And where are you going, Russia?

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And where are you going, Russia?

Photo by Dmitry Dukhanin / Kommersant


Indeed, what is on Russian minds today? Especially those that are truly Russia, and not the “golden troika” of Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg? I would say that processes that are not entirely clear are taking place, and many are trying to understand and realize them.



Just the other day, the head of our VTsIOM, the central body for researching public opinion of Russians, spoke with an interesting phrase. It is difficult to say how effective the work of this institute is in general, but if Fedorov realized that everything was somehow wrong, then the matter is even more interesting than it seems.

What did Fedorov say, but most importantly, what did he not say?



Photo Vladimir Trefilov / RIA News

He said the following: 20 million Russians “withdrew into themselves” against the backdrop of what was happening in the country. That is, roughly speaking, they abstract themselves from the general flow of life and try to convince themselves that nothing like that is happening.

These 20 million mainly live in the cities mentioned above: Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yekaterinburg. That is, according to the head of VTsIOM (and his opinion is supported by constant surveys of the population), people “withdraw into themselves.”

This can be translated as “becomes not caring about what is happening.”

For once, I agree with the government representative, because I myself conduct such surveys from time to time. Here, in the personal “VO”, in the city, I have now also connected one social network. Yes, of course, it cannot be compared with the work of VTsIOM, there are a maximum of a hundred people here, but this is also a cross-section of society. And yes, indeed, I observe this, a certain touch of indifference. And mainly, it is expressed in the question “Well, how is it...?”

The question here is not even who to believe in the reports and who not. Absolutely not, the Telegram is full of information of a very different nature, with videos, with comments and so on.

Do not want. It’s easier to ask, get (if you’re lucky) a short squeeze and that’s it.

And this is observed not only in the capital, we have plenty of it too. Even among us, those who are close to the events. Not as a reproach to those who live in Yekaterinburg, Tyumen and Tomsk. It's quiet there. Ours is not very good. And what’s going on in the Belgorod and Bryansk regions - almost nothing is shown about it on TV, but this has not made the number of people flying in less. Local news is no different from reports in terms of what has arrived and where this time.


And everyone, in general, doesn’t care. We got used to it in a year and a half, there’s nothing you can do about it. But what to do if the end of the SVO is not visible, even if you look through a stereo tube? So they don’t look. They will start if the next stage of mobilization is announced.

Here Fedorov made another interesting point. And it’s also difficult to partially disagree with him. We do not have a united Russia. I'm not talking about the party, if anything, I'm talking about the country. According to Fedorov, we have “Warring Russia”, “Leaving Russia”, “Capital Russia” and “Deep Russia”. Model from the executive director of Minchenko Consulting Evgenia Stulova. Minchenko Consulting is generally a very advanced company in terms of studying and predicting interactions between different audiences.

True, about "Russia that has left" - well, this is too much. This is not Russia, these are elements that have come from Russia separately. Some of them will not even return, some will then slowly crawl away. Yes, one and a half million escaped people is a lot, but not Russia. These are people who live exclusively for themselves and, by and large, they will live like this all their lives. It doesn’t matter where, in Turkey or Georgia. They will smoke other people's skies with a Russian passport until they can. To grovel for visa extensions, to look for work, but this is their choice. They are not for Russia, they are for themselves. Almost like our athletes at the Olympic Games of previous years. Under a white flag, without an anthem and paraphernalia. People from nowhere.

"Russia at war" - everything is clear here too. This is part "Deep Russia". All these stories that Moscow and St. Petersburg were mobilized along with other cities are a fairy tale purer than those about non-stealing construction officials. Well, “Deep Russia” is, in fact, the real Russia.

Oh yes, "Capital Russia" forgot to mention. According to Fedorov, these are “beneficiaries of their former well-fed life.” Although for some (like Senator Narusova, who generally travels abroad to unfriendly countries without any problems and sees nothing wrong with it), she is not so “old.” Everything is just fine with them, business is going well, the sea in Spain and France is still warm, and the wines are sweet.

Well, our so-called “middle class” of the capital’s bourgeoisie – yes, it exists. And for him, only one issue is important, which, I am sure, has already been resolved by many. This is a question on the agenda from the military registration and enlistment office. A question that concerns them personally, again in terms of their own safety. And while he doesn’t stand up straight, these people also don’t really care about what’s happening in the “newly acquired territories.” If they care about these processes, it is only in terms of making money from it. And if the work is not connected, then there is nothing to think about.

This, by the way, is very well manifested in the same social networks. There are people who don’t care what’s happening in Ukraine, and there are those who are on fire. It is clear that the latter have a greater connection with events for a variety of reasons.

But mostly there is indifference in the minds. Even here, not so far from the line, whatever you call it, it will still be the front line on which our people die every day.

Why? It's simple: a lot of work has been done


Let's look at the calendar:

year 2014. Crimea, Novorossiya, general upsurge, unity even with officials, we are silent about ratings. Together with the rally tricolors they rushed to heaven.


In 2018, a recession began, caused by the so-called “pension reform”. Everything fell very well for everyone, except for the most inveterate optimists and those who were not concerned.

2019 The global crisis has reached Russia, and it has begun here too. The birth rate collapsed, but we saw the dollar at 85 rubles.

2020 They gave us a pandemic. Russia learned the price of its healthcare and found out the level of sanity and competence of managers in the regions. And this continued until July 1, 2022, when the pandemic was canceled. But then another test began.

2022 SVO. And that’s it, these three letters are more than enough, nothing needs to be explained.

And in 2023, having myself experienced Pavlov’s reform, “Pavlov’s Day”, when the population of our country was first robbed brazenly and without hiding, 1998, when the sky fell to earth financially, and well, and everything else on the list, I notice that Yes, we are starting to get stale. Absolutely calm, just under the yoke of a series of these experiments, I don’t know why they were carried out.

This calmness is akin to dullness, the kind when you haven’t really slept for a couple of nights and the world around you begins to “ring.” He who knows, understands. Apparently, the nerves are already starting to get used to everything, but we can’t say that this is good.

And people begin to vote... in a peculiar way. Some kick, running away as far as possible, and some are not even going to return. And some, excuse me, the reproductive organs. As proof, I’ll just give you a plate from Rosstat, everything is perfectly shown on it and even a forecast is given.


It is clear that if Rosstat calculated this, then it reported where necessary. And there, obviously, they began to think, because suddenly (and with us everything is as usual with a broken dam) almost calls began from all levels of government: give birth!

It looked especially fun when presented by State Duma deputies, who are in our most fertile age: from 60 to 80. But, I must say, everything was designed quite beautifully, I even want to believe that this is a necessary thing.

Yes, somehow, uniting, rallying (around the president, naturally), giving birth, winning - this is how Russia’s strength will be restored, and all that in accordance with the program.

Do you believe it? So I'm not very good.

Our laws


We recently discussed the sensational case of a certain Nikita Zhuravel. The stupidest story performed by a young fool, but suddenly turned around and exposed, oddly enough, the Russians in the most unsightly form.

I won’t discuss or evaluate the actions of the Kadyrovs at all; they were both within their rights. Here the question is rather for the investigation, and therefore for Bastrykin regarding the correct understanding of Articles 32 and 35 of the Code of Criminal Procedure of the Russian Federation. That is, in fact, Kadyrov Sr. could have been denied the transfer of Zhuravel absolutely legally. And then the Kadyrovs would simply have to ride to Volgograd to start a fight there. But Ramzan Akhmatovich was not refused, and therefore now everything is happening in the Chechen Republic.

Well, it is clear that now it is unlikely that anyone else in Russia will risk burning the Koran, even for money. And this is good, because burning the Koran, Bible, Torah, and so on is provocative nonsense. For which, by the way, punishment is provided in accordance with the article of the Law, and not according to the concepts of Adam Kadyrov.

Something else surprised me. I was surprised by the reaction on the Internet to this case. I was simply amazed how many people with seemingly Russian names and surnames wrote things that made my hair stand on end:

- Everything is correct, Adam Kadyrov is right! There was no need to burn the Koran, this is a holy book for Muslims!
- That’s how it should be, but no one else will dare! This is not Europe!
“I don’t approve of Adam’s action, but I understand.
- Normal crime prevention in our time!

On our pages I wanted to get into a fight in one of the articles devoted to the Zhuravel case, but somehow I restrained myself. I just wanted to recommend that you familiarize yourself with the crime rate in countries with the death penalty and draconian laws. China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Korea - the legislation there is much harsher than ours, but there are also more criminals. Off the charts, I would say.

What's wrong here? Yes, that this is our Russian juvenile fool who did something stupid. And he is obliged to answer for her according to OUR laws, and not according to the wishes of an individual minor major, who has no jurisdiction for this very reason, who decided to wave his arms and legs. Dad allowed...

A small example of how the state simply “surrendered” its citizen contrary to its own laws. And the citizens of the state justified and approved this. And this is where I see the problem. Moreover, nationwide.

We have become capable of betraying anyone and anything. And calmly justify this.

Is Zhuravel something new? Oh no. This is old. For all thirty years of the history of this Russia, we have been doing nothing but simply justifying things elegantly. Everything that happened in the country and with the country. Pension reform, changes to the Constitution, attitude towards Russians around the world, taxes, immunity of our officials and so on. Everyone knows everything without me.

I won’t give many examples, but I really want one. There is such a political movement, “Patriots of Russia”. It is headed by a rather strange man, Gennady Semigin. We'll see why it's strange a little later.

"Patriots of Russia"



And we have the Patriots of Russia party. It was, more precisely. Semigin created it in 2005 and called it “an independent party of responsible opposition.” And in 2021, the Patriots of Russia party merged into a new party with the parties A Just Russia and For Truth. In principle, everything is clear.

And in July 2021, Semigin established the all-Russian public movement “PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA”, became its leader, chairman of the Central Council. Well, and a State Duma deputy at the same time.

Why do I write in such detail, almost making an advertisement? But because since these are “PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA” (everything is as in the source, all letters are capitalized), then it’s worth looking at what kind of patriotism is being preached.

On September 29, Semigin (in the text, as you can see, signed by “patriots of Russia” there is “I”) on behalf of his movement issued a statement that simply cannot be ignored line by line. In my opinion, it simply perfectly demonstrates everything that was written above. The link to the text was at the end of the article, I am attaching a screenshot, since the text, naturally, was deleted on October 2.

Spelling has been preserved intentionally.


Recently a video was released where the son of the head of the Chechen Republic, Adam Kadyrov, applies special measures of influence to a detainee on charges of burning the Koran. This caused a wave of discontent among the patriotic community, and some provocateurs even started talking about a third Chechen war.

I believe that Nikita Zhuravlev is a traitor. A traitor who sold his homeland for 3 kopecks, collaborated with the Ukrainian special services and tried to shake up the situation in the Islamic regions of our country. And traitors are dealt with according to the laws of war, so, as Adam Delimkhanov said: “Kadyrov’s son acted humanely, leaving the arsonist of the Koran alive.”

It’s interesting, but where do we get “martial laws” in our country? Did we miss something? As far as I know, there is no “war time” in the country, martial law has not been introduced, where does this come from? Based on what?

In addition, whether Zhuravel is a traitor or not, this is not decided by Semigin, or whoever wrote this text. It is not so important, in principle, who wrote, it is written on behalf of the movement, where Semigin is the first person, he must answer. But this will be decided by the court.

It is also worth noting that he didn’t really beat him, he gave him a couple of slaps in the face, which is more than humane. And this will be a lesson for other traitors, and before burning relay cabinets on the railway, or importing Drones to the territory of Russia, will think ten times whether he wants to end up in a pre-trial detention center in Grozny.

That is, all arsonists of relay cabinets will be taken to Grozny? “Patriots of Russia” have reached an agreement? And there Adam Kadyrov, not sparing his health, will work for the benefit of re-education? Well, I sympathize with him in advance, because the situation with the cabinets is really tense. They are burning. So the idea is sound, by the way.

And the fact that Adam Kadyrov did the right thing is shown by today’s meeting of the President with the head of the Chechen Republic, as a result of which a new mosque will appear in Moscow.

I won’t even discuss this, it’s nonsense.

Today, more than ever, we need to unite and not make liberal snot about the fact that traitors must be dealt with “according to the law”, that the transfer of a criminal by order of Ramzan Akhmatovich to Chechnya is contrary to the laws of the Russian Federation, and even more so to support statements on account of hypothetical situations, “What would happen if a Muslim burned the Bible.” All these arguments create a split in our ranks, and make us forget that our real enemy is in Ukraine, in Washington and London. In wartime there is only one law, the law of war.

Well, yes, very familiar, right? “Don’t rock the boat”, don’t look at the violation of laws, the Kadyrovs are not our enemies, let them do what they want. In general, pseudo-patriotic speculation, right according to the text of the statement. The main thing is to unite and not think about anything at all. And everything is again justified by “war time”.

But the masterpiece is at the very end. I’ll highlight it in bold so that it reaches everyone.

If every Russian soldier defended his ideals as uncompromisingly as the son of Ramzan Akhmatovich, then perhaps the Akhmat battalion would not have to kick the soldiers of the Russian Armed Forces onto the battlefield.

That is, Mr. Semigin, a deputy of the State Duma of three convocations, holding the position of (ATTENTION!!!) Chairman of the Committee of the State Duma of the Federal Assembly of the Russian Federation on Nationalities, co-chairman of the party “A Just Russia - Patriots - For Truth”, in direct text on the website of his public -political movement suggests that the fighters of the Chechen unit “Akhmat” perform the role of barrier detachments in the Northern Military District.

That is, the heroic fighters of the Chechen people are kicking the cowards from the Russian army into fighting. In general, after these words, anyone who feels Russian has the right to write a statement to the Prosecutor General's Office of Russia under an article about discrediting the Russian army. And the soldiers of the Akhmat regiment. Some were clearly discredited, about others they wrote obvious lies, that is, fake.

These are the kind of patriots we have today. These are the types of deputies we have. This is how everything is somehow in our country.

And most importantly, it was on Semigin’s website 4 day. And no one moved anywhere. And only when the famous Russian blogger Sergei Kolyasnikov (Zergulio) wrote to the Prosecutor General’s Office, Semigin immediately became more active. The post was deleted, denials began, cries about hacking and all that.

The website of the All-Russian public movement “Patriots of Russia” was hacked. The attackers did not just bring down the resource, but posted a fake message on behalf of the movement’s press service with provocative assessments of the participation of a Russian soldier in a special military operation. (TG channel of G. Semigin).

It's a lie, you know. The resource was not destroyed; on October 2, you could easily go in and take a screenshot. Which is what I did.

I officially declare that the press service of the movement, like myself, have nothing to do with the messages posted on September 30, 2023.

Well, yes, only the statement was posted on September 29. And everything is so beautiful. For four days, no one had anything to do with the fact that something like this was posted on a “patriotic” website. Somehow, I don’t have much faith in the Ukrainian special services; the game is not worth the candle, in my opinion.

These are the kind of patriots we sometimes have.

But Mr. Semigin generally has a terrible mess in his patriotic statements. In order not to be unfounded, here is another pearl from the main patriot of Russia.


Does anything bother you? So I am confused by the absence of the Kherson region in the list, but the presence of Kharkov region in the first paragraph. This is also probably the machinations of enemies? No, of course not. They just work carelessly. In patriotic broadcasting, the main thing is not the thoughtfulness of phrases, but the volume and number of exclamation marks.

In fact, nothing particularly terrible happened. Some trainee party member wrote a highly spiritual appeal on the 29th, whoever needed it saw it, especially in Chechnya, they counted it. Four days later it turned out to be the work of the enemy. It happens... But from such bricks a wall is formed, behind which the whole country little by little finds itself. A wall of alienation and rejection. And this is a very significant merit of our “patriots”.

Have you ever thought, dear readers, about how ugly everything looks here? Especially in terms of these calls to “close ranks and rally around”? And find yourself in some kind of reservation, isolated from the whole world. After all, it turns out, in the opinion of such patriots, that the whole world is hostile to us. And this really seems to be true. We have 1 (ONE) ally left, this is Belarus. All. The rest are either enemies or simply make great money from us, like Iran, India, China. And China also manages to maintain sanctions by blocking the flow of drones into the country. But they take gas and oil with pleasure.

India generally increased gasoline exports by 142% from last year. Made from Russian oil. Business…

Excuses


Trying to look from the outside, you can see how patriotically we become enemies of the whole world. But that's only half the problem. We Russians calmly began to surrender our own people and learned to justify it very well. What does it mean to “surrender your own” - let everyone find an example for themselves. For me personally, an example was the evacuation of residents of the Kherson region, who were simply abandoned there. And then I had to read how pro-Russian residents who could not leave because they simply did not know that Russia, which came forever, was leaving within XNUMX hours. And they turned out to be to blame for this. These pensioners had to go to the administration every day and check whether Russia was here or what.

I would like Russia to return there. But these people will no longer be there. Unfortunately. These were wonderful people.

We have learned to justify everything. Modernization of the Yeltsin Constitution, written in the USA, pension “reform”, growth of housing and communal services and fuel prices, abandoned Russians in Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan (Why would they? They would have abandoned everything and come. In a year they will become citizens), migration policy, when parts of Russia are like Kotelnikov become parts of Tajikistan with everyone leaving, theft in the army, when volunteers buy military equipment on Avito and return them to the hands of the fighters, everything.

Well, if someone cannot explain something in the correct way, there is Yura Podolyaka, who will put everything in its place. The main thing is to unite and not rock the boat.

It’s just that what will happen at the end is a little unclear. But I think in due time the right patriots will explain to us.

And tell me, how many people in the world want to support people like us? Well, every day less and less. Indeed, it is not NATO that is moving to the East, but the East, without looking back, rushing into the arms of NATO. And now Serbia is voting at the UN for anti-Russian resolutions, Bulgaria, following others, bans the entry of Russian cars, practically closing the European door. I’m deliberately not talking about the republics of the former USSR; we owe everything there in life and everything in that vein. The exceptions are indeed Belarus and Azerbaijan, and even then, the latter only because Turkey is still cooperating with us. Beneficial for them.

The rest of our exes see us exclusively as weaklings who can and should be ignored. Even the same Azerbaijanis who calmly shot our peacekeepers who saw too much, knew that nothing would happen to them for this.

Excuses are for the weak. They justified the space program that collapsed with Luna-25, they justified the murder of culture, education, medicine...

This is where all the powerlessness lies - the authorities are silent, they don’t need to say anything, but the masses will come up with everything they need for themselves. And the Podolyaks and their henchmen work. They are working on the content.

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I know that we have people who, in the first lines of their comments, will say that everything is as always: everything is gone, the author is in his repertoire. I would be happy to be wrong, but alas, the overall picture is rather bleak. However, this, as they say, understanding the situation is a matter for each individual person. Personally, I find it very unpleasant to understand that they are creating a kind of reservation for us, where you and I will live in complete or almost complete isolation. But the saddest thing is that we drive ourselves into this reservation, justifying everything, abandoning our own, betraying our own, forgetting our own.

