Expedition to the ancestors. And we finished our campaign on the Pacific Ocean

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Expedition to the ancestors. And we finished our campaign on the Pacific Ocean
Model of an authentic Hawaiian double-hull canoe. Work by Francis Pimmel


There is space ahead for Atea
(Atea - spirit of space),
On the sides are paths for Atea,
And behind there is a path for the wind.
O Tanya, you who reign over the vastness,
Bewitch them, O Tanya!

Song of the Polynesian sailors

Migrants and migrations. So we've been delving into this for quite some time now. history ancient migrants and migrations and found out that our ancestors at all times were... big restless people. As soon as they took off, on foot, in chariots drawn by horses, on carts drawn by oxen, and simply on horseback, they went somewhere far away from their native places, to where there was still plenty of uninhabited space.



If these lands were uninhabited, then it was a gift of fate. And if not, then they had to fight for new places to settle and pastures for livestock. People walked through deserts, between giant glaciers, just to... find the promised land, where there are no other people and you can live to your heart's content, without fear of any strangers. So people are xenophobic by nature? It may very well be! In any case, it was not for nothing that they came up with the saying that “hell is others”!

But they walked and walked and... came to the seashore. There was no further way, but this did not stop people. They built boats and rafts and moved further along the water, hoping that blessed land would certainly await them ahead.

And so today let’s get acquainted with how exactly such a huge expanse of water as the Pacific Ocean was populated. Let's take a break from land migrations and look at the most impressive development of the island territory of its vast expanses in the history of people.


One of the Bishop Museum stands with models of Polynesian ships

Brave New World in the Southeast


And it so happened that 50 years ago, when Tasmania, Australia and New Guinea formed another whole, people began to penetrate this Southern continent for the first time. Moreover, in order to move here from Southeast Asia, they needed to make at least one long sea crossing. And it is obvious that they did it. Otherwise people wouldn't be here!

Well, having moved to this new continent for them, they encountered an amazing world, stretching from the tropics in the north to the quite temperate climate of the south. Some of the edible plants they encountered were similar to Asian ones, but the animals amazed their imagination. In addition to the species that have survived to this day, now extinct giant creatures also lived here: kangaroos three meters tall, herbivores the size of hippopotamuses, marsupial lions and huge flightless birds.

Australia in the Pleistocene


Despite the wealth of land resources, the settlers' main attention was drawn to rivers and the sea coast with an abundance of fish and edible invertebrates. So the first settlements appeared in these places. Moreover, today most of them are inaccessible to archaeologists, since with rising sea levels they ended up in a shelf zone, flooded by the sea. The concentration of finds in south-eastern Australia is the result of increased attention paid to this region by archaeologists.


Map: Australia in the Pleistocene

The Pleistocene inhabitants of Australia used ocher for complex rock art and laid the foundation for the rich and still thriving Aboriginal art. The first rough axes belong to the Australian tradition of core-shaped (nucleus-shaped) tools. It changed little for 40 years and dominated the entire continent, although there were regional features reflecting connections with New Guinea and Southeast Asia.

Aboriginal life


About 5000 years ago, sea levels rose to modern levels, and although the Aborigines still lived near the coast, they also developed an interest in inland resources. During this era, finely crafted tools made from small flint flakes, which were attached to a wooden base, appeared on the continent.

The political, economic and religious development of the Aborigines formed about 500 tribal territories with a population of over 750 people by the time the first European colony appeared at the end of the 000th century. Although the main occupations remained gathering and hunting (real agriculture never developed), the Australians adapted perfectly to environmental conditions.

In the deserts, small groups of nomads used land covering thousands of square miles, and in more resource-rich regions there were permanent settlements. The natives caught fish using traps, contributed to the restoration of edible grasses and root crops, and used controlled fires, which stimulated the growth of new vegetation that attracted game birds.


Catamaran from the Cook Islands. Work by Francis Pimmel

New Guinea


This island was inhabited at the same time as Australia. In the north of the island, archaeologists excavated a settlement at least 40 years old (the time it was buried by volcanic ash), and people appeared on New Ireland about 000 years ago.

Finds in the mountains in the north-west of New Guinea indicate its dense population already in the 6000th millennium BC. e. About XNUMX years ago, major changes occurred in the economy associated with the use of Asian cultivated plants and domestic animals. At the same time, the drainage of the swamps for crops began.

