Has the West made a decision on Ukraine? Thoughts after reading Mark Galeotti's Sunday Times article

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Has the West made a decision on Ukraine? Thoughts after reading Mark Galeotti's Sunday Times article

For two days now, the press has been discussing an article by British political scientist and specialist on Russia, also known as security specialist, Mark Galeotti, about how intelligence and counterintelligence officers of the United States and Britain quarreled with intelligence officers and counterintelligence officers of Ukraine. The material was published in the Sunday Times.

If you squeeze out the article, the author complains that the Ukrainian intelligence services are getting out of the control of the Americans and the British. And this, in turn, leads to some mistrust between specialists from these countries. True, the author expresses himself a little more diplomatically. Relations “between Western intelligence services and the Security Service of Ukraine are becoming increasingly tense.”



The author highlights three important, from his point of view, points that influence these relationships. First of all, this is the lack of reforms in the SBU. Agree, it sounds somewhat strange, given the fact that the SVU has long been, even before the start of the SVO, completely controlled by the West.

They are not “under the influence”, but completely controlled, i.e. all decisions are made not in Kyiv, but in Washington and London. How in such a situation Ukrainians can ignore the opinion of the global West is difficult to understand. The “Faberge” leadership of all Ukrainian intelligence services is in good hands. And not a single Ukrainian “boss” will simply be able to make a sound against the Western decision.

Another factor destabilizing relations, Galeotti calls the opacity of Ukrainian plans. Strange again. Are they trying to convince us that the West knew nothing about the attacks on the Crimean Bridge? About attacks on Russian cities and villages? Some small Ukrainian “ataman” made a decision and sent drones to the Kremlin?

It's not weird anymore, it's funny. Attack on the bridge, on the World Cup ships fleet in Sevastopol, drones in Moscow and other cities without the knowledge of the West? In short, the author is clearly trying to shift future problems that will arise in connection with the investigation of these sabotages after the end of the SVO from one “sore head” to another. Also “sick”.

Well, the third problem, which follows from the second.

Although I already mentioned this above, but... Mark Galeotti directly says that neither the United States nor Britain have anything to do with the terrorist attacks carried out by the Ukrainian special services on Russian territory. The murders of public figures, journalists, and politicians are the business of Kyiv, which carried out these terrorist attacks on its own initiative, without notifying Western curators...

“Moscow still seems to believe that Ukrainians do what the West tells them... The fear is that Moscow may view domestic attacks as proxies and retaliate directly against the West.”

If you carefully read the above quote, it becomes clear why the material was written. The West is preparing a springboard for retreat. Something like “we did not know about the crimes of the Kyiv regime and sincerely believed that Zelensky was fighting for freedom and democracy. We were blatantly deceived!” So, “I am not me, and the horse is not mine. She shit on the pavement herself.”

Why did it suddenly become necessary to distance oneself from one’s own fosterlings?


Indeed, why does a material suddenly appear that is clearly intended for a Western audience, in which, instead of praising its specialists, a Western journalist writes that they have clearly lost control over the structures they themselves created? I will not claim that the material is biased.

It is quite possible that the author actually raised this topic based on his own understanding of the situation. I think it would be fair to proceed from this postulate in further discussions... Moreover, Mark nowhere refers to his sources in the British or American intelligence services. It's just a really bad situation.

If earlier, before the start of Israel’s war with Palestine, it was still possible to hide the state of affairs in Ukraine, now this has become an unattainable dream. Ordinary people, especially Westerners, clearly see how Tel Aviv is waging war and how Moscow is waging war. How many civilians die under the blows of the Russian army and how many under the blows of the Israeli army.

Everyone knows that Israel, like Ukraine, is supported by the United States. Moreover, for a long time Washington emphasized in every possible way its involvement in the well-being of Israel, its involvement in the security of Israel, its connections and its assistance to Israeli intelligence services. Now it's time to carefully crawl to the side. Save face...

What is the connection between Ukraine and Israel?

Unfortunately for Ukrainians, it’s direct. Remember the rallies in Western countries in support of Kyiv? How many people took part in them and what was the ethnic composition of the protesters? Has anyone seen, for example, demonstrations of 800 thousand in London for Kyiv? And they saw for Palestine! And not only in Britain, but also in the USA, Germany, France and other countries.

