Battle of Narva 1700

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Battle of Narva 1700

"The one who wins the battle is
who is determined to win it.”

L. N. Tolstoy

This article is devoted to two episodes of the Northern War or, as it is also called, the Twenty Years' War, and among the Swedes - the Great Northern War.

A small prehistory


Peter I joined the “Northern Alliance”, created on the initiative of the Elector of Saxony and the Polish king. The union included the Danish-Norwegian kingdom, but the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth did not participate in the war. Each side solved its own problems.



The Saxon army (August II, Polish king) besieges Riga, the Danish king besieges Friedrichstadt in Schleswig.

After signing the Peace Treaty of Constantinople with the Ottoman Empire, Tsar Peter declared war on Sweden and on August 19 (30), 1700, he set out on a campaign against Narva.

In March 1700, the Danish king Frederick IV invaded the Duchy of Holstein-Gottorp in the south of the country. However, 10 thousand Swedish soldiers under the command of King Charles XII, unexpectedly for the Danes, landed near Copenhagen, and Denmark was forced to conclude the Travendal Peace Treaty on August 7 (18) and abandon the alliance with Augustus II.

The siege of Riga by Saxon troops was initially sluggish, and even the arrival of Augustus II near Riga in mid-July 1700 did not improve the situation. The news of Denmark's surrender forced the Saxon Elector to lift the siege and retreat.

Russia, surprisingly, was left alone with the strongest army of the then Europe, and perhaps the world.

Russian troops are building a double earthen rampart from the west of Narva, which protects them both from Narva and from the west from a possible attack by the Swedes. The edges of the shafts abut the Narova.

The total number of Russian troops, according to various estimates, is from 34 to 40 thousand. The number of guns is slightly less than 200.

Narva was defended by a garrison of about 2 people with 000 guns. Garrison commander Rudolf Horn.

On October 20 (31), the Russian army began regular shelling of the fortress. The effectiveness is extremely low, as Swedish sources report, during this time 3 unsuccessful assaults were launched.

At the time of the siege of Narva, the number of Swedish troops in this region was insignificant. The only large detachment under the command of Otto Wehling, about 8 people, was located on the territory of modern Latvia in the small town of Ruiena. It was this detachment that annoyed the Saxon Elector.

Charles XII arrived in Pärnu along with his troops on October 5 (16), that is, a month before the main battle. He decides to give the main forces a long rest. A cruise in the Baltic in late autumn is another pleasure.

And on October 12 (23) he himself arrived in Ryuevel (Ruiena) and ordered Otto Welling with the main forces of his detachment to move northeast to Wesenberg (Rakvere).

Then on October 25 (November 5) he arrived in Revel, where he met with local residents. Charles promised the Estonians additional privileges within the Kingdom of Sweden, and Revel allocated 5 militia for the Swedish army. The gathering of the entire army was scheduled at Wesenberg.

That's the end of the little preface.

Boris Petrovich Sheremetev


Here the hero of the first part of the article appears, Boris Petrovich Sheremetev.


Having learned about Karl's landing in Pärnu, Peter sends him with a cavalry detachment (5-6 thousand) to meet the enemy. Without encountering resistance, the future count took up positions in the area of ​​the Wesenberg fortress (Rakvere) by October 3 (14). Naturally, there is a Swedish garrison in the fortress. What tasks did Tsar Peter I set for Boris Sheremetev, I did not find in the available sources. Some write - intelligence.

The Swedes are more specific. The year 1700 was a lean year in Estonia, and Sheremetev’s detachment had to devastate the already meager supplies of food in the area from Narva to Rakvere (Wesenberg).

In early November, a detachment of 600 men was sent from Wesenberg under the command of Majors Georg Patkul and Hans von Tiesenhausan, which was supposed to stop the actions of the Russian cavalry to devastate the area.

Having learned about the approach of the main Swedish troops to Wesenberg, Boris Sheremetev with his detachment retreats across the Purtse River, which is about 40 km from Wesenberg. Leaving small garrisons in Purtse, Varje (Variel) and Aa (Gakgof), he and his main forces settled in the village of Povanda, present-day Kotla-Jarve.

On October 25 (November 5), a detachment of Swedes attacked the village of Purtse and captured it. On the evening of October 26, the Swedes attack the garrison in Varje. And again, the Russian soldiers offered virtually no resistance to the Swedes; some of them barricaded themselves in peasant houses, where they were burned alive by the Swedes, but some managed to gallop off to Powanda.

Having learned about what happened, Boris Sheremetev sends a detachment (21 squadron) to Varya. Russian squadrons surrounded Varya, but the Swedes fought their way out of the encirclement, but some of them were captured by the Russians. Including Major Patkul, who during interrogation gives false testimony about the size of the Swedish army moving towards Narva. 30–000 people – he announced.

Despite the success in this battle and numerical superiority, Sheremetev, instead of gaining a foothold in Purtse, retreated from it 40 km to the village of Pyukhaiye. Peter was extremely dissatisfied with such actions and showered Sheremetev with severe reproaches. The latter justified himself that “there are untold swamps and swamps there.”


The diagram is clearly a remake, where the location of the villages is indicated correctly. Roads and roads are indicated, supposedly these are roads through swamps.


Screenshot of the same area from a Google satellite image at the time of writing. We hardly see any swamps, and the wooded part is only in the eastern part of the image. Moreover, this is the upper part of the cliff, and the fertile layer here is no more than a meter. The villages mentioned in the article are circled in green. Red is the road to Narva, and yellow is to Vasknarva (Syrenets) and through the fords to the right bank of the Narova.