But with all this, it turned out that gathering and hunting still complement local agriculture, although... spaceships have been plowing the expanses of the Universe for a long time.


Model of a wakashiu sailing canoe with a balance beam from Kapingamaran

Farther to the East!


The settlement of island Melanesia (east of New Guinea) occurred mainly in the 1300nd–XNUMXst millennia BC. e. groups of sailors who carried livestock and seed with them. These Austronesians, who had characteristic Lapita-style pottery (possibly originating in the Moluccas), reached by XNUMX BC. e. Fiji in eastern Melanesia, and soon moved to Eastern Polynesia through the archipelagos of Tonga and Samoa.


Samoan double-hulled canoe. Work by Francis Pimmel

It was on these two archipelagos (especially the last) that the typically Melanesian material culture gradually transformed into Polynesian over more than 1000 years of geographic isolation.

Around 150 BC BC, when Lapita pottery disappeared throughout insular Melanesia and Western Polynesia, the Samoans reached the Marquesas Islands in their boats. After a pause, around 400 AD. BC, the Austronesians arrived in Hawaii, as well as on Easter Island, where they subsequently created a very distinctive and impressive culture.

The remaining major archipelagos of Polynesia, including New Zealand, were settled mainly from Tonga and Samoa or from the Society Islands and Marquesas Islands in 750–1300. These “microcosms” lost in the ocean gave rise to many more or less original cultures that were practically destroyed by European colonization in the XNUMXth–XNUMXth centuries.


Lapita pottery from Vanuatu, Port Vila Museum

Cool New Zealand


The cool climate, large size, and unique flora and fauna of New Zealand created a number of specific problems for the first Polynesian settlers. Most of the plants and animals they brought were unable to adapt to the new conditions. Dogs have taken root well, and the crops (almost exclusively on Severny Island) are taro, yams and sweet potatoes.

But here lived a real delicacy - giant flightless birds, of which moa (dinornis) are best known. This is how the first colonists (Maori) became peasant hunters, nomadic in accordance with the changing seasons. Permanent settlements remained mainly along the coast, where people were engaged in fishing.

In the following centuries, the coastal population began to increase rapidly, but on Yuzhny Island the resources of the interior regions were also intensively used.

Hunting and burning of forests gradually changed the nature of the islands, which in the XII-XIV centuries. led to severe deforestation of the territory and the almost complete extinction of large flightless birds. At the same time, the classical Maori culture came to replace the Polynesian ancestral culture.

Military affairs began to develop especially rapidly, and specific fortified settlements – “pa” – began to grow everywhere. Early European explorers, including Cook, estimated the native population of both islands at about 150. Hunting continued to play an important role in their economy, and the southern half of South Island did not know agriculture due to the cool climate.

European colonization quickly led to the Maori Wars, and British victory pushed the unique indigenous culture to the margins of New Zealand history.


Legend has it that more than 120 ships of this type were built by King Kamehameha I around 1796 to conquer Kauai. Francis Pimmel model

From island to island!


Most of the large archipelagos of Melanesia and Western Polynesia were inhabited in the last two millennia by Lapita pottery speakers.

During 1 years of isolation in Tonga and Samoa, a distinctive material culture developed, which in about 000 penetrated from there to Eastern Polynesia. In 400–400 colonists from these archipelagos, loading double-hulled and single-hulled boats with a balance beam with seed and livestock, reached almost all the islands of the Polynesian Triangle.

The development of all areas of our planet suitable for human life has been completed!


Interestingly, some of these ships even had... cannons, which, along with gunpowder and cannonballs, were received from the Europeans in exchange for sandalwood! Francis Pimmel model

PS


The author and administration of the site express their gratitude to Francis Pimmel for providing photographs of his models of Polynesian ships.

To be continued ...
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  1. +5
    26 November 2023 04: 54
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    I got stuck on the word “nucleus-shaped”. So I’m thinking - why call a fragment of stone so?
    1. +5
      26 November 2023 06: 47
      Cheerful morning Sergey and Pavel, good morning Comrades!
      I join in with the kind words (three times the word is kind, probably also good).
      The boat models are simply amazing - master Franciso Pimmelo has the golden hands. Thanks again!
      1. +4
        26 November 2023 07: 08
        Good morning Vladislav!