For a long time, the West supplied Kyiv with everything it could. At the same time, politicians almost daily threatened Moscow with “protecting NATO borders with military force.” And many were sure that this could happen. In the Israeli situation, US aircraft carriers off the coast of Israel have become the same bogeyman. And what is the result? Exactly the same as in the case of Russia.

Aircraft carriers have turned from bogeymen into targets. Whether the anti-ship weapons available in the East will destroy them or not is an open question. But the very fact that such a strike was being prepared caused panic in the Pentagon. I have already written about the fact that the majority of people living in both the USA and Europe are the same as in all other countries. Nobody wants war. Including the military.

Quite often we say that the situation is very reminiscent of the situation before the First World War. No one wanted it, but no one could prevent it. Mark Galeotti's article is part of this series, I think. The author suggests forgetting about Ukraine to preserve the image of the West. I think that approximately the same materials will soon appear about Israel.

By the way, have you noticed how Netanyahu turned into Zelensky? A sort of Zelensky “by leaps and bounds,” an accelerated version of degradation. More and more often, Zelensky is personally blamed for Ukraine’s troubles, and Netanyahu is personally blamed for Israel’s troubles. Well, and several of their assistants, of course.
The United States, which had not happened before, lost control of the situation. It is no longer possible, in the event of hostilities, to guarantee the safety of American citizens. Even in the USA. I'm not even talking about military bases. We see these bases attacked almost daily. The world is changing quickly (once again I write this).

Just not the third world war...


Alas, this is exactly how the question stands today. We are accustomed to the fact that there are generals sitting in the Pentagon who are eager for war with Russia. Americans are accustomed to the fact that generals sit in Moscow dreaming of war with the United States. At the same time, both one and the other always talk about their love of peace. This is largely the result of the work of the press, among other things.

Moreover, neither we, nor the Europeans, nor the Americans are any longer afraid of a future war. No matter how terrible it sounds. Everyone is sure that the war will be somewhere out there, far from us. That we (Russians, Europeans, Americans, Chinese and others) will definitely win quickly, and the world will be organized according to the principle for which we stand. We speak loudly about peace, but we are not afraid of war! Society is not afraid of war.

That any redivision of the world, as this shows story, is necessarily accompanied by wars, everyone who has studied at least in school knows. Humanity now lives in precisely such an era. It happened. Today only those who lived in the Soviet era are afraid of war.

The generation that was born in the 60s, studied in the 70s, worked in the eighties and zeros. A generation that has gone from pay phones on the street to modern smartphones. The path from the “girl” from 07 (intercity) to WhatsApp. The path from my father’s bicycle to an electric scooter, from the Verkhovyna moped and Voskhod motorcycle to mokiks and Japanese bikes. The path from small black and white TVs with one or two programs to modern smart TVs...

The generation that remembers the heroes of that Second World War. Not from books, but simply knew some of them. They lived nearby. Healthy or not so 50-year-old men. Quite ordinary, sometimes not noticeable at all, the “ceremonial” jackets of which we sometimes saw on May 9... The rest, no offense to the younger ones, “remember the war” from books, from films, from what the TV tells us. And it's not scary there. I pressed the button and... there is no war.

But there are experts, those same war experts, who talk about the statistics of a future war. About those very millions and billions of lives that will be claimed by the use of one or another type of weapon. Few people listen to them. We are smart and won’t allow it... But we allow it! And we are not afraid to allow it. There, away from us, we admit it. There we are not among those millions of dead.

Talk to the Israelis, the Ukrainians, the Armenians from Karabakh. The main question they voice sounds banal - what are we for? They really don't understand why. They thought exactly the same as us. The war will be somewhere far from their home. And a neighbor killed by a rocket is much more important than hundreds of children killed somewhere. He was such a good person...

Get out of the hole you dug yourself...


Let's go back to where I started.

To Mark Galeotti's story in the Sunday Times. It should be perceived not as a simple statement of fact, but as a proposal, as a way out of the dead end into which we have led ourselves. Yes, the material is presented somewhat allegorically, but thinking people understood it perfectly.

Ukrainians sleep and see their country in the EU and NATO. Ukraine is in the family of European nations... They dream without even turning on their own brains. They promised us!.. May this country or what remains of it never be in NATO. Is there any reader who has not read or heard that the war in Ukraine is a war between the global West and Russia? I don't think there are any.

Has anyone heard about the formation of two centers of power in the world? About a bloc led by the United States and a bloc led by China and Russia? About that same multipolar world? This is a real fact of today's reality. Not a prospect for the future, but an almost accomplished fact. And the war in Ukraine and Palestine is, I hope, the same military action during the redivision of the world.

