Marina Mnishek. The inglorious death of the Russian Tsarina

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Marina Mnishek. The inglorious death of the Russian Tsarina
Leon Vychulkovsky. “The flight of Marina Mniszech with her son”


В previous article we have already said that after the death of False Dmitry I, Marina Mniszech had the opportunity to freely leave for Poland, even to receive Grodno or Sambir from King Sigismund III. However, she chose to fight for the throne - even after killing the second impostor. She failed to become the new Basilisa Theodora, nor to die on the throne - “power did not become her shroud" The proud Pole died powerless and a prisoner abandoned by everyone - either from grief over her executed son, or from the hands of assassins sent: being crowned king, even in prison she seemed dangerous to the Romanovs who had recently come to power. Previous article we ended with the news that just a few days after the murder of False Dmitry II, Marina gave birth to a son, who was named Ivan. Today we will continue and finish the story about this woman.



Tsarevich Ivan Dmitrievich


After the death of False Dmitry II, who was killed while hunting by the Tatar prince Araslan (Peter) Urusov, the Kaluga residents, the remnants of the impostor’s army and the Don Cossacks of Ataman Ivan Martynovich Zarutsky took the oath to the newborn “prince”. And, it must be admitted that he had much more rights to the throne than all the other contenders - after all, although his father was an impostor of impostors, his mother was a legitimate queen - crowned, officially crowned king. And in many cities the widowed Marina Mnishek continued to be given royal honors. In addition to Zarutsky, another leader of the Cossack detachments, Prince Dmitry Trubetskoy, and the leader of the Ryazan militia, Prokopiy Lyapunov, were ready to recognize the rights of Ivan Dmitrievich. And Ivan Zarutsky later became the third and last husband of Marina Mnishek (by the way, it is he, and not False Dmitry II, who is considered by some to be the father of her son Ivan).

Ataman Zarutsky



This is how viewers of the series “Godunov” saw Marina Mnishek and Ataman Ivan Zarutsky

Ivan Martynovich Zarutsky was a native of the western Ukrainian city of Tarnopol (named after a local tycoon, now Ternopil). They say that as a child he was taken by the Tatars to the Crimea, from where he later fled to the Don. Over time, he became one of the authoritative chieftains there. He arrived in Moscow with the first False Dmitry, but did not play a particularly important role in the events of those years, and soon returned to the Don. After the murder of the impostor, he joined Ivan Bolotnikov and False Peter, who was with him, who pretended to be the son of Tsar Fyodor Ioannovich. But, having learned about the next “miraculous rescue of Dmitry,” in the fall of 1607 he left Tula, which was soon besieged and captured by the troops of Vasily Shuisky. Zarutsky found the second False Dmitry in Starodub. In the spring of 1608, Zarutsky led about 5 thousand Cossacks to Orel, where this impostor was then located. During the campaign of False Dmitry II to Moscow, the ataman commanded the right flank of the army. In the Tushino camp, Zarutsky received the rank of boyar. By decisive and timely actions, he prevented the complete defeat of the army of False Dmitry on Trinity Day 1608. After the impostor fled to Kaluga, he went to the Polish king Sigismund III, whose troops were besieging Smolensk, but soon left him and returned to serve the False Dmitry. In 1611, Zarutsky turned out to be one of the three leaders of the Council of the Whole Land - the others were Prince D. Trubetskoy and the Duma nobleman P. Lyapunov, the leader of the first (Ryazan) militia. It was because of Zarutsky’s intrigues that Lyapunov was killed by the Cossacks on July 22, 1611, and the militias he brought with him left Moscow.


The murder of P. Lyapunov on the Cossack circle (XNUMXth century engraving)

Having pushed Trubetskoy aside, Zarutsky now actually led the remaining units and tried to proclaim the young Ivan Dmitrievich king, but he was not supported by Patriarch Hermogenes and the leaders of the new militia - Minin and Pozharsky. At this time, a new False Dmitry appeared in Pskov - the third in a row, and in Astrakhan - the fourth, both pretended to be the second, who allegedly survived the assassination attempt in Kaluga. Astrakhansky was supported by the murderer of False Dmitry II, the Tatar prince Pyotr Urusov. This impostor then disappeared somewhere, and nothing is known about his fate. And the “Pskov Thief,” who, as it later turned out, was the son of a deacon of one of the Moscow churches, Matyushka, was captured in Gdov at the end of May 1612. After the accession of Mikhail Romanov, he was kept in chains for some time “for public viewing”, and then executed. But for now, Zarutsky first swore allegiance to the third False Dmitry, and then tried to organize an assassination attempt on Prince Pozharsky in Yaroslavl. After failure, in August 1612, with half the army (about two and a half thousand people) he went to Kolomna, where Marina Mnishek and her son were at that time. Kolomna was traditionally loyal to the False Dmitrys, and even blocked the path to Moscow for the capital of Dmitry Pozharsky’s army. With Zarutsky, Cossack detachments of atamans Ivan Chika, Panteleimon Materoy (both took part in the siege of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra) and Tikhon Chulkov came to Kolomna.

