Capitalism has become worse for Russia than World War II

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Capitalism has become worse for Russia than World War II
The ruins of the Volgograd Tractor Plant, optimized for 2017


Power of the rich


Black October (Black house. How Yeltsin crushed the popular uprising) summed up the destruction of the USSR and Soviet civilization. Yeltsin carried out a coup d'état in the interests of the emerging plutocracy (from Greek: “power of the rich”) and oligarchy (from Greek: “power of the few”), the comprador bourgeoisie, which thrives on the sale of national wealth. Plus the interests of corrupt officials, ethnic clans parasitizing the country and organized crime groups. The liberal intelligentsia, the elite, which serves the interests of the ruling class, is also thriving. Therefore, artists and other actors in the Russian Federation were close to the elite, with the exception of exceptions that were not sold.



The people were promised jeans, sausage, chewing gum (to build a well-fed consumer society) and freedom from the Soviet totalitarianism. However 30 years of power by big business, plutocrats, oligarchs and bankers have shown that this is “freedom” from power, property and social justice. In 2022, the illusion of security also collapsed. For the first time since World War II, Russian territory is being shelled by guns and mortars, attacked by missiles, planes and Drones.

It is clear that a small group of people, literally a few percent of the entire population, benefited from the collapse of the USSR, the capitalist regime, diluted with elements of feudalism and criminality, the creation of a consumer society, which became for Russia a society of extermination and self-destruction.

Thus, according to Rosstat, only 8% earn or receive a per capita income of over 100 thousand rubles per month. This is the real bourgeoisie. Among these 8% of the rich and very rich (that is, per capita income of a million rubles or more per month) there is no more than 1,5% percent. It owns more than 50% of the country's national wealth. At the same time, 78% of the Russian population lives in varying degrees of poverty and poverty (Africanization of Russia).

Those few who were able to get rich and did not end up in a cemetery during the “dashing 90s” were able to move to the coveted West, join the “beautiful life”, or transport children, families, mistresses and lovers there. Some continue to “work” in Russia, creating “alternate airfields” somewhere in Florida, the Cote d'Azur of France or Dubai.

Country losses


During this time, the country lost 26 million people and 40% of the national economy, as appreciated publication "Equality". This is the difference between actual indicators and possible (alternative) ones that would have developed at Soviet growth rates of 1980-1989.

According to the Goskomstat forecast from 1990, more than 2023 million people could live in the RSFSR by 172. Currently, 146 million people live in the Russian Federation (without new regions). That is, the loss of population is 26 million people. These are direct losses. Researchers know that there are indirect ones - from abortions, deterioration in the quality of life of most of the people - nutrition, physical education, stress, degradation and commercialization of the health care system, the adoption of Western standards of consumption and principles of life (hedonism, small and childless children, an increase in the number of perverts), etc. etc. Thus, Russia's demographic losses increase by 2-3 times.

At the same time, the loss of income of the population is 41%. The disposable income of 80% of Russians (excluding the rich) in 2022 amounted to 25,9 thousand rubles per month. At Soviet growth rates and the level of inequality, they would have become 43 thousand rubles. To this it is worth adding the achievements of Soviet socialism: free education (the best in the world, or at the level of leaders), healthcare, social security, free housing, security system, low crime rate, low level of social diseases, etc.

Economic losses over 30 years – 40%. In 1985, growth slowed down to just 2,3%, which became the reason for “perestroika,” that is, the destruction of the USSR. But even at such growth rates, GDP was 1990 times greater than in 2,1, and not a measly 26%, as in fact. Russia's economy would be $7,7 trillion, not $4,6 trillion. We would be among the world leaders in economics, second only to the United States, China and India. This is while maintaining those small growth rates.

Production losses over 30 years of “responsible business” power amounted to 66%. Agricultural losses – 44%. Previously, agricultural losses were higher. But the agricultural sector has been on the rise in the last decade. But this does not affect the Russian village, which has been dying out and is dying out. This is due to the development of large agricultural holdings that export grain, meat, butter, etc. abroad. At the same time, food prices are rising and rising. More and more people work “for food”.

Similar calculations show that the population losses of the RSFSR in 1941-1945. amounted to 20 million people, and households - 44%. This is in the conditions of the most brutal of world wars, with the Nazis’ policy of exterminating prisoners of war and civilians, clearing living space for the “superior race”. But then the western and part of the central part of Russia was destroyed. The eastern part of the USSR-Russia developed rapidly. And after liberation from occupation, the Soviet government quickly and effectively (in the West they thought that Russia would take much longer to recover) restored everything destroyed.

In this way, The grin of bestial capitalism has become worse for Russia and its people than the invasion of Hitler’s “blond beasts.” Russia collapsed to a lower level of social development (in some places up to the new feudalism), experienced economic and demographic catastrophes (Verdict of Russian civilization). Now we are already on the verge of a state and civilizational catastrophe according to the scenario of 1917 or 1991.

As the Russian historian V. Klyuchevsky noted:

«History doesn’t teach anything, but only punishes for not knowing his lessons.”
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  1. -34
    12 October 2023 04: 10
    The main reason for the “loss of the national economy” is that consumers were given the right to choose. As a result, no one needed the conventional Moskvich, because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which were much more attractive in terms of price-quality ratio.
    1. +33
      12 October 2023 04: 40
      Quote from Escariot
      because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which in terms of price-quality ratio were much more attractive.

      Yeah, especially those who rushed to buy those whose salaries were given vodka, and this is not the worst option, to give it away!
      At least they understood something about the topic other than Lieberach’s mantras.
      1. -25
        12 October 2023 04: 45
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Quote from Escariot
        because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which in terms of price-quality ratio were much more attractive.

        Yeah, especially those who rushed to buy those whose salaries were given vodka, and this is not the worst option, to give it away!
        At least they understood something about the topic other than Lieberach’s mantras.

        Naturally, salaries began to be paid in vodka or mufflers for cars, because along with Moskvich, related enterprises producing mufflers were no longer needed. And it’s the same with the distillery, because it has become fashionable to distill moonshine and buy royal spirits, and all this without paying extortionate taxes to the state. Consumers themselves decided the fate of the country's industry
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          1. +10
            12 October 2023 07: 49
            “Capitalism rests not on capitalists, but on idiots who dream of becoming capitalists.” This expression is right on point. At the beginning of the article, a destroyed tractor plant in Volgograd is shown. There are more than one such factories in Volgograd. During the Patriotic War, the Stalingrad Motor Plant worked continuously in Beketovka, even during battles. Now all that remains of this plant are ruins. The coup d'etat in Russia was carried out with the full support of the people. It is the people themselves who are to blame for the fact that we live like this now. As they say: “Our lard is ours, and our musal is ours.” There are several types of state development. Russia went through revolution, then evolution to involution. Involution is degradation or degeneration. Both in living nature and in social relations, involution is the ossification of a person, for which I congratulate everyone. Ostination manifested itself most clearly in (in) Ukraine, however, we are not far from them. So alas and ah! Involution, that is, degradation, is essentially a banal degeneration of both the people and the state. Well, we ourselves wanted this, and wishes tend to come true. We have ourselves to blame for everything.
            1. +4
              12 October 2023 13: 38
              We were talking about a return to the Stalinist economy, and Yasin and Chubais relied on “Dunno on the Moon”, like the entire party nomenklatura, which was already eating at two throats and then suddenly it’s trampled... . Such a miracle grew up on Marxist-Leninist soil. Of course, neither socialism nor capitalism can survive on such idiots.
        2. +3
          12 October 2023 08: 39
          That is, in your opinion, the rulers got a useless people?
          1. +8
            12 October 2023 10: 04
            Did the rulers just fall from the moon? Are they not part of a worthless people? And if the people are worthless, then the rulers are exactly the same. It’s logical, isn’t it?
            1. +3
              14 October 2023 02: 48
              Gorohes (Alexey Goroshko). October 12, 2023 10:04 am. NEW. yours -
              "...And did the rulers just fall out of the moon? Are they not part of a worthless people? And if the people are worthless, then the rulers are exactly the same. It’s logical, isn’t it?..."

              "dear strategist" have you ever heard about "negative selection" belay . let's start. not from Gorbachev. and from Nikita "Kukuruznik". "confused" socialism with state capitalism. And why!? feel
              It's time to leave my position. and being “just” a citizen of the USSR has become NOT ENOUGH for that party nomenklatura No. . M went to the selection but personal loyalty to the boss and faith in “money conquers evil” bully ". for example, the “Baderization” of O.kraina is also his merit. Gorby. just put an end to it wassat
              . And the people!? What about the people? Who could believe in 1984 that the USSR, despite all the distortions, would simply PERISH under the strict leadership of the General Secretary. belay ..
              Yes, ambitious and super active, but... the ceiling is a combine operator fool . People without offense. many combine operators would have “ruled” the USSR 100 times better. and especially not brought to the point of collapse... hi
              Apparently someone was leading... the star... bully
          2. man
            +2
            16 October 2023 13: 35
            Quote from: dmi.pris1
            That is, in your opinion, the rulers got a useless people?

            Not so, the people were wonderful, just very naive...
        3. +11
          12 October 2023 09: 08
          after all, it has become fashionable to distill moonshine

          Hospada, what are you talking about...
      2. +8
        12 October 2023 05: 05
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        who got their salary with vodka


        Paying teachers salaries in the 90s with vodka...
        1. -3
          14 October 2023 16: 19
          Quote: Luminman
          Paying teachers salaries in the 90s with vodka...

