Juvenile Fascism in action

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Juvenile justice in Russia is called social patronage. Only the essence of this does not change. From families continue to take children. According to the juvenile guardians, they are taken away because the family has little money and bad home repairs. The same people who climb into our families with the help of juvenile fascism, at the same time, tried to “sexually educate” our children at school and impose respect for homosexuals and other perverts. Children want to talk about "petting" and masturbation. Children want to be taught that homosexuality is “also good.” We do not understand what is happening, because a normal person does not understand the pervert. So I do not think that it’s solely about money and greed ...

This is my first attempt to write an article and, unfortunately, my creative attempts will be on a too serious and painful topic for our whole, not yet completely kooky society.

We hear a lot of disputes about the so-called. juvenile justice, which in Russia is bashfully called social patronage or guardianship. We heard about how these bodies are mocked at families in “civilized countries”, how our children were taken in Finland, how in the US they can take children from their families even because the father of the family does not agree with his son being educated at school on homosexuality and other perversions. At some point, I already believed that the juvenile fascists, but I can’t call them any other way, for a while they died down. After all, there were joint speeches of the Orthodox Church and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, there were thousands of letters to the presidential administration of the Russian Federation, activists collected more than one hundred forty thousand signatures against the introduction of juvenile "technologies", and in general, juveniles faced a clear rejection of this satanic ideology in our society. It would seem that our juvenile ideologues would calm down ... But no, they didn’t die down, it came to the conductors of "Western values", digs the earth, in particular, Mrs. Lakhova EF (United Russia party).

And Lakhov's love for children is simply unthinkable! And for our Russian, especially Russian families, her soul was sore! Therefore, it is not only for juvenile justice, it is generally for the most progressive upbringing of our children! For sexual education! Well, should someone "carry the light" in our "obscurantists" brains! Not so long ago, she, the fierce “fighter for the family,” really wanted to make everyone happy with the law on sexual “enlightenment” of our children in our Russian schools. Judge for yourself, well, unless we are not "obscurantists", because so far we have not taught anything to such sexual children! And Lakhova wanted 11-year-old boys to talk about the benefits of masturbation and enlighten on what petting is. In both! Our poor dark children in our obscurantist culture lack theoretical knowledge about petting! Dark people, we are so ashamed of the country in front of an enlightened Europe! And at the beginning of the two thousandth school programs (from 1-th to 11-th class) it was supposed to introduce the course "Sex education" in the amount of 374 (!) Hours. From the age of eleven, children in the Russian Federation wanted to start teaching safer sex. In class, they planned to issue condoms. They also offered to pass ninth-graders (!) A special test, where, for example, such questions were: "Which part of the vagina is most sensitive to sexual stimulation?" "Did you have to caress a girl by touching her genitals?" "Do you consider it permissible to participate in group sex?"

Our Ministry of Education, with the participation of UNESCO in the framework of the State Planned Family Program, has developed several variants of “sex education”. The authors S. Agarkov and I. Lunin, wrote a textbook where these topics should be studied from the fifth to the eleventh grade:
“First intercourse. Incomplete sexual intercourse. Interrupted intercourse. Features orgasm in men. Types of orgasm in women ... Vestibular, femoral intercourse, narva-sadat, anal. Orogenital contacts. Sexual actions with animals ... "In both!" We are retarded people ...
In more detail about the "educational work", which is actively pushed into the education system by the deputy E. Lahova ("United Russia") you can read here: http://www.moral.ru/Lahova_an_z.htm/

It is in such an amazing way that juvenile fascism paces the country hand in hand with the ideology of “the sexual education of children”, the propaganda of the rights of sexual minorities and the ideas of the contraceptive revolution! Yes, back in 1997 year, in the State Duma, Lakhov (in my opinion from the Women of Russia faction) put forward the slogan "The contraceptive revolution is the only revolution that is required by modern Russia!" In this "Revolution" it was supposed to limit the number of our citizens to have children!

So, the same personalities push through juvenile justice, sexual perversion, “education”, and the idea of ​​“contraception for everyone and everything” with restriction of the rights of the poor strata of the population to raise and educate children. The trouble is that this is going to round sums from our budget. There is a family planning center, which operates under the auspices of an international organization of the same name. It is in this center that the textbooks mentioned above are written. There are moral perverts who call themselves child psychologists, and come up with their own programs. There and state money go.

Come on, just state funding with the usual for all sawing! Do you think it's just about the money? Then let me ask the question: Do you think Chikatilo killed and raped his victims for the sake of money? And did Breivik also kill seventy people for money? Do you think all these perverts make their abominations out of simple, understandable greed of all? Hardly! We do not understand what is happening in their heads, but they get their pleasure clearly not just from money and not from simple things, like a house in the Canaries.

Do you think that the sick psyche is only in those like Chikatilo and Breivik?
Okay, let's not climb into the psychological essence of these two-legs. These are their problems. Just let their mental problems do not apply to us, and, first of all, to our children! So, I don’t know why our children need juvenals, just as I don’t know why they do their mania like Chikatilo! I just believe what I see! And I see the frank sadism of the juvenile fascists of social “patrons”, which is not explained by simple corruption and a passion for profit.

It was an introduction.

It was not psychology with philosophy that sent me to write me, but a specific case, specific actions of our valiant perverts of workers from the Trusteeship Authorities from the Tver region, Staritsky district, headed by Mrs. L. Sokolova.
Let me just selectively quote what I read (on trueinform.ru)
“December 21 2012 from the family of Alexei Zaitsev-Voskresensky living in the village of Kuznetsovka, 17 house, Staritsky district, the guardianship authorities took all four children, two boys and two girls, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, born! 4's, 2's, 1 a year and less than one year old! The reason for the removal of children was the absence of firewood in the house, the malfunction of the furnace heating, a small number of toys, and unsanitary conditions ... "

The family is poor, the father works where he can, the parents helped, the wife sat at home with the children, applied for financial help to the officials ... (and that’s what he did for nothing!) In short, an ordinary Russian village family. Yes, Mr. President, in the course of the average income of Russia in 26 thousand rubles - it's a lie! And it turns out that the family of such an “average”, having no income, is to blame for the fact that it has no income! And since they are poor, they do not have the right to children !!!

I understand you correctly, Ms. Lahova, the "protector" of our children? Well, why should children have parents without money ?! Sorry, distracted, I was just shocked by the whole stories this ... I continue to quote briefly:
“At that moment, when the guardianship broke into the house early in the morning, the children were still asleep, the frightened children (as written in the inspection report) were inactive, that is, they simply hid behind their mom !!!! The mother began to call her father, who at that moment was at work in Tver. When asked why children were being taken away, the phone inspector said that there was no firewood, it was cold in the house. The question of how cold the answer was never sounded, since social services were not going to comply with any standards for measuring temperature. As in any rural house, it was cold in the morning, because the stove was drowned in the evening !!!
He did not hear the remarks that it was cold in most of the houses, and that he would buy firewood when his father arrived with earnings, he would buy. After they asked her (the inspector) to introduce herself, she refused to hang up and refused to talk. For all this chaos, an act was made on the removal of children, which does not correspond not only to any regional, but also to any other legislation, no decision, no other thing, neither father nor mother, was provided !!!!! "

Local activists stood up to protect the Zaitsevs-Voskresensky family: the Tver Cossack Brotherhood, the organization “For the Life and Protection of Family Values”, and the movement “People’s Council”.

Here is what they write:
“... We left for Staritsa to sort out the situation.
The conversation took place with L. Sokolova, the chief of social protection of Staritsky district, Sokolova. No our persuasion that we are ready to provide this family with good housing, buy firewood and repair the stove, did not lead to the result. We heard that the case is being prepared in the court on deprivation of parental rights. Eating a warm apartment for this family was not impressed by Mrs. L. Sokolova. "I will give children only by a court decision," she said. We have already heard about our judges. I am afraid that a large part of them belong to the “ideological” perverts who are incomprehensible to normal people, such as Chikatilo, Breivik, etc. Yes, they do not kill people, but they derive their satanic pleasure from their own omnipotence, when they can create lawlessness with impunity, humiliating people and trampling families. Remember Kin-Dza-Dza: “they will crawl on our belly in front of us, and we will not care and enjoy them.”
Last quote, like a nail in the coffin:
“The family (Zaitsev-Resurrection) was doomed ... Only an accident could save her, which would put an end to the criminal activities of the traffickers in children.”

I repeat, I don’t think that the matter is simply in money, but in the course of the amount the certain figures still appear:
"According to the observations of the site" ё-tver news”, In the field of adoption, large sums of money really revolve. For example, for adopting a child to a resident of the Konakovsky district of the Tver region Sergey Khrenov, they offered to make a “donation” in the amount of 30 thousand dollars. And the prices for "live goods" naturally grow over time. But for a successful "trade" of adoptions you need a product bank, in this case children. Apparently, the aggression of social security workers who snatch children from their parents is due to the considerable kickbacks that these workers receive. Children of Slavic appearance are naturally in high demand in the “adoption market”, which Zaitsev-Resurrection from Staritsa turned out to be in their trouble. ”

There is some good news:
“However, when the scandalous details of the“ commercial ”removal of children from the family are made public, social protection has a bummer. So, after an attempt to take away the minor Stepanovs from their parents, Galina Lyapina, head of the non-idid territorial department of social protection, lost her “bread” place.

The topic with these fascists from juvenalki is very patient, guys. Miscellaneous talking about the motives of these nonhumans. Someone writes about major kickbacks from adoption, and someone began to investigate a completely dark matter with the sale of children's organs ... I do not presume to judge that he is in charge of the inspirers and ideologists of juvenile justice, sorry, social patronage. What is in the head of her "chief ideologist" Lakhova Catherine? All of them, like, "logical" arguments that it is a pity for those children who are beaten by parents - moral monsters, that, they say, they want to withdraw children from such parents, are broken about a simple question:
And why do we need some special legal verbiage laws and special bureaucratic organizations, when we have ordinary criminal laws for this case? We have local police officers who can report cases of child abuse and there is a special criminal article for these same bullying! You, bureaucrats, juvenals, from which side did you give up? Well, let us then for each separate article of the criminal code we will create a separate service with a specially trained team of officials ?!

The arguments are useless, the mantra is being sung with might and main, that such a profession is needed, to clean up children and families to protect! And they, juveniles, know how to do it! Well, not to us, dark people, after all, full of Christian, Muslim, Soviet, etc. prejudices decide what values ​​our children need? In general, the eternal question of what to do! I do not know. I only know that we will think up necessarily. We always invent something. The main thing - the threat to realize, and boldly look into her eyes.

In the meantime, I just wrote a letter to Sokolova L.V., the same one who took four children from the Zaitsevs-Voskresenskys. And I wrote to her at this address [email protected], which I found here: www.szn.tver.ru/TGS/szn/dep_szn.nsf/pages/opeka.html This is the site of the Tver region, there are also their guardianship authorities with the names of their members.

I just wrote everything that I think about her personally and about the care of the Tver region as a whole. Wrote as brief and correct as he could. I also wrote to various addresses of the authorities (to the Presidential Administration too) that I found here http://www.juvenaljustice.ru/
It is necessary, guys unite against this abomination. I think that the President will not protect our families for us. Not because the president is bad, but because, like all the problems in the country, his one, even on 24 hours a day, is not enough. Stalin might have defended, but Stalin was inspired by the feat, an extremely active people who believed, hoped, loved and therefore turned mountains.

I think that after active publicity on the Internet, which is already in full swing, the children of this particular family will be returned. But is it worth enjoying this outcome? - Not! They, juveniles, and sexual "enlighteners" will grow further, they will again and again try to push through their lawmakers about the sexual corruption of educating children, about protecting homosexuals, about protecting the "honor and dignity" of all kinds of perverts. Because their task is to make perversion the norm. And the attack on the family, on the primordial Russian values, and, finally, on the Church, traditional Islam and even on the Soviet past, for them is just part of one “grand” plan. Frustrate their plans, guys ?!
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  1. fenix57
    +30
    7 January 2013 10: 10
    "Authors S. Agarkov and I. Lunin, wrote a textbook where these topics should be studied from the fifth to the eleventh grade:
    “First intercourse. Incomplete intercourse. Interrupted intercourse. Features of orgasm in men. Types of orgasm in women ... Vestibular, femoral intercourse, narva-sadata, anal. Orogenital contacts. Sexual actions with animals ... "How! We are backward people…. "- they oohrinit there in the Ministry of Education or what? fool
    1. +21
      7 January 2013 10: 23
      Quote: fenix57
      have they become agitated there at the Ministry of Education or what?

      Yes, for the last five years they have only been doing their best to get sick. They should send Lunin and Agarkov to the Netherlands or the USA, where they will become popular.
      1. donchepano
        +8
        7 January 2013 12: 55
        There is simply extermination, the destruction of the Russian people by enemy and hostile bodies.
        Need to look for who is all profitable?
        Nip to destroy in the embryo this bacchanalia.
        To prosecute initiators and executors of draconian and hostile laws.
        1. +22
          7 January 2013 13: 11
          Why look for? You just need to see when and who promoted, who and when voted for the law "On juvenile justice", who and when signed this law and praised it, justified it. It's not a secret . Lakhova was promoted, the deputies from United Russia voted, Dmitry Medvedev signed, being the President of Russia. ... That's all the ins and outs of this law. All of them must be called to account for these wild cases. And how many there are in Russia is horror. They take place in Siberia, in Altai and in Moscow. Referendums in our country are prohibited, by the will of "United Russia", so it is necessary to write to the President, insist that these wild cases stop. The most interesting thing is that there are families where parents drink, and children crawl around the house hungry and dirty, and they are not taken away from their parents. What for ? They probably have congenital diseases due to the alcoholism of their parents, and it will be difficult to sell them. Lord! When will the times come in Russia when the state will be for the people, and not like the people for the state now!
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            -15
            7 January 2013 14: 37
            insist these wild cases stop

            EXACTLY! What an abomination to take frostbitten, dying children, taken to the hospital from loving unemployed parents.

            From relatives who did not pick them up from a house with a temperature of -20. Loving relatives! We had to give them, they would settle on the balcony. And what?

            Lord When will the times come in Russia when the state will be for the people, and not as the people are for the state now!

            Yes! Yes, kill these children for your justice, starshina78. The rest, plus this Chikatilu!
            1. +9
              7 January 2013 18: 30
              And in general, why do we need such a democracy, with deputies such as Lakhova, who is breaking through the law on family planning, in which children will suffer. These scum, in the literal sense, begin to teach our children sex from grades 5 to 11, which will certainly lead to tolerance of pedophilia, child pornography and rape of children. It’s necessary to go to the wall of such creatures, otherwise our laws are too soft. am
              1. donchepano
                +1
                8 January 2013 07: 08
                [quote = Simon] And in general, why do we need such a democracy, with deputies such as Lakhova, who is breaking through the law on family planning, in which children will suffer. These scum, in the literal sense, begin to teach our children sex from grades 5 to 11, which will certainly lead to tolerance of pedophilia, child pornography and rape of children.

                So they are virgins. And to treat them like vicious enemies. Until the partisan war
          2. zevs379
            +7
            7 January 2013 15: 02
            The most interesting thing is that there are families where parents drink and children crawl around the house hungry and dirty and are not taken from their parents. What for ? They probably have congenital diseases due to parental alcoholism, and it will be difficult to sell them. Lord When will the times come in Russia when the state will be for the people, and not as the people are for the state now!


            The article says that the President will not protect our families for us. And why then the President? Can't follow the authorities? Understand. But then do not bother the people to arm themselves and protect themselves from these scum. !!!!
            In general, it is time to communicate more with neighbors and help such families without waiting for "help" from the state.
        2. +9
          7 January 2013 16: 58
          It's time to start cutting and hanging





        3. Khokhol-MSC
          +2
          7 January 2013 18: 52
          In general, so. Donchepano, I'm sorry that beneath you, but the further walking minusculers-truth-tellers are tired.

          1. Weather in Staritsa on December 21, 2012. www.gismeteo.ru/diary/4149/2012/12/
          as we see. The night of December 21 was -22 degrees. At the same time, if you look at the weather from the 19th to the 20th, at night it was up to -27 degrees Celsius. Not only that, there was a cold front. See what temperature was at night from the 23rd to the 24th. -31 degrees Celsius.

          And this, I quote
          4, 2 years, 1 year and less than one year! The reason for the removal of children was declared the absence of firewood in the house, the malfunction of stove heating


          You damn whom you call fascists? AOiP that drove the children to a warm hospital? And why, by the way, mother with the younger ones to the hospital, no one thought?

          2. And here is a little in continuation of the idyll: "children, (as it is written in the inspection report) were inactive, that is, they simply hid behind mom !!! "

          Okay kids under the age of 4. And a child under one year old? Remember your children when they began to walk. Those. the children were inactive not because they hid behind their mother, but rather because of the banal frostbite. Here, from another article of the defenders "Mother is threatened that small children will be taken from her, put with her and taken to hospital"

          3. The author writes about
          parents helped
          . Read paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 and yet imagine that it is your daughter and your grandchildren (your family) that freezes in an unheated house. You will not take them to your place for the winter? Well, damn it, make room to survive breaking?

          4. From another source about this family (the source is also in defense of the family): “Firemen also came, drawing up an act on the malfunction of the stove heating. And they wrote out a fine of 1000 rubles. But what about - a large family does not fulfill the fire safety standards!
          True, of all the houses in the village, only those with many children were fined! "


          Dear forum users. If you are a normal mother, will you ask your neighbors not to get sick from the cold and not to catch children? That is, your stove does not work, there is no firewood. Last night was -27.

          COME ON! Save the children, Dr. Hurray!

          PS About your position. I am against SJ, but I am for a reliable analysis of the situation, with a competent conclusion. All. Now minus :)
          1. +6
            7 January 2013 20: 10
            Just do not flog the rubbish, at -27 they will not be frostbitten, but completely frozen. And at minus temperatures, it’s not possible to sleep for a long time, in principle, try to turn off the engine and sleep for at least 20 degrees in a car for 2 hours. Therefore, if there were no frostbitten corpses in the house, then it was clearly not a minus, but you were lying.
            1. +1
              7 January 2013 22: 23
              Quote: Zhizneslav
              Just do not flog the rubbish, at -27 they will not be frostbite

              Well, actually, no one spoke about -27 in the house
              Quote: Zhizneslav
              Therefore, if the house was not frostbitten corpses, then it was clearly not a minus, and you are lying

              have you tried to read carefully?
              1. +4
                7 January 2013 23: 49
                Of course I am exaggerating, but I don’t think that the house didn’t drown at all, since everyone was still asleep in such a frost in the morning, then everything was fine enough, with stove heating in the morning it’s really cool enough and if you don’t heat it will be minus in the morning, the parents in such a house live. Secondly
                Local activists stood up to protect the Zaitsev-Voskresensky family: the Tver Cossack Brotherhood, the organization For Life and the Protection of Family Values, and the People’s Cathedral movement
                I don’t think that people will intervene just without trying to figure it out. and thirdly, this is far from the first case. Sincerely.
                1. -1
                  8 January 2013 00: 02
                  Quote: Zhizneslav
                  once in such a frost in the morning they were still asleep, then everything was quite normal


                  Well, at 10-14 you can also sleep in a sweater, for example
                  Quote: Zhizneslav
                  with stove heating in the morning it's really pretty cool

                  this mother has young children, what prevented her from getting up at 5 in the morning to melt the stove ?!
                  Quote: Zhizneslav
                  I don’t think that people will intervene just without trying to figure it out

                  unfortunately, how will they be and another question immediately arises, but where were all these defenders before?
                  Quote: Zhizneslav
                  then this is far from the first case
                  I agree, but each case needs to be considered separately, and here above we gave an example of one family from St. Petersburg where the children were vainly taken from their mother, though they forgot to indicate that the mother did not work anywhere and lived only on child allowance and that after the normalization of the situation, the children returned to the family
        4. +4
          8 January 2013 07: 26
          Quote: donchepano
          Need to look for who is all profitable?