November 12 Karl leaves Wesenberg. The number of his army is 11 people. Some of the Swedish generals are trying to dissuade Karl from waiting for reinforcements; there are rumors that a Russian army of 000 people is moving towards Narva and the eastern part of Virland is completely plundered and houses are burned. Karl orders that you take four days' rations with you and leave everything you need behind. The army is accompanied by a small convoy. In modern language, Karl takes a one-way ticket.

On November 16, the Swedish vanguard encountered Sheremetev's cavalry at the Pühajõe crossing; when Charles arrived, he ordered the guns to be rolled forward. Seeing these preparations, Sheremetev ordered a retreat. And the main forces of the Swedes calmly crossed the river. This event is known among the Swedes as the “Pyhajõgi fashion show”.


A modern bridge on the site of an old crossing.


The field on which the Russian cavalry positions were located.

The position near the Pyhajõgi River was indeed well chosen, and if Sheremetov and his detachment had accepted battle here, he “could have offered significant resistance and forced the enemy to deploy his forces and suffer considerable losses” (A. Petrov, 1872).

On November 17, in the Laagna area, the Swedish vanguard encountered an outpost of Russian troops and mistook it for the entire Russian army, which forced the Swedes to line up and take combat readiness. When the mistake was discovered, it was already evening, and the Swedes set up camp there.

On the night of November 18, Swedish reconnaissance approached the Russian fortifications, studied their location, measured the height of the ramparts and the depth of the ditches.

On the morning of November 19 (30), Charles’s army left the camp near Laagn and by one o’clock in the afternoon (sunset on November 30 at 16:10) was in the Hermannsberg area, which is 1 kilometer from the Russian fortifications.


The purpose of this article does not include a description of the assault on Russian fortifications in the Narva region.

I was surprised by the actions of the commander of the cavalry detachment, Pyotr Borisovich Sheremetev. In the two weeks that preceded the general battle, he controlled the only road that went from Wesenberg to Narva. Having a cavalry detachment of half the size of the Swedes' army and using natural barriers in the form of rivers (Purtse and Pyhajõgi) and more, he could force a battle and thereby change the course of the war itself. But for some reason he didn't. Didn't even make an attempt.

Historians justify his behavior by the fear of being surrounded and the difficulty of movement (there are swamps and swamps all around). Both arguments are untenable. It feels like the Swedes moved along the highway, and the Russians through the swamps.

Most likely, it was initially clear to many that the Narva campaign was a failure. The Russian army was left alone with the strongest army in Europe, all allies “merged”, preparations for war took place in a hurry. There was only enough gunpowder and shells for 2 weeks of shelling of the fortress with various caliber artillery. Three unsuccessful assaults. And finally, the news that Karl with an army of 50 thousand was moving towards Narva did not add courage and heroism. Peter's departure - and this goes into the same piggy bank.

Sheremetev's cavalry retreated almost 50 km along the left bank of Narva to Syrensk, now it is Vasknarva, and previously it was also Neishloss. Here they crossed to the right bank and went to Pskov. This is a really difficult path through forests and swamps. Even now there are no roads here.

It should be noted that Peter was later not angry with the actions of Boris Sheremetev. He sent him an encouraging letter and promoted him to general-in-chief. Boris Sheremetev was always in a special place with Peter I. At the feasts organized by Peter, the famous Great Eagle Cup was never presented to Sheremetev, and this says a lot!

But let's return to Narva.

Surrender


On the morning of December 1, negotiations on surrender began. From the Russian side, Yakov Dolgorukov (the hero of the second half of this article), Avtonom Golovin, Ivan Buturlin, and Tsarevich Alexander Imeretinsky took part in them. The terms of surrender in Russian and Swedish sources vary. And I won’t bring them.


Portrait of Yakov Dolgorukov during captivity by Swedish artist Elias Brenner*

Swedish sappers, together with the Russians, began repairing the damaged Kamperholm bridge at eleven o'clock, and the next morning, December 2, at four o'clock, the bridge was completed, and Russian troops left the Swedish bank of the Narova.

It should be noted that when the last Russian soldiers left the left bank, Swedish and especially Finnish (how could we live without them!) drunken soldiers began to rob and kill the Russians who were the last in the column.

Contrary to what was agreed upon in the negotiations, the Swedes captured 700 Russian officers, including the Duke de Croy, Yakov Dolgorukov, Avtonom Golovin, Adam Weide, Ivan Trubetskoy, Ivan Buturlin, Alexander Imeretinsky, the Saxon envoy Baron von Langen, Ludwig Nikolaus von Hallart, 10 colonels and several lieutenant colonels, majors and captains. It is clear that this was Karl’s “homemade” preparation.

The prisoners were transported to Reval, and in 1701 to Stockholm and the island of Visingsø as prisoners of war, and they were to be used in future exchanges for captured Swedish officers and officials. The Duke de Croy remained a prisoner in Reval until his death on January 20, 1702, and due to his large debts he was not buried.

The situation of the Russian prisoners was difficult, the conditions were terrible. An eyewitness writes “it is better to be captured by the Turks than by the Swedes. Here Russians are treated as nothing, they are dishonestly abused and ridiculed.” Tsarevich Alexander of Imereti, who was treated better, even wrote and asked for help, because “he only has his daily bread.”

The situation of the prisoners worsened even more after the Battle of Poltava. The efforts made by the Russian side to alleviate the fate of the prisoners were powerless. Yakov Dolgorukov behaved very dignified in captivity. He did not lose his pride and behaved defiantly with the Swedes, which did not prevent him from thoroughly becoming familiar with the state structure of the kingdom.

In 1711, he was on a schooner, among 44 Russian prisoners and 20 Swedes, heading to Umeå, which is located on the western shore of the Gulf of Bothnia. What actually happened is not known for certain, but in fact the prisoners disarmed the schooner’s crew, most of them were killed and thrown overboard.

