Expedition to the ancestors. New migrations of ancient peoples

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Expedition to the ancestors. New migrations of ancient peoples
Mace from the local history museum in Pyatigorsk. Photo by the author


The Lord walked before them by day in a pillar of cloud,
showing them the way, and at night in a pillar of fire,
giving light to them, that they may go day and night.

Book of Exodus 13:21–22



And now the commander called them to him.
Sing a song, sing.
“One of you will go to the West,
To the Far East is different.”
The friends smiled. Well! Trifle
Sing a song, sing.
“I’m tired of you,” one said.
“And you to me,” said the other.

The play "Glory". V. Gusev

Migrants and migrations. We don't know how or how it ended story those who lived in Gobekli Tepe and in other places marked on the map given here. Looking at it, you can immediately understand that the “big center”, which was Gobekli Tepe, also had peripheral, “small centers” of a similar culture, and that the area that it somehow covered was quite large.

And the question is: did this culture disappear due to some natural reasons, did it transform into something new, or did its bearers migrate to some other areas?


Gobekli Tepe cultural centers: big “T” - Gobekli Tepe; small “t” – similar buildings. “Circles” are round stone buildings. Vertical lines “I” – stone pillars. Rice. A. Shepsa

One of the previous materials also discussed the fact that the spread of agriculture in Western Europe was associated not so much with population migrations from Asia, but with contacts of aborigines who learned advanced agricultural methods from each other. But…

No one completely denies the presence and fact of migration. That is, all those thousands of years that the inhabitants of the same Gobekli Tepe built their temples, in some other areas people moved from one place to another, walking not hundreds, but even thousands of kilometers.

Moreover, it was at this same time that the so-called Proto-Indo-Europeans appeared. But, as it turned out, they have so many roots that it’s simply impossible to tell about them all in detail, but the main hypotheses about where they came from can and should be told, especially since with our Asian settlements, for example, the same Çatalhöyük, some of them are closely connected.

So, today we will talk about the homeland of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, that is, where, simply put, they came from.

When a hypothesis drives a hypothesis...


VO readers love to look for those to blame for the fact that some of the mysteries of history are not revealed the way they would like. And they blame for this... historians who do not allow other historians to “discover the truth”, officials who do not allow an analysis of the stones from which the Egyptian pyramids are made, in a word – “certain dark forces”, of which there are a dime a dozen around us.

In fact, this is not so: if you have evidence, put forward any theory, even if it may discredit someone. Everyone will only be happy about something new, as long as it stands on a solid foundation. And the fact that there are a lot of theories explaining the origin of the Indo-Europeans is the best proof of this. If I found at least something, I immediately came up with a new theory, but what? Others can, but I can’t!

Therefore, one should not be surprised that today there are many theories, of which the “kurgan hypothesis,” which appeared back in 1956, is the most widespread. She calls the Volga and Black Sea steppes the ancestral homeland of the Indo-Europeans, where cultures such as Samara, Sredny Stog, Khvalyn and Yamnaya arose and developed.

Moreover, having appeared in one place (it is believed that this happened as a result of a mutation that gave strong and viable offspring!) place, the great-great-ancestors of modern Indo-Europeans first of all began to migrate to the south, west, east and north of their ancestral home. The ancestors of the Baltic peoples and Slavs occupied the original area for the longest time.

Why is this version the most common?


Map of the distribution of Proto-Indo-European tribes in accordance with the “kurgan hypothesis”. Rice. A. Shepsa

Yes, simply because it is the easiest to confirm! I found a mound - large or small, dug it up, discovered a burial, and in it the corresponding grave goods - that's all, it means that they lived here.

There is a Baltic-Black Sea hypothesis, the essence of which is that already in the Mesolithic (8500–5000 BC), Proto-Indo-Europeans lived in vast territories between the Black and Baltic seas.

The Balkan hypothesis moves the ancestral home of the Proto-Indo-Europeans to Central Europe and the Balkan Peninsula, identifying their culture with the culture of the tribes that made linear-band ceramics.

The Anatolian hypothesis is also very interesting, which calls Çatalhöyük a settlement of Indo-Europeans, and claims that it was its inhabitants who migrated from Anatolia to South-Eastern Europe.

And these are archaeological cultures that, according to researchers, belong to the Proto-Indo-Europeans:

Grebenikov culture (7000–5500 BC);
Çatalhöyük culture (6800–5500 BC);
Bug-Dniester culture (5500–4800 BC);
Starcevo-Krisha culture (5000–4500 BC);
Crimean culture (4900–3400 BC);
Sur-Dnieper culture (4900–3800 BC);
Azov culture (4900–4500 BC);
Linear Band Ware culture (4500–4000 BC);
Vinca culture (4400–3500 BC);
Boyan culture (4390–4100 BC);
Dnieper-Donetsk culture (early stage) (4200–3800 BC);
Gumelnitsa culture (4000–3000 BC);
Lengyel culture (4000–2700 BC);
Trypillian culture (IV–II millennium BC).


Oh, if only culture spread consistently...


That is, wherever you dig in all these areas, you will find Proto-Indo-European culture. And they all differed from each other in some way, but also had a number of common features. And this, by the way, is much more interesting than the “buried stones” of Gobekli Tepe.

Why did the cultures of ancient peoples living close to each other differ from each other? And often very significantly!


And this is how copper and bronze spread in Western Europe...

How much simpler our history would be if cultural changes spread in waves and successively replaced each other. That is, in one place, a fashion arose for pots decorated with ribbon ornaments and... People began to adopt them from each other, and after some time we find such pots everywhere, and the radiocarbon method of dating the remains of carbon-containing materials would show us the time of that or another pot. Then we could accurately determine the speed of migration of the carriers of a particular culture, or... the speed of the spread of fashion for certain pots.

But what is not there is not there. Our distant ancestors did not want to copy their neighbors in everything, and by doing so they seriously complicated the work of archaeologists and historians today!

Horse and wheel


The main achievement of the people who lived in the “green zone” of the spread of Sredny Stog and Samara cultures was that it was here that the horse was domesticated. That this is so is proven by burials that contain both human and horse bones.

The people of Srednistogov were farmers and cattle breeders. They kept sheep, goats, pigs, dogs, and horses. The deceased were buried in graves in a crouched position and sprinkled with ocher, and a stone ax was placed on the men.

The Samarians, on the contrary, built a small hill above the burial, but a large one above the burials of the leaders.

What can be said about the life of people of these cultures based on finds in burials?

That they lived in small settlements, raised livestock and were engaged in agriculture. No metal products were found in the Samara burials. Perhaps they had a semi-nomadic lifestyle - if the land in the fields was depleted, they moved to virgin lands.

It is important that they already had wheeled transport - carts harnessed to oxen and short horses.

According to the “Kurgan theory”, the people of Sredny Stog and the ancient Samarans spoke an Indo-European proto-language.


A typical splitting axe. Local Lore Museum of Pyatigorsk. Author's photo

On their basis, the Khvalynsk culture arose, which is also called “proto-kurgan”. Its representatives already knew how to process copper, and were also cattle breeders and horse breeders.

All these cultures in turn gave rise to the Yamnaya culture of the late Chalcolithic and early Bronze Age. Moreover, it was also a nomadic pastoralist, but with elements of hoe farming. Hoes were made from bones (horns). The “Yamniki” also knew how to make four-wheeled carts, the remains of which in Eastern Europe were found in the burial mounds of the Yamnaya culture (“Sentry grave” on the territory of the Dnieper, a burial ground near the village of Yasski in the Odessa region, the Shumaevsky burial ground in the Orenburg region, etc.) .