          - as far as I know, it is not only Lakhova who moves this. A much more weighty woman is also moving - a certain Matvienko, the former mayor of St. Petersburg. The well-known Dorenko, a well-known Westerner, is moving. At first I could not understand Dorenko's position - I sort of condemned the bogs for fighting with the riot police ... It turned out that he was taking the West as if, "at its best." Obedience to the law is supposedly the best feature of the West, and therefore Dorenko and the marshes for a fight with the riot police cannot have anything in common ... But first, strict observance of the law is not only a Western manifestation. Look at Singapore - the country of fines. Yes, even to Turkey - there Tarkan, the singer adored by all Turks, was really forced to serve in the aomi ... I don't remember such singers in our country. Yes, in the "9th company", of the actors playing in this film, not one served in the army, and even fakies to the question - "what to shoot in a film like the 9th company, did you even serve?" show.
          Well, this is me as an example of law obedience - it is characteristic not only of the West. And in Russia it can be planted without any liberalism and the Western system of values. But for this, at first it would not be bad to reduce the level of corruption in all levels of government. But corruption in the guardianship, about which Magadan hinted in the Sabzh, should be eradicated with a hot iron - okay, there the bureaucrat just popped up grandmothers, and here - some uncle changes the fate of innocent children because of grandmothers, he can completely change this fate. Rate the consequences. Only lifelong in such cases, only lifelong, if it is proved that he took the children out of the family without good reason and with trough motives ... But in general, we didn’t allow this juvenile cannon to be worn on guns - there are enough laws developed in the USSR that are just perform them better.
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            +1
            8 January 2013 11: 14
            Quote: aksakal
            In general, this juvenile cannon is wiped out to prevent from us - there are enough existing laws developed in the USSR, it is simply better to execute them.

            They sabotage all laws, do not want to work, the authorities specifically do the opposite.
      2. sasha127
        +1
        7 January 2013 14: 46
        I completely agree. There they have a way, another kick in the ass to accelerate.
      3. +4
        7 January 2013 14: 56
        I think these gentlemen are in practice fulfilling Dallas's plan to break up the USSR and now Russia. So they need these "gentlemen" here, they will not be paid there, and they can be popular there only as "victims" of the totalitarian regime.
      4. 0
        7 January 2013 15: 33
        I think that there they will become one of many.
      5. +3
        7 January 2013 16: 55
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .Lunina and Agarkova to send to Holland or the USA, there they will become popular.

        Better on the zone and to the "cock's corner".
      6. +12
        7 January 2013 17: 28
        They don’t get green, they purposefully destroy the gene pool. A citizen grows up in a family, in an orphanage, among homosexuals, in camps and an alien language environment - ELECTrorat, who has one task to devour ..... On this subject I will bring the Storm -....

        A six-year-old boy fidgets on a bench in an electric train and frantically dangles his feet. Everything betrays him extremely excited
        indignation: and clenched small fists, and wide eyes wide open for tears, and impatient short remarks with which he interrupts his older companion. A young woman, obviously the boy's mother, with expression reads him a dark scene from a fairy tale: "Chipolino, Cipolino, son! - called, looking around in confusion, the poor old man when the soldiers took him away ...".

        - Enough! - the boy’s indignation probably reached the limit. - Why are they suffering ?!
        “Well, Prince Lemon has a lot of security, the army ...” Mom reasonably smoothes the page.
        “But there are more others!” There are a lot of them! - the boy in despair hits the book with a small fist, and she slams shut. - Why are they ?!
        Mom, slightly frightened by such a violent reaction of her son, tries to pick up a soothing cue when the man opposite breaks away from his newspaper and, looking over his glasses at the revolutionary-minded boy, says loudly and distinctly:
        - Because they are vegetables. This is a fairy tale about vegetables ...

        And our children are wonderful (do not "fuck up" them People)) I use a strong word in order to shake your little heads with the seriousness of the problem ...
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 17: 39
          Quote: Asgard
          A citizen grows in a family, in a shelter .....

          depending on which family, if the father and mother do not dry out from morning till night, idle, then the citizen will succeed
          1. -1
            8 January 2013 00: 02
            so what’s wrong, you’re hungry for yourself
            1. +5
              8 January 2013 01: 29
              One minus was shot by Vladimir (I’m not hungry)) I’ll tell a story from life ... why is it better in the family ..
              A family lives next to me in which they drink. For various reasons, they have three children, younger than mine by a year or two (I did not find out)) In the summer, when they were three years old, these children ran barefoot down the street from early morning, hunger and such parents forced their brains move around these brainy wounded "perestroika" I was surprised how much to splash life in their eyes. They spoke purely, they knew who they could approach and they had (already then)) a goal in life .... (and they were strange, they weren’t sick))
              The code next to them killed a man - they described the criminals (newcomers peasants)) whom they saw for a few seconds, that we found them before the cops
              In life they helped them as best they could, of course occasionally, but of the three, I can safely call people. One turner in the ICP, a girl is studying to be a doctor in Petrozavodsk (studying well)) and their success makes me happy as my children, one child, of course, got bored and stealing, doesn’t want to work, I set people up ....

              (but this also says about Him that the head works)))
              the truth is not in the direction in which I would like to, but in their family they didn’t let them watch TV, they stole their mobile phones, they earned a bicycle - they pulled themselves most on the horizontal bar .....

              there is only one conclusion. Children should be in the family and Nam-People need to perceive all the kids as their own, approach the teens on the streets and wonder why they walk so late in the evening, walking with the dog to join a group of young people and tell them how you played here on the Beatles guitar but didn’t drink beer after which the men don’t (and do not worry) the children already know a lot ..... (which you don’t know)))))

              You can not pick up CHILDREN from ANY families. No matter what ... These are OUR CHILDREN ....
              1. -1
                8 January 2013 10: 16
                Quote: Asgard
                but of the three, I can safely call People

                SORRY THIS AS AN EXCLUSION RULE
                most follow in the footsteps of their parents and continue the tradition of the eternal drunken holiday
      7. +3
        8 January 2013 02: 38
        Lunin and Agarkov should be sent to Holland or the USA, where they will become popular.

        Not! Fuck in the square with all the methods described by them, including animals. For educational purposes.
    2. scrack
      +14
      7 January 2013 10: 39
      We pay taxes, finance the Ministry of Education, and they palm off on us like that. Such people must be sent to a zone or abroad without the right to enter
    3. donchepano
      +17
      7 January 2013 11: 33
      This juvenile justice is hostile to the Russian people.
      It would be better to help the poor.
      In Chechnya they say gah is free for the population.
      They won this right to free resources with weapons in their hands.
      So it would be better if low-income families with many children were also provided with gas for free and even bread, at least for free, as in Turkmenistan, was allocated ...
      By the way, in Turkmenistan gas for the population is also free
      1. scrack
        +11
        7 January 2013 12: 26
        Gazprom head to stifle greed if free gas is introduced for the poor
        1. donchepano
          +5
          7 January 2013 14: 06
          Quote: scrack
          Gazprom head to stifle greed if free gas is introduced for the poor

          Yes, let him and his health assistants suffocate and breathe out.
          Subsoil should belong to the people and not to officials
      2. +3
        7 January 2013 13: 48
        We have all the state hostile to the people.
        Asians are imported, and the Caucasian Russians have long felt themselves masters ...
        Mom is paid 50 rubles of childcare allowance for a child ....
        Tariffs are customized to European ones, forgetting about their LEVEL of salaries ...
        Education has already been made moronic, paid medicine ...
        Wait, they will pass the law on "bankruptcy of individuals" through GoDuru, which means you may be deprived of your last apartment, all your property .... (legally))
        A foreign military base functions on the territory of the country, the Army (the only ally for the people) is destroyed, predatory resources are plundered, not thinking about future generations ..... about our Children and you ...

        And the "YuYu law" and the very possibility of its adoption is the best characteristic of our authorities (we go, so to speak, in the foreground of world trends)) ..... or are we still pursuing an independent policy ??? moski (oh sorry)) monsieur Putin ...
        1. donchepano
          +3
          7 January 2013 14: 09
          Quote: Asgard
          Tariffs are adjusted to the European ones, forgetting about their level of salaries ... Education has already been made moronic, medicine is paid ... Wait a minute, they will pass the law on "bankruptcy of individuals" through GoDuru, which means you may be deprived of your last apartment, all your property .. .. (legally)) A foreign military base is functioning on the territory of the country, the Army is destroyed (the only ally for the people), predatory resources are being plundered, without thinking about future generations ... about our Children ...


          And why the hell are we to such a government?
    4. +3
      7 January 2013 12: 56
      On December 17, 2012, along with LDPR deputy Yelena Afanasyeva, Ekaterina Lakhova initiated amendments to the bill being considered by the State Duma in response to the adoption of Magnitsky’s law in the United States, which prohibits the adoption of Russian orphans by American citizens and terminates the relevant Agreement with the United States. In RuNet and the media, the Lakhovoy bill was called the "law of scoundrels." In response to criticism of this initiative by the Minister of Education, Dmitry Livanov, Lakhova said that he does not understand the problems of orphans and "does not understand what the Ministry of Education is." Also in various media interviews in connection with the new law, she answered questions to what will happen to orphans now, that “Either they will remain in orphanages, or they will fall into our families”, as well as “Someone, maybe, to adopt. And if he does not adopt, then they will be with us in the child’s house. ” An orphan refused the offer of journalists to adopt herself. Lakhova also believes that in Russian medicine "there are no problems."

      You look what a russophobia, such a choke with their own hands.
    5. YARY
      +17
      7 January 2013 13: 00
      IF SUDDENLY (SA) VENALS CAME TO ME

      Would kill mercilessly! And to their relatives after me, my relatives granted a "humanitarian" mission!
      1. 46bob46
        +9
        7 January 2013 18: 00
        they came to me in 2008. The representative of edr, a woman in juvenile affairs and 2 grymyzas from the social welfare department. Show
        Adults are children, in a house, although it’s a rented house, there is everything. How and why they were sent to me is a mystery. But the representative of edra with foam at her mouth proved that it would be wonderful for my children not at home with their parents, but in a rehabilitation center! At that time, my income was twice as high as the average in the city.
        But like many in the mid-90s, my family sat on the water, often there wasn’t even bread. I just reminded this goblet-95 we came to you in the district labor department, in the department of motherhood and childhood with a request to help children - not us, at least with groceries. As I remember right now, the aunt sits in three girths and so indignantly, There was nothing to give birth! He lowered them all. It’s a pity I won’t give in the face. I will not give either my children or the children of my children.
    6. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 19
      And who works in the ministry ?? And who is sitting in the State Duma ??? And what result do we expect from this ?!
      1. +6
        7 January 2013 15: 38
        And who is the last to sign these laws ?!
    7. +3
      7 January 2013 14: 00
      Here in the summer on OKE there was a battle on this subject.
      Here is a debriefing for those interested.

      If you remember, at the beginning of August, Alex wrote an article “Alex Zes: Juvenile Justice, One Reasonable Voice" For ", Against the Background of Massive Opposition", where he allegedly examined in detail the problem of the so-called. "Child protection". I had to study it in detail in order to understand what methods the editorial staff of the portal uses to promote anti-human ideas. Let not everyone support him, but the general direction is still being built by the editorial staff of the site.
      And since here on the Oka we criticize the editorial board down, we began to post the results of checks of this and other articles on separate resources. There will be a desire to get acquainted with the applied methods of the “editorial office”, see here:
      http://dvaglazazemli.ucoz.ru
      http://gastonglock.livejournal.com


      G.Glock

      I think dear Glock will forgive me for using his material without permission.
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        0
        7 January 2013 14: 05
        Yeah ... by the way, and if they didn’t forget, then he fiercely banned all those who disagree and deleted comments in which he was not praised. Then the JCE lost a lot of people because of one reasonable voice.
    8. +4
      7 January 2013 14: 51
      They were ... if they had already abandoned the Soviet model of education,
      and switched to the defective western. Of course, the Soviet model is also not perfect and it could be supplemented with something, but it was not necessary to break it at all. Whatever the case, it was this system that allowed the USSR to quickly recover from the war and gain a leading position in the world in many industries.
    9. webdog
      +5
      7 January 2013 16: 39
      I am sorry that I am not writing a topic, but a very relevant topic:

      "bookmarks in military protected computers from Taiwan and Canada in the Russian army"

      The figure shows this "handsome"
      I was not lazy and filmed this "miracle" on my mobile phone, here it is.
      “Mobile Computing Complex MVK-2”

      This material is more for professionals than for users. But it is useful for them to know that "The enemy is eavesdropping!"

      At the end of November last year, I came across an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda “Are spy laptops delivered to Russia?”, It was about the Getac A790 protected laptop of the Taiwanese company Getac Technology.

      At the end of November last year, I came across an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda “Are spy laptops delivered to Russia?”, It was about the Getac A790 protected laptop of the Taiwanese company Getac Technology.

      The article talked about the presence on this computer of a preloaded program Computrace LoJack, developed by the Canadian company Absolute Software. It was alleged that the program comes in activated form and immediately tries to connect to servers in Canada. In addition, the manufacturer encouraged sellers of equipment in Russia to provide her with forward information about customers of these secure computers.

      In conclusion, an unequivocal conclusion was made about the target action of a potential adversary and it was argued that these computers are widely used in the Russian armed forces ....

      After reading an article in Komsomolskaya Pravda, I immediately remembered the material of two years ago dedicated to the same program on rom.by website “BIOS Trojan from Absolute Software”. It described the mechanism for placing and working in BIOS a software module for network activation of remote control and monitoring programs of a computer system. So the topic is not new, it simply could not even have crossed my mind that the military was buying such “scorched” equipment.

      everything did not fit (((
      here is the link: - http://warfiles.ru/show-14810-kitayskie-zakladki-golyy-korol.html
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +3
        7 January 2013 18: 01
        webdog If a state buys everything abroad, such a state does not have a right to exist, it itself has given it to more intelligent and strong.
    10. +3
      8 January 2013 00: 33
      Colleagues, please remind me how we got there with the article on child abuse? All of the above about sex-education falls under this. In the end, the ancient subject "Ethics and Psychology of Family Life", for all its naivety, was a good idea ... True, poorly implemented.
      As for the juveniles, we are Russian, which means we can negotiate with each other to protect against this plague; you can not open the door and call the police (probably a naive opinion?), throw the juveniles out physically; having agreed, declare a campaign of civil disobedience ... But you never know what you can come up with. As world experience has shown, the idea of ​​reciprocal terror is also not bad.
      1. +1
        8 January 2013 00: 44
        Quote: Uhalus
        you can not open the door and call the police (probably a naive opinion?), throw the juveniles out physically

        of which I spoke, who the hell would break into my house especially in the morning, and if you also woke me up, God forbid ...
  2. djon3volta
    -32
    7 January 2013 10: 14
    show me at least one parent from whom the child was taken because of poor repair or that they have little money. I saw several times in the criminal news how the alcoholics take their kids away, yes, I saw it, they really have little money and poor repair .. not, they work hard and get little, which they spend as much as 80% of their income on alcohol.
    By the way, did you find a NATO base near Ulyanovsk? wassat
    1. +11
      7 January 2013 10: 25
      Quote: djon3volta

      show me at least one parent from whom the child was taken because of poor repair or that they have little money

      You do not closely follow the news, there have already been such cases in Russia.
      1. djon3volta
        -19
        7 January 2013 10: 54
        WERE ... and how many such cases were there for a year, for example? Well, how many? Is there a specific number? Two cases cited in the article have already been equated to fascism, cool!
        1. +10
          7 January 2013 10: 58
          Quote: djon3volta
          WERE ... and how many such cases were for the year for example?

          Unfortunately, such infa rarely reaches the media, but this year, at least three times it was like that. How many cases are left behind the scenes. As for fascism, if children are taken away from you for this reason, in five minutes you’ll be yelling yard -Fascists !!!
          1. djon3volta
            -13
            7 January 2013 11: 08
            say three cases, at least? and maybe three cases were MAXIMUM? how many cases remain behind the scenes is unknown .. maybe unknown, because there are no more such cases? here I have this version, there were no cases, and therefore it is unknown.
            1. +10
              7 January 2013 11: 20
              Quote: djon3volta
              here I have such a version, there were no cases, and therefore it is not known.

              And I have a counter question, but did you just get interested?
              And each case is a tragedy in a single family, but the main thing is not in yours, is it true?
            2. +13
              7 January 2013 11: 25
              Quote: djon3volta
              say three cases, at least? or maybe three cases were MAXIMUM? how many cases are left behind the scenes is unknown .. maybe unknown, because there are no more such cases?

              For you, this is statistics, but for children and their parents, a disfigured life.
            3. andrey122
              +1
              7 January 2013 14: 39
              Minimum Min.
            4. 46bob46
              +2
              7 January 2013 18: 19
              Stsuko almost touched me directly, and you're talking about three and four. minus you.
          2. 0
            7 January 2013 14: 31
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Unfortunately, such infa rarely reaches the media.


            And here’s the real problem, even if you take the case described in the article, then forgive me, he is somehow drawn by the ears, far-fetched and not entirely correct
            As in any rural house, it was cold in the morning, because the stove was heated in the evening !!!
            Mr. author, what kind of nonsense is it, they heat the stove when necessary, sometimes 2 or three times a day, we find the answer to your not quite correct phrase
            To remarks that it is cold in most houses now, and that when his father arrives with earnings, he will buy firewood
            this means that there is simply no firewood, which is why the house is cold, and not because the stove has cooled down in the evening and it has not yet been flooded.
            after that, one question arises: what kind of devil did Dad dump in the winter to earn money leaving young children without a supply of firewood? !!!

            The family is poor, the father works wherever possible, parents helped, the wife sat at home with the children, turned to officials for financial assistance ... (but he did it in vain!) In short, an ordinary Russian village family
            mr author do you know many village families? !!!!

            At that moment, when the guardianship authorities broke into the house early in the morning, they were still asleep, the frightened children (as it is written in the inspection report) were inactive, that is, they simply hid behind their mother !!!
            Sorry, but to hell with me who will burst home at least in the morning, at least in the evening, at least in the afternoon, if a normal family a mother would have torn ALL for her children, and apparently this is a normal drinking family (I can’t assert of course with a 100% guarantee, but I think that it’s So)
            1. -1
              7 January 2013 15: 18
              and the one who zaminusovat can really debate something and object to me ?!
              there is no need to minus a lot of mind, shouting cheers too, there is a problem, including with nonsense about sexual education, but this has no relation to concrete examples

              Someone from the forum can tell that his children at school were asked questions about their attitude to homosexuals or gruhovukha?
              1. Galina
                +10
                7 January 2013 16: 10
                Dear Vasilenko Vladimir, djon3volta,
                at the school where my daughters studied, there were meetings of doctors (?) with schoolchildren (13-14 years old) as part of the family planning program. They talked about safe sex, handed out brochures of the same content, handed out condoms. It began with the words: "Well, if you wanted to ..." And no words about abstinence, love, marriage, culture and other unfashionable concepts. I know from my friends about the same actions in other schools. Most of all I was surprised by the activity of the class teachers in these matters. These women are not young, but, apparently, wanting to be advanced, they strongly supported this topic.
                Of course, homosexuality, gangbang and bestiality we have not yet been in school. But still ahead. The main thing is that there are uncles or aunts of an authoritative appearance with booklets in their hands, leaving the director’s office.
                And in vain you triumphantly exclaim: "someone from the forum can tell that his children at school were asked questions about their attitude to homosexuals or group sex?". It is not necessary for this to have a massive character. The principle is simple: little by little, little by little, so that at first they get used to the fact that it is already somewhere, and there it will be possible to impose massively, and in an orderly, violent manner. students have known me about pederasty since the age of seven - the Internet, videos, films, friends and parents, of course, all help. Children are “enlightened.” Now the task is different - to legitimize this all in their brains through school. Therefore, I am not at all I am optimistic about “multisex-enlightenment.” This should be fought in the bud, before it's too late.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2013 16: 50
                  Quote: Galina
                  And no words about abstinence, love, marriage, culture and other unfashionable concepts.

                  Personally, how did you like this mom?
                  Quote: Galina
                  And in vain you triumphantly exclaim: "Someone present at the forum can tell that his children at school were asked questions about the attitude towards homosexuals or group sex?"

                  what is the judgment about victorious exclamations?
                  it was a question at what concrete and on a subject
                2. donchepano
                  +1
                  8 January 2013 07: 22
                  Quote: Galina
                  This battle must be given in the bud, before it is too late.


                  WAR TIME TO ANNOUNCEMENT !!! PEOPLE ... PARTISAN
              2. 11Goor11
                +4
                8 January 2013 00: 06
                Vasilenko Vladimir
                and the one who zaminusovat can really debate something and object to me ?!