In Moscow, a Zemsky Sobor was assembled, at which on February 7, 1613, young Mikhail Fedorovich Romanov was elected tsar. The delegates took an oath

“Don’t rob other sovereigns and Marinka and her son of the Moscow state, and don’t be kind to them in anything, and don’t agree with them in anything.”

But at the same time, all the awards of False Dmitry II were legitimized.

Zarutsky did not recognize the decision of the Council. In March 1613, about 400 Cherkasy, Zaporozhye Cossacks, who were plundering Russian cities and villages at that time, joined him. Historian A.L. Stanislavsky, by the way, believed that it was precisely with the actions of this detachment that the story the death of Ivan Susanin, who in fact, according to the request of his son-in-law Bogdashka Sobinin, did not bring “Poles” anywhere, but simply “didn't say anything to the villains", when those "asked about the king».

Flight to the South


In the end, Zarutsky plundered the hospitable Kolomna and, taking Marina and her son with him, headed to the city of Mikhailov (modern Ryazan region). Of course, a legend arose that on the way he hid the loot in some hole, which was covered with the gates of the Pyatnitskaya tower of the Kolomna Kremlin, and “witch Marinka" she cursed this treasure, and therefore no one can find it to this day.

Zarutsky wanted to capture Pereyaslavl-Ryazansky (since 1778, by decree of Catherine II, this city began to be called Ryazan), but was defeated by Vladimir Lyapunov, the son of Procopius, who was killed at his instigation. And near Venev, the detachment of Ataman Chika was defeated, who was captured and taken to Tula. Zarutsky moved to Epifan, and in Mikhailov on April 2, 1613, the townspeople killed and captured the Cossacks who remained there. More than two hundred Zarutsky Cossacks deserted from Epifani, many later received forgiveness. Zarutsky ravaged a number of cities (Epifan, Dedilov, Krapivna), and then retreated to Voronezh, where his army was defeated in a two-day battle by the troops of Prince Ivan Odoevsky. After that, he and the remnants of the troops (about 500 people and a number of Nogais of Prince Ishterik) retreated to Astrakhan. Here Zarutsky and Mnishek initially found support from the townspeople and settled in the well-fortified Trinity Monastery, where the fugitive queen opened a house Catholic church, and also forbade ringing the bell for early matins - since the murder of False Dmitry I, she was afraid of the ringing of bells, but declared that it The young son is scared. They say that it was then that her wedding with the Don ataman took place.

Zarutsky wanted to assemble an army, which, in addition to his Cossacks and the Cossacks of the Treni Usa gang, was supposed to include detachments of Astrakhan, Nogai Tatars, Persians of Shah Abbas and even Turks. But soon a letter came to Astrakhan from the new authorities with an order not to provide support “Marinka the luthorka, heretics" and "thief Ivashka Zarutsky"and

“Fight against the Sovereign traitors Ivashka Zaruttskovo and others to the death.”

As you can see, the devout Catholic Marina Mnishek is called a Lutheran here: probably the person who wrote this paper had no idea about the irreconcilable enmity of Catholics and Protestants, and for him all non-Orthodox people were “alike.”

“Along the Volga, Caspian - to Yaik”


In the spring of 1614, the residents of Astrakhan, having learned that the army of the Streltsy head Vasily Khokhlov was marching on the city, rebelled. Zarutsky and Marina Mnishek were besieged in the Kremlin, from where they managed to escape on three plows on the night of May 12. It is curious that then the Polish woman Varvara Kazanovskaya, the only one of Marina Mnishek’s ladies-in-waiting who had remained with her until then, was captured by Khokhlov. And Zarutsky and Marina went through the Caspian Sea to Yaik (Ural), where they tried to take refuge on Bear Island.

On June 26, 1605, Ataman Trenya Us handed over Zarutsky, Marina, her son and Catholic priest Nicholas to a detachment of government troops commanded by Gordey Palchikov and Sevastyan Onuchin.

M. Voloshin wrote about this:

And we rushed by a pair of blue-gray gulls
Along the Volga, Caspian - to Yaik, -
This is where the royal arrows took
Baby Swan with Swan in a snare.

Sad final


The prisoners were transported to Kazan on two separate convoys of ships: Marina Mnishek and her son were guarded by 600 archers, Zarutsky by 350. They already traveled from Kazan to Moscow by land. In the capital, Zarutsky was impaled, and Marina Mnishek was sent to prison. Later, a legend appeared in Kolomna that the failed queen lived out her last days in their city - in the Round or Naugolnaya tower of the local Kremlin, which they even began to call Marinkina. The urban legend also tells about the ghost of Marina Mnishek living in the Kolomna Kremlin. Moreover, they claim that the spirit of Marina helps in unhappy love - if you ask it by touching the wall of “her” tower with your hand.