Image of an ancient chariot

The Yamniki buried their dead in pits over which they built a mound. Even animals were buried: cows, pigs, sheep, goats and horses. From the Danube in the west to the headwaters of the Manych River in the east, 160 burials of the Yamnaya culture were discovered, in which the remains of wheeled vehicles, clay models of carts and their images were found. Moreover, there are also remains of two-wheeled carts, which were clearly not vehicles.

Migrants and migrations


So what happens? And in the “pre-wheelie period” of their history, people constantly moved from place to place.

There is a lot of evidence that such movements took place both in the Paleolithic era and later, in the Mesolithic, and already in the Neolithic era they became, one might say, permanent. But…

The lack of transport made their travel rather slow, although, of course, people sailed along rivers and seas on rafts and boats, including reed boats.


Chariots of Saimala-Tash

But in the steppes of Eastern Europe, people finally managed to domesticate the horse, came up with the wheel, a four-wheeled cart and a war chariot on two wheels and...

They immediately rolled at them in different directions! Moreover, some went west (“one of you will go to the West!”), while others, as if by agreement (“the other one will go to the Far East”), went east.

To a certain extent, they became cultural leaders among the peoples they met, as they brought with them horse breeding skills, cheekpieces, and introduced them to a unique type of transport - the horse-drawn carriage.

And the impression this made on the aborigines is evidenced by the images of these carts carved on rocks in different regions of Siberia.

Now the speed of migration has sharply accelerated, and accordingly the development of civilization as a whole has gained momentum!

To be continued ...
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  1. +6
    27 October 2023 05: 20
    Traditional THANK YOU!
    I know that the administration robot will swear, so I say good Friday to everyone!!!
    And not the native from the story with a long half-page title about Robinson Cruz! laughing
    1. +5
      27 October 2023 06: 57
      Good afternoon, Vladislav!

      Everyone has their own way of dealing with brevity.

      Although the very fact of such a struggle causes rejection.
    2. +3
      27 October 2023 11: 25
      Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
      Traditional THANK YOU!
      I know that the administration robot will swear, so I say good Friday to everyone!!!
      And not the native from the story with a long half-page title about Robinson Cruz! laughing

      + 10!
  2. +6
    27 October 2023 05: 23
    The author has already published many articles on this topic, however, the migration of ancient people has never been touched upon in the light of DNA genealogy. But this is a very precise science, showing who moved where and where and explains a lot, unlike some mounds and clay pots found...
    1. +7
      27 October 2023 06: 20
      Very true remark!
      But in order to write about DNA genealogy, you need to understand it at least a little.
      Yes, the data obtained by scientists studying DNA very often contradicts the arrows drawn on the map by historians.
      1. +3
        27 October 2023 06: 49
        Quote: ee2100
        the data obtained by scientists studying DNA very often contradicts the arrows drawn on the map by historians.

        Do you consider history an exact science?
        1. +6
          27 October 2023 07: 31
          History is in second place in accuracy after religion.
          1. +8
            27 October 2023 08: 28
            Quote: ee2100
            History is second in accuracy after religion

            That's for sure! wink
      2. +5
        27 October 2023 07: 00
        Don't know. The arrows do not affect the listing of crops.

        Plants are now undergoing genetic analysis.
        But if you rely only on it in search of the relationship and origin of species, the picture may change.

        The taxonomy is good, but it is often played like gypsies with the sun.
    2. +5
      27 October 2023 06: 30
      Quote: Luminman
      however, the migration of ancient people has never been addressed in the light of DNA genealogy. But this is a very exact science...

      Is there such a science? request
      1. +2
        27 October 2023 06: 49
        Quote: Tlauicol
        Is there such a science?

        Unlike history, science is exact!
        1. +4
          27 October 2023 07: 19
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Is there such a science?

          Unlike history, science is exact!

          Unlike history, DNA genealogy is not a science at all. Yes . To be even more precise (you like precision, don’t you?) - this is science that is FALSE
          1. +6
            27 October 2023 07: 45
            Paleogenetics, DNA geneology, population geneology is a field of research.
            In its pure form, they are not science, they are research at the intersection of sciences.
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 08: 15
              Quote: ee2100
              In its pure form, they are not science, they are research at the intersection of sciences

              The study of the Y chromosome, as well as human DNA, is not science in your opinion? Do you know that Nobel Prizes are awarded for such research?
              1. +4
                27 October 2023 09: 20
                Quote: Luminman
                The study of the Y chromosome, as well as human DNA, is not science in your opinion?

                This is a method of scientific research. One of...
              2. +3
                27 October 2023 12: 18
                DNA research is undoubtedly a science. But I’m not sure about the attempt to extend these studies to historical processes... Because there is too much room for manipulation.
          2. +6
            27 October 2023 08: 08
            If you find out, for example, after a DNA test that one child is not yours, then let your wife prove that this is FALSE science.
            1. +1
              27 October 2023 08: 43
              Quote: ee2100
              If you find out, for example, after a DNA test that one child is not yours, then let your wife prove that this is FALSE science.

              Well done. negative
              I didn't expect such crap from you
              1. +5
                27 October 2023 09: 44
                Don't think of me worse than I am.
                The sentence begins with the words "for example".
                And nothing more.
            2. +1
              27 October 2023 15: 39
              You confuse fresh with sour....
          3. +3
            27 October 2023 08: 21
            Quote: Tlauicol
            Unlike history, DNA genealogy is not a science at all.

            In history, from very ancient times to modern times, for every event there are at least two opposing explanations. Least! Maybe even more - it all depends on the views of the historian and the desire of his left heel. Where is the accuracy here, can you explain? Just don’t talk about mounds, found pots and arrowheads. I can explain all this in ten ways without leaving the couch, like anyone historian...
            1. +2
              27 October 2023 08: 48
              I did not call history an exact science. What should I explain?
              You called DNA genealogy an “exact science,” and you demand an answer from me. Deftly
            2. +2
              27 October 2023 08: 48
              I did not call history an exact science. What should I explain?
              You called DNA genealogy an “exact science,” and you demand an answer from me. Deftly
        2. +6
          27 October 2023 07: 24
          And in isolation from general historical science - absolutely theoretical garbage!
          1. +5
            27 October 2023 07: 37
            Here. In general, the use of one method often resembles the Sufi parable of the elephant and the blind men.
            1. +4
              27 October 2023 08: 32
              Quote from Korsar4
              In general, the use of one method often resembles a Sufi parable

              It depends on what method. If you add another to one unit, you get the same result. And even a hundred academicians will not be able to refute this. Many of us went through this in our school arithmetic course...
              1. +4
                27 October 2023 10: 10
                In this case, arithmetic is the method.

                But in geodesy or taxation, many similar methods may have errors.

                And here we go back into the depths of centuries.

                So it all depends on the tasks, techniques and tools.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2023 11: 13
                  Quote from Korsar4
                  In this case, arithmetic is the method

                  It's like that. But I’ll just clarify - the method is precise and reinforced concrete...
        3. +2
          27 October 2023 10: 13
          Quote: Luminman
          Quote: Tlauicol
          Is there such a science?

          Unlike history, science is exact!

          Yep philosophy!
    3. +6
      27 October 2023 07: 50
      Quote: Luminman
      migration of ancient people in the light of DNA genealogy.