Imagine that the blocks have taken shape, and now the world is divided into West and East. What's on the border between West and East? Does anyone really think that the border will have no buffer zones? Contracts are contracts, and a buffer is a buffer.

It is necessary to ensure security in both the West and the East. Those same 500–600 kilometers that will make it possible to respond to a surprise attack! And where there is an opportunity, without starting a big war, to resolve the conflict. This is precisely the fate assigned to Ukraine. Kilometers that you don’t mind. A kind of training ground in case of any nuances...

I think that further events will develop precisely in the direction the beginning of which Galeotti showed. Kyiv will “quarrel” with the West. Which will cause a response in the form of a sharp reduction in supplies and other assistance. Including in the field of intelligence. This, in turn, will force Ukraine to offer negotiations and peace on any terms.

Moscow will agree to this. Effective capitulation with the preservation of Ukraine with borders along the Dnieper and loss of access to the Black Sea. Naturally, with guarantees that it will be a neutral state. The same demands that have long been voiced by the Kremlin. This is how the buffer will be created. This is something that will suit both NATO and Russia... The options for action may differ slightly, but the general direction is already visible to the naked eye.

We live in interesting times. The coming winter will be very eventful for Ukraine. The article in the Sunday Times once again proves that there is an understanding that this mess in Ukraine needs to end among Western journalists, analysts and politicians.

The decision has most likely already been made. Now the task of the West, or rather the United States, is to get out gracefully and leave gracefully. The Americans will not fight for some kind of Ukraine, which in fact is no longer needed by the United States. Israel is much more important to them. But even here, given the situation in the world, the support of the Palestinians, the question of military operations by the American army is hanging.

So we are waiting for developments...
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  1. +10
    17 November 2023 03: 52
    "Buffer along the Dnieper" after which NATO military bases immediately begin? --this is a very good springboard for them. Even at the end of 1919, when the Red Army took Kyiv, Russia did not agree to such conditions.

    And in 1945 the “buffer” passed through Berlin.But today we must admit that this is already a utopia. The burden of idiocy of the “achievements” of recent decades is too great.