Perhaps Fedorov did not even accurately estimate the numbers, and the number of people who abstract themselves from this world for themselves is even greater than his experts counted. But this is definitely not better; there is no prospect for us in this.
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  1. +71
    4 October 2023 04: 40
    I know that we have people who, in the first lines of their comments, will say that everything is as always: everything is gone, the author is in his repertoire. I would be happy to be wrong, but alas, the overall picture is rather bleak

    And I see such people and communicate with them every day, for whom every tomorrow seems worse than yesterday. Those who survived the chaos and redistribution of the 90s and thought that all the bad things were behind them, hoping to somehow adapt to a new life in new conditions. But, as it turned out, the successors of EBN’s reorganization of Russia left them neither hopes nor ways to “live happily ever after”...
    It is precisely because we learned the predictable end of financial pyramids and became directly acquainted with the bestial grin of capitalism, “which the Bolsheviks talked about for so long,” that we stopped believing in the fairy tales of various talkers. What to do if hopelessness lies ahead:
    1. +45
      4 October 2023 06: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      What to do if hopelessness lies ahead:

      Reminded:
      -Doctor, can I have a beer?
      -What beer !!!
      -And in the future?
      -What is the future !!!
      1. +17
        4 October 2023 17: 58
        It seems like you read the comments, observe - well, one cannot help but say that people are completely incapable of looking with their eyes and seeing. But for some reason they cannot take the completely logical and obvious last step and come to the conclusion that all the same people who never acted and did not behave in accordance with what they carried from the boxes - maybe they are the same all the time They lied and lied about the inherent hostility of the West and its desire to destroy Russia, huh? I understand why this thought is difficult - because you have to throw away half the picture of the world and admit that all this time you have been successfully fooled and played on your resentment. It's hard to accept. It takes a lot of courage. And you have to come up with some kind of props in your head, about the wars of their bourgeoisie with our post-bourgeois, props that are simply invented on the fly according to the principle “if it saves the picture of the world, then that’s how it is.” But without the last step, you will have to live your whole life in a little world where there is literally not a single friendly country, where everyone dreams of destroying you (for far-fetched absurd reasons), and there is a native state that talks about all this, but does not behave like that at all , as if what he said was even half the truth. There is no hope in such a world and it is very difficult to live, but the native state is very happy, because people driven to despair see no other way except to rally around it once again, reluctantly and with disgust. Well, why not drive them to despair, in such and such a situation.
        1. -11
          4 October 2023 21: 25
          I am Russian to the whole world for evil.
          As long as Russia exists, those in power all over the world will hate it.
          As for the situation inside, life in the outback is hopeless. But the monks pray for Russia in the monasteries, which means that all is not lost. The era of EBN and its .... receiver will disappear into nowhere very soon. Russia will rise from the ashes like a phoenix.
          "We'll take Manhattan and then Berlin"
          The Russian lighthouse will illuminate the new path of life.
          1. +6
            5 October 2023 14: 44
            Quote: kombin23
            "We'll take Manhattan and then Berlin"

            What a difficult route. Or are you in Canada, is it more convenient from there? :-)
            1. -1
              9 October 2023 22: 22
              Quote: kombin23 "We will take Manhattan, and then Berlin"
              What a difficult route. Or are you in Canada, is it more convenient from there? :-)
              That’s right: on missile-carrying nuclear icebreakers we will pass through the Northern Canadian Sea Route, and while they are waiting for us in the English Channel and the North Sea, we will land troops in Manhattan... and after the fall of the “White House”, the European Union capitulates in Berlin on May 9, 202 ...of the year
        2. +12
          4 October 2023 21: 51
          Quote: Commissar Kitten
          Maybe they just constantly lied and are lying about the inherent hostility of the West and its desire to destroy Russia, huh?

          Well, yes, yes... Tell stories! Also tell me that it’s not Biden (and Obama before him) who shits in Russian doorways.
          What else can you think of? That NATO has no plan to seize Russian territory and populate our dying villages with LGBT blacks?
          Remember how Europe bought our hydrocarbons at high prices in order to keep Russia as a raw material power. This is not like now, when China buys at bargain prices to support the reviving Russian industry, such as the Moskvich plant.
          Quote: Commissar Kitten
          There is no hope in such a world and it is very difficult to live

          You underestimate "the entire depth of our depths." Above comment, kombin23 “Russian to spite the whole world”, will not suffer in such a world. He will enjoy it. And there are enough such clippers in Russia.
          1. +2
            5 October 2023 14: 12
            Quote: Hyperion
            Also tell me that it’s not Biden (but Obama before him) who shits in Russian doorways.

            It’s okay, now Trump will return, everything will be clean :-)
          2. +3
            5 October 2023 14: 43
            Quote: Hyperion
            will not suffer in such a world. He will enjoy it.

            He will suffer. But he will enjoy this suffering. Because he will have no one to envy, everyone suffers.
        3. 0
          5 October 2023 17: 45
          It seems like you read the comments, observe - well, one cannot help but say that people are completely incapable of looking with their eyes and seeing.
          If you had written the author’s theses in the comments, you would have been given a full Panama hat... of minuses and labels. And if this is written in an article on the site, then the same people agree with the article. This is the psychology of local forum members.
        4. 0
          8 October 2023 21: 18
          D. Orwell "1984", "Animal Farm", Zamyatin's novel "We" to help. And yet they play on feelings of dissatisfaction and anger, as has been the case throughout human history almost everywhere. But to be or not to be a “breeding ground” for various social systems, dictatorships, oligarchies, “growers” ​​is already an explicit or implicit (unconscious) choice of everyone. The strong do not need to fall to the “boot” of the owner and join the opinion of the majority.
    2. +20
      4 October 2023 06: 44
      Going inward isn't such a bad thing. You still can't change reality.
      1. +79
        4 October 2023 07: 40
        The old Bolsheviks did not think so. And they - however, managed to change reality! And how...

        It’s just time to understand that our Motherland is ruled by the real enemies of the people. Whose interests are not at odds with ours. And while they are there, at the top, the further they go, the worse it will become. The structure needs to be changed. Bring back Soviet power. We have no other option, unless of course we want to survive as a country and people.
        1. +40
          4 October 2023 08: 05
          Quote: paul3390
          The structure needs to be changed. Bring back Soviet power. We have no other option, unless of course we want to survive as a country and people.

          As long as capitalists play a dominant role in a country, order cannot be expected. Now a simple working person is deprived of all rights, and the law and the court are on the side of the rich, they have no jurisdiction.
          1. +53
            4 October 2023 08: 34
            a simple working person is deprived of all rights

            The worst thing is not even this, but the fact that our children and grandchildren now have no future... A bright one, for sure. It is very sad to realize that your descendants will live worse than you, and you are to blame for this.
            1. +8
              4 October 2023 08: 58
              What do you mean? This is the fault of the generation that missed the outbreak in 80-91. The rest is consequences. If a bunch of people had come out against Yeltsin, if there had been disobedience like Prigozhin, then the USSR would have stood.
              1. +21
                4 October 2023 09: 34
                I was already over 20 then - I could have used my brain. So this is my generation too.
                1. +4
                  4 October 2023 17: 48
                  Yes, a young family, making money. Standing in lines for everything you need.. From milk to furniture. We didn’t think, we didn’t expect. And I included
            2. +26
              4 October 2023 09: 17
              That's why our women don't want to give birth. Why create poverty? Or meat in PMCs of the Russian Defense Ministry.
              1. +5
                4 October 2023 09: 20
                If there were conditions like in the agricultural sector of the Republic of Ingushetia, where it takes a year to build a house, a child from 4 years old is a worker - no one would ask. Now the formation is different, the problems are not being solved. 4 years vs 22+
                1. +33
                  4 October 2023 09: 36
                  In the Republic of Ingushetia there was a high birth rate for one reason - the land in the village was divided according to the eaters... More people - more land. But as soon as the woodpecker Stolypin destroyed the community, the birth rate immediately fell. Because with a fixed piece of land, extra mouths are completely useless...
                  1. +17
                    4 October 2023 10: 05
                    For urban population reproduction. We need 1 room for parents and 1 room for 2 children. You have three - three rubles. The state does not seek to resolve basic issues, because it is costly for material reasons. If there was a goal, they would decide. Wooden prefabricated houses, robotic building complexes, more panels, etc.
                    1. +24
                      4 October 2023 12: 30
                      The state helps bankers and oligarchs associated with the development of former factories with high-rise buildings, driving the population into mortgage bondage. Money is not given to people directly to buy apartments, but to pay interest to banks. Give birth, even though you weren’t asked to. So there is enough money there, it’s just for their own people.
                    2. 0
                      4 October 2023 20: 40
                      Quote: valek97
                      11
                      For urban population reproduction. We need 1 room for parents and 1 room for 2 children. You have three - three rubles.

                      What if the children are of different sexes? How to keep them in the same room? A girl of 13 or more years old, with her brother, in the same room, in the 21st century, what are you talking about?
                      Quote: valek97
                      The state does not seek to resolve basic issues, because it is costly for material reasons. ,

                      What costs are we talking about? A construction company buys land for the construction of veins. complex. And the price of land will be included in the cost of a square meter of living space.
                      Who sells the land? State. Those. the state is “profiting” (?) from this. Where is the logic? Land should not be an object of purchase and sale.
                      1. +1
                        5 October 2023 19: 56
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        What costs are we talking about? A construction company buys land for the construction of veins. complex. And the price of land will be included in the cost of a square meter of living space.
                        Who sells the land? State. Those. the state is “profiting” (?) from this. Where is the logic? Land should not be an object of purchase and sale.

                        Even simpler. Authorities confiscate land plots under the guise of city development, paying compensation out of thin air. And it doesn’t matter whether the plot is owned or leased. And people are being squeezed out by any means. The main thing is that there are already communications, electricity, etc. there. We have nowhere to develop the same Krasnoyarsk? Siberia is so overpopulated that everyone is sitting on top of each other. And then this land is transferred to the developer, who, in turn, sells this property, making a profit. At the same time, the cost per square meter in the center can be many times higher than in a similar new house on the outskirts or suburbs from the same developer. Are there different materials? Or elite workers? And the power structures are so disinterested... Let's see how the next epic with the metro ends.
                      2. 0
                        8 October 2023 22: 03
                        On the capital costs of maintaining and raising a child under 18 years of age. Parents, if we count without inflation and take the minimum wage, will spend about 3,5 million rubles on food alone, and the same amount on his maintenance. i.e. 1 person costs at least 7 million rubles. You are now gone in particular. This is all being worked out, but the state is afraid to hit the table and set a limit on marking up and increasing prices. If the goal was to raise the population, you could come up with many options, in particular mini-communities in MKD, etc.
              2. +13
                4 October 2023 15: 58
                If you don’t “produce,” then the Ravshans and Dzhamshuts will procreate. And they are ruled by the “Kadyrovs”. (The birth rate in Chechnya is the highest in the country)
            3. -32
              4 October 2023 11: 14
              Quote: paul3390
              The worst thing is not even this, but the fact that our children and grandchildren now have no future..

              I would compare Russia to a horse flying into the future! Many wanted to “saddle” her, but not many succeeded! She simply threw off other riders, like Gorbachev. And what future Russia will have depends on the people living on its territory. I know only one thing for sure: Russia cannot be brought to its knees by anyone. Bury Russia early, gentlemen and comrades! hi
              1. +10
                4 October 2023 12: 23
                At least on your knees, this will already be progress in the “lying down” position...
            4. +1
              5 October 2023 21: 59
              Either bots came running or idiots, in fact, this awaits not only Russia but all third world countries that already lived, to put it mildly, poorly. But while there are enemies around you, yes, it was not the Russian oligarchy that made them enemies, but they themselves decided to be so, because they are not sovereign, and are subordinate to the interests of the world hegemon, who does not want to lose its leadership and share it with China, but our oligarchs They destroyed the country while it was surrounded, that’s all. Another question is that the oligarchs themselves are still trying to solve their problems at the expense of the population, and will agree to an agreement if necessary. And Russia will fight, both under the oligarchs and under the Soviets, because it is too rich and dangerous.
          2. -19
            4 October 2023 10: 28
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: paul3390
            The structure needs to be changed. Bring back Soviet power. We have no other option, unless of course we want to survive as a country and people.

            As long as capitalists play a dominant role in a country, order cannot be expected. Now a simple working person is deprived of all rights, and the law and the court are on the side of the rich, they have no jurisdiction.

            In which country? In Estonia, where do you live?
          3. 0
            5 October 2023 15: 31
            The laws are the same for everyone, it’s just that workers don’t have the money for a good lawyer to protect their interests. Each citizen should have his own free lawyer, then order will be restored automatically
          4. 0
            5 October 2023 15: 31
            The laws are the same for everyone, it’s just that workers don’t have the money for a good lawyer to protect their interests. Each citizen should have his own free lawyer, then order will be restored automatically
          5. -1
            10 October 2023 23: 12
            It is rightly said that history tends to repeat itself. What L. Tolstoy wrote: “Sometimes it’s just funny for me to look at how people, good, smart, waste their energy fighting the government on the basis of those laws that this very government writes arbitrarily. There are people to whom we belong to those who know that our government is very bad and are fighting against it. Since the time of Radishchev and the Decembrists, two methods of struggle have been used: one method - Stenka Razin, Pugachev, Decembrists, revolutionaries of the 60s, activists of March 1st and others ; the other is the one that is preached and applied by you - the method of the "gradualists" - which consists in fighting on legal grounds, without violence, little by little winning back your rights. Both methods have been used without ceasing for more than half a century in my memory, and the situation becomes worse and worse; and the force against which they are fighting becomes more powerful, stronger and bolder."
        2. +33
          4 October 2023 09: 11
          Changing the structure is not changing your boots...
          All the laws of modern Russia prohibit doing this, except for a single type of expression of will (elections).
          And deep Russia is an inert and dull mass ready to endure everything and endure everything, quietly degenerating.
          The flock is silent without rights, and the shepherds are brazenly getting fat...
          And there is also the smart, systematic and long-term work of the Americans to decompose our “Russian world”...
          That's why we have what we have
          1. +27
            4 October 2023 10: 10
            All the laws of modern Russia prohibit doing this.

            Yes, the tsarist laws didn’t seem to allow the October Socialist movement either.. what
            1. +4
              4 October 2023 11: 22
              Quote: paul3390
              All the laws of modern Russia prohibit doing this.

              Yes, the tsarist laws didn’t seem to allow the October Socialist movement either.. what

              good The rulers of Russia will either turn their faces to the people, or get a kick in the butt. Calls, promises and repressions will not achieve anything here.
              1. +8
                4 October 2023 17: 52
                However, it was not the ruler who received it, but Prigozhin. And such a kick that he would go to the grave. This is how they turn to the people now
                1. +4
                  4 October 2023 18: 51
                  Quote from: dmi.pris1
                  However, it was not the ruler who received it, but Prigozhin. And such a kick that he would go to the grave. This is how they turn to the people now

                  We had to see the matter through to the end and not trust these scammers and thieves.
            2. +10
              4 October 2023 12: 25
              When October died, the “tsarist” laws had already been abolished by February. Just in case.
              1. +2
                5 October 2023 09: 57
                The February laws also did not really allow revolutions and coups. And in July they even prohibited it...
            3. +2
              4 October 2023 20: 45
              Quote: paul3390
              All the laws of modern Russia prohibit doing this.

              Yes, the tsarist laws didn’t seem to allow the October Socialist movement either.. what

              I agree, they weren't allowed. But, the October Socialist had an author who, from a scientific point of view, did not give a damn about the prohibitions
              Do you see anything like him on the horizon?
              1. +2
                6 October 2023 10: 51
                Do you see anything like him on the horizon?

                You might think that back in 1916, many people knew Lenin in Russia...
            4. -2
              5 October 2023 15: 49
              Revolution is not a cheap thing! feel Do you have money for this? bully They say Lenin intercepted it from the Kaiser, in our world only the USA gives money for such projects, but there they allocate funds only for democracy, not socialism request
          2. -2
            5 October 2023 02: 26
            Quote: Zestrum
            And deep Russia is an inert and dull mass ready to endure everything and endure everything, quietly degenerating.

            That’s why we have two Russias! Moscow and St. Petersburg and ALL RUSSIA!
        3. +13
          4 October 2023 10: 09
          Well, we understand, so what? Nowadays, these “old Bolsheviks” who were ready for “fire and water” are no longer there; for example, are you now ready for “hard labor” so that the enemies of the people do not rule the Motherland?
          1. +8
            4 October 2023 10: 52
            Of course, I wouldn’t want to, but if it’s necessary for the Cause, yes. There are Bolsheviks, yes. Of those who understand, there is simply no other way. Not much yet, but there is some. It’s just a period of confusion and vacillation; a new Ilyich is urgently needed. But as soon as we get it...
            1. +6
              4 October 2023 11: 29
              Become one yourself and organize a Party.
              1. +7
                4 October 2023 11: 55
                To become Lenin - desire alone is not enough... Alas. In the meantime, I do what I can.
                1. +13
                  4 October 2023 13: 18
                  The people, however, do not want Lenin, so that “to the foundation, and then...”
                  The people are waiting for Stalin, who, without completely destroying anything, nevertheless remade everything, and much more successfully, harshly and quite quickly, if you evaluate the scale. I didn’t have time to do only one thing, but an important one - to transfer the real center of power and control from party bodies to purely Soviet ones, creating, in essence, a meritocracy - the power of the best!
                  Really the best, who proved this by real achievements, and not by birth, devotion to the leader or party, or, what replaced even this - demagogic pathos, false and ruined the entire state structure.
                  In fact, History gives Putin a chance to become such a Stalin: power is almost absolute, not like Stalin in the 20-30s, the people’s attitude in all referendums and honest polls is quite unequivocal...
                  But the Guarantor is spinning around, he doesn’t want to become Stalin by any means, on the contrary - the Yeltsin Center finances it, the magnet of Vlasovism, and, it seems, it will never mature to that...
                  1. +16
                    4 October 2023 16: 33
                    gives Putin a chance to become that Stalin: almost absolute power
                    Do you really think he has any power?? belay Why, then, does he not steer anything, and everyone openly blames his fluttering, brazenly skimping on all these calls of his type? what
                    1. +9
                      4 October 2023 18: 54
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Do you really think he has any power??

                      Nominal. In reality, he is only a representative and appointee of the ruling clans of the oligarchy, even if he had a desire to change something, it is already very late, he should have kicked in earlier, growing cadres in the security forces who can be relied upon at the decisive moment, but he satisfied with the role of the sits-chairman and the laughing stock of the world.
                    2. 0
                      5 October 2023 10: 43
                      The plane with Prigozhin crashed, but the plane with Chubais (that is, what’s his name, Sagal - he seems to be just a bastard) did not crash.
                      That is, we can whenever we want. And, accordingly, we can’t when we don’t want to.
                      Or is this not power? Isn’t swinging an ice pick in Mexico a point in the struggle for power?
                      Not our method? Well, my friend, if you try to work in power with white gloves, you’ll end up wearing white slippers!
                  2. +1
                    4 October 2023 23: 03
                    He has guarantees for some kind of “family”, don’t forget...
                  3. +1
                    5 October 2023 14: 36
                    Actually, History gives Putin a chance to become such a Stalin

                    Yes, there was a cult!
                    But there was also a personality
                    (M. Sholokhov about I.V. Stalin)

                    ps Almost all of I.V. Stalin’s relatives were repressed because they began to behave “like relatives.” Well, something like Chubais, Golikova, Kudrin, Gref, Narusova with her daughter and some others
                2. -3
                  5 October 2023 08: 13
                  Quote: paul3390
                  To become Lenin - desire alone is not enough... Alas. In the meantime, I do what I can.