                I didn’t minus, but let's logically: juveniles arrived early in the morning, how could they find out about the low temperature as a reason for the removal of children before we arrived? Are they remotely measuring the temperature? But we were going to take away. They KNEW where they were going, that their father was working, there would be one frightened woman at home, and it would be banal to get INTO the face. And the low temperature - the first thing that came to mind, "Yes, your floors are not swept! And the toys are wooden! WHAT is it with your children !? WHY are your children SCARED and CRYING, do you ABUSELY treat them ?!" No one will pay attention to weak objections that the children of juveniles were scared.
                You can find fault with anything.
                1. 0
                  8 January 2013 00: 21
                  Quote: 11Goor11
                  juveniles arrived early in the morning, how could they find out about low temperature as a reason for removing children before they arrived?

                  Well, I think that logically it is just simple, we arrived more like a family, registered for sure. about temperature, just see the absence of firewood
                  Quote: 11Goor11
                  No one will pay attention to the weak objections that the children of the juvenile scared

                  Chesz a word to me, I don’t care at all ANY assaults in MY house are off topic, there is no court decision, I ask everyone to ..., for ... and I won’t even debate.
                  Quote: 11Goor11
                  They KNOW where they were going, that father was on earnings, there would be one frightened woman at home, and corny SOME would be in the face

                  laughter on a stick it's me about the face, a woman in the village may not seem to scoop so little.
                  and Mother for a child will tear everyone at all, well, if she is Mother
                  1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                    +3
                    8 January 2013 00: 31
                    And city mothers leading their children from 3 to 17 years old to some kind of beauty contests, where, for example, girls of 10 years old in swimsuits walk the catwalk is this normal? It seems to live in warmth, but the mind does not increase.
                    1. 0
                      8 January 2013 00: 46
                      and this is the same as juvinalism, only in profile - this is the destruction of the institution of the family - Roda
                      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                        +2
                        8 January 2013 01: 00
                        This is a devastation in the minds. For example, girls who dream of becoming all sorts of models are the beginning of some social problems, just like boys who dream of becoming killers.
                        Go to the orphanage and see how the children are waiting for their addict mothers who brings him a bag of cheap juice, but this juice is the most delicious for the child, parents need help on their feet and overcome chronic poverty, help analyze the situation, get out of an inadequate understanding of the situation, help understand who and what offers.
                        People are not protected (not everyone works in the police).
                      2. +2
                        8 January 2013 10: 47
                        Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
                        see how the children are waiting for their addict mothers who brings him a bag of cheap juice, but this juice is the most delicious for the child, parents need help to get on their feet and overcome chronic poverty

                        who is arguing with this? Mother is sacred, but where it is better for the child to be a drug addict or in the orphanage at home, probably not even worth discussing.
                        and no one speaks of poor families in them sometimes love is more than in the family of oligarchs and the absence or availability of toys is nonsense, they bought enough toys for me in childhood, but for some reason they were my favorite ones and the boys envied my wooden guns that shot bullets, nosy drunks and drug addicts should be closely monitored
                      3. SAVA555.IVANOV
                        +1
                        8 January 2013 11: 30
                        I remember these guns the problem was to get a "milk jug" well, nothing like that got out)))))) And on a tourniquet with savings it happened from school money and to the pharmacy and preferably a light tourniquet, it was better))))))))))) )))) Aluminum bullets made of "noodles" stretched wire))))))))))))) But then from childhood they knew it was impossible to shoot at people (except for those who played "war"), they knew that they also had a flashlight you can't shine in the eyes of passers-by, a lot We already knew in childhood what can and what can not))))))))))))) True, sometimes they violated)))))))))
                        ATTENTION - this is what these families just do not have, not punitive and so-called auxiliary.
            2. 46bob46
              +1
              7 January 2013 18: 38
              Vasilenko Vladimir (1
              Do you know the average salary of a rural teacher? And a tractor driver? I can estimate for the black earth-6 thousand without methodical and 7-8 man if he does not steal a solarium. How much should I give for coal (firewood) to a rural family if, for a minimum, heat treatment requires 3,5 tons of coal or 8 cubic meters of firewood?
              20 for shitty coal excluding delivery!
              For what they will excuse me to eat?
              1. 0
                7 January 2013 19: 03
                Quote: 46bob46
                How much should be given for coal (firewood) to a rural family if, for a minimum, heat treatment requires 3,5 tons of coal or 8 cubic meters of firewood?

                Well, actually I do not live in the same city

                a trailer for firewood of 5 pieces costs, you can prepare yourself (I do not buy firewood) so do not agitate me for the Soviet regime

                for the sake of interest, I just scored selling wood in the net - oak ash chopped 5 cubes of 7500, in another offer 1000 per cubic meter http://spb.pulscen.ru/products/drova_kolotyye_prodam_drova_kolotyye_s_dostavkoy_
                kupit_drova_spb_drova_spb_13048800, so treat those who don’t know what it is about
                1. 46bob46
                  +2
                  7 January 2013 20: 30
                  http://newtariffs.ru/tariff/tarify-roznichnye-tseny-na-ugol-realizuemyi-kursktop
                  prom-nas
                  eleniyu-kurskoi-oblasti-deistvuy-0
                  price link a year ago
                  and mom will have to chop wood, because the sale price is 1 ruble and delivery
                  20 heal yourself
                  1. -3
                    7 January 2013 22: 34
                    Quote: 46bob46
                    heal yourself

                    I didn’t understand, we drank to the Brudershaft, but I didn’t even notice ?!
                    Quote: 46bob46
                    price link a year ago

                    eu and why are you throwing links to coal to me?!, the stove is perfectly heated by firewood, as I understand, there is no water heating in the house to cry for coal
                    Quote: 46bob46
                    and mom will have to chop wood, because the sale price is 1 ruble and delivery

                    Well, I don’t know how you are, and with us, delivery will cost three hundred rubles for a tractor trailer, about whoever cuts will be at seven, sort of like father
                    1. -1
                      8 January 2013 10: 51
                      it is not necessary to put a minus or plus of a big mind, it is more difficult to reasonably prove that I'm wrong or vice versa right, and with this, apparently, some have big problems
                      what is wrong prices are wrong, bring others
              2. merkel1961
                +2
                8 January 2013 09: 47
                For the creation of such conditions, it is necessary to take power for one place, and then deal with it. Yu-actually provoke us to retaliate for the corruption of Western-style children. Well, if there are fagots raised with their tolerance, then we don’t need it !
              3. sergeybulkin
                +1
                8 January 2013 12: 11
                Why are there such numbers ?! Ton of coal 2000 rub. with delivery 2500r. per ton. Tons of coal will easily last for the winter and still remain. Firewood machine 5 - - 6 thousand rubles. already impaled. It is certainly not cheap, but they do not buy it every month!
                Most likely, the author of the article gave a very unsuccessful example. Everything is really very bad in this family.
                If on the street -20, - in a wooden house in the evening you can’t heat the stove, in the morning it will be +3 ... + 5 and no heaters will help! At this temperature, a small child (and an adult) can easily freeze to death.
        2. donchepano
          +7
          7 January 2013 11: 28
          You three-volt john is clearly in the custody of Chuba
        3. andrey122
          0
          7 January 2013 14: 38
          We will equate you now
        4. 0
          7 January 2013 15: 45
          Here are some examples
          http://ruskline.ru/analitika/2012/12/07/malenkij_timosha_vozvrawyon_v_semyu
          http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2012/11/05/yuvenalnyj_bespredel_v_pushkine
          Further search in the subject
          http://ruskline.ru/tema/obwestvo/yuvenal_naya_yusticiya/?p=3
      2. Khokhol-MSC
        +5
        7 January 2013 13: 23
        Let's look at this article without cheers. Yet you are commentatorsAnd not flock of sheep, which the author-shepherd leads in the direction he needs, and if you are already taking it into account, do not allow manipulating your opinion with such primitive methods.

        At the moment, 42 pluses per article! To go nuts. And the juggling of data in the article is a juggling. Total? 42 fools who are for the murder by indifferent parents of their 4 children with the full connivance of relatives? Let them die, but in the family, so DEAR?

        Well, gentlemen are good. Let's go read without juggling. Facts:

        1. Stove heating does not work for more than six months! Dad, who doesn’t work, but has been interrupted for more than a few years only by part-time hands from ... do they grow to repair?
        2. Winter. Frost. Not firewood, no stove, no shit! Dad vapshche in another area, Kui laid on the family. Well, would you do that? You don’t know that winter will come in the fall, and you just would have scored on your family?
        3. Children freeze. What the heck are relatives helping (as the author writes tearfully with snot), if they left the children in this glacier and did not take it with their mother for the winter? PEOPLE!!! AU?!? Where is the help of relatives? Well, do you think with your head, or where? Is the author a liar, or uses the wrong material?
        4. The whole county what? Did not see? Or did such kind uncles come only when it was profitable for them to promote?

        And now about the author of the article. Leaving the family aside, and who is not too lazy, before sculpting the cons, read the REAL story on the Internet (the author cheats here too: "Let me just selectively quote what I read (on the website trueinform.ru)") let's see what data and laws gives links? How does one get a tear out of a fool in sandals? Draft laws from 2003? Emotional background of the article and biting epithets, to enhance the effect by initially setting the mantra "I can't write articles"? Doesn't it seem to you that the person, on the contrary, is a professional journalist who competently, with a clear understanding of techniques and a cold mind, writes out pitiful texts at a price of $ 5 per 1000 characters without spaces?

        And about the current situation is silent? And why, let me ask? After all, the juvenile pic was earlier, in 2009, and sex clearance in general in 2002-2004.
        1. Eraser
          +1
          7 January 2013 13: 57
          I agree, especially for this example
          ULAN-UDE, January 3. / Correspondent of ITAR-TASS Alexey Subbotin /. In Chita, a criminal case was initiated on the death of two young children from hypothermia under the articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation "causing death by negligence to two or more persons" and "failure to fulfill the duties of raising minors."

          "According to the investigation, at the end of December 2012, a man and a woman, common-law spouses, having four young children, the youngest of whom was barely one year old, left the children unattended in the house and went off to drink alcohol. The sisters of the deceased boys at the age of one year and were hospitalized for three years with frostbite of the legs, "explained Yegor Markov, a spokesman for the Investigative Department.

          and now
          "In addition, the investigation will give a principled assessment of the inaction of the employees of the police juvenile affairs unit, who did not work with a dysfunctional family, where they have been abusing alcohol for a long time," Markov said.
          but you won’t return the children anymore.
        2. +2
          7 January 2013 14: 04
          Bravo!!! You wrote for me what I thought, the first minus of the article is mine (why not yours?). I will give two quotes to confirm your words:

          “On December 21, 2012 ... guardianship authorities took away all four children ... The absence of firewood in the house, malfunction of stove heating, a small number of toys, and poor sanitation were declared grounds for the removal of children ...”

          Let us leave the toys and unsanitary conditions on the conscience of the writer, but the firewood and stove are confirmed:
          firewood, when his father arrives with earnings, he will buy

          Think about it - a private house (not an apartment), December 21 (the day of the winter solstice, you could say otherwise - the longest night), there is no firewood !!! so also the stove is malfunctioning. I can’t imagine such a thing in the village. Therefore, put the article minus.
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            +3
            7 January 2013 14: 13
            The minus is not mine because:

            having seen such material where people with 2, 1 and less than a year old children’s pity in the morning actually show no signs of life, and about fifty comments, which, they say, on the number of freaks that families destroy,

            I just registered to express a request to readers not to cut everyone off the shoulder, to be thoughtful, because in the end, this is just a couple of bits of information for you, and there we are talking about living people.

            PS And only those registered in the rights to evaluate articles are infringed)))
            1. andrey122
              -2
              7 January 2013 14: 46
              To make sure that people like you no longer give signs of life
              1. Khokhol-MSC
                +1
                7 January 2013 14: 54
                stop lying and protect the killers
          2. andrey122
            -4
            7 January 2013 14: 44
            And I can imagine that you distort and protect criminals.
            Less to you.
            1. Khokhol-MSC
              +1
              7 January 2013 14: 54
              Presented? Now confirm. Assassin
          3. +2
            7 January 2013 14: 54
            Quote: El13
            Think about it - a private house (not an apartment), December 21 (the day of the winter solstice, you could say otherwise - the longest night), there is no firewood !!! so also the stove is malfunctioning. I can’t imagine such a thing in the village

            you can even imagine it if you understand what kind of family it is, in our neighboring village last year such a mother burnt her child alive, and left her neighbors at - 20 naked, he hung a diaper on an electric heater and dried it on his girlfriends to eat vodka when it came to itself, everything was already burning, firefighters extinguished the house, but it was no longer possible to live in it and the child died
            1. +2
              7 January 2013 15: 21
              I exaggerated that I can’t imagine, of course I can, it’s even worse than that, but only normal people can’t do that, that's where my conclusions come from.
        3. andrey122
          -1
          7 January 2013 14: 43
          "The stove heating has not been working for more than six months!"
          There is no such thing in the text.
          ". Winter. Frost. No firewood, no stove, no shit! Daddy was in another area, shook the family. Well, would you do that? You don't know what winter will come in the fall, and you just family? "
          Again the lie sucked out of the finger.
          Go to ... fucking reader.
          In hell you read books to the devil
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            +1
            7 January 2013 15: 02
            Quote: andrey122
            "The stove heating has not been working for more than six months!"
            There is no such thing in the text.

            And the Internet cannot be used to parse this case. There are a lot of people like you - teary killer defenders. Kind of such ....
            http://gifakt.ru/archives/index/opyat-zabrali-detej-u-mnogodetnyx/
            Total, guardianship authorities came 4 times, firefighters 1 time, a fine was ordered. etc. How much time has passed? Or did they ride every day? Prove it.

            Again the lie sucked out of the finger.

            You are a liar. The fact that there is no firewood and the stove does not work, the vehicle itself wrote. Dad in another area. Also indicated here. Relatives from the unheated house of children and the mother did not pick up.

            Go to ... fucking reader.

            Undress to your underpants, take a mattress, and take out your beer knot on the street in Epiphany frosts. Spend the night on a bench, then blather.
          2. donchepano
            +1
            8 January 2013 07: 32
            Quote: andrey122
            "The stove heating has not been working for more than six months!"


            GAS IN RUSSIA SHOULD BE ANYWHERE.

            WHY IN THE CAUCASUS EVEN IN THE MOUNTAIN AULS THE GAS IS CONNECTED?
            AND THERE ARE WINTERS NOT COMPARED WITH RUSSIAN
            1. -1
              8 January 2013 11: 03
              Quote: donchepano
              GAS IN RUSSIA SHOULD BE ANYWHERE.

              at today's connection prices, this will not have any effect, in addition, if there was oven heating in the house, it is still a plus of at least 100 thousand to install the system, and gas prices when heating the house oh are not cheap, at least with solid you can’t compare with fuel, it’s better to supply electricity at a normal price and normal quality, then gas and gas are not needed
        4. 0
          7 January 2013 14: 45
          Well, read the real story: http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2010/9/20/u_mnogodetnogo_svyawennika_otbirayut_detej How is it?
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            +4
            7 January 2013 14: 55
            Consider each family individually. It is impossible to interfere with all cases in one mess. Right?
          2. YARY
            0
            7 January 2013 15: 47
            VALERY
            I read it. It's horrible that the freaks (officials) are pushing us back, in essence, this is a psychological trauma for the family for a century! For such a deprivation of work is minuscule! But the real term for violating the "general line" of the government on increasing the birth rate and sabotage would be just right! With confiscation!
            Another visual lesson!
            1. +1
              7 January 2013 16: 07
              Quote: Ardent
              violation of the "general line" of the government on increasing the birth rate

              increasing birth rates due to antisocial elements is not the best way to improve the gene pool
              1. 46bob46
                +3
                7 January 2013 18: 49
                Who should decide who is social and who is not? my youngest friend at age 13 came
                (ran away) from the boarding school, where he was 2 years old, to my mother who quit drinking. I walked 40 km. in winter from near Oboyan to Kursk. It has been 3 years already. The family is abundant and happy.
                That's it.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2013 19: 10
                  Quote: 46bob46
                  Who should decide who is social and who is not?

                  let's not deal with demagogy
                  Quote: 46bob46
                  mom who quit drinking. walked 40 km. in winter from near Oboyan to Kursk.

                  and what do you mean by that ?!
                  mother drank apparently she was deprived of parental rights, according to your words she quit drinking, SHE SUBMITTED TO RESTORE THESE RIGHTS?
                  1. 46bob46
                    +2
                    7 January 2013 20: 36
                    Does the legal aspect concern you or the moral one?
                    Maybe you are a human rights activist? Do you know how much time it takes to deprive the rights, and then restore the rights? Although in essence there are no problems for a long time?
                    1. 0
                      7 January 2013 22: 36
                      Quote: 46bob46
                      Do you know how much time it takes to strip rights

                      and the woman described above was deprived of parental rights because she crossed the street in the wrong place?
                      so that you wouldn’t have to restore the stalemate before, you had to drink it, and now you really have to prove that there are no problems
    2. donchepano
      +10
      7 January 2013 11: 26
      Quote: djon3volta
      show me at least one parent from whom the child was taken because of poor repair or that they have little money .... but found a NATO base near Ulyanovsk?

      Ugly laws are adopted by the Lakhovs and other destroyers of Russia ...
      And to drive this Sokolov from the guardianship department
      1. +8
        7 January 2013 12: 43
        Lakhova, Sokolova, Lyapina ... It would seem that they are Russian women, but here, it seems, there are big disagreements with the psyche. Such, not that close to the children, it is advisable to heal thoroughly in the appropriate "sanatoriums"!
        1. +2
          7 January 2013 13: 09
          baskoy,
          Quote: baskoy

          Lakhova, Sokolova, Lyapina ... It would seem that they are Russian women, but here, it seems, there are big disagreements with the psyche. Such, not that close to the children, it is advisable to heal thoroughly in the appropriate "sanatoriums"!

          Not everything is so simple! Yes, and you can hardly call them sick either. Magadan wrote in the article what motives they may have! Trafficking in organs, now brings in income no less am than drugs and weapons!
          Therefore, I think the love of children from them has acquired a somewhat perverted character — the love of money for their organs!
          1. +5
            7 January 2013 16: 29
            I can’t say for the whole country, I’ll say like ours. Bodies of guardianship and social protection we nah..r are not needed. My first child 17 was born years ago. Since then, no one has ever wondered how the family lives, if anything is needed. One time they called, asked, and they say, three children, according to our data, are they all alive, have they become adults, maybe it’s time to remove the family from the register as having many children. I say we have four, all minors. And where, he says, the fourth came from you. I say, you specifically answer, or guess yourself? I went as a child to draw up child benefits, as I was rolled out a list of documents and certificates that I need to collect, I tell them that I should quit my job so that it’ll hurt you all. One aunt says, you still collect the documents, otherwise we get benefits mainly from Gypsies and Baptists. Let them say they get it; I will somehow feed my children myself.
            1. 46bob46
              +1
              7 January 2013 18: 58
              100% hit. There is a national program, there is money and the opportunity to increase your status result: more children and different for rehabilitation. The standard of living of their families is nah. Optimization is not figlimli.
            2. +1
              7 January 2013 23: 15
              Quote: sergey32
              One aunt says you still collect the documents, otherwise we get benefits mainly from Gypsies and Baptists. Let them say they get it; I will somehow feed my children myself.

              Aunt right! Gather the documents! Let our taxes not only be spent on garbage items. This is a matter of principle. And money is not superfluous. If the amount is ridiculous, then multiply it by 12 months (i.e. per year), maybe already not bad.
        2. YARY
          +2
          7 January 2013 13: 20
          Lakhova, Sokolova, Lyapina ... It would seem that they are Russian women, but here, it seems, there are big disagreements with the psyche. Such, not that close to the children, it is advisable to heal thoroughly in the appropriate "sanatoriums"!


          Reins at the stable on Thursdays !!!
          1. donchepano
            +4
            7 January 2013 14: 18
            Quote: Ardent
            Reins at the stable on Thursdays !!!



            2 times daily - morning and evening.
            After the procedures, a piece of cake and 2 tablespoons of feed
        3. Dawd
          +5
          7 January 2013 13: 21
          They should not be in a sanatorium, but they should hang these witches in public, so that others would not be disgusted, they are enemies of the people, traitors, all our troubles come from them, destroyed our country, now they want to finish off, but they won’t succeed !!!
        4. donchepano
          +2
          7 January 2013 14: 16
          Quote: baskoy
          Lakhova, Sokolova, Lyapina ... It would seem that they are Russian women, but here, it seems, there are big disagreements with the psyche. Such, not that close to the children, it is advisable to heal thoroughly in the appropriate "sanatoriums"!