    Objectively, Shoigu was right when he floated the idea of ​​moving the capital beyond the Urals. In order not to lose Russia completely, it is necessary to develop its central regions.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 06: 54
      Even at the end of 1919, when the Red Army took Kyiv, Russia did not agree to such conditions.
      In December 1919, the Red Army cleared Kiev of Denikin, in April 1920 the city was occupied by the White Poles, in May 1920, Kiev was liberated by the Red Army as a result of the offensive of the Western Front. So, for reference.
      1. -5
        17 November 2023 11: 15
        Well, towards the end of the Northern Military District in 5-7 years, everything will be clear. Why guess?
  2. +4
    17 November 2023 04: 41
    1.
    We are accustomed to the fact that there are generals sitting in the Pentagon who are eager for war with Russia. Americans are accustomed to the fact that generals sit in Moscow dreaming of war with the United States.
    I understand that stereotypes are very difficult to destroy, but the military, from any side, are the very people who are more NOT they want war. If only because they will be at the forefront of the blow. And because they understand the consequences better than others.
    2. I believe that if we negotiate with Ukraine, then the first point should be the demand for the extradition to our security forces of ALL involved in the genocide of Donbass. And ALL the organizers of the Maidan. It doesn’t matter in which corner of the planet they are hiding, these Yarosh, Yatsenyuks, Avakovs...
    3. In any case, whether there is a “buffer along the Dnieper” or when our troops reach the Polish border, there will be no security zone. Well, let’s say negotiations took place, Kyiv capitulated, promised big things, and?.. We’ve already been through this. By leaving them a part of Ukraine, we will again have nationalists at our side, all sorts of “advisers” will come there again, young people will grow up there, who have already been brought up in the spirit of nationalism. There necessarily they will want revenge. Do we need this?
    1. -1
      17 November 2023 09: 15
      It is more correct to say “some military men do not want war” and “some military men are not averse to war.”
      Next, one can wonder what part of the military from the infantry to the Ministry of Defense of each country is willing and unwilling. And the opinion of which part of them matters or is ignored. And who exactly makes the decision to start hostilities or the decision to refrain from them.
      Then we will get a little closer to the answer to the question “do military people want war?”
    2. 0
      18 November 2023 17: 11
      In fact, all the analytics aimed at the masses during the SVO showed that no one knows anything! lol The author’s assumptions are just his assumptions, which have the right to life.
      In fact, any strategist tries to fulfill his plan to the maximum, i.e. achieve complete victory! am compromises arise when the parties understand that it is not possible to achieve the goal, then the weaker party is happy about the end of the conflict, and the stronger is content with some significant result. feel
      The Kremlin’s maximum task is a change of power in Kyiv to a pro-Russian one and the transition of Ukraine under the control of Moscow in some form. The task of the Kyiv regime in this war is not taken into account, because without the support of the West, it will not be able to solve any problem! It is important to correctly assess the actual tasks of the West bully and correctly assess the potentials of the opponents, if you look at the war between Russia and Ukraine, then the strongest side, Russia and Ukraine, will be glad to survive in some form, and if you look at the war as a confrontation between Russia and the West, then the West already looks like the strongest side! feel Then, in order to understand how Russia can get Ukraine, you need to understand what significant result for the West will be satisfactory? Yes At the moment, I personally don’t really understand why the West should abandon Ukraine? There is only one option for now, this is the emergence of some problems within the West and a change of political figures who do not need a war in Ukraine, but need resources going to war for other purposes.
      Therefore, the Kremlin’s tactics, as in Chinese wisdom: wait until the enemy’s corpse floats past soldier
      So far everything looks like this, but only Putin really knows how bully
  3. +3
    17 November 2023 05: 47
    In the old days, the buffer was from the Warsaw Pact countries and neutral Finland. Now, in any case, with NATO there is a common border from Latvia to Norway, plus in some places Poland.
    There will be no buffer for the remnants of Ukraine. It will be an eternal abscess in any remaining configuration.
  4. -1
    17 November 2023 06: 14
    Ukrainian intelligence services are getting out of the control of the Americans and the British
    The Anglo-Saxons have not yet understood that those whom they nurture and feed to resist their opponents sooner or later get out of control. The experience of Afghanistan (Mujahideen-Taliban), Iraq (ISIS) is apparently not taken into account. For a long time and persistently they raised, armed and sponsored the Bandera regime in Ukraine, which today felt that it could make independent decisions (separate ones for now) without looking back at the owner.
    Those same 500–600 kilometers that will make it possible to respond to a surprise attack!
    But where can we get these 500-600 km? Even if Ukraine capitulates and loses access to the sea, it will still remain under the influence of the West and the presence of NATO troops in this territory is only a matter of time.
  5. 0
    17 November 2023 08: 12
    Like all of us, I watch Hollywood films. What to do, Hollywood films are bad, but ours in general... And I know that in popular culture, that is, fairy tales, legends, everything like that, and now in films, of course, the usual approaches, ways of thinking, are very well reflected. in general, everything that people live by. As a matter of fact, mass culture shapes the self-awareness of the people. From this, by the way, comes the rainbow acronym's desperate attack on Hollywood, forcing it to release now... well, that's another story.
    What am I talking about? Here's what it's all about. Most Hollywood films with action and adventure, containing geopolitics in the plot, are made about how Americans, Europeans, and the West in general created and trained Something, which, having become stronger, begins to beat the West. Hit hard, and Western heroes, sparing no effort and expensive equipment, fight this self-created something. I planted the garden myself, I will water it myself... and uproot it.
    In general, the situation when the West created something, and then is forced to cope with it, losing slippers, is deeply written in the clichéd brains of the Western man in the street. I think that the author of the article is right. Unfortunately, the situation is not optimistic. The West launches many such articles, programs, etc. at once. and so on. And they reflect all the directions in which events can go.
    The power of the West is never the people of the West. Their actions are not determined by the nonsense they launch into the media. As reality changes, experts and their articles will change, constantly repeating what we said)
    We need to win, and better quickly. Otherwise, all these “signals” are not worth the burnt gunpowder from one cartridge.
    1. 0
      17 November 2023 16: 34
      Quote: Mikhail3
      Most Hollywood films with action and adventure, containing geopolitics in the plot, are made about how the Americans, Europeans, and the West in general created and trained Something, which, having become stronger, begins to beat the West. Hit hard, and Western heroes, sparing no effort and expensive equipment,
      So there really are a lot of such films. Yesterday I just watched “The Creator” (2023) - it fits your description completely))))
      But mostly they “fight” rebel AIs, robots, aliens, zombies and psycho terrorists. In general, it is tolerant of other government officials. It’s stupid, of course, but harmless and entertaining for the “clichéd brains of the Western man in the street,” and other people in the street too. Propaganda of the image of the enemy in the person of Russia and Russians does not seem to have been noticed... or are there such examples from Hollywood?
      1. 0
        18 November 2023 15: 08
        Rebellious AIs are a completely new topic, literally this year and last year, before there were no AIs except Skynet) Almost all terrorists in films were trained by the United States in one form or another, look carefully. Have you not noticed the propaganda of the enemy in the person of Russia?! Well, watch Marvel movies) There are different Shield Agencies, the story of Black Widow and much, much more...
      2. 0
        18 November 2023 15: 09
        Rebellious AIs are a completely new topic, literally this year and last year, before there were no AIs except Skynet) Almost all terrorists in films were trained by the United States in one form or another, look carefully. Have you not noticed the propaganda of the enemy in the person of Russia?! Well, watch Marvel movies) There are different Shield Agencies, the story of Black Widow and much, much more...
  6. +2
    17 November 2023 08: 44
    In order to dictate terms, you first need to win, and victory is not only just around the corner, but not even looming on the horizon. Those who have not seen it are usually not afraid of war, and these same people are usually diligently fighting for it, but this usually before the first arrival or any kind of military action, and then literally instantly comes the understanding that war is not fun at all, that parades and Hollywood bravado are not at all like blood, dirt, and adrenaline flowing into boots...
  7. -3
    17 November 2023 10: 21
    Remember the rallies in Western countries in support of Kyiv? How many people took part in them and what was the ethnic composition of the protesters? Has anyone seen, for example, demonstrations of 800 thousand in London for Kyiv? And they saw for Palestine! And not only in Britain, but also in the USA, Germany, France and other countries.

