Historian about the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940: It was inevitable

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Historian about the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940: It was inevitable

The Finnish-Soviet War or Winter War, which lasted from November 30, 1939 to March 12, 1940, although it lasted just over three months, was extremely fierce and resulted in huge losses for the warring parties.

Thus, according to data from open sources, the irretrievable losses of the Red Army amounted to about 95 thousand people. The Finns lost about 25 thousand military personnel. At the same time, Finland, as a result of the Moscow Peace Treaty, ceded 10% of its territories to the USSR.



Meanwhile, according to Russian historian Vladimir Baryshnikov, relations between the Soviet Union and Finland before the start of the Winter War could not be called antagonistic. At the same time, as the expert put it, war was inevitable.

There was a reason that left the Soviet military-political leadership no choice but to forcibly move the Finnish border away from Leningrad. The thing is that, despite the scandalous secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, where Germany allegedly gives up the sphere of influence in Finland to the USSR, in reality everything was different.

According to the historian, Germany played a key role in the formation of Finland as an independent state. Moreover, it was German troops who struck the Reds in the rear during the Finnish Civil War of 1918. As a result, the Finnish state, according to the expert, was created according to German patterns, and Germany had enormous influence there. As Baryshnikov put it, the only thing that Berlin failed to do was create a monarchy in Finland and place “its own king” on the throne.

However, the latter was not so important. According to the expert, until 1943, when Helsinki began to admit the defeat of the Third Reich in World War II, Finland’s policy was based on the fact that the country acted as an outpost protecting the West from communism.

Naturally, the USSR understood this and considered Finland as a springboard for a likely attack by Germany or the Western coalition on the Soviet Union. That is why, during negotiations in October-November 1939, Finland was offered to transfer to the Soviet Union territories in a 50-km zone from Leningrad, a number of islands in the Gulf of Finland, lease the Hanko Peninsula for a Soviet naval base and documentarily guarantee Finland’s non-entry into the hostile USSR coalition. In return, the country would receive twice the territory in Eastern Karelia.

Meanwhile, negotiations between Moscow and Helsinki failed, making confrontation inevitable. At the same time, Baryshnikov confirmed the version of most historians that the incident in Maynila was more likely a provocation, but not a reason for war.

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  1. +3
    22 November 2023 11: 32
    Historian about the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940: It was inevitable
    . Some conflicts cannot be avoided because... there is more than one reason.
    1. -2
      22 November 2023 11: 39
      It’s the same bullshit with the bloomers, only we lost 9 years and they got it
    2. +2
      22 November 2023 11: 47
      Quote: rocket757
      Historian about the Soviet-Finnish war of 1939-1940: It was inevitable
      . Some conflicts cannot be avoided because... there is more than one reason.

      Any conflict can be avoided. At least this is how the tribunal responded to Goering’s justification about the supposed inevitability of war with the USSR, and that it was preventive.
      1. -3
        22 November 2023 11: 50
        Quote from Escariot
        Any conflict can be avoided.

        pure bullshit, no, of course you can stand in a knee-elbow position and endure, as it were, the same option for avoiding conflict
        1. +2
          22 November 2023 11: 52
          Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
          Quote from Escariot
          Any conflict can be avoided.

          pure bullshit, no, of course you can stand in a knee-elbow position and endure, as it were, the same option for avoiding conflict

          Tell this to the judges of the Nuremberg Tribunal.
          1. -3
            22 November 2023 11: 54
            Quote from Escariot
            Tell this to the judges of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

            Yes, I don’t really care about the judges of Nuremberg, sorry, they came up with a lot of crap to please the West
            a simple example, you are walking with a girl in a dark alley, a gopot pesters you, like give me money, clarify HOW you will avoid conflict
            1. +1
              22 November 2023 12: 37
              Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
              Quote from Escariot
              Tell this to the judges of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

              Yes, I don’t really care about the judges of Nuremberg, sorry, they came up with a lot of crap to please the West
              a simple example, you are walking with a girl in a dark alley, a gopot pesters you, like give me money, clarify HOW you will avoid conflict

