A little about the historical and current problems of Pakistan, the analysis of which may be useful

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A little about the historical and current problems of Pakistan, the analysis of which may be useful

At the end of January next year, general elections are due to be held in Pakistan, which were called after the summer government crisis associated with the actual removal of Prime Minister I. Khan from the leadership of the country.

I. Khan is under arrest as a result of investigations into corruption schemes, and unless something extraordinary happens, he will have to forget about the elections for at least the next few years.



Corruption investigations are a traditional part of political competition in Pakistan. Some will say that this is some kind of disgrace, but considering history Pakistan and the way this competition took place in past years, one can say that such methods are even a kind of progress.

At least, the previous Prime Minister Sh. Sharif managed to prevent a planned provocation, as a result of which I. Khan could well change his status from accused to commemorated, and thereby preserve the political system in a relatively (albeit relatively) stable state.

The new configuration of forces will be determined in the elections, and in this configuration, like “in the good old days,” the military caste of Pakistan will once again build a balance between the elites behind the representatives of the Bhutto family (Sindh) and the elites behind the representatives of the Sharif family (Punjab) .

Another thing is that the old days are over and a balance will have to be built taking into account quite serious social changes that brought the electorate of I. Khan onto the Pakistani arena, as well as changes in the composition of the country’s army itself.

Both of these factors are significant not only for Pakistan - their analysis will help to draw more general conclusions that will be applicable to processes in other countries, including ours. This analysis can also provide good material for understanding how domestic elites and large political international projects interact.

Therefore, this study, although dedicated to Pakistan, aims to provide a broader overview than just Pakistan. It also develops some aspects raised in materials published at VO in August и May this year.

The recent history of Pakistan could partly become the basis for creating a modern textbook on political economy in its Marxist understanding. The division of India into Muslim Pakistan, and then the separation of Bangladesh, went side by side with the destruction of the late feudal economic system. Today, such maxims already look like an anachronism, but the very last thing the British Empire did was the industrialization of its colonies.

Accordingly, archaic forms of economic management persisted in these territories for quite a long time, while Pakistan in its central part historically had good conditions for the development of agriculture, as well as access to maritime trade.

Pakistan's legacy from this period was a clan-family approach to the formation of a political elite, relying on the main tribal groups of Sindh and Punjab. At the same time, Islam was even a kind of progressive factor. Islam did not free people from clanism, but it did free them from a more serious historical problem—casteism.

Economic development in the 1950-1960s started from a low base, was quite rapid by regional standards and inevitably led to the formation of, if not a middle class in the modern sense, then it added to the traditional elite families many new ones from various strata of society.

As in the Middle East as a whole, during this period society was imbued with a rather specific mixture of ideas of a socialist nature and various forms of the so-called. "political Islam". At this time, a term such as “Islamic socialism” appeared, which was understood differently from region to region and from movement to movement. But in essence it was a reflection of economic processes. Society gradually moved from the traditional “bazaar democracy” with a class hierarchy to an elective political system and party building.

The old elite has not disappeared anywhere, and its most prominent representatives in Pakistan were precisely the names of Bhutto and Sharif. Another thing is that now it was much more difficult to achieve legitimation, considerable efforts were required to ensure inclusivity in politics, and the problem of a third force arose in full force - the army, which overpowered everything else. Why it overpowered is also clear - the army was becoming truly massive and was also a cross-section of a changed society and changed relations in society.

As a result, the centers of representative democracy became the two already mentioned elite families, around which political forces and movements were mainly concentrated.

The Bhutto surname are descendants of Rajputs and the elite of Indian Gujarat, who later migrated to the modern Pakistani province of Sindh. Pakistan People's Party (PPP, English Pakistan People's Party) - moderate left, moderate Islamic conservatives, supporters of social reforms. Father B. Bhutto generally went to the elections under the slogans “Islam, democracy, socialism.”

The surname Sharif - descendants of Kashmiri Brahmins from the Bhat tribal confederation, who later moved to Punjab, informally bear the title of princes of the blood, equivalent to the status of "raja" or "nawab", which, however, is not disputed by anyone. In 1988, the broad party network of the Muslim League was reorganized into the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz party. Right-wing, pronounced Islamic conservatism, adherents of liberal views on economics.