      I had two articles on DNA genealogy here. Title: "We are all from the same ship." I didn’t want to repeat myself and rewrite my past material. Anyone interested can easily find them through a search engine.
      1. 0
        27 October 2023 08: 25
        Quote: kalibr
        I had two articles on DNA genealogy here

        To write such articles, you need to understand the problem. I understand this at the level of popular science articles, but this is very, very little. Only a biochemist truly understands this, so I trust them. I believe because they have deep knowledge in this matter. Not historians. And not to journalists...
        1. +3
          27 October 2023 08: 45
          To write such articles, you need to understand the problem. I understand this at the level of popular science articles, but this is very, very little. Only a biochemist truly understands this, so I trust them. I believe because they have deep knowledge in this matter.

          O. P. Balanovsky is a geneticist, Doctor of Biological Sciences, head of the laboratory of genomic geography at the Institute of General Genetics of the Russian Academy of Sciences, professor of the Russian Academy of Sciences.
          Article "DNA demagoguery of Anatoly Klyosov."
          https://www.trv-science.ru/2015/01/dnk-demagogiya-kljosova/
          comments
          http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/?page_id=1235
          1. +7
            27 October 2023 08: 52
            Quote from Frettaskyrandi
            Article "DNA demagoguery of Anatoly Klyosov"

            Klesov himself says approximately the same thing about Balanovsky - classic showdowns between scientists - which of the two is smarter... wink

            I would like to note on my own that Klesov is an excellent scientist who won the State Prize at the age of 37, it seems. But when he begins to link his biochemistry with history, it turns out to be complete nonsense. If only he would study biochemistry and not get involved in historical nonsense, then such a scientist would have no value...
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 09: 01
              Klesov himself says approximately the same thing about Balanovsky - a classic showdown between scientists

              Scientists from the Molecular and Cultural Evolution Lab at the University of London say the same about Klesov. For example. That is, not all biochemists can be trusted.
              By the way, Balanovsky has a book, “The Gene Pool of Europe,” a history of the gene pool of the European population.
              If you're interested
              http://xn--c1acc6aafa1c.xn--p1ai/wp-content/uploads/Balanovskiy_2015-.pdf
              1. +3
                27 October 2023 09: 04
                Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                Scientists from the Molecular and Cultural Evolution Lab at the University of London say the same thing about Klesov.

                They are not talking about his works, but about his fantastic conclusions - Hyperborea, Russians descended from the Etruscans etc. wink
                1. +2
                  27 October 2023 09: 06
                  That is, Klesov’s works are correct, but the conclusions from them are incorrect, did I understand you correctly?
                  Yes, I forgot to clarify one question for the understanding of my comments. Evolutionary biology and its molecular genetic methods and DNA genealogy are different subjects. The first is science, the second is Klesovism. I have nothing against the first one.
                  1. +4
                    27 October 2023 09: 11
                    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                    did I understand you correctly?

                    Unfortunately, it looks like you didn't understand anything at all...
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2023 09: 23
                      Unfortunately, it looks like you didn't understand anything at all...

                      These are the times! The discussion was interrupted at the most interesting point in a classic scientific way - one of the opponents was unable to formulate his point of view and accused the other of not understanding this very point of view.
                      1. +5
                        27 October 2023 12: 14
                        “Shihab ad-din Mahmud ibn Karaji,” Khoja Nasreddin remembered. “Tomorrow, in the presence of the emir, I will convict the bearded sage of ignorance of this book in order to instill in his heart a saving fear of my learning...” (C) wink laughing
                      2. +2
                        27 October 2023 15: 48
                        Quote: paul3390

                        paul3390 (Paul)
                        Today, 12: 14
                        NEW

                        +3
                        “Shihab-ad-din Mahmud ibn-Karaji,” Khoja Nasreddin remembered. “Tomorrow, in the presence of the emir, I will convict the bearded sage of ignorance of this book, in order to instill in his heart a saving fear of my learning...” (c)
                        I always liked this excerpt....
                      3. +2
                        27 October 2023 16: 07
                        This is felt - for you really instill in our hearts a saving fear of your learning... hi wink laughing
                  2. +5
                    27 October 2023 11: 16
                    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                    The first is science, the second is Klesovism

                    Klesovshchina - this is when exact science is combined with nonsense. I agree with this...
                2. +1
                  28 October 2023 10: 09
                  They are not talking about his works, but about his fantastic conclusions - Hyperborea,

                  Emnip Klesov said about Hyperborea that it is possible, but nothing more.
                  In general, Klesov said that Siberia is the cradle of Indo-European peoples.
                  Russians descended from the Etruscans

                  Klesov didn’t say that.
                  Klesov said that Russians descended from the Fatyanovo culture.
          2. +1
            27 October 2023 10: 07
            I can guess why Klesov causes so much negativity among historians and others. He conducted all the research with his own money. And it was not “sharpened” to obtain a certain result.
            His scientific developments are clear and anyone, if desired, can repeat them and get exactly the same results.
            The fact that he made certain conclusions that contradict established concepts and his arrows on the map are located differently is a topic for discussion, and not for declaring his method pseudoscientific.
            Maybe someone is annoyed that he is a millionaire? or that he continues to earn money using his method?
            These questions lie on a different plane.
            1. +4
              27 October 2023 10: 59
              Quote: ee2100
              The fact that he made certain conclusions that contradict established concepts and his arrows on the map are located differently is a topic for discussion, not declaring his method pseudoscientific

              I am ready to subscribe to this post with both hands! By the way, Klesov has been working in America for a long time and successfully applies his knowledge there, for which his so-called. "scientists" from the Academy of Sciences were branded for pseudoscience...
              1. +4
                27 October 2023 13: 56
                I am ready to subscribe to this post with both hands! By the way, Klesov has been working in America for a long time and successfully applies his knowledge there, for which his so-called. "scientists" from the Academy of Sciences were branded for pseudoscience...

                And where does he have them in the USA, besides his self-proclaimed Academy of DNA Genealogy and publications in Lulu.com and Toggle the table of contents
                Scientific Research Publishing successfully applied?
                Where, who and when of the scientists involved in evolutionary biology referred to Klesov?
                Or is he so outstanding that the entire scientific world has turned against him?
                Himself is not funny?
            2. +1
              28 October 2023 10: 13
              The fact that he made certain conclusions that contradict established concepts and his arrows on the map are located differently is a topic for discussion, and not for declaring his method pseudoscientific.

              Can you clarify this point?
              What arrows does Klesov draw, and why do they contradict?
              Otherwise, I personally studied various data from different sources and came to the conclusion that Klesov’s shooters and data from other sources are approximately the same.
            3. 0
              28 October 2023 10: 19
              I can guess why Klesov causes so much negativity among historians and others.

              Klesov, based on DNA research, proved that Rurik was of Slavic origin, do you think this could anger historians? Especially Western ones?? laughing
        2. +6
          27 October 2023 08: 50
          Quote: Luminman
          I believe because they have deep knowledge in this matter. Not historians. And not to journalists...

          Well, you can’t do that... And if a historian and journalist copied everything from a biochemist, then how?
          1. +7
            27 October 2023 08: 55
            Quote: kalibr
            And if a historian and journalist copied everything from a biochemist, then how?

            In order to copy something from someone, at a minimum, you need to understand what you are copying...
            1. +9
              27 October 2023 09: 08
              In order to copy something from someone, at a minimum, you need to understand what you are copying...