                  Yes, my friend, you are a revolutionary! If there were power, there would always be fighters against it! wassat Remove the pan from your head. hi
              2. +4
                4 October 2023 12: 09
                Become one yourself and organize a Party.
                - hmm... Who will be the basis for this Party? Who will support her in practice, well, okay, at least in words and will not be afraid of the consequences?
                1. +1
                  4 October 2023 15: 07
                  Well, comrade says that there are still Bolsheviks.
            2. +7
              4 October 2023 12: 26
              Well, once again all hope remains in the Messiah. Either we rely on Christ, or on Lenin... Or on both together...
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        5. +15
          4 October 2023 10: 47
          Quote: paul3390
          The old Bolsheviks did not think so.

          "There is such a party."
          Despite the abundance of official parties, in fact there is only the party in power.
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Roman is right, the era of indifference has arrived

          Doctors distinguish 4 mental states of a hopelessly ill patient:
          - denial of the disease;
          - rage, anger;
          -attempt to cope with the disease;
          -depression.
          These states “go” in circles.
          There is a fifth point - humility. waiting for death.
          Many of us can be classified as number five.
          1. +12
            4 October 2023 12: 38
            any unauthorized human activity was actively destroyed and is now being destroyed. if people's leaders appear somewhere, something suddenly happens to them, then the elusive DRG, what else. The majority have one reaction to such a course of events - apathy, and the associated processes from reluctance to give birth to children to “withdrawal.” Unfortunately, the last chance to “come back from ourselves” is an immediate physical threat of destruction, which will be given to everyone who does not want to understand that we are all one people, one living organism and there is no one else’s misfortune for us. But by the time this comes to each of us, the great and wise leaders will sell for personal gain or squander all the chances that still remain due to their own stupidity, and they themselves will try to escape, or, due to the same stupidity, they themselves will die. And those who remain will have to do everything in even worse circumstances than they were a year or two or whatever before.
        6. +1
          4 October 2023 21: 42
          I never tire of being amazed at how in 10 years people have changed their shoes from “dissatisfied with Putin and the elites - a liberal and a traitor” to “it’s time to understand...”. Although the reality and actions of the above group have not changed much
      2. +2
        4 October 2023 12: 06
        You still can't change reality.
        - and you will become a stoic involuntarily.
    3. +40
      4 October 2023 07: 42
      They lie and steal, they steal and lie since the times of the enemy of the people Gorbachev with his advisers from the USA Yakovlev and his comrades. And now it has reached its highest point. And we are called to rally. Around whom? Around traders, cowards, liars and every bad part of the creatures who sell the country wholesale and retail. Vague doubts about this are tormented.
      1. +11
        4 October 2023 11: 24
        You are wrong. They lied and stole long before the mentioned “personalities”. And in Soviet times, and under the tsars, and under the princes. Moreover, it is often those “of the people” who have seized power who lie and steal the most. Unfortunately, there have always been only a few people without silver. Well, at least they still come across sometimes.
        And yet Russia was, is and, I hope, will be. In their difficult times, Minin and Pozharsky were found, around whom many people rallied.
        But lies and theft did not come from the west, nor from the east, nor from above, nor from below. It came from the “people”, and is only eradicated by the entire society, from top to bottom. But for this there must be conditions. The dominant vector of development within society must change from “if you don’t live, you won’t survive” to universal creation. While many people are trading, there will be little sense.
        1. man
          +8
          4 October 2023 18: 13
          You are wrong. They lied and stole long before the mentioned “personalities”. AND in soviet time, both under kings and under princes.
          You are repeating the liberal stories that we were caught using in Gorbachev’s 80s. Yes, there were lies and theft, it seems that this is ineradicable, but a question of degree! Compared to capitalism, this was minuscule, not even one percent, but hundredths of a percent! I'm not even talking about the fact that the stolen goods remained in the country and, after the most insolent ones were caught, were transferred to the state
          1. +4
            4 October 2023 19: 58
            Well, regarding liberal tales and minuscule things, you turned it down. There were enough different thieves in the USSR - it is impossible to change the mentality of the masses of the people at once. And there was “liberated creativity of the masses,” which did not exist under tsarism. And I think that decades of this conscious creativity of the masses were not in vain. However, apparently, the work was still far from being completed. After perestroika and the collapse of the Union, a lot of things came out - I looked and was surprised - there were Soviet people, but I don’t understand who became. So many different bandits and crooks have come out - where did that come from?
      2. +1
        4 October 2023 15: 29
        Quote: Taimen
        They lie and steal, they steal and lie since the time of the enemy of the people Gorbachev

        "The first sign of corruption of social morals is the disappearance of truth...
        The truth that is now in use among us is not what really is, but what we convince others of - in exactly the same way as with the coin circulating between us: after all, we call this word not only a full-fledged coin, but and fake."
        Michel de Montaigne
    4. +56
      4 October 2023 07: 58
      The article is long, but you can write it all briefly: the state was built “according to concepts”, when “everything else is the law,” that is, a plutocratic state with a vertical power based on personal loyalty to a superior, and not on professional qualities and regulation by law. Laws are established in the interests of a limited circle of people and completely ignore the interests of the rest of the people, who are excluded from influencing the legislative and governing powers. Plutocracy is now slowly but inevitably transforming into a caste dictatorship and tyranny.
      1. +25
        4 October 2023 08: 16
        Quote: Monster_Fat
        the state was built “according to concepts”, when “everything else is the law”, that is, a plutocratic state with a vertical power based on personal loyalty to a superior, and not on professional qualities and regulation by law. Laws are established in the interests of a limited circle of people

        I completely agree ! And I’ve been thinking this way for a long time, and I have the same conclusions! (The only thing...I forgot to use the word "plutocracy") hi
      2. +21
        4 October 2023 08: 46
        Plutocracy is now slowly but inevitably transforming into a caste dictatorship

        Bearded classics teach us that history develops in a spiral, each time returning to old forms at a new technological level. Right now we are rapidly falling into digital neo-feudalism. God grant that they don’t reach slavery...
        1. +5
          4 October 2023 12: 29
          If you can’t repay the loan, then you’ve already arrived...
      3. +3
        4 October 2023 09: 09
        Very well said, to the point! hi
      4. +9
        4 October 2023 10: 55
        The article is long, but you can write it all briefly: the state was built “according to concepts”, when “everything else is the law,” that is, a plutocratic state with a vertical power based on personal loyalty to a superior, and not on professional qualities and regulation by law.
        I don't agree with you. For “the rest” it is not the law, but its complete absence. The law works if you pay. In the absence of payment - unsubscribes and excuses from the authorities, at any level. There is nothing to say about professional qualities at all, they simply don’t exist, because... no payment. I have gone through and continue to go through, out of sheer stubbornness, this chain. The ordinary case lasts for the sixth month. I am already beginning to understand the Bolsheviks, how they suppressed rampant banditry, and I began to understand more fully that civilian short-barreled guns would never be allowed in the Russian Federation. Otherwise, the population of hooligans, thugs and bandits, if they attack, can be regulated by an ordinary law-abiding citizen. In the Russian Federation this is nonsense.
    5. +16
      4 October 2023 08: 58
      Let me say briefly that it’s a pity that this article can only be given a “PLUS” once.
    6. +12
      4 October 2023 11: 40
      Quote: ROSS 42
      I see such people and communicate with them every day, who Every tomorrow seems worse than yesterday. Who survived the chaos and redistribution of the 90s and thought that all the bad things were behind them

      Yes, there are most of them around!

      The post was deleted, denials began, cries about hacking

      the appeal was on the 29th, whoever needed it saw it, especially in Chechnya, it was counted. Four days later it turned out to be the work of the enemy.

      A typical face of a “fiery patriot” guard. First he licks the most, and then he declares that this is the machinations of his enemies!
      If there were a world championship in jumping shoes, this character would probably win.
    7. -7
      4 October 2023 13: 54
      If we could do a survey, say, among Kaluga peasants from the time of Peter the Great, then the picture would also be terrible. The exactions are brutal, the tsar has started some incomprehensible reforms, is building a city in the swamps (how many people have died there), the country has been at war with the first power of Europe for ten years (no victory in sight), and Turkey is also sharpening a scimitar nearby... In a word, the most time to go to the monastery and burn yourself there. But ten years passed, Sweden threw out the white flag, St. Petersburg became the capital, and there they lived to see the golden time of Catherine. And such a time is not the worst, you can analyze the situation in 1918, when the enemy in the North, South, West, East, and also the people did not know who to support. Or maybe for 1612...
      1. +9
        4 October 2023 14: 19
        In the golden time of Catherine the Great, the peasants also regularly tried to thrust pitchforks into the side of both the landowners and the authorities. However, at that time the landowners and the authorities were the same thing.
        1. 0
          5 October 2023 14: 36
          Then name a time when the Russian peasant felt good.
          1. +1
            5 October 2023 14: 41
            What does "then" mean? Perhaps never. Well, maybe some years of the NEP. But this does not mean that under Catherine there was a golden age for the peasantry.
            1. 0
              5 October 2023 21: 27
              It’s true about the NEP, I knew it from an eyewitness of those times. But the period from approximately 1970 to 1990 was stable in a good sense for the bulk of the villagers...
    8. 0
      5 October 2023 11: 07
      The generation that grew up and lived most of its working life under Soviet power saw everything - from Khrushchev to the Northern Military District. We have no reason to withdraw into ourselves; it doesn’t help and requires a lot of vodka.

      The generations that matured under Gorbachev and Putin are precisely those who fight in the Northern Military District. They survived the tragedy of the 90s, economic growth and tangible hope for a better future...before stagnation, broken promises, the deflation of the Russian World and Novorossiya. We grew up without any sense of comradeship, with faith, if there was any, in ourselves and our family, which in Russia belongs to the rich. They retreat into themselves - they didn’t know anything else and don’t believe in anything else. I will admit that the majority in the Army is for the social lift of the Army and for the social and financial package. To accuse them of existing in their natural state is senseless and vile! They are the ones who are fighting in the Northern Military District, defending Russia!

      A change in the social system is unlikely, to put it generously - but rather incredible. The old Soviet people cannot, the capitalist youth rightly do not believe the prophets, whose more than copper nickels on market day - and do not want to. The genetic code of Russia has been preserved, with a desire for justice. But the truth these days is different for everyone.

      There is a generational change; the author is nostalgic about the Soviet past. He does not seem to understand the inevitability of withdrawal when society is purposefully atomized under capitalism.
    9. 0
      7 October 2023 13: 39
      The liberals have been in charge of our domestic and foreign policy, and continue to do so to this day, with an eye on the collective West, they are afraid to say an extra harsh word in its direction, otherwise they will be offended there!!!
  2. +48
    4 October 2023 04: 48
    Roman is right, the era of indifference has arrived, people are accustomed to war, to prices, to robberies from the state, a person, such a creature, quickly gets used to everything, or stupidly isolates himself from reality, withdraws into himself. Tired of the bravura reports of the lieutenant general? We don’t turn on the news and everything. in the groups, they don’t even mention theirs, no one seems to care, they’re tired, there’s no understanding of the goal, “grinding” is happening on both sides and that’s all. The words of those who returned “from there” differ greatly from the words of Prokopenko, from Ren...
    1. +40
      4 October 2023 06: 27
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      the era of indifference has arrived

      Apparently "out of the blue"...
      So this indifference was driven in for decades, driven in daily and persistently, methodically and competently. And finally it came out. The electorate (its majority) is violet about everything except their own life, their small/big problems. Gentlemen, you yourself wanted this from the people. Wanted - you will get...
      1. +7
        4 October 2023 07: 41
        Quote: Doccor18
        Gentlemen, you yourself wanted this from the people. Wanted - you will get...

        And why does this bother the gentlemen? Wow protest! Rather, they got what they deserved. It is precisely because of this kind of protests. If anything, I’m like that myself, almost like that. I don’t blame anyone, but sometimes I feel ashamed of myself.
      2. +3
        4 October 2023 10: 03
        Quote: Doccor18
        So this indifference was driven in for decades, driven in daily and persistently, methodically and with skill. And finally it came out.

        There is a very large layer of the population who have simply become corrupted into parasitism due to objective and subjective reasons. Some engage in fraud, others engage in daily theft of less than 2 rubles (those in the know know why), while others live off benefits and loans.
        Today, a law-abiding, working, respectable citizen is deprived of the protection of the state and is more helpless in the face of adversity than his “brother” parasite.
        That is why indifference begins to penetrate into the farthest corners of consciousness and take possession of people who once fought for justice against evil and lies.
        You can’t beat the whip with your butt! - the basic principle of thinking.
        1. +18
          4 October 2023 10: 52
          Quote: ROSS 42
          a very large layer of the population who have simply become corrupted in parasitism

          Yourself? Or who contributed? Maybe someone constantly hammered into their heads that “work is for fools”, “for smart people - a thrill from life”, “either rich or a loser”... All the “art” of the last decades was not built on this, or am I mistaken?
          1. +10
            4 October 2023 12: 02
            Quote: Doccor18
            Maybe someone constantly hammered into their heads that “work is for fools”, “for smart people it’s a thrill to live”, “either rich or a loser”...

            Low wages in Russia also do not encourage people to go to work for a salary. Many have to trick, get out, and win on their own. Because going to work for your uncle in exchange for stew evokes little enthusiasm.
          2. +2
            4 October 2023 14: 13
            Quote: Doccor18
            Yourself? Or who contributed?

            80% of former criminals remain in Kuzbass after serving their sentences.
            A friend at the checkout says that every day in just one store where she works, at least two thefts are committed (they are caught red-handed, but how many pass by?).
            What will you learn here?
            In the city there are Zavodsky, Kirovsky and Rudnichny districts - hotbeds of mentoring and patronage of the drug business (I had the honor to observe personally and from the words of a former policeman) ...
            If someone has not encountered these problems, this does not mean that they do not exist...
            At least six people eat ice cream with a fork and knife... Or simply - connoisseurs of picciato...
            1. +2
              4 October 2023 21: 01
              -Comrade from Prokopyevsk?! So convicts have been living in those places since the 40s... and even earlier!
      3. 0
        7 October 2023 13: 46
        For thirty years in a row, liberals have been intensively pouring into the ears of the people that we now have a market, capitalism, private property everywhere, and why should we be surprised now that they have eradicated from the people everything that was inherent in them during the times of the USSR, for example, a sense of collectivism.
    2. +29
      4 October 2023 06: 30
      the era of indifference has arrived


      Dear Andrey Yurievich.
      I think this is not indifference. This is something else.
      Anyway, we each experience different news in our own way. We were simply divided into atoms. We (a single person, a family) were left alone with our problems - a mortgage, a loan, a serious illness of relatives and friends, how to live until payday, how and how to help a grandson, son, husband, who is howling in the area of ​​the SVO, etc. Most of the Russian population was put in conditions of survival. Therefore, this is not indifference (lack of feelings and emotions) - this is survival.

      Well, the recent statement by D. Peskov will make this survival even more difficult.

      “No, there is still no reason for concern. There are certain fluctuations. But we still live in the ruble zone, so such excessive attention to the dollar exchange rate is possible from an emotional point of view, but rather these are rudiments of the past. Still necessary get used to living in the ruble zone,” Peskov said in response to a question about whether the Kremlin sees reasons for concern. https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1295529
      1. +40
        4 October 2023 07: 36
        Quote: AA17
        I think this is not indifference. This is something else.

        Personally, I'm just tired. First of all - morally. I feel like Sisyphus. And there is no light at the end of the tunnel, unless it is an oncoming train. And I’m not the only one with such moods; I recently met a classmate who was similarly depressed.
        1. +26
          4 October 2023 08: 58
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Personally, I'm just tired. First of all - morally

          It's like you expressed my thoughts! Tired ! I’m terribly tired mentally from the chaos in Russia, which has no end! There was a mood to not give a damn about everything that was going on in Russia! I'm ready to fight...but how? With whom? The opposition in the country is immediately and harshly suppressed...and in the elections the so-called “United Russia” “wins” with a “huge advantage”, which normal people don’t want to mention without obscenities! That’s right, the dictatorship in the country is still “slyly”, but it’s not “the first day” that it is being introduced into power! And who benefits from this, who is the initiator of this - guess “within three tries”!
          1. +4
            4 October 2023 12: 36
            That is why the population wants “Stalin to come and stop all this mess”!
      2. +16
        4 October 2023 10: 29
        Do we live in the ruble zone? This was said by a person with a watch on his hands worth tens of millions of rubles
      3. +12
        4 October 2023 10: 33
        Quote: AA17
        I think this is not indifference. This is something different.

        Quote: Mordvin 3
        Personally, I'm just tired. First of all - morally.

        This is indifference, generously flavored with fatigue!
        At first, the indifference of the newly created state to the fate of its citizens was evident. It didn’t appear, it didn’t appear out of nowhere, since its representatives did not care about everything all their lives and lived for themselves, but it appeared when they managed to organize and rise above the passive part of society. This is how gopniks, lovers of robbery act... And the larger this gang of nouveau riche became, the more people fell into their dependence. Do you know why? Yes, because decent people knew nothing but the desire to work and create. Create with your own hands and through your own labor.
        Only the fate of such citizens did not worry the “state” gang. They did not care about what people wanted, and about how they could survive in conditions of destroyed legality and state foundations and laws created by their ancestors.
        They did not know how to govern the state and began to govern according to concepts, imitating the rule of law. Only this was the legality of the “thimbles”, the rules of burglars. It was then, trying to protect ourselves and our family from lawlessness, that we locked ourselves behind iron doors and bars on the windows...
        Having received the “rights” to an unworthy, but monthly and on time, salary; a set of taxes, which in total could EVEN cover income; legalized speculation and enslaving loan conditions; multiple payments for housing and communal services and other “delights of the liberal economy” in the form of trips abroad, personal cars and houses on several levels, we forgot that dullness will not leave us alone. She will use any means to convince us to give our hard-earned money to cunningly devised pricing schemes for everything: from fuel prices at gas stations to prices for once-penny medicines and mineral water.
        Some people didn't like this and tried to vote AGAINST this gang in the elections, but they always found themselves in the minority. In addition, the aging and decrepit opposition differed less and less from those against whom it fought...
        AND HERE COME INDIFFERENCE, WHICH IN THE COMMON PEOPLE IS CALLED IMPORTANCE...
        good
    3. +2
      4 October 2023 08: 09
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      , they got used to war, to prices, to robberies from the state

      Yes, more, not from the state, but from the capitalist. The capitalist robs both the people and the state.
      1. +11
        4 October 2023 09: 19
        This is a capitalist state, it is built on its principles and laws. There is no need to separate the state-power from the capitalist; all its representatives are bourgeois of the highest standard, the richest people in Russia. Because they have privatized and controlled the only source of existence of the state - the subsoil.
        As for the indifference of citizens, it is worth thinking about where this phenomenon stems from. Yes, just cowardice, spinelessness, inability to put presumptuous nouveau riche bureaucrats on their ears. Because there is still something to lose, unlike citizens in the Republic of Ingushetia in the last century. Hence the hataskay.
        1. +5
          4 October 2023 09: 35
          Quote: Essex62
          Because there is still something to lose, unlike citizens in the Republic of Ingushetia in the last century.