“Marinka Tower” of the Kolomna Kremlin

A popular folk legend says that Marina was a witch and warlock, and at night, in the guise of either a crow or a magpie, she flew out of the tower through the window. And then the local bishop allegedly consecrated the tower - and Marina, who flew out, was unable to return back and turn into a woman again. Because, they say, since then there have always been many crows flying over this tower. And for some reason no one asked a simple question: why did Marina even return to her prison? Another version of the legend is more logical: that she turned into a magpie and flew to Poland. However, in fact, this legend was invented by B. Pilnyak and included in his novel “The Volga Flows into the Caspian Sea.” And the real folk legend said that, having turned into a crow, Marina flew out not from the tower, but from the Polish camp, which was located not far from the city - in the town of Tabory. There was even a holiday in honor of the deliverance from the Poles, which Kolomsk residents went to Tabory to celebrate. And the New Chronicler directly says about the death of Marina Mnishek:

“In Moscow, that Zarutsky was impaled, and Vorenok and the traitor Fedka Andronov were hanged, and Marinka died in Moscow.”

The child was taken away from Marina Mnishek in Moscow, with a solemn promise that nothing bad would happen to him. And they deceived me. Velimir Khlebnikov wrote about this:

Her eyes are raised in prayer,
And laughter, and a mad cry,
And someone is on the cold floor
Lies in fruitless despair...
Then suddenly he gets up and runs
In the light-winged mazurka,
With someone he will laugh, smile,
He whispers to someone: “Darling.”
Then suddenly he gets up, trembling all over,
White as morning powder,
And she whispers, looking around: “Am I not good?”
................................................... ..
So she died slowly in prison
Marina, Russian queen.

This is how the execution of Marina Mnishek’s son is presented in a drawing by I. Sakurov:


The Polish ambassador Fyodor Zhelyabuzhsky reported in 1615:

“Ivashka and Marinka’s son were executed for his evil deeds, and Marinka died of illness and melancholy in Moscow of her own free will.”

It’s very interesting, what “evil deeds” were recorded for the minor “Ivashka”?

Let us turn again to the poem by M. Voloshin:

All Moscow has gathered for mass,
Like a baby - I was in my third year -
Yes, the last execution was executed
Near the Serpukhov Gate.

Marina Mnishek’s son, who was slightly younger than four years old, was actually hanged at the Serpukhov Gate - in Zamoskvorechye. According to updated data, this happened in November 1614.

The Romanovs staged the public hanging of Marina Mnishek’s young son out of fear that new impostors would appear. And thus they violated the ancient tradition of not executing children: of course, they were killed just like that at that cruel time, but such a public hanging simply shocked Muscovites. Moreover, the child’s body weight was too small, and the rope did not tighten around the child’s neck: the boy died for several hours. The Dutchman Elias Hercman wrote in 1625:

“Many trustworthy people saw how this child was carried with his head uncovered (to the place of execution). Since there was a snowstorm at that time and the snow was hitting the boy in the face, he asked several times in a crying voice: “Where are you taking me?” But the people who were carrying the child, who had not harmed anyone, calmed him down with words until they brought him (like a lamb to the slaughter) to the place where there was a gallows, on which they hanged the unfortunate boy, like a thief, on a thick rope woven from sponges. . Since the child was small and light, it was impossible to properly tighten the knot with this rope due to its thickness, and the half-dead child was left to die on the gallows.”

He reports about the death of Marina Mniszek:

“They say that the child’s mother, Marina Sandomirskaya, was then strangled between two beds. Many people tell different stories about her death. Some say she died a natural death. But be that as it may, it is true that she died suddenly, so that no one knew anything about her illness, and this happened very soon after her child was hanged. Even if she was not strangled, her death was nonetheless violent. She died as a result of grief and suffering from the insults inflicted on her.”

Despite the public execution of “Vorenok”, due to the inertia of the Troubles, “False Vashki” still appeared. The first was the Polish nobleman Jan Faustin Luba, who, according to the scheme that justified itself with False Dmitry I, was taught from childhood that he was really the saved son of Marina Mniszech. And already around 1640, Ivan Vergunenok, a Cossack from Poltava, tried to impersonate Ivan Dmitrievich, who turned to the Crimean Khan and the Turkish Sultan for help. In 1641, a certain Manuil Seferov, nicknamed Derbinsky, was captured by the Don Cossacks, who hinted that he was a surviving prince, but did not have time to openly announce this. And finally, already under Alexei Mikhailovich, the fourth impostor was hanged in Moscow, who was called a “nameless tramp” in the documents.

But that was later. Then, in 1614, the execution of an innocent child made a very difficult impression on Muscovites. And a legend appeared that Marina Mnishek cursed the Romanovs, predicting that wives would kill their husbands, and sons would kill their fathers, and it would all end in the death of this family:

“You began your reign with the death of a child, end it with the death of innocent children.”

People have always remembered this prediction of Marina Mnishek. Maybe that’s why no one in Russia was especially surprised, shocked or shocked by the news of the execution of the family of the last emperor in Yekaterinburg?
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  1. +8
    9 October 2023 05: 31
    Thank you, Valery!

    The Troubles do not end quickly. And how many adventurers it gives birth to.