              I would cast this motto in bronze and place it on the facade of the Military Review website. For the edification of local authors.
              1. +3
                27 October 2023 11: 23
                Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                In order to copy something from someone, at a minimum, you need to understand what you are copying...

                I would cast this motto in bronze and place it on the facade of the Military Review website. For the edification of local authors.

                Why not in gold? wink Maybe it will be better in gold? wink
              2. +3
                27 October 2023 17: 31
                I would cast this motto in bronze

                As one living classic once said, casting can only be done in granite. wink laughing
            2. +3
              27 October 2023 09: 25
              Quote: Luminman
              least,

              And this, believe me, is quite enough if the journalist is experienced. And if he still has experience in independent scientific work, wrote and defended a dissertation, then he is capable of presenting almost any topic at a popular level.
              1. +4
                27 October 2023 11: 04
                Quote: kalibr
                He can present almost any topic at a popular level

                It depends on what your audience is. If they are 10-year-old teenagers, then absolutely any topic can be conveyed to them, but if the audience is made up of people with higher education, or just thinking people, it’s unlikely...
                1. +2
                  27 October 2023 11: 31
                  Quote: Luminman
                  but if the audience is made up of people with higher education, or just thinking people, it’s unlikely...

                  I see what my audience is. And I’m not alone... And about “just thinking”... Recently I listened to a conversation between “just thinking” people who thought for three. How they understood economics and international affairs. Shine!
              2. ANB
                0
                27 October 2023 21: 36
                . then he is capable of presenting almost any topic at a popular level.

                Can the device of indexes in Oracle and their use when executing queries be explained in a popular manner? :)
            3. +3
              27 October 2023 10: 12
              Any thesis must be passed through yourself. What is called “rising above the material.”
              1. +2
                27 October 2023 10: 24
                Quote from Korsar4
                Any thesis must be passed through yourself. What is called “rising above the material.”

                Exactly. There is a method of "deep immersion". For two weeks you read only about what you need. Then you ask yourself questions about the topic. And if you don’t answer everything, you read what you didn’t answer. Then you don’t read anything for two weeks. Then you return to the previous topic and try to present it simply and clearly. Another month... Then there are 2 months and you more or less become a specialist. Superficial, yes. But in 80% of cases this is enough.
                For example, after choosing a topic for about a month, I tell it to myself... while walking around the city on business. First one paragraph, then another... then the whole material. Periodically you look at the primary sources. You select a photo. Then all you have to do is sit down and write it down in 40 minutes.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2023 11: 06
                  Quote: kalibr
                  Superficial, yes. But in 80% of cases this is enough

                  Sufficient for whom? wink
                  What if someone asks a highly specialized question? Will there be any embarrassment?
                  1. +1
                    27 October 2023 11: 34
                    Quote: Luminman
                    What if someone asks a highly specialized question? Will there be any embarrassment?

                    I get asked such questions here so rarely that they can be ignored. And then if I don’t know something, then I write “I don’t know.” I think you have seen such answers. I also give the names of the same dissertations and books of famous researchers on these topics. But... few people use it. I repeat three times - read. But... screw you.
                2. +2
                  27 October 2023 14: 22
                  Exactly. There is a method of "deep immersion". For two weeks you read only about what you need. Then you ask yourself questions about the topic. And if you don’t answer everything, you read what you didn’t answer. Then you don’t read anything for two weeks. Then you return to the previous topic and try to present it simply and clearly. Another month... Then there are 2 months and you more or less become a specialist. Superficial, yes. But in 80% of cases this is enough.

                  Vyacheslav Olegovich, let's conduct an experiment. Write an article about such a well-known subject as spin (the intrinsic angular momentum of elementary particles), using the two-month “deep immersion” method. It would be interesting to read.
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2023 15: 54
                    Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                    Vyacheslav Olegovich, let's conduct an experiment. Write an article about such a well-known subject as spin (the intrinsic angular momentum of elementary particles), using the two-month “deep immersion” method. It would be interesting to read.

                    You know, I would have written even faster; two weeks would have been enough for me to write material with a novelty rating of 92% according to Advego. But I don’t see the point in proving anything to anyone. I need to write books, earn money... And where can I insert an article about spin? In your ass, excuse me? I recently checked: from 2012 to 2015 alone, I wrote and published 489 articles. And from 2015... - 2040. But I wrote before that... Do you really think that during this time you haven’t learned anything from this?
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2023 17: 38
                      And where should I insert an article about spin? In your ass, excuse me?

                      You can, of course, also in the ass. Or maybe in a series of articles about the use of natural scientific methods in archaeology. Here people like to go through history with the refrain that this is not science. And you gave them an article about the use of electron paramagnetic resonance (spin resonance) in dating archaeological finds! Or about the use of muon radiography methods to detect ancient settlements!
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                        27 October 2023 18: 09
                        Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                        And you gave them an article about the use of electron paramagnetic resonance (spin resonance) in dating archaeological finds! Or about the use of muon radiography methods to detect ancient settlements!

                        But this is a thought and it’s worth thinking about. Thanks for the tip!
        3. +4
          27 October 2023 08: 52
          Quote: Luminman
          deep knowledge in this matter.

          They must also be able to express them so that they are understandable. Knowing is one thing. Bringing it to a wider audience is another. Am I expressing myself clearly?
          1. +4
            27 October 2023 08: 58
            Quote: kalibr
            They must also be able to express them so that they are understandable. Knowing is one thing. Bring it to a wider audience - another

            I will never clearly convey to the general public what I don’t understand - for example, nuclear physics or biology, although I wrote good essays at school...
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 09: 26
              Quote: Luminman
              I will never clearly convey to the general public what I don’t understand - for example, nuclear physics or biology, although I wrote good essays at school...

              These are your personal problems, as they say. There is no need to extrapolate them to all others. There are those who probably succeed.
              1. +3
                27 October 2023 11: 39
                Good morning dear friends! love )))
                Happy first snow in the Moscow region!
                Everyone has moved far away from the reasons for migration, but I will return, because for the first time I thought: “Why did they carry them around the world like that?”
                Among the main reasons, the depletion of resources in the developed territory is cited as the main one. But in my humble opinion, there was another reason. People simply multiplied, overpopulation set in, as a result of which the incompletely depleted territory could no longer sufficiently feed the entire population of society. And then the most passionate, therefore dissatisfied part of society, in the conditions of still undeveloped methods of restoring the fertility of the developed area, rose and left in search of a better life. Perhaps after preliminary reconnaissance. The more passive ones remained in place until the territory was completely depleted. Then they left too.
                And while the Earth was not populated densely enough, they wandered around, finding what they were looking for. Then clashes began between the conditionally permanent settlers of the already developed, not yet depleted areas and the newcomers. And when there were a lot of such skirmishes, they began to think seriously about methods of restoring the fertility of the developed area and protecting it from aliens. What was the incentive? While wandering, they accidentally stumbled upon their former territory a few years after the exodus and discovered that it had been restored! There are a lot of animals, in the fields there is a semblance of wheat ripening, in the ears of which there are three miserable grains, but they are there, which means there is something that restores. And why in one area there are three grains in a spikelet, and in another there are as many as five, and the thought began to arise: maybe it’s because there are five and not three, because five turned out at the site of a fire that once took place. The era of settled life began.
                Well, now Viktor Nikolaevich will ask me!
                1. +1
                  27 October 2023 12: 10
                  Many restless people left Skåne following Bui and Vagn, but they had no luck in Hjorungavag Bay; others followed Styrbjorn to Uppsala and fell there with him. When in their homeland they learned that few wives would have to wait for their husbands back, songs of sorrow were composed and memorial stones were erected, after which all reasonable people agreed that this was the best thing that had happened, for now there would be more peace than before, and they will, perhaps, take away their property by force less often. (c) Dragons of the sea wink laughing
                2. +2
                  27 October 2023 12: 15
                  Quote: depressant
                  The era of settled life began.

