T-90: “the last step” before mass serial production of the T-14 “Armata”

The T-90 is the main battle tank of the Russian Armed Forces, which was developed in the mid-80s of the last century as the main competitor to the American Abrams. Meanwhile, domestic designers, traditionally, went their own way, refusing to create a heavy vehicle similar to the MBT of the US Armed Forces, but at the same time installed on it equipment that had no analogues at that time, allowing it to fire on the move, both from a cannon and from machine guns , and at any time of the day.

The T-90 was created at Uralvagonzavod, taking into account the developments obtained during the modernization of the T-72 MBT. Overall the tank turned out great.
However, the time of its adoption (1992) fell on the so-called “dashing nineties”. As a result, due to a sharp reduction in state defense orders, the plant produced only a small batch tanks, after which the Russian Ministry of Defense completely stopped purchasing it.

Meanwhile, Uralvagonzavod did not stop producing the T-90 and began actively selling the combat vehicle for export, which made this tank the most massive serial MBT (more than 2 thousand units were produced) and is in service in many countries around the world.

The Russian Ministry of Defense again became interested in this tank in 2005. In 2020, the most “advanced” modification of the T-90M “Proryv-3” began to arrive in Russian troops. According to experts, this tank is technically advanced to such an extent that it will be the last step before the launch of the Russian fourth generation T-14 Armata tank into mass production.

It is worth adding that, unlike the same Abrams, the T-90 received an automatic loader. As a result, the crew of the combat vehicle consists of three people, and not 4, like its American competitor.

Comments

[Myths]

Before Almaty, a lot of things still need to be raised to the required level. Communications intelligence, unmanned satellites. And you should have your own production behind your back.

[FoBoss_VM]

And the very first thing that simply needs to start is to revive the school of secondary vocational education and the prestige of blue-collar professions. And so that the chief manager of the plant does not dare to receive more than twice the salary per year than a 6th grade turner of the same plant.

[Serg koma]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

And so that the chief manager of the plant does not dare to receive more than twice the salary per year than a 6th grade turner of the same plant.

This individual doesn’t have enough courage not to get his favorite salary (plus all sorts of goodies, parachutes and medals) only twice as high some kind of turner/mechanic/moulder . After all, according to Pakhomov (min. education of the Orenburg region) - everyone should work according to their calling, but only they (favorites) for money and other benefits.
So, excuse me, but you are behind the times, you still dream of social justice and equality before the Law...
However you are not alone

[Alex777]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

And so that the chief manager of the plant does not dare to receive more than twice the salary per year than a 6th grade turner of the same plant.

Do you really think that the main responsibility is
only twice as much as a 6th grade turner?

[dmlescs]

Armata is already almost 10 years old in four copies.

[Ru_Na]

You probably personally counted their number if you write about it so confidently.

[futurohunter]

At 15 (at fifteen)

The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.

[sgrabik]

Nonsense of a madman, come up with something smarter!!!

[Soldatov V.]

The whole problem is that the people who came to power in the nineties did not think for the state and people, but for the loot, for the money. What tanks, what planes. what space, dollars are the main thing in life, if anything happens we’ll give up and drink Bavarian beer and whiskey, American bourbon.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: V.

The whole problem is that the people who came to power in the nineties did not think for the state and people, but for the loot, for the money. What tanks, what planes. what space, dollars are the main thing in life, if anything happens we’ll give up and drink Bavarian beer and whiskey, American bourbon.

By the way... The odious Serdyukov feels very good. He should have been on a bunk for forty years for the collapse of the Russian army and theft on an off-scale scale - and he showed up at the arms show in Abu Dhabi - as the head of the aviation ion cluster of Russian weapons.

[tank64rus]

This one will get it right. How many people at SVO are cleaning up the affairs of “optimizers” and “reformers”. They can only manage cash flows without having any idea what they are managing. Tolyan called them “effective managers.” But this is only due to the collapse and corruption - yes. Therefore, bow to the creators and those who finally established the production of the T-90M, and maybe the Armata will still go into production.

[guest]

Quote: tank64rus

Maybe "Armata" will still go into production.

Just in what decade?

[Wratch]

Somehow you treat Serdyukov humanely... execute him by hanging forty times... and that won’t be enough!!!

[Stinging Nettle]

The whole problem is that the people who came to power in the nineties

They did not come to power in the nineties, but under the USSR they held large party posts. And after the nineties they did not sulk, but continued to sit in their chairs.
The machine-building plant and the ball bearing plant in Moscow, the Yugo-Kama plant, and the Perm bicycle plant were closed under Putin.

