Why did Oceania fight with Eurasia? What George Orwell wanted to tell us with his dystopian novel “1984”

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Why did Oceania fight with Eurasia? What George Orwell wanted to tell us with his dystopian novel “1984”

Published in 1948, the novel 1984 by British writer and journalist George Orwell (real name Eric Blair) is one of the most significant works of the XNUMXth century. Memorable images created by Orwell, such as “Big Brother”, “thoughtcrime”, “doublethink”, “newspeak”, still influence public opinion today. The term “newspeak” (in the original newspeak) is currently used to designate a language that is totalitarian in its function, as opposed to natural language, which serves as a means of human communication.

In Russia, the English writer George Orwell is known primarily for his novel “1984” and the satirical story “Animal Farm.” They clearly contained criticism of the Soviet totalitarian regime, which is why the novel became a political pamphlet that played a significant role in Western propaganda during the Cold War.



In turn, the ideologists of Soviet propaganda insisted (and perhaps not without reason) that J. Orwell, who exposed the iron cages of real socialism, with his novel “1984” was aiming not so much at the Soviets, but at the country of which he was a citizen at that time – to the UK [2]. However, what is significant is that the book itself was not published in the Soviet Union until 1989 and was banned so that the reader could not compare what he read with what he observed around him.

Orwell was led to the story “Animal Farm” and the novel “1984” by both book and real-life experience. From August 1941 to November 1943, the writer worked for the BBC (hosting programs on India), which allowed him to understand the mechanism of “ideological indoctrination” of people. A significant role was also played by the six months spent in Spain during the civil war - most of this time Orwell fought on the Aragonese front in the POUM brigade [3].

In his essay “Remembering the Spanish War” (published in 1943), he doubted that it would ever be possible to create a true account of it. history: What evidence will Franco keep for the future? And the Republicans, according to Orwell, often resorted to lies. Orwell was convinced that the Republic failed not only because of the military superiority of the Francoists, but also because of ideological intolerance within the Republic itself, purges and reprisals against those who had the courage to defend independent political opinions.

“Some kind of history will be written, and when all those who fought leave, this story will become generally accepted. And that means, if you look at things realistically, a lie inevitably acquires the status of truth,”

- said Orwell. The germs of the writer’s main works are obvious here.

In this material we will primarily touch on two themes that run like a red thread through Orwell’s entire work “1984” - this is the theme of war and the theme of the “new language of deception”, the expressive means of which is “newspeak”.

The concept of war in Orwell's novel "1984"


In the world of George Orwell's 1984, divided into three superstates (Oceania, Eurasia and Eastasia), war plays an important role in their strategy. As researchers of Orwell’s work rightly note, the survival of each of the three states was based on the following internal and external strategies.

First, the state must subject its citizens to the will of Elder Brother (Big Brother); secondly, the state had to fuel the population’s hatred of its enemy through a constant state of limited, local war; thirdly, states must maintain a balance and enter into more and more new alliances with a certain periodicity in order to prevent the complete unification of two states against a third [4].

War in the world of George Orwell plays a completely different role than it played before - it is not waged to conquer territories, not to unite people in one state, not to seize new markets, and not even to enrich the ruling group. The war in the world “1984” is essentially a fiction, which is intended primarily for the domestic consumer.

“Compared to past wars, the current one is simply a fraud. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, even if they were aware of the commonality of their interests and sought to limit the destructiveness of war, still waged a real struggle with each other, and the winner always ruined the vanquished.

Nowadays, as is easy to see, war is a purely internal matter. The war is waged by the ruling group against its subjects, and the purpose of the war is not to avoid the seizure of its territory, but to preserve the social order. Therefore, the very word “war” is misleading. It would be better, apparently, to say that, having become permanent, the war stopped altogether...

If the superstates, instead of fighting each other, had agreed to live in permanent peace, each within its own inviolable borders, the results would have been the same. Eternal peace is the same as eternal war" [1],

– this is what the main character of Orwell’s novel “1984” Winston Smith writes in his diary.

This is precisely the meaning of the slogan of the ruling party of Oceania: “War is Peace.” In political terms, the meaning of war is that, on the one hand, it is a zone of entropy, where you can dump all the accumulated negativity of society, and on the other hand, it is a phenomenon with the help of which you can evoke the necessary emotions - joy, fear, etc. War is thus a means of control over society.

“Even the most inconspicuous member of the Party must be competent, hardworking and even intelligent within some narrow limits, but at the same time it is necessary that he be a gullible and ignorant fanatic, that his predominant feelings are fear and hatred, that he is capable of worship and to fiery rejoicing.