          Why lie? No one gave any salary with vodka then. Especially for teachers.
          And vodka was very cheap in those years. Three bottles was my salary for the day.
      3. +6
        12 October 2023 06: 29
        At least they understood something about the topic other than Lieberach’s mantras.
        What do mantras have to do with it? Here in Primorye, the automobile business began to flourish in the early 90s... And not EVERYONE was given vodka and manufactured goods. And.. in the early 90s in Japan you could buy quite good “wheels” for 100-300 bucks. Anything happened in THOSE times. So the namesake.. alas, but you don’t understand the topic yourself ((((Ask me how I know? Yes, all this happened before my eyes and since 95 with my direct participation (I’m talking about the auto business) And just many they started doing this because they lost their jobs. There were gangster groups, there were private owners, and there were sailors (like me, for example, in those years)
        1. -6
          12 October 2023 06: 45
          More than 100000 rubles a month and you are already the bourgeoisie - I didn’t know, I didn’t know. I’ll go tell my wife, she will also be surprised. Maybe after all, 10000 $ a month, this is already the bourgeoisie.
          1. +9
            12 October 2023 13: 29
            Maybe still $10000 a month, this is already the bourgeoisie.
            as I already answered to “Caliber” below... a large income does not make someone who has this income belong to some class)))
            Some small one bourgeoisworking on his own equipment for himself may have a lower income than a hired worker - aka proletarian))
    2. +20
      12 October 2023 08: 07
      Quote from Escariot
      As a result, no one needed the conventional Moskvich, because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which were much more attractive in terms of price-quality ratio.
      It may be true about the Muscovites, but for the purchase of Boeing or Airbus aircraft, almost an official kickback was due from these corporations. Unlike our aircraft manufacturing, which Medvedev finally finished off after the Yaroslavl tragedy, although there was a pure crew error.
      1. +7
        12 October 2023 09: 09
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        It may be true about the Muscovites, but for the purchase of Boeing or Airbus aircraft, almost an official kickback was due from these corporations. Unlike our aircraft manufacturing, which Medvedev finally finished off after the Yaroslavl tragedy, although there was a pure crew error.

        Mercedes also made kickbacks to the governments of countries that purchased cars from them, including Russia.
        1. +1
          12 October 2023 09: 26
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Mercedes also made kickbacks to the governments of countries that purchased cars from them, including Russia.
          It’s funny, in the next article I posted a photo of the fighter against imperialism Kim, who prefers to travel in the very imperialist Maybach. The local public did not appreciate such opposition. He probably thinks that all the money was spent on rice for hungry Korean kids. hi
      2. +11
        12 October 2023 10: 43
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        Quote from Escariot
        As a result, no one needed the conventional Moskvich, because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which were much more attractive in terms of price-quality ratio.
        It may be true about the Muscovites, but for the purchase of Boeing or Airbus aircraft, almost an official kickback was due from these corporations. Unlike our aircraft manufacturing, which Medvedev finally finished off after the Yaroslavl tragedy, although there was a pure crew error.

        That's capitalism. And bribes are one of the ways of not entirely fair market struggle. If the management of Aeroflot were paid money by a Russian plant, they would buy a Russian one without batting a brown eye. In the end, the official does not care who gives him a bribe - as long as they give him more.
    3. +9
      12 October 2023 09: 53
      Quote from Escariot
      The main reason for the “loss of the national economy” is that consumers were given the right to choose. As a result, no one needed the conventional Moskvich, because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which were much more attractive in terms of price-quality ratio.

    4. +1
      14 October 2023 16: 31
      Quote from Escariot
      The main reason for the “loss of the national economy” is that consumers were given the right to choose.

      The main reason is that Gorbi brought the country to bankruptcy. The gold reserves have been reset. 100 billion in external debt (at that time this was a lot, it was 120% of the Russian Federation’s GDP). All state banks were bankrupt, all funds of citizens and enterprises were burned.
    5. +2
      14 October 2023 18: 29
      My dear uncle, at the very beginning of the troubled times of 91, sold his Muscovite 412 model 1980. (not a speculator, a leading collective farmer) in the hope of buying (I won’t lie, I don’t remember the scheme - using a quota coupon from the collective farm, or you could have just bought...) a new VAZ 2107... The sale of the Muscovite took place, but about the purchase the new seven had to be forgotten, since the ruble depreciated at that very time and the money received from the sale of a Muscovite in purchasing power turned into candy wrappers... This is the truth about the sale of an old car and the (failed) purchase of a new car in the realities of the collapsed USSR and the emergence of wild-capitalist Russia ... And here you are writing about buying used foreign cars at that time... Who among the ordinary population of the former RSFSR could afford to buy a used foreign car in 1991 when the ruble (the savings of ordinary citizens) depreciated. Only swindlers, hucksters, speculators (IMHO)...
  2. +19
    12 October 2023 04: 19
    To call what was happening in post-Soviet Russia “capitalism” is an insult to capitalism!
    1. +20
      12 October 2023 05: 06
      In Russia, it is precisely that capitalism, with its real face, “poskonny and kondovy” with its “spiritual bonds.” Those changes that took place in the capitalist world occurred under the pressure of the existence of the USSR, and not on their own.
      1. +15
        12 October 2023 06: 30
        Quote: parusnik
        The changes that took place in the capitalist world occurred under the pressure of the existence of the USSR, and not on their own.

        I find more and more evidence of this...
        Capitalism has evolved over hundreds of years to "with a human face." Yes, from thieves, bandits - through many generations something progressed and evolved due to wars, strikes, revolutions and in the 20th century - because of the USSR.
        In our country, as in other capitalist countries, it began with thieves, bandits and former “lords” - with a slight specificity that the bar became wow! boyars. But in the West, too, the aristocracy behaved this way for a long time.
        But why the heck was it necessary to start from the level of the 17th century in building capitalism??? And now wait three hundred years until they “catch up and overtake” their beloved West???
        But they voted themselves, with their hearts. They themselves lay down under the tanks, defending Yeltsin... That’s what they fought for, and that’s what they ran into...
        1. +3
          12 October 2023 06: 47
          But they voted themselves, with their hearts. They themselves lay down under the tanks, defending Yeltsin...
          And in October 1993, they silently supported the shooting of parliament, approved by the collective West.
          1. +34
            12 October 2023 08: 21
            And in October 1993, they silently supported the shooting of parliament, approved by the collective West.
            Yes, how to say, silently or not. The army sat and waited to see who would take it. Pink Uncle Zyu in September 1993 proclaimed “Russia has reached its limit on revolutions.” Of the army men, only Igor Ostapenko went to defend the parliament.
        2. +18
          12 October 2023 06: 57
          Quote from tsvetahaki
          But they voted themselves, with their hearts. They themselves lay down under tanks, defending Yeltsin

          You shouldn't blame ordinary people for the fact that ghouls have seized power. Especially in conditions when the people do not have access to reliable information, when the media are easily sold and bought, when election promises in the media can be made without worrying about criminal liability for fraud for failure to fulfill them. There can be no talk of any democracy given the mass misinformation of the population.
          For example, before the 1996 elections
          Yeltsin's rating fell to 6%. The “Our Home is Russia” party, which he supported, took 3rd place in the Duma elections with 10% of the votes. Yeltsin had no chance of becoming president again, but he became one. Like this?

          Yes, that's a long way to go. Remember what kind of information dirt poured on all channels on the only candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Grudinka, in the 2018 elections. And many who doubted whom to vote for believed.
          1. -10
            12 October 2023 07: 20
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Quote from tsvetahaki
            But they voted themselves, with their hearts. They themselves lay down under tanks, defending Yeltsin

            You shouldn't blame ordinary people for the fact that ghouls have seized power. Especially in conditions when the people do not have access to reliable information, when the media are easily sold and bought, when election promises in the media can be made without worrying about criminal liability for fraud for failure to fulfill them. There can be no talk of any democracy given the mass misinformation of the population.
            For example, before the 1996 elections
            Yeltsin's rating fell to 6%. The “Our Home is Russia” party, which he supported, took 3rd place in the Duma elections with 10% of the votes. Yeltsin had no chance of becoming president again, but he became one. Like this?