Here is what Yakov Dolgorukov himself writes:

“The all-merciful God, through the intercession of the Mother of God, gave us, the prisoners, a good opportunity and fearless boldness, that we could throw the captain and soldiers who accompanied us into the ships below deck and take away their guns, and, having raised the anchor, on June 3 days, we went to their way and traveled by that sea for 120 miles and, not reaching Stockholm 10 miles, turned to Dogo Island. Both the skipper and the pinner knew the route to Stockholm, but from Stockholm across the Baltic Sea they knew nothing and had never been there and did not have sea charts with them, and we crossed that sea without any knowledge, guided by the ancient, distressed sailing helmsman, the great Father Nicholas, and to which island we intended - the helmsman directed us to that very place.”

A few days later, our fugitives successfully arrived in Revel. At that time, our hero was 71 years old.

A few words about this worthy man.

Yakov Dolgorukov


He lived a full life. Born 1639 in Moscow. Received a good education. Knew Latin. Even before meeting Pyotr Alekseevich, he proved himself more than successful. Simbirsk governor. In 1682, during the Streltsy revolt, he took the side of Peter and was devoted to him all his life. He often and openly expressed his opinion to the king. He became popular due to his straightforwardness and incorruptibility.

One example.

“So, P.K. Shchebalsky tells how “there was once a shortage of flour in St. Petersburg, and the city was threatened by famine; on this occasion, a decree was passed in the Senate - to collect a quadrangle (1 quadruple - 64 pounds) of rye from the peasants of the areas closest to St. Petersburg , and this decree was approved by the king.

Dolgoruky was not present in the Senate that day, and when he was asked to sign the protocol, he sealed it and thereby suspended its execution. The senators gathered, the tsar arrived and learned that Yakov Fedorovich had sealed the decree approved by the senate and the tsar.

They send for him... find him in the church, demand him to the Senate... Three times the king sent for him, but he appeared in the Senate only after the end of the liturgy.

The Tsar, they say, rushed at him with his hand raised, but Dolgoruky calmly... said: “Here is my chest.” Then he explained that, without burdening the already ruined peasants with extortion, it was possible to borrow from the rich granaries of Menshikov and other nobles, not excluding himself, before the arrival of transports with grain.

Having heard this, the king embraced him and carried out according to his advice.”
(Vladimir Boguslavsky).

He died in St. Petersburg on July 24, 1720, Peter I arranged a solemn funeral. He was buried in the Alexander Nevsky Lavra.

PS


Now there are few colleagues left on the site who look at history not only from the official point of view. I mean critical thinkers.

After the victory at Narva, the Swedes issued a number of commemorative medals. Here is one of them.


Everything about it is correct. Both Narva and Ivangorod - everything is there. But! The Swedish lion somehow defeats the dragon! Is the Dragon a symbol of Russia? There are no accidents in faleristics.


Monument to Russian soldiers who died in the battle near Narva in 1700. Modern view.


Monument in honor of the Swedish victory near Narva. New build, opened in 2000. The original was lost during the Great Patriotic War

*Elias Brenner is a Swedish artist and numismatist. Known for his fundamental work on the description of Swedish coins. When he died, there were 687 coins in his personal collection. The Swedish crown did not have the money to buy it back. First, it was bought by an English merchant, and then by a Russian prince named Demidov (according to the Swedes). Now, with a high degree of probability, it is in Russian museums.
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  1. +7
    17 November 2023 04: 29
    Thank you for the article! Very interesting! good
    This one is just for fun.
    This summer I walked along the Narova embankment and in the Dark Garden, my friends know why I was there, I once again saw the monument to Russian soldiers who died during the storming of the fortress in 1700.
    And I thought, why is so little written about this battle? Because they lost? But as you know, without defeats there are no victories.
    My knowledge about the beginning of the Northern War was at an average level. And I wondered why the Russian troops, having multiple superiority in manpower, and this was the decisive factor at that time, lost to a dry spell.
    As a result, this article appeared.
    Yes, we lost in the endgame, but we won the game!
    I wrote the article in the summer of this year, but it was prompted to publish an article about Lassi, or more precisely about the Northern War.
    He's not that much of a hero! I just got to the right place at the right time. No more.
    Many historians refer to the poor material base of the Narva company.
    Yes, this is partly true, but only with regard to artillery and nothing more.
    10000 carts with everything necessary, which by today’s standards is 7500 tons of cargo, plus private cargo (officers and high nobility).
    The siege promised to be long.
    And the Russian side was ready for this.
    But why was the game only against us?
    I tried to answer.
    Criminal lack of initiative
    one of the heroes of the article, Boris Sheremetev with his cavalry before the battle and practically escaping from the battlefield.
    The Swedes approached Narva at about 13-00. Sunset is around 16. Everything takes 3-3,5 hours. This means his formation left the battlefield before dark.
    Dejection and hopelessness in the camp of Russian troops. Three unsuccessful assaults. Swedish sources report 50 streltsy hanged.
    Fear of the strongest army in Europe. These are the components of defeat.
    Well, Peter’s flight to Novgorod is a plus.
    The command and troops were demoralized. The result is known.
    But they learn from mistakes!
    Yes, the Republic of Ingushetia paid dearly for this defeat, but even now the Russian Federation is paying a lot for the war in Ukraine.
    Let us return to the thesis: “the end justifies the means”
    Without this, there is no war.
    1. +5
      17 November 2023 05: 41
      Good morning Alexander and thank you very much!!!
    2. +6
      17 November 2023 05: 54
      "end justifies the means"
      Not always if the goal is specific and not vague.
    3. +6
      17 November 2023 10: 37
      Good afternoon, Sasha! drinks
      Why is so little written about this battle?

      Why so few? They write a lot both about the Northern War and about the Battle of Narva in particular; the historiography on this issue is enormous.
      Most likely, it was initially clear to many that the Narva campaign was a failure.