In other words, his entire state of mind must correspond to the state of war. In this case, it does not matter whether the war is actually being waged or not, and since there cannot be a decisive victory, it does not matter whether military operations are successful or unsuccessful. Only one thing is important: that a state of war exists” [1].

Members of the Inland Party of Oceania, writes Orwell, often know that some reports from the front are false, and that there is either no war at all, or it is being waged for completely different purposes than those that were proclaimed. But this knowledge is easily neutralized by doublethink.

According to Orwell, doublethink is the ability to simultaneously hold two opposing beliefs (which is possible as a result of special indoctrination and rewriting the past) or change one’s opinion to the opposite if ideologically necessary. For this reason, every member of the party has no doubt that the war is on and will undoubtedly end in the victory of Oceania.

If a person began to doubt the veracity of the official version or risked expressing politically unacceptable thoughts that contradict the principles of Ingsoc (English socialism), he committed a “thought crime.” Those who committed “thought crimes” were arrested by the “thought police.”

The Thought Police in Orwell's novel is a secret security agency charged with capturing and punishing people disliked by the authorities. This governing body is located in the Ministry of Love, where people were tortured in order to force them to sincerely believe the policies of the state. In this way, Big Brother controlled public opinion.

An important feature of the thought police is the ability to ensure that the population lives with a sense of constant surveillance. The feeling that your every step is controlled leads to complete psychological suppression of a person. People have no right to feel dissatisfaction with life and are unable to even think about opposing the ruling party [5]. In their work, the Thought Police use many scientific discoveries and technological inventions, such as the television screen, which is a mixture of television and CCTV camera.

But let's return to the topic of war.

In the world of 1984, none of the opposing superstates are able to achieve complete victory over their opponents. Oceania cannot defeat Eurasia, and, as already indicated above, such goals, apparently, are not set. In Orwell's dystopia, "the economy exists only through war and for war."

“Everywhere there is the same pyramidal structure, the veneration of a semi-deified leader, and an economy that exists only through war and for war. It follows from this that not a single superstate is capable of conquering others, but even if it did, it would not derive any benefits from it. On the contrary, while they are at enmity, they serve each other as support” [1],

- writes Orwell.

In the year the novel takes place (1984), Oceania was at war with Eurasia and in alliance with Eastasia. And neither in public nor in private statements was it allowed to say that at one time these three forces were grouped differently. But the main character of the work, Winston, knew very well that in fact only four years ago Oceania was at war with Eastasia and was an ally of Eurasia.

However, it was just a piece of secret knowledge that he possessed because his memory was not well controlled. Officially, no change of allies ever occurred. Oceania is at war against Eurasia - which means that Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia. Whoever was the enemy at the moment was always portrayed as an absolutely eternal enemy.

Some Orwell scholars believe that this sudden change of enemy and ally of Oceania parodies the sudden change in Soviet propaganda towards Nazi Germany in 1939 and a similar change in German propaganda towards the USSR during the same period, and then the reverse jump on June 22 1941.

Newspeak is a language that serves the ideology of the ruling group


“The peculiarity of a totalitarian state is that, while controlling thought, it does not fix it on one thing. Dogmas are put forward that are not subject to discussion, but change from day to day. Dogmas are needed because absolute obedience of subjects is required. However, it is impossible to do without adjustments dictated by the needs of the policies of those in power. Having declared itself infallible, the totalitarian state at the same time rejects the very concept of objective truth.”

– wrote J. Orwell in his essay “Literature and Totalitarianism” in 1941.

Control over thought is, first of all, control over language, over how people speak, what means of description they use [2]. In the novel 1984, the government of Oceania, with the help of linguists, develops and introduces a new form of language - Newspeak. Newspeak, the official language of Oceania, was developed to serve the ideology of Ingsoc, or English socialism.

Newspeak is the English language with the most simplified grammar and vocabulary. At the time of the work, 1984, Newspeak was not yet widespread among the people. The government plans to completely replace Oldspeak (ordinary English) by 2050. Words that contradicted party policy were designated as thought crimes.

The vocabulary of Newspeak is constantly shrinking: one word takes on the functions of a noun and a verb, others lose some of their meanings. The word loses the ability to convey shades of feelings, a complex train of thoughts, thereby they are simplified, as if annulled, because the authorities do not need all this: it is too difficult to control. This is what happens, for example, with the word “freedom”: in Newspeak you can say “the dog is free from the collar,” but “freedom of speech” is not. The last construction and similar ones are considered a thought crime [5].