            That's what a head on your shoulders is for thinking. If they promise you mountains of gold and the Kingdom of Heaven, then most likely they are trying to cheat you out of money.
            Well, as for Yeltsin’s rating, of course they didn’t like him, but the majority of citizens chose the former between a conditional capitalist and a conditional communist, fearing for their very modest but still their property.
          2. +10
            12 October 2023 07: 59
            You will understand the term “democracy”, with its real meaning, and not what they “blow into your ears” from the zombie box. Democracy is not the power of the people, as the media portrays, but the power of the upper middle class, that is, the demos. This elite is precisely the representatives of the plutocracy and oligarchy. The power of the people, in Russian, is called democracy or kopny right. So you live in full bloom of democracy, which is what you yourself wanted.
          3. +3
            12 October 2023 08: 12
            Quote: Vita VKO
            Remember what kind of information dirt poured on all channels on the only candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Grudinka, in the 2018 elections.
            Moreover, as soon as they realized that he was the only real candidate, and not just another parsley, against the background of which, VVP was the only sane one. At first, even Soloviev treated him favorably
            1. +15
              12 October 2023 10: 51
              It is common knowledge that all candidates are approved by the presidential administration. The AP approved this candidate. Grudinin was not a particularly famous comrade and no one believed that he could score more than Zyuganov, which means he is safe. I have been a member of the Communist Party for a long time, and in 2018 we did a lot of work. For campaigning, distribution of materials, etc. And Grudinin, suddenly, began to take off. I myself stood at the metro many times and handed out campaign materials. Hundreds and thousands of people specifically came up and took them. Those. We didn’t sell them on them, but people willingly went and took them themselves. We got acquainted with the program and said a lot of warm and good words. They even took it in packs - with motivation - at work I would distribute it to colleagues or relatives and friends... The police came up every day, checked the permit for campaigning, they told us - guys, we are all for you, drive away these snickering faces with a broom, let the communists restore order.
              And then it dawned on the AP that they had made a mistake and from there came the command to kill it. Immediately some fake accounts came out, some houses, that the collective farm was scamming him with apartments, etc. I think everyone remembers this smear campaign. Then, in the courts, all these cases fell apart, of course, but who cares, the elections ended a long time ago... The same cops who supported us yesterday said - we were ordered to drive you guys away, turn up and leave. I don't care about your permissions. Housing departments brought in hundreds of Tajiks to tear off stickers and propaganda in the districts... In short, they trampled under administrative resources and lies.
              After this, some of the staff in the AP lost their minds and they came to the conclusion that they would not allow any more sane candidates to participate in the elections.
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        3. -6
          12 October 2023 16: 31
          Quote from tsvetahaki
          But why the heck was it necessary to start from the level of the 17th century in building capitalism???

          How else? We already have communist accelerators, who did not care about the works of the founders, tried to speed up development and jump from feudalism to capitalism - they got socialist feudalism on the periphery of the USSR.

          It is impossible to start capitalism immediately from the level of Singapore in the 80s - for this you will have to go through all stages of development. In the case of the USSR, we had to start from the era of primitive accumulation of capital.
          1. +2
            12 October 2023 19: 36
            Quote: Alexey RA
            It is impossible to start capitalism immediately from the level of Singapore in the 80s - for this you will have to go through all stages of development. In the case of the USSR, we had to start from the era of primitive accumulation of capital.

            Cough cough. In fact, no Singapore-style development was planned. By the way, Sing in 45 was not the most comfortable place, and the current one is not quite heaven on earth. Although, of course, it depends on what you compare it with.
            1. +1
              13 October 2023 10: 20
              Quote: Negro
              Cough cough. In fact, no Singapore-style development was planned.

              Yeah... two strategies for Russia's development: short-term "And I would scribble a hundred rubles and then"and long-term"Milk and sell, and live over the hill". wink

              But you must admit that even if there was a development strategy, it would still not be possible to jump from the USSR to late capitalism. We already had wonderful dreamers who dreamed that they, smart and rich, would throw off the tsarist regime that was strangling Russia - and the Empire would quickly turn into Switzerland. As a result, they set a record for the speed with which power fell in love, reducing the territory controlled by the official authorities to several blocks of Petrograd in six months.
              1. +1
                13 October 2023 11: 40
                Quote: Alexey RA
                The Empire will quickly turn into Switzerland

                As one figure put it in the years under discussion, “We will not have Swedish socialism, we have too few Swedes.”

                Theoretically, it could have led to the leader, but as usual, no luck.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                two strategies for the development of Russia: short-term “I would scribble a hundred rubles and then go” and long-term “Milk and sell, and live over the hill”

                These are realistic risk assessments. Not even realistic enough. Surprisingly, the Motherland, which rose from its knees, managed to ruin the lives of even those of its sons who fled very far and with a very large bag 20 years ago.
                Quote: Alexey RA
                record for the speed of falling in love with power

                However, there is an opinion that the answer to the question “a fork in the eye” is crossed out “like now or the 90s?” the correct answer is not as simple as the questioners would like.

                For example, “the 90s, but specifically shoot you. And here you are. And every single one of them, simply based on the fact of the entry in the work book.”

                The weaker the government in Russia, the fewer adventures it will find for the population’s ass.
      2. +11
        12 October 2023 06: 38
        and where did the author see capitalism in the Russian expanses???...we are as far from it as we are from the moon...
        feudal-oligarchic system with the constant Ampirator at its head... this is what happened in the country during 31 years of its “evolution”...
        1. +2
          12 October 2023 08: 20
          No - real capitalism in its purest form, as it was in the 19th century, before the creation of the USSR. Read Dreiser, for example - there are sooo many painfully familiar features.
        2. +1
          12 October 2023 16: 36
          Quote: kepmor
          and where did the author see capital in the Russian expanses???

          Yes everywhere. We are just going all the way from the beginning and now we are somewhere at the level of the beginning of the last century. It’s just that everyone has already forgotten how just a hundred years ago, in the shining city on the hill, Ford strikers were shot with Tommy guns, and the miners waged a real guerrilla war with the private security companies of their owners and the state police.
          They say in Harlan County
          There are no neutrals there
          You'll either be a union man
          Or a thug for JH Blair
          ©
    2. +6
      12 October 2023 06: 32
      capitalism turned poor China into the first superpower
      And just as we serviced the pipe, we pray for it
      and the social system has nothing to do with it
      1. +7
        12 October 2023 11: 11
        Capitalism existed in China before 1949. Greatness you say? - this is when there are 40 million drug addicts. When the Americans, British, Japanese and other overseas devils do what they want, take what they want - and don’t say a word to them. And in each province - the local "king" and gopa - help to grab the stubs from the master's table. So greatness is rushing). So who really made China great? This is an inconvenient answer. Or wrong?
    3. +8
      12 October 2023 07: 53
      It's clear. You are still blissfully unaware of the nature and character of capitalism. Take political economy textbooks and study.
    4. -2
      13 October 2023 18: 47
      In fact, the Russians created their own version of capitalism modeled on the pictures of Western life that Soviet propaganda painted. They were told that the West is rampant crime, widespread corruption, an undisguised passion for profit, a multimillion-strong disenfranchised class of starving people and a bunch of evil, greedy capitalist swindlers who flout the law. Of course, even in the most difficult times the West did not remotely resemble such a picture, but the Russians built exactly this option for themselves.
  3. +17
    12 October 2023 04: 20
    .. the grin of bestial capitalism has become worse for Russia and its people than the invasion of Hitler’s “blond beasts” ..

    An absolutely correct remark... Recently, more terrible and ominous figures of losses have often come across: The total losses from the destruction of the USSR reached the figure of $200 trillion, and now they are already publishing that the total debts of the United States, that is, as state debts. The US debt and all types of borrowing have already reached the same $200 trillion. An amazing coincidence that has yet to be realized...
    1. +15
      12 October 2023 05: 29
      Quote: venaya
      The total losses from the destruction of the USSR reached 200 trillion

      The country and its people have lost so much. But all this was acquired by a small group of scoundrels who were standing next to a drunkard-prezikp
      1. +6
        12 October 2023 08: 14
        Quote: Dutchman Michel
        But all this was acquired by a small group of scoundrels who were standing next to a drunkard-prezikp
        Why are you all appealing to a drunk? Most of today's billionaires came after him.
        1. +1
          14 October 2023 14: 19
          It’s just that a dead Borka is more obvious than a Vovochka.
  4. +17
    12 October 2023 04: 54
    The grin of bestial capitalism has become worse for Russia and its people than the invasion of Hitler’s “blond beasts.” Russia collapsed to a lower level of social development (in some places even to the point of new feudalism), and experienced economic and demographic catastrophes
    I caught myself thinking that for once I agree with the author on almost everything...
    1. +8
      12 October 2023 05: 59
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The country and its people have lost so much. But all this was acquired by a small group of scoundrels who stood near the drunk

      Persons interested in the defeat of big Russia would not trust the local “shanthrope” with such super serious finances; this little thing was happy with even fractions of a percent of the amount of the loot. The main players in such a large-scale destruction of the country still live in different continents and have long ago spent this amount in countless projects around the world. Actually, the same thing, but on a much smaller scale, happened after 1917, the whole similar story has been repeating itself for more than a century, we just need to more carefully study all the known similar cases of which have actually already been studied and there are really just a lot of them, but we are not very accustomed to noticing all this and we listen to all sorts of stupid fairy tales that we are all fed around the clock and on all channels, right down to the iron..
  5. +13
    12 October 2023 05: 04
    For such an article against capitalism, Matvienko will prescribe a bucket of turpentine with needles to the author... as much as possible.
    I'm wondering if communist China is capitalism or socialism? what
    Perhaps only in Cuba has socialism been preserved in its classical form.
    In Russia, state-oligarchic capitalism in its pure form was formed.
    There was recently a report in the media that the oligarch Friedman, robbed to the bone by the Anglo-Saxons, returned to Russia... I sense that with the arrival of these relocants, a new debauchery will begin in our country with the privatization of the remaining state property.
    This fruit was also sponsored by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and I somehow don’t understand why the FSB and Putin don’t touch it.
    1. +11
      12 October 2023 06: 27
      This fruit was also sponsored by the Ukrainian Armed Forces and I somehow don’t understand why the FSB and Putin don’t touch it. Maybe he shared it with whoever needed it at the time, but they don’t touch it.
    2. +5
      12 October 2023 10: 51
      Perhaps only in Cuba has socialism been preserved in its classical form.
      Tell me, in which works of K. Marx, F. Engels, V.I. Lenin classical socialism is described? Maybe Stalin described it, derived a formula, here are the terms, here we add them up and the result is socialism. And below is an axiom note (i.e. a truth that does not require proof)
    3. +4
      12 October 2023 17: 58
      And who said that there must be either capitalism or socialism? China, by its example, has proven that it is possible to combine both, as long as it benefits the country. China has elements of both. But they are led by communists who did not cling to dogma, but did it better. The USSR could have once followed this path if other people, rather than Gorbachev and his team, had come to power. But what happened happened.
  6. +18
    12 October 2023 05: 52
    It seems to me that more than economically, we have lost morally. But most of all, we have lost respect in the world, because for the last 30 years we were still respected rather for our Soviet heritage, for the army, for our power, for our size, and for our character, but after all, these are Russians.. And now? And now we are losing the last respect of the world, but there is hope that society is still alive, the same guys in the Northern Military District are now fighting for this very respect, although some guys in the Kremlin and in all sorts of thoughts and councils there, with some actions and phrases, are trying in every possible way to belittle this respect or remove it, and this should be punished, but so far, unfortunately, this has not happened, like I didn’t do it, nor did I say, oh we were hacked, oh we were deceived.... It’s just a Village of Fools in the middle of the capital...
    1. +5
      12 October 2023 07: 31
      Quote from turembo
      It seems to me ...... most of all we have lost respect in the world, .................... like I didn’t do it, nor did I say, oh we were hacked, oh we were deceived.... Just a Village of Fools in the middle of the capital...