                  I really liked your thoughts...
                  1. 0
                    27 October 2023 13: 31
                    Vyacheslav Olegovich, I’m simply getting into the skin of the people I’m talking about. I’m wondering what I would do, what I would do to survive in this situation)))
                    By the way, no one paid attention to my post about the pillar with the lizard. And there, on the plane of the upper horizontal stone, there is a hollow carved until smooth, on which the ground trunk of a thin tree fits well. I mean that in Gobekli-Tepe there were awnings.
                    1. +1
                      27 October 2023 16: 04
                      Quote: depressant
                      I'm just getting into the shoes of the people I'm talking about.

                      A very valuable skill!
                      Quote: depressant
                      a grooved hollow on which the turned trunk of a thin tree fits well

                      I will try to use this opinion of yours in the future...
                      1. +3
                        27 October 2023 17: 15

                        A very valuable skill!

                        Yes. Especially in the absence of the slightest idea of ​​historical psychology.
                      2. +5
                        27 October 2023 18: 11
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        Yes. Especially in the absence of the slightest idea of ​​historical psychology.

                        Anton! So we don’t know a lot at all. And at the level of hypotheses, of course, without the continent of Mo and the lasers of the magicians, one can assume a lot. Not to postulate as some kind of revelation and given, but to assume.
                      3. +3
                        27 October 2023 18: 47
                        It’s possible, Vyacheslav Olegovich, but to do this you need to have at least basic knowledge of the subject. Have you noticed how few of my comments are in this series? This means that I do not consider myself competent enough in this matter, although I understand the differences between the Solutrean and Magdalenian cultures, for example. And here a man with a blue eye declares that he “gets into the skin” of representatives of the Neolithic! Yes, by such standards I should already be thinking in Old French! However, somehow it still doesn't work...
                      4. +2
                        27 October 2023 20: 26
                        I really liked your reasoning...I will try to use your opinion in the future...

                        The answer is something like:
                        Please stay on the line, your call is very important to us. When our operator is free, he will definitely contact you

                        Looks painfully like an answering machine smile
                      5. 0
                        29 October 2023 23: 58
                        By the way, about getting into your skin. I read the caption under the photo:
                        Typical ax cleaver. Local History Museum of Pyatigorsk.

                        and I realized that I definitely wouldn’t be able to split something with such an ax, although I had to use very dull specimens. The tool shown is more suitable for breaking large clods of earth. For a cleaver you need a saw, at a minimum.
                3. +3
                  27 October 2023 17: 58
                  Well, now Viktor Nikolaevich will ask me!

                  It won't ask. Today, all the supposed causes of migration processes, including from the Pontic steppe to Europe, exist at the level of hypotheses.
    4. +3
      27 October 2023 14: 07
      the migration of ancient people has never been touched upon in the light of DNA genealogy

      You see, what a thing... We are dealing only with DNA samples of preserved remains. And in general there are not so many of them. In addition, many options were stopped in a straight line before reaching the present day. So is it possible, on such scanty grounds, to draw any conclusions about historical processes?
    5. +1
      27 October 2023 20: 19
      Author: today we will talk about the homeland of the Proto-Indo-Europeans, that is, where, simply put, they came from.

      So where? There is no mention of this in the article. There are no scientific assumptions, or even hypotheses of the author himself.
      1. 0
        28 October 2023 10: 24
        Well, where from?

        The first finds that exist now are +-25 thousand years ago, found in Siberia.
    6. 0
      28 October 2023 15: 43
      DNA genealogy. But this is a very exact science.

      We know that DNA genealogy is an exact science from the words of DNA genealogists. The rest of the scientists, as a rule, smile sarcastically.
    7. 0
      4 November 2023 22: 18
      Quote: Luminman
      in the light of DNA genealogy.

      Its main problem is that culture or the ability to make certain objects is transmitted not through sexual contact, but through training, so the following options are possible:
      They live the same lives, but have learned something new, or
      Others came and did as they did here before, taught by the old people. Since it is logical for the same living conditions.
      I visited the “Blade” exhibition - so half of the knives there are exactly the same as finds from 10 centuries ago from all over the country. And so it is with the tips of spears and axes - the optimal shape for the same purpose.
    8. 0
      6 March 2024 15: 19
      Klyosov is the same charlatan as the author
      1. +1
        6 March 2024 17: 52
        Quote: Alexey Alekseev_5
        Klyosov is the same charlatan as the author

        Klesov is a State Prize laureate and a leading biochemist in a pharmaceutical company. As a historian, I agree, he is a great inventor
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  4. +4
    27 October 2023 08: 01
    Probably, by the time of appearance of mace pommels, one can track the approximate appearance of proto-states, armies, wars in a given area. After all, a mace is no longer good for anything except killing a person. Unlike spears, bows. Well, except for the slaughter of seals in the north
    1. +4
      27 October 2023 11: 52
      Maces and chiseled stone axes, signs of pastoral societies, they slaughtered cattle, they had nothing to stab with, there is also archeology about this, broken cattle skulls, they were also status, somewhere the head of the clan, and somewhere every man , like a dagger later, they could be used to slaughter cattle and fight off the enemy.
      1. 0
        27 October 2023 23: 39
        they were status, somewhere for the head of the clan, and somewhere for every man, such as later a dagger

        Well, daggers, unlike maces, were traditionally worn not only by men. Grebensky Cossack women according to custom, for example. They, like boys, were given them in churches at the age of seven after first communion and confirmation.
        1. +1
          28 October 2023 06: 09
          Yes, everything is so, anointing was an act of initiation, he became a man from a child, there is archeology in the Middle Bronze Age where the act of initiation was the acquisition of an axe, how they were anointed, but archeology does not answer.
    2. +5
      27 October 2023 11: 53
      Maces and chiseled stone axes, signs of pastoral societies, they slaughtered cattle, they had nothing to stab with, there is also archeology about this, broken cattle skulls, they were also status, somewhere the head of the clan, and somewhere every man , like a dagger later, they could be used to slaughter cattle and fight off the enemy.
      1. +4
        27 October 2023 18: 54
        Administration, please pay attention to the incorrect operation of the site - there is a problem with auto-duplicating comments. For more than a week now, I’ve been tired of manually deleting duplicates of my posts. Finally, do something.
        1. +2
          27 October 2023 18: 58
          Dmitry, good evening!
          This is more likely a problem with your browser. For example, I have Firefox and nothing is duplicated.
          1. +2
            27 October 2023 20: 07
            I have a reliable onion Tor Browser Bundle, and I use it not only on this site. There are no such problems with other sites.
            Good evening, Anton!
    3. 0
      29 October 2023 19: 48
      Quote: Tlauicol
      Probably, by the time of appearance of mace pommels, you can track the approximate appearance of proto-states, armies, wars in a particular area..
      Or maybe you need to track the appearance shields - as the simplest armor - already protective gear suitable only for war - when it is necessary to protect the body from damage by other objects, even “dual-use” (for example ax).
      Sultan chose shield caused by the fact that many soldiers have a shield, but do not helmets и armor, we can cite the example of the army of Ancient Egypt - when the existence of the state and the army is undoubted, but the bulk of the infantry had only defensive weapons shield
      hi
    4. -1
      4 November 2023 22: 26
      Quote: Tlauicol
      appearance of mace pommels