Newspeak, the language of manipulation (and here J. Orwell was ahead of his time), flourishes in the era of post-truth, distortion and deception in the name of gaining and extending power, in the name of keeping key life-support resources under control by a small group of those in power. The bureaucratic machine masters the art of substituting concepts and evaluative modes [2].

And now the drying out of the sphere of social protection - healthcare or education - becomes “optimization”, bringing the corresponding area to its optimal, supposedly necessary state. Closing enterprises and laying off workers becomes a “reorganization.” An explosion becomes a “bang,” a plane crash becomes a “hard landing,” and an economic recession becomes a “decline in economic growth.”

Semantic manipulations have limited applicability if they obey the laws of logic, but in totalitarian states the rules of formal logic are subject to replacement by dialectical balancing act, giving rise to doublethink: peace is war, freedom is slavery [2].

It is worth noting that the current situation in the media sphere is increasingly reminiscent of the gloomy picture that George Orwell painted for us in his dystopian novel. Despite the fact that the totalitarian states that the British writer harshly criticized no longer exist, after the Second World War the era of a total-manipulative information society began.

As a conclusion


It is a mistake to believe that “totalitarian dictatorship” for J. Orwell was synonymous only with Hitlerism and Stalinism - he wanted to demonstrate that the totalitarian system, in whatever country, in whatever circumstances it arose, invariably has a number of typical characteristics and tries to control thoughts and feelings of their subjects. This statement seems quite controversial, but the author’s goal is to explain what exactly Orwell wanted to say with his dystopian novel and what role war played in it. Criticism of “1984” was not the purpose of this material.

“Totalitarianism has encroached on freedom of thought in ways never before imagined. It is important to be aware that his control over thought pursues not only prohibitive, but also constructive goals. It is not just forbidden to express - even to admit - certain thoughts, but it is dictated what exactly one should think.

An ideology is created that must be accepted by the individual, control his emotions and impose a pattern of behavior on him... The end of literature as we knew it is inevitable if totalitarianism is established everywhere in the world. That’s what has happened so far where he prevailed,”

– Orwell wrote in his essay “Literature and Totalitarianism.”

Of course, Orwell exaggerated - neither in Bolshevik Russia, nor in fascist Italy, nor even in Nazi Germany (these were the states that were considered totalitarian) literature ceased to exist. Moreover, it developed one way or another. However, ideological restrictions were indeed imposed on it, which George Orwell was opposed to.

He also saw totalitarian tendencies in states that considered themselves democratic - in particular, the image of the “Ministry of Truth” was inspired by Orwell’s work experience at the BBC. English readers will easily recognize the building described in 1984 as the BBC building on Portland Place.

One of the central themes of Orwell's novel 1984 is the theme of war, which totalitarian states constantly used to control the population. War in Orwell's world is constant, permanent. Without war there would be no justification for low living standards, and besides, war served as a means to unite people.

“As long as the war could be won or lost, no ruling class had the right to behave completely irresponsibly. But when a war becomes literally endless, it ceases to be dangerous... Capacity and even combat effectiveness are no longer needed. In Oceania, everything works badly, except the thought police" [1],

– writes Orwell in “1984”.

One can disagree with Orwell and criticize him, pointing out, for example, the rather vague meaning of the concept of “totalitarianism” (which for Orwell is a kind of embodiment of evil), or unfair criticism of socialism. However, for Orwell there were always two socialisms - one that he saw in Republican Spain (which he supported), the other that established by Stalin (which he had a negative attitude towards) [6].

“Socialism, if it means only centralized management and planned production, has in its nature neither democracy nor equality,”

– he wrote in a review of J. Burnham’s book “The Managerial Revolution” [6].

Be that as it may, regardless of our attitude to Orwell’s views (sometimes very contradictory), it should be noted that he created a fairly plausible and gloomy world and correctly identified many trends, especially in the media sphere.

Doctor of Sociological Sciences Mikhail Chernysh in the article “Orwell: an honest word in an era of ideological conflicts,” wondering what the secret of the success of “1984” was, noted that the strength of George Orwell’s works is that he really knew how to look into the future and pose problems before they appeared, and thereby warn about the dangers that threaten societies as technology develops.

“He owes his popularity to the fact that in an era of great confrontations he managed, like few others, to maintain the freedom to say what he thinks, to be himself when it was especially difficult” [2].