      It doesn’t seem to you, this is so. And staff members and others spoke openly about this. ---- what now, sit quietly, forget about your former place in the world and don’t even dare to think.....
      And what’s interesting is that in recent years, how many times has it happened that if only one of the servants of the rich - artists, scribblers, athletes - should be promoted higher, brought closer, so to speak, or even given honorary titles..... soon they will spit in public, loudly at titles, at benefactors and at the country and run over the hill, continuing to spit guano.... That is, these thieving slaves, who have enriched themselves immeasurably, do not respect the country and the benefactor,...... how is that? And it should be a lesson for the gentlemen and the benefactor, and this is repeated how many times request
      1. -13
        12 October 2023 07: 57
        Quote: Reptiloid
        it is so indeed

        And in what countries, Dima, have you been and learned this from your communication experience? Interesting... I know from my own experience and the experience of my relatives, who have been everywhere and communicated with whomever, that... no one has stopped respecting us. Everyone knows that... we have “not tidied up”, but we have countless wealth, and an income tax of 16% is “such happiness” - “how lucky you Russians are!”
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          12 October 2023 09: 18
          Quote: kalibr
          Quote: Reptiloid
          it is so indeed
          ...You .... learned this from experience ....

          I drew this conclusion solely from the responses of senior officials of the Russian Federation, in response to what was happening, to the actions of other countries. To a greater extent, from the words of Sergei Lavrov and Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin. You can also get acquainted with the words of the English Charles, when he was a prince, and with the words of Biden, and with the words of the Poles-presidents and non-Balts.... and other assorted foreign
          What countries have I been to? crying crying Unfortunately, only in one nearby country. But then, I went there regularly, since my school years. If before 2014, then ~4~6 times a year. After the age of 14, it became much less frequent, and with the onset of Covid it stopped altogether. So, I don’t know what’s going on in Finland now. In general, before the Finns understood their selfish interests well and treated them with respect.
          1. -12
            12 October 2023 09: 43
            Quote: Reptiloid
            In general, the Finns used to understand their selfish interests well and treated them with respect.

            You see...When I told the head of a small Danish company selling computers about my dacha, his mouth opened wider than his mitten. "This is life!" We need to look more at ordinary people. And the top ones... they will say... they will take it inexpensively.
            1. +1
              12 October 2023 18: 29
              When I told the head of a small Danish company selling computers about my dacha, his mouth opened wider than his mitten.

              Once in Czechoslovakia, our factory group crossed paths with a couple of English pensioners who were completely amazed to learn that, for example, an employee of a Soviet factory with five children could afford a tourist trip to Europe and had an apartment and a house (that the apartment was a two-room apartment in a Khrushchev-era building with a leaking ceiling, and the house is my parents’ adobe wreck in the village, we kept silent). The British left in full confidence that Soviet workers lived much better than the English ones.
          2. +3
            12 October 2023 10: 01
            what's going on in Finland now?
            For 3 days, buy grub for 4 adults (no frills - meat, vegetables, eggs, bread, etc.) - 230 euros. Even in England it will be at least a third cheaper.
        2. +6
          12 October 2023 14: 46
          You should go to Rossotrudnichestvo - such speeches are common there. True, all the seats are occupied by girls in short skirts (Milokhin fans, don’t get excited) and retired Foreign Ministry officials. But, they say, a vacancy will soon appear - to open the barrier.
      2. +6
        12 October 2023 08: 00
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Quote from turembo
        It seems to me ...... most of all we have lost respect in the world, .................... like I didn’t do it, nor did I say, oh we were hacked, oh we were deceived.... Just a Village of Fools in the middle of the capital...

        It doesn’t seem to you, this is so. And staff members and others spoke openly about this. ---- what now, sit quietly, forget about your former place in the world and don’t even dare to think.....
        And what’s interesting is that in recent years, how many times has it happened that if only one of the servants of the rich - artists, scribblers, athletes - should be promoted higher, brought closer, so to speak, or even given honorary titles..... soon they will spit in public, loudly at titles, at benefactors and at the country and run over the hill, continuing to spit guano.... That is, these thieving slaves, who have enriched themselves immeasurably, do not respect the country and the benefactor,...... how is that? And it should be a lesson for the gentlemen and the benefactor, and this is repeated how many times request

        Among those who escaped and “spit on the country” are not only servants and actors, but also Arkady Volozh, the founder of Yandex. Now he has begun to openly criticize Russian policies (but that’s okay), and also stated that he helped hundreds of qualified programmers and engineers involved in Yandex’s international projects move from Russia (but this is serious). It was Volozh and these engineers who were supposed to build the “beautiful Russia of the future,” but Russia lost them. Or the same Pavel Durov who, with all his eccentricity, created with his own hands one of the most successful businesses on the RuNet (VK), and then, thanks to Telegram, became one of the richest immigrants from Russia. And he also opposes the policies of the Russian government. And these people cannot be called “thieving slaves.”
        1. -1
          12 October 2023 08: 39
          Unsuccessful examples, Volozh and Durov are simply cunning businessmen, not inventors or creators, gathering around themselves a team of rootless cosmopolitans - digitalizers. Gref and one mayor of a huge city are, in principle, from the same cohort of supporters of digital slavery and the all-seeing eye of AI.
          1. -11
            12 October 2023 08: 43
            Quote: Vladimir80
            Volozh and Durov are just cunning businessmen

            And “Vova80” is just a troll on a training manual. That's all the difference between them Yes
          2. +2
            12 October 2023 08: 56
            Quote: Vladimir80
            Unsuccessful examples, Volozh and Durov are simply cunning businessmen, not inventors or creators, gathering around themselves a team of rootless cosmopolitans - digitalizers.

            Naturally. The task of a businessman is not to invent something, but to take some idea or invention and launch it to the masses of his clients. And along with these “cunning businessmen” their teams of engineers are leaving.
            1. +3
              12 October 2023 09: 32
              Quote from Escariot
              The task of a businessman is not to invent something, but to take some idea or invention and launch it to the masses of his clients.
              Well, the idea just might have occurred to Volozh and Durov. It’s just that the implementation of such complex projects was naturally carried out by teams of engineers
          3. +3
            12 October 2023 16: 22
            Quote: Vladimir80
            Unsuccessful examples... .

            A good example is Chubais. Everything is “like water off a duck’s back” to him.
        2. +3
          12 October 2023 10: 20
          one of the most successful businesses in RuNet (VK), and then at the expense of Telegram
          A copy of the face book (they even tried to sue him) and an anonymous chat beloved by drug dealers and pedophiles are not so great businesses on the scale of necessity, let’s put it that way. A shipyard or poultry farm is more needed.
          1. +2
            12 October 2023 10: 59
            Quote: Bolt Cutter
            one of the most successful businesses in RuNet (VK), and then at the expense of Telegram
            A copy of the face book (they even tried to sue him) and an anonymous chat beloved by drug dealers and pedophiles are not so great businesses on the scale of necessity, let’s put it that way. A shipyard or poultry farm is more needed.

            It’s clear that this is all a copy of the face book and an anonymous chat for drug dealers (as if this is something bad!?), However, to sell this copy of the face book, hundreds of qualified specialists are needed. In exactly the same way, these specialists will be able to make a copy of the Ukrainian “nettle” or implement encrypted data transfer via the Internet between departments.
            What about shipyards: they exist, for example, the Admiralty Shipyards, which constantly fail to meet contract deadlines, or the Zvezda shipyard, which produces tankers at a price 2 times more expensive than their South Korean partners from Samsung. Accordingly, if you give customers free rein, they will never go to buy from the Zvezda plant.
            At the same time, people use a copy of the face book and a site for pedophiles purely voluntarily, but buyers of products from our shipyards have to be forced into these shipyards under pressure. So which products do people need more?
            1. +1
              12 October 2023 11: 06
              So which products do people need more?
              Without telegrams and the miracle of VKontakte, I feel quite excellent, let’s put it this way. As for what is more expensive at Russian shipyards, let Durov create competition for them and force them to lower prices. And he fights for foreign contracts. By the way, why didn’t his super coders create encrypted data transmission algorithms and nettles for Russia?
              1. +1
                12 October 2023 11: 29
                Quote: Bolt Cutter
                So which products do people need more?
                Without telegrams and the miracle of VKontakte, I feel quite excellent, let’s put it this way. As for what is more expensive at Russian shipyards, let Durov create competition for them and force them to lower prices. And he fights for foreign contracts. By the way, why didn’t his super coders create encrypted data transmission algorithms and nettles for Russia?