    And as a modern talented poet said:

    Happiness is capricious, the distance is alarming.
    And life is what it is
    one, there won't be a second.
  2. +10
    9 October 2023 05: 38
    It is not for nothing that this period in historiography remains under the name “time of troubles.”
    Thank you Valery, yesterday I really missed your article on the history thread!
    Sincerely, Kote - good day to everyone, success and prosperity!!!
    1. +5
      9 October 2023 05: 49
      We are already accustomed to the fact that a thick book with pictures opens on a book shelf. And it becomes a subject of discussion.

      I wonder if at 15 years old would this format of discussion be interesting?

      The way of life has changed. But interest clubs remain.
  3. +14
    9 October 2023 05: 52
    The Romanov dynasty began with the murder of a child, and ended with the murder of children. And about the family castle of the Mnisheks. The castle in which Marina Mnishek was born stood in Lyashki Kamenny for a long time. During the First World War, a detachment of Russian troops found themselves in these places. Having learned who owned the castle, the soldiers shot it with guns. Several fragments of the walls were already left from it, which can hardly be distinguished.
    1. +6
      9 October 2023 07: 13
      There was a lot of symbolism in the reign of the Romanovs. Only from this article: in February 1613 they were elected to the kingdom and in February 1917 they abdicated. You can spin a version of the misfortunes of the Romanov dynasty this month. I think during the three centuries of rule there will be a couple of articles worth of conspiracy theories!!!
      1. +5
        9 October 2023 07: 33
        November 4th was also not far from the 7th.

        For a reasonable fee, I will declare any month sacred. A bag of arguments is attached.

        And you blame the weather year after year:
        The rains supposedly stopped in July...
        Drop the mask!
        Isn't that the reason? -
        You have nothing more to wish for
        Divine Julius.
        1. +6
          9 October 2023 07: 42
          Quote from Korsar4
          November 4th was also not far from the 7th.

          For a reasonable fee, I will declare any month sacred. A bag of arguments is attached.

          And you blame the weather year after year:
          The rains supposedly stopped in July...
          Drop the mask!
          Isn't that the reason? -
          You have nothing more to wish for
          Divine Julius.

          Good morning Sergey!
          To be honest, they could not “fence the garden”, but leave November 7 as a holiday in honor of the Parade on Red Square in 1941.
          1. +4
            9 October 2023 07: 48
            Good morning Vladislav!

            The change of formations also includes the change of holidays.

            Victory Day unites us all.

            And for individuals - “And there are spots on the Sun.”

            Again, a good way to get used to the holidays is a bonus.
            1. +5
              9 October 2023 16: 31
              Again, a good way to get used to the holidays is a bonus.

              In many Soviet families, the most popular holiday after the New Year was March 8th. And here, the traditional annual March price reductions for certain goods, introduced under I.V. Stalin, played an important role. In the 70s, like all Soviet schoolchildren, I was passionate about photography, but like the vast majority of my peers, I had a simple fifteen-ruble “Smena-8M”. And my happiness knew no bounds when, after the March 10% reduction in prices for photographic products, my grandmother bought me a Zenit-E! And then the parents bought a friend and classmate - the dream of all young photographers of the USSR at that time - "Kyiv-4"!!!
              1. +1
                9 October 2023 17: 02
                traditional annual March price reductions for certain goods.
                This was more than compensated for by the prices of mimosa. laughing
                1. +6
                  9 October 2023 18: 51
                  Mimosa was not sold in the USSR on March 8th, Anton. smile What we traditionally mistakenly call the symbol of this holiday has a different name - silver acacia Yes
                  1. +4
                    9 October 2023 19: 18
                    It doesn’t matter what it’s called, but it cost a lot. Something like a ruble per twig.
                    Once in my youth I brought three branches to my beloved girl.........
                    Since then I have given women other flowers.
                    1. +2
                      9 October 2023 19: 33
                      It doesn't matter what it's called

                      Moreover, these plants belong to the mimosa subfamily, that is, they are closely related.
                    2. +1
                      9 October 2023 20: 18
                      Something like a ruble per twig.

                      In Georgievsk in the 80s, a March branch on holidays cost 50 kopecks in the market and 30-40 kopecks. from street vendors, whom even the police did not chase away these days.
                      1. +2
                        9 October 2023 21: 36
                        Oh vey! I’ll ask you, where is Georgievsk and what is Polar Dawns???
                      2. +3
                        9 October 2023 21: 57
                        For me, a rural schoolboy at that time, the regional center of Georgievsk itself was at the end of the world at that time. In order to buy mimosa sprigs with my meager savings for my grandmother, great-grandmother and classmate, I had to get to him from our village by bus, but he didn’t go often.
                        where is Georgievsk and what is Polar Dawns???

                        You gave prices in your region, I gave mine.
                      3. 0
                        9 October 2023 22: 17
                        You gave prices in your region, I gave mine.
                        This is not in the region, this is in the area of ​​the nuclear power plant. There prices have always been a little different.
              2. +3
                9 October 2023 17: 45
                ... There was a time - and there were cellars,
                There was a deal and prices were reduced,
                And the channels flowed right
                And in the end, where it was necessary.