          What are Russian women ?? Fear God ...
          Comintern’s, the March XNUMX guides of the genocide of the Russian people
    3. AndreyAB
      +4
      7 January 2013 11: 44
      Show you how, yes, to touch probably. But in fact, everything is happening this way so far, but I won’t be surprised if it turns out that their children were received and divided, and not only them, and if they go to demand the law, then it would be easier for officials to deprive the rights, which is done everywhere. And the organization of education and family in Russia in accordance with Western interests (slaves should be exactly as many as necessary and necessarily illiterate) is a national policy - if the president does not see this. By the way, today I saw the appeal of the patriarch and, against the backdrop of this article, the full hypocrisy of the head of the Russian Orthodox Church.
    4. +2
      7 January 2013 13: 43
      There are problems and not small ones with family upbringing; there are many facts. Laws requiring parental responsibility should be!
      But every time the discussion of laws evokes an association with Western orders, for some reason. Can't we work out our own set of norms? The stupidity of Western norms is obvious, when a child is taken out of the family if he once mentioned the spank received from his parents, well, let them experiment on their depraved young generation, and we have our own experience. Based on their experience, and should establish norms of responsibility so as to protect children from parents who are alcoholics, sadists and careless "cuckoos".
    5. donchepano
      +1
      7 January 2013 14: 13
      Quote: djon3volta
      show me at least one parent from whom the child was taken because of poor repair or that they have little money. I saw several times in the criminal news how the alcoholics take their kids away, yes, I saw it, they really have little money and poor repair .. not, they work a lot and get little, that they spend as much as 80% of their income on alcohol. By the way, did you find a NATO base near Ulyanovsk?


      What is it that the 3-volt John "dropped" you? ))
      You do not fit your policy in the Russian people
  3. +15
    7 January 2013 10: 15
    Juvenile justice is an open sabotage against our children and our country, our values. Whoever supports her, under any pretext, is essentially the enemy of the people and even more the enemy of mankind. They should be judged as perverts and put in a psycho hospital as mentally abnormal people, representing an increased danger to society. Because children are the future and this is the hope of the country. If this is lost, then there will be no hope for a rebirth, but there will be no hope, no rebirth.
  4. Oleg1986
    +14
    7 January 2013 10: 22
    As the saying goes, there are few bad people, but they are better organized. There are enough such officials at any level. Moreover, no one has yet heard that children are being taken away from some Muslims, for example. Neither here nor in the West. And why? There it is worth poking into some family, as in about five minutes all the relatives and acquaintances will be there, and it is not a fact that the "social worker" will not go home in parts now or some time later. And we have? "The neighbor's cow died - what a joy." I can't believe that they once helped each other in any situation. Now the motto is - whatever happens. I'm nourishing, but the house is on the edge. In a healthy society, parasites like Lakhovaya do not take root. This means that the soil is nutritious for it, since it is still there, it means that it finds support not only from above, but also in the field. If it comes to that, the United Russia is not swindlers, it is, to some extent, such parasites that tenaciously keep the whole country at the stage of Yeltsin's "achievements." Who supports them, despite all their "struggle" with the regime? Yes, the same liberals who are nourishing and comfortable in the swamp of the 90s. But they have all the union on a material basis. It is fragile. Someday it will burn on them so that you will not get out.
    And only friendly civil society can disrupt plans. Society already exists, or at least some of its outlines. But on account of friendship, there are still big problems. It is enough to go to the district hospital to make sure. In general, everyone knows the truth.
    Merry Christmas everyone!
    1. +12
      7 January 2013 10: 41
      And Merry Christmas to you. Sorry to post this article on such a day
      1. Svobodny
        +10
        7 January 2013 11: 11
        MERRY CHRISTMAS! May peace and harmony prevail in our families, may our children please and respect us, may we be worthy parents, may each new generation be better, more spiritual and purer than the previous one! Then no juvenile justice is not afraid of us !!!
        1. +5
          7 January 2013 11: 53
          It’s good for you in Kazakhstan. I personally was and saw how everything is built on traditions and normal values. Some monuments to their ancestors are worth, which are located along all the tracks and far into the depths of the steppe! There, in any way, all these innovations would be sent to hell.
        2. andrey122
          +1
          7 January 2013 15: 06
          Gold words.
      2. +2
        7 January 2013 13: 01
        Sorry to post this article on such a day

        Everything is fine. Such articles are relevant any day.
      3. andrey122
        +1
        7 January 2013 15: 06
        Thank you, friend, for posting. I myself was already aware, but it did not occur to me to post here. We need more information about these reptiles. The country should know its "heroes"
    2. +6
      7 January 2013 11: 41
      Quote: Oleg1986
      Moreover, no one has yet heard that children are being taken away from some Muslims, for example.

      Yeah, or gypsies, for example. They probably have everything in order. Or maybe they do not mind or are they citizens of the world to whom the laws of Russia do not apply?
    3. +3
      7 January 2013 12: 58
      And we have? "The neighbor's cow died - what a joy." I can't believe that they once helped each other in any situation. Now the motto is - no matter what happens. I'm nourishing, but the house is on the edge.

      Last year we had a similar case in Chernihiv region - this is how the villagers defended through the courts. So all is not lost.
  5. +10
    7 January 2013 10: 28
    Juvenile justice is another nail in the coffin of this civilization.
  6. +9
    7 January 2013 10: 31
    This is one of the results of twenty years of work in the country of "democratic power". It's only the beginning!
  7. +13
    7 January 2013 10: 40
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    show me at least one parent from whom the child was taken because of poor repair or that they have little money
    You do not closely follow the news, there have already been such cases in Russia.

    Another example is the Yakovlev family. They moved to Tatarstan from Ulyanovsk. They had 9 children. When my father was on earnings, the Guardianship Authorities came and took everyone! This was shown on the 1st channel. Hammer in the search in Yandex, read. Children have not yet been returned. The reason for the seizure is the lack of a residence permit, although the parents just stupidly did not have time to make it.
    There are a lot of cases. Especially in the regions where Yuvenalki "pilot projects" were launched.
    Be sure, at least sometimes, let's follow these topics. These are not jokes, all this is happening now!
    1. djon3volta
      -12
      7 January 2013 11: 02
      I heard, I saw. I have a friend in the village, she has a friend who has 5 children, lives without a husband, works as a milkmaid on a collective farm. Someone doesn’t take her children for example. not in mansions and not a millionaire. For example, I guess where, why, and why they sniff out certain negative episodes of life and put them on the network for promotion. Some people themselves do not realize that they are ruining the state with their infidelity.
      1. Horde
        +5
        7 January 2013 11: 20
        for example, I guess where, why, and why they sniff out certain negative episodes of life


        facts such as weaning children from their parents will never be advertised; everything is going on secretly. These facts about which we learn are far from unique.
        1. djon3volta
          -10
          7 January 2013 11: 31
          everything was secret in the USSR, and they didn’t spread the negative in the media and TV, and they did it right, and it’s useless to argue with that. But when in the late 80s there was glasnost and freedom of speech, then it started, and they started to scold everyone and they say we live poorly and everything is bad with us, and the Muscovites comrades came to a rally in the 91st and put the whole country in cancer.
          1. +18
            7 January 2013 11: 46
            In the USSR, if parents thumped, they were sent to LTP. Relatives took the children. Guardianship really helped.
            Juvenile is a new phenomenon. And keeping silent about her is the same as giving freedom to walk like Chiquatillo!
            And if it turns out that the children are then secretly abroad, and then they saw them on the fence?
            I do not try to drive depression. I ask everyone to DARE to look into the problem. And spread rot every single freak from juvenile. Spread rot WORLDWIDE. And it’s specific people, if they really do not refute information about themselves.
          2. Horde
            +4
            7 January 2013 11: 47
            The USSR AT ALL was secret, and the negative was not disseminated in the media


            Do you want to say that in the USSR they took away children and sold abroad? One of the two you either did not live under the USSR or you already forgot everything because of insanity.
          3. 46bob46
            +1
            7 January 2013 19: 09
            This is how it will be with our children, if you don’t give them hands on time
            1. -1
              7 January 2013 20: 05
              http://www.baltinfo.ru/2012/01/24/Mnogodetnaya-Vera-Kamkina-pereekhala-v-novuyu-
              kvartiru-255046
      2. +7
        7 January 2013 11: 48
        Quote: djon3volta
        For example, I guess where, why, and why they sniff out certain negative episodes of life and launch it on the network for promotion. Some people themselves do not realize that they are ruining the state with their infidelity.

        Yes, you finally understand! These are the people! People! What have you forgotten ... for them, for them life and fate, like anyone who died in the war, even if there were two or three of them, we rejoice at the minimum losses, but for their families it is a tragedy, for them, maybe already and then life ended. So here, we are outraged that the Finns took our children away from our pseudo-citizen, and here the children were taken away from our poor parents, because probably the citizen Sokolova is not like they live.
        PS I would probably kill if the children came to me to pick up.
        1. Horde
          +2
          7 January 2013 12: 07
          Quote: Vladimirets
          I probably would have killed if the children came to me to pick up.


          -it is right!!! good
        2. +1
          7 January 2013 13: 15
          Vladimirets,
          I probably would too! winked
      3. lexalex
        +1
        7 January 2013 12: 48
        "... heard, saw. I have a friend in the village, her friend has 5 children, lives without a husband, works as a milkmaid on a collective farm. No one takes her children ..." Please, please do not specify the address of this family! I beg you! Looks like custody just does not know about them! Save them from custody! Do not post details. We believe that you told the truth)
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 16: 27
          This correctly remarked, as with a dog, that at the Moscow airport, that she had been waiting for how old her owner was, They shot a film, showed it on TV, good people had tears in their eyes, they began to collect money for the maintenance of a dog, and for cat dogs this is only a signal for action: came and put the dog to sleep. Unfortunately, such Sharikovs that "they choked, choked, choked, choked ..." still praises. But they did not come to us from abroad, they are the same Russians as we are. Only "perestroika-unfinished" Russians. But many of them really save, because the "unfinished" among us live ... more precisely, they live for time, and only think about vodka, because the brains of the "Moment glue" dried up during the "perestroika".
      4. andrey122
        0
        7 January 2013 15: 08
        Disappear evil
  8. +2
    7 January 2013 10: 45
    there is an excellent collection of science fiction - "Merciless Tolerance" collection of social dystopias, there are very well developed topics of what will happen to Russia if we follow the West's lead in matters of homosexuals and juveniles, who are not too lazy to read, you will understand that when the West does not want to reproduce, but there are white children only in Russia, it will be possible and not to take away ualkas, why from drunks, after all, they have bad heredity, but for the lack of repairs from normal parents, you can take, and the child of drunks for organs.
  9. +7
    7 January 2013 10: 48
    the author is thankful. apparently it’s very painful for you. and I have to agree that it’s scary to stand up for the children. From here the program is for each child’s money, and they are taking it from here. he wants to leave for Russia, to work, to see (there is no education, but given the growing population, it’s hard to find work). I asked if he wants to have a family (daughters), which he fiercely objected that he would not be lucky in Russia children, let it be better they will grow here ... by the way, but when the guys say that at the age of 14 the girl has not been a virgin for a long time, it becomes very scary. If you look, this is a child, but already knowing adult life ...
  10. Horde
    +3
    7 January 2013 11: 04
    there is no doubt that children who are estranged from their families are then sold abroad to people who will mock babies, including sexual perverts, because there have already been such examples. As for child molestation, what else to call release — this disgusting literature and including it into the curriculum that the party of crooks and thieves is engaged in, and now we can say about the EXTENDERS OF THE FUTURE OF RUSSIA.
  11. +20
    7 January 2013 11: 15
    I have two children, sometimes it’s thick and empty with money, but if they took my children I would kill those people who were involved in this. The whole point of our life with our wife is in our children, and if necessary, we will fight for them to the last. (wrote as it was messy, but this whole situation with Yuvinalka causes some disgust, brr.)
    1. +8
      7 January 2013 11: 47
      They come with the police. Usually early in the morning when a person cannot enter the situation. Everything has been worked out there, you just may not have time to turn on psychologically for the fight
      1. +5
        7 January 2013 13: 34
        Even a cornered rat throws itself at a wolf. And we're talking about children! All this juvenile vykhanalia is a sabotage against the Russian state and its centuries-old foundations. It is precisely the revival of Russian primordial traditions and foundations that all sorts of "liberals" are afraid of. So they are trying to destroy the basis - the foundations - the family. It is disgusting that this happens, if without support, then with the complete connivance of the supreme power.
        And do not forget that the patience of the Russian people is not unlimited, and his anger is terrible!
      2. +1
        7 January 2013 16: 39
        Do not enter the situation early in the morning only in a house where there are no doors or locks on it. Let someone try to break into my house in the morning, while the door breaks, I will find something to meet. Several times, police came to the house, questioned as witnesses of crimes, and not a single one even approached the threshold without permission. Even the FSB officer, when he wanted to talk, first asked permission and went into the kitchen where I allowed, But something is wrong with this article. And they entered the door, there was no firewood, it was cold in the house. When I lived in Pustynky (a village 10 km from Mikhailovsky), the Russian stove was drowned once every three days. While the Russian stove cools down completely for two evenings passes and only on the third morning it becomes cool in the house. And the house was not new, 2 years stood empty. He repaired a little and at least that. In such a house there is only one drawback, the floors are cold, the underbelly is underneath. There is a basement with potatoes.
      3. 0
        7 January 2013 17: 02
        Quote: Magadan
        They come with the police. Usually early in the morning when a person cannot enter the situation. Everything has been worked out there, you just may not have time to turn on psychologically for the fight

        bullshit, once I got a dog’s head grabbed, well, I don’t close the door. I don’t live a little in the house of the Barboser, I won’t touch my own and I don’t break without asking, he got in and tried to download. when I realized that you won’t take it in my throat shut up, I went to fight in another place.
        not for any reason, even in the morning, even in the evening, even in the afternoon, even with the police, even without it - PRIVATE PROPERTY IS INVALIDABLE
    2. +2
      7 January 2013 11: 51
      Quote: snik57
      I have two children, sometimes it’s thick and empty with money, but if they took my children I would kill those people who were involved in this. The whole point of our life with our wife is in our children, and if necessary, we will fight for them to the last. (wrote as it was messy, but this whole situation with Yuvinalka causes some disgust, brr.)

      I also unsubscribed above, I have not read your comment yet, I completely agree.
    3. donchepano
      0
      7 January 2013 12: 58
      Quote: snik57
      I have two children, sometimes it’s thick and empty with money, but if they took my children I would kill those people who were involved in this. The whole point of our life with our wife is in our children, and if necessary, we will fight for them to the last. (wrote as it was messy, but this whole situation with Yuvinalka causes some disgust, brr.)


      Well, probably, a normal parent will do the same.
      We must give hands to these destroyers of the family and the state.
      They want expensive for large or poor families, let them help financially, and not learn to live
      1. +1
        7 January 2013 17: 12
        Quote: donchepano
        They want expensive for large or poor families, let them help financially, and not learn to live

        an extremely controversial issue, though normal families are hard to get out on their own, but the drunkard who gives birth in a drunken stupor and knows who to completely deprive of any subsidies
  12. 0
    7 January 2013 11: 21
    in general, on what basis does the government meddle in family affairs? it’s one thing when mom / dad is really called thump, but another thing is when they talk about sex at school, etc. things. Father / mother should talk about this.

    And about the Zaitsev-Voskresenskys, I don’t know, I was in the apartment alone on business, the plaster was falling off the ceiling in pieces, the wallpaper was tied to the walls with tape, on the walls there were only pigeon excrements mixed with feathers, if only that, there’s a lot of cat shit in the bedroom, in the bathroom is overgrown with mold on the ceiling. and small 5 years of age climbs among all this. And the question is: is it worth taking a child out of such an "apartment" (despite the furniture and the computer proudly towering in the corner, the hut itself looked like a bum)?
    1. +1
      7 January 2013 13: 18
      rpek32,
      It’s because of these that they’re rowing everyone under one comb! But the percentage is not comparable !!!
      1. 0
        8 January 2013 15: 13
        So, suggest a "comb design" for exactly such objects as described by rpek32. Will you argue that nothing needs to be done, it will resolve itself? I know it myself, but I've heard even more about such "objects-subjects", but in my environment I can't remember:
        Quote: sergo0000
        row everyone under one comb!

        Here, all the questions, as already in the garbage dump, are mixed together, but it is necessary to discuss issues in different topics, sorting out the rubble in your household.
        When did you receive that sexual "education"? Correctly and delicately you were brought up to date? Who explained to you in childhood where the fifth leg of an elephant / horse suddenly appeared in the zoo? Dad explained, or is it a bastard?
        I don’t know how our ancestors explained these questions to our great-grandfathers, living in a large family in one single room of the hut and washing in the same bathhouse. As it was explained without mental trauma and perversions, and as a result, the girls before marriage were chaste. I suppose that in education from childhood, the authoritatively explained first of all the difference between humans and animals, and then informed about the general sexual reproduction with them. Living in nature, it would be strange if such questions arose only after the wedding wink
  13. +12
    7 January 2013 11: 25
    Merry Christmas everyone!

    The topic is terrible in its cynicism and extremely dangerous in terms of consequences.
    The juvenile flywheel is not spinning in vain. This is one of the links in a large and disgusting chain called "destroy the family values ​​of mankind."
    LGBT, the selection of children is the whole process launched centrally on the planet.
    what is his purpose? Simple. Destroy the Family. And at the same time to destroy such qualities in a person as LOVE CARE RESPONSIBILITY Tenderness Laska, etc.
    All that makes us PEOPLE.
    They want to turn us into a herd that only wants to eat and mate. It will be stupid and obedient. And the children .... well, this is for them only expendable working material. They gave birth ... They took it ... They raised it as a SLAVE ... they sent it for servicing the GOLD BILLION.
    We need to stand to the death. That’s why I’m ready to go to the square.
    Russia is not for Gomiks, Russia is not for juveniles, Russia is not for arrogant Western "democrats".
    READY TO JOIN THE CHAIRMAN.
    GREAT PRINCE VLADIMIR LIGHT VLADIMIROVICH ASSEMBLY SHELVES :)
    CHANGE CIRCLE.


    Z.Y. And to be honest, I really want to take and take the child from one of our juvenile .... .... Well .... that would feel like this.
    And I also know that no matter what happens in the life of his child, he will never give it to anyone. I’ll go to the forests, but I won’t give them up.
    1. Horde
      +2
      7 January 2013 11: 59
      GREAT PRINCE VLADIMIR LIGHT VLADIMIROVICH ASSEMBLY SHELVES :)
      CHANGE CIRCLE.


      You, what kind of Vladimir are you talking about, not the one who is the leader of the party of officials and from which exactly such initiatives are taking place? Wipe your eyes at last. I remember that some year some really patriotic deputies were outraged by the blatant vulgarity of the transfer of Sobchak House 2, prepared a decree to close this "house of tolerance". So the whole course was closed by Putin personally.
      1. +2
        7 January 2013 12: 38
        Horde,

        There is a smile at the end, which means WHAT? Right .... joke

        And as for HOUSE 2 (burn in hell), this is CENSOR, and we have free media (what would they fail), so here it’s impossible in another way. It is then necessary to officially introduce censorship and close 3/4 of television programs.
  14. +5
    7 January 2013 11: 32
    To the author +. It’s worth thinking.
    An example of the fact that the government is against us. I don’t know how anyone, but I will not let these "human rights activists" enter the door. snik57, I fully agree with you.
    1. +5
      7 January 2013 11: 49
      At the expense of the "power" itself, I would not rush to conclusions. There is clearly some kind of fuss going on, which we stupidly cannot know. A lot of people in power are opposed, but believe me, you can do so much dirty trick behind the backs of the authorities.
      I worked as a translator for large executives and personally saw how you can stir up behind your back, having an excuse for everything.
      1. 0
        7 January 2013 13: 41
        Quote: Magadan
        believe me, you can do so much dirty trick with a quiet glanders behind the back of the authorities.