[KLM77]

Many people don’t think about this, they say “Putin saved Russia” and that’s all, but they don’t even think about the fact that the colonel is also to blame for the mess of the 90s. The entire current government comes from the CPSU and the Komsomol, opportunists who are not interested in anything except personal “success”.

[sgrabik]

Well, just say straight out that these were and are liberals, they still haven’t calmed down, they can’t come to terms with the fact that they are gradually becoming despised outcasts in our country, the overwhelming majority of Russian citizens hate them.

[Escariot]

The T-90A is actually a modernization of the T-72B. Moreover, at least part of the T-90A has a hull manufactured in 1989, although the T-90A itself has been produced since 1992.

[KCA]

90And this is an export version, what does 90M have to do with it?

[ln_ln]

90A is an option with a welded tower (of course, not only).

[Elk]

What did I just read :(?

[Bad thing]

I read up to the equipment that had no analogues, which made it possible to fire while moving... it seems the author himself did not read...

[mag nit]

Quote: dmlescs

Armata is already almost 10 years old in four copies.

Enough for parades.

[invisible_man]

Have you already made a new engine for the Armata?

[ln_ln]

It's called GTD-1250.
It’s just a pity that it won’t fit in a TBMP, and such a vehicle is more important than a tank.

[Amateur]

The T-90 was developed for India on its own initiative at Uralvagonzavod under the leadership of designer Vladimir Potkin in 1999.
This order saved the tank design bureau and tank production in the Russian Federation. But, unfortunately, this tank and this contract caused a heart attack and premature death of this outstanding designer and the actual savior of modern tank building in Russia
Light memory to him!

[S. Viktorovich]

Based on the experience of fighting in Ukraine, is Armata needed in the form that it currently exists? Are there any fundamental differences from the T-90?

[Alekseev]

"Are there any differences from the T-90?"
By design, of course, there is. Everything is different: layout, hull, fighting compartment, engine, power transmission, chassis.
It is possible that some electronic systems are identical.
But the combat capabilities...
Same caliber. In general, the Armata cannot be put into mass production during the war instead of the T-90M.
It is expensive and difficult to provide the required quantity.
Yes, and we need to take into account the experience of the war.
A more universal gun, so that it can fire more effectively with a PDO, perhaps various 125 and 152 mm combat modules, KAZ, anti-drone electronic warfare, etc.

[Roman Efremov]

Extremely informative article!!! Special thanks to the author for telling us about the automatic loader and the crew of 3 people!

[futurohunter]

Who wrote this joke? What does it mean: received an automatic loader? In fact, automatic loaders are installed on all domestic tanks, starting with the T-64. Throw this "author" in the neck!

[Kaufman]

Well, okay, the 90s, everything is clear. It's a thing of the past. But almost 2005 years have passed since 20!!!

[Bodipancher]

The reinforcement should have 152 mm + 30 mm as on the BMP 3. The shells are concrete-piercing, cassette and with remote detonation. Then there will be an ideal tank or self-propelled gun for storming cities and destroying fortified areas as you like. With 125 mm there is no fundamental difference with the T90.

[Zaurbek]

Looking at the use of tanks in 404, I generally get the impression that we need to switch back to rifled guns.... 122-130mm.

[Kail.kail]

Why do you think the designers made 125 mm? And what would a tank with 152 look like? I think it was not armchair experts who created the tank there.

[ln_ln]

Look in Kubinka at object 292 with a 6-inch camera.
But it was made in two versions: smooth and sliced.
195 also carried 6", but he is much healthier than 292.

[Zaurbek]

T90M is already the maximum weight limit for the bogie and T72 engine.
Some serious modernization will require a 7th roller and a new 1500 hp diesel engine. So, the development of a new T14, T15 is necessary and relevant. It doesn’t matter whether the T14 will become a Russian MBT or whether some technologies will end up in the T90M 1-2-3-4 during the next upgrades. And the new “cart” itself with 7 rollers and a 1500-2000 hp diesel engine is also needed for howitzers and other systems.

[Dedok]

It is worth adding that, unlike the same Abrams, the T-90 received an automatic loader. As a result, the crew of the combat vehicle consists of three people, and not 4, like its American competitor.

What is this phrase about?

[Vashek]

Abrams's Negro, unlike our tanks, loads a unitary projectile with a long uranium core, which increases its armor penetration.