          That's it. I've said the same thing more than once...
        2. +1
          5 October 2023 15: 11
          Quote: Essex62
          ...As for the indifference of citizens, it is worth thinking about where this phenomenon stems from. Yes, just cowardice, spinelessness, inability to put presumptuous nouveau riche bureaucrats on their ears...

          You are not right. The point is the fragmentation, atomization of our society, the lack of organization for resistance. Our government has actively worked on this, suppressing any protest for two decades and harshly cracking down on the organizers. But people are not at all indifferent and certainly not spineless, they just for now They don’t know how to organize themselves. But internally, many are already ready to change everything by force. Wagner's example is very illustrative. After all, who would have thought that this was possible, right?
      2. +5
        4 October 2023 11: 12
        Yes, more, not from the state, but from the capitalist. The capitalist robs both the people and the state.
        This is how capitalist ministers rule, so these are inseparable concepts at the moment. And they will rob, because... to create is labor, and robbery is cruelty, bullying, violence. This is easier to implement. But what makes us most happy is the guards.
    4. -2
      4 October 2023 21: 54
      Well, how long can you watch the second army in the world throw hand grenades from copters? All “respected” public pages on military topics post the same thing every day, and there are people who have been watching this for a year and a half
  3. +55
    4 October 2023 04: 53
    Unfortunately, there is nothing to add. Everything is just like that. We laugh at the extreme Ukrainians. But in Ukraine and in Belarus there is not and has not been such lawlessness on the part of the type of migrants who are brought to us not only as labor, but also as a counterweight to the people who may wake up. And this is the worst nightmare of our bosses. And their purposeful policy is to atomize Russians as a single people. And cultivated indifference is one of the features of such a policy.
    1. +35
      4 October 2023 06: 35
      People see lies. Hence the conclusions. I am from that very “deep Russia”. Yes, there are rare exceptions in power. But they all attack the lower ranks, rural administrations. These people do not go up. Skomorokhov is right - United Russia is only the name of a lie party, but we, united, are not there. And it cannot be with such power
      1. +31
        4 October 2023 09: 14
        Quote from: dmi.pris1
        there is only the name of the lying party, but we, the only ones, are not there. And it can’t be with such power

        Absolutely right! And at the same time, it was very funny to watch how the guarantor puffed out his cheeks after Prigozhin’s march, babbling about the unity of the people around the government. fool
        1. +2
          4 October 2023 22: 13
          I agree, the speeches after the march were so ridiculous and inappropriate that I was finally convinced of the correctness of the phrase: The government lives on another planet, dear!
  4. _6
    +2
    4 October 2023 04: 56
    Yes, this is all true, but seeing and voicing the problem is not enough. The criticism of the authorities on this site is off the scale, as if this power was brought to us from America, or installed by the Martians. The majority have an approximate attitude towards their superiors. But that’s what we all are. And we all need to look for a way out of this situation in which we have put ourselves. Be it the idea of ​​a bright future, or Orthodoxy as the meaning of life, or economic growth like in China, or a harmonious social theory that everyone will like and for which one can and should work hard.
    1. +14
      4 October 2023 05: 33
      It seems to me that soon we will be drying crackers for Roma on the road..
      ...oooh how lucky we are, comrade major, with Vladimir Vladimirovich in this difficult time
      1. +7
        4 October 2023 08: 42
        "How lucky we are, comrade major, with Vladimir Vl"
        good
      2. +15
        4 October 2023 11: 27
        Quote from Sadam2
        It seems to me that soon we will be drying crackers for Roma on the road..

        Despite all this, “opening society’s eyes to reality” is a thankless task. Of course they will support you on the Internet, but in real life...
        And regarding the indifference of the people: what they taught is what they got. Slogans - separately, Modus vivendi - separately. And “we don’t abandon our own,” yes. The one who was abandoned is no longer his own. And in general - he himself is to blame. And in his place I would never... Hey! Where are you taking me?! Comrade Putin, a monstrous mistake has occurred!!!
      3. -1
        4 October 2023 12: 43
        We will not! Because “it” writes what the editors need!
    2. +11
      4 October 2023 07: 42
      And we all need to look for a way out of this situation in which we have put ourselves.

      Why look for him? It is enough to read the classics of Marxism. There, especially for us, everything was carefully laid out on shelves a long time ago... Take it and use it.
    3. +6
      4 October 2023 08: 41
      “It’s as if this power was brought to us from America”
      that's where they brought it from. What did you think, were you the one who chose her?
      1. +8
        4 October 2023 10: 56
        What did you think, you chose her

        Did we really choose her? what
    4. +8
      4 October 2023 09: 18
      Quote: _6
      The criticism of the authorities on this site is off the scale, as if this power was brought to us from America, or installed by the Martians. The majority have an approximate attitude towards their superiors. But that’s what we all are. And we all need to look for a way out of this situation in which we have put ourselves.

      It is completely incorrect to compare criticism of authorities with criticism of superiors at work. You can change your job with your superiors, eventually finding adequate leadership and doing business, not fraud. This trick will no longer work with the rulers of the country, because... We have one country.
      1. +6
        4 October 2023 09: 41
        Quote: Zoer
        You can change your job with your superiors by eventually finding adequate leadership

        "Blessed is he who believes"...
      2. +8
        4 October 2023 10: 16
        Well, don’t tell me, this is not the times of the USSR, when you waved your hand at one and immediately got a job with another. Here, when you leave, you can find emptiness or another one like that, since they also see what’s going on around them and actively take advantage of it.
    5. +13
      4 October 2023 09: 40
      Quote: _6
      The majority have an approximate attitude towards their superiors. But that’s what we all are.

      I don’t know how it is at your work, but we don’t elect our boss, we don’t appoint them... They send them, and every year they become more and more “effective”... The last one took up sports (the most important thing, apparently), and conceived a team of professional fans. ..
    6. +12
      4 October 2023 12: 05
      Quote: _6
      Criticism of the authorities on this site is off the charts

      Yes, you just didn’t read the others.
  5. +25
    4 October 2023 05: 06
    Everything is very nice, although extremely chaotic, and most importantly, it is not entirely clear what the author is getting at. What does he want to tell us?
    That the representatives of the mafia-oligarchic regime, oh excuse me, the democratically elected authorities of the Russian Federation, for 32 years of a confident path to the civilized world and capitalist paradise, have led us to a hopeless situation? So all adult residents of the Russian Federation know this, and the representatives of these authorities themselves know this best of all, regardless of what nonsense they say in public.
    That this is actually the fault of the people who agree with this? Well, okay, let the people be to blame (although I don’t agree with this). What's next?
    Does everyone need to repent? Great, repent. Everyone needs to stop making excuses for power? It’s good, although even in conditions of control over the media and property in power, this is utopian. What's next ? There are no channels for the people to influence the government. Rallies are prohibited, any public activity outside of loyalty to the authorities and what it does is prohibited, it’s a shame to even talk about elections.
    The author proposes a revolution? It seems not, but if yes, then a practical question arises: how to do it in the current conditions and what principles will the new government be guided by?
    That is, the author’s criticism is good, but extremely vague and it is unclear why he is writing all this.
    1. +17
      4 October 2023 05: 13
      Quote: Belisarius
      The author proposes a revolution? Apparently not

      You want the author to repeat the fate of N.N. Platoshkin. who also suggested ways to change the situation?
      Quote: Belisarius
      It’s unclear why he’s writing all this.

      Remember Zhvanetsky:

      And here they pay attention...
      Yes
      1. -19
        4 October 2023 06: 15
        the author repeated the fate of N.N. Platoshkin. who also suggested ways to change the situation?

        Platoshkin, like a true talker, got off easy...
        1. +41
          4 October 2023 06: 52
          Quote: Vladimir80
          Platoshkin, like a true talker, got off easy...

          And what? Should you express your opinion silently? This is exactly what our president achieved, so that everyone would remain silent, otherwise you will be declared a talker, a provocateur, a state criminal, and this is fraught. And there are two ways - either you go underground (as a revolutionary, and this is also fraught), or you “withdraw into yourself” (even if you care and everything is boiling in your soul) and become known as “an indifferent person who doesn’t care about everything.”
        2. +12
          4 October 2023 07: 44
          The old Bolsheviks spent half their lives in prisons and hard labor - and nothing, it somehow didn’t bother them... They still achieved their goal.
          1. -19
            4 October 2023 10: 41
            .We still achieved our goal.

            Exactly! Half the country was forced into the Gulag. Some stood guard, others sat out, and others were shot in the basements.
            1. +5
              4 October 2023 10: 57
              It’s a pity that they didn’t get to all of you, liberals. Nothing - it’s not evening yet.
            2. +13
              4 October 2023 11: 07
              Quote from ivan_zaitcew
              Half the country was forced into the Gulag

              Did 14 million people live in the USSR?
              During the 32 years of great upheaval (from 1921 to 1953), a little more than 7 million people passed through the camps.
              Quote from ivan_zaitcew
              and others were shot in the basements.

              According to various sources, there were from 440 to 710 thousand people executed, the bulk of them in the 30s.
      2. -5
        4 October 2023 09: 19
        Quote: ROSS 42
        so that the author repeats the fate of N. N. Platoshkin

        Just don’t talk about Platoshkin. We know his socialism with a capitalist physiognomy.
    2. -10
      4 October 2023 07: 31
      No. The author is for everything good and against everything bad. What to do? But simply “mice should become hedgehogs.” A sour salad of banalities and scattered facts, dumped into one pan and mixed. The question is why write this? - no answer. Sad.
    3. +4
      4 October 2023 10: 39
      Read the classics of ML, everything is written there.
      1. +1
        4 October 2023 12: 44
        Haven’t you read “The Right to Be Lazy (Refuting the Right to Work)” by Lafargue? To all Marxists, a Marxist, practically the crown prince of Marxism. Just be curious... In Russia they published only before the revolution, and it’s clear why.
        1. 0
          4 October 2023 14: 42
          Haven’t you read “The Right to Be Lazy (Refuting the Right to Work)” by Lafargue?

          And you? And how did you understand this work?
          1. +1
            4 October 2023 15: 14
            Based on the results, I rather better understood “State and Revolution”, “Anti-Dühring” and “Critique of the Gotha Program”.
            But you will agree that Lafargue’s first lines are inspiring. Many of our old-school communists cause cognitive dissonance.
            1. +1
              4 October 2023 15: 33
              Based on the results, I rather better understood “State and Revolution”, “Anti-Dühring” and “Critique of the Gotha Program”.

              That is, you did not understand that “The right to laziness” - political pamphlet?
              Lafargue brilliant master of social satire, a devastating aphorism, tantalizing paradox, an annoying political pamphlet. Brandes also said that every serious thought acts the more decisively, the more it responds with jokes and ridicule. Lafargue knew this secret - how to quickly open access to serious thought into the heads of the proletarians - and in this Lafargue saw the main task of the proletarian writer - so he spared no effort in studying and learned to master the art of this secret, unparalleled art of sarcasm, - ridicule of the class enemy.
              1. +1
                4 October 2023 15: 50
                Of course, a pamphlet. There is nothing to understand here. But that's not what you asked.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2023 15: 58
                  But that's not what you asked.

                  I was asking how you understood the work you mentioned. Since the text gave the impression that you took the sarcasm of the pamphlet at face value (“they were published only before the revolution, and it's clear why")
                  1. +1
                    4 October 2023 16: 16
                    This is a false impression.
                    It so happened that Lafargue also ridiculed Soviet views. Even before the emergence of the USSR. And it is our great sadness that the views were such. Although the early Soviet state did not have much options.
  6. +35
    4 October 2023 05: 06
    Semigin is a typical Ukrainian waiter and not a patriot, he will immediately change his shoes as soon as things get really bad in Russia.
    Our society is covered with ulcers and boils of diseases that only stubborn, not smart people do not notice.
    If we talk openly about the causes and the culprit of these ulcers, they can immediately be accused of extremism. smile
    The novel revealed only the tip of the iceberg, without digging further into it... and there is such a fragrance of incense... mother, don’t worry.
    Therefore, I am not surprised why Prigozhin swore so obscenities (the comrade was straight as a lamppost, he should have been more flexible) who knew the ins and outs of all these matters and things.
    The Augean stables in Russia will sooner or later have to be cleaned so as not to disappear like the Roman Empire... and not to drown in our own feces.
    1. +5
      4 October 2023 07: 13
      I agree with everything except this
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      (comrade was straight as a lamppost, he should have been more flexible)
      in nature NOT can be straight and inflexible - billionaires.Especially those who knew the ins and outs...

      And so yes - we are decomposing like the USSR in its time. We say one thing, do another, think a third, say a fourth to our children, say a fifth to our wife in the kitchen...
      Clean the stables? You may have to - the problem is that they will have to be cleaned either after the collapse or after defeat in the Great War. RI disappeared as a result of the war, the USSR internally collapsed itself ....
      What will it be like for us now?
      request
      But based on the results of a total war/collapse, I really wouldn’t want to....

      Z.y
      Let me remind everyone that in the USSR during the Second World War there were heroes at the front and thieves in warehouses at the front, there were heroes in the rear and traders in the rear, there were Talalikhin and the “Tashkent Front”, there were partisans and Banderaites.
      Any society always consists of those groups that Rosstat noted - always and under any government. They are not exceptional feature of the Russian Federation.
      1. +13
        4 October 2023 09: 34
        Only the “traders in the rear” were strangled by the authorities, and the Tashkent front was despised by the working people, the front-line soldiers, and in this the authorities supported them. Don't you notice the difference?
        And the USSR did not collapse on its own. These “people” really wanted to have their own “candle factory” and make money. Judas was found and his wish came true. By initiating a normal counter-revolutionary coup.
        1. -6
          4 October 2023 11: 05
          . Judas was found and my wish came true

          Oh how! Where have you been? Or, as usual, no one asked you all? What kind of “great and mighty” is this, since one person can destroy it?
        2. +2
          4 October 2023 12: 59
          Quote: Essex62
          the Tashkent front was despised by working people, front-line soldiers, and in this their government supported them

          More than 6 thousand people went to the front; 700 and a penny returned (including disabled people). About 100 returned from evacuation. I don’t know how many there were in Tashkent, but these were healthy and not disabled. Despised - perhaps, but here are the women they hanged themselves - because there were 10 times fewer men...
          The neighbors were jealous of my grandmother until her death."Petro returned from the war in 1943, albeit with a wounded leg, but alive."
          And you're talking about contempt...
          Quote: Essex62
          And the USSR did not collapse on its own. These “people” really wanted to have their own “candle factory” and make money. Judas was found and his wish came true. By initiating a normal counter-revolutionary coup.
          yeah...and the people, the army, the KGB and the party have nothing to do with it at all - they stood to the side and shrugged their shoulders ("but who the hell does the MSG know, what kind of Union is he lying around the corner in the hay")
    2. +18
      4 October 2023 10: 06
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Therefore, I am not surprised why Prigozhin swore so obscenities (the comrade was straight as a lamppost, he should have been more flexible) who knew the ins and outs of all these matters and things.


      I doubt that Prigozhin’s flexibility would have been of any use.... he knew that the system was rotten, bending over to those with whom he was trying to fight was a lost cause.... then he would have been on a par with our other oligarchs and billionaires who had concluded alliance with the authorities and aligned themselves with the top. In addition, Yevgeny Prigozhin had ambitions (this is not bad) + stubbornness, but the story ended sadly...

      So we sometimes discuss Wagner, the liquidation of Prigozhin, etc. but few people ask the question, what happened to the information that Prigozhin spoke about in the media? He said a lot (about cutting the budget in the LDPR, about Shoigu’s banquets, about kickbacks, etc.) + he wanted to bring Shoigu and the top of the General Staff to justice for the death of his guys in Bakhmut, for the shell famine.... what about the investigation the information that got into the network with Prigozhin’s statements??? They were simply extinguished in the media, as if it had not happened).

      And before that, they tried to take away the asset (Wagner), then denigrate it (everyone remembers the attack of pro-government bloggers on Prigozhin, the change in public opinion + photos from his house) and in the end the person simply disappeared, as they say, no person - no problem.
      1. +5
        4 October 2023 16: 02
        Quote: Aleksandr21
        and what happened to the information that Prigozhin spoke about in the media

        What happened to the information voiced by Navalny and FBK about the wildest corruption? With photos, documents, etc.? They declared him an enemy of the “people” and imprisoned him. For shaking the boat)
        Prigozhin was simply killed.
        Money loves silence (c)
    3. +6
      4 October 2023 12: 50
      So the fact of the matter is that in today’s Russia nothing threatens you if you fully support the Government! And the Semigins are darkness!
  7. +40
    4 October 2023 05: 09
    And mainly, it is expressed in the question “Well, how is it...?”

    "What is going on in the world anyway?
    - There is no stability. Terrorists have hijacked the plane again." (c)
    Do you “want” pearls from those in power? I have them. Siluanov said that if you don’t go to stores, the prices are normal. Matvienko said that they should be fined and imprisoned for mentioning the names of Lenin and Stalin.
    1. +7
      4 October 2023 06: 05
      Quote: parusnik
      And mainly, it is expressed in the question “Well, how is it...?”

      "What is going on in the world anyway?
      - There is no stability. Terrorists have hijacked the plane again." (c)
      Do you “want” pearls from those in power? I have them. Siluanov said that if you don’t go to stores, the prices are normal. Matvienko said that they should be fined and imprisoned for mentioning the names of Lenin and Stalin.

      The authorities began to live for themselves, and not for the people
      1. +22
        4 October 2023 08: 49
        "The authorities began to live for themselves, and not for the people"
        the current government has always lived for itself, and even on another planet laughing
  8. +3
    4 October 2023 05: 16
    The photo for the article says a lot, exactly who is in it and where they are, all these are links in one noose chain. I suspect in the heads of many of us there are other thoughts about the article and what is happening, and where all this can lead, oh, how I would not like it.
  9. +23
    4 October 2023 05: 19
    Quote: parusnik
    Siluanov said that if you don’t go to stores, then the prices are normal. Matvienko said that they should be fined and imprisoned for mentioning the names of Lenin and Stalin.

    Why are you saying this...how can you speak of such bronzed, granite-cast officials...don’t confuse the minds of the plebs and the mob.
    Everything is calm in Baghdad... comrades have appeared in the State Duma and are talking about abolishing pensions for the elderly... the pensioners are getting greedy, you know... and they have to work until they are taken to the graveyard.
    1. +12
      4 October 2023 06: 15
      do not confuse the minds of the plebs and mob.
      Sorry for confusing your mind.
  10. VLR
    +24
    4 October 2023 05: 29
    become familiar with the crime rate in countries with the death penalty and draconian laws. China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Korea - the legislation there is much harsher than ours, but there are also more criminals. Off the charts, I would say.

    This is where I didn't understand something. Especially about Iran and Saudi Arabia. What, then, did you forget to write about the novel about the UAE and Qatar? The crime rate there is approximately the same as in Saudi Arabia, that is, there is practically no crime, especially related to violence. And Seoul can hardly be compared with Marseille, which is called the most dangerous city in Europe, San Francisco, where blacks are allowed to rob stores, or the notorious Detroit.
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 07: 32
      Valery, I greet you!
      Marseille, which is called the most dangerous city in Europe, San Francisco, where blacks are allowed to rob stores

      Of course, the crime rate is judged by statistics.
      But why would blacks be allowed to rob stores in San Francisco?
      This is to say that Moscow is a maskwabad.
      I didn't see anything like this when I was in Frisco a few years ago. laughing
      1. +5
        4 October 2023 07: 49
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        I didn't see anything like this when I was in Frisco a few years ago.