      Which are very stubbornly confused with weights on scales. At least on “digging” forums, this topic is very popular; steelyard weights are often confused with clubs.
      Quote: Andobor
      they slaughtered cattle

      Sorry, but “slaughter” is just a term; in reality, cattle are slaughtered or stabbed; slaughter methods vary in different regions, but in general, an injection into large vessels or the heart and draining of the blood.
      Yes, there are exotic things like “hang a sheep by its hind legs, make a cut under the ribs, stick your hand into the wound and stop the heart,” but this is archaic in general.
      Meat with unbleeded blood is stored worse and the taste is so-so. The most optimal thing is a bag on the face and a hose with CO; from carboxyhemoglobin, pork acquires a tangle of red color. But even here - let the blood drain as soon as the pig stops twitching. I’ll answer the question right away - no, it’s not dangerous, carboxyhemoglobin from fried or cooked meat cannot get into the blood of the person who eats it. The downside of technology is the nickname “Doctor Mengele” from fellow villagers.
  5. +5
    27 October 2023 08: 12
    The “kurgan hypothesis,” which appeared back in 1956, is the most widespread. She calls it the ancestral home of the Indo-Europeans Volga and Black Sea steppes, where such cultures as Samara, Srednostogov, Khvalyn and Yamnaya arose and developed.

    There is no need to multiply entities and complicate the issue by introducing such vague geographical concepts.
    There is a generally accepted geographical name for the “ancestral homeland of the Indo-Europeans” - the Black Sea-Caspian or Pontic-Caspian steppe. Occupies an area of ​​about 1 square meters. km and extends from eastern Romania through Moldova, Ukraine, Russia and northwestern Kazakhstan to the Urals, passing into the Kazakh steppe.

    1. +2
      27 October 2023 08: 25
      I wonder how different modern views on our ancestral home are - for example, they coincide with the description of Airyanem-Vaedzha in the Gathas?
    2. +2
      27 October 2023 08: 54
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      There is a generally accepted geographical name for the “ancestral homeland of the Indo-Europeans” - the Black Sea-Caspian or Pontic-Caspian steppe.

      A lot of words for a popular article...
      1. +2
        27 October 2023 09: 29
        A lot of words for a popular article...

        To correctly define a subject, there are never too many words in any article. Or is the title “ramjet engine” too long for a popular article?
        1. +2
          27 October 2023 09: 41
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          Is it too long for a popular article?

          It depends on which one.
  6. +2
    27 October 2023 08: 23
    In general, sometimes supporters of the Kurgan hypothesis consider the Dnieper-Donets culture to be the basic Proto-Indo-European culture... From which it seems that Sredny Stog developed.
  7. +2
    27 October 2023 08: 33
    Map of the distribution of Proto-Indo-European tribes in accordance with the “kurgan hypothesis”. Rice. A. Shepsa

    To be honest, I don’t want to offend anyone, but this drawing cannot be classified as a creative success due to its minimal information content.
    There are many variants of such a map that could be “creatively reworked and supplemented.”



    1. +1
      27 October 2023 08: 55
      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
      There are many variants of such a map that could be “creatively reworked and supplemented.”

      Who likes what...
      1. +2
        27 October 2023 09: 31
        Who likes what...

        I noticed that you write some replies to comments solely for the sake of quantity, without caring about the content.
    2. +2
      27 October 2023 09: 13
      Any arrows are very conditional.. For example, it is not very clear why the so-called “Mittani Aryan” in the region of modern Syria turned out to be closer to the Indo-Aryan languages ​​than to the Iranian ones?
  8. +3
    27 October 2023 08: 57
    Now the speed of migration has sharply accelerated, and accordingly the
    Transport is a great thing, and especially the domestication of horses. It’s good that the Chinese didn’t think of this, and they didn’t have horses either; other peoples shared their successes. smile
  9. +2
    27 October 2023 09: 09
    came up with a wheel

    Yes, the wheel was invented a long time ago, and not in those parts. Our distant ancestors actually made a technological revolution and came up with a compound wheel with spokes. And this is by no means a simple product, you just have to watch videos of how men make it... You still need to think of something like this, create the technology.

    And it was only such a wheel that gave true mobility. Because with a solid one you won’t be able to ride over potholes, you won’t be able to develop speed...
    1. +2
      27 October 2023 09: 28
      Quote: paul3390
      And it was only such a wheel that gave true mobility.

      Yes, this should be emphasized!
      1. +4
        27 October 2023 11: 59
        With all due respect to the wheel, it was not the wheel that gave humanity true mobility for migrations and the spread of habitat in the first place, but the presence of natural water roads - rivers, along which (and along which) migrations mainly took place. Take a look at the maps, they are all different, but they are similar in one thing - migrations took place along rivers.
        Rice. Shepsa. Not the most successful map, in my opinion, but nevertheless there is a river system on it.

        Expansion proceeded along the rivers. This has always been the case under the pharaohs, and under the Khet, and in ancient India, and in ancient China, and in ancient Europe. Yes, and with us - both under Rurik and under the ancient Bulgar. And even with the “not at all recent” (from a historical point of view) development of Siberia and the Far East. And this is no longer a repeating accident - but, IMHO, a pattern.
        1. +1
          27 October 2023 12: 02
          And the wheel at that time served more for domestic needs and for the internal expansion of the area in breadth. Again, IMHO.
          It will be interesting to hear the opinions of fellow commentators on this matter.
          1. +6
            27 October 2023 13: 13
            Hello Dima!

            A cart from the Yerevan Historical Museum, as they say it is 4000 years old.
            They found her in the area of ​​Lake Sevan.
            Regarding migration routes.
            I don't even want to discuss this. Everyone who gets at least some confident result immediately puts forward his theory of migration and begins to draw arrows, regardless of rivers and mountains, seas and oceans.
            There is a theory that Eurasian haplogroups formed in southern Asia. Because studied mitochondrial (female) DNA and gave it the name “Eurasian Eve” or true Eve.
            1. +1
              27 October 2023 23: 57
              Hi Sasha!
              The cart is awesome! True, she is a little younger in age - she is not 4000 years old, but “only” 3400. She belongs to the period of the Urartian kingdom. The preservation is due to the fact that the oak from which it was made became stained from being in water for a long time. The story of the discovery of the cart is also interesting. It, along with other exhibits, was found in the silt of the shallowed Sevan. Water was drained from the lake in the thirties, using it to irrigate fields. Near the village of Lchashen, Urartian finds dating back to the XNUMXth BC were exposed.
            2. 0
              31 October 2023 17: 54
              Foreign car with Armenian license plates?
        2. +4
          27 October 2023 12: 04
          Well, IE migrations seem to have gone across all the rivers, on the contrary, no? Because the main movement is to the east and west, and in Eurasia, rivers mainly flow either to the south or to the north..
          1. +3
            27 October 2023 12: 18
            Very interesting comment! Thank you, Pavel, you are definitely a plus. But I would still distinguish between the directions of the main migrations of tribes and the expansion of their range by newcomers
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 12: 28
              Yes, I would too. The question remains - how to distinguish them? what
          2. +4
            27 October 2023 16: 07
            Quote: paul3390
            Well, IE migrations seem to have gone across all the rivers, on the contrary, no? Because the main movement is to the east and west, and in Eurasia, rivers mainly flow either to the south or to the north..

