The new military Glock guns go to the British military

The British military will switch to new pistols.

As reported on Friday, 11 in January, BBC News, the Ministry of Defense signed a contract worth 14,5 million dollars for the purchase of over 25 thousands of Austrian Glock pistols.

According to the British information service, the replacement for the Browning Hi-Power 9-mm pistols, which were put into service in the 1967 year, will come from the faster-firing Glock 17. Austrian pistols are also designed for caliber 9x19 millimeters and come with magazines for 17 rounds, while Browning holds 13 rounds.

Glock 17’s initial bullet speed is 375 meters per second versus Browning Hi-Power’s 335. The Austrian pistol wins in bulk: fully equipped, it weighs 905 grams. Curb Browns weight - 1,06 kilogram. In this case, Glock 17 allows you to more accurately hit targets at a distance of 10 - 25 meters. The target range of both pistols reaches 50 meters.

As noted, the Glock 17 was tested for 18 months in different climates.

Glock pistols are in service with almost 50 countries around the world, including the United States, Sweden, Poland, the Netherlands, Georgia and Malaysia. In 2009, Glock 17 began to be purchased for the special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia.

Comments

[Sergh]

Well, the benefits were written in the article ?! Weight 11 grams less, bullet speed 40 m / s more, I roll. Well, maybe there’s more to be said than you can truly boast of? It remains only to rejoice about 17 rounds.

[sergo0000]

Sergh,
I greet the namesake! I think if our specialists adopted it, then there is probably some good in it! Although, of course, I’m not happy that my developments that exceed the same glock are not visible.

[knyazDmitriy]

Good afternoon!
You're wrong, the same Serdyukov pistol is clearly no worse, but also more powerful

[tronin.maxim]

Well, probably the new model (in its true sense) did not have enough mind!

[Sergh]

sergo0000,

Quote: sergo0000

if our specialists took it into service, then there must be some good

Hi-hi guys!
Yes, I watched, I ate conversation on firing with these specialists. Someone drove into them like a zombie that Glock is an alien development, so they threw everything on their loopholes behind the Glocks, they say, wait, they say, look at least at ours, shoot once, somewhere, only the heels sparkled .
I’ll try to find a video with the conversation of our gunsmiths, but I don’t promise.

[sergo0000]

Sergh,
Yes, and bought at Taburetkin. Maybe Rogozin, coupled with Shoigu, will be more loyal to our developments and designers. I really want to hope. But still, the last word is for the specialists.

[aleksandrik]

Yes, and bought at Taburetkin. Maybe Rogozin, coupled with Shoigu, will be more loyal to our developments and designers. I really want to hope. But still, the last word is for the specialists.

The fact that this is a development of domestic designers should not give any carte blanche or handicap ... Or maybe let Lada Priora with a BMW three-ruble note also compare Lada’s current with 100 points plus, let’s throw it for OUR!

You can buy using a system close to the auto industry ... take a license and open production lines in the Russian Federation! With small quantities, just buy abroad!

[Rustam]

Yes, and bought at Taburetkin
________
Tell me what does the Ministry of Internal Affairs (which Glok17 is in service with) have to Serdyukov and the army ???

not a bad example, specialists from the Ministry of Internal Affairs are satisfied

and Yarygin goes to the army, so it’s inappropriate to distort

photo Interpolitech stand of Glock company

[PSih2097]

so they threw all of theirs and over the embrasures behind the Glocks, they are told, wait, they say, look at least at ours, shoot once, somewhere, only the heels sparkled.

I saw this, but only because of the Beretta 92 ...

[Ascetic]

Quote: Sergh

I’ll try to find a video with the conversation of our gunsmiths, but I don’t promise

Here is a video from the "Military Secret"
Yarygin's pistol against Austrian Glock

[bootlegger]

They wrote already that this comparison is not correct.
Glock is compared to a Viking, a sporty and weakened version of the Yarygin pistol.

In the sports version of the MP-446C Viking pistol, to exclude the possibility of firing live ammunition with increased power, the strength of a number of parts was reduced, as a result, the pistol's service life was reduced. So, the extractor’s tooth breaks after 500-3 shots, the trigger pulls through ~ 000 shots, the barrel needs to be replaced after ~ 7 shots, the plastic frame withstands about 000-10 thousand shots (usually breaks in the area of ​​the rod hole shutter lag) ... On the scale of sports shooting, the MP-000C resource rarely exceeds a year of service. [10]

[Pimply]

Shot from Glock?

[Mikhado]

Quote: tronin.maxim

Well, probably the new model (in its true sense) did not have enough mind!