        You've probably only been to tourist areas wink
        1. +5
          4 October 2023 08: 48
          You've probably only been to tourist areas

          Nah...I asked them to show where blacks can rob stores laughing laughing laughing
          1. man
            +1
            4 October 2023 19: 19
            Quote: Edward Vashchenko
            You've probably only been to tourist areas

            Nah...I asked them to show where blacks can rob stores laughing laughing laughing

            For what purpose were you interested? Are you a Negro...who has come for your share?
      2. +4
        4 October 2023 09: 26
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        This is to say that Moscow is a maskwabad.

        Well, yes, it's too early. Let's wait twenty years.
        1. +8
          4 October 2023 10: 20
          I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s already late, and in twenty it will probably be too late.
          1. +2
            4 October 2023 11: 28
            Quote from AdAstra
            I don’t know, I don’t know, it’s too late

            No, it’s not too late now, but in twenty years it will be truly unrealistic to replace the absolute majority with an indigenous minority.
      3. +11
        4 October 2023 14: 07
        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        blacks were allowed to rob stores in San Francisco

        In California, theft under $1000 is not considered a crime. Guess who uses this?
        California has become one of the first states in America where robbing stores is now completely legal. Newsweek publishes the result of the vote for the legalization of shoplifting in the Senate: “for” 27, “against” - only 8 officials:

        However, there is nothing sensational in this news. De facto theft in California is already legalized. And not only there.
        Since the murder of George Floyd, many states have passed anti-police reforms and decriminalized petty theft. For example, in California, theft of up to $950 is considered petty, in Washington and New York - up to $1000. It is not surprising that a wave of organized store robberies has covered all of America. They rob openly and without haste.
        Security and sellers do not interfere, but film everything on their phones. The situation has gotten so out of control that major retailers are reducing their opening hours, but the robbers have adjusted and are now coming in the morning. Businesses give up and “pack their bags.” In early May, one of the largest fashion retailers, Nordstrom, announced the imminent closure of its San Francisco stores, citing a "lack of measures to combat rampant criminal activity."
        San Francisco is generally becoming the American city from which retail stores, both grocery stores and clothing and electronics stores, are most actively fleeing.
        The Walgreen chain, which left the city shortly after the law was passed, is glad that it was among the first to leave the region, after the number of thefts in the city’s stores increased 5 times, and in the last months of operation 12 times.

        Another example: https://overclockers.ru/blog/TEXHAPb/show/94368/v-ssha-vorishki-prihodyat-v-magazin-s-kalkulyatorom-krazha-do-1000-ne-schitaetsya-prestupleniem
        Etc.


        Quote: Eduard Vaschenko
        This is to say that Moscow is a maskwabad.

        As a native Muscovite, I affirm this. Currently Moscow is Moscowabad. And I'm sure it will get worse.
        1. 0
          4 October 2023 15: 10
          In the Russian Federation 2 rubles, so what, what do we care about them?
    2. +1
      4 October 2023 20: 12
      Marseille, which is called the most dangerous city in Europe
      The statistics are spoiled by gang violence. If you're not in a gang, you'll be fine.
  11. +31
    4 October 2023 05: 40
    You can't argue with Roman. The hopelessness began in May 14th, when they finally “abandoned”. Those who disagreed were intimidated, shot, and the “slogans” were changed. The people were silent. Further, everything is according to Skomorokhov....

    Neither “Narusova’s children” nor the lumpen allow “Russian atoms” to structure and group.
    1. +10
      4 October 2023 06: 23
      What if they hadn't quit? The average Vasya from Zazhopinsk is much more concerned about the price of a liter of gasoline and a kilo of chicken than about new lands somewhere out there, because Vasya needs to feed his family for a small salary.
      1. +25
        4 October 2023 06: 31
        The average Vasya from Zazhopinsk is much more concerned about the price of a liter of gasoline and a kilo of chicken than about new lands somewhere out there
        The aforementioned Vasya was worried about the same thing after February 1917, and not the Dardanelles. He couldn’t get anything from the Dardanelles.
        1. -18
          4 October 2023 07: 25
          Quote: parusnik
          The average Vasya from Zazhopinsk is much more concerned about the price of a liter of gasoline and a kilo of chicken than about new lands somewhere out there
          The aforementioned Vasya was worried about the same thing after February 1917, and not the Dardanelles. He couldn’t get anything from the Dardanelles.

          In the same way, Vasya in the 1970s was worried about the presence of chicken, and not about flying into space.
          Quote: parusnik
          He couldn't get anything from the Dardanelles.
          1. +10
            4 October 2023 09: 28
            Quote: your1970
            In the same way, Vasya was worried about the presence of chicken in the 1970s

            There was chicken. Didn't you have chicken in the 70s? Where did you live?
            1. +7
              4 October 2023 10: 22
              Apparently on the same planet where our leaders now live. laughing
            2. -2
              4 October 2023 13: 02
              Quote: FIR FIR
              Quote: your1970
              In the same way, Vasya was worried about the presence of chicken in the 1970s

              There was chicken. Didn't you have chicken in the 70s? Where did you live?

              And you ask the author of the film "Office Romance" - the characters there ask with interest
              - where did you get the chicken?
              - they threw it away at a nearby store" (c)
              And it was filmed in Moscow belay in the quiet 1970s - not even in the 80s....
              But what am I talking about?
              So ordinary townspeople had blat in shops/bazaars/markets and meat, so there was heaps of meat at the state price
              Probably....
              Quote: Essex62
              The Soviet government clothed everyone, gave them shoes, fed them, and gave them jobs and salaries.

              But for some reason I remember Novocherkassk - there were probably a lot of liberals there at the electric locomotive plant. It’s just a liberal on a liberal...
          2. +8
            4 October 2023 09: 54
            And here you are lying. There were no problems with chicken, even in the most remote outback. The Soviet government clothed everyone, gave them shoes, fed them, and gave them jobs and salaries. Children and old people are a privileged class. And Vasya really needed and liked the victories and achievements of this power. He took part in them and felt his involvement in these victories.
            1. +1
              4 October 2023 12: 47
              Just don’t show those clothes and shoes to relatively young people. Which is from the authorities, and not from somewhere else. Otherwise they will definitely start beating them for mentioning Lenin and Stalin.
              1. +5
                4 October 2023 13: 42
                But don’t give a damn about the consumer hernia acquired by the bourgeois electorate and imposed on everyone. A person does not live by clothes alone. This is, firstly, and secondly, this is a task completely solvable by socialism, fashionable clothes, after solving more pressing problems.
                And yet, in any case, it’s better to walk in Chinese sneakers or boots from a factory, but as a hegemon, than in French boots, but under a huckster who is the enemy of the people. And with high-quality consumer goods, things are getting tighter and tougher these days. There are almost no people of our own, but the fighters with the West got too hot and they squeezed the goods.
                1. -3
                  4 October 2023 14: 15
                  So you don't care. And I’m not talking about you, but about the broad masses. What good is it to you to be a lonely holy fool in a crowd of fellow citizens laughing at you?
                  1. -2
                    4 October 2023 14: 54
                    This crowd is being built up and brought to a normal denominator at once. And I find that the holy fool is precisely the one who exchanges the dignity of a working man for an iPhone or lace panties. It is clear that this does not apply to managers, freelancers and other small-time workers accustomed to such a lifestyle by the bourgeois authorities. We'll have to treat it.
                    1. +3
                      4 October 2023 15: 23
                      But the Communist Party of the Russian Federation includes the precariat (freelancers) in its support group at the current stage :-)
                      By the way, haven’t you read from Marx about “the unnatural simplicity of a poor, rude, and needless person”? ;-) Your will, this rotten Bakuninism, generated by envy, which you promote, has no future for us. It’s too late, society is not the same as it was a hundred years ago.
                      1. -4
                        4 October 2023 23: 15
                        So there are no communists in the K"P" of the Russian Federation. And where did you get the idea that I stand for absolute asceticism, for a person without needs. This is unnatural. Socialism precisely sought to satisfy human needs more and better. Only this is not measured by junk. Becoming a slave to things and comfort is the path to degradation. There are more interesting needs.
                      2. +5
                        5 October 2023 01: 45
                        I don't know what you stand for. But I see that you believe that you know people’s needs better than the people themselves. This has already happened.
                      3. -2
                        5 October 2023 20: 20
                        In no case. But this cannot shake the principled position that “the one with the bipod is in charge.” This is exactly what this is about. Capitalism and everything generated by it are absolute evil. Proven by his entire existence. I don’t suggest going naked and barefoot. Only if it’s Falcon or Rolls, then it’s for everyone, and if not, then you can do without it.
                      4. +1
                        5 October 2023 20: 36
                        Quote: Essex62
                        the principled position that “the one with the bipod is in charge” cannot be shaken in any way.

                        “Bippods”, a peer, are also different. And if your “bipod” is a broom, and I have a CNC machine (well, for example), then one of us is “more important”... what do you say? wink

                        Quote: Essex62
                        if Falcon or Rolls, then for everyone

                        Are you proposing to match a broom-wielding slacker with a skilled workforce? Do you know what it will lead to, or should I explain it to you?
                      5. -1
                        5 October 2023 20: 44
                        Well, first of all, if you have a broom, you’re no longer a slacker. And secondly, both are in charge, because they work for wages. They are working.
                        You are strong enough to distort, my peer. I admire. good
                      6. -2
                        5 October 2023 20: 50
                        Quote: Essex62
                        You are strong enough to distort, my peer

                        Well, I can't compare with you. So:

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Well, first of all, if you have a broom, you’re no longer a slacker

                        But stupid. Compared to a CNC operator, for example. Objections, additions?

                        Quote: Essex62
                        both are in charge, because they work for wages

                        Do they have the same salary? Or is it different? And if different, how is the “importance” of what is with the broom expressed?
                      7. 0
                        6 October 2023 08: 53
                        Where did I go wrong? Quote "to the studio."
                        Where did I write about equal?
                        The fact is that both work.
                        Do you need to chew on what this is about, or did you understand it yourself?
                      8. -2
                        7 October 2023 08: 41
                        Quote: Essex62
                        Where did I go wrong? Quote "to the studio"

                        Well, you don’t have to pretend to be a girl, right? We are all no longer girls... laughing

                        Quote: Essex62
                        Where did I write about equal?

                        Yeah. That is, the more qualified the higher the salary. Much more - much higher. What about this then:

                        Quote: Essex62
                        if Falcon or Rolls,then for everyoneand if not, then you can do without it

                        Is it equalizing, my friend? Inconsistency...

                        Work on yourself, I believe in you Yes
                      9. +1
                        6 October 2023 01: 46
                        The quote above about a rude person without needs is taken from Marx’s note about rude communism. And this is exactly what you are promoting, once again you showed this with your comment. Your right, but, I repeat, the chances of building it are extremely low. Our society ceased to be traditional by the end of the sixties, this is the consequences of Stalinist industrialization, by the way. To most, your understanding of justice is simply uninteresting and seems like ordinary envy, as it once seemed to Marx.
                      10. -1
                        6 October 2023 09: 00
                        Yes, I promote communism. Envy? To whom? To an unprincipled, deceitful, arrogant huckster? Which, to paraphrase the same Marx, for any crime, for the sake of margin? In no case. To stoop to such a level is beneath the dignity of a working man.
                        And let me ask you, what do you consider justice? When one is on a yacht 100 meters away, and the other is put in survival conditions?
                        Well, you can’t argue with the fact that modern people, reformatted under the man-wolf system, are not interested in justice. Selfishness and the golden calf are placed on a pedestal.
                        Stalin's industrialization created a new man, it's true. Selfless work for the good of the country was adequately paid. But work, Karl, work. And not speculation on what was produced overseas, usury, theft from the treasury, etc.
                      11. -1
                        7 October 2023 08: 44
                        Quote: Essex62
                        And let me ask you, what do you consider justice? When one is on a yacht 100 meters away, and the other is put in survival conditions?

                        My friend, I’ll speak for myself: I lived in these “survival conditions” from approximately 1986 to 2002. The result is a very good training (I still hold on to it), a lot of useful skills (and even more useless ones), for which, you won’t believe it, they actually pay money. And very good, in our times. So - “on the brink of survival” - this is not always a bad thing, there, on this brink, interesting things sometimes happen wink laughing
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                2. +8
                  4 October 2023 14: 16
                  Quote: Essex62
                  And the situation with high-quality consumer goods is now increasingly difficult. There are almost no people of our own, but the fighters with the West got too hot and they squeezed the goods.

                  But this, by the way, is a stronger threat than the supply of Western weapons to Kyiv. I’m not making any assessments in this case, I’m just reporting an observed fact.
                  1. Aag
                    0
                    4 October 2023 19: 18
                    Quote from: linux28
                    Quote: Essex62
                    And the situation with high-quality consumer goods is now increasingly difficult. There are almost no people of our own, but the fighters with the West got too hot and they squeezed the goods.

                    But this, by the way, is a stronger threat than the supply of Western weapons to Kyiv. I’m not making any assessments in this case, I’m just reporting an observed fact.

                    A categorical “+” to you from me for this comment. Because I wanted to respond to your above comments with something similar: How will they cover up consumer goods (smartphones, hair dyes, cars, etc., etc.) from the outside?!
                    It seems that then the ranks of those dissatisfied with...hmmm..."the current state of affairs" will become many times larger. At the expense of admirers of “lace panties” (and there are already plenty of them). This is what the authorities are afraid of - they are trying with all their might to paint a Picture of well-being (it turns out differently in different age and social groups).
                    I suspect that additional mobilization is not being carried out or announced, for the same reasons - “not to provoke protest sentiments”, “Everything is according to plan!”...
                    ... But one can only guess about the true plans. And the guesses are looming dark... (((
                    hi
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2023 23: 36
                      I think they'll get out. The modern backbone is extremely resourceful and this time it will not set itself up. They will feed the megacities, where their main support is. And the plan is simple to continue to eat at three throats, sucking resources from Russia, “melting” them into golden toilets. hi
                3. +2
                  4 October 2023 14: 54
                  Quote: Essex62
                  secondly, this is a task completely solvable by socialism, fashionable clothes, after solving more pressing problems.

                  which the USSR could not solve and began to purchase for currency- all sorts of “Montanas”, “Rifles”, “Black Horses” and so on
                  1. +3
                    4 October 2023 15: 33
                    The absence of your jeans in commercial quantities is surprising from the word “absolutely”. I thought there was a pity for indigo currency, but recently I accidentally found out that from Dagestan to Kazakhstan around the Caspian Sea there grows grass that is not as rich in indigo as indigo itself, but contains this dye in quite commercial quantities. Under Tsar Gorokh, we got it from there. And this inability or unwillingness to produce the simplest and most crap, but in demand fabric... It’s not impressive.
                    1. +1
                      5 October 2023 00: 24
                      In the Russian Federation they do not produce fabrics at all, good ones were bought in Italy, the rest in China, only Chinese remains
                  2. -3
                    4 October 2023 23: 25
                    The USSR could not, but the new, modernized Union, without ballast, can, taking into account the mistakes of the past. Do you see any difficulties in implementing something like this based on modern scientific and technological progress achievements?
                    1. 0
                      5 October 2023 22: 31
                      Quote: Essex62
                      The USSR could not, but the new, modernized Union, without ballast, can, taking into account the mistakes of the past. Do you see any difficulties in implementing something like this based on modern scientific and technological progress achievements?
                      - but there are a lot of complexities. The word “plan” - no, haven’t you heard?
                      In Kushka there were Burans in the store. Well, where would there be without Burans beyond the Karakum desert...
                      My friend of the same age from Perm called his brother, under the pretext of purchasing watermelons, he drove 2 Kamaz trucks from there. They bought all 6 Burans and took them away.
                      There they changed it to 4 Volgas, which were pushed back to Turkmenistan.
                      As a result of these operations, Vaska was built a cooperative one-room apartment in Perm for demobilization.
                      And the reason for all these manipulations, scams and corruption (yeah, the traffic cops had to explain all the way that they saw Burans as watermelons!!) was His Majesty’s Plan.
                      All republics were entitled to 1000 tons (conditionally!!) of the deficit - and they were given the deficit. Only it was never in demand in Turkmenistan...
                      1. 0
                        6 October 2023 01: 39
                        Soviet Turkmenistan exceeded its sales plan for sleeping bags. Not because everyone is a radio amateur, but because opium is convenient to smoke. These are the distant and unexpected consequences of GOELRO, which has been imposed on traditional culture. People change more slowly and less predictably than the founders thought.
                      2. -1
                        7 October 2023 05: 32
                        Can you read? No ballast. Which Turkmenistan is Uzbekistan? No need. The border is locked. And a planned economy is wonderful. The main thing is not to forget - socialism is control and accounting. And strictly “with the human factor”. As under Vissarionich. To have such facts of “market economy” as with your friend from Perm, never even once.
              2. +2
                4 October 2023 14: 28
                Just don’t show those clothes and shoes to relatively young people. Which is from the authorities, and not from somewhere else. Otherwise they will definitely start beating them for mentioning Lenin and Stalin.

                Why so categorically? I have 2 new men's shirts from 1990. Just as a memory of the normal cut for a person, not an alien, and the material. Which are simply not available in the budget segment now. There was also a minus - there was not a plastic insert in the collar, but a cardboard one, periodically my wife had to rip it out and change it.
                1. -3
                  4 October 2023 14: 47
                  Quote: A vile skeptic
                  Just don’t show those clothes and shoes to relatively young people. Which is from the authorities, and not from somewhere else. Otherwise they will definitely start beating them for mentioning Lenin and Stalin.

                  Why so categorically? I have 2 new men's shirts from 1990. Just as a memory of the normal cut for a person, not an alien, and the material. Which are simply not available in the budget segment now. There was also a minus - there was not a plastic insert in the collar, but a cardboard one, periodically my wife had to rip it out and change it.
                  Well, by and large, I suspect that even then they didn’t cost 98 kopecks - since they lasted so long. And 3-5 rubles for a salary of 120 was no longer very budget-friendly.
                  And then they did it well, but not cheaply. My Chinese sneakers from 1990 (which were changed to my size by region lol ) lasted until 2003, then the paw just became wider..
                  And it’s not even leather - something like velvet - but non-wipeable, without getting dirty.
                  But they cost 30 rubles - today it’s 7-10 thousand, no less...
                  1. +4
                    4 October 2023 14: 55
                    since they lasted so long.

                    Specifically, these two are unworn - "...stored 2 new men's shirts 1990. Just like a memory..."
                    Their wife accidentally discovered them already in the 2000s recourse
                    Not 98 kopecks, 8,50 seems to be on the tag
                    And 3-5 rubles for a salary of 120 was no longer very budget-friendly.

                    In 1990 the salary was 120 re?
                    Even the official average was already under 300.
                    1. +3
                      4 October 2023 15: 23
                      8,50 I think you should look at the tag

                      looked - 6.50
                    2. -2
                      4 October 2023 15: 57
                      Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                      In 1990 the salary was 120 re?
                      Even the official average was already under 300.

                      Mom received 128 being, as you remember, small - but the bosses before 1992.
                      She was raised in 1992, shortly before my marriage.
                      The average 300 was just like now the average 42 - declared....
                      1. 0
                        4 October 2023 16: 12
                        The average 300 was just like now the average 42 - declared....