        I return to the pictures to admire.
        A special world.
        1. +4
          26 November 2023 13: 18
          Just a little bit - they took off and... went somewhere far away from their native places, to where there was plenty of uninhabited space.

          I will assume that people fled from states, from the arbitrariness of officials. But then the new civilization became infected with statehood, and while there was somewhere to go, someone moved again, seeking refuge from the new generation of officials
    2. +9
      26 November 2023 07: 06
      In general, such stones are usually called nucleus... No translation.
      1. +6
        26 November 2023 07: 09
        Yes. And even the sound is different.
        As in Tupolev: “A beautiful plane will fly.”
      2. +9
        26 November 2023 07: 35
        Quote: paul3390
        such stones are called nucleus

        Nucleos, in Russian simply, nucleus. Hence the word "nucleus-like". Non-literary machine translation
    3. +8
      26 November 2023 11: 45
      I got stuck on the word “nucleus-shaped”.
      This is a medical term (in the first person) used for dysentery patients in an infectious diseases hospital.
      1. +5
        26 November 2023 15: 46
        These are philological delights.
        They weren't looking for the core there.
    4. +5
      26 November 2023 17: 23
      Well, it’s like nuclear-shaped, only nuclear-shaped, what’s so incomprehensible?
      So there are disc-shaped cores made in the typical Levallois technique. Known since Mousterian (these are Neanderthals), in some places it survived until the Upper Paleolithic. The gumber culture is in Australia, and even then they are rare there.

      But yes, the Australian stone industry remained at this level for 40 years. There is not a word here about the fact that over 000-8 thousand years they degraded from the level of industries of archaic continental sapiens to industries of the level of erectus, and in some places habilis (to pebble choppers).

      Well, yes, it’s just a regression in the field of technology for creating tools in almost a million years, what nonsense. Nucleus-shaped cores are a million years old - no hindrance; they are eternal and unchanging.
  2. +13
    26 November 2023 06: 12
    According to modern data, the Lapita culture seems to come all the way from Taiwan... What is striking is that they couldn’t sit at home? And how, with the means of navigation of that time, is it possible to populate islands about which you know nothing and which are at least a thousand kilometers from yours?

    Although - in the last century, one of the Polynesians, who still remembered how to do this, sailed a yacht 2500 km without a compass, etc. I missed the target by 60 kilometers, figured it out myself and corrected the course. After which he said that his grandfather would be very upset to see such a hack job by his grandson... So, it seems like we don’t know a lot about the abilities of our distant ancestors...
    1. +7
      26 November 2023 07: 08
      Quote: paul3390
      Why weren’t they sitting at home? And just like with the navigation aids of that time, you can populate islands that you know nothing about and that are at least a thousand kilometers away

      What didn't Columbus or Cabot stay at home? Why the hell did the Vikings, who reached all the way to Newfoundland, go thousands of kilometers from their home? Why did the Carthaginians sail so far into the Atlantic, reaching as far as the Canary and Azores Islands? And their means of navigation were also not very good... wink
      1. +8
        26 November 2023 08: 43
        Well - firstly, compared to the Polynesians, this was all considered coastal swimming. Secondly, apart from Leif, the rest are purely commercial events with an obvious purpose. Thirdly, they all had at least some idea of ​​what was ahead - like there was some kind of land.
        1. +7
          26 November 2023 08: 59
          Quote: paul3390
          it was all just a coaster swim

          1000 miles from the Pyrenees and 600 from the West Coast of Africa is Madeira! Wow cabotage! And the Azores and even further...
          1. +5
            26 November 2023 09: 29
            Compared to Rapa Nui or Hawaii - of course, cabotage.
            1. +6
              26 November 2023 11: 05
              Quote: paul3390
              Compared to Rapa Nui or Hawaii - of course cabotage