        Especially when the authorities do not want to notice these dirty tricks.
      2. 0
        7 January 2013 13: 57
        At the expense of the "power" itself, I would not rush to conclusions.
        Hello Magadan.
        I would understand if it was a questioner when it was impossible to reach the leaders, but now ... Sorry. You have to be blind and deaf, and most importantly weak-willed to do nothing while standing in power. That our government does not see this problem? I doubt it very much. What power can do nothing? The doubts are the same. Question: But does she need it?
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 17: 04
          Georges: Whose past do you mean? If mine is Soviet, then excuse me, move. Under the Soviet regime, if you need to get to where, you could achieve a lot without a bribe. My older brother in a one-room apartment with three children huddled until one friend asked me to drop a letter in the Kremlin box. There was such a box right on the Kremlin wall hung, like that of Alexander the First. And two weeks later he pounded a three-room apartment, and before that he had not received a reply to a letter. Now, of course, it's easier: my daughter could not achieve the status of a single mother. I dialed the address of the presidential administration on the Internet and two weeks later from MURMANSK! the capitals of our region called and asked not to write to the president anymore and gave the administration phone number. So she used a beaten-up shake through the Internet twice to raise a buchu, one of which was even broadcast on channel 1. I would try someone to roll up to her about a child from social protection. A muddy article on all indicators.
          1. 0
            7 January 2013 17: 11
            : Whose past do you mean? If mine is Soviet
            The fact of the matter is that no. I meant the pre-revolutionary times.

            1925 Poster And no matter how difficult the country was, she cared and thought about her citizens
      3. 0
        7 January 2013 16: 53
        I agree with Magadan. Without the police, such an operation cannot be carried out, and they already know how shoulder straps can fly if the lawyers unearth a violation of the law. It seems that someone performs a special order, collects the negative and brings down a heap to cause excitement and protests. Maybe it’s their social workers who do not allow children to sell abroad, because in such families you can quietly buy children for a box of vodka, and without any documents. After all, the amers did not look at the health of children, and this is alarming for me: after all, it was precisely for unhealthy children in America that they paid more benefits, taking into account the cost of medicines and compensation for the labor costs of raising children. I wouldn’t leave my child, whatever the disadvantage he had, but take a stranger into education with congenital defects, I would think hard. And Amer them right to grab! A muddy article, all on emotions and very professionally - emotionally composed.
    2. +2
      7 January 2013 11: 53
      Quote: GEORGE
      An example of what power is against us.

      This is an example of how scary it is when idiots come to power and the fate of people depends on their decisions.
      1. 0
        7 January 2013 12: 19
        It’s good if these high-ranking officials are simply or maybe they are agents of the special services who are corrupting our people, destroying the economy and the army!
  15. fenix57
    0
    7 January 2013 11: 40
    No, gentlemen, send this "Lokhova" and this practice with a bird's surname to go ... to somewhere. On the subject of "professional fitness". feel
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 11: 50
      That’s for sure, but it’s better to check it yourself with psychiatrists. Although, ... psychiatrists can all be bought without exception.
  16. anchonsha
    0
    7 January 2013 11: 52
    As always in Russia - either to the right or to the left and in no way neutral, in the middle. Why break a spear? Look how many parents, in a drunken stupor, bear children and live like a beast, "raising" their children as drunks. Of course, no one will leave their children. Another thing is that there are bureaucrats who, instead of helping the family financially, take their children, citing that such parents cannot support their children. We must look for ways out of the current situation, and not hysteria, like this author, who himself has never done anything good in the matter at hand. Public control in such matters should work at the local level.
  17. +5
    7 January 2013 11: 57
    There is nothing to add to the article. Similar cases are present, and if the juveniles continue to advance their ideas without encountering active resistance, these cases can become widespread. It is not clear what the juveniles are guided by, and I don’t want to understand, clearly one-juvenile justice will be a disaster for Russia.
  18. +4
    7 January 2013 11: 58
    I understand that we have overcome the demographic crisis and the birth rate is many times higher than mortality? Or is it such a veiled incentive for fertility? We’ll take one type of child, let them give birth to the second. In general, this juvenile justice is just anti-human crap. With the money that it contains, it would be better if the maternity benefits were raised. Bastards.
  19. +4
    7 January 2013 12: 12
    djon3volta (1) Today, 10:54 ↑ ↓ new -5
    WERE ... and how many such cases were there for a year, for example? Well, how many? Is there a specific number? Two cases cited in the article have already been equated to fascism, cool!

    And three cases is not enough for you? And if your child or your relatives, will it already be a lot or what? But judging by your comments you have no children, otherwise you would never have written. I feel sorry for you fool
  20. +8
    7 January 2013 12: 18
    Quote: anchonsha
    It is necessary to look for ways out of this situation, and not be hysterical, like this author, who himself has never done anything good in this question ..

    Outlets were found long ago under the USSR. The drunk parents were handed over to the LTP for three months, and the children at that time lived with relatives. If, nevertheless, parents were deprived of their rights, then the children continued to live with their grandparents, aunts, etc. No bureaucrat had the right to hammer a snout into someone else's family.
    Quote: anchonsha
    and not hysteria, like this author, who himself has never done anything good in the matter submitted ..


    Once we saw a boy on the street for 7 years, in winter in rubber boots. Trembling from the cold and picking something there in the snow. He lived with his grandmother, mother was very ill. My wife began to fuss, found their relatives. One of the relatives found himself with connections and money (he lived in another city). Women from guardianship then, by the way, helped to find. It was only in the 90s, even before the introduction of the ideas of juvenile fascism. Mom was cured, she even began to walk. Everything is fine with the boy, and by the way, with his sister, too, who was 13 years old at that time.
    I really did nothing, but my wife did.
    1. +4
      7 January 2013 13: 25
      Magadan,
      Honor and praise to you and your wife Magadan! And the article was written relevant and excellent !!! hi + + + +
      1. +3
        7 January 2013 14: 00
        Thank you for your kind words, Serge. Merry Christmas.
        An article on the nerve was written. A bunch of stylistic mistakes. I missed a bunch of everything, including I wanted to poke around at the end of the links, I forgot .....
        1. +1
          7 January 2013 16: 18
          Magadan,
          And to you and the family of your well-being and prosperity in the coming year!
          And with a letter, a great move! drinks
          This madam may think that someday she will have to answer for her dark deeds! I hope even in this life.
  21. Horde
    +5
    7 January 2013 12: 22
    there is such a glorious fact A large priest takes away children!

    http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2010/9/20/u_mnogodetnogo_svyawennika_otbirayut_detej/



    and you don’t blame him for not taking care of your children, but the guardianship authorities have decided to show power in this way. Such large families need to be helped a lot, and our policy? The state is aimed only at the destruction of the family.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 12: 34
      I am in shock. It is nevertheless necessary to calm down somehow, otherwise you can surely do some business .....
      I don’t know how we can help, only letters, damn it, write.
      1. +2
        7 January 2013 13: 47
        Quote: Magadan
        I don’t know how we can help, only letters, damn it, write.

        All the hallways are littered with petitions at the top. You have to go out into the streets. Of course, it’s more comfortable at Klava’s warmth, and no one will call a swamp, only a little from such a sitting.
        1. 46bob46
          +3
          7 January 2013 19: 23
          Children are our future. We ourselves are only happy, smarter, just better.
          If you allow these creatures to dispose of our children, you can dig yourself right now.
  22. +3
    7 January 2013 12: 26
    It’s good if these high-ranking officials are just not-so-good people, but what if they are agents of the special services who are corrupting our people, destroying our economy and army!
  23. Etna
    +1
    7 January 2013 12: 27
    The trouble is that in the minds of people there is no attitude towards children as a gift from above. They, unfortunately, are perceived as an accidental by-product of sexual activity, although this should be a planned event, prepared with all responsibility. Juveniles are wrong, forcibly tearing children away from their parents in such families, but parents - adults - had to calculate their capabilities before giving birth to children every year. Not only is the mother's health severely undermined by such a colossal load on the body - the hour is uneven, the unlucky father will remain without a wife, but he also does not earn enough money, and hope for the help of the state and "good people" is the last thing. It is this kind of frivolity "maybe they will grow up" and gives rise to the emergence of organizations doing illegal business on children. IMHO.
  24. +6
    7 January 2013 12: 39
    In our region there was a case of a similar weaning of grandchildren from a grandmother after the death of their parents, they say the walls are painted in sad tones, the TV is antediluvian, etc. Thank God, Siberia is not yet so corrupted by the West, children have defended and punished smart guardians. I'm interested in something else. Guardianship awaits to the last, as if in an ambush, and as soon as the family becomes unbearable (often for objective reasons) they are right there, like kites. And just to work, to keep under control all the delicate places, to help on time ... Well, it is necessary to work.
    1. 0
      7 January 2013 14: 34
      NSO? Countryman ?! hi
  25. fan dango
    +1
    7 January 2013 12: 42
    Lakhov with juvenile justice and "family planning", migration policy, etc. etc. Tired of listing how "our" government is taking away the future from us and our children. And those who really resist will be closed without trial or investigation, such as Kvachkov
    1. 0
      7 January 2013 13: 30
      fan dango,
      Not enough prisons!
    2. +1
      7 January 2013 14: 55
      Quote: fan-dango
      And those who really resist will be closed without trial, such as Kvachkova

      Have you tried to really resist ?!
      1. fan dango
        0
        7 January 2013 20: 44
        Tried or not, I won’t tell you. Just a joke: Putin on-line:
        - A good question has just come through the Internet: "Wasn't it a problem for you, Vova, to answer anonymous questions on the Internet?"
        I answer the owner of IP 195.58.60.15, the host mtu-net-ru, the provider of MTU-inform, Ivanov Sergey Vasilievich, who lives on Ivanovsky, house 13/2 sq., Who asked this question. 117: Not bad!
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 22: 39
          and not an anecdote, but an example from life, we have problems with the quality of electricity in the village, they wrote as you put it on "Putin online:" two weeks later the answer came, and a day later they called personally from both the regional government and from Yantarenergo and from the district administration, and most importantly, they immediately began to fix the problem

          p / s / anonymous complaints are not accepted there, which is basically correct
  26. ass hole
    +7
    7 January 2013 12: 48
    I share the author’s excitement and resentment towards juvenile justice (UJ). However, there is an annoying inaccuracy in the article that I would like to correct.
    140 thousand signatures against Yu were collected and transferred to the State. the Duma and the presidential administration. RF by activists of the "Essence of Time" movement, and not by activists of the Communist Party. However, the Communist Party should say thank you for their position in the State Duma against the law on social patronage.
    Comrades, the liberal 5th column in the Russian Federation temporarily retreated with laws on SJ, but will soon go on the offensive again. Therefore, in the near future there will be a need to continue collecting signatures against SJ. If possible, I ask you to support such actions.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 57
      I apologize. I just missed the Essence of Time and Kurginyan in the heat of the moment. I didn’t even double-check what I wrote, there are a lot of stylistic mistakes there. I will definitely be more careful if I write something again
      Thank you for your work on the real fight against this perversion and perverts !!!
      Write to me in PM, I will collect signatures in Magadan. Although, if the Essence of Time - then you have a website and there probably have subscription lists with addresses where to send?
      1. ass hole
        0
        7 January 2013 14: 37
        The answer in PM
  27. Bashkaus
    +3
    7 January 2013 12: 50


    Hm. The site considered that giving a link to this video clip is too short, which means that it does not carry any useful information.
    Gentlemen, well, do not judge and do not be judged))) And I had to write some really beleberd already on 2 lines (((
    All in Merry Christmas Guardian Angel to you dear forum users!
  28. +5
    7 January 2013 12: 52
    Well, guys, have you seen how paid bots work? As a three-volt John - he pulled out of the huge article with a bunch of problems raised only one thing - the children were selected for lack of repair and a small salary and asks: how many such cases were there? Three? Or two? Or maybe one? Or maybe it wasn’t at all - his milkmaid friends weren’t taken away! Conclusion: the problems are far-fetched, the article is a stuffing. And he was told that the juvenile - as someone here correctly said - is another nail in the coffin of this civilization. Money doesn't smell, eh, John?
    1. ass hole
      +3
      7 January 2013 13: 37
      Look at precedents in Finland.

      The system works so that social services are paid for weaning children.
    2. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 56
      And who would you pay these to me? Maybe I'm a western agent? And the West is paying me, which is introducing us to this Juvenile for me to write an article against Juvenalka?
      How many such cases - study the question yourself. I think you will be unpleasantly surprised. Yes, how many of these cases were not - the main thing is to tame us gradually, that taking children from the family is the norm
    3. Khokhol-MSC
      -3
      7 January 2013 14: 45
      Old_kapitan, sorry, but the problem of this family is an occasion for an article, but in fact it turns out that Magadan is a liar or provocateur (let him choose what is closer to him), gives references to 2003, forgetting, for example, the law of Dima Yakovlev?

      And what are you doing? Ah, paid bot? Or did Magadan dribble out to you so that you would continue to love people with love?
  29. +5
    7 January 2013 12: 52
    Quote: ochakow703
    And just to work, to keep under control all the delicate places, to help on time ... Well, it is necessary to work.

    Yes, they do not have such a task. All this juvenile crap is covered by the Family Planning Center, which in turn is covered by Western organizations whose goal is to reduce the world's population. For example, the International Federation of Family Planning (IFPS). IFES is one of the leading organizations involved in the development and financing of birth control programs in the world.
    It is interesting that famous feminists, such as Margaret Zanger, rule this organization. By the way, she, Margaret, is an ardent anti-Semitic. So it doesn't look like a Jewish mark. Here, along the way, just a codla of scumbags in life.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 52
      Quote: Magadan
      All this juvenile crap is covered by the Family Planning Center, which in turn is covered by Western organizations whose goal is to reduce the world's population.

      The supreme power in Russia in the person of United Russia, the government and President Putin (whose actions the respected Magadan stubbornly does not want to evaluate.), Is indifferently looking at and at least inactive.
  30. +2
    7 January 2013 12: 53
    Do you guys really don’t see how the destruction of the country and its people is going on, and to these bastards at least henna. Magadan, I thought you were in the Northeast, and you are in Tver, hello Goryachev S.
    1. +2
      7 January 2013 13: 58
      I am in Magadan. But the internet brings us all closer.
  31. +1
    7 January 2013 12: 56
    as for the average salary of 26 thousand in Russia, Putin made it clear on this point - in all regions it is completely different, where is 10b, and where is 60, and here is a picture of 26 thousand, because this is the average figure

    By the way, you yourself can calculate it according to the Federal State Statistics Service, there for this there are numbers in each region, and salary levels, etc.
  32. Khokhol-MSC
    -3
    7 January 2013 12: 58
    Sad to me stupid и rash Hurray comments under a clearly custom-made, propaganda article with data manipulation. Is it too lazy to study the family issue?
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 11
      I don’t presume to judge the article - whether it is custom-made or not, I only know one thing for sure, the lawlessness in the juvenile is the most custom-made. And the customers are not even behind the hill, they covered themselves with the Duma’s cap. If you are a reasonable person, answer why the law on pedophilia has been quenched in the Duma for ten years? Yes, they and their payers, the goods are needed ...
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        -1
        7 January 2013 13: 28
        Mayhem happens in the juvenile - yes. I agree to all 100.

        BUT! Understand, now the informational PR-reason for this family is swinging - we will punish the guardianship authorities for saving the children. Once again, I just have a request, when commenting, shaping public opinion, do not be too lazy to familiarize yourself with the reason for the articles, because any phrase "I cite only what I liked" and on its basis the construction of the article is most likely deliberately false material.
    2. +1
      7 January 2013 13: 30
      Read: http://ruskline.ru/news_rl/2010/9/20/u_mnogodetnogo_svyawennika_otbirayut_detej/
      So this is the 2010-th And who was taken from. And what has happened these two years? Yes, if mom-dad is just peasants?
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        -1
        7 January 2013 13: 44
        I know about the priest.
        But at the moment, we are considering an article describing the problem in another family.

        If you are a wise person, you will agree that each family is individual, which means that in each case you need your own analysis of the situation.

        In this case, from the information that the author bashfully hides, from the fraud in phrases and text, I see from my bell tower that there is an attempt to manipulate the readers' minds. And all that I ask of you, and other readers, is not chop off the shoulder all guardianship authorities, and familiarize themselves with the situation.

        It is impossible to say on one crime of the employees of the Ministry of Internal Affairs that all the cops are moral
        You can’t shout at one drunk driver: "Yes, I drove everyone to shoot nafik regardless of gender and age. Respectfully, tired pedestrians!"
        1. +1
          7 January 2013 14: 45
          Quote: Crest-MSC
          in each case, you need your own analysis of the situation.

          But you know that the most terrible enemy for the state is an official, and in our Russian case, you probably also know which people, category, buy official portfolios, or by what methods and places they earn them, and for what purposes. Therefore, there can be no question of analyzing the situation in each individual case with large and needy families. The only way out is a lie detector for officials who have completed some case against children. The answer to the question is just stupid. "Is everything correct, and according to conscience and law, did you Pupkin (na) in relation to citizen Ivanov and His children?"
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            -2
            7 January 2013 15: 46
            Unfortunately, in this case the lie detector will not help. Everything will depend on the level of development of the system of internal values ​​in specific officer.
            Is that right?
            That is:
            - one will drive a wave that shortage Mandarins in Khaladylnyk this is a gross violation of the rights of the child,

            and the other

            it will work like a robot according to the instructions, and there though the grass does not grow, that due to the spit of alcoholic parents, the child dies.
  33. +5
    7 January 2013 13: 03
    Quote: glagol58
    It’s good if these high-ranking officials are just not-so-good people, but what if they are agents of the special services who are corrupting our people, destroying our economy and army!

    I don’t know if it’s paranoia or not, but the feeling is that the pin-dos have entered all spheres of our life and destroy everything from within.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 13: 55
      A tick opposite the EP with your hand also deduced pin dos?
      1. -1
        7 January 2013 14: 28
        Quote: Karabin
        A tick opposite the EP with your hand also deduced pin dos?

        Oh, if in our life everything was correctly decided by a tick. . .
  34. +3
    7 January 2013 13: 09
    a feeling that the guardianship authorities are sent to the Cossacks, which one should tell me how I should raise my child! for a place of help, take away, and then what? will they send for adoption? and where? to an orphanage? or some kind of "free" country? child? how? you excuse me, of course, but after this I will kill everyone - one will stay (proverb) ........ I propose to follow the example of fighters with doghunters: - sites with faces and addresses of those who have distinguished themselves))) defenders of childhood ... ..
    1. 0
      7 January 2013 13: 51
      We will not call for the killing of these unworthy citizens wink
      But as the journalists investigating the case with the Zaitsev-Voskresensky family said: “The family could have been saved accidentif it happened to juvenile guardians "
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        -5
        7 January 2013 14: 48
        Does the accident know about the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation? Chip and Dale, damn it.

        Magadan, as I see it, are you also calling for lynching? To plant you, for inciting hatred.

        PS Dear readers of the resource! Unfortunately, this function is not yet available to me, but I ask you to inform about the post "Magadan (1) Today, 13:51 ↑" of the resource administration. This is important, please!
        1. +3
          7 January 2013 15: 03
          Khokhol-MSC,

          Why are you kidding?
          I have a feeling from your comments that you yourself are a juvenile.
          The problem in this area does not see only either a blind or a fool (so it would be ... hmm ... to choose from)
          And all this is called florets (or seed) now we will silently eat it, then it will go on growth like a snowball.


          Quote: Crest-MSC
          This is important, please!


          Why is it important to you?
          let's calm down. Here admins with moderators do not sleep, BUT AND TROLYA ALSO REACHES ...

          YES AND TUMPERS HERE NO .......

          Grow up to the ability to "knock" wink
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            -1
            7 January 2013 15: 11
            You are a juvenile.

            No, I am against Yu. :)

            Why is it important to you?

            We look. An emotional article is given for seed. Lots of angry responses. And, as if in passing, a proposal from the TS: "I call them to kill, but accident it would be very useful with O&P. "

            Now tell me what it is?
            1. +2
              7 January 2013 15: 21
              Khokhol-MSC,

              Haha, didn’t read comments under articles about Syria or EuroPro or just the USA ?????

              The members of the forum have such suggestions that you all of us, as you see it, go to Magadan in Magadan in one engine laughing

              GOING TO MAGADAN laughing
              1. Khokhol-MSC
                -3
                7 January 2013 16: 02
                That is not ... about Syria, EuroPRO or the USU I would have been identified there.

                Another point is that my proposal, for example, to shorten Clintons exactly one head, is hardly feasible. Lavrov, although he is recognized as a soldier, but I do not give orders to him (and glory to Gd), and it is unlikely that he will undertake to fulfill this desire of the Russian people.

                And here it is specifically proposed to arrange an accident for representatives of the public protection and environmental protection in this situation. And they are just quite accessible, because they are the same Russians.

                Could there be such a young URA-figure on the forum who, on the basis of positive comments and assessments of this situation, with the appropriate "stimulation", will decide to break the winner's laurels? Easy!