                        For 1990 this was the case (not “declarability”, but “average”). And that was bad.
                        PS By the way, now the average is already written as 70, and the median as 50 tr.
                        PPS In 1990, I received 330 as a senior worker (these are those who for some reason are credited with a salary of 120 rubles in the USSR) at the enterprise
                      2. +2
                        4 October 2023 16: 24
                        The assistant professor had a salary of 320. 90 - computer operator at the university. But these are just salaries, that’s how it worked out better.
                        350 - deputy the head of the computer center or an electrician in the same computer center at a mid-level plant. 120 computer operator there. But this comes with bonuses. 700 - head of the information and computing center.
                      3. +1
                        4 October 2023 16: 54
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        PPS In 1990, I received 330 as a senior worker (these are those who for some reason are credited with a salary of 120 rubles in the USSR) at the enterprise

                        So the MNS is credited with 120, but God bless him.
                        In 1991, in practice as a technician, I earned a little over 1000 a month.
                        Our girls are chamberlains-98.
                        Adding them and my mother’s 128 and dividing by 4, we get 574 belay belay average salary among us.
                        Some eat cabbage, others eat meat, but together they all eat cabbage rolls(c)

                        ETKS with salary tariffs changed after 1991 - therefore, officially the average salary simply could not increase.
                      4. 0
                        4 October 2023 17: 10
                        ETKS with salary tariffs was changed after 1991

                        And before 1991, when did they change? Was the Central Bureau of Labor Standards in hibernation until this time? ))
                        So the MNS is credited with 120, but God bless him.

                        This is a bare starting salary without allowances or bonuses. So it was more. There, half of the “less necessary employees” and 120 had nothing to pay for; they were least interested in science.
                      5. Aag
                        +1
                        4 October 2023 20: 12
                        Quote: your1970
                        Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                        PPS In 1990, I received 330 as a senior worker (these are those who for some reason are credited with a salary of 120 rubles in the USSR) at the enterprise

                        So the MNS is credited with 120, but God bless him.
                        In 1991, in practice as a technician, I earned a little over 1000 a month.
                        Our girls are chamberlains-98.
                        Adding them and my mother’s 128 and dividing by 4, we get 574 belay belay average salary among us.
                        Some eat cabbage, others eat meat, but together they all eat cabbage rolls(c)

                        ETKS with salary tariffs changed after 1991 - therefore, officially the average salary simply could not increase.

                        Sorry for interrupting...
                        Memory, it's so...
                        Therefore, we take out Komsomol membership cards and look at the contributions!))).
                        91st, 93rd years is a very real display of income (not counting the black marketeers, the cooperative society...).
                        What? Not everyone has tickets left?! I understand if it never happened. Well, since they burned it... Entrance to a bright future with tickets (like a joke(()), old tickets (previously purchased are valid! - even greater irony, self-irony...).
                        In general... I am grateful to everyone (!) gathered under this article.
                        ...(And to you, Comrade Mr.)...
                        Yes, - fatigue; yes - depression; ... but, believe me, I am sincerely happy about today’s controversy! Apparently, a special merit in this goes to the author of the article, Roman. hi
                        And, it seems, he is achieving his goal - Ours: We are starting to Talk!
                        Of course, I do not agree with all the opinions of commentators, and/or disagree completely. (I hope, like each of us!).
                        I was sincerely pleased by the mutual respect of those present. hi
                        I want to believe, - the understanding comes that we will have to shovel together (even despite individual wishes, opinions - what about politics, opportunities?! - if Che, he will cover everyone!!).
                        Based on the above:
                        1) I am sincerely glad that I am not an individual “stupid person”, “defeatist”, “paranoid”...
                        2) I am glad that the quantity and quality of problems have been widely realized (the first, necessary step towards the possibility of solving them).;
                        3) Vaguely, but there has been some awareness that it is necessary to resolve primary, vital issues, - further, - in a descending manner;
                        ... I could go on for a long time... I graduated from the Political College))...
                        Faculty of Engineering!!!
                        ...True, -Guys, Men, Fathers, Boys! Good health, luck and prudence to everyone!
                        "The enemy will not pass!!!" hi
                      6. -2
                        5 October 2023 20: 08
                        Plus, only the enemy is already right here at home and teaching our children.
                      7. man
                        +3
                        4 October 2023 19: 39
                        In 1990, I received 330 as a senior worker (these are those who for some reason are credited with a salary of 120 rubles in the USSR) at the enterprise
                        Senior researchers received 300 rubles back in the early 80s and worked at the institutes of the USSR Academy of Sciences and its branches.
                      8. -1
                        5 October 2023 09: 50
                        Senior researchers ... worked at the institutes of the USSR Academy of Sciences and its branches.

                        )))
                      9. man
                        0
                        5 October 2023 11: 46
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Senior researchers ... worked at the institutes of the USSR Academy of Sciences and its branches.

                        )))

                        What made you laugh, Timur? smile
                        Well, they also worked in the republican Academy of Sciences...
                        It was not acceptable to call academic institutions enterprises, this confused me
                      10. +3
                        5 October 2023 12: 46
                        What made you laugh, Timur?

                        The fact that the SNS were bored in AN. And this is just a scientific position. There were senior research assistants (as well as junior research assistants, senior research assistants, senior research assistants, senior research assistants) both in institutions of higher education and in research institutes not related to the Academy of Sciences. They were also at enterprises. Where they were sent from research institutes or which were part of research institutes to solve specific applied problems. For example, the Zuevskaya State District Power Plant, which began operating in 1932 according to the GOELRO plan, began to be used as an experimental site for VTI in 1978 (in addition to the Moscow Thermal Power Plant VTI). In particular, the thermotechnical regimes characteristic of the operation of nuclear power plants were recreated and studied. hi
                      11. 0
                        5 October 2023 14: 29
                        The heroes of Granin's "Seekers" work at Lenenergo. I don’t remember offhand whether senior researchers are mentioned there at least once, but these are undoubtedly scientific workers, so there were senior scientists among them, even if they are not mentioned in the novel.
                      12. man
                        0
                        8 October 2023 10: 56
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        What made you laugh, Timur?

                        The fact that the SNS were bored in AN. And this is just a scientific position. There were senior research assistants (as well as junior research assistants, senior research assistants, senior research assistants, senior research assistants) both in institutions of higher education and in research institutes not related to the Academy of Sciences. They were also at enterprises. Where they were sent from research institutes or which were part of research institutes to solve specific applied problems. For example, the Zuevskaya State District Power Plant, which began operating in 1932 according to the GOELRO plan, began to be used as an experimental site for VTI in 1978 (in addition to the Moscow Thermal Power Plant VTI). In particular, the thermotechnical regimes characteristic of the operation of nuclear power plants were recreated and studied. hi

                        Well, let’s say you’re confusing it with universities, there were associate professors there smile In any case, until the year 80 inclusive. And at the enterprises there were engineers and designers of various categories, I did not meet scientific employees, even in design bureaus at academic institutes. Maybe they appeared later, in the second half of the 80s, as a result of the reform, when in In the institutes of the Academy of Sciences there appeared NS, VNS, GS. Before that there were only MS and SN. I was busy doing a dissertation at my institute and didn’t particularly follow the news
                      13. 0
                        5 October 2023 14: 26

                        REGULATIONS ON THE PROCEDURE FOR AWARDING ACADEMIC DEGREES AND ASSIGNING ACADEMIC TITLES
                        ...
                        4. The academic titles of professor, associate professor, senior researcher are assigned by the USSR Higher Attestation Commission on the recommendation of the councils of higher educational institutions or research institutions (scientific and production associations), which are given the right by these Regulations to initiate petitions for the assignment of the corresponding academic titles.


                        This is from the latest Soviet Regulations. Well, positions, respectively, were also in scientific and production organizations, which were quite enterprises.
                      14. man
                        0
                        8 October 2023 11: 13
                        Quote from: linux28

                        REGULATIONS ON THE PROCEDURE FOR AWARDING ACADEMIC DEGREES AND ASSIGNING ACADEMIC TITLES
                        ...
                        4. The academic titles of professor, associate professor, senior researcher are assigned by the USSR Higher Attestation Commission on the recommendation of the councils of higher educational institutions or research institutions (scientific and production associations), which are given the right by these Regulations to initiate petitions for the assignment of the corresponding academic titles.


                        This is from the latest Soviet Regulations. Well, positions, respectively, were also in scientific and production organizations, which were quite enterprises.

                        In what year did this Regulation appear? I graduated from a technical university, I remember professors, associate professors, assistants, but I can’t remember a single scientific employee request
                        Maybe they appeared after the 80s or were senior research assistants only in humanitarian universities?
                2. 0
                  4 October 2023 15: 24
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Why so categorically? I have 2 new men's shirts from 1990.

                  That would suit me too. But I'm not young :-)
                  1. +2
                    4 October 2023 15: 54
                    That would suit me too. But I'm not young :-)

                    Here in this quote from Brecht
                    Art is not a mirror reflecting reality, but a hammer that shapes it

                    you just need to replace “art” with “culture”. In today’s strange world, culture is shaped by marketing (just today I was explaining to my daughter that the “evaporated sugar cane juice” written in the ingredients is just sugar).
                    1. +3
                      4 October 2023 16: 09
                      You and I have some pretty monotonous dialogues. Figuratively, I say that someone has the flu, and you say that the flu is a viral disease. There is no arguing that you are right, but the fact of illness does not change that.
                      Yes, marketing shapes it, although it is not the only one. But at least two generations have grown up in this culture, and it is impossible to do anything about it in a short time.
                    2. +2
                      4 October 2023 16: 12
                      PS And I don’t agree about the quote. Culture, in fact, is everything that is not nature. Not a mirror or a hammer, it is reality itself.
                3. +1
                  4 October 2023 15: 24
                  Quote: Nefarious skeptic
                  Why so categorically? I have 2 new men's shirts from 1990.

                  That would suit me too. But I'm not young :-)
        2. 0
          4 October 2023 10: 43
          exactly!!!!!!! It's nice that you have similar thoughts
  12. +13
    4 October 2023 05: 40
    You can't argue with Roman. The hopelessness began in May 14th, when they finally “abandoned”. Those who disagreed were intimidated, shot, and the “slogans” were changed. The people were silent. Further, everything is according to Skomorokhov....

    Neither “Narusova’s children” nor the lumpen allow “Russian atoms” to structure and group.
    1. +11
      4 October 2023 07: 47
      Hopelessness began in May 14th

      Hopelessness began at the end of 1991.. Since then, all we have been doing is sliding into the abyss...
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  13. +29
    4 October 2023 05: 57
    And I liked the article! Yes, everything is a heap, but there really are problems, and unfortunately they are not being solved much. Yes, lately I myself have only been interested in the news of the Northern Military District, politics and everything else; I’m already trying not to watch it at all, just to get upset in vain. Because I know perfectly well that one will express concern, the second will say that he is not in the know, and the third will collect all his snot, remember the Pechenegs, cross himself, and forward to a bright future. But I see less and less of the future, everywhere you look there is collapse and vacillation, and as they say, I wish I didn’t know better, even if I slept better... No matter what industry you take, there is trouble everywhere, and some people are completely disconnected from reality. For example, colleagues from Moscow came to my work; yesterday’s student, who holds the same position as me, receives 230 thousand rubles there. And I in my outback 40-50 thousand rubles. At the same time, I have many times more work and responsibilities. After all, in Moscow they say prices are higher.... Only as one madam said, pasta costs the same everywhere, but honestly it’s a shame for such injustice, and unfortunately there is more and more of it every day. And I personally am already tired of fairy tales, I want to live, I want a family, I want to work normally, I don’t need millions, but I just want to live normally, and not from paycheck to paycheck, barely making ends meet.
    1. +6
      4 October 2023 14: 00
      ...but there really are problems, and unfortunately they are not being solved much.

      You are probably really too young to make such a mild conclusion about “particularly unsolvable problems.”
      Did you like the article? Congratulations!
      When you understand that the author simply cannot say EVERYTHING he wants to say, this will be your next step towards growing up.
      But won't it be too late...???
      1. Aag
        0
        4 October 2023 22: 43
        Quote from: turbina2367
        ...but there really are problems, and unfortunately they are not being solved much.

        You are probably really too young to make such a mild conclusion about “particularly unsolvable problems.”
        Did you like the article? Congratulations!
        When you understand that the author simply cannot say EVERYTHING he wants to say, this will be your next step towards growing up.
        But won't it be too late...???

        And, nevertheless, - I found at least one Plus for myself, for the Fatherland, - not in the Article, - in the polemics caused by the Article (Thanks to the Author!), - I repeat, - Thanks to everyone present for the rare unity (!), despite different understanding of situation, personal ambitions, beliefs... Apparently, after all, We managed to preserve something in common that unites Us?
        Sorry, it looks like this is the last thing we can all count on... ((( hi
  14. +8
    4 October 2023 06: 01
    Not as a reproach to those who live in Yekaterinburg, Tyumen and Tomsk. It's quiet there.
    It’s quiet, but there are plenty of mobilized people on the streets of Tyumen. But people really hardly talk about the war...
  15. +9
    4 October 2023 06: 03
    Roman, are you sure that the crime rate in China, South Korea and Saudi Arabia is off the charts? In fact, the crime rate there is lower than in Israel and Finland. Further, you write that in three cities the number of “closed-in people” is growing. But you don’t Do you know how many “withdrawn people” are there in villages and among people over 60? Well, the last question. What do young people and the population in general care about this war?
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  17. +22
    4 October 2023 06: 17
    A very true point about apathy.

    And the most unfortunate thing is that a person has only one “quick” and guaranteed way out of apathy - namely, immigration.

    The option to win, but how can a simple civilian win in the Northern Military District - a contract, the same apathy in the trenches, especially if the unit is not on the first line.

    Convincing the country's elite to change course sounds like a joke.
  18. -9
    4 October 2023 06: 32
    There are plenty of idiots everywhere, including among the “patriots,” and I don’t think it’s right to make a fart explosion out of this.
  19. +17
    4 October 2023 06: 36
    Great article! Thanks to the author, I recognized myself at almost every point. I have long been disillusioned with everything that surrounds me, looking at how no one cares about everything and how the promised things are in reality. Therefore, the desire to do something or fight for something has long been lost. Shut yourself off from everything and everyone and burn it all with blue (yes, any) flame. On the contrary, I want everything around to be completely shaken up, maybe then everything will change.
    1. Aag
      +1
      4 October 2023 23: 07
      Quote: Vadim S
      Great article! Thanks to the author, I recognized myself at almost every point. I have long been disillusioned with everything that surrounds me, looking at how no one cares about everything and how the promised things are in reality. Therefore, the desire to do something or fight for something has long been lost. Shut yourself off from everything and everyone and burn it all with blue (yes, any) flame. On the contrary, I want everything around to be completely shaken up, maybe then everything will change.

      Greetings!
      Of course, you are not the first (although...if you look at the time of the comment....) who admits the stalemate of the situation... Let's put it this way.
      There are also regulars of the Forum (sorry, I didn’t even suspect the existence of some, there are those who are always online, there are also individual “pearls” (in a good sense - you can’t see, you can’t hear, but then they will shine!).
      True(!) - thank you all! - today I didn’t find a single depressing comment under... Heavy article... Perhaps everyone was pleased with the adequacy! (and this is against the backdrop of a bleak overall picture!)...
      Keep it up, Guys, Men, Gentlemen, Boys, Comrades...
      Colleagues!!: I think (hopes): if each of us calms down his ardor (however, most of those present are adults, seasoned) will begin to listen, hear opponents, - think, - discuss (Comrade Mr. will not let you lie! ))), I hope something will come out that can leave children and grandchildren without acute worries about their future... (I was scared of my optimism! - Nooo... - these are wishes!!!)))) hi
  20. 0
    4 October 2023 06: 41
    Some kind of stream of consciousness: "Are you for the communists or for the Bolsheviks?"
    1. Aag
      -1
      4 October 2023 23: 12
      Quote: Slavutich
      Some kind of stream of consciousness: "Are you for the communists or for the Bolsheviks?"

      Well, it began ...
      This is not the first year that this forum has been unable (we cannot) decide on definitions and concepts - what a communist is (was) a Bolshevik!
      No offense....
      And I hope I understand your “complaint”...
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    1. +18
      4 October 2023 08: 40
      The government in the country is inadequate and treacherous

      Come on - when, say, Wells's Martians pumped blood out of people, were they kind of traitors and inadequate? When a shark bites a vacationer, does it betray him? When bedbugs don't let you sleep - are they inadequate? It’s the same with our supreme ones... They stupidly eat us. Their nature is like this - cannibalistic... Because capitalism.
      1. +3
        4 October 2023 10: 16
        Quote: paul3390
        They are stupidly eating us. Their nature is like this - cannibalistic... Because capitalism.

        No, this is already cannibalism.
        1. +3
          4 October 2023 10: 45
          capitalism = cannibalism, this is the ABC of political economy
      2. +1
        4 October 2023 12: 49
        It should be noted that they did not acquire this nature under capitalism. There aren't many young people there yet...
  22. +31
    4 October 2023 06: 48
    Everything is so, and unfortunately there are no prerequisites for improvement. I would like to say the most banal phrase “stop the Earth, I’ll get off”, the question is, where? I don’t want to idealize the USSR; there were plenty of problems there too, but there was no hopelessness. And here..., as they say "beznadega.ru"
    1. +17
      4 October 2023 07: 52
      Quote: Alexey 1970
      I don’t want to idealize the USSR, there were plenty of problems there too, but there was no hopelessness

      There was confidence in the future!
    2. 0
      4 October 2023 10: 48
      and there is no need to return to the USSR, we need to build a new society where the means of production belong to the workers, taking into account the experience of Soviet construction, avoiding mistakes.
  23. +12
    4 October 2023 06: 51
    ...if you can’t see the end of the SVO, at least look through a stereo tube?

    That’s right, the men come on leave to rest, they wave their hands and there’s no end in sight, they say. We shoot, they shoot and vice versa.
    1. +2
      4 October 2023 10: 49
      classic situation of the year, like 1916
  24. +5
    4 October 2023 07: 02
    Quote: parusnik
    The average Vasya from Zazhopinsk is much more concerned about the price of a liter of gasoline and a kilo of chicken than about new lands somewhere out there
    The aforementioned Vasya was worried about the same thing after February 1917, and not the Dardanelles. He couldn’t get anything from the Dardanelles.