            And Richard wrote that you are great and I will also add on my own behalf. And...more on this!
        3. +3
          27 October 2023 12: 14
          and under the Hittites
          You got carried away with the Hittites, the ancestral home of the Hittites is the Balkans, and where they settled in Asia Minor, there are no particularly significant rivers, the culture of the Hittites was influenced by the Babylonian civilization, from which they borrowed cuneiform. And the Hittites may have been the first to make and use war chariots, which appeared in Western Asia at the beginning of the XNUMXnd millennium BC. uh
          1. +2
            27 October 2023 12: 35
            ancestral home of the Hittites Balkans

            Judging by the ancient hymn - yes. But there is a version that this sea - maybe the Caspian...

            My lord, heavenly sun god,
            Shepherd of humanity! From the sea
            You're coming to the top
            , heavenly
            Sun god. You are entering heaven!
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 12: 38
              this sea may be the Caspian...
              It seems that they are from the Balkans, judging by the area of ​​settlement. If we consider that from the Caspian Sea, then they somehow settled through one place. My subjective opinion.
              1. +2
                27 October 2023 13: 07
                Well, why - if the original culture was Yamnaya, then it was possible to walk both along the shores of the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. However, I personally don’t have a clear opinion on this topic. The only thing that is puzzling is the Mittani Aryan language in Syria..
                1. +3
                  27 October 2023 13: 52
                  then you could walk along the shore of the Black Sea
                  For what? The Hittites lived on the territory of modern Bulgaria. You can simply swim across the strait, why go around the sea. Xerxes built a bridge across the Dardanelles, a simple pontoon, and the Hittites could have done the same.
          2. +3
            27 October 2023 12: 43
            Babylonian civilization influenced the culture of the Hittites

            Well, then it’s Sumerian, as the original one.. In general, it’s interesting that on many bas-reliefs the Hittites are depicted as perfect Armenoids.. But there are others, for example, the Egyptian depiction of captured noble Hittites.. Doesn’t the character with forelock resemble anyone? The muzzle is quite Ryazan. So - for example, they could depict Prince Svyatoslav after 3 thousand years ..

            1. +3
              27 October 2023 13: 40
              Does the character with the forelock remind you of anyone?

              I looked closely... really?
              Reminds me! laughing good ))))
            2. +4
              27 October 2023 13: 48
              Does the character with the forelock remind you of anyone?
              Definitely doesn’t look like an Armenian smile Photomontage? smile
              1. +3
                27 October 2023 13: 55
                And if you remember the classic Hittite symbol... wink

                1. +3
                  27 October 2023 14: 10
                  And if you remember the classic Hittite symbol...
                  So what? I haven’t been involved in such bindings for a long time.. Their type of symbol is similar to ours, so that means we are from them.. uuu.. laughing
                  1. +3
                    27 October 2023 15: 09
                    Yes, of course we are not from them. In general, the Hittite-Luwian languages ​​seem to have split off first. But did the symbol reach the present day through Byzantium?
          3. +3
            27 October 2023 12: 53
            there are no particularly significant rivers there

            Of course, not the Volga, not the Ob, not the Danube, but nevertheless pay attention to the map - there are quite a few rivers there, and almost all the main Hittite cities are on them
            Map. Hittite Kingdom ca. 1350-1300 BC e.
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 14: 06
              almost all the main Hittite cities are on them
              They shouldn’t settle in the desert. That’s right, they settled near the water. But the rivers are mountainous and not particularly navigable, so they can only do rafting. In Central Asia, civilizations also arose near rivers, this is natural.
        4. +3
          27 October 2023 14: 15
          For our time - definitely.

          Even more interesting is not from “Varangians to Greeks”, but from “Varangians to Persians”. Closer to native rivers.
          1. +3
            27 October 2023 17: 27
            In my personal opinion, the path along Ladoga and the Dnieper from the “Varangians to the Greeks” is generally a literary artifact. In reality - never existed. For many reasons.
  10. +3
    27 October 2023 12: 52
    The main achievement of the people who lived in the “green zone” of the spread of Sredny Stog and Samara cultures was that it was here that the horse was domesticated.

    In general, there is a version that the horse was first domesticated in the Botai culture of northern Kazakhstan in the XNUMXth millennium.. But what is interesting is that all modern horses are not descendants of the Botai horses, the wild descendants of those are the Przewalski's horse...
    1. +3
      27 October 2023 14: 08
      Yes ? For some reason I thought that Przewalski's horse was the ancestor of horses.
      1. +3
        27 October 2023 14: 40
        For some reason I thought that Przewalski's horse was the ancestor of horses.




        Dinohippus is the ancestor of the horse.
        1. +2
          27 October 2023 14: 50
          And zebroid stripes sometimes appear in modern horses if two genes meet.
        2. +4
          27 October 2023 14: 59
          Dinohippus, so Dinohippus, I don’t mind, let it be so, and so it is in principle.. smile drinks
      2. +3
        27 October 2023 15: 12
        I thought so too, until I read a scientific article on this topic... what
        1. +5
          27 October 2023 16: 12
          Quote: paul3390
          I thought so too, until I read a scientific article on this topic...

          Paul! Once again I am writing to you: try to write something yourself. You write intelligent, good comments. Well, one more step and there is already 8000 characters of material. To begin with, no more is needed. I checked Plagiarism on Anvego - if more than 75% of novelty is already yours... And if it’s 90-95%, then even more so. Why don't you try it?
          1. +2
            27 October 2023 17: 24
            Eh!! I just can’t bring myself to finally sit down and write a couple of articles on a topic that is more relevant to me - the history of Marxism-Leninism.. Because, alas, I’m pretty lazy.. But - I will fight this, I promise!
            1. +3
              27 October 2023 18: 17
              Quote: paul3390
              on a more relevant topic for me - the history of Marxism-Leninism.

              It’s a great idea, because I’m preparing the next series on a topic close to it... Your material, as a response article and more than one... will be very useful. And laziness... is not laziness... Now, if you had also given me the test that I wrote about a long time ago... I would have told you.
              The test is as follows: story-essay - 5th season, Four colors of time, World of four horizons. The maximum volume is 2,5 pages, the minimum is not limited. My personal message is waiting for you!
              1. +2
                27 October 2023 18: 54
                Well, since the minimum is not limited, please:
                1. St. Petersburg summer
                2. Horsemen of the Apocalypse
                3. Four-position laser level
                Passed the test?
                1. +2
                  27 October 2023 19: 48
                  Four colors of time

                  Well, what are the horsemen of the Apocalypse, Anton? You, unlike Caliber, are just kind of unfashionable smile
                  There have been quite a few coaching bloggers on the Internet lately, promising for a “purely symbolic” fee to acquaint their subscribers with the “ultra fashionable” color theory of K. Jackson and G. Watterman “The Seasons. Four colors of time." Which was expressed very accurately and succinctly by none other than Warren Chang himself, who is included in the UNESCO top “Best Artists of our Century”: smile
                  Pseudo-scientific nonsense that has nothing to do with fine art, based entirely on the children’s associations of its authors (c)
                  1. +2
                    27 October 2023 20: 04
                    1. We seem to have switched to “you”?
                    2. Dürer managed to depict the “riders” in monochrome, and no matter what, the “color differentiation” of the riding animals is still felt.
                  2. +1
                    27 October 2023 20: 24
                    Quote: Richard
                    based entirely on the children's associations of its authors

                    No, Richard. This was a development back in 1987, when there was no such word blogger.
                    1. +2
                      27 October 2023 20: 35
                      No, Caliber. This phrase from Chang is dedicated not to bloggers, but to the “theorists” themselves Jackson and Watterman
                2. +1
                  27 October 2023 20: 22
                  Quote: 3x3zsave
                  Passed the test?