    In London, approx. marched for Palestine. 200 thousand is a small part of the sheepherders who came to Britain, who came out to scream for their own. It is worth noting here that Muslims are united on this issue - the imam in the mosque said to go for your own - 8 out of 10 will go. If you think that locals took part in these rallies in any significant numbers, this is not so.
    The Ukrainians themselves stood for Ukraine (of course, there is no need to be afraid of the immigration police), as well as Georgians, Belarusians with a flag, and all sorts of Ingrians, free Siberians. This public is significantly smaller than the supporters of the most peace-loving religion and Hamas. In addition, it is still more difficult to get them to a rally than the Khamasovites.
  8. +1
    17 November 2023 10: 53
    Which Dnieper? Kyiv, Poltava, etc. these are cities of Russian mentality and glory. 20 years will pass and the Banderlogs will come out again. All of Ukraine except the Galician and Transcarpathian territories must return, PERIOD!!!
  9. BAI
    +1
    17 November 2023 11: 30
    with guarantees that it will be a neutral state.
    ?
    WHAT GUARANTEES?!!
    Oral?
    All of recent history is evidence that the West does not fulfill either oral or written (enshrined in the Treaties) promises.
    Ukraine will be neutral only if there are peacekeepers on its territory from other countries that are not members of NATO
    1. -2
      17 November 2023 19: 13
      Quote: BAI
      Ukraine will be neutral only if there are peacekeepers on its territory from other countries that are not members of NATO
      Why are there peacekeepers in a territory whose residents will vote against joining the Russian Federation? Maximum - riot police. All heavy weapons are illegal in a demilitarized non-aligned country. Peacekeepers will be needed if they then start butting pitchforks among themselves over who is more Svidomo.
  10. +1
    17 November 2023 11: 54
    Not “under influence”, but completely controlled, i.e. all decisions are made not in Kyiv, but in Washington and London

    We postulate this mantra with considerable frequency, as a good mantra should - but is it really so? It is “is” and not “was”, although perhaps the question of how “it could have been” in fact is also important.
    Our trouble is often that once we have come up with a good stentorian recitation, we begin to mumble it constantly, in the best traditions of NLP, trying to convince ourselves and those around us that this is a thoroughly established truth, or even completely change reality with these spells.
    No, from an agitprop point of view, this is a good strategy, designed to show the depravity, subordination and insolvency of the “Zelensky regime”, as we usually call it, but we, in principle, live in a time when there are two realities - media and real.
    Now, in “real reality,” what is the actual degree of subordination and absolute control of the forces of Ukraine by the West? This is a good reason for an analytical article, by the way.