    Absolutely right, the Amers have a competent idea in this regard, they declare that their country is great because the American dream is possible in it, perhaps, in theory, by hard work to achieve any heights, as my friend who has visited the USA more than once said, this is the only thing that most of them citizens care and this is what Americans will mostly fight for.
    And Vasya, whether Kharkov or the Dardanelles is on the side, his employer is unlikely to add our money to him for the fact that the Dardanelles.
    1. 0
      4 October 2023 20: 23
      , they declare that their country is great because the American dream is possible in it
      Americans have not believed in this idea for a long time, comparing it with Santa Claus Yes . Like, only a very naive person can believe in this.
  25. +9
    4 October 2023 07: 05
    If we translate all the examples where we have it wrong, then there won’t be enough servers for the article. They planned it as a super victory, but it didn’t go according to plan, like a litmus, it raised a bunch of problems hidden by the more or less prosperous 06-2019. What to do ? - wait for a miracle or some unusual event that will allow you to complete your life. For me, at the moment, to complete it, you either need to use nuclear weapons (the Russian Federation is a global outcast country) or call up about a million more people (loss of human potential)
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 12: 50
      If VTsIOM is at least partly right, then another million may not go to Kyiv.
      1. -1
        4 October 2023 15: 24
        Everything is true, but I think the same VTsIOM will confirm that a loss in its own will lead to the splitting off of entire regions.
        1. +2
          4 October 2023 15: 34
          Almost certainly. But you and I are starting to compare warm with soft. Meaning?
  26. -18
    4 October 2023 07: 06
    The millionth article with the leitmotif that Russia is a worthless country, and the whole good world has rebelled against it. And rightly so for Russia. And it was not for nothing that he rebelled. “The whole world” cannot be wrong in its desire to crush its main geopolitical adversary to the level of a banana republic. And then the author presented “evidence”, outlining the unsightly shortcomings inherent in EVERY state, ignoring the facts and the logical law of sufficient reason.
    1. -12
      4 October 2023 07: 26
      Quote: CleanKeys
      And then the author provided “evidence”, outlining the unsightly shortcomings inherent in EVERY state, ignoring the facts and the logical law of sufficient reason.

      Classic. It would be surprising if he didn't.
    2. 0
      4 October 2023 20: 43
      Quote: CleanKeys
      unsightly shortcomings characteristic of EVERY state

      Every state has its shortcomings, but yours is true. But I think if you were given a choice, you would prefer to live in Switzerland rather than in Haiti.
      1. -5
        4 October 2023 21: 11
        Quote: CleanKeys
        And then the author provided “evidence”, outlining the unsightly shortcomings inherent in EVERY state, ignoring the facts and the logical law of sufficient reason

        Quote: Yaroslav Tekkel
        Quote: CleanKeys
        unsightly shortcomings characteristic of EVERY state

        Every state has its shortcomings, but yours is true. But I think if you were given a choice, you would prefer to live in Switzerland rather than in Haiti

        Another sad troll. Taking it out of context, changing the subject of discussion... Boring, Yasha request
  27. +6
    4 October 2023 07: 15
    Quote: Igor1915
    If we translate all the examples where we have it wrong, then there won’t be enough servers for the article. They planned it as a super victory, but it didn’t go according to plan, like a litmus, it raised a bunch of problems hidden by the more or less prosperous 06-2019. What to do ? - wait for a miracle or some unusual event that will allow you to complete your life. For me, at the moment, to complete it, you either need to use nuclear weapons (the Russian Federation is a global outcast country) or call up about a million more people (loss of human potential)

    A million people are dangerous, this is already close to the WWII situation when too many rifles were hanging on their shoulders.
    1. 0
      4 October 2023 08: 40
      I don’t see any other way, I think the Russian Federation will not be able to win by starvation (in the case of Ukraine there is no way to lose - it could lead to the collapse of the country with even more victims), therefore it is necessary to push its borders away from the large Russian Federation - this is an offensive to carry out such a large offensive requires 500000 trained military personnel or 1000000 conscripts. Or Yao.
    2. -1
      4 October 2023 08: 40
      I don’t see any other way, I think the Russian Federation will not be able to win by starvation (in the case of Ukraine there is no way to lose - it could lead to the collapse of the country with even more victims), therefore it is necessary to push its borders away from the large Russian Federation - this is an offensive to carry out such a large offensive requires 500000 trained military personnel or 1000000 conscripts. Or Yao.
    3. 0
      4 October 2023 08: 42
      So it turns out that Russians should strive to join their own under a contract. More people - more rifles - more problems. In order to prevent this, we must quickly finish our work one way or another.
      1. +1
        4 October 2023 09: 45
        Do you know how to finish it with some benefit? I think now no one knows how to end it in favor of the Russian Federation.
        1. -1
          4 October 2023 12: 52
          In general, this means that it is necessary to minimize losses, since there are no benefits to be obtained. This is what we seem to be starting to observe.
          1. -1
            4 October 2023 15: 27
            Can you imagine what Ukraine will roll out if the Russian Federation wants to go to peace, I was interested in this - I looked at representatives of the Ukrainian leadership, if the Russian Federation agrees to these conditions, the question is whether it will exist
            1. +1
              4 October 2023 15: 38
              I can’t imagine exactly, and you can’t imagine. But obviously the conditions will not be great. But this does not mean that our state will not agree to a world war. My favorite example is the recent textbook “Fundamentals of Russian Statehood” with a discussion of what delimitation/demarcation of the border with the “rest of Ukraine” might look like. There's talk about exchanging a ravine for a mound or something like that. Well, what is considered a ravine... is an open question.
  28. +7
    4 October 2023 07: 16
    Well done author, he did the job. But the author does not seem to know that our government is keeping pace with globalization. And what are the globalists doing:
    Population reduction%
    destruction of the middle class, as the most advanced and resistant% blurring of boundaries for the formation of a single entity without borders, where everything will be decided not by states, but by cross-border companies, such as black rock%
    Driving the population into certain concentration camps with a chip and key fobs: we don’t have this yet, but look at China, it’s all already normal%
    And the actions of our government fit very well within the framework of this globalization: this is the destruction of our medicine, this is the destruction of our education, this is the degradation of the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this is digitalization and pension reform.
    I got the impression that the head is no longer alive, the laws are signed electronically by some AI, and so on in a similar vein.
    I really hope I'm wrong. And yes, no one can change anything alone.
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 07: 47
      governments fit very well within the framework of this globalization: this is the destruction of our medicine, this is the destruction of our education, this is the degradation of the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, this is digitalization and pension reform.
      I got the impression that the head is no longer alive, the laws are signed electronically by some AI,

      + 10000!
    2. +1
      4 October 2023 09: 53
      [B]
      Driving the population into some kind of concentration camps with a chip and key fobs: we don’t have that yet[
      /b]Well, of course, the phone number is asked for more often than the passport..
  29. -13
    4 October 2023 07: 28
    The article is not an analysis, but a vinaigrette of failed hopes.
    The level of a young man who, at the end of his life, remained a young man with his illusory hopes.
    It’s even strange that such a vinaigrette could appear here in the form of an article.
    1. +8
      4 October 2023 07: 55
      Quote: Architect
      It’s even strange that such a vinaigrette could appear here in the form of an article.

      Well, take the vinaigrette apart into its components and tell us which product you don’t like.
      1. -12
        4 October 2023 08: 01
        Well, take the vinaigrette apart and tell us which product you don’t like

        There's no point.
        This is stooping to the level of the author.
        There are people who work, create a product, bring benefits to people, and there are people like TS who only sees crap around them.
        1. +8
          4 October 2023 14: 10
          You are asked to refute at least something from the facts presented in the article. Then you will not sink, but rise to the level of the author!
          And so... it smells like crap all around you...
  30. +2
    4 October 2023 07: 56
    Russia will have a future when they bring a ginger cat in a cage.
  31. +12
    4 October 2023 07: 57
    Stalin accepted Russia in bast shoes, and left it with an atomic bomb - W. Churchill.
    Putin accepted the country with an atomic bomb, but what will he leave it with? Bast shoes seem to be made from birch bark, should they remain?
    1. +17
      4 October 2023 08: 22
      Bast shoes seem to be made from birch bark, but they should stay

      They will remain, but will become much more expensive due to the growth of the dollar!
    2. +5
      4 October 2023 09: 00
      “Lapti seem to be made from birch bark, should they stay?”
      The birch has gone to China, what kind of bast shoes?
    3. +6
      4 October 2023 11: 06
      Putin accepted the country with an atomic bomb, but what will he leave it with?

      With galoshes.
    4. -1
      4 October 2023 13: 31
      And the birches, whose are they? They belong to someone else. So - barefoot...
    5. +4
      4 October 2023 15: 29
      Bast shoes were made by Tsarist Russia, the USSR made galoshes (C). What will the modern Russia of Vladimir Vladimirovich and the chicks (chicks?) of his nest be able to do? I hope that he will be able to do something other than white slippers for the people.
  32. +9
    4 October 2023 07: 58
    Not as a reproach to those who live in Yekaterinburg, Tyumen and Tomsk. It's quiet there.
    It’s also quiet here in the village, but the number of graves who died there is increasing
  33. +6
    4 October 2023 08: 31
    This degenerate Semygin needs to be removed from the trough, and a statement must be written to the prosecutor’s office regarding the statements of this half-poker. And keep the investigation under control so that he doesn’t move out.
  34. +16
    4 October 2023 08: 34
    Yes, the novel, as they say, pushed it powerfully! laughing I agree with everything, but “to assess the actions of the Kadyrovs, they were both in in his right"
    where do they get THEIR right? They have no more rights than you or me. and if you recognize that they have some special rights, it means that you are voluntarily giving up your rights in favor of those who have the audacity to publicly break the law and lay down everything. decide on the wording here
    "And find yourself in some kind of reservation, isolated from the whole world"
    We have been on this reservation for a long time, moreover, the authorities have been vigorously driving us into it all these years, and now they have driven us into it. all these types of “Russians” that you described take place, with a little clarification - and within these “Russians” the people are as disunited as possible, every man for himself, and this is also a great achievement of the authorities, for the self-preservation of itself. Apparently, they remember the fairy tale about the broom well!
    It’s too late to write such articles, there is no longer that country, that army and that people that decided something in this world. and everyone today is either on a reservation or guarding this reservation
  35. +10
    4 October 2023 08: 35
    The author wrote correctly, we have ceased to be the center of power, the force must be real, not imaginary. At least at the level of a regional player, many issues are already being resolved solely without our vision. And this is very disappointing. The story of Nikita Zhuravel is a disregard for the laws of the Russian Federation, a violation of the Criminal Procedure Code and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, Zhuravel committed a crime and should have been held accountable according to the law, not concepts. The RF IC answered Sobchak that there was no check against Kadyrov Jr.
  36. +6
    4 October 2023 08: 35
    Quote: Architect
    There are people who work, create a product, bring benefits to people,

    Are you talking about migrants who are building more and more human settlements in order to move into them later?
  37. +4
    4 October 2023 08: 39
    I agree with every word of the author!!!
  38. +3
    4 October 2023 08: 50
    We, Russians, calmly began to surrender our own and learned to justify it perfectly

    It’s not us who are surrendering, it is the Kremlin who is surrendering.
    “PATRIOTS OF RUSSIA” (all as in the source, all capital letters) then it’s worth looking at what kind of patriotism is being preached.

    This character has it all written all over his face. The current government needs such parties.
  39. +9
    4 October 2023 09: 06
    Great article. Everything is to the point. But there really is no way out of this situation.
    But the saddest thing is that we drive ourselves into this reservation, justifying everything, abandoning our own, betraying our own, forgetting our own.

    Just what does SAMI mean? Who is SAMI? Our elites, about whom the author wrote well using the example of Narusova? Or our Minister of Defense and his daughter, spending hundreds of billions on parks and museums in Kronstadt, instead of intensively raising the military-industrial complex, army and navy?
    But personally, I don’t find anything in common with them. These are the same “themselves” for me, like the Martians or the lunatics, who, by some incomprehensible irony of fate, were assigned to rob and sell my country. (By the way, this is the only reason, as I see it, that everything came to this conflict).
    And how to change this for the simple, deep people, for example, is completely unclear to me. I go to elections all the time, even knowing that they will draw everything they need, I still go. But nothing will change that way. And I am far from indifferent to what is happening behind the scenes, in the rear, and in the country’s elites. But I don’t see anything good either here or here, and I don’t expect anything good. And at the same time, it’s very difficult for everyone not to abstract themselves.
    1. +1
      4 October 2023 11: 09
      this is called: class contradictions. Like in the old days, it didn’t get through your head, it will get through your arms and legs, and that’s good.
  40. +8
    4 October 2023 09: 08
    These are people who live exclusively for themselves and, by and large, they will live like this all their lives. It doesn’t matter where, in Turkey or Georgia. They will smoke other people's skies with a Russian passport until they can. To grovel for visa extensions, to look for work, but this is their choice. They are not for Russia, they are for themselves.


    One Fuhrer thought the same. After 10-15 years, American science became the first in the world, and German universities never regained their glory.
    I don’t mean that scientists have left us... it’s just that the damage from this migration will still be felt.
  41. +6
    4 October 2023 09: 11
    In a market economy, the interests of the individual are above all else, and this is normal. This is how this model works, there is no other way.
    Do people go abroad and think first of all about their own skin? So our market Russia consists of these people, their assets, their fortunes, their aspirations.
    A man has been building his life for years, earning what he has through labor, planning for the future, how he will meet old age with capital from his activities. And then let him go to the front under shells. That's how it should be!
    There the Akhmatovites will kick you while the senators are resting on the seas.
    Excuse me, but why the fright? In the same ruins on the streets of Kyiv, until recently, young people sat in cafes as if there were no military operations. Someone lives, and someone must die.
    People see all this, this injustice, this reality, and they withdraw into themselves, leave the country, and make excuses as best they can.
    1. +9
      4 October 2023 09: 19
      That's right. A person was born and raised in spite of everything, they paid for him in the garden, at school, at the institute, they paid for health and in general for everything, because everything that we have for free is shareware.
      And here he is called upon to give up his health, arms, legs, or even his life for some unknown reason. The SVO will end and all the officials will forget about it and about those who were there. You don’t have to look far for examples.
      It was a different matter when there was the USSR. And even then, closer to the collapse, it began “I didn’t send you there...”
  42. +12
    4 October 2023 09: 25
    Everything is even worse than described. IMHO.

    And this is not the first time the Kadyrovs have taken people (presumably illegally) to their place. I’ve seen it, without specifically looking for it, about 10 times already. Even Goblin had a video about slavery in the Caucasus. Modern at that.
    Well, the media, without any hesitation, wrote about the transfer of Ukrainian prisoners of war and Ukrainian teenagers to Chechnya. (the UN itself gave a trump card, they later raised the issue)
    But...everything is possible, everyone understands...
    And “media patriots” repeatedly placed Nazi signs on their pages (I saw them 2-3 times). They tint a little on their own in the required form, and lay it out. Which is downright criminal.. But... everyone understands. The law is not for them.
    About the rest - PMCs are outlawed, false promises, oil supplies to NATO (and therefore diesel fuel with gasoline to the Armed Forces of Ukraine), etc. - you don’t have to write...

    But there is no way out of the flourishing hypocrisy and duplicity. "Elite" can do anything with impunity...
    1. +6
      4 October 2023 09: 49
      and therefore diesel fuel with APU gasoline
      Yes, they supply it openly, what does NATO have to do with it? Business is on schedule.
  43. +5
    4 October 2023 09: 37
    What are you speaking about? Peskov said that “there is no need to pay attention to the dollar exchange rate, Russians live in the ruble zone, there is no reason to worry” https://www.rbc.ru/finances/03/10/2023/651bfc309a7947525c0f8b69

    And it doesn’t matter that the ruble has lost 40% of its value since the beginning of the year. First time or what? The main thing is what they have there, over the hill. Vaughn Pelosi was asked to vacate the office after McCarthy's resignation. This is exactly what the population of the Russian Federation should worry about, and not some kind of devaluation.
    It’s better not to talk about demographics at all, so as not to escalate things. Well, there is no desire on the part of the authorities to understand that in order to increase the birth rate, stability and confidence in the future are needed. Young people don’t have it and won’t have it as long as we live in the “era of change.” Well, you know who to thank for this era...
  44. +9
    4 October 2023 09: 41
    Strong article. The author expressed what has been brewing since 2004. When Russia first betrayed its supporters in Ukraine. Then, as accurately noted, betrayal became a habit. Maybe someone remembers the year 2014, when people were burned in Odessa, a wave of purges swept across the South-East and the Donbass was razed to the ground by Bandera artillery and aviation, what were the trends in the Russian media? I answer - But Russia never showed up to the war, let them figure it out themselves. Well, let's stock up on popcorn and watch. Remember this? As one of Gogol’s heroes said, “Well, lads.” Kolya has already made porridge, then it is required and zyists.
    1. +11
      4 October 2023 09: 47
      Maybe someone remembers the year 2014, when people were burned in Odessa, a wave of purges swept across the South-East and the Donbass was razed to the ground by Bandera artillery and aviation, what were the trends in the Russian media?
      And what’s interesting is that the regime was not fascist at that time. It only became that way from the moment the Northern Military District began.
      1. +6
        4 October 2023 10: 10
        And this is a degenerate desire to “be friends” with any shit.
        So the “West” was “friends” and “partners”.
        1. +2
          4 October 2023 20: 29
          Quote: pettabyte
          and "West" were "friends" and "partners".

          Today there was an article about friendship with Italy during Mussolini. Putin didn’t exist then.
    2. 0
      4 October 2023 10: 13
      Quote: oleg Pesotsky
      The author expressed what has been brewing since 2004. When Russia first betrayed its supporters in Ukraine.

      There, I suspect, everything was “nabudershaft.”
      Things didn't go well with the Germans.
      Unlike 404, they did not leave the USSR themselves, but were thrown out.
  45. +5
    4 October 2023 09: 44
    And where are you going, Russia?
    Russia is silent, there is no answer.
    1. +8
      4 October 2023 10: 11
      She does not roll, she is “led” to a “difficult decision.” “Big people” cannot get along under one roof and they don’t want to have someone over them, and therefore, each of them wants to rule in his own ulus.... This is what they lead to.
      1. +4
        4 October 2023 11: 54
        therefore, each of them wants to rule in his own ulus.... This is what they are leading to.
        Somehow I think so too
  46. +17
    4 October 2023 09: 58
    Well, no need to exaggerate, yesterday I was in Kotelniki, a beautiful area, high-rise, large bus station, pleasant bearded faces, sometimes even Slavs flash by))) as for Semigin, just tell me where he comes from))) of course, the enemies hacked the site and mocked the patriots, and whoever doesn’t think so is a fascist and Bandera’s shortcomings here))) The Moscow region is thriving, everything is tolerant and soul-bearing, a new textbook on the history of Russia with a corrected chapter about illegally repressed peoples will not let you lie))
  47. +1
    4 October 2023 10: 05
    Author, have people in civilian clothes come for you yet with an offer to join Girkin/Strelkov, otherwise he’s bored there? And so everything is laid out on the shelves, written to the point, albeit with minor disagreements such as crime in China, etc., but others have already written about this in full, and so, it is what it is and there is no escape from it.
    1. -3
      4 October 2023 13: 17
      "Who's going to put him in prison?! He's burning a monument!"
    2. 0
      5 October 2023 15: 52
      and he just collects the chattering ones into the world and then all the pendejos wholesale with a grunting slipper
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  49. +9
    4 October 2023 10: 08
    All these stories that Moscow and St. Petersburg were mobilized along with other cities are a fairy tale purer than those about non-stealing construction officials.