[t7310]

with long uranium core

What increases its radioactivity and now increased radioactivity is being recorded in Britain, like this

[Zaurbek]

The uranium core itself is an integral part of the crowbar...

[Dedok]

Quote from: FoBoss_VM

And the very first thing that simply needs to start is to revive the school of secondary vocational education and the prestige of blue-collar professions. And so that the chief manager of the plant does not dare to receive more than twice the salary per year than a 6th grade turner of the same plant.

then it won’t be capitalism anymore... and some people won’t agree to that

[Vashek]

The T-90M included everything that was worthwhile and had been developed for the T-14, and the Armata itself is an extremely unsuccessful development that will never go into production. The thin, leaky turret is the cannon casing. The instruments on it are knocked out - the crew below can’t see a damn thing and can only play Tetris. Not a single new foreign development repeats these mistakes.

[75 Sergey]

You are carrying a pig, you have to try very hard to knock it out, just like on any tank.

[Vashek]

Any tank has a simplified manual mode for operators in the turret. And here it’s empty if the petalism disappears. But the tower does not support 30 mm armor-piercing.

[JD1979]

This is rather the last step before the T-55). There is a lot of technology being produced, and a lot of it needs to be produced. And the T-14 essentially turned out to be a tank of “maximum parameters” like the T-64 in its time. And its mass release in wartime is impossible. Even now, apparently, it is difficult to collect in commercial quantities, despite the “successfully” overcome sanctions. And what a monster it is... A shed the size of a Merkava with an incomprehensible tower, which probably protects its contents with the help of the holy spirit. There is a pending issue with the engine, which, if not resolved, will put an end to the entire project. Engines... wherever you spit, they are everywhere, or rather their absence.

[75 Sergey]

Someone's "maximum parameters"?! Yes, you can cram 152 mm onto it, the engine is gas turbine and the weight reserve is wow!

[JD1979]

Quote: 75Sergey

Someone's "maximum parameters"?!

You don't quite understand the meaning of this term. I advise you to watch historical videos from UVZ; they explain well what and why. Why did they want the T-64, but in the end came to the T-72? The T-14 (one might say the modern T-64) is a peacetime tank; in war conditions it has too many bottlenecks in the form of the only manufacturers of critical systems, the destruction of which stops production completely. Therefore, most likely, having understood the situation with it, as the first car of the family, they slowed down everything else, both on this platform and the Boomerang.

[pettabyte]

This is a peacetime tank, in war conditions it has too many bottlenecks in the form of the only manufacturers of critical systems

The hope is that, like 64ka\80ka, it will serve as a source of experience for new analogues 72\90.
Another thing is that it wasn’t worth inflating PR as they did, they once promised that there would already be thousands of them, but that’s how it is.

[ln_ln]

The T-14 has not been accepted for service, so it’s more likely an object 148.
And its analogy was rather object 140, which Kartsev himself closed.
Tagil is unlucky in this top ten...

[ln_ln]

“Tank of maximum parameters” is a term introduced by N. F. Shashmurin, and has nothing to do with the T-64, rather the opposite.

[AlOrg]

But our Defense Ministry was not interested in anything before the Northern Military District. Which way do you look at it? Everywhere you turned out to be unprepared.

[bone1]

And without the “last steps” of Armata, is it not possible?

[75 Sergey]

The T-90 is closer to the mobilization tank of a war of attrition, the Armata is a blitzkrieg tank.

[MONEY]

Yes, there won’t be any hundreds of “Armat”, “Economically unprofitable. Technologically, difficult to produce?? And this “monster” is very crude, and very unfinished!!

[pettabyte]

mass serial production of T-14 "Armata"

There's one thing that confuses me.
Armor.
The forehead of the hull is great, but what about the sides of the armored capsule?
Also a roof (with the advent of all sorts of quads it became important) and a bottom.
If the sides are composite, that would be awesome, especially not at a right angle of fire.
Well, the tower, on the diagrams available on the Internet, it seems as if they were looking for armor there because it is uninhabited.

[MSN]

but at the same time they installed equipment that had no analogues at that time,

magic phrase - you don’t have to read any further.

[storm]

Since tanks are used 99% as a means of artillery support, the main caliber must be increased to 152 mm, while reducing the barrel length.
To combat tank-dangerous infantry and drones, install a twin 30 mm cannon on the turret with the ability to fire shells with remote detonation.
Electronic warfare equipment of several types.
4-6 reconnaissance and strike drones (as consumables).