In 1977, Benazir Bhutto's father (Prime Minister Z. Ali Bhutto) was arrested and then executed by M. Zia-ul-Haq, who effectively became the head of the state. Zia-ul-Haq is a general from the Arains, a Punjabi agricultural tribe that, like other confederations of this type, began to supply its representatives to politics and the army in the XNUMXth century.

But what could Zia ul-Haq rely on in terms of ideology when taking such public steps? Ali Bhutto was popular and the PPP had very good electoral support. A peculiar mixture of political and mystical Islam. How did the future military dictator learn about the “intrigues and crimes” of his predecessor? He had a “revelation from above.”

It’s not as if the general-dictator was much loved by the people; he was not at all liked in the United States, although they clearly did not regret much about the fate of the elder Bhutto. However, in general, the general theses of the Islamic conservative ideological agenda turned out to be quite important for society, and the United States needed a strong rear, since the USSR campaign in Afghanistan began.

We would call the theses with which Zia-ul-Haq came to power dense revanchism, and in general it was so - Pakistan as a whole was not yet ready for moderate political Islam. However, the very appearance in the highest political league of such characters as Zia-ul-Haq, and generals from not the most aristocratic families and status confederations, already reflected fundamental social changes.

Tribal elites with ancient roots, seriously respected and recognized in society, were forced to come to terms with the fact that the society of Pakistan was becoming different. The army was still largely drawn from Punjab and Sindh, but society became much more homogeneous.

However, M. Zia-ul-Haq still preferred to move the Punjabis along the military line rather than the Sindians, and in politics, in terms of working with the old elites, he logically relied on the Sharif clan. Over time, the Pakistani generals will take their financial toll on the clan elites, turning into a closed financial club, but they will no longer be able to ignore changes in society.

In the late 1980s, “enlightened Europe” sent the young talent I. Khan to Pakistan. And something tells me that he is sending not just for the excellent performances of the team in cricket competitions. M. Zia-ul-Haq and N. Sharif offer political cooperation to the young talent, and later places on party lists. But, apparently, I. Khan had consultants who suggested that he should refrain from cooperation for now, but should gradually go to the people with his theses in politics.

I. Khan is a native Pashtun, which, on the one hand, reflected the history of military operations in Afghanistan, where Pashtun tribal confederations were fully involved, but, on the other hand, the Pashtun politician, who was quickly gaining popularity, again reflected social changes in Pakistan society.

Z. Ali Bhutto is the social reality of the 1960-1970s, M. Zia-ul-Haq is the reality of the 1980s, the struggle of P. Musharraf and the generals with the name Bhutto is the reality of the 1990-2000s, but the political activity of I Khana - new social processes of the 2010s and to the present time.

In 1996, he formed a new political party, the Movement for Justice, and for quite a long period he essentially played for it as a single person. However, since the mid-2000s, his slogans: “Islamic socialism”, “Islamic democracy”, “fair ethnic representation” begin to shoot louder and further. Was this possible 20 years before? No. But I. Khan’s voter base has grown, and society has become even more homogeneous.

I. Khan began to gain popularity not only in the Pashtun region of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, but also in Balochistan, among the Baluchis of Sindh, and his popularity grew in Punjab. In fact, he became the opposition to both main political forces and the object of close attention of the Pakistani generals. But what do we see parallel to this process?

2018-2020 The national composition of the Pakistani army is actually close to the size of the main regions. People from Punjab make up 51% of the army, Baluchistan – 3%, Sindh – 16% and Khyber Pakhtunkhwa (where the so-called “tribal zone” is located) – 20%. And this composition took 7-8 years to develop. The Movement for Justice party shares first and second places in popularity, but its main electorate is people aged 25-35 years old who were born in modern times. This is not only a reflection of the homogenization of society, not only a conscious demand for “democratic” Islam, but also a generation with its own value structure, and it is generally quite liberal, although not in the modern fashionable Western version.

It is worth noting here that in the 1980s B. Bhutto herself intermarried with Baluchistan clans (A. Ali Zardari, Sindhi Baloch). You can’t command love, but the fact remains that on the one hand, Pashtuns are entering politics and at a high level, on the other, the Sindhis are strengthening ties with the Baluchis. The return of the Bhutto family name to power also brought her Baloch husband to the top of politics. Baluchistanis have never had problems with rich families, but today we are talking about very broad representation in all structures, and this gives rise to competition.