              In the heat of our argument, we missed one point - according to an as yet unproven theory, earlier Polynesia could well have been a continent or a large island, just as Chukotka and Alaska were once connected to each other. Then the answer immediately appears...
              1. +1
                27 November 2023 18: 47
                Of course not. Polynesia was settled in a completely historical time, when there was no talk of any Polynesian continent.
      2. +6
        26 November 2023 11: 48
        What didn't Columbus or Cabot stay at home?
        I don’t know anything about Columbus, but Bellingshausen at one time was very tired of the ballerina Istomina (Pushkin also sang her praises), and went to discover Antarctica. Perhaps Columbus and Cabot also had someone from the world of art who forced them to sail to the ends of the world.
        1. +6
          26 November 2023 11: 56
          Columbus definitely had one, but not from the world of art. Isabella the Catholic was her name. laughing
          Good day, Sergey!
          1. +3
            26 November 2023 13: 45
            Good afternoon, Anton! Was it he who begged her for funds for an expedition for Indian spices, which he hoped to deliver to Spain from the back passage (crossed out)?
            1. +3
              26 November 2023 15: 24
              He begged a lot from people, but only the Spanish crown gave him money.
        2. +5
          26 November 2023 16: 35
          Quote: Aviator_
          Perhaps Columbus and Cabot also had someone from the world of art who forced them to sail to the ends of the world

          These two most likely had someone from the world of purity... smile
      3. +7
        26 November 2023 14: 34
        Quote: Luminman
        What didn't Columbus or Cabot stay at home?
        I wanted to eat. Seriously.
        Quote: Luminman
        Why the hell did the Vikings go thousands of kilometers from their home?
        They also wanted to eat for prey.
        And these ones left the tropical paradise. How's heaven? There was someone there to devour. True, it worked both ways.
    2. +5
      26 November 2023 10: 08
      Although - in the last century, one of the Polynesians, who still remembered how to do this, sailed a yacht 2500 km without a compass, etc.

      Since 1973, there has been a Polynesian Voyaging Society - the Polynesian Travel Society. He is studying ancient Polynesian navigation methods.
      In 1976, Micronesian Mau Piailug navigated the canoe Hōkūleʻa from Hawaii to Tahiti (2600 miles) using exclusively traditional navigation methods. Since then, the Polynesian Voyaging Society has been organizing such expeditions regularly. In 2014, Hōkūleʻa set off on a round-the-world expedition, which was successfully completed in 2017. During the expedition, the canoe traveled 40 miles.
      On the island of Tuamako, a school teaching traditional navigation methods still exists today.



      This is a navigation manual for US Air Force pilots flying over the Pacific Ocean. Written in 1943 by Australian pilot Harold Gatti. It outlines the basics of Polynesian navigation. By the way, since 2015, celestial navigation has been returned to pilot training in the United States.
      1. +4
        26 November 2023 11: 13
        Quote: Dekabrist
        Celestial navigation was returned to pilot training in the United States.

        Due to too much enthusiasm for satellite navigation, we completely forgot about the old and proven ancient method. Now celestial navigation is used as a backup method in case of failure of electronic devices...
        1. ANB
          +3
          27 November 2023 14: 21
          . Now celestial navigation is used as a backup method in case of failure of electronic devices...

          I wonder if anyone else remembers how to do this?
          In addition to the sextant, you also need an MAE, an accurate chronometer and the ability to count. We also had special forms.
          In practice, I died at the sextant stage. There was no way to really land the star on the horizon when it was pitching. And even then, I only tried Betelgeuse.
      2. +5
        26 November 2023 12: 58
        basics of Polynesian navigation

        As far as I've read, the basics of Polynesian navigation are a very clearly developed scale of the behavior of waves in the ocean, observations of the color of the sky and clouds that change over the islands, the stars of course, well - and the sacred pumpkin. A vessel with several holes into which water is poured for horizontal alignment, and then the height above the horizon of the corresponding star is determined.

        Somehow, I have strong doubts that all this can be taught to a naval aviation pilot... And in the NZ they can stick a sacred pumpkin...
        1. -1
          26 November 2023 15: 48
          Somehow I have strong doubts that all this can be taught to a naval aviation pilot...

          All your doubts are purely from ignorance. That is, you have the vaguest ideas about Polynesian navigation. The joke about the pumpkin confirms this.
          1. +3
            26 November 2023 16: 47
            And you - as I understand it, are the same specimen that piloted the yacht across half the ocean? And is your knowledge broad and deep? So share, don't be embarrassed..