    Here you need to understand that we and the West have a different perception of “everything is under control”; one very useful material was published here not so long ago, unfortunately I don’t remember what it was titled.
    We perceive “control” as approaching complete control over the environment and key participants. That is, in our understanding, when we say “the West controls Ukraine,” it is meant that the West is fully aware of everything that the power structures of Ukraine are doing, actively corrects and sets this course to a degree that dominates the internal, hardware control. And there they take the lead and do everything resignedly, like a golem.

    To tell the truth, it would be outright fantasy. In a country in which more than one government has been overthrown by the Maidan and about which our own propaganda has been screaming from every iron for ten years about “strong corruption, nepotism and the role of regional and oligarchic clans” - imagine a system with openly dictatorial, totalitarian governance, based on In this regard, such an attached feudal structure is fairy tales and unnecessary assumptions of the imagination.

    The fact that in conditions of conflict in a number of areas the system, so to speak, has mobilized, cannot indicate that it is 100% controlled even by internal forces, let alone external ones. Control of external forces always goes through the internal bureaucracy - and in both directions. At the level of processing incoming and outgoing data, distortions and concealments occur in the interests of these same elites, clans, groups and oligarchy. Not to mention that these groups may have their own interests, regional, domestic political, economic, etc. And they will implement them - they have personal resources for this, and the West will not know about this due to the fact that these are resources not controlled by it.
    1. -4
      17 November 2023 15: 19
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      The West is fully aware of everything that the security forces of Ukraine are doing, actively corrects and sets this course to a degree that dominates the management of internal, hardware