Conservatives, ehhhh !!!
With their island braking, this is a very new model

[lotus04]

Let them move. And about our developments - they are not visible, but they are. As usual, in the news footage, on neutralizing any criminal group, something unusual will flash. There is such a national Russian tradition, I don’t want to classify everything for the most part.

[Sergh]

Quote: lotus04

they are not visible, but they are

Yes, somehow it's time to open your eyes. I'm only from one brand "Gryazev-Shipunov", already looking around. In short, everything about GSH-18 is already in the know, but I will repeat myself. Consider the weight, cartridges, speed in m / s, you yourself will find, and the replaceability of the ammunition.



Well, from the principle of the bourgeoisie will not buy our weapons in Russia, this is such a ram with the inscription of an elephant. And to hell with them, we would have an advertisement in a louder, wider way, otherwise everything is silent, yes silent.
The performance characteristics of the GSH-18
USM - double action
Caliber, mm - 9x19 mm Para, 9x19 mm PBP (7N31)
Overall dimensions, mm - 184x136x34
Empty weight, g - 580
Barrel length, mm - 103
Rifling - 6 right polygonal
Pitch rifling, mm - 250
Magazine capacity - 18 [/ b
] The initial speed of the armor-piercing bullet, m / s - 535 – 600 Feet

[Mikhado]

I myself respect GSh-18 very much and are still at a loss as to why we DO NOT have it in service ....

[Sergh]

Quote: Mikhado

why we do not have it in service ....

They started, brothers started, waking up slowly. Even if they even each other, it’s useful to move your brains.

[avt]

Quote: Mikhado

I myself respect GSh-18 very much and are still at a loss as to why we DO NOT have it in service ..

Because you need to make a decision, establish normal production with an updated machine park and qualified personnel, arrange, in a similar way, the release of cartridges for which this barrel was designed, well, that's about the minimum. Otherwise, it will remain the next museum exhibit in the Tula Museum and again without high-quality production that you want to draw on the drawings, even though a space blaster, crap will turn out at the output. And you can bring it to mind quite quickly, would be a desire

[Sleptsoff]

Well, were you charged with patriotism from contemplation of the next "miracle that has no analogue"? And the commentators probably even had an erection, they talked so pathetically about the plastic case and other insignificant tinsel, but for some reason they forgot to mention the shitty quality of steel and the workmanship about frequent jamming. The main advantage of the gsh is the cartridge and EVERYTHING, otherwise it is the vyser of Russian gunsmiths made on the knee. It seems that our current generation of gunsmiths can no longer do anything worthwhile without a kick in the ass, have chtoli become lazy or are talents extinct?

[aleksandrik]

Well, were you charged with patriotism from contemplation of the next "miracle that has no analogue"? And the commentators probably even had an erection, they talked so pathetically about the plastic case and other insignificant tinsel, but for some reason they forgot to mention the shitty quality of steel and the workmanship about frequent jamming.

And here it is typical ... all that is western is crap, and all that is domestic has no analogues))) Even more than deserved criticism is not accepted! How much iveko was poured over with a Tiger compared))) Which, apart from a plus in the best cross-country ability, could not be contrasted :) That's the way with almost everything, we have 1 plus and 10 minuses

[Sleptsoff]

Secret gun is already paranoia. Maybe there in the commercials foreign models flickered, it never occurred to me?

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Sergh

Weight 11 grams less, bullet speed 40 m / s more, I roll.

Well, not 11g, but 100. And the speed is 40m / s higher for a pistol, plus the capacity of the store. Taken together, all these "little things" make the Glock noticeably better. But it's interesting that the Brits themselves were not able to make such a pistol, which means that the German-Austrian weapons school surpassed the English one.

[Pimply]

Not eleven, but 100 grams. Muzzle velocity is higher. The resource of the barrel is an order of magnitude higher. Etc.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Pimply

The resource of the barrel is an order of magnitude higher.

What does this follow from?

[mogus]

after the consumption of cartridges can be used as a sledgehammer 900 grams ...

[lechatormosis]

25 glocks will not be enough for England. A trial batch is most likely.

[PSih2097]

they still have as many in the Secret Intelligence Service ...

[Pimply]

This is for the army. Army pistols do not need so much.

[taseka]

Bewitch the lines of our weapons! At 15-25 meters, a well-aimed bullet will dump anyone in the forehead!

[omsbon]

Good afternoon, Alexander! What is this gun in the picture?

[bdolah]

10 mm Izhevsk traumatic, either under some kind of model of an old beret, or under Korovin ..

[Strashila]

The open recognition of the British in losing to crime.

[Pimply]

What does it have to do with a gun being bought for the army?