                Now, as a stubborn donkey, I will return to the occasion. To take children from an unheated house before a court decision, and although moving them to heat and under medical supervision (even if he is a fig) is this an occasion for some magadan to urge you to break your head in the entrance?

                Damn, DEAR! Well, why are you so easily prepared to kill and lynch without understanding the situation?!? Or call for it?

                PS Yes, yes. I am also against Yu. Now minus.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2013 18: 02
                  Quote: Crest-MSC
                  Now minus.


                  Come on .. why minus you then? .... the sufferer wink
  35. Dawd
    +5
    7 January 2013 13: 16
    If God forbid this sphere comes to me and tries to take my children from me, I swear I’ll kill them, but it seems to me that this is impossible for us, we live in the Caucasus, no one will dare to do this, if such a thing doesn’t take place here what will happen, and it doesn’t matter in the Russian family or in some other.
    1. +4
      7 January 2013 13: 48
      THEREFORE, I VERY RESPECT THE CAUCASUS !!!!
      And that's why wedges are driven between Russians and Caucasians!
      I’m sure, Daud, we Russians will also remember that our ancestors taught us something completely different.
    2. lechatormosis
      +2
      7 January 2013 18: 28
      DAOUD YOU RIGHT - I WILL DO EXACTLY ALSO.
  36. +3
    7 January 2013 13: 34
    Merry Christmas everyone!
    The story presented by the author at a good end may well become a Christmas story.
    I propose on our forum to organize the collection of signatures for the abolition of powers from the guardianship authorities to remove children from families and transfer them to the court. Such a procedure will make this process more transparent and manageable and will allow public organizations to intervene in it.
    I myself know a similar story. A large family (four children, I will not name the surname and address for obvious reasons) was deprived of parental rights. Children were taken including a month old baby. The family was saved only by the presence of wealthy relatives who hired capable lawyers. However, to save the family, the parents were forced to actually throw the acquired belongings for nothing and flee to another city to a new place of residence. In my opinion, an order was made for their children.
    Now they are expecting a fifth child.
  37. boris.radevitch
    0
    7 January 2013 13: 36
    These machoists are tired of everyone; soon we will wet them! am
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -2
      7 January 2013 13: 48
      And in the case of this family, please give a detailed comment: for what and whom exactly do you plan to wet?
      Unfortunately, from the generalization that I see, the list of "pushed" is too long.

      PS To wet, as I understand it, are you planning personally? bully
  38. +6
    7 January 2013 13: 45
    Quote: Crest-MSC
    URA comments under a clearly custom-made, propaganda article with data juggling


    I wonder who ordered this article for me? Any suggestions? Those who struggle with juvenile, for example, the Essence of Time Kurginyan, or Orthodox organizations, or the same communist, they have much more talented articles on this subject. Read here:
    http://www.juvenaljustice.ru/
    Quote: Crest-MSC
    data fraud. Is it too lazy to study the family issue?

    The data are taken, including from the minutes of the State Duma meetings.
    Numerous references to the source can be found here:
    http://stolica.narod.ru/vra/034.htm
    http://www.moral.ru/Lahova_an_z.htm
    http://pms.orthodoxy.ru/semia/raps/0068.htm
    Moreover, thanks to the LDPR, here, by the way, they are ardent opponents of Ms. Lakhova and Juvenile Justice. I’ll surely ask the Magadan branch of assistance in the printed out State Duma protocols on this issue.

    Quote: Crest-MSC
    to study the issue of family laziness?


    You know, to me deeply on the drum, what lofty matters these gentlemen hide behind and what legal verbiage they veil their bestial nature. I BELIEVE WHAT I SEE, and not what they say.
    Do you think they, juveniles, will tell you directly: "Yes, we want to hammer into your families in order to take your children away from you under various pretexts, so that you are afraid to give birth?" You think they will say to you: "We are interested in reducing the number of Russians" or they will say "We are perverts and we are very pleased when you squeal from mental suffering."
    Do you expect this from them?
    Of course, all this juvenile rubbish is "purely from good intentions"!
    What are you, what are you, they are all for the FAMILY! They all love the Motherland! They just "love" in their own way.
    You are saying that they say that they take away children from homeless people .... But who gave them the right even to take away children from homeless people !!! Can still send homeless people in LTP, and let the relatives take the children? And do relatives pay benefits?
    Must not under no pretext deprive children of their parents. And no one has the right to judge good parents or bad ones. If children can be crippled by frostbitten parents, then there is an ARTICLE in the Criminal Code and there is a police! What does the guardians have to do with it?
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -5
      7 January 2013 14: 03
      "who ordered this article for me?"
      I don’t know who. Let the counter questions:
      1. You declare that the situation with SJ is the same now as in 2003, a link to the documents of which you are giving me.
      2. You do not rig the fight with YU with this material, this family, where parents killed their children with indifference. Let us take your children and leave them for a few nights in a house with an inoperative stove heating, without firewood at -20. And then you will tell me about the help of relatives, and "the whole village as one realized." You are a provocateur who manipulates information.

      Quote: Crest-MSC
      data fraud. Is it too lazy to study the family issue?
      The data are taken, including from the minutes of the State Duma meetings.


      And again, the fraud, I’m talking about a specific family, and you, understanding that the children there wouldn’t have survived the winter about Lakhova and the State Duma.

      Quote: Crest-MSC
      to study the issue of family laziness?

      You know, I'm deep in the drum
      And with this, I had to start my article: YOU ON THE DRUM, what's with these like them there .... childrenYou are a PR customer occasion.
  39. sincman
    +1
    7 January 2013 13: 45
    Hello everybody. The other day I wanted to re-post here an interesting article on this topic, but failed. I’m publishing a link to this article. I highly recommend checking out http://trueinform.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=10883. And express your opinion. The arguments are painfully truthful. It is also embarrassing that they voted unanimously for the law. Although it is no secret that there are still plenty of liberals in the Duma. Where is such unanimity from ?!
    1. Galina
      +2
      7 January 2013 17: 28
      Yes, the article provides food for thought. Hard times. What will happen?
  40. 0
    7 January 2013 13: 56
    Oh, and a sore subject - to shoot, or in the old-fashioned way - to count ... these are non-people, I sympathize with Putin, but this slanderousness scares you - you don't want to believe that "the Cossack has been mishandled" !?
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 14: 14
      Seized by whom? Kurginyan? Church? Communist Party? So they write articles about Juvenalka better than my "test of the pen".
      Or maybe the West paid me? Which through Family Planning just introduces a juvenile system in us? At home, they have already implemented it for a long time?
      Putin is out of business here and I wrote about it. One person cannot follow all the scum in our country. Moreover - for some reason I also believe him in this matter. If he was interested in the destruction of the family, he would not invent maternal capital.
  41. 0
    7 January 2013 13: 59
    Here in the summer on OKE there was a battle on this subject.
    Here is a debriefing for those interested.

    If you remember, at the beginning of August, Alex wrote an article “Alex Zes: Juvenile Justice, One Reasonable Voice" For ", Against the Background of Massive Opposition", where he allegedly examined in detail the problem of the so-called. "Child protection". I had to study it in detail in order to understand what methods the editorial staff of the portal uses to promote anti-human ideas. Let not everyone support him, but the general direction is still being built by the editorial staff of the site.
    And since here on the Oka we criticize the editorial board down, we began to post the results of checks of this and other articles on separate resources. There will be a desire to get acquainted with the applied methods of the “editorial office”, see here:
    http://dvaglazazemli.ucoz.ru
    http://gastonglock.livejournal.com

    G.Glock


    I think Glock will forgive me for using his material without permission.
  42. Nevsky
    +9
    7 January 2013 14: 02
    In the 90s, my sister and I were supposed to be taken away from my family when my parents worked together, but there was almost nothing to eat, there was no gas in our rural house (we spent it in 1999), and in the morning, sometimes it was cool. And my sister and I came from school and ourselves melted the stove, since my parents were at work until evening. Relatives who could help remained: Novosibirsk (RF), Moldova, Chernivtsi (the other end of the country). The country is torn ... Nothing, survived, rose. Unfortunately, not our big country, but our family. This juvenile - NO!
    1. +6
      7 January 2013 14: 16
      Nevsky, well done ... You have to survive this in childhood - you need to have a Spirit.
      We need to help each other .... Without collegiality and without help, we are nowhere. Will devour us
    2. SAVA555.IVANOV
      +1
      7 January 2013 19: 20
      I also drowned the stove when I came home from school !!! So I had to be taken away from the family !? It's just that children are a product for which someone from foreigners will probably require a rollback. It is possible that the state is raising robots for itself which it will teach to hate parents. And you can only guess what is going on in the orphanages, there certainly no one guarantees that the psyche will not be broken.
  43. +7
    7 January 2013 14: 10
    We, adults, need to reconsider our lives and not allow any newcomers to take our children away.
  44. SAVA555.IVANOV
    -4
    7 January 2013 14: 13
    The Slavic government is like a "pig devouring its own piglets", it is the genocide of its own people with the help of all sorts of "techniques" from murder with drugs to chronic poverty and undermining the authority of fathers by popularizing gender policy, from low-quality "glass" clothes to fake food and fake medicines and no matter it is Russia or Ukraine, the result is one Slavs can not effectively run the state.
    1. +3
      7 January 2013 14: 24
      I do not agree, but I will think bitterly about the plus. Probably they can, we just wait forever when I can’t do it myself.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +1
        7 January 2013 17: 06
        Different opinions are normal !!!! It is necessary to tear such representatives of power.
        I was in Vanino, which at that time some "lumps" "held", the lawlessness in the city was "above the roof", and at that time one young father tried to take his two children from the state for a whole year (his wife went on a spree with "lumps". family before divorce) here is the state for you, here is the power for you.
    2. +2
      7 January 2013 15: 14
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
      Slavs cannot effectively control the state.


      Honestly, KOL-L_E_G-A, if you consider yourself a ram, then for God's sake.
      Apparently, "these very Slavs" have the world's largest and most powerful (until recently) state, for you it is not a fact that the Slavs can not only rule the state, but also build GREAT EMPIRE.

      Run down to the US Embassy in Kiev to self-abase, there you will be patted on the head and told how you are right and how THEY all the time knew this.

      MINUSTER TO YOU
    3. zevs379
      0
      7 January 2013 15: 41
      SAVA555.IVANOV (3)

      Poor "common man" who has lost roots and soul - vegetate as much as you can! God is your judge.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        -1
        7 January 2013 16: 48
        volkan, zevs379, read Saltykov-Shchedrin there just about generals like you.
        "Fools and roads".
        1. 0
          7 January 2013 18: 10
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          volkan, zevs379, read Saltykov-Shchedrin there just about generals like you.
          "Fools and roads".


          Or maybe all the same about VAZ?

          Carrying on themselves and their people is the lot of lousy intellectuals who worship the "civilization" of the West.
          You, dear Ukrainian "brother", does not do honor to you.

          And as I understand it, anyone should be ashamed to blaspheme their people.

          Think of another classic. HE'S THE BITCH OF THE SON, BUT THIS IS OUR BITCH OF THE SON.


          Or are you talking about your current Ukrainian rulers ?? AND? wink
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            0
            7 January 2013 18: 32
            Yes, of course you need to be silent, and especially in the internet. Officials who are surprised by the snowfall with the advent of winter are not my people, officials buying houses in Cyprus are not my people.
            My people live quietly working wherever they can and how they can and try to get out of chronic poverty hoping in the next life to become the boss, but only in the next life maybe my people sell several kilograms of apples from the dacha on the sidewalks near the market.
            Yes, and about Ukrainian, too, the same bastards !!!! wink
  45. +3
    7 January 2013 14: 15
    A juvenile is just part of a system for bringing our people to a lower stage of development. Add education and health care reform here. Take into account housing and communal services tariffs. Low-income people are closing their doors to education and quality care. Who builds such a system and adopts such laws? Those for whom we voted.
    In general, for what they fought, then ...
  46. +1
    7 January 2013 14: 23
    Quote: Karabin
    Who builds such a system and adopts such laws? Those for whom we voted.

    The big question is whether there was a massive fraud in December or not. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation gave all the materials with documentary evidence of the facts of rigging the results. I look forward to the result. And there is no need to shout about orange, etc. They scare them with the "orange threat" in order to distract from such topics as the juvenile and everything that Karabin wrote.
    One thing is clear - you have to look for the Truth and not be afraid of it.
  47. +7
    7 January 2013 14: 29
    Magadan, thank you for the article. Thank you for your position, for the indifference to the misfortune of others! I support the idea of ​​GregAzov to organize the collection of signatures for the abolition of powers from the guardianship authorities to remove children from families and transfer them to court.
    1. +1
      7 January 2013 15: 06
      Thank you, Polly.
      We all need to stop being indifferent to other people's misfortune
  48. +3
    7 January 2013 14: 29
    The article is excellent. Himself in great shock from what is happening. Only the Internet and the media can really influence events. The author is invited to make a KiVi wallet, and all guests, visitors to the site and regular commentators will chip in.
    Children is our future!
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -7
      7 January 2013 14: 52
      And I propose to put the author on the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
      1. +2
        7 January 2013 15: 15
        Khokhol-MSC,
        Listen bro and you're really trolling ... Go on or grow up or think.
        1. Khokhol-MSC
          -4
          7 January 2013 15: 25
          Go or grow up or think.

          Mutually.
      2. lechatormosis
        +1
        7 January 2013 17: 35
        you should be imprisoned for promoting IDEAS OF THE JUVENAL - YOU ARE SATISFIED FOR SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM MOTHER AND FATHER DO NOT TRY EVEN TO HELP THESE FAMILIES TO STORE.
        1. -3
          7 January 2013 17: 41
          Quote: lehatormoz
          YOU ARE SATISFIED FOR SEPARATING CHILDREN FROM MOTHER AND FATHER DO NOT ATTEMPT TO EVEN HELP THESE FAMILIES TO SAVE.

          not all mothers are mothers and far from any help will go to proc
          1. lechatormosis
            +2
            7 January 2013 18: 33
            YES I agree BUT DECISION TO TAKE THE CHILD FROM PARENTS SHOULD NOT BE DECIDED BY AN OFFICIAL FROM JUVENALKI AND THE COURT WHEN CONSIDERING ALL THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THE CASE - AND THEN IF THIS THREATS THE LIFE OF THE CHILD.
            1. -1
              7 January 2013 19: 14
              sorry and who argues with this ?!
              By the way, they have no right to take away a child without a court, however, as well as breaking into a house unless an offense is committed there
              1. lechatormosis
                +1
                7 January 2013 19: 22
                Dear VLADIMIR, WE HAVE SUCH precisely this practice of resolving issues.
                But knowing the love of OUR OFFICIALS, IT IS BLIND TO COPY SOMETIMES THE BEST WRONGEST FROM THE WEST, I FEAR that we WILL COME TO A FINNISH OPTION — I will NOT even wish this to the enemy.
                1. -1
                  7 January 2013 20: 08
                  Quote: lehatormoz
                  knowing the love of OUR OFFICERS, IT IS BLIND TO COPY SOMETIMES THE BEST OF THE BAD FROM THE WEST, I FEAR that we WILL COME TO A FINNISH OPTION — I would NOT even wish this to the enemy.

                  I already wrote to hell who comes into my house without my consent, and everything else is verbiage and defamation, there will be such a law then there will be a conversation or a case on the beat of juveniles, but for now, I'm sorry
        2. Khokhol-MSC
          -2
          7 January 2013 17: 57
          Alexey, do not slow down.
          Where did I promote juvenile ideas?
          You are told an introduction from Magadan: and here the family of children froze, and they were taken to the hospital. Now the case has been submitted to court.

          And what are yelling like you now? Nu-nu ... read your comment. Let us, together with Magadan, again throw these children to a 20-degree frost. Well, damn it, a keyboard protector.

          Raise the knot from behind the computer, and spend the night in the underpants in the Epiphany frost. And then with frost-bitten fingers write here that the children had to be returned to the mother, and their transfer to the HOSPITAL is a juvenile, aha-aha.
          1. lechatormosis
            +1
            7 January 2013 18: 30
            WELL SO SEPARATE - FLIES SEPARATELY cutlets ALSO separately.
            NO ONE CAN, according to the law, take away the child from the mother, unless the COURT, and then only by Aggravating circumstances.
            1. Khokhol-MSC
              -1
              7 January 2013 19: 44
              Alexei! HOORAY!

              So what about the article? The case was referred to court. All. Nobody has yet taken anyone! Children were taken from an unheated room and transferred to a rehabilitation center.
              Mother with two younger in the hospital.
              Father, I hope, goes to the family.

              There was no trial yet. Parents are not deprived of their rights.

              Magadan writes that of course they will be deprived, and children will be smuggled into America in violation of Dima Yakovlev’s law. But this is his cockroaches.

              PS I will even "plus" you for finally having a competent, thoughtful comment! And minus me further as usual! Thanks!
  49. +4
    7 January 2013 14: 40
    Quote: Crest-MSC
    Let's look at this article without cheers. Nevertheless, you are commentators, and not a herd of sheep, which the author-shepherd leads in the direction he needs, and if you are already taking it into account, do not let your opinion be manipulated with such primitive methods

    I will answer your long post simply:
    And didn’t you think to help the family with firewood from the guardianship? Why didn’t they return the children after people rented this apartment to this family?

    Quote: Crest-MSC
    Let us take your children and leave them for a few nights in a house with an inoperative stove heating, without firewood at -20. And then you will tell me about the help of relatives, and "the whole village as one realized." You are a provocateur who manipulates information


    So, in your opinion, if the official considers that the house is cold, then he has the right to pick up the children? So, in your opinion, officials have the right to hammer the snout into our homes, because it seems to them that there are poor conditions for children? You mean for such a control?
    Am I a provocateur? Do you think that the people actively promoting YY are not the same people who are actively promoting curricula in schools where they will explain to children what "petting" and "anal sex" are?
    Let the readers of the forum figure it out for themselves whether I am lying or not. There is Internet, there are phones, there are friends all over the country.
    Quote: Crest-MSC
    You know, I'm deep in the drum
    And with this you had to start your article: TO YOU ON THE DRUM, what's with these like them .... children, you are promoting the customer of the occasion.

    Yes, ME DRUM ON WORDS of gentlemen from Yu. And in legal terms too. And by what phrases they cover Juvenal. Are you born into the world not long ago? Do not know how you can cover any crime with all sorts of beautiful phrases?
    Facts: Juvenile collectors take their children from families for the fact that the families are poor, for poor repairs, or for the reason that they, the juvenile fascists, need children for some reason.
    Facts: The phenomenon is new! Give examples that in the USSR (or at any time) they took away children for the fact that there is no firewood in the house and the stove is poorly heated ?!

    I'm a provocateur - who paid me? Who benefits from this?
    Let’s do without verbal diarrhea about brainwashing, etc. I ask all participants of the Forum to check all the information about UJ.
    I already understood that you are in favor of taking the children if, in the opinion of officials, the family cannot support the children. Those. "the poor have no right to children."
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -3
      7 January 2013 15: 22
      I already understood that you are in favor of taking the children if, in the opinion of officials, the family cannot support the children. Those. "the poor have no right to children."


      Answer the questions and it will become clear who you are:
      1. Do you think that children spend the night and up to one year on December 21 at the street temperature in the house, where -20 this is the norm? What solution do you offer?

      2. Kind uncles temporarily rented an aunt with the kids room to PR. Here we are kind, praise us. And as soon as the reason is exhausted, an aunt with children will be thrown out into the street because nobody will pay for housing. So after all?

      3.
      I'm a provocateur - who paid me? Who benefits from this?
      Well, at least they admitted what exactly they provoke. Although from the comments I already realized that "professional is working" Maybe answer: who paid youthat you are ready to throw 4 children in the cold?
    2. 0
      7 January 2013 16: 30
      Quote: Magadan
      And didn’t you think to help the family with firewood from the guardianship?

      and their dad is flawed ?!
      can't lift an ax? !!
      Quote: Magadan
      So, in your opinion, if the official considers that the house is cold, then he has the right to pick up the children?
      no official, but the court, if the rules are violated through the fault of the parents
      1. Khokhol-MSC
        -1
        7 January 2013 18: 08
        Damn, there is only one thing scary. 90% of commentators are not aware of what they are writing about, and they are trying to apply the ideas of global morality to a specific family without even delving into this particular situation this means the death of children.

