Russia and Vietnam: modern relations with a country that owes its sovereignty to the USSR

Vietnam's war for its independence began in 1858 and continued until the end of the XNUMXth century. Naturally, the above-mentioned period included several stages that smoothly transitioned from one to another. At the same time, the Soviet Union played an important role for this Asian country in key of these stages.

The USSR began supporting Vietnam in 1923, when on June 30 Ho Chi Minh arrived in Soviet Russia to exchange experiences within the framework of the Comintern.

It is worth noting that the training received by Vietnamese patriots in the Soviet Union allowed them to create the foundations of a new regime, which ultimately was able to break first the French colonial and then the American neocolonial regimes.

In addition, the USSR supported its Asian ally with weapons during periods of hot conflict, and in times of peace with food and other goods.

As a result, the country was able to defend its sovereignty and create a system that exists in Vietnam to this day. By the way, today Vietnam is a rapidly and dynamically developing economy. From 1990 to 2022, the average GDP growth rate of this country was 7% per year.

Meanwhile, despite the colossal contribution of the Soviet Union to the acquisition of sovereignty by Vietnam, relations between Hanoi and Moscow today can hardly be called developed or friendly, which is a serious flaw in the foreign policies of both states.

For example, as of 2021, Vietnam’s trade turnover with the United States and China amounted to $165,9 and $111 billion, respectively. At the same time, this figure with Russia reached only 7,1 billion.

Vietnam and Russia today cooperate in the energy, oil and gas industries and military-technical spheres. However, the concrete content of relations between our countries is not as great as it could be, given the contribution made by the USSR to Vietnam’s defense of its sovereignty.

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[rocket757]

Russia and Vietnam: modern relations with a country that owes its sovereignty to the USSR

What's the key here???
Russia is far from the USSR!
Legal succession... in general, is not something that can be attracted or something like that, more reliable arguments are needed!

[Stas157]

Quote: rocket757

What's the key here???
Russia is far from the USSR!

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam no longer felt obliged to the capitalists who came to power in the Russian Federation. But the Russian Federation didn’t really need Vietnam. They even left the base!

In 2001, the Russian leadership decided not to renew the agreement with Vietnam and evacuate the base ahead of schedule. On October 17, 2001, President Vladimir Putin announced at a meeting at the Ministry of Defense the liquidation of military bases in Lourdes and Cam Ranh

May 4, 2002 was the last day of Russia's military presence in Vietnam. And in 2010, the Russian government stated that Russia does not need Cam Ranh as a military base, but it is interested in using part of the infrastructure of the former base as a logistics support point for the Russian fleet.

[Escariot]

After the end of the Vietnam War, this same communist Vietnam immediately grappled with Maoist China for primacy in Indochina. And the USSR supported him for a long time according to the principle: the enemy of my enemy is my friend. However, in 1991, the USSR ended and Vietnam was left alone with China. The forces were clearly unequal and Vietnam found itself a new “roof” in the form of the United States. Whoever remembers the old is out of sight. China oppressed Vietnam here and now, and the descendants of Ho Chi Minh City had to forget about old disagreements with the capitalists, especially since the capitalists began to provide real assistance in strengthening the defense capability of Vietnam, as well as helping economically. Now Vietnam is one of the important parts of the anti-Chinese belt. But the Russian Federation is very far away, and Vietnam has nothing special to offer now.

[Alex Nevs]

This means that the question of .... Sovereignty will soon arise again. Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia...etc.

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Alex Nevs

This means that the question of .... Sovereignty will soon arise again. Libya, Iraq, Yugoslavia...etc.

Why is this USA? This is their important ally in the war with the PRC.

[Sergej1972]

But then what about the gigantic trade turnover between Vietnam and China?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Sergej1972

But then what about the gigantic trade turnover between Vietnam and China?

Vietnam exports twice as much to the US

[Sergej1972]

But China is also one of Vietnam’s leading partners. By the way, despite territorial differences, the PRC and Vietnam regularly exchange party-state delegations.

[cpls22]

Quote from Escariot

Now Vietnam is one of the important parts of the anti-Chinese belt. .

It seems they are even going to rivet chips there. Shouldn't it be in exchange for Taiwan... As an emergency option.

[Escariot]

Quote from cpls22

Quote from Escariot

Now Vietnam is one of the important parts of the anti-Chinese belt. .

It seems they are even going to rivet chips there. Shouldn't it be in exchange for Taiwan... As an emergency option.

Anything is possible, but all the main high-tech is located in Taiwan, but low-end technologies will be exported to Vietnam to begin with.

[cast iron]

So Vietnam gave a light to the PRC army at one time. So much so that the Chinese retreated back abroad.

[Escariot]

Quote: cast iron

So Vietnam gave a light to the PRC army at one time. So much so that the Chinese retreated back abroad.