      There are many specific reasons, but I agree that this is the main one.
      but in fact, the prisoners disarmed the schooner’s crew, killed most of them and threw them overboard.

      I didn’t know about this story, very worthy!
      The Duke de Croy remained a prisoner in Reval until his death on January 20, 1702, and due to his large debts he was not buried.

      If he was not buried, then his ghost is probably still wandering around Tallinn?
      that the Russian army of 80 people is moving towards Narva

      The Russian army is always 80 thousand people, this is well known from Polish flying leaflets, at least since the time of Orsha, and 40 thousand were beaten and captured, the remaining 40 thousand fled. laughing
      The criminal lack of initiative of one of the heroes of the article, Boris Sheremetev, with his cavalry before the battle and practically escaping from the battlefield.

      In general, I agree, but as far as I remember, Sheremetev had only local cavalry, the combat effectiveness of which against regular infantry at that time was, to put it mildly, close to zero. Even the Polish hussars periodically in the 17th century could inflict defeats on regular infantry, but this is rather an exception. At this time, the local cavalry is hardly suitable for action against a modern army, unless some specific favorable conditions arise, well, perhaps for partisan actions.
      Yes, we lost in the endgame, but we won the game!

      In the debut.
      Now there are few colleagues left on the site who look at history not only from the official angle. I mean critical thinkers.

      Did you really not understand this passage? hi
      But! The Swedish lion somehow defeats the dragon! Is the Dragon a symbol of Russia?

      I don’t know, but probably the popular plot of “dragon fighting” is simply used here
      1. +2
        17 November 2023 10: 49
        Hello, Sergey!
        Yes, indeed in the debut. I wrote at night... and that’s what I wrote drinks
        [quote][/I really didn’t understand this passage quote]
        Yes, everything is very simple, a not-so-subtle hint at Tartaria
      2. +5
        17 November 2023 10: 57
        In your photo of the monument in Stockholm, the dragon is Denmark. And the monument is dedicated to the Battle of Bruunkeberg in 1410.
      3. +4
        17 November 2023 17: 20
        The Russian army is always 80 thousand people, this is well known from Polish flying leaflets, at least since the time of Orsha, and 40 thousand were beaten and captured, the remaining 40 thousand fled

        It’s funny, but according to the plan, PETER wanted to collect almost 70 thousand.

        In general, I agree, but as far as I remember, Sheremetev had only local cavalry, the combat effectiveness of which against regular infantry at that time was, to put it mildly, close to zero.

        In general, Sheremetev’s predominantly local cavalry looks very strange at first glance. According to the list of 1681, the Reitar and Dragoon regiments (26 in total) were almost twice the number of local cavalry. And here, as part of the main forces of the state, there are 2 dragoons and an incomplete Reitar
        Have all the polymers been safely lost, or is someone underestimating the real forces?
    4. +3
      17 November 2023 15: 24
      My knowledge about the beginning of the Northern War was at an average level.

      The article fully corresponds to this level. In addition, the author is clearly burdened by the need to balance between a “consolidated” and objective presentation of events, as the passage clearly demonstrates
      Contrary to what was agreed upon in the negotiations, the Swedes captured 700 Russian officers, including the Duke de Croy, Yakov Dolgorukov, Avtonom Golovin, Adam Weide, Ivan Trubetskoy, Ivan Buturlin, Alexander Imeretinsky, the Saxon envoy Baron von Langen, Ludwig Nikolaus von Hallart, 10 colonels and several lieutenant colonels, majors and captains. It is clear that this was Karl’s “homemade” preparation.

      In reality, the bulk of the characters listed by the author, led by the commander-in-chief of the Russian army, Duke Karl Eugene de Croix, completely voluntarily surrendered to the Swedes, to the extent that in the Russian army, oversaturated with foreign officers, the masses of soldiers very quickly determined the reason for the defeat: “The Germans are traitors.” After which the “Germans” simply began to be slaughtered. Well, the rest, “non-Germans”, are under the hot hand. So Swedish captivity was very helpful.
      1. 0
        17 November 2023 17: 17
        Did you see it yourself or did you dream it?
        1. 0
          17 November 2023 18: 35
          Did you see it yourself or did you dream it?

          Good answer. Classical. In the style of "The Twelve Chairs".
          1. 0
            17 November 2023 18: 47
            [quote"The Germans are traitors." After which the “Germans” simply began to be slaughtered][/quote]
            Yes, that’s what they say in Russian sources. Hidden propaganda.
            Who was stabbed? Lassi about whom there was an article? Or Adam Weide, who was at the surrender meeting and, with his archers, fought the Swedes the next day and only Dolgoruky’s order forced him to surrender.
  2. +3
    17 November 2023 05: 23
    An excellent description of the battle, without a description of the battle, and maybe 16 thousand people in their fighting qualities, the Swedish regular army were good, but most of the troops were recruited from the ground (indelta) and simply for hire, so in no way was the Swedish army the strongest in the world.
    1. +5
      17 November 2023 08: 36
      Quote: Cartalon
      Excellent description of the battle, without description of the battle