            As for the joke, you don’t know, but you’d like to puff out your cheeks. Pumpkin is a very real object. Two holes at the same level so that the water poured inside allows you to see through them how level the pumpkin is held. And - two other holes, one to look at, and the other - where a certain star should appear at the desired latitude. As we can see, if you try to think about it and not torment the keyboard in vain, it’s quite a working design. So to speak - a primitive sextant. If you don’t believe me, at least look through Harold Gatty at your leisure. He wrote a lot about Polynesian navigation, including navigation.
            1. +4
              26 November 2023 19: 11
              And is your knowledge broad and deep?

              There is some width and depth. And even getting to know the issue directly on the scene.
              So share, don't be embarrassed..

              Yes, I’m just sharing, I’m not embarrassed.
              If you don’t believe me, at least look through Harold Gatty at your leisure.

              Have you scrolled through? Judging by the belief in pumpkin, they didn’t leaf through it. Do you advise others? And be rude to strangers, although you are the one puffing out your cheeks and torturing the “clave”.
              You can easily verify this by flipping through this book at your leisure to page 485. Although you can read from the beginning. The book is very interesting.


    3. +8
      26 November 2023 12: 05
      What’s amazing is that they couldn’t sit at home? .

      It seems that everyone has forgotten about our conversations about the “Bottleneck”...
      Many times I have come across the opinion of experts on the Internet that serious trauma, physical or mental, changes a person’s genetics. I’m not an expert, I don’t remember the details, but it is stated that before the injury he is one person, after the injury he is different, although he seems the same. And if the injury was received before he conceived a child, then the conceived child will be as if from a changed father or a changed mother. He will no longer be the same as his father or mother or both were before the injury.
      There were terrible cataclysms - glaciation from the North, a titanic volcanic eruption in Africa, or somewhere else, but such that darkness fell in many human habitats. And people fled - to warmer climes, or to where a clearing was visible on the horizon. Waves of refugees under the blows of nature followed one after another. Some died, some survived. The enormous stress of running changed the genetics of the survivor, imbuing the body with the idea that a serious cataclysm requires a serious run to far away - to where it is safer, light and nourishing. Over time, a change of this kind - I agree, is not inherent in everyone, but only in the most active individuals, in our time called passionaries - such a change in human nature has grown into a respected and necessary custom, allowing one to survive when there are opportunities to explore unknown spaces. Sending your passionaries ahead in advance.
      But history is made by everyone - both those who are not passionate and remain in the same place, and those for whom traveling to distant lands is colored with a romantic flair of unprecedented opportunities.
      Now planet Earth is densely populated and there seem to be no special natural disasters. But the run continues.
      Hmmm ...

      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich! hi
      1. +5
        26 November 2023 13: 31
        Quote: depressant
        But the run continues.

        What interesting thoughts come to you!
        1. +2
          26 November 2023 13: 45
          If we put these thoughts into the softest form, then in developed countries the desire for “running” inherent in people is now expressed in the form of mass tourism, in overcoming the ocean expanses on a boat alone, in climbing inaccessible peaks, in ski trips to the North and the South Pole, in a dive into some terrible ocean depression, etc. I don’t want to talk about anything else, relevant, forced.
          1. +7
            26 November 2023 14: 54
            then in developed countries the desire for “running” inherent in people is now expressed in the form of mass tourism, in overcoming the ocean expanses on a boat alone, in climbing inaccessible peaks, in ski trips to the North and South Poles, in immersing in some some creepy ocean depression, etc.
            Lyudmila Yakovlevna, in fact, the bulk of the population at all times, excluding the period of the existence of the USSR. engaged in basic survival. And hiking is the result of a calm, prosperous life. Re-read Dreiser's "An American Tragedy". There, the main character is constantly trying to half-rise to the highest level of society, and at this level the golden youth of the USA goes on hikes, just as we all began to go in the USSR.
          2. +8
            26 November 2023 15: 29
            in overcoming the ocean expanses on a boat alone,
            "Fyodor Konyukhov's dog hides under the bed and whines pitifully when its owner calls it for a walk."
            Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
            1. +4
              26 November 2023 17: 34
              Hello, Anton! I am glad to see you, as well as all our other comrades. I started going to the forums rarely, the “History” section was a joy, now something is depressing, the atmosphere seems to be thickening, getting dark, the joy is gone - winter! No, no, and I look into the sky to see if there is any clearing.
              1. +2
                26 November 2023 18: 00
                I started visiting forums rarely,
                You are not alone, Lyudmila Yakovlevna. From our St. Petersburg historical get-together, I appear on the forum more or less constantly, and sometimes with breaks of 3-4-5 days. It’s just that the authors stopped offering interesting topics for discussion, and the circle of communication has shifted to reality.
              2. +1
                26 November 2023 19: 37
                something is bothering me right now,