                  No. Perhaps I explained it poorly. The content should correlate to a certain extent with the title. 1 - Yes, this is permissible since we are talking about climate. 2. Horsemen of the Apocalypse... Colored horses, yes. But not the horsemen! And where is the time? He's gone! That is, the answer is controversial and incomplete. 3 - Yes - this level really contains a whole world. Think about task 2 and it will be great.
                  1. +4
                    27 October 2023 20: 30
                    Okay, stop! No additional conditions were stated! When the rules change during the game, it is cheating. They beat you with candelabra for this!
                    1. +4
                      27 October 2023 20: 43
                      This is cheating. They beat you with candelabra for this!

                      Well, that's ours. And, for example, in Israel - menorahs. smile

                      And in medieval France they beat people with girandoles for this. How is it with Papa Dumas:wink
                      My girandole is golden, monsieur swindler, family. I value them very much. But for the sake of such an occasion... gentlemen, hold it (c)
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                        27 October 2023 21: 01
                        In medieval France, people were expelled from a city or province for cheating; if they relapsed, they were simply hanged.
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                      28 October 2023 08: 13
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      When the rules change during the game, it is cheating. Z

                      Why is it so difficult for you to change point 2?
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                      29 October 2023 08: 15
                      Quote: 3x3zsave
                      this is cheating.

                      I said THINK about the second task and everything will be fine. So hard?
                3. +3
                  27 October 2023 21: 00
                  The fifth season is hidden in the passages. Not underground, of course. And from one time to another.

                  For example, pre-winter.
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                    28 October 2023 08: 17
                    Quote from Korsar4
                    And from one time to another.

                    You should collect all three answers and send them to me. And I would send you the evaluation criteria and write everything down...
              2. +1
                27 October 2023 21: 00
                The world of four horizons.




                Residential complex "Four Horizons". St. Petersburg, Piskarevsky prospect, 1.
                Go to the specified address and at a price of 360 per square meter, you become the owner of a world of four horizons. The size of the world depends on the thickness of your wallet.
                1. +3
                  27 October 2023 21: 12
                  5th season

                  That fifth time of the year,
                  Just praise him.
                  Breathe the last freedom
                  Because it is love.
                  The sky flew high
                  The outlines of things are light,
                  And the body no longer celebrates
                  The anniversary of your sadness
                  1. +3
                    27 October 2023 22: 12
                    The first association is Akhmatova. But it probably counts.

                    And there are topics that I would not present in essays.
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                      28 October 2023 08: 18
                      It is considered like Shefner...
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                  27 October 2023 21: 38
                  This, by the way, is a very beautiful residential complex, quite consistent (well, almost) with the historical buildings of the city.
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                    27 October 2023 21: 43
                    Four colors of time


                    WhiteWhite caps on white birches.
                    White bunny on white snow.
                    White pattern on the branches from frost.
                    I'm skiing through the white forest.
                    Blue Blue sky, blue shadows.
                    The blue rivers have shed their ice.
                    Blue snowdrop is a resident of spring,
                    It grows boldly in the blue thawed patch.
                    GreenIn a green forest on a green blade of grass,
                    A green beetle wags its mustache.
                    Green butterfly on the path,
                    I covered my net with a thread cap.
                    Yellow The yellow sun heats weaker.
                    Yellow melons on yellow soil.
                    Yellow leaves rustle along the alley.
                    A yellow drop of resin on the trunk.


                    There is also a genre in Japanese painting - shiki-e - "four seasons", and in mathematics - the theorem about four colors.
                    In short - there are a lot of plots, write - I don’t want to.
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                      27 October 2023 23: 01
                      Blue - Blue sky, blue shadows.

                      The 1841 poem by the great Georgian poet Nikoloz Baratashvili, dedicated to Ekaterina Chavchavadze, with whom the poet was unrequitedly in love, and published according to his will only seven years after his death, is deeply moving. The poetic translation into Russian was made by Boris Pasternak.

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                        28 October 2023 00: 28
                        Gray eyes - dawn
                        steamboat siren,
                        Rain, separation, gray trail
                        Behind the propeller of running foam.

                        Black eyes - heat
                        Slipping into the sea of ​​sleepy stars,
                        And on board until the morning
                        Kisses reflection.

                        Blue eyes are the moon
                        Waltz white silence,
                        Daily wall
                        Inevitable farewell.

                        Brown eyes are sand,
                        Autumn, wolf steppe, hunting,
                        Jump, all by a hair's breadth
                        From falling and flying.

                        No, I'm not their judge
                        Just without nonsense judgments
                        I'm a debtor four times over
                        Blue, grey, brown, black.

                        Like four sides
                        The same light
                        I love - it's not my fault -
                        All four of these colors.
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                      28 October 2023 08: 19
                      Quote from Frettaskyrandi
                      In short - there are a lot of plots, write - I don’t want to.

                      If only you could write to me in a personal message, and I would write everything down for you!
              3. +2
                29 October 2023 10: 58
                Four colors of time

                Winter screams: vodka... it's cold! Spring calls for champagne! Summer: beer, and colder! And only autumn will come up quietly, put his hand on your shoulder and insinuatingly say: Well, old man, how about some cognac? (With) wink
  11. +3
    28 October 2023 01: 46


    Quite a nice representative of perhaps one of the first migrants!

    Pierolapithecus: 12-million-year-old human ancestor comes to life

    Early reconstruction of Pierolapithecus catalaunicus. Image credit: Mikel Cruzafont
    24.10.2023


    Chrissy Sexton
    Earth.com Staff Writer

    The face of the ancient ape Pierolapithecus catalaunicus has been brought back to life, providing important insight into the history of great apes and human evolution.

    Discovered in northeastern Spain and first described in 2004, Pierolapithecus catalaunicus belonged to a diverse group of now-extinct apes that inhabited Europe 15–7 million years ago.


    Unexpected conclusions.

    Previous work suggests that Pierolapithecus had an upright body plan, which predated the adaptation that allowed hominids to walk along tree branches. However, the animal's place in evolutionary history is still a matter of debate.


    What the researchers learned
    The study found that Pierolapithecus shares facial features with both fossilized and living apes. However, it also contains distinct facial features not found in other Middle Miocene apes.

    The results indicate that Pierolapithecus represents one of the earliest representatives of the apes and humans.


    “An interesting result of the evolutionary modeling in the study is that the skull of Pierolapithecus is closer in shape and size to the ancestor from which modern apes and humans evolved,” study co-author Sergio Almesia said.


    "On the other hand, gibbons and siamangs ("small apes") appear to have evolved secondary to size reduction."

    The study was published in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.


    So try to figure out who came from where and from whom!
  12. -1
    29 October 2023 15: 01
    I read until “today there are many theories, of which the “Kurgan hypothesis” ...”, realized that for the author in the context of historical science these are synonyms, and decided that there was no need to read further. Because there will be another fragmentary accumulation of everything from the last 100 years, and not an analysis of what is relevant on the issue at the moment.