One more feature should be noted. If we look at media releases of past years, the first thing that Pakistan was hearing about was religious extremism and terrorism. However, it is parties and movements of a radical orientation that have practically not reaped the electoral harvest since the late 90s. The radicals speak out extremely loudly; the US campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan provide them with some basis for this. People can protest en masse against various forms of religious oppression and disrespect. However, when it comes to elections, fundamentalists no longer gain votes at all. And this is also a consequence of social changes.

Today, analysts are entirely focused on how the political forces behind Bhutto (the current Foreign Minister, Benazir’s son Bilal Bhutto) and behind Sh. Sharif will “technically” distribute votes in January. It is not for nothing that the current prime minister, the ethnic Baloch K. Anwaar-ul-Haq, was brought forward, and the province of Sindh was neatly divided into two parts. Attention is focused on how the generals will incorporate the Pashtun elite into politics, how the issues of the political seesaw between the United States and China, on which Pakistan has been moving for many years, will be agreed upon.

Often one has to look through materials where almost every step in Pakistan is defined through the confrontation between the United States and China, and the story of the resignation of I. Khan is cited as an example. However, it should be taken into account that although I. Khan is the “golden child” of the European elite, which is losing its subjectivity, in general Pakistan (like many other countries) mostly conducted its internal “squabbles” itself.

If the United States had a hand in giving the go-ahead for the removal of I. Khan, it was not at all for his anti-colonial rhetoric, which was of no interest to anyone in Washington, but for getting involved in the issues of recognizing the Taliban. Another thing is that this goes beyond the usual patterns in the media.

Neither the United States nor China have ever expressed anything more than pragmatism towards Pakistan; they preferred and still prefer to operate over a broader political geography. For example, Washington took an extremely pragmatic approach to the Zia-ul-Haq regime, and it was similar with the regimes of Musharraf and Bhutto. I. Khan, if he was annoying, was no more annoying than his predecessors.

B. Bhutto, of course, very vaguely hinted that the United States, which opposed primarily the Pakistani nuclear arsenal, could somehow be involved in the overthrow of her father. However, Washington opposed this arsenal both before them, and under them, and after them, and always acted harshly.

But what the United States was doing in the region in a very specific way was feeding fundamentalism, which they saw as a crowbar that could be used to move borders and regimes if necessary. And there was a kind of black logic in this, since the entire recent political history of the Middle East very well showed that moderate political Islam in development always moves “to the left,” somewhere towards socialist or quasi-socialist ideologies.

Therefore, no matter what they say in the United States, it is radicalism and fundamentalism that have been and will be traditional, albeit not obvious, traveling companions for American foreign policy. Al Qaeda (banned in the Russian Federation) openly called B. Bhutto an enemy, and W. Bin Laden did not even hide the fact that he allocated $10 million for her liquidation. When she was asked about this, B. Bhutto replied that

“They simply hide behind him, and we don’t see the faces of those who are behind him: they are always in the shadows. "Osama bin Laden is more the name of a large brand than of one person."

That is, the United States created an external force that loomed over every border and every regime in the region, but did not always go into clan politics in particular, did not keep its finger on every button and every trigger. Actually, this largely uncontrolled external force became fatal for B. Bhutto.

In general, if you look at it in detail, then a much more important question for the Pakistani elite is not how to technically “outsmart” I. Khan’s electorate, but what to offer this electorate in essence. Its number is growing every year, and this is not at all the same society divided by clans and tribal configurations. The theses “against the USA” or “against China” no longer help (which, by the way, I. Khan himself was already beginning to understand).

Geopolitics in Pakistan won’t get you very far, and Islamic conservatism won’t go far either; we need new meanings - not Western or Eastern, but our own - Pakistani. Of course, Islamabad is also doing something, for example, it has launched large-scale housing construction, but it, like in neighboring China (and not only in China), cannot boast of the same massive population.

A peculiar irony of fate is that the leader of his electorate - I. Khan - is already a completely different generation for him, although he is slowly losing relevant semantic threads, and the youngest politician - B. Bhutto - is essentially an organic part of the network elites and not very “in” for I. Khan’s electorate.

The Pakistani generals, the Pakistani elites, and those foreign policy forces who are considering relations with Pakistan for the future will have to deal with this historical collision. Whoever can develop new, relevant meanings and a relevant program will rule Pakistan for another couple of decades. Whether the Pakistani military elite understands this is a matter of question.