                So Durov openly said that the same VK was squeezed out of him by the special services and with such guarantees of property rights and even his own life, he would not work in Russia. And if this is true for IT, then perhaps it is also true for shipbuilding.
                Well, the fact that its employees do not create encrypted data transmission algorithms for Russia, so perhaps they do not create them specifically for Russia, but create them for others. Moreover, Pavel Durov himself has an extremely negative attitude towards the North Military District and his support for Ukraine.
                1. +5
                  12 October 2023 11: 42
                  Pavel Durov has an extremely negative attitude towards the North Military District and his support for Ukraine.
                  Imagine an Israeli startup now supporting Palestinians Yes In the USA or England, you could get punched in the face for supporting Iraq and/or Afghanistan during the wars there. And even more so if Zuckerberg said that he supports the enemies of the United States, then even if he kept the face book, it would be only nominally. And if I had not given the access codes to the messenger to the intelligence services, I would have been in an American prison.
                  I wonder if Durov was in Ukraine at all?
                  1. -3
                    12 October 2023 13: 00
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    Pavel Durov has an extremely negative attitude towards the North Military District and his support for Ukraine.
                    Imagine an Israeli startup now supporting Palestinians Yes In the USA or England, you could get punched in the face for supporting Iraq and/or Afghanistan during the wars there. And even more so if Zuckerberg said that he supports the enemies of the United States, then even if he kept the face book, it would be only nominally. And if I had not given the access codes to the messenger to the intelligence services, I would have been in an American prison.
                    I wonder if Durov was in Ukraine at all?

                    Durov was given the VC to the SVO. Those. his negative opinion about the policies of the Russian government was formed before the outbreak of hostilities, which he does not support at all. And there is no need to talk about “getting in the face” here, these are all fairy tales, especially in the southern states of the USA. There, if you hit the dacha in the face, you can get a bullet in the stomach in return. Moreover, Durov was pressed not by some “patriots of Russia”, but by the special services. So these are all your fairy tales.
                    Whether I was in Ukraine or not, I don’t know. Now his interviews are not published in the Russian press, and foreign sites with his interviews are blocked by Roskomnadzor, and I’m too lazy to install a VPN.
                    1. +2
                      12 October 2023 13: 04
                      So these are all your fairy tales.
                      I have discussed this issue with the Americans and the British more than once or twice, so fairy tales are just your pearls.
                      There, if you hit the dacha in the face, you can get a bullet in the stomach in return.
                      Except in the black ghetto.
                      It seems to me that your horizons are limited to information from Russian-language pseudo-liberal resources.
                      Whether I was in Ukraine or not, I don’t know.
                      Delight in Ukrainian Europeanness and democracy can be cured by a 48-hour visit thereYes .
                  2. -1
                    12 October 2023 19: 45
                    You are lying, as usual.
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    especially if Zuckerberg said that he supports the enemies of the United States

                    The main enemy of the current US authorities is damned Trump. Which is openly supported by the owner of one of the largest social networks. By the way, it is mainly the European Union that is fighting with this social network, as well as with Telegram.
                    Quote: Bolt Cutter
                    If I hadn’t given the security services access codes to the messenger, I would have been in an American prison.

                    Apple once made a national show out of just such a case - it refused to give the FBI access to the “terrorist’s” phone. Nowadays, that same lover of enemies of the United States pulls out stories in boxes of how the previous leadership collaborated with the FBI - and everyone understands that the prospect of the previous leadership going to an American prison for such tricks is not 100% (alas) but not 0 either. unheard of for Russia - theoretically, even the leadership of the FBI (very theoretically) could engage in such a practice.
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                      1. 0
                        13 October 2023 07: 52
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        So comparing Trump to the Taliban is a little inappropriate.

                        Of course. The Taliban never personally threatened the country's best people. So he always didn't care. He just turned up when the “cool” Bush urgently needed to show his “coolness,” and the States were not yet ready for an attack on Iraq.

                        Well, there were any number of discussions about the fact that the “war on terror” is stupidity and/or a crime, at any level. Mr. Blair was actually dragged to court.
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Are you still offended?

                        I don't like leftist dictatorships, you see. If the gravity of the EU in the 90s was able to pull many countries of Eastern Europe to the side of normality (the “normal development” of a country after a left-wing dictatorship is not democracy, but a right-wing dictatorship), then the current EU has degraded towards the PRC and has not much in common with normality. Of course, China is much further along this path, but the path itself is the same.

                        Weak countries between two great dictatorships have virtually no chance. Like the small countries of Eastern Europe in the 30s of the last century.

                        Hello to Russian lovers of a multipolar world.
                      2. +3
                        13 October 2023 09: 36
                        The current EU has degraded towards China and does not have much in common with normality.
                        How many years have you lived in EU countries? laughing ? Learn the language, earn money there, communicate with the indigenous people?
                      3. 0
                        13 October 2023 11: 21
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        Learn the language, earn money there, communicate with the indigenous people?

                        Barnaul, Altai region?

                        So-so argument. I remember that your lyrical hero, together with a British woman, left the EU (but at the same time has one of the most agenda-conscious governments in Europe), and on his voyages to European resorts he meets exclusively Ukrainian refugees. So your expertise on European issues also leaves much to be desired - even if you leave your prospective employer out of the equation
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                      5. -2
                        15 October 2023 11: 13
                        Quote: Bolt Cutter
                        all your knowledge about European realities comes from the media

                        All knowledge about any realities, with the exception of one’s home and one’s professional field, for any person comes from the media or other suggestive institutions, for example, the state education system.

                        Which does not automatically make them true or false.

                        In particular, returning to the topic from which you switched to personalities, the fight against tweeter is mainly carried out personally by Monsieur Breton, and the fight against the cart is carried out by the German Gestapo, or whatever it is called now. Constitutional Protection Service, sort of.
            2. 0
              12 October 2023 13: 36
              these specialists will be able to make a copy of the Ukrainian “nettle” or implement encrypted data transfer via the Internet between departments.

              they can’t, but why? - because I already wrote above... more precisely, they can, but their “worldview” simply does not allow them to work for the country... well, the peculiarities of working with “boots” also do not attract them...
  7. +3
    12 October 2023 06: 23
    Only 8% earn or receive a per capita income of over 100 thousand rubles per month. This is the real bourgeoisie.
    those. am I a bourgeois??? fool It would do well for the author to familiarize himself with class theory before writing this!!! I am a proletarian, as it were. And a proletarian is not necessarily a factory worker, if anything! (By the way, I also worked in different industries at one time)
    1. -10
      12 October 2023 07: 53
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus (Vladimir)

      Vladimir! I recently wrote an article about a welder and a crane operator. The first has a salary of about 200 thousand, the second 150. There are advertisements all over the city - we’ll hire you - the starting (!!!) rate is 65-75 thousand rubles... An IT specialist I know only gets 150 thousand. But... they have There are 8 people in the department! And this is not the only such department in Penza. So where the author got all this data from... is unknown. Our salary would be 8% in Penza alone!
      1. +3
        12 October 2023 13: 26
        So where the author got all this data from... is unknown. Our salary would be 8% in Penza alone!
        I won’t say anything about the statistics for the country, of course. But here in Nakhodka such salaries are quite rare. And in St. Petersburg (where I lived for 7 years but now remotely) for vacancies on Head Hunter, even in the IT sector, this doesn’t happen often, to be honest. This is to be as objective as possible.
        I picked on the author of the article for something else. Namely, what he categorizes according to the amount of monthly income. It's like the notorious "middle class". Many people also mistakenly rank it in terms of income. But this is exactly “class”. Albeit average. Who is interested, google it so as not to “get into a puddle” like the author of the article
    2. +3
      12 October 2023 08: 02
      And a proletarian is not necessarily a factory worker, if anything!
      Absolutely true. It’s just a pity that not all proletarians realize that they are proletarians.
  8. +9
    12 October 2023 06: 32
    There are things worse than business losses. This is the loss of the identity of peoples. Not long ago I looked at life in different countries. And what is surprising. The youth of the countries I saw are firmly attached to the American type of communication. And the old people, in order to keep up, are joining these habits. Anyone who does not want to do this is considered a backward person. But most importantly, the habit of being oneself has been lost. Some kind of race to imitate.
    1. -6
      12 October 2023 07: 03
      Quote: Nikolai Malyugin
      There are things worse than business losses. This is the loss of the identity of peoples. Not long ago I looked at life in different countries. And what is surprising. The youth of the countries I saw are firmly attached to the American type of communication. And the old people, in order to keep up, are joining these habits. Anyone who does not want to do this is considered a backward person. But most importantly, the habit of being oneself has been lost. Some kind of race to imitate.