                There was also “Change”. Also from my father.
                1. +3
                  9 October 2023 20: 25
                  I got “Change” from my older brother. He and I are five years apart, and in 1974 he was already courting girls full time, there’s no time for photos. smile
                  1. +2
                    9 October 2023 21: 10
                    I had, and still have, FED-5. Later a mirror Zenith appeared. Both cameras are alive. My daughter uses the latter from time to time. I've already purchased Smena myself. although film prices are steep today.
                    1. +4
                      9 October 2023 21: 27
                      I had, and still have, FED-5


                      And I had my father’s “Photocor 1”. They persuaded me to give it to the museum. It was operational until last summer.



                      The instructions remain.
            2. +6
              9 October 2023 17: 28
              Again, a good way to get used to the holidays is a bonus.

              Undoubtedly !!!!!!!!! But not only the bonuses themselves in pure monetary terms. And other “ideological goodies”: Holiday “Blue Lights” on TV, concerts. For the New Year there are traditional production gifts for the children of workers, city Christmas trees. For March - price reductions. On election days there are festive food counters at polling stations. In May and November there are parades, festive demonstrations and celebrations. Victory Days are a separate topic altogether! And all these holidays in the USSR were accompanied on these days by appropriate TV accompaniment - thematic feature films and documentaries, concerts and programs.
              And now? For me personally, it was extremely unpleasant to see in the TV program for May 9, 2023. the American film “Saving Private Ryan”, the anti-Soviet cranberry defaming the victorious army in the Second World War “One Woman in Berlin” and the stupidest, concocted soap series “Sky Swallows”, which has nothing to do with reality - but there is ch. The heroine pilot PO-2's name is Lydia Litvyak! fellow
              Ugh !!! fool
              1. +3
                9 October 2023 18: 15
                For the information of the “highly literate” scriptwriters of the series, the hero of the Soviet Union Lydia Vladimirovna Litvyak fought not on a PO-2, but on a Yak-1 fighter.
                Lydia Vladimirovna Litvyak (August 18, 1921 – August 1, 1943), junior lieutenant of the 586th Guards IAP, Soviet fighter aviation ace during the Second World War. (16 single victories and from two to four joint).


                She became the first Soviet Air Force fighter pilot to shoot down an enemy aircraft during World War II and the first of two female fighter pilots to achieve the title of fighter ace. She also holds the world record for the most enemy aircraft shot downs by a female fighter pilot. Known in German military sources as the "White Lily of Stalingrad" (Weiße Lilie von Stalingrad, russisches Piloten-Ass) after the lily logo on the fuselage of her fighter. She died near Orel during the Battle of Kursk when she attacked a formation of German aircraft.

              2. +3
                9 October 2023 19: 09
                When the elections had already begun for me, and Soviet power in the country had not yet ended, they also lured me with books. And just from the voting point Voloshin’s volume came home.

                And now there are more than enough books. And there are even more other sources of information.
          2. +4
            9 October 2023 08: 08
            and leave November 7 as a holiday in honor of the 1941 Red Square Parade.
            What was the parade on November 7, 1941 held in honor of? In honor of what holiday? Well, yes, for many descendants, those who defended the honor and independence of our Motherland during the Great Patriotic War, November 7, for some reason, “grief.” laughing Like the entire Soviet past, except for the Great Patriotic War and Gagarin’s flight. In principle, yes, now we live in the brightest present. laughing Russia today “is a land reminiscent of paradise” (c)
      2. +4
        9 October 2023 07: 58
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        There was a lot of symbolism in the reign of the Romanovs.

        in February 1917 - they renounced.

        Yes, it’s like they’re not quite the Romanovs anymore
        1. +3
          9 October 2023 09: 20
          Whoever takes on a surname, especially a royal one, also takes on everything that comes with it.
          1. +3
            9 October 2023 10: 30
            Quote from Korsar4
            Whoever takes on a surname, especially a royal one, also takes on everything that comes with it.

            The first association is Emelyan Pugachev!!! laughing
            1. +3
              9 October 2023 11: 56
              Received royal honors. And the royal retribution.
            2. +2
              9 October 2023 20: 43
              First association - Emelyan Pugachev

              IMHO, the first in Russian history are Askold and Dir, to whom Oleg popularly explained the dangers of associating oneself with the princely family
          2. +1
            9 October 2023 11: 24
            The Valois chose to remain as such, although they were Capetian by blood.
            1. +1
              9 October 2023 14: 40
              By the way, yes. Both the Valois and the Bourbons are not just descendants of Hugh Capet, but also of Saint Louis. But here you go. Another dynasty request
          3. +1
            9 October 2023 18: 30
            Whoever takes on a surname, especially a royal one, also takes on everything that comes with it.

            It’s not for nothing that people say: “If you call yourself a load, get into the box.”
        2. +2
          9 October 2023 10: 04
          Peter 3's mother, Anna Petrovna, having gotten married, as expected, took her husband's surname, and therefore even this grandson of Peter 1 was formally not a Romanov, but a representative of another dynasty. Children of aristocrats received their surname from their father, rather than from their mother or grandfather. Catherine 2 was a pure impostor, and whose son Pavel 1 was is still being debated.
          1. +4
            9 October 2023 11: 38
            Quote: vet
            Anna Petrovna, having gotten married, as expected, took her husband’s surname and therefore even this grandson of Peter 1 was formally not a Romanov, but a representative of another dynasty.