In Russia, it would be nice to analyze social changes in Pakistan, since there is something to think about, and the level of current economic development of this country should not be confusing - we are talking about very interesting social processes. And if we go even further, then the most far-sighted thing would be to keep our finger on the pulse in this country in such a way as to immediately “catch” the political force that will provide answers to current needs.

In the end, for some reason everyone is rushing to the Indian markets, which, due to the Indian economic model, are essentially closed for large-scale work, and the market of 240 million Pakistan, by the way, potentially more open and technically convenient, for some reason always falls out of fields of view.
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  1. 0
    27 November 2023 06: 16
    and the market of 240 million people in Pakistan, by the way, is potentially more open and technically convenient

    Are you going to sell weapons there? To further worsen relations with India, which is loyal to us?
    1. +2
      27 November 2023 06: 26
      We only hear about oil, gas and weapons. In fact, you can sell everything to a country of 240 million people, if only there was at least some of it. You can also compete for the Karachi-4 nuclear power plant; Canada did the first three.
      1. 0
        27 November 2023 07: 27
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        In a country of 240 million, you can actually sell everything

        Under one condition - this population of 240 million must be solvent...
        1. +1
          27 November 2023 07: 36
          Not really. The buyer must be solvent, and how the buyer will resolve the issue with the tax-paying population is a matter of the buyer’s interest and the buyer’s ability to communicate with the population. They can do it there. But, if without irony, then customers in Pakistan are solvent, well, certainly not lower than the level of Indians. In India, the general population lives no better, but here we somehow praise India, but Pakistan not so much wink
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            27 November 2023 07: 51
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            customers in Pakistan are solvent

            In order to buy, you need to at least sell something, and Pakistan's exports are simply ridiculous.

            And India is praised because there is good economic growth there, and the growth is not in the collection of tea or cinnamon, but in science-intensive and high-tech industries, such as electronics, mechanical engineering, biochemistry, etc. Now India, unlike Pakistan, is somewhat reminiscent of early China...
            1. +1
              27 November 2023 07: 58
              Growth is a relative concept, and in current realities it is essentially an accounting one. But that's not even the problem. India's trading model is such that you won't systematically sell anything there, there is growth there, there is no growth. And Pakistan may not be able to purchase tens of billions, but systematically and constantly. You will note that the more we talk about the fantastic volumes of trade in the “corridors”, the lower the real indicators of this trade. Because political goals and specifics are often different. The classic wrote "Less is better"
              1. -1
                27 November 2023 08: 10
                Quote: nikolaevskiy78
                India's trading model is such that you won't systematically sell anything there, there is growth there, there is no growth.

                India has a classical market economy, of course, with its own specifics. And if there is at least some growth, then there is also an increase in purchases to further increase growth, for example, of machine tools. The more it is produced, the more it is sold. And as a result, more people buy...
                1. +2
                  27 November 2023 08: 17
                  I just recently had an article about India. In analytics in the section dated 23.11/XNUMX
                  It doesn't work the way you write, unfortunately. Everything seems to be theoretically correct. But in reality, it’s usually somehow not as it really is.
                  There is such a country as Iraq, an interesting market, and there is such a country as Jordan - the market is tiny and in theory insolvent, the population is small, there is no industry, in theory there is no demand. Yes, only up to 1/5 of trade transactions with Iraq go through Jordan. Here is a solvent buyer wink
                  It’s the same with India, and with any market in fact. All the angels and demons are in detail.

                  By the way, the article was not really about trade, but about social changes in Pakistan, which are very close to us in essence. It’s just that this example makes it easier to analyze later in your own life. winked
            2. 0
              30 November 2023 16: 47
              In general, they have a very developed light industry; many brands are largely manufactured in Pakistan.
      2. +1
        27 November 2023 09: 32
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        We only hear about oil, gas and weapons

        So what else? After all, the main export pride of the country. Wheat, and nuclear technology...
        Russia would do well to analyze social changes in Pakistan