              Boyish analogies won't work here. The judge of the Nuremberg Tribunal dismissed the argument about the “inevitability of war.” Or do you question the conclusions of the Nuremberg Tribunal?
              1. -1
                22 November 2023 17: 02
                Quote from Escariot
                Or do you question the conclusions of the Nuremberg Tribunal?
                Nuremberg judges refused to recognize the SS as a criminal organization, I question this
                and yes, the Second World War was inevitable, it was prepared for a long time and persistently
                1. +1
                  22 November 2023 20: 19
                  Why was the SS recognized as a criminal organization?!!!!
                  this is something new
              2. -1
                22 November 2023 17: 05
                Quote from Escariot
                Boyish analogies won't work here

                and what do boys’ analogies have to do with it?!!!
                Give options for preventing WWII?!
          2. +2
            22 November 2023 12: 04
            It would also be nice for you Jews to be tried for Palestine at the Nuremberg Tribunal. You are so eager to get there. bully this is for Iscariot.
          3. 0
            26 November 2023 10: 58
            Quote from Escariot
            Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
            Quote from Escariot
            Any conflict can be avoided.

            pure bullshit, no, of course you can stand in a knee-elbow position and endure, as it were, the same option for avoiding conflict

            Tell this to the judges of the Nuremberg Tribunal.

            Theoretically it is possible. Practically no.
    3. +2
      22 November 2023 11: 48
      Finland actively participated in preparations for the war against the USSR, long before the beginning of the Soviet-Finnish War, and its relationship with Nazi Germany was much more friendly and partner-like than it actually seems.
      And by the way, the same project of “Great Finland”, with the rejection of Karelia, part of the Murmansk and Leningrad regions of the USSR, was born not after the winter campaign, but much earlier.
    4. 0
      22 November 2023 12: 06
      The West was able to unite all anti-Soviet forces abroad, from the White Guards to left-wing anarchists.
      One of the leaders, in terms of ideology, was Trotsky.
      Moreover, in the Finnish concentration camps the treatment was much more powerful and sophisticated than later among the Nazis.
      It’s just that the state “from a royal test tube” imagines itself to be Great. Like a number of others that appeared as a result of the Russian-Turkish war or the collapse of the Republic of Ingushetia.
  2. 0
    22 November 2023 11: 46
    The losses of the Soviet army were greater in that war. Many times higher than the Finnish losses.
    1. 0
      22 November 2023 11: 51
      Quote from new.ad
      The losses of the Soviet army were greater in that war.

      do you disagree with the announced losses?
      give your numbers
      and the option “Baba Yaga against” is already tiring
      1. +3
        22 November 2023 12: 55
        is it written differently in the article? not at times? or is this not true?
    2. +3
      23 November 2023 05: 02
      And when storming fortresses and fortified areas, losses should be 3-4 times greater. For example, during the assault on Port Arthur, the Japanese had losses of 4:1. And to this day they are proud of their victory.
      Mentally normal people never have complexes about their victories.
      This is more of a deviation...

      The problem is not losing too much to win. They are compensated over time because victory brings rewards. . The problem is abnormal monsters who, after decades of peacetime, turn victories into defeats. And if society cannot resist such eccentrics, it will die even after winning the war. On the contrary, normal ones will survive their defeat.
      1. 0
        23 November 2023 09: 14
        And when storming fortresses and fortified areas, losses should be 3-4 times greater
        - what fortified areas or fortresses were stormed by our troops in South Lemetti? On the Raat road? To Suomussalmi?
  3. 0
    17 December 2023 19: 37
    The most important victory of the USSR. They moved the border away from St. Petersburg, punched the White Finns, and in fact the Nazis, on the nose, gained combat experience in the winter war, and gained new lands.
  4. +1
    8 January 2024 16: 36
    If you refuse the imposed war through humiliation, then you will receive both war and humiliation. Therefore, the Finnish war and the Northern Military District according to this formula are good.