      So this is a natural process of consolidation. Muscovy destroyed the original culture of Novgorod and it became one of the regions of Russia. In exactly the same way, during the expansion, the Tatar and Finno-Ugric cultures were destroyed. Most Mordovians are more likely to associate themselves with Russians than with Mordovians, although the Mordovians themselves are several different tribes with different languages. Now there is a process of formation of a super-civilization. And because The West in general and the English world in particular dominate economically and culturally (they produce more gaming and entertainment content, they introduce innovations faster in production and science, etc.), then it is Western culture that will be the basis for this super-civilization.
      1. 0
        12 October 2023 16: 42
        Quote from Escariot
        So this is a natural process of consolidation. Muscovy destroyed the original culture of Novgorod and it became one of the regions of Russia. In exactly the same way, during the expansion, the Tatar and Finno-Ugric cultures were destroyed.

        Yeah... you can also remember Germany, which 150 years ago was a conglomerate of independent states with their own dialects, which had diverged so much that they were already approaching languages. smile
    2. -7
      12 October 2023 07: 48
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      This is the loss of the identity of peoples.

      Recently I was lucky enough to attend two weddings at once. It’s better to be on one and watch the other nearby. There were 10 people on one. Everything is in Western traditions. Simple elegant clothes of the bride, no drunken screams... At the second - 30 people - and oh, the bride in a dress like a sheaf, but on the way it was creepy and she told everyone about it, the guests... it’s clear that someone got so drunk that he fell nose into the salad, then they sorted things out, in a word, in the best traditions of a rural wedding, which I also observed. We got drunk on the first one, and in the end we all got drunk. It got to the point that the waiters started saying at the second wedding: “How good you are! I wish it were always like this.” One can only rejoice at such a loss of originality!
    3. +5
      12 October 2023 16: 39
      Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
      There are things worse than business losses. This is the loss of the identity of peoples.

      There was one country that supported the identity of its peoples - often at the expense of the “titular nation”. Ended badly.
      1. -1
        13 October 2023 04: 48
        Quote: Alexey RA

        There was one country that supported the identity of its peoples - often at the expense of the “titular nation”. Ended badly.

        You are mistaken, it was the “titular nation” that first ended the country, and now it itself ends.
        That way it will be more accurate.. laughing

        There was one nation in the world that had troubles not like everyone else - from thieves and traitors, but from “maintaining identity”, from the State Planning Committee, from the fact that Marx wrote a book in the 19th century......

        You see, it happens that the psychological trauma caused by serfdom can lead a nation to death not immediately... But because of long-term consequences.

        Other nations, even in the Republic of Ingushetia, did not allow such savage serfdom, although they lived in poverty... But they retained a normal psyche.
        1. +1
          13 October 2023 10: 31
          Quote: ivan2022
          Other nations, even in the Republic of Ingushetia, did not allow such wild serfdom, although they lived in poverty....

          Who are the others?
          Quote: ivan2022
          You are mistaken, it was the “titular nation” that first ended the country, and now it itself ends.

          The titular nation was helped in this. For, as the great Lenin bequeathed to us, the Russian people must pay and repent.
          Therefore, internationalism on the part of the oppressing or the so-called “great” nation (although great only by its violence, great only as great as the Sordimord) should consist not only in observing the formal equality of nations, but also in such inequality that would compensate the oppressing nation , the nation is large, the inequality that actually develops in life.

          And at the same time remember that every Russian is a chauvinist, a scoundrel and a rapist, and the collective image of a truly Russian person is a tsarist bureaucrat.
          a truly Russian person, a Great Russian chauvinist, in essence, a scoundrel and a rapist, which is a typical Russian bureaucrat
  9. +14
    12 October 2023 07: 21
    Quote: tralflot1832
    More than 100000 rubles per month

    They meant per capita income.
    That is, you, your wife, son and daughter should have an income of 100 thousand rubles each. per person.
    If the children do not work yet, then you and your wife should have a salary of 200 thousand rubles each, etc.

    In some regions, people take out microloans to buy a kettle (kudos to Nabiuliina, who explained in the Duma their “importance” for the people).

    In general, enjoy life as long as you have a normal job and an income that is slightly higher than that of the bulk of the people.
    Everything can end suddenly.
  10. -7
    12 October 2023 07: 40
    free education (the best in the world, or at the level of leaders)
    I just don’t understand how people educated by the best education in the world didn’t understand that capitalism is bad, that heaven doesn’t shine for them there, that not everyone will go there as if it were their own home and live as before. They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.
    1. +4
      12 October 2023 08: 32
      I just don’t understand how people educated by the best education in the world didn’t understand that capitalism is bad, that heaven doesn’t shine for them there, that not everyone will go there as if it were their own home and live as before. They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.
      Vyacheslav, that’s who it was written and said by - the party elite, broadcasting from special distribution centers and building communism for themselves personally. And the theory of socialism was abandoned after the last work of Joseph the Terrible (Economic problems of socialism, 1952). Well, “what has grown has grown” (opretta Mister X)
      1. -6
        12 October 2023 09: 33
        Quote: Aviator_
        party elite, broadcasting from special distributors and building communism for herself personally

        Sergei, how many times do I have to repeat that teachers of the history of the CPSU at regional technical institutes did not belong to the party elite. Please make a note in your memory. The only privilege that applies ONLY to associate professors is treatment at the OK CPSU special clinic. That's all! If this is “communism for yourself,” then... I didn’t have time to use it. He became an assistant professor only in 1995. As for the upper elite, weren’t they the children of workers and peasants? Were not in the Pioneers, were not in the Komsomol members, in the party again... Was this elite from Martians?
        1. +4
          12 October 2023 15: 00
          There were tons of privileges. Let's take the Armed Forces - a political instructor in each company! The political officer in each regiment or separate battalion! The head of the political department is in each division. From this level, this is already the nomenclature of the CPSU Central Committee. Which meant that the commander could easily ruin the career of anyone in the formation, including the commander. At the same time, he himself was responsible for “agitation and propaganda.” How many lecturers were there in the country? What about military-political schools? Even the construction battalion had its own! Where they trained club managers, entertainers and accordion players with officer's shoulder straps! I served in the army for many years, in different garrisons and even different branches of the military. I saw hundreds, if not thousands, of political workers. Only 2-3 people left a normal memory of themselves. The report is finished.
          1. 0
            12 October 2023 15: 04
            Quote: Kasatik
            I saw hundreds, if not thousands, of political workers.

            And in our department of history of the CPSU, two teachers were former army political workers. In general, normal people. A little stubborn. But without much fanaticism, I would say. Received a military pension + for the assistant professor position.
        2. +1
          12 October 2023 18: 37
          Sergei, how many times do I have to repeat that teachers of the history of the CPSU at regional technical institutes did not belong to the party elite.
          Vyacheslav. why did you take it personally? I’m talking about the elite, but you were an ordinary teacher at a university. The elite sat in city committees, regional committees and higher. Here I am talking about them, who had to develop an ideology and introduce it to the masses. And you are a simple performer.
      2. -7
        12 October 2023 09: 35
        Quote: Aviator_
        And the theory of socialism was abandoned after the last work of Joseph the Terrible (Economic problems of socialism, 1952).

        I wasn’t born then to abandon it. It happened without me!
        1. 0
          12 October 2023 18: 45
          I wasn’t born then to abandon it. It happened without me!
          But Marxism-Leninism was also created before you were born. The claims are not against you, but against the ideological department of the CPSU Central Committee, which did nothing in terms of ideology, getting off with the ancient incantations of the classics, spoken on a different occasion and at a different time. The only complaint I have about you is that they really couldn’t find another specialty other than this one?
    2. +6
      12 October 2023 09: 46
      I just don’t understand how people educated by the best education in the world didn’t understand that capitalism is bad, that heaven doesn’t shine for them there, that not everyone will go there as if it were their own home and live as before. They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.

      It doesn't matter how they vote! It's important who counts! (With)
    3. +2
      12 October 2023 16: 50
      Quote: kalibr
      I just don’t understand how people educated by the best education in the world didn’t understand that capitalism is bad, that heaven doesn’t shine for them there, that not everyone will go there as if it were their own home and live as before. They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.

      It's simple: people educated by the best education in the world, they simply stopped believing what their staff propagandists were telling them. For they transferred the gap between propaganda and real life in the USSR and abroad too.
      You won’t argue that endless mantras about fulfilling and exceeding plans and the steady increase in the well-being of Soviet citizens go very poorly with coupons of the late 70s, sausage trains and total shortages. And the image of “servants of the people” built by propaganda is with special distribution centers, government-owned transport for personal purposes, and the houses of these very servants filled with shortages.
      The people and the party are united, only the shops are different. ©

      It was only later that people realized that:
      Everything that propagandists told us about socialism turned out to be a lie, and everything that they said about capitalism turned out to be true.
      1. +2
        12 October 2023 18: 41
        very poorly combined with coupons of the late 70s, sausage trains and total shortages.
        Everything is correct, except that it started in the late 80s
        1. 0
          13 October 2023 10: 41
          Quote: Aviator_
          Everything is correct, except that it started in the late 80s

          I, of course, understand that outside the territories of the special and first category of life supply there was no wink , but sausage trains and coupons are exactly the end of the 70s.
          Krasnovishersk November 1978
          Due to the difficulties that have arisen in providing food, in many regions and districts of the USSR it is practiced to issue such products as meat, butter, eggs, sausages on coupons, which are issued by housing and communal services or house managements on a monthly basis.
          We ask you to consider and implement such a trading system in Krasnovishersk at the session.

          Krasnovishersk November 24, 1978
          The Krasnovishersky District Executive Committee is sending you a collective statement from the workers of the Uralalmaz mine, in which they ask to establish coupon sales of products.
          The district executive committee proposes to work with the authors of the application and explain that the introduction of a coupon system is simply impossible.
          Meat has not been sold for a long time due to insufficient production and an increase in the purchasing power of the population.