        It would be a good idea to analyze social changes first at home... Otherwise, the younger generation is as apolitical as possible for the most part. Although, apparently the elite here are quite happy with this.
        About trade: in order to seriously and for a long time conquer international markets, you need to have a very wide range of goods that must be of excellent quality and competitive in price, and for this you need a developed industry, and not in single top copies, but in mass, in dozens thousands of modern enterprises. If you trade, then with a wide range of products, since individual positions will be unstable and politically almost useless. It was possible to supply a lot of domestic goods to Pakistan, from dishes and furniture, to corrugated sheets and construction mixtures, from shoes and tools to seed material, fertilizers and household chemicals... And food products are generally our so far unrealized Klondike, together with the USA and Brazil we could become eternal food export monopolists in the World...
        1. +2
          27 November 2023 09: 46
          Sometimes it is more difficult and inconvenient to analyze yourself than to see what similar things are happening in others. Pakistan is a region that we pay little attention to. But in vain.
          As for trade, you are right, but industry rarely develops itself. Our not best feature is that the quality for the domestic market often comes with large tolerances. This is where export helps to correct these nuances in many ways. But with abnormal loans this is unrealistic.
          I’ll give you an example: once there was a price negotiation with the Arabs, a friend decided to break down our pricing and entered the cost of loans. I tried to influence, but he was persistent wink
          As a result, the Arabs looked and said that we were either stupid, or we were “strange people,” since such prices do not exist. Money in the world is not worth that much, period. And if in Russia they cost that much, then this is not the buyer’s problem. The comrade was indignant, but in vain, it was simply not worth discussing it at all.
          1. +2
            27 November 2023 09: 57
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            not the best feature is that quality for the domestic market often comes with large tolerances

            This is not “not the best”, but a real problem, and a long-standing one that was somehow “treated” only by Stalin’s methods.
            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            Sometimes it’s more difficult and inconvenient to analyze yourself

            It’s always more difficult and inconvenient at home, but it’s more correct tactically and strategically, because often comparing the same German or Japanese with a Russian or Turkmen is like looking for something common in two stars of different galaxies...

            Quote: nikolaevskiy78
            But with abnormal loans this is unrealistic.

            Absolutely agree. It seems that domestic economic policy, in a very strange way, persistently wants to drive itself into the coffin with loan interest...
    2. 0
      28 November 2023 19: 52
      Question to the author - why does the Russian Federation need a country that sells weapons to Ukraine and is on the verge of default, with an unstable political situation? At the same time supporting anti-Russian sanctions
      Do you want to build ANOTHER gas pipeline? Have nowhere to put the pipes? We quickly forget Afghanistan, in particular the Badaber camp.
      I would have understood when Imran Khan was prime minister and not a protege of the Anglo-Saxons.
      Are we glad that the rake wasn't stolen?
  2. +2
    27 November 2023 06: 27
    and the market of 240 million people in Pakistan, by the way, is potentially more open and technically convenient
    Trade pork there? Russia, according to statistics, is among the top 5 global producers. It won’t work with chickens, we ourselves rely on foreign technologies. Except for galoshes to walk on sand, those that are lying around somewhere, but we don’t produce them either. And the rest of them are Chinese, even the weapons
    1. +1
      27 November 2023 06: 32
      Copper cable can be supplied. A joint plant would be better, but while the Chinese Xinhai MP EPC is building its own copper plant there, they can also supply galoshes laughing
  3. +1
    27 November 2023 08: 07
    What should you bring to Pakistan? Is it possible that metal, if any, goes to metallurgical plants that were built under the USSR? Fur, you can also have lingonberries, cranberries smile
    1. +1
      27 November 2023 08: 11
      Fertilizers at a minimum, feed, copper cable and more. To dig up a treasure, you need to start digging through the product range as usual. But the state needs to institutionally support these things.
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        27 November 2023 09: 12
        Fertilizers as a minimum, feed, copper cable
        Roughly speaking, do we produce raw materials and what are we producing cheaply from raw materials? We have the fifth-largest GDP in the world.. Let’s bombard Pakistan with goods..
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          27 November 2023 09: 16
          Fertilizers and feed are no longer raw materials after all laughing
          Construction materials can be supplied, reinforcement, beams, protective compounds, basalt materials. The question here is how to lend a hand and how the relatives will support you.
          1. +1
            27 November 2023 10: 29
            Construction materials can be supplied, reinforcement, beams, protective compounds, basalt materials.
            Oh, God, it’s not good for us. Pakistan needs to be supplied with something it cannot live without. To have economic dependence. But you can’t tie it down with building materials, reinforcement, beams, protective compounds, basalt materials.
            1. +1
              27 November 2023 11: 14
              Quote: kor1vet1974
              Pakistan needs to be supplied with something it cannot live without. To have economic dependence. But you can’t tie it down with building materials, reinforcement, beams, protective compounds, basalt materials.