                Contingent. Ignorance and aggressiveness prevail.
                1. +2
                  26 November 2023 20: 10
                  The resource is degrading, and rapidly.
    4. +6
      26 November 2023 17: 35
      Well, naturally, the author did not notice the elephant (although it floats on the surface), but the beginning of a really tough Polynesian expansion coincides with a similar expansion of the Scandinavians. The same 3-5 centuries AD.

      The climate on a planetary scale has moved, the Roman climatic optimum has ended. And not only in the Mediterranean, there is a planetary scale. It's getting colder. And if so, then crop yields have fallen, and the risks of obtaining the usual harvests have increased. So everyone who could was carried away by sea, in search of new sources of food.
      1. +3
        26 November 2023 21: 10
        Quote: AllBiBek
        with a similar expansion of the Scandinavians. The same 3-5 centuries AD.

        Did the Viking expansion begin at this time? Isn't this the 8th century? June 8, 793 AD e. The Vikings landed on the island of Lindisfarne in Northumbria, destroying and devastating the monastery of St. Cuthberta.
  3. +2
    26 November 2023 07: 16
    The article does not answer the main question - what forced ancient man to migrate.
    There aren’t even any assumptions!
    And so, yes, beautiful models of boats and nothing more.
    The author writes about 500 tribes in Australia, but this is the opinion of Europeans, and what do the aborigines themselves think about this?
    The divisions are conditional.
    1. +3
      26 November 2023 07: 24
      Quote: ee2100
      do the aborigines themselves think?

      It will be necessary to fly there to them sometime in my spare time, hire Crocodile Dundee as a guide and find out everything.
      1. +2
        26 November 2023 11: 57
        I called a friend in Australia. I hope he calls back and I will voice his answer to this question
        1. +3
          26 November 2023 13: 22
          Quote: ee2100
          I called a friend in Australia. I hope he calls back and I will voice his answer to this question


          It is unlikely that anyone will answer this question for you. Australia was developed by convicts who had little interest in the life of the Aborigines. To develop new territories, a controlled fire was used, followed by the settlers. Due to Australia's low water supply, the consequences of such fires were catastrophic. Few people were interested in whether there were Aboriginal tribes in the forests that were set on fire.
        2. +2
          26 November 2023 13: 32
          Quote: ee2100
          I called a friend in Australia. I hope he calls back and I will voice his answer to this question

          If only all issues could be resolved this way!
    2. +3
      26 November 2023 07: 26
      Quote: ee2100
      The article does not answer the main question - what forced ancient man to migrate.

      This question was not asked in the article. The fact was stated. And if there is no question, there is no answer. But even if there was, no one knows the exact answer. There was a combination of reasons. Even personal ones.
      1. +1
        27 November 2023 19: 11
        no one knows the exact answer

        Yes, but, for example, we know in general terms what forced the Greeks to settle throughout the Mediterranean and Black Sea, what forced some of the Phoenicians to move to Africa, and we can fully imagine why the Polynesians in historical times rushed to search for new lands. Most likely, the same reasons motivated the bearers of the Lapita culture. Polynesians, by the way, remember their ancestral home, the legendary Hawaii. Some scientists believe that this is Java, from where the ancient Austronesians sailed to New Guinea, Micronesia, Polynesia, and... Madagascar.
    3. +3
      26 November 2023 07: 30
      Quote: ee2100
      The article does not answer the main question - what made ancient man migrate?

      Neither individual researchers nor entire research institutes can answer this question.

      Quote: ee2100
      There aren’t even any assumptions!