        The campaign is understood only by those who saw the results of such connivance, or like me, who involuntarily spent a night or two in a severe frost without the possibility of warming themselves.
    3. 46bob46
      -1
      7 January 2013 19: 44
      "the poor have no right to children."
      and having family members of people with diseases such as tuberculosis, the psyche, etc.
      I just don’t understand where they want to grow new Aryans?
  50. +7
    7 January 2013 14: 45
    “The new school year in the Borisevichs' house began with a bleak one. From the grandmother, who issued guardianship, the girl and her sister were taken to the orphanage by decision of the guardianship authorities.



    The reason, according to the guardianship authorities, was the grandmother’s untimely reporting for the money issued to support the girls, as well as the fact that the pensioner's house had old furniture and mess.

    Pilot project

    Irina Borisevich, a resident of the village of Morozovo, took custody of her granddaughters four years ago, when her daughter died during the second birth. The girl was born prematurely, and the grandmother nursed the child, while raising the older granddaughter.

    “Everything went well until in the Novosibirsk region, including in the Iskitim region, they launched pilot projects to implement the principles of juvenile justice, according to which the guardianship authorities work,” commented Elena VASILYEVA, an activist of the essence of the essence of Time. - Two weeks ago, granddaughter was taken from Irina Viktorovna. Guardianship workers indicated a lack of food, a mess in the girls' room, and old furniture. In my opinion, there was plenty of food there, the furniture was normal, and the mess in the children's room was a common situation. In such fairly modest conditions, almost all rural residents live. So now, take their children from them?

    In addition, the grandmother was accused of not reporting on time about the money allocated for the maintenance of girls.

    - We live in a village, there are very few shops, and there are not so many products there. The locals are already full of everything. I'd rather buy fresh milk and fresh butter from my neighbors than at the store. And our clothes are sold only in the bazaar - naturally, they don’t give checks there, - Elena Borisevich, the grandmother of the girls, wonders.

    Ambiguous law

    Elena Viktorovna was supported not only by social activists, but also by neighbors. They speak well of a woman and believe that children would have a better life with their grandmother.

    - The girls have lost a lot of weight, constantly cry, get sick. They dream of returning to their grandmother, but this is now very difficult to do. The only option is litigation. The worst thing is that according to the law, children can be placed in another family within a month. And if we consider that our courts are often dragged out, by this time the fate of the girls may be decided in a different way: in the orphanage those who want to adopt them have already been interested in children, - says Irina VESHNEVSKAYA, an activist of the All-Russian Parents' Meeting. “In general, with the advent of the law on juvenile justice, which is currently being discussed in the State Duma, every family may find itself in a similar situation, since the norms for the upbringing and living of children in the new law are very ambiguous.”

    Source: AIF Photo: © lb.ua
    And why guardianship bodies do not carry out functions assistance families in financial difficulties ?! What, have we proclaimed money as the measure of parental love? The system itself, it turns out, does not work to help the family, but to remove the children!

    PS In this particular situation, everything was resolved safely: the children were returned, the leadership of the regional social protection was fired.
  51. +2
    7 January 2013 15: 04
    I think it is necessary to demand that all members of the Guardianship Authorities who took part in this vile business be tested on a Lie Detector to determine their personal interest.
    If they wanted to help from the bottom of their hearts, then simply return the children and help the family. If there were any other interests, then put everyone in prison.
    It is impossible to fool a lie detector, especially if a real specialist does the test.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      0
      7 January 2013 15: 29
      saving 4 frostbitten children is now called
      nasty business
      and you offer
      return the children and help the family


      Thank you, I understand your position.
  52. prophetic
    +2
    7 January 2013 15: 09
    and of course Saint Vova is not to blame for this, he wishes the best for all of us
  53. +3
    7 January 2013 15: 11
    Guys, thank you all, but I’m off to bed, it’s already late here, we have to get up early tomorrow.
    I hope Khokhol-MSK changes his mind, unless he himself, of course, was sent by someone.
    Merry Christmas everyone! Forgive me for going over such an unpleasant topic on such a day.
    1. +2
      7 January 2013 15: 22
      This is a very famous head of a very famous site, 100 pudof!
      Guess three times who..... wassat
    2. lechatormosis
      0
      7 January 2013 17: 31
      OF COURSE SENT - MAGADAN such guests do not appear by chance.
      1. -1
        7 January 2013 17: 42
        maybe he’s not right?!
      2. Khokhol-MSC
        -1
        7 January 2013 18: 13
        Lyokha, you are definitely a drag.
        I just have:
        1. A little daughter is growing up, and I am for her, unlike the dad in the article in response.
        2. I found myself unprepared in extreme cold situations.
        3. I see the manipulation of facts in the article, and for the attempt to save children, and transfer them to the warmth of the cries of people like you: “return them to their parents, let them die there!!”
        4. I see proposals to organize a lynching of those who in this situation simply saved the children.
        5. Neither I nor my relatives would leave my wife and child in the cold.
        1. lechatormosis
          +2
          7 January 2013 18: 22
          and YOU KHKHOL are not even a brake, but JUST NO ONE - my LITTLE DAUGHTER is also growing up and I DO NOT WANT ANY PIG TO COME AND TAKE MY CHILD FROM YOUR DENUNCIATION.
          Unlike you, I DID EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE SO THAT MY CHILD WOULD NOT FIND OUT IN A SITUATION OF SEVERE COLD AND HUNGER.
          1. -1
            7 January 2013 19: 19
            Quote: lehatormoz
            I DO NOT WANT ANY PIG TO COME AND TAKE MY CHILD FROM YOUR DENOMINATION

            Excuse me, according to what law can your child be taken away now based on denunciation?
            Quote: lehatormoz
            Unlike you, I DID EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE SO THAT MY CHILD WOULD NOT FIND OUT IN A SITUATION OF SEVERE COLD AND HUNGER

            What kind of nonsense are you talking about? Khokhol specifically points out to you that the father of the family described in the article left for the winter, leaving his children without firewood, you move the arrows to a, which points to but the delusional inconsistencies of the author of the article
            1. lechatormosis
              +2
              7 January 2013 19: 36
              calm down VLADIMIR - THE ANSWER WAS TO KHOKHOL and not to you.
              As for this dad - let's not make things up from hearsay - you weren't there and I wasn't there either.
              and I don’t presume to judge WHAT HAPPENED THERE.
              But I clearly know what happened in FINLAND WITH A FAMOUS mother of 4 children because there was a statement from the official PERSONS OF THE JUVENILE JUSTICE OF FINLAND and this system is NOW IMPOSED ON US.
              1. 0
                7 January 2013 22: 17
                Quote: lehatormoz
                As for this dad - let's not make things up from hearsay - you weren't there and I wasn't there either.

                then we need to close the forum altogether, we are discussing everything from hearsay
                Quote: lehatormoz
                But I clearly know what happened in FINLAND

                I have to poop all the way to Finland, why don't they at least wriggle out of their ass there?
                Quote: lehatormoz
                THIS SYSTEM IS NOW IMPOSED ON US.

                someone said that they are happy for this crap here?
          2. Khokhol-MSC
            -1
            7 January 2013 19: 52
            Lyokha, you’re a typical Russian: you harness it for a long time, but then when you get there.... ))))

            I DID EVERYTHING IN ADVANCE SO THAT MY CHILD WOULD NOT ENTER A SITUATION OF SEVERE COLD AND HUNGER.

            Well done! Really MO-LO-DET!

            I DON'T WANT ANY PIG TO COME AND TAKE MY CHILD AWAY
            truly so. If you care about your child, then it doesn’t matter: just like that, or because of a denunciation, the entire state must protect you, since you are united with your family. You are ready to take responsibility for it. This is your duty and your joy.
            1. lechatormosis
              0
              7 January 2013 20: 03
              Thank you for your kind words and forgive me FOR BEING EXCESSIVELY SHARP and direct.
  54. +1
    7 January 2013 15: 13
    People like Deputy E. Lakhova take a broken bottle to one place and let them teach their relatives how to live. It is not clear who nominates such people to power? They need to be treated, but they write laws for us.
  55. boris.radevitch
    +2
    7 January 2013 15: 20
    Children should be adopted into Russian families and not given to Uncle Sam! good
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -2
      7 January 2013 15: 32
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      1. Khokhol-MSC
        -1
        7 January 2013 18: 15
        This is even funny. A bot that generally downvotes the campaign)))) Even on the link about the pro-Russian law, it gives a downvote. Funny )))
        1. lechatormosis
          +1
          7 January 2013 18: 18
          YOU'RE WRONG KHOKHOL - I'm not a bot and specifically MINUS YOU
          1. Khokhol-MSC
            0
            7 January 2013 19: 03
            Ahhh... a sudden feeling :)
            I am happy for you, and happy holidays.

            P.S. But still think about my arguments, maybe there is a grain of truth there?
            1. lechatormosis
              +1
              7 January 2013 19: 09
              Thank you, Little Russian, BUT HERE I AM YOUR ETERNAL OPPPONENT.
              Maybe it will be possible to find a GOLDEN MEAN.
              1. Khokhol-MSC
                -1
                7 January 2013 21: 16
                Yes, what is the middle ground here?

                Children should be raised in a family.

                If this is not possible, have adequate relatives.
                If this is not possible, in an adequate Russian foster family, with the support of the state.
                Even if this is not possible, then forgive me: in an orphanage or other appropriate institution with appropriate state support.

                Here, according to the information that I saw on the Internet, unfortunately, problems arose with the family, with relatives too. The issue is now being considered by the relevant state authorities. organs.

                We don’t know this situation for sure, but lynching government employees. authorities at this stage, sorry, in my opinion there is no reason.
          2. -1
            7 January 2013 19: 20
            do you think this is smart?!
            this indicates your absolute inability to conduct an argument and dialogue
            1. lechatormosis
              +1
              7 January 2013 19: 28
              Sorry - I didn't meet your expectations smile
  56. 0
    7 January 2013 15: 29
    Yes, many agents of influence, more simply traitors, are pursuing a policy of destruction of family and society, and their main argument is the protection of childhood and motherhood, and if there is no family, there will be no state
    1. 0
      7 January 2013 19: 23
      Hardly anyone would argue with this, but the author is specifically defaming
      and lumps together asocial families whose problem has nothing to do with juvenile justice, which in turn is not suitable for Russia.
    2. donchepano
      0
      8 January 2013 08: 28
      Quote: bubla5
      Yes, many agents of influence, more simply traitors, are pursuing a policy of destruction of family and society, and their main argument is the protection of childhood and motherhood, and if there is no family, there will be no state


      THIS IS PROBABLY WHERE THE ROOT IS
      CAN JUVENILES AND INDIVIDUAL DEPUTIES BE IN THE SERVICE OF THE STATE DEPARTMENT OR THE COMMITTEE OF 300?

      THE GOAL IS THE DESTRUCTION OF RUSSIA THROUGH THE REMOVING OF CHILDREN?
  57. Dawd
    +2
    7 January 2013 15: 33
    If they don’t want to get a revolution, don’t want to be hanged upside down, they should think that taking children away is too much, we certainly won’t tolerate or forgive this, they should understand that there is a line that cannot be crossed!
  58. +4
    7 January 2013 15: 38
    Magadan, thanks for the article. Comments on this article say that in Russia (at least on our forum) people are mostly normal and have normal views on Juvenile Bacchanalia. Merry Christmas everyone !!!
  59. wax
    +2
    7 January 2013 16: 21
    Is it any wonder at the scale of repression under Stalin? Here they are - the enemies of the Russian people, and they come from all the cracks every year in ever-increasing numbers. Now we have gone from rewriting history to mass moral corruption of children. These are irremovable nails in the future coffin of Russia.
  60. 10mihail
    +1
    7 January 2013 16: 55
    Our country is being attacked from all sides, and our leaders are flirting..... it’s like a grenade for the time being... then it will be too late to come to your senses.... after all, there is an open war against RUSSIA....
  61. djon3volta
    -4
    7 January 2013 17: 03
    Well, how many REAL cases of JU do you know in 2012? Well, let’s say there are three cases that the zombies of the article are singing about here. Is there data for 2011, for example? In short, they’ve blown a molehill out of a molehill, and it’s obvious.. well, it’s obvious. No, I understand if this happened every month 3-5 times, and really because of repairs or not enough money. Well, this is not, this is not the case. The comrade who posted the article is just a provocateur who is bored. That’s all. He simply has nothing to do, so he’s from two cases described in the article inflated the ELEPHANT from the FLY.
    By the way, did Zyuganov find or not find a NATO base in Ulyanovsk? I’m sure he didn’t find it, because there wasn’t and isn’t any base there.
  62. Beltar
    -1
    7 January 2013 17: 07
    What does homosexuality and masturbation have to do with it? Didn't the boys know how to jerk off without books? laughing
  63. lechatormosis
    +6
    7 January 2013 17: 08
    Bravo MAGADAN, you have raised a topic that will SOONER OR LATER explode in our society - those approving the METHODS OF THE FINNISH JUVENILE (KHOKHOL) have already appeared on the forum
    MY OPINION - children should not be deprived of their fathers and mothers at the whim of JUVENILE OFFICIALS.
    Let's get to the point where you can write a denunciation AGAINST THE SAME KHKHOL and ON THIS BASIS TAKE THE CHILDREN AWAY FROM HIM.
    NO TO JUVENILE and NO AGAIN to this infection.
    1. Khokhol-MSC
      -1
      7 January 2013 18: 21
      Lech, unlike you, I have legally broken down the laws on Juvenalka in other forums, indicating where and what loopholes will allow what to be done. True, few people have mastered such mega-posts)))

      So here it is. If you are patient and read my posts, and then suddenly turn on your brain, you will understand that I am not a supporter of YuYu, but her opponent, as I have written about here several times.

      And if you start to think with your brain still turned on, you will see that I am writing about the main thing: about 4 children who are actually destroyed with the connivance of their parents.

      And then, I write that Magadan acts as a provocateur in the article, because after describing the horror of YuYu, he takes your approval for the murder of these 4 children.

      AND THEY ARE LIKE YOU!!! YELLING!!! WHAT: “Yes, and kill the children” ...

      Once again: read! attentively! article! THINK!
      1. lechatormosis
        +1
        7 January 2013 18: 53
        Dear Little Russian, I EVEN READ VERY CAREFULLY THE ARTICLE OF MAGADAN and not only him.
        As for my MY BRAINS, I will please you, I DID NOT SELL them to anyone.
        On the topic: it all starts small. I UNDERSTAND YOU LOVE CHILDREN and don’t want them to SUFFER.

        But understand something else - THE ROAD TO HELL IS PAVED WITH GOOD WISHES.
        There is no guarantee that people who take children away from PROBLEM PARENTS WILL NOT AUTOMATICALLY TRANSFER TO NORMAL families.
        Human nature is IMPERFECT and any official, due to his own self-interest and desire to earn extra money, CAN SIMPLY put the weaning of CHILDREN on PERSONAL BUSINESS EXAMPLES OF THIS.
        Therefore, it is necessary to clearly SEPARATE WHERE THE CHILD IS IN DANGER from the parents AND WHERE FROM JUVENILE OFFICIALS.
        As for YOU, I DO NOT ACCEPT YOUR POSITION DUE TO YOUR ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR INNESS.
        1. Khokhol-MSC
          +2
          7 January 2013 21: 28
          Therefore, it is necessary to clearly SEPARATE WHERE THE CHILD IS IN DANGER from the parents AND WHERE FROM JUVENILE OFFICIALS.


          Right. On the other hand, I note that there is a danger from the actions or inaction of parents. Right? Inaction can also be destructive.

          Based on this, everything that I constantly repeat in the topic, which should not be
          ABSOLUTE CONFIDENCE IN YOUR OWN INERRROR

          and do not immediately shout about lynching, that in any case the OOiP are guilty and demand their immediate execution.

          See for yourself about absolutism: 93 comments “for” and 3 “against” the article. Moreover, these 3 are against everyone and write:

          Turn your head on, the situation here seems to be not so simple and there is clearly a distortion of facts, which raises suspicion about the materials presented. Not everything is as simple as the author makes it out to be.
      2. +1
        7 January 2013 21: 08
        Well, enlighten us. Provide relevant links. There is no need to offer people vile things in the form of threats to the current Criminal Code of the Russian Federation.
  64. +4
    7 January 2013 17: 25
    Destroy our family, undermine the foundation of our state, our identity, our centuries-old Russian mentality... simply destroy us... the whole abomination of juvenile justice is that, hiding behind good intentions, “erase” our multinational people... our task is to prevent moral deformities and corrupt politicians in the “holy of holies” of our bastion into our families..
  65. +1
    7 January 2013 20: 32
    It’s just that officials need to show that they are needed, they need to cut off money from the budget for orphanages, and then fund them. and this is not caring for children. They only care about their own existence.
  66. 46bob46
    +5
    7 January 2013 20: 49
    Let anyone justify them. Only one thing is true
  67. phantom359
    +2
    7 January 2013 20: 57
    I'm not surprised. The best specialists who can be useful are lured to the West, and those that they don’t fucking need are cultivated locally. It would be better if they adopted something good.
  68. +1
    7 January 2013 21: 12
    I gave a "-" to the author of the article for a specific example: "concrete actions .... the family of Alexei Zaitsev-Voskresensky, living in the village of Kuznetsovka, house 17, Staritsky district,"
    - I would flog such “parents” myself from the bottom of my heart, with all my diligence! I feel sorry for the children.
  69. Hedgehog
    +1
    7 January 2013 23: 01
    So we got to the children... WHAT ELSE ARE WE WAITING???!!!
  70. DeerIvanovich
    +1
    7 January 2013 23: 21
    http://letters.kremlin.ru/
    Magadan, did you write here? If not, then write.
    Then post the correspondence. Let's see what they answer, but they are obliged to answer anyway.

    Yes, one more thing, have you contacted the prosecutor's office? what did they tell you? (there is doubt that the prosecutor’s office will respond adequately)
    regarding abuse of power, you can also contact the regional branch of the FSB of the Russian Federation. they are also obliged to respond. (these should, in theory, react adequately).
  71. DeerIvanovich
    +2
    7 January 2013 23: 37
    http://letters.kremlin.ru/
    and in general, you need to organize a scheduled mailing of messages on a specific topic to this address. with a huge flow of information on the same issue, the presidential office will definitely respond
    Let’s say a person takes on the role of organizer and formulates a topic, and then everyone else writes letters to the president’s website with the specified topic, but keep in mind that the content should be in the form of a brief summary of the ideas that the organizer will formulate.
    Let me note once again the presentation, not copying!!!
    Plus, sending messages implies targeting and participants in the action must be ready to send a letter on their own behalf.
    Magadan, be an organizer on the topic of juveniles, organize the people, see how many people support you.
    Russia does not need another flawed idea of ​​the liberals!
    We are learning to fight back against non-humans in a civilized manner.

    At least, if our people turn out to be cowardly, no one is stopping you personally from sending a letter to this site, unless of course you have already done so.
  72. +2
    8 January 2013 00: 00
    Quote: Crest-MSC
    And then, I write that Magadan acts as a provocateur in the article, because after describing the horror of YuYu, he takes your approval for the murder of these 4 children


    People! And above all, the Site Administration! I have this specific proposal:

    1. My position is clear: there will be all sorts of excuses from the perverts from YuYu, that they supposedly care about families, etc. and so on. Poking their nose at the obvious facts that families need to be helped and not children taken away is useless.
    It is useless to say the obvious that every family has the right to raise children without the interference of bureaucrats.

    2. The masterminds of YU also push through laws on “sexual education” for children. The masterminds of YU work closely with international organizations that directly state the goals of reducing the world's population.
    This does not give any thought to the commentators-defenders of YuYu.

    3. Activists in the Tver region continue to fight for the Zaitsev-Yakovlev family. Here are the coordinates:
    Chairman of the TGOO “For Life and Protection of Family Values”

    Akimkin V. A. 89036948158

    Head of TRO VOD "People's Cathedral" Kapyshev I.O.
    You can find out everything from them.
    They also posted the text of the appeal to the President, the Prosecutor’s Office, etc. here:
    http://www.narodsobor.ru/regions/r-events/13279-organy-opeki-ili-karateli-staric


    zk
    ogo-rajona

    4. NOW THE MAIN THING:
    Mr. Khokhol-MSK considers me a provocateur. He thinks that I am working for someone, obviously stirring up some kind of wave to benefit our foreign enemies.
    I consider him an accomplice of juvenile scumbags. I don’t believe in his sincerity, I don’t believe that he worries about the children from the bottom of his heart.