              I don't agree with you. You don’t think that we can’t survive without Chinese socks and fountain pens, toys and toothbrushes, but nevertheless... A few years ago, the Americans “discovered” with horror that China only gave them children’s toys worth $19 billion a year sends... Trade expansion is “expansion” because it must be massive, then it brings gigantic profits, then it goes beyond the scope of the economy and becomes a serious political factor. Is it possible to get a comparable effect by limiting yourself to one or three positions, even if they are “irreplaceable”? And do they exist - irreplaceable...?
              1. +2
                27 November 2023 12: 45
                Perhaps, in total, this should be something that one can refuse and something that one cannot refuse. But the worst thing that we can supply to Pakistan is that it lacks a little.
  4. +1
    27 November 2023 11: 23
    pronounced Islamic conservatism, adherents of liberal views on economics

    I’m wondering how Islamic conservatism and a liberal economy based solely on interest rates, deeply condemned in the Koran, fit in one head? what
    1. 0
      27 November 2023 11: 38
      In principle they fit fine. Anyone who doesn’t like an interest-bearing loan enters into an agreement with a structure that belongs to the bank under the share of a joint venture or under a loan into the authorized capital with annuity payments. There are other forms too.
  5. -4
    27 November 2023 15: 53
    Glory to the Russian Federation!! Glory to Israel!!!
  6. 0
    28 November 2023 12: 03
    Pakistan inherited from this period a clan-family approach to the formation of the political elite
    Well, not as clan-family as in the USA, of course, but also medieval) In general, the political forces that move our world are so backward and dense that you are simply amazed. Especially if you were born in the only country of the future on the planet, although it shamefully collapsed into the past.
    The question, as everywhere in the world, is in people. And not in clans and families, but in ordinary people who get up in the morning and slowly go to work to earn something for themselves and their family for dinner. People are "corrupted" by too much information. That is, they no longer agree to a stale cake, they began to believe that they have the right to live as people, and not as draft animals. Remember, the rotten grandfather Brzezinski complained that people had become too wise? Here you go...
    And this is the huge problem of the current reality. How can people get out of poverty? What path does capitalism offer us? Very simple. To become rich, you need to plunder something. If you take a close look at any “success story” of classical capitalism, you will inevitably find robbery and murder. A few people managed to offer the market a fundamentally new product, such as some kind of program (and there are plenty of stories where one made a program, and another one licked off a billion from it), all the other millions of rich people are robbers and murderers.
    There is simply no other way. Moreover, in order to get rich as quickly as possible, it is necessary to seize positions in the state, because the capitalist state was invented for the most effective robbery. And what's the result? Given modern advances in weapons, the world, and Pakistan along with it, is heading towards collapse, when gangs armed with the latest technology grind their own states into the desert. Here in Pakistan they cut each other, cheerfully and cheerfully. despite the efforts of individuals who understand the impasse to prevent “unnecessary” deaths. So the self-appointed leaders recruit entire armies of people who want to grab at least something from their position, joining in the destruction and robbery.
    Damn, this is a dead end and death, lui!
    1. +1
      28 November 2023 16: 45
      Yes, it's a dead end. But how was this impasse created by the clan systems of Pakistan? Iran? No. The Pakistani military is of course involved in foreign trade. They participate, but there is a certain nuance. The fact is that in Pakistan, with all clans, castes, surnames included in the share. And we are assigned a share. If your speed is above XXX, then you are simply assigned a share. No one will look at documents or reports. Everyone doesn't care..., you just have to live XXX. You can even dance a hopak, or even walk in a squat - XXX. And a man with the eyes of a whippoorwill will look at you with your expenses, problems, difficulties, to whom nothing matters at all.
      And in Pakistan, even the generals are involved in reports, participate, and interact. Here's the problem. It is simply impossible to work with us technically, because our elites are, in quotes, perceived as pretta - hungry ghosts who will never get enough. Never until they devour everything under their feet.
      1. 0
        29 November 2023 10: 33
        Quote: nikolaevskiy78
        But how was this impasse created by the clan systems of Pakistan? Iran?