      Judging by the number of dissertations on this topic, there are more than enough assumptions wink
      1. +5
        26 November 2023 08: 04
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        number of dissertations on this topic

        It will be possible to write a separate material on them, but this is already closer to the end of the series.
      2. +4
        26 November 2023 12: 01
        We know from our experience that people migrate because of economic problems or war.
        Let the respected authors express their point of view on this issue
        1. +4
          26 November 2023 12: 10
          We know from our experience that people migrate because of economic problems or war.
          Or by court decision.
          "We will send a dozen or two ships,
          And there will be a colony in Botany Bay!"
          Hi Sasha!
        2. +4
          26 November 2023 13: 27
          Quote: ee2100
          We know from our experience that people migrate because of economic problems or war.
          Let the respected authors express their point of view on this issue

          Good day Alexander. I think everything is simpler: any process of moving an individual is connected with the banal “you want to eat in the fall”!!!
          The rest, even procreation, war, etc. etc. This is only on a full stomach.
          1. +6
            26 November 2023 13: 51
            ...any process of moving an individual is associated with the banal “you want to eat in the fall”!!!

            Vlad... It's funny, but I would add: sometimes you just want to stay alive.
            1. +3
              27 November 2023 01: 48
              Vlad... It's funny, but I would add: sometimes you just want to stay alive.

              It looks like others really, really want to bite!
              Goodnight hi
        3. +5
          26 November 2023 17: 46
          Yes, there is exactly one reason. The climate optimum has ended and it has gotten colder.
          Economics is at the forefront there. Productivity has become unpredictable.
          And the ocean is here, and they knew how to use watercraft.
          That's all.

          The Polynesian expansion is akin to the Scandinavian, and here and there - farmers come by sea, with a verified supply of crops that they know how to grow, and animals that they have tamed.
          What survived on the spot became the main one.
          In Greenland, sheep and goats did not take root, but for some reason cows did. So they built an economy around cows.
          In Iceland, on the contrary, it was best for the sheep.
          While the progenitor culture had a pig as its main domestic animal.
          It’s the same with the Polynesians, the ancestors of the Maori swam to the NZ with pigs and dogs, but without chickens, and only chickens and rats swam to Easter Island, the latter unplanned.
        4. +1
          27 November 2023 16: 14
          Quote: ee2100
          We know from our experience that people migrate because of economic problems or war.
          Let the respected authors express their point of view on this issue

          If people feel good, they have multiplied, war begins, massacres, you need to migrate, if it becomes bad for climatic reasons, you also need to migrate, and if it’s busy, again war, massacres, you can, of course, invent agriculture, cattle breeding, but this is one time, and then again , war and massacre. You can invent tractors and combines, but they can’t keep up, and again the war is a massacre.
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      26 November 2023 17: 41
      There are not tribes there, there are tribal groups, 4 of them, and all from different waves of settlement of Australia: it was settled at intervals of 3-4 thousand years from different directions, and all the newcomers extremely quickly degraded from such an abundance of unafraid game.

      The topic is very interesting, in fact.

      Well, I wrote above what made the Lapita move and exactly move.

      That’s how they started with the presence of a very developed bronze foundry industry, and Lapita itself - google what it looks like - this is the minimum level of developed antiquity, just why is it all on the islands? There is often not even clay there; where does it come from on the atolls? I’m generally silent about copper and tin. But there was enough basalt, obsidian, and tuff.
      And, there was ingenuity and extremely developed agricultural technologies, the best in the world at that time. Cover the sweet potatoes with black pebbles so that the soil is not blown away by the wind, and at night the heated stone gives off heat to the fruit - how do you like that? And they have dozens of such techniques.
      No one in Europe ever dreamed of this.
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    26 November 2023 08: 32

    It was difficult for them without a compass, metal, ceramics, looms, writing, salt, etc. And yet, they covered such vast distances, beating both the Vikings and the Portuguese
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    26 November 2023 09: 36
    How the islands of the Pacific Ocean were settled is written in the book “Sailors of the Sunrise”, it is available on free resources on the Internet.
    The only thing is that it’s 80% ethnography, but it’s worth reading.
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      26 November 2023 10: 37
      Quote: Not the fighter
      but it's worth reading

      Undoubtedly. I read it...
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    5 January 2024 12: 27
    Yes, the topic is interesting! Heyergal dealt with this problem. He made many interesting conclusions.
    For example, the boats that crossed the Indian Ocean were made of reeds.
    The migration of people (Papuans, Denisovans, Dravidians, Ainu, Mariori, Maori, etc.) took place south to Australia and other places, from Africa and Asia.