            Yes, but no.
            If an aristocratic family was cut short in the male line, it could be continued by descendants in the female line.
            1. +3
              9 October 2023 12: 05
              Well, both Catherines are definitely not Romanovs by blood. And then - like the Jews:
              It is impossible to find the trace of a fish in a river, the trace of a snake on a stone, or the trace of a man in a woman.

              And Catherine 2 had so many of these traces! And who in the case of Paul 1 “inherited”? Either Saltykov, or his legal husband.
              1. +3
                9 October 2023 14: 39
                Quote: vet
                Well, both Catherines are definitely not Romanovs by blood.

                But Anna Petrovna is quite a Romanova.
                Quote: vet
                And Catherine 2 had so many of these traces! And who in the case of Paul 1 “inherited”?

                Whoever, as you deigned to put it, “inherited” Pavel Petrovich was born in a legal marriage and is recognized as the father.
            2. +1
              9 October 2023 16: 54
              If an aristocratic family was cut short in the male line, it could be continued by descendants in the female line.
              A striking example is Mago d'Artois. But there have been more surprising cases.
              1. +1
                9 October 2023 18: 41
                What does Mago d'Artois have to do with it? The legitimate successor of the Artois family, both de jure and de facto, was and remained the peer of France Robert III d'Artois, lord of Conchas, Nonancourt and Domfront. And after the death of her brother, Aunt Margot of Burgundy only snatched away the very county of Artois and the title to this county from her nephew Robert.
                Greetings Anton!
                1. +3
                  9 October 2023 19: 00
                  Margot of Burgundy
                  She is Burgundian only by marriage, but Capetian by blood. In general, a very interesting mixture arose there, which Druon kept silent about.
                  Meanwhile, hello, Dmitry!
                  1. 0
                    9 October 2023 20: 31
                    She is Burgundian only by marriage, but Capetian by blood.

                    Of course, Capetian, after all, the half-sister of Robert II of Artois and the aunt of Robert III. Both were immensely proud of their royal roots and their ancestor Louis the Saint, despite the enmity between themselves
                    1. +3
                      9 October 2023 21: 42
                      Of course, Capetian, after all the half-sister of Robert II of Artois

                      Mahaut d'Artois is not the sister, but the daughter of Robert II of Artois by his first wife Amicie de Courtenay.
                      The legal successor of the Artois family, both de jure and de facto, was and remained the peer of France Robert III d'Artois

                      That you got excited.
                      1. +2
                        9 October 2023 22: 23
                        That you got excited.
                        And I thought that the Hundred Years War had ended long ago....
                      2. +3
                        9 October 2023 23: 33
                        That you got excited.

                        Guilty. I wrote from memory, of course she was Robert’s older sister from his father’s first wife
                    2. +1
                      9 October 2023 21: 50
                      Where did Mago boast? She was the legal heir to the earldom.
                      1. -1
                        9 October 2023 23: 29
                        What does the legal heir to the county have to do with it? The conversation is that Matilda boasted that she was the granddaughter of Louis IX.
                        Where did Mago boast?

                        Yes, at least in the modest text on his tombstone in Basilique St Denis:
                        Peer of France la dame élevée vivant Matilda D'Artois, la comtesse souverain Artois Pfalzgrandi Borgogne de la petite-fille du roi Louis de la Sainte, Mere in Law of the Kings of France
                      2. +3
                        10 October 2023 00: 16
                        Yes, at least in the modest text on his tombstone in Basilique St Denis:

                        Again you got excited. Mahaut d'Artois is buried in the abbey church of Maubuisson, and her heart is in the church of the Cordeliers monastery.



                        All that remains of the church today.
              2. +2
                9 October 2023 22: 59
                Quote: 3x3zsave
                A vivid example

                Windsors.
                Originally Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, now a branch of the House of Oldenburg.
                You can also remember Alexander Alexandrovich Andre, who received the right to add the title of Count Bludov to his surname, thus becoming Bludov-Andre.
                Prince Repnin-Volkonsky... Count Osterman-Tolstoy
  4. +4
    9 October 2023 08: 38
    26 June 1625 Ataman Trenya Us betrayed Zarutsky, Marina, her son and a Catholic priest

    The author has a problem with mathematics, numbers for him are just a set of icons (it started with an error in the first part of the series), but that’s okay - but he tells a fascinating story!
    1. 0
      9 October 2023 10: 27
      The author has a problem with mathematics, numbers for him are just a set of icons (it started with an error in the first part of the series), but that’s okay - but he tells a fascinating story!