Использованная литература:
[1]. George Orwell. "1984".
[2]. Chernysh M. F. Orwell: an honest word in the era of ideological conflicts // World of Russia. T. 30. No. 1. P. 163–172.
[3]. Krasavchenko T. N. The Path to History: How George Orwell entered the canon of world literature.
[4]. Litvyak O. V. The idea of ​​national statehood in J. Orwell’s novel “1984” / O. V. Litvyak, A. S. Kamenchuk. // Modern pedagogical education. – 2021. – No. 3. – P. 213–219.
[5]. Tishakov E.V. State control over science in George Orwell’s novel “1984.” – Materials of the XIV International Student Scientific and Practical Conference “Dialogue of Cultures - Dialogue about Peace and in the Name of Peace” (Komsomolsk-on-Amur, April 21, 2023). – Komsomolsk-on-Amur: AmGPGU, 2023.
[6]. Chalikova V. A. Comments on J. Orwell’s novel “1984” / collection “George Orwell: “1984” and essays from different years.” – Ed. "Progress". – M, 1989.
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  1. +3
    8 October 2023 05: 23
    I read that it is already banned in Belarus, many analogies can be drawn with us too, mainly because the essence of the totalitarian system is described from its dark side
    1. +1
      9 October 2023 03: 55
      It was a fake.
      Link to the Belarusian marketplace: https://oz.by/books/more1081858.html
  2. +1
    8 October 2023 06: 18
    Yes, working for the BBC gave me a lot of experience about the “Ministry of Truth” Yes
    1. 0
      8 October 2023 14: 10
      Quote from: dmi.pris1
      Yes, working for the BBC gave me a lot of experience.

      To British intelligence, not to the BBC.
      D. Orwell just revealed the secret......they can be given intellectual freedom, because they have no intelligence.
    2. +3
      8 October 2023 18: 34
      -Orwell fought on the Aragonese front in the POUM brigade
      I read it half a century ago (at that time you could not only get kicked out of the university, but also sit down for it), during discussions they came to the conclusion that the writer (his Spanish past only confirms this) was a Trotskyist.
      We would have received the regime described in the novel if Lev Davydovich had come to power.
  3. 0
    8 October 2023 06: 45
    You can disagree with Orwell and criticize him, pointing out, for example, the rather vague meaning of the concept of “totalitarianism” (which for Orwell is a kind of embodiment of evil)

    Any state will strive to create institutions of control over its citizens. Or it will simply cease to exist.
    1. +4
      8 October 2023 10: 51
      And a citizen, if he is a Citizen, must resist this. To establish some balance.
      1. -8
        8 October 2023 12: 06
        Quote: Comrade Y
        And a citizen, if he is a Citizen, must resist this.

        so that the state collapses and in its place a chaos of criminal lawlessness arises. Well, the “boys” will very quickly explain to the Citizen his place.
        1. +2
          8 October 2023 19: 01
          Quote: Dart2027
          so that the state collapses and in its place a chaos of criminal lawlessness arises. Well, the “boys” will very quickly explain to the Citizen his place.
          The controlled chaos you promote is no better. In addition, organizing your own squad and putting the “guys” under the knife is easier than destroying the power structures of insolent bureaucrats.
          1. -1
            9 October 2023 17: 08
            Quote: bk0010
            The controlled chaos you promote is no better.

            I remember what happened when he wasn't there.
            Quote: bk0010
            In addition, organize your own squad and put the “boys” under the knife

            Only heroes of books and films can. In real life, everyone sat and was afraid to breathe until the state began to restore order.
            1. 0
              9 October 2023 20: 59
              Quote: Dart2027
              Only heroes of books and films can. In real life, everyone sat and was afraid to breathe until the state began to restore order.
              In real life, as soon as you start to restore order yourself, the state will try to put you in prison if there is no money for bribes.
              1. 0
                9 October 2023 21: 25
                Quote: bk0010
                In real life
                Well, how many “of our own units” were there in the 90s?
                1. 0
                  9 October 2023 23: 20
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Well, how many “of our own units” were there in the 90s?
                  Who knows: they were declared bandits. But judging by the speed of cutting down the bandits, there are quite a lot of them.
                  1. 0
                    11 October 2023 22: 33
                    Quote: bk0010
                    Who knows: they were declared bandits.