      Tradition, sir! smile
      Quote: Cartalon
      strictly for hire, so no way

      In the world, for sure! Yes
      In the region? Quite possibly. But yes, it would be nice to clarify how many were recruited there, and how many policemen were from the Indelta. recourse
  3. +2
    17 November 2023 05: 48
    as it is also called, the Twenty Years' War
    Peter I called it “a three-time bloody and very dangerous school.” Why "three-time"? Peter I explained: “All students of science usually graduate at seven years old, but our school was three times old.”
  4. +3
    17 November 2023 07: 25
    Revel allocated 5 militia for the Swedish army
    The Ests made their mark here too...
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 10: 03
      At that time, Revel was part of the Swedish kingdom and helping his king was natural.
      The figure of 5000 people confuses me. Revel itself had about 20 thousand inhabitants.
      1. 0
        26 November 2023 17: 45
        And it confuses me that in a lean year from Pärnu to Narva, so few farmers gathered to plunder. - only 5000.
  5. +4
    17 November 2023 08: 05
    Veling's detachment - 8000 people.
    Revel militia - 5000 people
    The Swedish army near Narva is about 10000 people.
    One gets the impression that Karl sailed to Pärnu in splendid isolation...
    Thank you, Sasha!
    1. +5
      17 November 2023 10: 07
      Hello Anton.
      We must not forget that large military formations were concentrated in the south (Pskov, Novgorod). And the Saxon army is also a force! So Karl had to take all this into account
  6. +4
    17 November 2023 08: 16
    Charles XII arrived in Pärnu with his troops on October 5 (16).
    Having learned about Karl's landing in Pärnu, Peter sends him with a cavalry detachment (5-6 thousand) to meet the enemy. Without meeting any resistance, the future count took up positions in the area of ​​the Wesenberg fortress by October 3 (14).

    As I understand it, there is an error in interpretation. Peter did not know about the landing, but he knew about Charles’s victory over the allies and assumed a landing.
    One of the reasons, and perhaps the main one, for the defeat at Narva has not been named: the betrayal of the leadership (by foreigners) of the army.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 10: 09
      Peter and his entourage were well aware of the movement of the Swedish troops
      1. +4
        17 November 2023 11: 32
        Did you know? When did information travel, at best, at the speed of a running horse?
        Did not know. So Karl came up unexpectedly.
        And would Peter, with his character, have left on the eve of the battle? No.
        This betrayal (or position of neutrality) explains Charles’s long stand, and then his forced march with a minimum number of troops.
        1. +3
          17 November 2023 11: 41
          Both the Swedes and the Russians knew everything.
          The text says that Peter sent Sheremetev to Wesenberg for a reason. He knew that a gathering of the Swedish army was scheduled there.
          Peter's presence in the camp near Narva would have changed little, but his captivity is already a big problem!
          1. +3
            17 November 2023 12: 00
            Quote: ee2100
            Peter's presence in the camp near Narva would have changed little, but his captivity is already a big problem!

            I also think that I did the right thing by leaving, the Tsar is in captivity, what could be worse for the state?
            1. +8
              17 November 2023 13: 06
              Quote: Mihaylov
              what could be worse for the state?

              When the king is a wimp.
          2. +2
            17 November 2023 18: 36
            Both the Swedes and the Russians knew everything.
            The text says that Peter sent Sheremetev to Wesenberg for a reason. He knew that a gathering of Swedish troops was scheduled there

            Everyone knew. Phenomenal! Was it published in the newspapers?
            In the text, if you re-read it again, Karl only 5 arrives, and Sheremetyev already 3 approaches Wesenberg. Peter sent him accordingly even earlier.
          3. +2
            17 November 2023 18: 42
            Peter's presence in the camp near Narva would have changed little, but his captivity is already a big problem!

            Let's do it without the subjunctive mood.
            I’m not talking about the sense in the presence of Peter, but about the fact that the king came to win and would not have left on the eve of the battle if he had known about it.
  7. +4
    17 November 2023 08: 39
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    And I thought, why is so little written about this battle?


    Well, not so little - if they write about the Northern War, then they definitely write about Narva.

    I noticed something else - now the times of military confrontation and the former glory of Russian weapons, in theory, should be on the “front pages”. But I don’t see anything worthwhile either in cinemas, or on bookshelves, or on TV.

    And what appears is of such low quality that it can hardly serve patriotic education.
  8. +3
    17 November 2023 08: 47
    Quote: ee2100
    Criminal lack of initiative
    one of the heroes of the article, Boris Sheremetev with his cavalry before the battle and practically escaping from the battlefield.


    IMHO, you shouldn’t be so categorical in this case. Sheremetev had not very disciplined cavalry against, as he considered, the best infantry in the world, and even with artillery. All his subsequent actions throughout his life speak of his great caution. And he was, on the whole, a very good military leader.

    By the way, remember the attacks of the excellent cavalry, it seems, Murat on Neverovsky’s recruits in 1812 - to no avail.

    Sheremetev could have assumed that “nothing would come of this swarm,” but at least he retained control of the cavalry.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 10: 11
      not a bad military leader

      Yes, then it happened like that, but we’re talking about 1700
      1. +2
        17 November 2023 11: 42
        It seems you don’t take his southern campaigns into account?
        The family of B. Sheremetyev was a military family, and this was worth a lot in those days.
        1. +1
          17 November 2023 11: 55
          Of course not. The topic is limited to literally two weeks.
          1. +1
            17 November 2023 18: 27
            not a bad military leader

            Yes, then it happened like that, but we’re talking about 1700

            He was not a bad military leader before.
  9. +7
    17 November 2023 11: 32
    The general impression from the article is twofold.
    On the one hand, the topic is non-trivial - military operations on the eve of the Battle of Narva - and therefore interesting. On the other hand, the presentation, in my opinion, is chaotic and I am not sure that the topic is adequately covered.
    In particular.
    Russia, surprisingly, was left alone with the strongest army of the then Europe, and perhaps the world.

    More than a controversial statement. Soviet historiography, of course, presented Charles XII almost as a military genius, and his army as invincible, increasing the value of victory over him, but if we look at these issues more objectively, we will see that there were no significant victories over strong opponents at that time Sweden Did not have. Its army was small in number and not equipped at all according to the first standards of Europe. Simultaneously with the Northern War (whatever you say, a purely regional conflict), the War of the Spanish Succession was going on in Europe, in which individual armies of 30-50 thousand people were not uncommon, and the total number of soldiers in the theater of military operations at a time could exceed 200 thousand . Human. Somewhat different scales, you will agree. Against those contingents that Austria or France put on the battlefield, the Swedish army would look very pale.
    Screenshot of the same area from a Google satellite image at the time of writing. We hardly see any swamps, and the wooded part is only in the eastern part of the image.