“Gave me a light” is not quite the correct expression. It was a battle between two disabled people, at least that’s how Soviet advisers described it. In the end, the Chinese were able to push back the Vietnamese troops and inflict several local defeats on the enemy, but strategically they were unable to help the Maoist Kampuchea, which was also at war with Vietnam.

[Pavel57]

They wrote off Vietnam's debt without any special obligations to cooperate.

[ivan2022]

Quote: Pavel57

They wrote off Vietnam's debt without any special obligations to cooperate.

Behind all the “stupid” debt write-offs there are specific beneficiaries in the government.
As one of Saltykov-Shchedrin’s heroes said: “In Russia, even a pimple just won’t pop up without being scratched!”

[Stas157]

Quote: ivan2022

Behind all the “stupid” debt write-offs there are specific beneficiaries in the government.

It looks like it. After all, without benefits, writing off debts would be simply madness. Therefore, writing off can be characterized by a simple question: madness or crime?

[Feodor13]

We delivered 3 Cheetahs (Project 1166) to Vietnam. And they could continue the series. They were interested. It was in the press. It was even possible to register “Dagestan” or “Tatarstan” on the principle of lease (like a nuclear submarine with India), with subsequent sale. Fortunately, there are no serious threats in the Caspian Sea for such a flagship to be there and its brother.

And now - that’s it... the train has left, and our “Cheetahs” are already inferior to the “Buyans” - “Karakurts” in power, and the Vietnamese ordered a batch of their neighbors from the Dutch..

Clients need to be cherished and supported. Well, to hell with geopolitics, at least you need to manage the life cycle of your fleet units, reduce the costs of the zoo... For some reason I don’t see such a policy among the Moscow Region and ROE.

[Lina Shuvalova]

The comprador power - anti-Soviet liberals and Russophobes - have always been interested in one thing - to enter the Western party of British-American billionaires! As Mr. Putin lamented: “We are our own, we are bourgeois!” Putin forgives debts to Africa, destroying the state-forming Russian people! Vietnam apparently cannot give anything to Putin’s Russophobic bourgeoisie.

[Escariot]

Quote: Lina Shuvalova

The comprador power - anti-Soviet liberals and Russophobes - have always been interested in one thing - to enter the Western party of British-American billionaires! As Mr. Putin lamented: “We are our own, we are bourgeois!” Putin forgives debts to Africa, destroying the state-forming Russian people! Vietnam apparently cannot give anything to Putin’s Russophobic bourgeoisie.

So this was of interest not only to the comprador authorities, but also to the majority of Russian citizens. Everyone wanted jeans, chewing gum, a foreign car, etc. And all this was achieved around the year 2007. But then people also wanted great power, without giving up jeans.

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from Escariot

But then people also wanted great power, without giving up jeans.

I don’t remember that I or my friends wanted exactly this in 2007.. at that time, all of us - about 30 - were thinking about housing for a family first of all.. so I don’t know who exactly there wanted this sharply - among My friends weren't like that...

[guest]

modern relations with a country that owes its sovereignty to the USSR

Well, many countries owe their sovereignty to us, but gratitude from most of them, to put it mildly, is zero.

[Kmon]

This is fine. We also don’t like to remember to whom we owed what.

[cast iron]

Nobody likes to remember that they are deeply indebted to someone.

[Stas157]

Quote: guest

Well, many countries owe their sovereignty to us, but gratitude from most of them, to put it mildly, is zero.

They were so grateful to the USSR. The USSR simply no longer exists.

[AdAstra]

"Russia and Vietnam: modern relations with a country that owes its sovereignty to the USSR"
That’s right, that the USSR is a socialist world superpower that has remained in the past, and not a modern capital third world country, which is the Russian Federation. And what country has such relations, even write about succession with God in the constitution.

[runway-1]

For example, as of 2021, Vietnam’s trade turnover with the United States and China amounted to $165,9 and $111 billion, respectively. At the same time, this figure with Russia reached only 7,1 billion.

Well, the questions should probably be not so much about Vietnam, but about Russia...

[Yaroslav Tekkel]

For example, as of 2021, Vietnam’s trade turnover with the United States and China amounted to $165,9 and $111 billion, respectively. At the same time, this figure with Russia reached only 7,1 billion.

Well, the difference between the economies of the Russian Federation and the United States/China also looks impressive.

[Kmon]

The USSR yes, but Vietnam does not owe anything to Russia.

[cast iron]

Russia betrayed communism and chose the capitalist path of “development.” Therefore, communist Vietnam owes her nothing. And in general, the concept of “should” in politics is very shaky and relative.

[Vrotkompot]

As a person who was involved in international sales of Russian telecommunications equipment, I can say that Vietnam is very positive about cooperation with the Russian Federation. The same military and other security forces were actively interested in our developments with the aim of replacing Chinese equipment. The same cannot be said, for example, about Poland and the Czech Republic. Those, as soon as they find out that you are from the Russian Federation, simply begin to criticize Putin with foam at the mouth - hahaha.