[Sleptsoff]

Austrian weapons are one of the best in the world in terms of quality and reliability and culture of production. One glance at the photo shows that THING!

[Barmalei]

I fully and completely support ... though bitter, but it's true

[bdolah]

He is also afraid of low temperatures (below 20 degrees Celsius), more than once there was a destruction of plastic parts when fired from a frozen pistol.

[Pimply]

Proof Link, pliz

[Barmalei]

For those who respect the GSH-18, never once holding it in their hands:
- having tried to equip the GSh magazine with ammunition at least once, you will cease to admire so much this miracle of our defense ... after the twelfth cartridge without an additional device it is almost impossible to equip the magazine with ammunition, and if it is even in the cold, then in general!
- the pistol (GS) shoots with 9x19 rounds, but it is not said anywhere that there is no accuracy at all when shooting Luger cartridges. As a specialist from the factory producing this gun said ... it was developed under the cartridge 7N31 and all the characteristics indicated in the media are with this cartridge. Only these cartridges in the afternoon with fire you will not find ...
Of course there are pluses:
-convenient ergonomics;
-easy;
-if you use a 7H31 cartridge, it’s very powerful! Punching ability is incredible;
-convenient sighting device for high-speed shooting ...
But if we compare with Glock, then my choice remains with Glock ... he certainly has lower characteristics, but he does not have such large jambs as in GSH-18, which negate all his advantages. The GSh-18 pistol is not bad, but VERY !!! "raw" it is still to be finalized and finalized ...

Sleptsoff,
I fully and completely support ... though bitter, but it's true

[avt]

Quote: Barmalei

The GSh-18 pistol is not bad, but VERY !!! "raw" it still needs to be finalized

And who argues, of course, it is necessary and always worked out earlier according to the results of military operation! And that 9x19 is not his native cartridge, the same is true of the barrel and was made under his original cartridge, it is just possible to use this supply without danger to the user's health , and the fact that there are no cartridges is not for engineers, just the customer needs to decide what kind of fighters they will eventually equip and which cartridge will be launched into the series. Concerning the store - they did not give much information, in the sense it is not clear whether there is a design flaw, or not a high-quality spring and the assembly can not be determined right away.

[Barmalei]

The main problem of the store is an attempt to push there, well, at least one cartridge more than Glock's ... a very stiff spring and a strong tilt of the pistol grip. Weakening the spring can not solve the problem ...

[Barmalei]

And I forgot ... on the GSH-18 the likeness of the Glockovsky fuse - on the trigger, and so, it’s also not a very convenient thing. Descent to GSh-tight with a long course. The return spring is very tight. Fingers slide off when loading quickly. In short, there are a lot of flaws and they are significant.

[Navuxonastupil]

Quote: taseka

Bewitch the lines of our weapons! At 15-25 meters, a well-aimed bullet will dump anyone in the forehead!

It’s fascinatingly fascinating, trembling in the genitals! Especially when you consider that the photo you attached shows a Turkish-made traumatic gun

http://www.armsgroup.ru/catalog.php?id=252&cat=150

[bdolah]

And exactly Turkish? And then the very word "stalker" is our own, introduced into everyday life by the Strugatskys, and the speed of 350-380 m / s declared in the link is embarrassing - Makarov has 325 m / s. Not too much for a traumatic person, there probably does not smell like a stopping effect, at such speeds it is most likely penetrating ...

[Pimply]

Under the Russian market. Injuries in the world are not very common.

[Slavs]

One of the meanings of the word stalk is sneaking, the verb to stalk is to sneak up (for game, for example), stalker is a seeker in a free translation ... So the word is not ours, much less native. In general, this word has several meanings ... Everything is in the dictionary)) The Strugatsky see, in English they worked not only within the framework of the school curriculum ...)

[avt]

Quote: bdolah

And then the very word "stalker" is our own, introduced into everyday life by the Strugatskys,

I recommend looking at a good English - Russian dictionary, make sure that the Strugatskys are not close to this "letter combination", especially in the slang sense of the word.

[CCA]

I agree with "Ascetic" ... According to the test results, in 2000 the pistol (named MP-443 "Rook") became the winner of the competition. In 2003, under the name "9-mm Yarygin pistol" (PY), it was adopted by the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation (Russian Armed Forces). On October 9, 2008, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Russia announced the transition from a Makarov pistol to a Yarygin pistol as a standard weapon.
Weight, 950 g
Length, mm 198
Barrel length, mm 112,5
Width, mm 38
Height, mm 145
Caliber, mm 9×19 mm Parabellum, 9×19 mm 7Н21
Initial bullet speed, m / s 465
Sighting range, m 50
Maximum range, m 100
Type of ammunition magazine for 18 rounds; until 2004 release - for 17 rounds

[Pimply]

Have you heard about him?