    I couldn’t find exact data offhand, but there are approximate figures: between 1950 and 1985, the amount of arable land in Estonia approximately doubled. Land reclamation work on a huge scale was carried out, forests were cut down, swamps were drained. Actually, looking at modern satellite images in close proximity, the network of these reclamation canals in northern Estonia is still very clearly visible. So: if all those places where such canals exist are mentally shaded on the map with swamps, then the picture will change most radically and will fully correspond to Sheremetev’s description. smile
    if Sheremetov and his detachment had taken battle here, he “could have offered significant resistance and forced the enemy to deploy his forces and suffer considerable losses.”

    Sheremetev had cavalry at his disposal. With such a contingent, giving a defensive battle against a regular army is obviously a losing proposition. I am ready to agree that Sheremetev could bring more benefit to his contingent, but in a completely different way, namely short raids on individual Swedish units, attrition tactics, interruption of communications, raids on the rear, etc. But it’s not a proper battle in clearly defined positions.
    For such a war, like a partisan one, of course, special skills and personnel, organization and management are required, which, apparently, Sheremetev did not have, so he limited himself to reconnaissance and destruction of the area. Thank God I didn’t try to defeat Karl alone. smile
    And finally:
    The Swedish lion somehow defeats the dragon! Is the Dragon a symbol of Russia? There are no accidents in faleristics.

    If the symbol of Sweden is a lion, then why can’t a dragon be a symbol of Russia? Neither there nor there, neither one nor the other were ever found. smile
    But seriously, let me remind you that in European heraldry the lion is a symbol of strength, courage, nobility, royal origin, that is, goodness in such a refined, pure form. At the same time, the serpent (and the dragon is nothing more than a serpent) is the exact opposite symbol, relating directly to the devil, personifying cunning, deceit, unclean thoughts, that is, original evil. So on the coin there is symbolism in its most classic form - the victory of good over evil. I'm even somewhat surprised that such a question could arise. It’s already starting to smell like Great Tartary here, and Venya is about to fly in, buzzing loudly and angrily, and my day will be ruined. laughing
    1. +5
      17 November 2023 11: 48
      Thank you Michael!
      I expressed my opinion and I accept it.
      As for Charles XII, he is a very interesting figure. I even read an article where they compared Karl and Peter and how not surprising they have a lot in common in character and behavior. But Peter finished better than Karl.
      1. +5
        17 November 2023 12: 16
        Quote: ee2100
        I even read an article where they compared Karl and Peter and how not surprising they have a lot in common in character and behavior. But Peter finished better than Karl.

        In my opinion: Karl is a tactician, Peter is a strategist, and strategically he outplayed Karl outright, in the end he was overwhelmed in such a way that all his brilliant tactics (if, of course, they were brilliant?) turned out to be completely useless in front of superior enemy forces. winning a battle or two is one thing, but winning a serious war is quite another. hi
    2. +4
      17 November 2023 12: 02
      Quote: Trilobite Master
      So, on the coin there is symbolism in its most classic form - the victory of good over evil.

      In fact, this story has always been super popular in our country, just remember the “kopeck” hi
      1. +3
        17 November 2023 12: 08
        I think yes. The eternal fight against evil

        In the center of Vilnius there is a sculptural group on a building
  10. +6
    17 November 2023 13: 38
    It was very pleasant to read the article, because for people like me, living in the Mediterranean zone of Europe, this battle, like the entire Great Northern War, is practically unknown to us, we know little or nothing about it.
  11. +1
    17 November 2023 15: 41
    Quote from: Semovente7534
    It was very pleasant to read the article, because for people like me, living in the Mediterranean zone of Europe, this battle, like the entire Great Northern War, is practically unknown to us, we know little or nothing about it.


    The most important thing is that as a result, the Russian state turned into the Russian Empire, and the Tsar into the Emperor.

    IMHO, this war had the most significant consequences for our country of all our wars, starting from the Mongols and up to the 20th century.
    1. +1
      17 November 2023 16: 05
      IMHO, this war had the most significant consequences for our country of all our wars

      The most significant consequences were the War of the Spanish Succession, the course of which distracted the main European powers from a small conflict by European standards on the distant Baltic shores called the Northern War.
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        17 November 2023 16: 15
        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
        from a small conflict by European standards on the distant Baltic shores called the Northern War.

        And that France and the HRE were planning to intervene in it?
        1. +1
          17 November 2023 16: 30
          HRE
          - who is this?
          The question, according to the local administration, is short, but nevertheless...
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            17 November 2023 16: 34
            Quote from Frettaskyrandi
            - who is this?

            Holy Roman Empire.
            I apologize, I was too lazy to write in full.
            1. +1
              17 November 2023 16: 43
              Holy Roman Empire.

              Now it is clear.
              And that France and the HRE were planning to intervene in it?

              Do you think that if France, "SRI" and Britain were not drawn into a major European conflict, would they have ignored the local squabbles on the Baltic coast?
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                17 November 2023 16: 48
                Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                Do you think that if France, HRE and Britain had not been drawn into a major European conflict, they would have ignored the local squabbles on the Baltic coast?

                Why did they ever interfere in these small-town squabbles, which are almost 300 years old?
                1. +1
                  17 November 2023 16: 53
                  Why did they ever interfere in these small-town squabbles, which are almost 300 years old?

                  So, Europe has been a frozen monolith for three hundred years. Post-Trecht Europe - have you come across this term?
                  1. +3
                    17 November 2023 17: 31
                    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                    Post-Trecht Europe - have you come across this term?