      Did you read the article at all? Anything else on the topic? In fact, the Ukrainian intelligence services consist largely of Americans. Americans occupy entire floors in the buildings of these special services, and rest assured, they do not work there as cleaners. Yes, Ukrainian performers are ferociously weird (of course), but no significant operations will simply receive funding without a visa from an American who holds a post directly in this Ukrainian special service and is actively involved in the development of the operation.
      You really have some problems about how and by what it is “controlled”.
      1. +4
        17 November 2023 17: 48
        Here is another adherent of “total control”. An argument with such a person is useless, simply because for him it is a competition of phalluses and not a question of finding out the truth.
        However, I am curious - how, from your point of view, in a system of “full control” can such situations arise when Zaluzhny gives one interview with one picture - and Zelensky claims the opposite picture? When Mr. Zelensky independently decides the question of whether to visit NATO headquarters on an unapproved visit, for example. When Budanov’s department is engaged in acts of terrorist liquidation not even of figures of the first or third echelon, but simply of characters who do not decide anything in the big game? What do Americans care about Daria Dugina or Vladlen Tatarsky? Come on, come up with some funnier explanation than “this is all a super cunning plan of the insidious Americans”!
        In general, Budanov personally, for example, is a person with dual citizenship, maybe he is the same “just American” who sit in some offices and do this very nonsense that you write about? You probably stood there with a candle and watched as they commanded there in a pith helmet! Why did you decide that these hosts exist, did you interview them? Even if they exist, do you unequivocally state that these people are engaged in “direct leadership” and not in providing bilateral economic and intelligence coordination?
        We believe that Ukraine is receiving significant intelligence. and resource support from the West - how in your opinion can this happen without ensuring coordination? Who can be entrusted with this coordination, other than outside figures - those who may be a double agent or an opponent of the conflict, or simply someone’s son-in-law in a specific Ukrainian power hierarchy. No, of course, such communication and coordination will be carried out by newcomers - but this does NOT mean that they are deciding something there. This is a connecting link between different systems because Ukraine is NOT in NATO and the degree of its integration with NATO is still negligible.
        These characters are the essence of the space between system A and B, yes, at the other end of the line there will be wishes and persistent wishes, and they will have some levers of pressure and influence, but the Ukrainian system has much more independence in decision-making than you see.
        Otherwise, for about a year already, a direct occupation of the West would have to be introduced on the territory of Ukraine, since not a single representative of any elite or clan will be content with the role of a doll with a hand in the ass. The vast majority of characters crawl up the hierarchical ladder in order to have Power and freedom of voluntarism, and not that’s all. And if you think that with a snap of your fingers you can make them just say all at once “what can you do” and stop being who they were, then you are extremely naive.
        And the Americans themselves are in no hurry to share the field of complicity and involvement with the Ukrainians - it would be unrealistic to hide the scale of the “manual regime” with duplication of management of all the scales of the work of law enforcement agencies. This principle of management is not used by the Americans - they are much more accustomed to manipulation and pushing.
        But no, of course, a pith helmet will be closer to you in terms of perception.
    2. -2
      17 November 2023 20: 27
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Our problem is often that once we have come up with a good stentorian recitative, we begin to mumble it constantly, in the best traditions of NLP, trying to convince ourselves and others that it is the truth.
      The trouble is a little deeper: the vast majority of all these certified NLPists devalue the negative value of lies, on which all technologies of suggestion are based, starting with the formula of classical hypnosis, dosed 1/4 of lies, which are justified by their own individual or professional goals. J. Grinder, at the opening of the first Moscow seminar, stated that if a person, based on suggestion, acts as if what was suggested was the truth, then it is the truth. Do you feel the closeness of Marxism about the criterion of truth? Instead of “NLP master” certificates, it was necessary to issue a certificate of mentally infected people.
      But their value profile is formatted not only during selection as a willingness to lie to others in order to achieve their own goals, but also with the help of “anchors” - classical and operant conditioned reflexes that cause certain emotional and verbal reactions to certain stimuli. This is the Pentagon's army of information warriors; stimuli and reactions, which they sincerely consider to be “their recitative,” are spread by them like viruses not only through contact, but also remotely.
  11. -3
    17 November 2023 14: 10
    The conclusions are absolutely correct. The pragmatic West will not support an army and a state that could not fulfill its tasks. If Russia begins to push back on the Ukrainian Armed Forces, it will be a loss of image for the West. This is a war with NATO equipment, according to NATO standards, with soldiers trained in NATO, under NATO leadership. No result - no interest.
  12. -1
    17 November 2023 19: 42
    Ukraine as a whole must be a buffer from NATO, otherwise it will be such a “hemorrhoid” that it won’t seem enough! It is still necessary to prevent the merger of Moldova with Romania.
  13. +2
    17 November 2023 20: 38
    Aircraft carriers have turned from bogeymen into targets. Whether the anti-ship weapons available in the East will destroy them or not is an open question. But the very fact that such a strike was being prepared caused panic in the Pentagon.
    There is no open question and no panic either; the AUG is a fairly stable formation with modern layered defense and excellent strike capabilities.
    The decision has most likely already been made. Now the task of the West, or rather the United States, is to get out gracefully and leave gracefully. The Americans will not fight for some kind of Ukraine, which in fact is no longer needed by the United States. Israel is much more important to them. But even here, given the situation in the world, the support of the Palestinians, the question of military operations by the American army is hanging.
    The decision is unlikely to have changed; in any case, there are no real signs of this. The Americans and Europeans did not intend to fight for Ukraine, as they themselves stated, but they provided and will continue to provide support (as long as there is an addressee). The question of military operations in support of Israel also did not hang up, for the simple reason that the arrival of the AUG turned out to be a sufficient warning for Iran and other forces.
    In general, the author is recognizable and predictable in his desire to pass off wishful thinking...
  14. -1
    17 November 2023 23: 24
    The second counter-offensive of the Ukrainian Armed Forces fizzled out, and it is unprofitable to continue investing money in the same amount.
    From this follows the decision to begin the third, after Minsk and Turkish, round of negotiations with the Russian Federation. The goal is to buy off territory from the Russian Federation while maintaining Ukrainian statehood.
    Neutral status will not interfere with the rearmament of colonization and preparation for a new “liberation” war of the remnants of Ukraine against the Russian Federation
    Separate conspiracy while preserving the statehood of Ukraine in any form is a defeat for the Russian Federation
  15. 0
    19 November 2023 16: 06
    The author's optimism is off the charts. The striped ones don’t care how they look at them, there’s a lot of money, they print it and the whole world buys it. They will cling to the 404 until the last, because... it's like a dirty finger stuck into our liver. The military defeat of the Saloreich is the only thing that will stop the war.
  16. 0
    19 November 2023 18: 20
    Has anyone heard about the formation of two centers of power in the world? About a bloc led by the United States and a bloc led by China and Russia?

    The author asked China whether it needs a co-governor, or will it be fine to negotiate with the States one on one? You should have asked first.
    Otherwise, it’s difficult to rely on the author’s visionary qualities...
  17. 0
    20 November 2023 06: 50
    Ukrainians must understand the main thing: the road to NATO = the road to Hell.

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