                    That is, not at all.
                    Quote: bk0010
                    But judging by the speed of "cutting out" the bandits

                    which began after the government changed and the police and the FSB began to restore order.
    2. +5
      8 October 2023 14: 36
      Quote: Dart2027
      Any state will strive to create institutions of control over its citizens

      Yes. For example, equality of rights is a means of control over those who are “more to the right.” Or, for example, equality of citizens in the face of the law is also an institution of control over citizens. As, in fact, is the patriotic education of the younger generations... Undoubtedly, state ideology, which explains the country’s role in the world order, as well as the goals that the state strives for, is also an institution of control.
      Alas, instead you offer us totalitarianism or criminal lawlessness...
      1. -5
        8 October 2023 15: 56
        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
        For example, equality of rights is a means of control over those who are “more to the right.” Or, for example, equality of citizens in the face of the law is also an institution of control over citizens.

        In real life, this is an unattainable ideal.
        1. +4
          8 October 2023 17: 15
          Quote: Dart2027
          In real life, this is an unattainable ideal.

          Well, yes, the USA and Europe rely solely on totalitarianism :))))
          1. -1
            8 October 2023 20: 19
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            The USA and Europe rely solely on totalitarianism

            Do you believe that there is democracy there?
            1. +2
              9 October 2023 15: 50
              Quote: Dart2027
              Do you believe that there is democracy there?

              You don’t have to believe, you have to know :))) You can, for example, go and live there for a while if you’re really interested.
              Yes, there is democracy there. Not in the ancient Greek style, clearly, and not in the idealistic style, but democracy.
              1. -4
                9 October 2023 17: 06
                Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                Yes, there is democracy there. Not in the ancient Greek style, clearly, and not in the idealistic style, but democracy.

                Democracy either exists or it doesn’t, and then there is an oligarchy.
                1. +2
                  9 October 2023 18: 35
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  Democracy either exists or it doesn’t

                  Dart, you never cease to make me happy :)))) Open up... Well, I don’t know, at least something :)))) But here is the TSB, at least :)))) There you will learn that democracy can be very very different, political and non-political, for example.
                  Quote: Dart2027
                  and there is an oligarchy.

                  And here is another lovely definition of one of the types of democracy
                  Bourgeois democracy (democracy), the most developed historical type of democracy in an exploitative society, is a form of dictatorship of capitalists over the proletariat and other semi-proletarian and non-proletarian working classes and strata of the population. It is characterized by a clear contradiction between the declared “power of the people” and the actual domination of the exploiters. The functions of the institutions of bourgeois democracy are to ensure class domination, guaranteeing the privileges of the exploiting class, to disguise its dominance, to self-consolidate the bourgeois class, and to resolve its intra-class contradictions. This understanding of bourgeois democracy by Marxism-Leninism does not mean an absolutely negative assessment of it.: D., even formally declared, is of significant value, because in the conditions of democracy, the framework of political freedom, public and individual initiative is incomparably wider than in the conditions of authoritarianism and other non-democratic regimes.

                  In general, before you talk about the topic, maybe you... At least master its conceptual apparatus, huh? :)))
                  1. -3
                    9 October 2023 21: 26
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    You will learn that democracy can be very, very different

                    I know you can't be a little pregnant.
                    1. +4
                      10 October 2023 08: 27
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      I know you can't be a little pregnant.

                      This is great, congratulations! You are on the right track, but now you have to learn how democracy differs from pregnancy :)))
                      Dart, the black/white perception of the world is characteristic only of children. And you don’t seem to be a child. Even if the Soviet people - the compilers of the TSB, theorists and practitioners of Marxism-Leninism, for whom the bourgeois system was hostile, they argued that there is democracy in Western countries, and separately noted that it is not similar not only to totalitarianism, but even with authoritarianism (and the latter is softer), that is, a reason to think.
                      I, of course, understand that living in our country, where democracy died before it was really born, God knows how many years ago, it is psychologically easier and calmer to say that others don’t have it, and it’s all a fiction. But ignoring reality is dangerous.
                      1. -2
                        10 October 2023 19: 11
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        and then they claimed that Western countries have democracy

                        But in Soviet times they told me that there was power of the bourgeoisie.
                        Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                        But ignoring reality is dangerous.

                        Well, don't ignore it.
  4. -1
    8 October 2023 07: 08
    Quote: Vadim Kozyakov
    describes the essence of the totalitarian system from its dark side
    Many experts today agree that Orwell described not the underside of the supposedly totalitarian system of the USSR (although not without it), but the future of the United States and its satellites. And he really looked into the future of the “democratic” West, which is confirmed by the events taking place there.
    1. -1
      8 October 2023 12: 31
      Quote: rotmistr60
      ....... not the wrong side of the supposedly totalitarian system of the USSR (although not without it), but the future of the United States and its satellites.....