[Chicot 1]

The Glock took place. Moreover, it took place a long time ago. And it took place precisely as a practical weapon. It is a fact. Not admitting this fact is at least not very smart. Even with an ultra-patriotic attitude ...
The fact that he is slowly but surely spreading through the law enforcement agencies of various countries is not surprising. He deserved it ...

And the fact that he appeared with us is terrible, and even more so there is nothing deadly. Our units used American M1911A1 pistols, Czech Scorpion submachine guns, and British Super Match sniper rifles. As you can see, this did not end the world ...

And the fact that domestic gunsmiths are lagging behind foreign ones in the field of creating official short-barreled firearms is also a fact. To my great regret ...
But this is not their fault. Since starting with the adoption of the PM and APS (which is 1951) until the end of the 1980s. the topic of service short-barreled weapons (as well as PP) was thoroughly abandoned ... And catching up and catching up is very, very difficult, however ... However, I already wrote about this in one of the topics devoted to the comparison of "Rook" and "Glock "...

[Yves762]

Quote: Chicot 1

But this is not their fault. Since starting with the adoption of PM and APS (and this is 1951) until the end of the 1980s. the topic of official short-barreled weapons (as well as PP) was thoroughly abandoned here ... But catching up and catching up is very, very difficult, however ...

- I’m not sure that spending budget money on import purchases will positively affect the quality of the product (not only small arms) of domestic gunsmiths ...

[Normal]

At the beginning of the article's comments, "patriotism", inappropriate in this case, simply rolls over. And Glock is not good for our patriots. Whether it is "Yarygin" The fact that "Rook" is not really important shit, it is important that this shit is ours, and your shit doesn't stink. After all, what does it mean that Yarygin's pistol is not as convenient and reliable as the Glock? What a place for him .... in a museum ... at best. In addition, he collapsed in the place with the store. Imagine that you have a Kalashnikov rifle falling apart in your hands. Does not work? And "Rook" is falling apart. But we boldly oppose it to the Glock with a resource of half a lemon of shots. There is no need to talk about workmanship and ease of use, everything is clear in advance.
But then GSh-18 appears to help Yarygin and the attack on Glock resumes from the other side. Well, everyone is good at GSH -18. And lighter and more cartridges. True, you need "your own" cartridge and equipping a miracle store is a problem. But is this a disadvantage if we are talking about ours, dear and homegrown? Of course not, everyone knows that our weapons school is the best in the world. Where was the Ak-47 created? That's the same.
It doesn't matter that even in the video you can see how the GSh-18 throws up when firing, and as a result, how much lower the accuracy and rate of fire are. The main thing is to be proud of "ours" and it doesn't matter that "ours" were not even close to lying with Glock.
We need to take a sober look at the state of affairs. Just because AK-47 was created here does not mean that all subsequent small arms are no worse than foreign ones. Glock is decent years old, and he has established himself with the best hand in the world. And our developments, no matter how much we praise them, can not yet compete with him. And it's not about advertising, marketing or Hollywood. AK-47 did not need these little things in order to win worldwide recognition.
I think that neither the Rook nor the GSh-18, unlike the Glock, is in danger.

[Kars]

Quote: Normal

unlike Glock, it does not threaten.

I remember how he was advertised in Die Hard 2.

On the topic, we don’t buy either one)) and AK-74 will be issued

[Normal]

Quote: Kars

I remember how he was advertised in Die Hard 2.

If I'm not mistaken, Glock, Smith-Wesson, Sieg-Sauer and even Heckler-Koch PSP (P-7) were advertised in Die Hard, and Desert Eagle is probably "advertised" in every second action movie. But all this does not detract from the dignity of the Glock

Quote: Kars

On the topic, we don’t buy either one)) and AK-74 will be issued

It would not be enough to buy yet. And even if you buy, then again Glock - it won't fall apart in your hands, unlike "Yarygin"

[Yuri11076]

In 2009, Glock 17 began to purchase for the Russian Interior Ministry special forces. I am terrified, we have a lot of decent pistols developed, and we buy glocks ...

[MRomanovich]

Quote: Pimply

Have you heard about him?

there were reviews and not one and alas, not the most positive, they say the workmanship is especially lame.

[Barmalei]

Normal,

Quote: Normal

And "Rook" is falling apart

The sports version of the Rook-MP-446C “Viking” is falling apart in which, to exclude the possibility of firing live ammunition with increased power (7N21 and 7N31), the strength of a number of parts is reduced. Glock incidentally from these cartridges also falls apart .... saw with my own eyes.