          And here is the Letter from the Deputy Head of the Trade Department of the Perm Regional Executive Committee I.N. Volkov to the Perm Regional Committee of the CPSU about the results of the audit of the Chusovsky auction (Perm April 11, 1980)
          The system of selling meat to the public using coupons was introduced in February 1977. Standards for the sale of meat and poultry are established depending on resources.

          In 1979, with a stock of meat of 453 tons, 240 tons were sold to the population; 60 tons for war veterans and diabetics; 153 tons were spent on social services. In January February, with a meat limit of 80 tons, sales using coupons amounted to 70 tons at 0,5 kg per person per month.

          In 1979, 265 tons of animal oil were sold to the population, with a stock of 337 tons. In January, oil was not traded due to lack of resources. In February-March, 30 tons were sold using coupons, with a limit of 37 tons of 200 grams. per person per month.

          A wonderful picture: not only is the sale based on coupons, but it’s also not always possible to purchase them due to lack of resources.

          In other cities, a system of selling goods by registration was practiced - for example, in 1983 in Kirovsk (Apatity) they sold meat this way.
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        1. +3
          13 October 2023 04: 28
          They die and die, but they manage!

          Yes, my friend, it’s just like from a propaganda poster
          anti-Soviet poster gone... laughing
          1. 0
            13 October 2023 07: 22
            Quote: ivan2022
            Yes, my friend, it’s just like from a propaganda poster
            anti-Soviet poster gone...

            Yes, I strongly dislike leftist dictatorships. Even right-wing dictatorships look less ugly against their background.
            Quote: ivan2022
            They die and die

            Poor demographic dynamics did not emerge under capitalism and are typical for any European country. Well, in the PRC, where the good government also committed a little genocide, things are even worse.
    4. 0
      13 October 2023 05: 21
      Quote: kalibr

      I just don’t understand how people educated by the best education in the world didn’t understand that capitalism is bad, that heaven doesn’t shine for them there, that not everyone will go there as if it were their own home and live as before. They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.

      Not for future use! Some dancers are hampered not only by their education, but also by their oil and gas fields....

      There is an empirical rule since antiquity: only those who have 7 generations of free ancestors can be fully free.

      And if it is not fulfilled, then the presence of the Law is not enough for such people. They also need an additional “good Master”, who will force this Law to be fulfilled.

      Then there is no Master, no Law.
      And if there is no Law, there is no full-fledged statehood.
  11. +5
    12 October 2023 08: 05
    I remembered the slogan: who, if not Putin.
  12. +8
    12 October 2023 08: 08
    [b
    ]Now we are already on the verge of a state and civilizational catastrophe according to the scenario of 1917 or 1991.
    [/b]If a disaster occurred in October 1917, i.e. everything is in dust, then how did such a power as the USSR appear? Let me note that during the years of the first five-year plan more was done than during the entire reign of the Romanovs. And during the 5 years of democratic rule, from 1991 to 1996, the country was led to default.
  13. +2
    12 October 2023 08: 57
    Capitalism has become worse for Russia than World War II
    The headline is loud, but does not quite reflect the essence of the events of that time. It would be more correct to characterize that time as: Consequences of the unconditional surrender of the Gorbachev regime in the Cold War.
  14. +2
    12 October 2023 09: 14
    Quote: Stirbjorn
    Quote: Vita VKO
    Remember what kind of information dirt poured on all channels on the only candidate from the Communist Party of the Russian Federation, Grudinka, in the 2018 elections.
    Moreover, as soon as they realized that he was the only real candidate, and not just another parsley, against the background of which, VVP was the only sane one. At first, even Soloviev treated him favorably

    That’s normal, a pure capitalist, a communist candidate...
    1. +2
      12 October 2023 15: 03
      A communist is someone who wears bast shoes and earflaps? If you take a closer look at those in the AP and the State Duma, you won’t even find millionaires (in dollars) there. They don't take poor people there.
  15. +8
    12 October 2023 09: 27
    Author, are you serious about the fact that all these losses we have listed are from capitalism, and not from robbery by the winner of the Cold War? We are a colony for 30 years already. Is the “Russian” central bank subordinate to the Russian government? And who did the oligarch officials appointed by American advisers serve (and even still serve)? At least a little aware of how almost for nothingDid the multi-billion dollar resources accumulated during the Soviet period go to the states? (Nuclear fuel alone is worth it... the robbery of Russia ensured US nuclear energy for many years...)
    1. +3
      12 October 2023 11: 08
      Quote: NAF-NAF
      Author, are you serious about the fact that all these losses we have listed are from capitalism, and not from robbery by the winner of the Cold War? We are a colony for 30 years already. Is the “Russian” central bank subordinate to the Russian government? And who did the oligarch officials appointed by American advisers serve (and even still serve)? At least a little aware of how almost for nothingDid the multi-billion dollar resources accumulated during the Soviet period go to the states? (Nuclear fuel alone is worth it... the robbery of Russia ensured US nuclear energy for many years...)

      Isn't the Central Bank subordinate to the popularly elected parliament? Every 5 years, the President personally submits his candidates to the board of directors of the Central Bank for consideration by Parliament, and they approve or disapprove these candidates. Or do you want to say that our entire parliament and the President personally are proteges of American “advisers”?
      1. -7
        12 October 2023 13: 18
        you want to say that our entire parliament and the President personally are proteges of American “advisers”

        what do you think? is it really not visible? There are, of course, individual personalities among the deputies who only confirm the general rule....
        1. -5
          12 October 2023 13: 21
          Quote: Vladimir80
          you want to say that our entire parliament and the President personally are proteges of American “advisers”

          what do you think? is it really not visible? There are, of course, individual personalities among the deputies who only confirm the general rule....

          Ay-yay-yay, vova... ay-yay-yay... thick, buddy, thick request laughing
        2. -2
          12 October 2023 17: 55
          Quote: Vladimir80
          you want to say that our entire parliament and the President personally are proteges of American “advisers”

          what do you think? is it really not visible? There are, of course, individual personalities among the deputies who only confirm the general rule....

          Hmm, I prefer not to think at all. When you think about it, it becomes completely sad.
        3. -2
          13 October 2023 10: 43
          Quote: Vladimir80

          what do you think? is it really not visible? There are, of course, individual personalities among the deputies who only confirm the general rule....

          It is so, the White gentleman is bad, and the Red one was not sugar either....... I think maybe that’s why the West gave us such people?

          Or because we ourselves, as they say, “have developmental disabilities”? I’m not saying anything, there are simply no other logical explanations.
  16. +3
    12 October 2023 09: 41
    All this has long been known. There's just nothing that can be done.
    Imperialism, irreplaceable Edros and clans, zombification of the population, “small victorious wars” at the borders, rapidly growing rich oligarchs and dispersal of the opposition.
    A classic, once described by the Bolsheviks.
  17. +6
    12 October 2023 11: 23
    Current capitalism in Russia of the late 19th and early 20th centuries is a rotten product, richly seasoned with elements of restraint, spirituality and other “spices” to remove the smell.
  18. +8
    12 October 2023 12: 26
    According to the Goskomstat forecast from 1990, more than 2023 million people could live in the RSFSR by 172. Currently, 146 million people live in the Russian Federation (without new regions). That is, the loss of population is 26 million people.

    Yesterday Rosstat made a new forecast, by the way.
    Taking into account the official importation of Central Asian Russians at approximately 500K per year and the rate at which they are giving birth to children, by 2030 there will be 3,2 million fewer of us.
    Those. extinction rate indigenous The population is approximately 1 million people per year.
    Which is, in principle, confirmed by the same Rosstat statistics year-on-year.
    The total fertility rate in 2022 was 1,416, down from 2021, when it was 1,505.
    To maintain the population at the same level, a total fertility rate of about 2,1 births per woman is needed throughout life

    Someone above wrote that “we have never lived as well as we do now.”
    Well, maybe we’ll live more or less well. But our grandchildren will probably live in the caliphate.
  19. 0
    12 October 2023 12: 55
    Quote from Escariot
    Naturally, salaries began to be paid in vodka or mufflers for cars, because along with Moskvich, related enterprises producing mufflers were no longer needed.

    You have to give out salary based on what you produce - the anti-Soviet rattles would have to be content with sewage, since they are not able to produce anything other than that.
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 19: 22
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      Quote from Escariot
      Naturally, salaries began to be paid in vodka or mufflers for cars, because along with Moskvich, related enterprises producing mufflers were no longer needed.

      You have to give out salary based on what you produce - the anti-Soviet rattles would have to be content with sewage, since they are not able to produce anything other than that.

      So the meaning of existence of capitalist enterprises is to make money. It doesn’t matter what: burnt vodka or cars. This is how people get money.
  20. +2
    12 October 2023 12: 56
    Quote: NAF-NAF
    Do you know at least how many billions of dollars of resources accumulated during the Soviet period went to the states almost for nothing? (Nuclear fuel alone is worth it... the robbery of Russia ensured US nuclear energy for many years...)

    Has anything changed now?
  21. +5
    12 October 2023 12: 58
    Quote: kalibr
    They talked about this a lot, a lot. It was written... but... everything was not for the future.

    So it was teachers like Shpakovsky who taught...
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 15: 07
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      So it was teachers like Shpakovsky who taught me.