      I've read about this. Orwell is understood differently by different people.
      But there are also different opinions about Karel Capek’s novel “War with the Newts”! When I read it, I formed the opinion that, having described
      world in the era of fascism
      ,
      in every detail, he created not an anti-fascist, but a pro-fascist world.
  5. +9
    8 October 2023 07: 31
    [B]
    it developed one way or another. However, ideological restrictions were indeed imposed on it[
    /b] Now, in particular in Russia, there are no ideological restrictions, literature is developing by leaps and bounds?
    1. +2
      8 October 2023 11: 01
      ...in Russia there are no ideological restrictions...

      Can you tell us more about the absence of ideological restrictions in Russia?
      And besides restrictions, there are other factors. Something like this:
      fooling the population,
      population reduction, as a result of which there will simply be physically fewer people capable of writing,
      an increase in the percentage of the population engaged in survival, as a result of which there will be even fewer such people.
      1. +1
        8 October 2023 12: 40
        It is now known that it was after the Revolution of 1917 that the rapid development of various forms of art began in our country, many new names appeared, which later became internationally significant. A variety of styles in painting, architecture, sculpture, grandiose construction projects, new printing methods, propaganda posters, of course, music, literature..... Neither before nor since, there was such diversity. And, mind you, these are the years that today liberalism calls the years of terror and the death of the most talented people!
  6. +3
    8 October 2023 08: 19
    We have reached a period when the arsenal of human stupidity has reached great potential. This is not only the work of the mentioned author. Following him, everyone rushed to “improve” the earth. Here are nightmares, here are comics, here is digitalization. And even a pandemic is on the same page only for one purpose - so that a person stops thinking, guided by reality. To help this, grandmother’s addictions to various types of miracles. All this will continue until the roast rooster pecks in one place. And then we will remember that bread does not grow thanks to various kinds of slander. And thanks to Mother Nature.
  7. 0
    8 October 2023 08: 47
    When cohabitation is called a civil marriage, although a civil marriage is a marriage registered in the registry office, and a male dog is called a boy, and a female dog is called a girl, although in our language there are clear names for this category of animals, it is not surprising that the distortion of concepts creeps into the usual life from all sides
  8. +2
    8 October 2023 09: 06
    I thought a little about “ideological intolerance within the republic itself, purges and reprisals against those who had the courage to defend an independent political opinion.” Not all of the nationalists fought for Franco’s dictatorship, there were many heterogeneous elements, but Franco crushed everyone under him, but the Republicans could not, scatter and vacillation was present from beginning to end.

    In Russia, the Bolsheviks extinguished everyone, even the Socialist Revolutionaries; the whites had a hodgepodge of them from the Black Hundreds to the pink socialists. It seems that the less pluralism, the more successful the struggle for one’s ideals.
    1. -1
      8 October 2023 12: 49
      Quote: Artem Savin
      ...... the Republicans could not, there was scatter and vacillation.......

      Not certainly in that way. It was not the Republicans who failed, but the world-famous “demon of the Revolution”, expelled from the USSR, seeing how power was slipping from his hands, he struck from around the corner! Subsequently, already in the USSR itself, a similar blow was dealt by the corn farmer and his henchmen.
      1. 0
        8 October 2023 17: 12
        Quote: Reptiloid
        Not certainly in that way. It was not the Republicans who failed, but the world-famous “demon of the Revolution”, expelled from the USSR, seeing how power was slipping from his hands, he struck from around the corner!

        Before you write something like this, you should at least graduate from university!
        1. 0
          8 October 2023 19: 04
          Quote: kalibr
          Before you write something like this, you should at least graduate from university!
          Do not.
  9. +12
    8 October 2023 10: 11
    In my humble opinion, both Orwell and the Strugatskys did not describe any specific system (socialist, capitalist, etc.) in their magnificent works. They, in their genius, were able to look into the future of humanity as a whole. They were able to catch the trends that were moving the governments of all countries on all continents 50-100 years in advance.
    As a child, I read all this as entertaining reading, it was funny and interesting what else they would come up with.
    And now I’m re-reading it and it’s becoming a little creepy. The authors really managed to look into the future, and I categorically do not like it.
    Where is Jules Verne with his flights to the moon and submarines..
    1. +2
      8 October 2023 16: 20
      The Strugatskys have a novel, “The Second Invasion of the Martians.” Very pessimistic, describes the degradation of society, and its natural consequence is the annexation of Martian blue-skinned humanoids (but not people!)
      But Kir Bulychev surpassed them!!! I once bought several of his volumes and CDs as a souvenir of my childhood. And I was shocked! Some of his works are typically socialist. Others describe a different social system. And some, clearly written for children (as intended by the author), should not be read by children under 18 years of age under any circumstances! Some kind of undisguised gloating, and a desire to torment both the heroes and young readers! And the most pessimistic is the novel "Favorite". The Strugatskys are nervously smoking on the sidelines!
      1. +1
        8 October 2023 16: 31
        Quote: Reptiloid
        And the most pessimistic is the novel "Favorite". The Strugatskys are nervously smoking on the sidelines!