        Of course no! It’s like this all over the planet) Stupid, dense, shamefully stupid...
    2. 0
      28 November 2023 17: 09
      In general, what is the article about? wink
      The society of distant Pakistan has changed so much that the all-powerful generals are now forced to generate meanings, otherwise...
      And among us, who is there looking at what is under the Chief Katehon, the Great Contemplator of visions of the future, the Master of Strategy, the Seer's plans and the birds of the sky, who are looking at the fact that two generations of other people have already grown up.
      1. 0
        29 November 2023 10: 42
        What is “different” about these people? What, a “new man” was born? From what? Did this happen because all the media and all other means of attack on consciousness, starting with school programs, are trying to flatten the brains of all people, introducing into them, under pressure, attitudes towards consumption and uncritical acceptance of any advertising techniques? After all, other than this, no one does anything for a person! Maybe the “free” Internet is the spring in everything? Go crazy, how free!
        A device purchased with hard-earned money for logging into the network itself collects (for which, by the way, most of its cost was spent) data on its user, which it sends to those who generate brain-breaking messages. What the still not completely broken media were trumpeting about... and no one really understood why they tried to slightly pinch Zuckerberg)
        Is this the work on a new person?) Or maybe it was all done by relatively free access to information? Hehe... But in general, everything is correct. A poor Arab has access to advertising and watches as Americans throw away in the trash every day what would be enough for his family for a year. And yes, the Arab has “renewed” and wants it that way too. “Meanings” were flying around, yeah, the newest ones...
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          29 November 2023 14: 14
          Well, not exactly, but two maxims can be clearly seen in the situation in Pakistan. The first is Marxist, about being, which determines consciousness, and the second, much more ancient, is Pythagorean, when consciousness “returns” the received energy into being in the form of new meanings. And they are new, because the perception of being is new. You are completely in vain putting meanings in quotation marks. You even look at the picture with one eye at 15, another at 25, and 50 years old. You read differently because you comprehend everything differently. And here we are talking about arrays of such perception. For years now, under the guise of traditionalism, we have been pushing Gnostic constructions and thinking that they are for the good. But it must be different, because the very perception of good is already different.
          About the "updated" Arabs. The political system there is such that our democracy is not even close to their political process. Not all Arabistans are monarchical)) by the way, you can even make a separate material on this topic if there is interest.
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            30 November 2023 08: 32
            There are more maxims in Pakistan. According to the number of those guys who are able to gather and arm a crowd of people. These people believe that as a commander this chieftain will lead them to a position where they can plunder. And the chieftain has some gold reserves, which allows him to feed and arm this crowd before it starts.
            And there are people who would like to be dragged out into the streets in order to do business under their cover. In general, you can usually get money if there is already someone behind you. The question is among the people. Previously, simple religious provocations worked well. Now it’s no longer the case - people seem to have wised up and are not ready to lay down their heads en masse in religious “disputes.” Everyone suddenly wants some kind of profit.
            Everyone has seen enough TV and monitors that show that you can actually work less and still get radically more. Therefore, the cries of “For Shiism!!”, “For Sunnism!!” are losing popularity. Gradually, but inevitably. New reality, yeah. Now we need to promise the people real food. And this is a huge problem.
            Where can I get food? Power-hungry scum, ready to do absolutely anything to seize power, have a certain set of personal qualities. And people who are able to organize enough food in the state also have a certain set of these same qualities. The trouble is that these sets of qualities and personality traits do not coincide at all!
            People capable of Great Creation are not at all eager for power. They are well aware (they generally have a huge mind, they are aware of a lot of things) what kind of hellish plowing this is. Therefore, in our country, among humanity, brainless, but cunning, vile, treacherous, power-hungry people who are absolutely unfit to govern always come to power. That's why everything collapses over and over again.
            Since things are boiling in Pakistan, we need to choose those from whom we can make some profit before this mess of theirs leads unfortunate Pakistan to collapse. This is Pythagoreanism, panimaisch...
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    1 December 2023 19: 36
    Imran Khan's base is the urban lower middle class who have a sense of their social identity regardless of their ethnic or regional origin. This is truly a new phenomenon for Pakistan. Previously, only belonging to the army gave a sense of common supranational corporate Pakistani solidarity. Imran Khan turned this around by accomplishing the seemingly impossible , so it’s too early to write him off. But even if he becomes prime minister, the military will always stand behind with weapons at the ready, for them he will forever be a stranger.
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      2 December 2023 19: 17
      Yes, that's exactly what I wanted to reflect. As for write-offs, his age does not keep up with social changes, but this is a purely personal opinion