      Thomas. How do you know that he was a bad teacher and did a bad job in this matter?
  22. +3
    12 October 2023 13: 02
    Quote: Nikolay Malyugin
    There are things worse than business losses.

    There is nothing worse than the loss of enterprises - the destruction of the productive forces of the people. There are no enterprises, and there is no nation.
    1. +1
      12 October 2023 13: 13
      There are no enterprises and no nation.

      This thesis is cooler than Marx’s “Capital”!
  23. 0
    12 October 2023 14: 42
    Yes, yes, everything is bad, we are dying out, there is nothing to eat, the people are dying and leaving the country, everything is destroyed, stolen.
    You drive along the roads, traffic jams are getting worse every year due to the number of passenger cars, houses are being built like mushrooms, huts are being dismantled like pies (until recently). Many flew to the seas 2-3 times to their destination.
    There is nothing on the shelves, there would be money. And even if pensioners live poorly, they lived poorly under the Soviet Union.
    The country is full of problems, but I personally don’t want to go back to Soviet times!
    1. 0
      12 October 2023 15: 34
      Here's a photo of the last few days
      This poster is one of many that now hang in Penza.
      We started insulating another Soviet-built house not far from mine... Now this wall is ready!
      I already gave you a photo of this sports ground before September 1st. She was ready already on the 1st. Now schoolchildren from school 47 study there regularly.

      As you can see, everything around is very bad, but there is no work at all.
  24. +5
    12 October 2023 14: 43
    The article is correct. I agree with almost every suggestion. The destruction of the USSR is a global catastrophe, the consequences are monstrous. But some of those who conceived and implemented it are still with turntables. History teaches that it teaches nothing...
  25. +6
    12 October 2023 19: 27
    In the 90s, “managers” from Moscow came to every large plant, production, and research institute, recruited by CIA agents for their destruction and bankruptcy. Some particularly valuable technologies, factories and research institutes were exported to the West, for example, technologies for the production of crystals for microelectronics were sold for next to nothing and taken from VNIISIMS to Taiwan, which then became the largest manufacturer of chips and microelectronics. And VNIISIMS became bankrupt and in its place there are now supermarkets and a bunch of small tenants.

    Capitalism for the West is one thing, but for the colonies it is completely different! Double standards are the basis of Western foreign policy.
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    1. -1
      13 October 2023 18: 02
      Quote: Foma Kinyaev
      From the analysis of anti-scientific nonsense, anti-Soviet rhetoric, and Zionist vomit that this changeling is spewing here...

      So it is now, dear Thomas. But in Soviet times, anti-Soviet rhetoric was impossible. Zionist vomit even more so. Teaching was conducted strictly according to Marxist-Leninist science. Only the best and most proven were allowed into graduate school in the history of the CPSU. So your ends don’t meet... You didn’t think. Or maybe there’s nothing, huh? Socrates You are our underrated one.
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  28. -2
    12 October 2023 21: 41
    Quote: Vladimir80
    This thesis is cooler than Marx’s “Capital”!

    Of course, for all sorts of degenerates, buns grow on trees...
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  30. +2
    13 October 2023 06: 09
    Quote: Foma Kinyaev
    Of course, for all sorts of degenerates, buns grow on trees...


    Especially for the friend of all “patriots” of Russia, Peskov.

    , Zionist Urgant, performs in Moscow.

    https://t.me/ordinaryczarizm/2990

    The last of Yeltsin are successfully “working” in Putin’s entourage, shitting 24 hours a day, covering up the untermensch freaks who are watering our guys at the front, rinsing the president’s name in the slop.
  31. +1
    13 October 2023 08: 26
    Quote from Escariot
    Quote: Vladimir_2U
    Quote from Escariot
    because everyone went to buy used foreign cars, which in terms of price-quality ratio were much more attractive.

    Yeah, especially those who rushed to buy those whose salaries were given vodka, and this is not the worst option, to give it away!
    At least they understood something about the topic other than Lieberach’s mantras.

    Naturally, salaries began to be paid in vodka or mufflers for cars, because along with Moskvich, related enterprises producing mufflers were no longer needed. And it’s the same with the distillery, because it has become fashionable to distill moonshine and buy royal spirits, and all this without paying extortionate taxes to the state. Consumers themselves decided the fate of the country's industry

    Tell us a fairy tale, why people don’t buy Moskvich today? And now I’m wondering where to put the millions from under my pillow.
  32. +3
    13 October 2023 08: 32
    Sure sure!
    Author! Can you guess the riddle: Long, green, with a yellow stripe, smells like sausage?
    1. +2
      13 October 2023 09: 50
      Yeah, yeah!
      How did it suddenly turn out that at the beginning of 1992 “Gaidar saved the country”?

      Where did the sausage suddenly come from if it “didn’t exist”? Miracle!!!! Biblical. Nothing happened and there is a friend
      This will be a cooler riddle.....

      They drove the poor cretins on electric trains, so they ruined their country as a result and now they travel 100 km to work every day......

      Guess the riddle, where is it convenient to wash with cabbage soup and then ask for something to eat? (In the madhouse)

      This is from the same series as ruining your country and fighting, instead of putting the sausage in order in the USSRlaughing
  33. -1
    13 October 2023 16: 36
    What are the Soviet growth rates? The Soviet economy ended in the 70s, when there was no one else to pump out of the village. Growth had already fallen in the 70s, the life of the USSR was extended by oil, but it also collapsed in the second half of the 80s and at the same time the growth of the USSR economy became close to zero.
    In the 80s, capital savings accounted for about 35 percent of GDP, one of the highest rates in the world, and there was no economic growth because the system created distorted incentives.
  34. -1
    13 October 2023 16: 38
    "So, according to Rosstat, only 8% earn or receive a per capita income of over 100 thousand rubles per month. This is the real bourgeoisie" Uh... are you serious? Well, what kind of bourgeoisie is there with a salary of 100 rubles a month. An ordinary administrator at a KB store earns this much in Moscow and St. Petersburg. Well, or the given figures clearly do not correspond to the level of salaries in 2023, but rather, in context, to the early 2000s.
  35. 0
    13 October 2023 16: 44
    I have respect for military specialists. But please don’t speak out on topics you don’t understand. Socialism is unviable due to systemic shortcomings.

    Briefly about the abstract of the article.

    Firstly, the crisis of the 90s was a consequence of the collapse of socialism. Stop taking responsibility for this away from socialists. It was Soviet policy that led to what we got in the end.

    Secondly, now purchasing power, life expectancy, health, etc. are much higher than under the USSR. Even housing per person is almost twice as much: 26 m2 versus the Soviet 14 m2.

    Third, the economy itself has recovered. Let's take the agricultural sector. If under the USSR the country exchanged oil rubles for grain in order to make bread, now the Russian Federation is a self-sufficient country in food terms, and the most important exporter of agricultural products on the planet.

    I repeat: in fact, I have respect for everyone involved in the achievements of the Motherland, but socialism is a passed stage. Let's take these mistakes into account and continue to build a prosperous country.
    1. 0
      16 October 2023 16: 25
      Third, the economy itself has recovered. Let's take the agricultural sector. If under the USSR the country exchanged oil rubles for grain in order to make bread, now the Russian Federation is a self-sufficient country in food terms, and the most important exporter of agricultural products on the planet.


      How well hurray Botya is spitting, and here is an example of the economic security of the Russian Federation

      https://www.dv.kp.ru/daily/27089.7/4161009/

      https://www.avtoradio.ru/news/uid/139263

      Since the beginning of February, a food crisis has been sweeping the Far East. Due to the threat of the spread of the deadly coronavirus, the border with China, which is one of the main suppliers of vegetables and fruits to the eastern regions of Russia, was closed. This led to a shortage of products in the Amur Region, Primorye and Khabarovsk Territory. Tomatoes, cucumbers, zucchini, peppers and citrus fruits disappeared from the shelves, and some types of food products became worth their weight in gold.

      Realizing the scale of the “vegetable apocalypse,” the authorities decided to partially resume freight traffic with China. However, large suppliers are not yet able to fully restore the assortment and satisfy the demand of local residents. The shortage of vegetables and fruits in the Far East has become the main topic on social networks, where many memes and jokes about this have appeared. At the same time, many regretfully compare what is happening with the times of the USSR, when store shelves were also empty.

      2020 is the year of Covid and the closure of the Chinese border, in Vladivostok food prices reached three digits and it was necessary to urgently open...

      Your comment, dear Witsapiens, is a good example of the blatant lies of a capitalist
  36. -2
    14 October 2023 01: 01
    In truth, statistics from Soviet times raise no less questions than modern ones. The production growth figures that the author cites could have simply been drawn up by the State Statistics Committee for the newspaper Pravda. And now we discuss them as reliable. I don’t remember the flow of abundance during the Soviet era. People worked hard, that's true. But the state took the surplus value and spent it at its own discretion. People spent the first half of their lives saving up for a car and the second half driving it until it fell apart. Since the communists were unable to lead the country normally, there is no point in wringing our hands now. The propaganda of Marxism-Leninism was much more than brainwashing. I still remember with what joy we said goodbye to them then. Look at North Korea, it was certainly better in the USSR, but the atmosphere is about the same. Nobody wants to live there?
    1. 0
      14 October 2023 21: 35
      Yeah, yeah.... The red master was bad, but with a white master, a small furry animal may come.

      Conclusion: Feudalism among the Russian people was normal and strong. But with the fact that other nations went further, it turned out to be nothing. The good gentleman is still not coming.......