        Dima, this is because........ the world has been taken over by reptilians! one continuous Reptilian Day.
        1. 0
          8 October 2023 18: 47
          Ay, ay, ay, Vladimir! hi I didn't expect this from you crying wassat And I thought that you, as a person older than me, and who knows a lot, reads a lot, would write something about Literature, and perhaps about science fiction, but you are just the opposite! request
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            8 October 2023 19: 01
            So, after all, Kir Bulychev wrote about reptilians, the Strugatskys didn’t think of this before, and nervously lit a cigarette.
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      8 October 2023 20: 50
      So far, flowers. So far, only neural interfaces implanted into the brain are being tested on monkeys. Artificial wombs for growing people (or cyborgs?) are just being tested. And the main testing of “Big Brother” technologies has so far only been fully developed in China. What the person of the future will be like is a big question. It is clear that technocrats dream of a small society controlled by buttons, controlled by technology, serving them. They are well-read people, they have probably read Isaac Asimov, and the idea of ​​an entire planet inhabited by a select few and served by cyborgs with AI probably really appealed to them.
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      11 October 2023 00: 20
      Yes, the Strugatskys’ book “Predatory Things of the Century” describes the future consumer society very well. With all the strange oddities: discos, drugs, extreme adrenaline junkies (fishermen in the book), anti-globalists (intels) with their stupid fight against philistinism and even... narcotic “bath salts”!
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    8 October 2023 10: 48
    What George Orwell wanted to tell us

    Like all scribblers, he just wanted to monetize his writing.
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    8 October 2023 11: 13
    A lot of what has been described is being used right now in our country. Maybe that’s it, it’s just far from 50g, we didn’t have time to bring it to ideal (according to the novel)
    Alas. nothing can be fixed. You should read it before it's banned...
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    8 October 2023 16: 40
    An interesting literary work appears.
    And after the author has left the voter list, those appear who explain what the author meant.
    A little time will pass, and there will be those who explain what the first generation of explainers meant.
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    8 October 2023 20: 07
    Thanks to the author for covering this still relevant topic! Its topicality is confirmed, among other things, by the coordinated and specific focus of many comments here and in Zenn.
    As a result, a picture is observed that is somewhat similar to that described by Nosov in the book “Dunno on the Moon”...
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    8 October 2023 20: 19
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: Comrade Y
    And a citizen, if he is a Citizen, must resist this.

    so that the state collapses and in its place a chaos of criminal lawlessness arises. Well, the “boys” will very quickly explain to the Citizen his place.
    winked Something like this?! Moscow. October 7th.
    INTERFAX.RU - The head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, believes that in Russia, during the period of a special military operation, the presidential elections should be canceled, or a single candidate should be nominated for them.
    “The Russian people must express a unanimous opinion on the abolition of elections during the Northern Military District, or there must be a single candidate in these elections,” Kadyrov wrote in his Telegram channel, commenting on the one held in Grozny on the occasion of the birthday of Russian President Vladimir Putin.
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    8 October 2023 21: 54
    - It’s probably worth noting that there’s something else in Orwell’s book...
    - The pointlessness of any political struggle, since the Resistance is a product of special services, and a trap for dissidents.
    - General denunciation, making any violation of rules and laws impossible.
    - The pointlessness of committing terrorist attacks, because... power is not personalized but exercised by the bureaucracy as a whole.
    - And, interestingly, closeness to the authorities means ever-increasing restrictions in all manifestations of life... Hard workers - proles - are in every way freer than party functionaries... request
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    9 October 2023 08: 11
    thirdly, states must maintain a balance, enter into more and more new alliances with a certain periodicity in order to prevent the complete unification of two states against a third
    Alliances with whom?!)) There are only three states, and as soon as it is possible to conclude at least one alliance, it automatically turns out that two states unite against the third, which immediately leads to the collapse of history.
    Or do they have one purple for three of them, some have a tail, others have a head, and others have a belly? I read this hat a long time ago, I don’t remember anything...
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    11 October 2023 00: 17
    And now the drying out of the sphere of social protection - healthcare or education - becomes “optimization”, bringing the corresponding area to its optimal, supposedly necessary state.