      The one who doesn't work makes no mistakes!
      1. VLR
        +1
        9 October 2023 14: 29
        We corrected this typo, sometimes they skip, what can you do?
  5. +2
    9 October 2023 09: 11
    The power of ambition is immeasurable. At the same time, ambitious people, as a rule, are absolutely incapable of correctly assessing their strengths and capabilities and the real situation. Same Yeltsin - he just needed a bottle of vodka a day and a good snack to go with it. Did he not have enough money? Was it worth destroying the country and driving the people into poverty for this?
  6. +2
    9 October 2023 10: 01
    “I was not shocked and shocked” Valery, in the conditions of war, when brother and siblings become enemies, it is unlikely that it will be different.
    I bet the reaction to what happened would have been completely different.
    PS
    Even under the conditions of war, many doubted the veracity of the message. For a long time, there were rumors that Mikhail Romanov was alive
    The Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna did not believe in the death of the entire family.
    P.S.
    Remember how many “Anastasias” there were?
  7. +2
    9 October 2023 10: 13
    Valery, I may be mistaken, but are you not indifferent to Voloshin?
    I’ll be honest, among the poets of the “Silver Age” I appreciate: the lyrics of Yesenin and Tsvetaeva, but I don’t immediately remember the names of the others
    1. +3
      9 October 2023 16: 52
      Quote from lisikat2
      Valery, I may be mistaken, but are you not indifferent to Voloshin?
      I’ll be honest, among the poets of the “Silver Age” I appreciate: the lyrics of Yesenin and Tsvetaeva, but I don’t immediately remember the names of the others

      Seriously? And Blok, Balmont, Akhmatova, Igor Severyanin? By the way, Samuil Marshak, known to you since childhood, is included in the same galaxy, Katya.
      But Yesenin is not one of the representatives of Russian poetry of the Silver Age. - according to the classification accepted in literature, he is a “new peasant”, like Nikolai Klyuev, whom I adore.
      1. +1
        9 October 2023 17: 08
        Igor Severyanin Unlike Yesenin, he did not suffer from modesty.
        "I, genius, Igor Severyanin" (c)
        1. +1
          9 October 2023 18: 58
          And Yesenin himself, judging by the memoirs of his contemporaries, was never particularly modest smile
      2. +2
        9 October 2023 17: 29
        I like Klyuev too.

        We love only that which has no name,
        Which, as a half-hint, torments with mystery:
        Departures of cranes, a number of signs in nature
        It teaches you to see the unknown.
        1. +2
          9 October 2023 21: 01
          Klyuev likes it too

          The great-grandmother, who lived a difficult life, knew many of his poems by heart. From childhood I remember from her:
          Sickness and drought, pestilence on the cattle.
          Hunching over, the old woman sews a dress for her hubby.
          The canvas is chilling to the touch, the thread, the needle are blind...
          Like a bear's tread, the fate is heavy.
          God's ear is deaf, the above-ground vault is thick.
          Crying, the old woman sews a funeral linen. (With)
      3. VLR
        +2
        9 October 2023 17: 41
        They say that when Gippius saw Yesenin, who had first arrived in St. Petersburg, she, pointing to his felt boots, asked: what kind of stockings do you have? Most likely, Yesenin then deliberately wore felt boots to attract attention. But it is indicative how far the capital’s bohemia was from the real life of the common people.
  8. +5
    9 October 2023 11: 21
    I read the history of Russia, and I was especially impressed by the murder by Muscovites of the son of Boris Godunov, who was an intelligent, well-read, pious, well-mannered possible ruler of Russia. I also thought then that often the common people themselves deserved the troubles that befell them in those days.
  9. +5
    9 October 2023 11: 39
    It’s strange, such a desire to be a Russian queen and until the last she remained a Catholic
    1. +2
      9 October 2023 12: 45
      Catherine II behaved differently. But the attitude towards faith has changed considerably during this time.
  10. +4
    9 October 2023 12: 32
    I've read the entire series. The title says it’s about Marina, but in reality it’s a tease of the facts and fictions of the turmoil. At least about Mnishka herself. Ryzhov used to be more interesting. But the fate of the Romanovs began with the Murder of a child and ended with it. It is a fact . Is it Marinkino’s curse or just God’s punishment - it’s not for us to know. Hanging a child in public was politically justified by the situation and the need to cauterize the ulcer of unrest, but Mikhail and his father also brought mob and evil upon their descendants. God is their judge, but we must not forget that his ways are inscrutable. So maybe the first Romanovs sacrificed the well-being of their descendants, but saved the well-being of Russia? We weren’t in their shoes and it’s not for us to judge
  11. +2
    9 October 2023 12: 46
    Of course, a legend arose that on the way he hid the loot in some hole, which was covered with the gates of the Pyatnitskaya Tower of the Kolomna Kremlin, and the “witch Marinka” cursed this treasure, and therefore no one can find it to this day.