                    Yes.
                    So, Europe has been a frozen monolith for three hundred years.

                    No.
                    But what historical sources are there that speak about the possible intervention of these powers in the regional conflict in North-Eastern Europe? agreement, or at least an agreement, was reflected in diplomatic activity? and so on.
                    1. +4
                      17 November 2023 18: 33
                      Quote: Mihaylov
                      But what historical sources are there that speak about the possible intervention of these powers in the regional conflict in North-Eastern Europe?

                      Well, actually, they actively interfered. I remember Makhov wrote that the Swedes were transferred to Denmark with the direct assistance of the British. And then, during peace negotiations with the Swedes, the French actively distributed bribes to our nobles for peace without annexations and indemnities (TM). True, they did not take into account the reputation of Pyotr Alekseevich.
                      Actually, that was the reason for the monetary compensation to the Swedes for the cession of Livonia and Estland. Quickly persuade the enemy before the big guys intervene.
                      1. +1
                        17 November 2023 18: 52
                        I remember Makhov wrote,
                        In addition to sailing ships, does Makhov also understand political history? This is just a question, without any ironic overtones.
                        My respect, Ivan!
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                        18 November 2023 09: 57
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        In addition to sailing ships, does Makhov also understand political history?

                        I won’t undertake to give an assessment of whether he understands it or not, but he also writes on this topic.
                        And since in this case it’s just a fact, then...
                      3. +4
                        17 November 2023 19: 01
                        Quote: Senior Sailor
                        Well, actually, they actively interfered. I remember Makhov wrote that the Swedes were transferred to Denmark with the direct assistance of the British.

                        Denmark itself has always been a figure in this conflict, although not so clearly expressed: remember only the Danish city of Tallinn.
                        The fact that the British, Dutch and even Spaniards periodically showed up in the Baltic with their own interests is also hardly a secret to anyone.
                        The question is, is the likelihood of intervention of these powers in this regional conflict confirmed by sources? Or is this speculative speculation?
                        If there is such confirmation in the sources, then I am ready to admit that “the War of the Spanish Succession saved the future of Russia,” and I myself would like to look at the actions of the Spanish tercios somewhere near Pskov: “This is the Spanish infantry and it does not give up!” (just kidding of course) laughing
                        Otherwise, endless discussions about what would have happened to us if not for Napoleon’s runny nose at Borodino are not very interesting. hi
                    2. +1
                      17 November 2023 18: 40
                      It is difficult to judge who could fit into the Northern War among the participants in the division of the Spanish inheritance, there are too many persons involved. I can imagine Prussia and the Danish-Norwegian Union, but only due to the fact that the Baltic was part of their sphere of interests.
                    3. +2
                      17 November 2023 19: 07
                      But what historical sources are there that speak about the possible intervention of these powers in the regional conflict in North-Eastern Europe? agreement, or at least an agreement, was reflected in diplomatic activity? and so on.

                      Do you trust Prince Boris Ivanovich Kurakin?
                      1. +1
                        17 November 2023 19: 21
                        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                        Do you trust Prince Boris Ivanovich Kurakin?

                        It is.
                        Why not? Such “interventions” have been very well known since the time of Gerbenstein.
                      2. +1
                        17 November 2023 19: 32
                        It is.

                        And Helga Almqvist?
                      3. +1
                        17 November 2023 19: 37
                        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                        And Helga Almqvist?

                        A Swedish historian, as I understand it, but I’m not familiar with his work.
                        And what does he claim?
                      4. +1
                        17 November 2023 19: 48
                        He describes the diplomatic efforts of France and Sweden in terms of trying to exploit the differences between Prussia and Denmark in order to draw Prussia into the war on the side of Sweden. The French government promised its corps of 30 people to help the Prussian king.
                      5. +3
                        17 November 2023 19: 59
                        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                        He describes the diplomatic efforts of France and Sweden in terms of trying to exploit the differences between Prussia and Denmark in order to draw Prussia into the war on the side of Sweden.

                        Didn’t Prussia take part in the War of the Spanish Succession on the side of the anti-French coalition?
                        Some very complex diplomatic games are being played, it’s not surprising that it didn’t happen, but the alliance between Russia and Prussia did happen.
                        I am forced to take my leave, as I am temporarily leaving the Internet space. hi
                      6. +1
                        17 November 2023 20: 19
                        Prussia accepted. And on the side of the anti-French coalition.
                      7. +1
                        17 November 2023 23: 07
                        some very complex diplomatic games are being played out

                        The “diplomatic games” of England, France, Austria, and Holland around the Northern War, especially since 1714, were indeed complex and constant. An interesting topic for an article. Only local authors ignore such topics. Or maybe they don’t know about them?
                    4. +4
                      17 November 2023 20: 13
                      If my memory serves me right, England supported Sweden, at least at sea and, in my opinion, with money.
                      In general, the Northern War was indeed a purely regional conflict, but it seems to me that if the Spanish inheritance had not happened, France, England, Austria and the rest of Spain would have perfectly found another reason to fight. And even if they had not been found and one of them decided to take part in the Northern War, their colleagues would not have failed to intervene immediately.
  12. 0
    17 November 2023 17: 49
    Excuse me, but what kind of cavalry did Sheremetyevo have? Light irregular from the Bashkirs and Tatars, armed with bows and shooting “from the saddle”? To attack, she needs flat terrain on the flanks, and there are continuous forests and swamps. Attack the guns and the line of Carolinian soldiers head-on? First they will thin out with buckshot, and then a volley at point-blank range, with bayonets. These soldiers won't run. In short, the end result will be an “attack of the light brigade” 150 years earlier. Karl simply pushed through Sheremetyev, who could do little to oppose him.
    Next, take provisions for 4 days. Good decision. There is no convoy as such, in 4 days they reached Narva, in the end the troops stationed there will share food. At the very least, we’ll defeat the Russians and then get some food.
    1. +2
      17 November 2023 18: 02
      Sheremetev had local cavalry, i.e. This is a highly professional army. And accordingly, these are weapons and ammunition.
      Local - from the word estate.
      1. 0
        17 November 2023 18: 27
        this is a highly professional army
        That is, each individual was a professional, but could they act on horseback?
        In principle, Sheremetyev had a chance to pretty much beat up the Swedes when they decided to cross to his shore. As I understand it, the problem was one thing: Sheremetyevo did not have artillery, unlike the enemy.
      2. +2
        17 November 2023 18: 35
        Quote: ee2100
        local cavalry, i.e. that's high professional army.