    In light of the fact that the law on Slander has come out, I’ll explain its essence a little: Slander is considered to be when a person tells a lie about another person in advance, initially assuming that it is a lie. In general, there must be some kind of intent. That's it in a nutshell.
    I declare to all of you that I knew nothing about the personalities of the members of the guardianship authorities of the Tver region before the publication on the Internet of information about how guardians from the Tver region, now called in various news, Punishers from the Staritsky district, took children from the Zaitsev-Voskresensky family. I have no self-interest , I never received any money from anyone.
    I'm ready to prove this with a lie detector. I have thoughts on how to make this obvious to everyone.
    In turn, I demand that the user with the nickname Khokhol-MSK be ready to do the same. If he is sincere in his posts, and is not someone’s hireling or a member of organizations such as Guardianship, YU, other organizations, including international family planning... in a word, if he, like me, is simply from the people, then honor to him and praise for his position.
    I suggest that the forum participants think about the questions that need to be asked to me (on the topic that I will “hire” someone, and the article is custom-made) and Mr. u-MSK, on ​​the topic of who he works for.
    After the results of testing on the Lie Detector, I propose to mutually sue each other under the law of libel. We will inform Forum participants about the progress of all processes openly.
    How to exchange personal data - there are ideas.

    Are you satisfied with this arrangement, Mr. Khokhol-MSK?
    1. donchepano
      0
      8 January 2013 08: 38
      MAGADAN IS A MAN!!!!
    2. 0
      8 January 2013 09: 46
      Quote: Magadan
      1. My position is clear: there will be all sorts of excuses from the perverts from YuYu, that they supposedly care about families, etc. and so on. Poking their nose at the obvious facts that families need to be helped and not children taken away is useless. Saying obvious things that every family has the right to raise children without interference from bureaucrats - it’s useless.

      - Magadan, don’t you see this as the crap of society (a softer expression just doesn’t fit). When you mention Western-style perversions, aren’t you suggesting that we should pervert indefinitely in the opposite direction?
      Can you look with indifference at hungry, scantily clad children, little or little less, while “mom and dad” are drinking away their allowance? Now, if such cases happen, what do you suggest to do? I think that you will be harsh towards such “parents”. And if the children from one family are all rude, look around with hostility and terrorize yours and all the other children in the area, then don’t you assume what they have in common from their parents? (In my childhood there was a similar case: a single mother did not dry out, her son, my age, never looked kindly at anyone, everyone who offended him weaker was regularly beaten for that (I do not repent and do not regret). And in 13 years old, "having fun" doused his companion with gasoline and set him on fire. Maybe he had such genes in him, maybe his upbringing - in the sense of the absence of it. Isn't this a reason for early concern and intervention?)
      I wrote here above that all discussions of the topic slide towards condemnation of Western perversions, and after this to a complete denial of control over the situation in dysfunctional families, as if it is impossible to develop your own set of rules and norms. So, perverted, they will come to the statement: “my child, I do what I want.” How can you avoid this? Still, should there be any requirements for parents? If you agree that there should be a minimum of requirements, then think about how to fulfill them in life (demand, control, warn).
      1. +1
        8 January 2013 09: 59
        I agree about drunks. But who said that children cannot be given to relatives while their parents are recovering from alcoholism? There were special medical treatment centers in the USSR where they treated drunks with labor. And almost always there were grandmothers, aunts, etc., with whom the children lived.
        And in a specific situation, are the parents drunks? NO! They simply don't have money! My father works shifts in other cities! There is no firewood, because... man in another city! Who gave the right to judge these people? To take away children because people are poor? If the battery in my house breaks, and my wife doesn’t have the money to pay the plumber, then the solution is to take the children away from me?
        1. 0
          8 January 2013 10: 10
          1. What I suggested is written in the last paragraph of my post
          Quote: Kite
          I wrote here above that all discussions of the topic slide towards condemnation of Western perversions, and after this to a complete denial of control over the situation in dysfunctional families, as if it is impossible to develop your own set of rules and norms. So, perverted, they will come to the statement: “my child, I do what I want.” How can you avoid this? Still, should there be any requirements for parents? If you agree that there should be a minimum of requirements, then think about how to fulfill them in life (demand, control, warn).

          2. I often see houses of those who work on shifts; firewood is needed there only for fireplaces. Well, I’m adding this to explain how unlikely and exceptional the situation you describe with a specific “shift worker” is.
  73. SAVA555.IVANOV
    +1
    8 January 2013 00: 16
    Magadan, don’t pay attention to the degenerates, they don’t really know who is to blame, but who is to blame, they protect those who are a little wicked “garbage” on our heads, so they also came up with children’s police, everyone knows that OBNONs are doing the exact opposite thing. Also the traffic police, and now the same sticky bitch is GETTING TO THE CHILDREN!!!!!
  74. +2
    8 January 2013 03: 51
    Thank you Savva.
    I can't help but pay attention. And I don’t think that Khokhol-MSK is a degenerate.
    He is either mistaken, which I will be glad about.
    Either somehow connected with this case, or with the guardianship authorities in general.
    This is what I propose to find out with the help of our mutual polygraph testing.
    Then you guys can see who's who. What if I actually hire someone? What if I really have something personal to do with the names I cited in the article and I’m slandering them?!
    Lie detector is not science fiction. It is impossible to deceive him. Testing costs money, I'm ready.
    There, during testing, they will immediately determine whether I am the same person who wrote the article. And there they will determine whether this is the same person who called himself om-MSK.
    I really want to get a simple answer - is my opponent really sincerely worries about the children (from this story) or simply tries to protect, for some reason, specific individuals involved in this “operation” carried out by juvenile punishers.
    I have not yet contacted activists from Tver at the indicated telephone numbers, but I will do so today.
    I ask forum participants to think about the questions they should ask me and my opponent when testing on the Detector.
    I will discuss the method of testing, the location, the financial side, and most importantly - informing the TOPVOR site as soon as I receive the consent of my opponent. I won’t hide it - I’m not revealing all my cards yet.
  75. cil86
    +2
    8 January 2013 04: 42
    YES ENEMIES IN POWER, ENEMIES!
    1. -2
      8 January 2013 13: 18
      Cool! what kind of mattress is drawn next to your nickname?
  76. SAVA555.IVANOV
    +2
    8 January 2013 04: 53
    Magadan Your article reflects your opinion, but many agree with it, and if you had not raised this topic, then in 20 years an article would have been published on Military Review about how there is no one to serve again, because people stopped having children, knowing that they would be taken away some kind of “rotten Ramsists”. A little about the future, how these faces from the guardianship authorities will soon go further, given the experience of “garbage”, they themselves will beat the children, and then appear to parents in the middle of the night with an inspection, “you are beating the children,” pointing to bruises, break people’s windows and then squeal “It’s cold in their house,” throw in cockroaches and talk about unsanitary conditions.
    And then the series will be about the hard everyday life of the juvenile affairs of the masters in which one thought will be exaggerated, “THEY ARE THEMSELVES TO GUILTY,” that is, parents (as with drug addicts), and we are supposed to be shirtless guys and after work, just like everyone else, we will sit on a bench in the yard Let's drink a hundred grams, ride on the swings, but for some reason these guys will look more like today's traffic cops (just as fat and well-groomed) in general, the children of the future will dream of working in juvenile justice.
    In the taiga they will build orphanages with security and watchtowers (so that the parents don’t get to the children here, otherwise they will “offend” them again), in general, in the future, children will be taken from the womb of the mother, demanding more and more funds from the budget for “pacifiers” and diapers but instead of them there will be Mercedes with flashing lights, a lot of benefits and privileges, but only for employees and not children.
  77. +2
    8 January 2013 06: 17
    Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
    A little about the future, how these faces from the guardianship authorities will soon go further, given the experience of “garbage”, they themselves will beat the children, and then appear to parents in the middle of the night with an inspection, “you are beating the children,” pointing to bruises, break people’s windows and then squeal “it’s cold in their house”, throw cockroaches and talk about unsanitary conditions

    It never even occurred to me, but damn, it’s plausible!
    All this snot about parents who are monsters and parents who are drunks is just an excuse to get into ANY family. This way you can at least intimidate any “inconvenient” person if you have connections.
    Again, I can’t wrap my head around the thought that guardians then sell children for their organs, but who really knows!
    There is NOT a single reason, you CANNOT agree to any arguments that someone has the right to get into someone else’s family at all.
    If children are mutilated by freak parents, then there is a regular article of the Criminal Code for this. If the parents are drunks, then let them collect witnesses who will pass a lie detector test. Then let these parents be sent for treatment. The children are given to relatives.
    What if the stove in the house is broken? No firewood? Or the battery leaked in the end, and the husband is in another city, and the wife simply has no money!!!! Should I pick up the children? Instead of repairing the stove and bringing in firewood?!
    Get lost, philosophy!
    1. 0
      8 January 2013 09: 55
      Quote: Magadan
      Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV A little about the future, how these faces from the guardianship authorities will soon go further, given the experience of “garbage”, they will beat the children themselves, and then appear to parents in the middle of the night with an inspection, “you say you are beating children,” pointing to bruises, breaking people windows and then squeal “it’s cold in their house,” throw cockroaches and talk about unsanitary conditions. It never even occurred to me, but damn, it’s believable! All this snot about monster parents and alcoholic parents is just an excuse to get into ANY family.

      - Well, good gentlemen, you have already brought each other to a state of passion! (you started to fantasize like that!) Then continue to fantasize and think about how to exclude the most perverted versions of events.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +1
        8 January 2013 10: 59
        Korshun If you called us dreamers, they say we went too far. Then, dear man, answer what you think about Kushchevka and Sagra, haven’t some “short-wigglers” turned their responsibilities upside down, the country (no matter Russia or Ukraine) is drowning in drugs and This is a pattern: those who should stand guard over society do the opposite.
        You can exclude such scenarios only by treating your people with respect, and the same “garbage” should cease to be such, for example, “squeeze” chocks from the markets working on the principle of “goods to customs” and then no matter what foreigner’s mug - the infidel did not trade in the market, threatening the security of the country with her mass numbers, they are still being protected, let this father trade at the nearby regional market and go home in the evening, let him get rich and spend this money in his own country and not send it to his relatives knows where
        Or should people join sects sponsored by the West or change their faith to Muslim!?
        CHRONIC POVERTY is one of the causes of all ills.
        1. 0
          8 January 2013 11: 08
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          CHRONIC POVERTY is one of the causes of all ills

          delirium
          What does poverty have to do with it, what does it have to do with the topic, and it’s not at all clear to Kushchevka
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            +1
            8 January 2013 11: 39
            Well, I don’t feel like “chewing” now, I remembered my childhood, read the comment above.
            By the way, I wanted to ask, do you seem to live on some kind of farm, and do you have internet there? Sorry if I misunderstood. Sincerely.
            1. 0
              8 January 2013 12: 33
              Imagine, I have it, I can plug in 10 Mbps if I want, but I really don’t need it, but I have 2 megabits and a landline phone and water in the house and sewerage
              1. SAVA555.IVANOV
                +1
                8 January 2013 12: 46
                Wow!! If only it were like this all over Russia!!!! And the price of real estate in Russian villages would rise and all sorts of famous people there would invest money in the “Russian village” like Depardieu))))!!! Here is one of the solutions of the Russian outback.
                1. +1
                  8 January 2013 13: 25
                  about no, this is how it should be everywhere, there is a federal program for telephone installation, and the lack of lines, as a rule, is simply not the desire of local authorities to move, water and sewerage are not a problem with today’s technologies for any guy whose hands grow from where they need to, I did everything myself, I don’t like it when my ass is cold and dirty
        2. -2
          8 January 2013 11: 58
          I don’t know how to answer a question formulated this way! In Kushchevka and Sagra, did events develop as established by law? The fact of the matter is that it is illegal, and we are discussing the possibility/necessity of establishing legal regulation and control in something or in this matter.
          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          You can exclude such scenarios only by treating your people with respect,

          - and you have already touched upon the moral/spiritual sphere. An even more difficult question! Most of our people do not believe in the Creator and unity with him, where then will the respect of one “colony of cells - an organism” for another similar one come from? Moreover, in matters of education, the majority completely, absolutely deny society’s interference in family relationships

          Quote: SAVA555.IVANOV
          "squeeze chock" from the markets working on the principle of "goods to customs"

          - I can’t agree here either. Very often I see that Chinese goods from a fellow tribesman are much more expensive than those from a nearby Chinese selling the same thing. Should I give a lecture to a fellow tribesman on the rational conduct of business with concern for his well-being in the future or propose for discussion legal requirements for everyone? Or, out of solidarity, accept a higher cost for me personally?
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            +1
            8 January 2013 12: 22
            The point is that we are being “squeezed out” from everywhere, the price of the goods from the Chinese is why it is cheaper for him, then the goods will be sold at the same price at wholesale, but to the Russian entrepreneur it is simply more expensive, the same with Turkish fruits.
            But this is the first time until they find an alternative, they are bringing bananas from Ecuador, it is profitable, and given that during the transition period the price of goods from China will rise, then our entrepreneurs will begin to produce goods for the population, taking into account the benefits.
            Here's a little lecture for you))))
  78. +1
    8 January 2013 10: 12
    Quote: DeerIvanovich
    At least, if our people turn out to be cowardly, no one is stopping you personally from sending a letter to this site, unless of course you have already done so.

    I'm already sending it out. I decided to actively distribute leaflets in Magadan against YuYu from the Essence of Time Movement.
    I wrote to the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation with a request to conduct an investigation into the possible fact of child trafficking. The fact is that in the Tver region one boss has already been fired for trying to get a bribe from a potential adoptive parent.
    I’m silent about my personal connections, don’t ask.
    I wrote to the RF IC because I think Bastyrkin is an honest person. This was shown by the Sagra case, I believe what I see.
    Text of the letter :

    "Dear Alexander Ivanovich!
    Remembering your work on the occasion of the village. Sagra, the Internet community considers you an honest professional in the service of the country. Please help restore justice again. In the Tver region, Staritsky district, the Guardianship authorities, represented by the head Sokolova L.V., on December 21, 2012, took four children, two boys and two girls, born in 2008, 2010, 2011, 2012, from the Zaitsev-Voskresensky family. The reason is the lack of firewood in the house and the malfunction of the stove heating. Instead of helping families in need, Guardianship officials take children away! Previously, according to information from the Internet, in the same area the former head of the Guardianship Authorities was dismissed for revelations of receiving bribes for assistance in adoption.
    We, residents of different cities of the country, are extremely outraged by this raid by juvenile punitive forces. Instead of helping the family, they took the children just because the family had a small income. We will be very grateful to you if the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation conducts an investigation into this case regarding the personal financial interest of the employees of this Guardianship Authority, because cases of child trafficking have already occurred there. "
    But it’s better to write in your own words
    Write here: http://www.sledcom.ru/internet-reception/
    And also here:
    170100, Tver, Simeonovskaya st., 27
    Prosecutor of the Tver region
    State Counselor of Justice 2nd class
    Rosinsky Vyacheslav Vsevolodovich
    Better in your own words.
  79. +2
    8 January 2013 11: 05
    Quote: Kite
    - Well, good gentlemen, you have already brought each other to a state of passion! (they started to fantasize like that!)

    smile there is little. But this is not surprising if the same people who offer “sexual education” simultaneously deal with family issues.
    Again, it doesn’t matter how many such cases occur. They will teach us gradually. There is such a method - “the gradual introduction of changes into the usual environment.” No one will attack all the families at once; first they will conduct reconnaissance in force. And then they will methodically hammer into people’s minds that perversion is actually good, and perverts are just normal, and we, the normal ones, are perverts.
    It’s a pity that the Botanologist is not joining the conversation; he would quickly explain to you how the consciousness of the masses can be manipulated.

    Okay, I have to go, I have things to do, including on this issue. Till tomorrow!
    1. SAVA555.IVANOV
      0
      8 January 2013 11: 43
      Magadan Don't get too worked up my friend, take care of your nerves "Cool head but warm heart"!!!! I fully support and respect your point of view.
    2. -1
      8 January 2013 12: 35
      the problem is that you have all lumped it together, but the problems are different and need to be solved in different ways too
    3. 0
      8 January 2013 12: 46
      Quote: Magadan
      There is such a method - “the gradual introduction of changes into the usual environment.”

      - society itself changes, sometimes very dramatically. There were very harsh times, but in our time there has been a lot of moaning and drooling, Western absurd liberalism and the imaginary opposite - the value of only the personal, with complete indifference/tolerance towards others. No, I’m not for the rules like in Sparta (children at the age of 8 were taken from their families and raised as warriors), I would not want our children at the age of 14 to be ready to stand next to their fathers on the “Kulikovo field”, noble children at the age of 7 left family, starting their studies in the cadet corps before reaching 30 and already commanding troops with the rank of general. But there is a suspicion that they achieved success and fame because society and state power demanded from their parents great responsibility for their children.
      1. SAVA555.IVANOV
        +1
        8 January 2013 12: 53
        By the way, does anyone know what the conditions are for admission to the Suvorov or Nakhimov schools? Thanks in advance for your answer))
        1. +1
          8 January 2013 13: 11
          I haven’t asked this question before, and now I don’t need to, but for an initial introduction:
          http://msvu.edumil.ru/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=169&Itemid=56

          (Moscow Suvorov Military School)
          1. SAVA555.IVANOV
            +1
            8 January 2013 13: 47
            Thank you for your participation, I want to raise a soldier))
      2. 0
        12 January 2013 11: 10
        I don’t understand the connection with juveniles! What does the Suvorov School have to do with it?
        I am an ardent admirer of those who give their children to serve the Motherland and honor and praise to such parents and such children! But I am ready to shoot those who are going to take away someone’s child. Family is inviolable. And period. If anyone wants to “save children from alcoholic parents,” then let them first receive non-anonymous appeals from relatives of such children. And let him first try several times to cure his parents of alcoholism. And then let there be a trial where other blood relatives of such children will be among the accused. And let the children be given to relatives at the end, and not to an orphanage.
        By the way, the idea with the Suvorov schools is good! OR TO SUVOROV SCHOOLS!!!! NO READOPTION THEN AT ALL!!!
        1. SAVA555.IVANOV
          0
          12 January 2013 11: 56
          Quote: Magadan
          I don’t understand the connection with juveniles! What does the Suvorov School have to do with it?

          Friend "By the way" this is, as it were, continuing the theme about the children of others, the difference is insignificant)))
          I’m watching “Russia 24” in the city of Kyzyl there is no heating, it turns out that the government needs to be overthrown, so to speak, the “fathers of the people” should be deprived of “fatherhood”!?
  80. prophetic
    +2
    8 January 2013 12: 05
    as you can see, many still believe in evil officials and the good father of the tsar, as if these creatures are not working under his leadership, and not with his permission. It is at least strange not to understand that all the miracle of reform and laws are adopted under the strict leadership of Volodya. otherwise it turns out that he knows about cranes and seagulls, but our patron saint has no idea that there are juvenile villains. So let’s go to him with a petition, tell him about the careless bureaucrats
  81. SAVA555.IVANOV
    0
    8 January 2013 12: 58
    For the author, in support good
    My friend went to Magadan.
    Hats off, hats off!
    He left himself, he left
    Not by stage, not by stage.

    It's not that the friend is unlucky,
    Not to spite anyone,
    Not for the rumor that, supposedly, he’s an eccentric,
    And just like that, just like that.

    Perhaps someone will say: - In vain!
    How can you decide to lose everything?
    After all, there are continuous camps there,
    And there are murderers in them, and there are murderers in them!

    He will answer: “Don’t believe the rumors.”
    There are no more of them there than in Moscow.-
    Then he will pack his suitcase -
    And to Magadan, and to Magadan.

    It’s not that I’m beyond my years, -
    I would jump from the train at night, -
    But I'm not going to Magadan,
    Forgetting habits, closing quotes.

    I will sing to the sound of strings
    About what he will see
    About something I have never seen in my life -
    About Magadan, about Magadan.

    My friend went by himself,
    He's had enough, he's had enough.
    The convoy will not beat him,
    He is voluntary, he is voluntary.
  82. +2
    9 January 2013 02: 06
    To everyone who is interested in this topic, who is interested in where the legs come from, why exactly everything happens this way and who needs it (and why) - I highly recommend the third book in the series “Project Russia”. starting somewhere from chapter 10. Very detailed, everything is laid out on the shelves. This is truly a (small) part of the global plan. At the same time, the strategy and tactics for implementing such destructive programs are described in great detail.
    HIGHLY RECOMMEND!