    If we were to find all the legendary treasures lying in Russia (assuming that they are all real, but have not been found), and add to them the jewelry allegedly abandoned on the way back by Napoleon’s army, and the notorious “Kolchak’s gold” - probably no oil would be needed it would be - just dig it out for yourself. laughing
    1. +2
      9 October 2023 18: 28

      If we could find all the legendary treasures lying in Russia (assuming that they are all real, but have not been found), and add to them the jewelry allegedly abandoned on the way back by Napoleon’s army, and the notorious “Kolchak’s gold”

      I’ll assume that in terms of modern money, it won’t be much at all (that is, you won’t get anything special for the cost of these “treasures”)
      P.S. In the neighboring country, many dreamed about the hidden “hetman’s gold” until recently)
    2. +3
      9 October 2023 21: 23
      "legendary treasures"
      Back in the eighties, in the magazine "Around the World" I read about a large-scale archaeological expedition on the lake, where, according to the testimony of local peasant eyewitnesses, Napoleon, retreating from the sack of Moscow, lowered treasures looted from Moscow under the ice. They were looking for the legendary treasures of Napoleon. Soviet archaeologists carried out a unique deep-sea operation, the result was that no chests of gold were found, but a lot of artillery and boxes with French regimental property were brought to the surface.
  12. +9
    9 October 2023 13: 16
    He reports the death of Marina Mnishek
    History is contradictory and unclear about how Marina Mnishek actually died. The words that sounded in 1615 from the lips of the ambassador to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth Fyodor Zhelyabuzhsky are known: “And Ivashko and Marinka’s son were executed for his evil deeds, and Marinka in Moscow died of illness and melancholy of her own free will; and the sovereign and the boyars need her alive to expose your lies.”
  13. +5
    9 October 2023 14: 47
    And, it must be admitted that he had much more rights to the throne than all the other contenders - after all, although his father was an impostor of impostors, his mother was a legitimate queen - crowned, officially crowned king.

    Quite a strange conclusion. Marina Yezhikovna was not crowned on her own, but in connection with her marriage to the Tsar. If the king is not real, then the queen is not strong stop
    «Ivashka for your evil deeds and Marinka's son executed, and Marinka died of her own free will from illness and melancholy in Moscow.”
    It’s very interesting, what “evil deeds” were recorded for the minor “Ivashka”?

    Let's read more carefully. Ivashka (that is, Zarutsky) и Marinka's son.
    I hope you won’t deny that Zarutsky has enough “evil deeds”?
  14. +6
    9 October 2023 15: 14
    The Polish ambassador Fyodor Zhelyabuzhsky reported in 1615:

    “Ivashka and Marinka’s son were executed for his evil deeds, and Marinka died of illness and melancholy in Moscow of her own free will.”

    It’s very interesting, what “evil deeds” were recorded for the minor “Ivashka”?

    Most likely, Ivashka meant Ivan Zarutsky. The very construction of the sentence separates it from “Marinka’s Son.”
    The author’s question is incorrect, although the reader may fall for it, because Zarutsky is mentioned by name in the article only at the very beginning of the story about him. It turned out ugly. The murder of a child in any case evokes strong emotions, why falsely pedal?
  15. +4
    9 October 2023 16: 50
    In the highest places, be it tsars, be it kings, presidents or general secretaries, there is always a struggle for power and they kill each other and do not spare their children. bully
  16. +3
    9 October 2023 17: 44
    Well, what to say ...
    The author’s dilogy about Alienor of Aquitaine turned out better than the trilogy about Marina Mnishek. Apparently, the charisma of the heroine of the story plays a significant role.
    Thank you, Valery!
  17. +5
    9 October 2023 18: 46
    The author is correctly Polish and not Polish!
    Pole and Polish woman are an insult to Poles. I don't think that's what you wanted in the article.
    1. -1
      9 October 2023 22: 03
      Colleague, this is a Russian-language resource. And "polka", in Russian, is a dance. And a woman originally from Poland is called a “Polish”. There is no need to teach us how to speak our language.
      1. +6
        9 October 2023 22: 08
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        There is no need to teach us how to speak our language

        Well, in general - yes:

  18. +4
    9 October 2023 19: 17
    Quote: parusnik
    The Romanov dynasty began with the murder of a child, and ended with the murder of children.

    The Romanov dynasty ended in the male line in 1730 with the death of Peter II Alekseevich (grandson of Peter I), and in the female line in 1762 with the death of Elizaveta Petrovna (daughter of Peter I).
    After them, the Holstein-Gottorpskys, descendants of Anna Petrovna, daughter of Peter I, ruled for some time under the name “Romanovs.” Well, who the father of Emperor Pavel Petrovich, whose descendant Nicholas II ended his life in the Ipatiev basement, is not really known.
    So the beginning of the reign of this dynasty and its end are in no way connected.
    1. +2
      9 October 2023 20: 09
      But these “impostors,” declaring themselves the Romanovs, took upon themselves the burden of the Romanov sins. So everything is correct with the prophecy.
  19. 0
    13 October 2023 12: 44
    Maybe that’s why no one in Russia was especially surprised, shocked or shocked by the news of the execution of the family of the last emperor in Yekaterinburg?
    By that time, the population of Russia did not care at all about Nikolai, but there was no end to those who wanted to kill him. If my memory serves me correctly, only in Tobolsk his guards three times had to fight off work detachments that came to “kill the Tsar.”
  20. 0
    5 November 2023 23: 28
    The husband is an impostor and she herself is an impostor