    Something reminds me of Russian medicine...
    Although there is such a thing in Sweden, it’s even called by the same word.
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    11 October 2023 14: 05
    The power of George Orwell's works is that he really knew how to look into the future

    This is mistake. Orwell did not foresee anything and did not look into the future. He created a world that appealed to those people who believe that they control the world. And they are trying to build just such a world. In fact, Orwell wrote a manual for globalists, or rather for the US Democratic Party.
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    12 October 2023 00: 20
    Some Orwell scholars believe that this sudden change of enemy and ally of Oceania parodies the sudden change in Soviet propaganda towards Nazi Germany in 1939 and a similar change in German propaganda towards the USSR during the same period, and then the reverse jump on June 22 1941.

    But at the same time, not a single researcher will notice that such a change in the image of the “enemy” described in the novel is also similar to... Great Britain itself!
    During the entire 20s and 30s, she built the image of the USSR as a force created to take over the whole world. And she described the fascist forces and parties emerging in Europe as a possible or even necessary force for counteraction. When I was flirting with local fascists. When Czechoslovakia was given over to Germany, but it was considered dangerous if Soviet volunteers defended Czechoslovakia. And then the Second World War, and suddenly we had to quickly build the image of dangerous dictators out of Hitler and Mussolini - although just yesterday they were supported or were friendly neutral. But the image was made crooked because they tried to stick it to their own image of the Soviet Union. Then active comparisons between Germany and the USSR began (which the Winter War and the division of Poland only helped). And just as he attacked us, in a short time it became clear that even in case of victory he would suffer heavy losses - just as they began to build us into “Ivan’s good ally.” And in every possible way they built out of us a new image of a friend who has always been there, there were just “misunderstandings” before. But time passed, Hitler was no more, WWII ended, and again the USSR began to be shown in its old image. And now, the Nazis are being turned into good enemies, who became enemies “by misunderstanding.” Moreover, Hitler, whose name was still a household name in WWII, is still called a bastard unworthy of forgiveness. But his ideas, his plans, his colleagues from the leadership of the Reich or the Axis (we remember how we talked about Mussolini and his “third way”) are already being whitewashed.
    So, in less than a century, the two forces changed their descriptions in propaganda twice.
    But this is not a problem of totalitarianism - something in the democratic United States also liked to change attitudes towards different groups. Then the terrorists of the Middle East are “People’s militias that are fighting dictatorship.” And when they themselves came under their attacks, the media made them out to be such fiends that the “rebels” themselves were surprised at what atrocities they were prescribed.

    I think that such blatant propaganda comes from a country with any system of government (from democracy to dictatorship), but with one important fact - in the leadership of the country, or close to it, there is a layer of wealthy citizens with a large number of connections. And this group uses these resources to always guarantee its existence and influence. And to maintain the stability of the existence of this group, they mainly interact only with each other. Their children study with each other, in the same places where their parents studied and where they are taught the same things as their parents, and the places of study and work themselves are supported by the same group. So they are isolated into their own cohort for which the interests of the people are only one of the variables that can be manipulated to support themselves.
    Sounds like a conspiracy theory! As soon as I name this group, many will understand that this group exists in almost every country, but this group is especially strong in countries with many resources or production. And this group is representatives of big capital and their service areas!
    Look at the lives of major politicians and businessmen - these are not particularly large groups meeting around building a business system. In Russia, this is one large group built mainly around the oil and gas complex (but also affects other industries, just oil and gas, which is the largest in share). There were 2 in Ukraine. One was built around an industrial complex in the southeast with exports to the east. And the second was built around agriculture and financial transactions, it was focused on Western exports.
    In the USA there are 2 very close groups, which over the last 100 years have reached a balance in which they act together in foreign policy, and compete only in domestic policy within specified limits.
    The UK and Germany each have one large capitalized group, which is why the course of foreign policy there has not changed over the past 40 years, despite the change of prime ministers (because the circles of national capital remained the same)
    But it seems that what I am saying is nonsense, because it cannot be that the rich would jointly maintain their wealth and use their resources to influence or put pressure on the politics of countries. It's nonsense... or...