        You wrote the word “irregular” somehow in an intricate way. feel
        Quote: ee2100
        Local - from the word estate.

        Exactly. It requires housekeeping, not combat training. wink
        1. +2
          17 November 2023 18: 54
          irregular
          that's not mine.
          The estate is just so that problems do not arise with weapons, ammunition and would not distract him from military affairs
          1. +1
            18 November 2023 10: 18
            Quote: ee2100
            The estate is just so that problems do not arise with weapons, ammunition and would not distract him from military affairs

            As planned, it’s possible... the trouble is that in practice it was exactly the opposite.
            It seems to me that in order to be considered a combat-ready force, the local cavalry lacked two things
            1) The same logistical support. Judging by the clerks' reports, things were frankly bad with him.
            2) Combat coordination. No way with him at all!
            In fact, the nobles met with their future colleagues once a year during a review. And even then, by hook or by crook, they tried to decline such an honor by claiming to be sick. Some may have drank vodka with their neighbors and went hunting, but nothing more.
            While the Russian state waged constant wars with nomads, such a system at least worked. The nobles and Boyar children knew their colleagues, went on campaigns with them and did not live on equipment. Actually, on the serif lines they remained that way
            But by the time of the Northern War, most of the landowners were good for little other than complaining to the tsar in petitions in this style:
            “And we, your orphans, serfs, orphan slaves, eagled deer, bearded goats, striped zebras, barnyard roosters, suffered many torments from your sovereign enemies, and beat us to death, and spat on our mugs, and with our beards in the shit they pushed us, we all endured the insult for the Orthodox faith and yours, sir, and we all ran home healthy, but the Lord judged that we threw away our weapons and banners.”
      3. +2
        17 November 2023 19: 25
        Sheremetev had local cavalry, i.e. This is a highly professional army.

        How can an army that does not have systematic combat training be “highly professional”?
        1. +2
          17 November 2023 19: 46
          The point is not in the systematic preparation of an individual unit, but in the coherence of the actions of the units. The local cavalry is the essence of a knightly army, which, with a good organization of the infantry, was raked by the lyulei 400 years earlier, at Courtrai.
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            17 November 2023 23: 18
            It’s not a matter of systematic training of an individual unit, but of the coherence of the actions of the units

            "Systematic combat training", among other things, includes
            combat coordination of subunits, units, formations and their command and control bodies (headquarters) to carry out combat missions and ensure combat operations in accordance with their purpose.
  13. 0
    17 November 2023 17: 59
    It's simple, our army was poorly prepared. Previously adopted reforms have not yet taken effect. The latest achievements of military thought were not applied. Leading generals and senior officers achieved their promotions under the old system, and many were dismissed from their service altogether. At the head of the army were officers who knew little about the basics of military science. Only then were high-quality foreign instructors hired from abroad. Time was wasted. And only after the war did things move forward. And then there are only losses and losses.
    1. +3
      17 November 2023 18: 10
      In 1700, an agreement was signed with Turkey on terms acceptable to Russia. The Turks would not put up with a weak country for 30 years.
  14. +1
    17 November 2023 22: 26
    There is a slight inaccuracy in the article. The photograph shows a monument to Russian soldiers who died during the storming of Narva in 1704.
    1. +2
      18 November 2023 23: 39
      Quote: shvlad59
      There is a slight inaccuracy in the article. The photograph shows a monument to Russian soldiers who died during the storming of Narva in 1704.

      Right. A monument dedicated to the events of 1700 stands downstream of the Narova. And it looks like this

      [Center]
      1. +1
        19 November 2023 21: 04
        Thanks, that's right, I was wrong. Confused the monuments.
        Thanks for fixing it drinks
  15. +1
    20 November 2023 08: 29
    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
    IMHO, this war had the most significant consequences for our country of all our wars

    The most significant consequences were the War of the Spanish Succession, the course of which distracted the main European powers from a small conflict by European standards on the distant Baltic shores called the Northern War.


    I meant those wars in which we were directly involved and of significance - for our country, and not for Europe as a whole.

    We did not participate in the War of the Spanish Succession. And before the Northern War, our violin was almost inaudible in European concerts. But after that is another matter.
  16. +1
    20 November 2023 08: 32
    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
    Do you think that if France, HRE and Britain had not been drawn into a major European conflict, they would have ignored the local squabbles on the Baltic coast?


    There is no "would" here. As soon as the pan-European mess came to an end, Britain immediately began to act, almost leading to a war against Russia. It worked out that time.
  17. +1
    20 November 2023 08: 41
    Quote: ee2100
    The estate is just so that problems do not arise with weapons, ammunition and would not distract him from military affairs


    In general, the local cavalry is practically a militia.

    In this case, IMHO, it doesn't matter. Even Murat’s regular cavalry, in fact, in 1812 could not destroy Neverovsky’s retreating infantry division, consisting of recruits. If the infantry did not run away from fear and managed to line up in battle formation, then the cavalry without artillery could not do anything with it in those days.