    So Yes.
    After all, roughly speaking, 100 thousand. conscripts from the Krasnoyarsk Territory and from Moscow + Moscow. areas - two huge differences.
    After all, Moscow + the Region is about 22 million, and the entire Krasnoyarsk Territory is about 2.2 million.
    1. +7
      4 October 2023 11: 15
      100 thousand conscripts from the Krasnoyarsk Territory and Moscow


      I don't have 100 thousand.
      From all of Moscow, 20 thousand were mobilized.

      https://www.kommersant.ru/doc/6161963
      Sobyanin: 45 thousand Muscovites are fighting in a special operation

      Moscow Mayor Sergei Sobyanin said at the “Territory of Meanings” forum that there are now 45 thousand Muscovites in the zone of a special military operation. According to the head of the city, about 20 thousand of them are contract soldiers and volunteers. Near 20 thousand - mobilized Muscovites.
  50. +7
    4 October 2023 10: 14
    Under capitalism there is no unity, there cannot be a united Russia. The strong devour the weak, and so that the weak do not twitch, patriotic slogans are drummed into them. And according to recent events, it is clear that Russia is moving together with supposedly our enemies towards the same goal. By canceling pensions, forcibly vaccinating, changing the constitution, carrying out digitalization, etc. So Roman is right. I just didn’t mention Chabad.
  51. +4
    4 October 2023 10: 29
    I am one of these 20 million who are trying to send society away. "I'm not going to attach to this society, I'm just trying to keep it away."
    The main problem, as I see it and perhaps many will agree with me, is that Putin is right when he says that “Russia has exhausted its limit of revolutions.” We cross out the revolution, evolution is, firstly, long, and secondly, who needs it? The authorities are happy with everything anyway; they are successfully building the Russia of 1913 with elements of February 1917. The people? And who will let him change something in his favor?
    Well, what about Semigin and other “pique vests”... When I hear loud slogans and beautiful words, an internal question arises in me: “Who is saying this?” I just had a case in my life when one colleague instantly changed his shoes in the air. Computer toys, when he wins, he jokes, like “you have to fight to the end,” but when they changed the topic and he disappeared, so “let’s go back to the old toy.”
    1. 0
      6 October 2023 16: 33
      The confidence of all revolutionaries that their revolution is the last is very surprising. Then peace and quiet. Putin himself is the result of the pro-Western redistribution of power, first in the USSR and then in Russia. There will be many more revolutions, since modern Russia is in no way a model of justice and selfless service to the Motherland and people.
  52. +11
    4 October 2023 10: 52
    Yes, a problematic article. It’s hard to disagree with the fact that “stand up, huge country” doesn’t work. And unfortunately, there are many factors here, starting with the two-faced policy of the state and ending with the usual permissiveness and disregard. The goals of the SVO are unclear, the progress of the SVO is unclear, and the timing of the SVO is not clear. Fertility is a separate line. A very large part of the male population fights and unfortunately dies. These are men, mostly young, of reproductive age, physically healthy, and mostly patriotic. They are dying. And who comes to replace them? Who are imported from Central Asia? From whom to give birth? This is a real problem with no end in sight. And it will come back to haunt you.
  53. +4
    4 October 2023 10: 58
    And what do the Russians have to do with it? There are some reptilians in the government who are artificially DELAYING the SVO in order to extract some reptilian goodies. And the fault of the reptilians is the people!

    And 91 party leaders from those same reptilians (who are stewing within themselves and have a very distant relationship with the people) destroyed the Union, and the fault was the people who “sold the country for jeans and chewing gum.” How could they sell something that never belonged to them?
  54. 0
    4 October 2023 11: 08
    Quote from Kartograph

    The authorities began to live for themselves, and not for the people

    Has it ever been otherwise?
  55. +6
    4 October 2023 11: 10
    These are people who live exclusively for themselves and, by and large, they will live like this all their lives.


    And you know, I was thinking, this is exactly who I am!
    I live first of all for myself and for my family.
    And putting all my strength and health into the greatness of the Motherland - this generally works for me according to the “residual principle”.

    And I have a small suspicion that the overwhelming number of Russian residents do the same.
    1. 0
      6 October 2023 16: 39
      One can get away with this way of life until a state appears in the neighborhood with a different ideology and a state system such as Germany in the 1930s. The Americans can repeat the experiments.
  56. +21
    4 October 2023 11: 13
    25 August 2023 year.
    Alexander Samsonov’s article “Threat to National Security: Migrants” is published at VO.
    I was the only one who was outraged by the illegal transfer of Nikita Zhuravel to the pre-trial detention center of the Chechen Republic, and wrote literally the following:

    “Of all the cases, the most painful for me is the transfer of Saratov student Nikita Zhuravel for execution to Chechnya. The boy is 19 years old! We don’t have brains at that age, we Russians grow up quite late. That’s why for some Russian teenagers to burn for 10 thousand rubles that the Koran, that the Bible - profit and fun. Or light a cigarette from the Eternal Flame, lit in honor of the soldiers of a slandered and trampled country that has become a thing of the past - the same country in which the Russian nation, having taken suitable articles from the commandments, has long outgrown religious consciousness and got out of it, throwing off fanatical worship of all sorts of outdated dogmas, including “Domostroy,” like a butterfly gets out of a cocoon and flies into a beautiful, blooming world..."
    Well, and so on.

    I want to emphasize that I did not express an assumption about a possible reprisal against Nikita Zhuravel in Chechnya, but a firm conviction that such a thing will happen - I know the psychology of the mountainous Caucasians.
    And here it is, the reprisal, took place!
    I assure you, this is just the beginning. A terrible fate awaits Nikita, even if the whole society rises to his defense. Because they will get you everywhere, just like they got Colonel Budanov. But will society rise?..
    As soon as the first act of reprisal against a Russian man took place, the Internet sea immediately became agitated and began to flow in stormy waves - a force nine storm! Why were they silent before - about the illegality of transferring from one pre-trial detention center to another? Such that the lawyer refused Nikita...
    VO was also silent. Apparently, talking was more expensive for yourself, wasn’t it? Right in the context of this article.
    Everything with Nikita happened as I expected, and it happened a few days ago. And since there was no suitable article on VO, I went to Telegram.
    I was kicked out of the VO telegram a long time ago, and from Skurlatov’s telegram too (for awkward questions and impartial characteristics of the characters). Then I went to “Putin on Telegram” and fought there for a long time and to the death. Imagine, they didn’t throw it away. This made it possible to make assumptions about who is in charge of this channel (no, not TsIPSO). But that's not the point...

    So here it is. I confirm Roman’s conclusions.
    Stockholm (or Helsinki - I don’t remember exactly) syndrome blooms and smells in the Internet community as a way to survive in a world of total lawlessness, corruption, nepotism, clannishness. The complete powerlessness of a small person before the oppressive depravity of a giant state pyramid has taken place and forces a sufficient number of people to justify lawlessness in order to preserve their psyche - a goal that is gradually transformed into their own political conviction. “The law is nothing!.. The law is a relic of the past... He who has more rights is right... There is strength, you don’t need intelligence... Impudence is the second happiness (in fact, the first)..."
    It's easier to live this way.

    And I’ll say something about the dominance of migrants in the next post, if I have the strength. It will be a revelation for many.
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      1. -3
        4 October 2023 14: 59
        The author is on salary here) He was paid for this opposition cry)
    2. 0
      5 October 2023 07: 28
      Nikita Zhuravel could have been discussed a long time ago, and he would have served his year in peace and left. You can correct me, but as I understand it, there was no trial against him yet.
  57. 0
    4 October 2023 11: 15
    And there is another Russia, diligently uniting in circles and groups, young Russia, which carefully studies the experience of generations, smart books, educates itself and enlightens those around it, workers are just beginning to guess what their interests are, dull discontent forces the most passionate to look for solutions, smart and long-term.
    1. 0
      4 October 2023 18: 17
      Russian Community. It is gaining momentum, and will soon solve its own problems, in the future replacing political impotents in power.
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  59. +3
    4 October 2023 11: 20
    This is Russia and has always been so. Power is separate from the people. The people are on their own.

    Features of modern Russia.
    The depravity of the raw material economy and the system formed around it is not only and not so much that it cannot provide a high standard of living for the entire country and gives rise to social inequality, corruption, centralization of resources and, as a consequence, the usurpation of power by those who have gained control over these resources.
    This is all very bad, of course, but that’s only half the problem. The main problem is that the raw materials system no longer needs people.

    The people of Russia also buy part of the extracted raw materials - gasoline for refueling cars, gas for heating, and electricity obtained by burning fuel.
    But how do the people of Russia pay for these raw materials? In rubles!
    Why do the elite need rubles? What can the elite buy with rubles in a resource-based economy with destroyed production?
    The owners of the commodity economy have virtually no need for rubles, because they cannot buy anything of value with them. Their valuables are located and produced abroad, and there you cannot buy anything for rubles.

    This means that the raw materials economy does not need its own people at all - neither big, nor small, nor any.
  60. +3
    4 October 2023 11: 43
    The author does not seem to know about the existence of political bots. Where they do not exist, the reaction to the prank of Chechen criminals is quite unambiguous - law in Russia is increasingly moving towards an African dictatorship, when all these laws, elections, etc. This is just a screen, but in fact, the one who has more power and has the ability to defend this power with weapons is right.
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 20: 55
      Unfortunately, not even African. I can’t imagine that in Africa, with their tribalism, a tribe that makes up 80% of the country’s population would hand over one of its people to a tribe that makes up 1,5% of the population to be killed. Yes, the capital would have been burned there, and one and a half percent of the tribe would have had to flee as a whole under the protection of the “blue helmets”.
  61. 0
    4 October 2023 12: 03
    Trying to look from the outside, you can see how patriotically we become enemies of the whole world. But that's only half the problem. We Russians calmly began to surrender our own people and learned to justify it very well. What does it mean to “surrender your own” - let everyone find an example for themselves. For me personally, an example was the evacuation of residents of the Kherson region, who were simply abandoned there. And then I had to read how pro-Russian residents who could not leave because they simply did not know that Russia, which came forever, was leaving within XNUMX hours. And they turned out to be to blame for this. These pensioners had to go to the administration every day and check whether Russia was here or what.

    - you write everything correctly, but let’s separate the Russians, Russia and those who exercise power in the country.

    But, really - what to do with this:

    Something else surprised me. I was surprised by the reaction on the Internet to this case. I was simply amazed how many people with seemingly Russian names and surnames wrote things that made my hair stand on end:

    - Everything is correct, Adam Kadyrov is right! There was no need to burn the Koran, this is a holy book for Muslims!
    - That’s how it should be, but no one else will dare! This is not Europe!
    “I don’t approve of Adam’s action, but I understand.
    - Normal crime prevention in our time!
    ??
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  62. +2
    4 October 2023 12: 04
    Shoigu seemed to want to build some cities in Siberia, what happened in the end?
    1. +2
      4 October 2023 12: 20
      SVO interfered..))) Otherwise, wow! Grinding with your tongue is not moving bags
  63. +1
    4 October 2023 12: 19

    Perhaps Fedorov did not even accurately estimate the numbers, and the number of people who abstract themselves from this world for themselves is even greater than his experts counted. But this is definitely not better; there is no prospect for us in this.

    There are always prospects and possible solutions. But the implementers of these options and solutions are not yet in sight. hi bully
  64. +4
    4 October 2023 12: 23
    It’s impossible to disagree - the criticism is correct, but what proposals are there to fix this? "criticize and suggest." Within the framework of today and the state of society, it is not clear what will “come” to all people equally (((What can really unite us all? Only one conclusion suggests itself - “mortal danger”, unfortunately ((( i.e. we must wait for the worst in order to get better ?so what?
  65. 0
    4 October 2023 12: 26
    Quote: zontov79
    This degenerate Semygin needs to be removed from the trough, and a statement must be written to the prosecutor’s office regarding the statements of this half-poker. And keep the investigation under control so that he doesn’t move out.

    You yourself believe in what you write, well, if you are archaic, try it, then be sure to tell me
  66. 0
    4 October 2023 12: 27
    Romochka! Have you already decided who you are - either an enthusiastic admirer of the general line of the party, or a “fighter against the regime”?! Or are you many-sided, because you are the collective creativity of the editorial board? And your personality is an expression of the views of many authors? A sort of literary Kukryniksy.
  67. +4
    4 October 2023 12: 29
    Guys, stop analyzing others already. Start with yourself. If you are so right, then do the right thing, and don’t rant in different comments. This will not solve the problems, of which there are certainly many. Until you start doing something yourself, everything seems easy and simple. There has never been and never will be a completely unified society. And because degrading countries turn away from us, it’s all the better. The Iron Curtain wouldn't stop us from clearing our minds. So let's work, and not play games.
  68. +4
    4 October 2023 12: 29
    Quote: paul3390
    The old Bolsheviks spent half their lives in prisons and hard labor - and nothing, it somehow didn’t bother them... They still achieved their goal.

    Are you ready to spend the rest of your life on bunks to be like the old Bolsheviks? It seems to me that you will find a hundred reasons to refuse :))
    The problem with the authors and all local fighters is that you are demagogues and have not moved a single step beyond this. You collect a bunch of disparate facts and conjectures, pull them together by the ears and draw conclusions based on this. Moreover, for some reason, declaring this as the opinion of the majority.
    As long as you “fight” like this, in the eyes of people you will be ordinary talkers for everything good and against everything bad.
    Do you want to really bring problems into the open and confront them head on? So don’t lump everything into a heap, write about each one separately. Then the attitude will be completely different and the chances of solving the problem will increase. And Skomorokhov, by the way, knows how to do this very well when he actually works on a specific problem and does not engage in populism
  69. -3
    4 October 2023 12: 31
    Yes, one and a half million escaped people is a lot, but not Russia. These are people who live exclusively for themselves and, by and large, they will live like this all their lives. It doesn’t matter where, in Turkey or Georgia. They will smoke other people's skies with a Russian passport until they can. To grovel for visa extensions, to look for work, but this is their choice.


    Well, those who left must be dealt with separately! They all need to be explained that Americans live, for example, in their homeland in the USA, Germans live in Germany, Mexicans in Mexico, and Italians in Italy! And no one is leaving anywhere! And only in Russia did they come up with this nonsense: pack your bags and quickly go somewhere! I’m almost sure that most of those who went abroad are not needed by anyone!
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 13: 02
      Quote from: m4rtin.frost
      They all need to be explained that Americans live, for example, in their homeland in the USA, Germans live in Germany, Mexicans in Mexico, and Italians in Italy! And no one is leaving anywhere!


      You yourself have apparently never traveled anywhere if you say so.
      I judge this because you mentioned Mexico:

      https://news.un.org/ru/story/2022/02/1418252
      Today, there are approximately 281 million international migrants—3,6 percent of the world's population.
      International migration has been growing steadily in recent years: there were 2020 million more migrants in the world in 128 than in 1990, and three times more than in 1970.
      Mexico is second only to India in the number of international migrants, and Russia is in third.


      Quote from: m4rtin.frost
      I’m almost sure that most of those who went abroad are not needed by anyone!


      Right.
      People only leave because they are no longer needed in their homeland.

      And one more thing - we are no longer talking about one and a half million who left, but about 11 million living abroad!

      https://news.un.org/ru/story/2021/01/1394392
      At the same time, Russia is also among the top five in terms of the number of citizens of the country living abroad. First on this list is India. 18 million of its citizens live in other countries. It is followed by Mexico, Russia, China and Syria. There are 11 million Russians living outside their homeland.
    2. +2
      4 October 2023 15: 17
      Are we needed at home? You are staying there and the state did not ask you to give birth, yeah.
    3. +2
      4 October 2023 21: 00
      Quote from: m4rtin.frost
      Italians in Italy! And no one is leaving anywhere!

      With a population of 17,2 million, Italian Americans make up 5,4% of the US population.
  70. +2
    4 October 2023 12: 34
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zp-wvgZwy4w
    But like this, nothing reminds you of today’s situation or situation? These are allegories, please understand correctly, however... Yulian Semenov somehow turned out to be a messiah, like a seer. True, his next book about Stirlitz does not stand up to criticism. Although it is understandable, some members demanded that evil security officers should be present in any publications, books, and all that...they themselves saw and heard everything... But no one will win this classic, the link of which I posted! sad
    1. -1
      4 October 2023 14: 26
      But like this, nothing reminds you of today’s situation or situation?


      Are you talking about this phrase from Mueller?
      "Hitler led Germany to disaster and I see no way out of this situation."

      Although it is understandable, some members demanded that evil security officers should be present in any publications, books, and all that...they themselves saw and heard everything...


      You are paradoxically right here. Indeed, Yulian Semenov himself saw and heard everything.
      That’s why he hated the security officers and that’s why he immediately began writing about it as soon as it became possible during perestroika.

      After all, his own father was arrested by the MGB in 1952. During interrogation, he was beaten so much that he was partially paralyzed. Julian himself, as “the son of an enemy of the people,” was then expelled from the institute and expelled from the Komsomol.
      1. -2
        4 October 2023 15: 11
        Quote from: dump22
        Indeed, Yulian Semenov himself saw and heard everything.
        That's why he hated the security officers...

        After all, his own father was arrested by the MGB in 1952. During interrogation, he was beaten so much that he was partially paralyzed. Julian himself, as “the son of an enemy of the people,” was then expelled from the institute and expelled from the Komsomol.

        In fact, you have to be an idiot to hate law enforcement officers because there are traitors among them......

        Let's try to live without the police, the FSB, the prosecutor's office, etc....
        I wonder - would it be better or worse without all of them? laughing

        In other countries without law enforcement officers it will definitely be worse. But if in Russia it is better, then the Russian people need to live without the State. Tribal system.

        PS No Russophobia, just a logical conclusion.
        1. 0
          4 October 2023 16: 20
          Actually, you have to be an idiot to hate law enforcement officers


          That's right!
          Who told you that he hated all law enforcement officers or all special services? laughing
          For example, Yevgeny Primakov was his personal friend since his institute youth.

          He hated and despised the security officers, the political police.
          It seems to me that his position on this issue is most clearly expressed in the play “Trial-38”.
      2. -4
        5 October 2023 19: 29
        It turned out cool. The son of a supposed enemy of the people calmly and fruitfully works in a specific area, receiving insider information for stories from the “bloody security officers” he hates.)) Or maybe the fact is that after the Trotskyist coup of 1953, the persecuted and oppressed turned into a tool?
  71. +1
    4 October 2023 12: 35
    What struck me most about the article was when I read to the end and saw the author))))
    No, the article is correct, even very much so, which surprised me) Against the background of everything previous, like the topic of the article)
    PS: Still, I’m inclined that R.S. This is a collective pseudonym). Author(s) reveal the secret)))
    1. -1
      4 October 2023 15: 04
      And what will be the benefit to readers from this “revelation of the secret”?
  72. 0
    4 October 2023 13: 05
    And indeed, “the author is in his repertoire”......
  73. -6
    4 October 2023 13: 41
    At 41-45 the author would not have survived. They would have been shot for alarmism.
    And so, 7-8 percent of the population adds a bit of mental disorder to their lack of intelligence.
    On the other hand, the Polish Berbock promises Lugansk in the EU...
    Humans cannot cope with change and difficult times. Now they don't even shoot for it
  74. +2
    4 October 2023 13: 51
    Who is guilty ? and What to do? These two eternal and hackneyed Russian questions are more relevant than ever before. The Russian people are very patient, but you can’t live like that - step on a rake all the time! Trust and patience have their limits, and if we don’t win in the Northern Military District now, tomorrow we will be destroyed again and we will again be in the role of vanquished...
  75. -2
    4 October 2023 14: 28
    Well done author, handsome! If you say now that it’s not in the wind, you can immediately meet someone you don’t need or end up somewhere you don’t need. Unfortunately, such topics are only raised in the kitchen.
  76. -2
    4 October 2023 14: 41
    Quote from: dump22
    There are 11 million Russians living outside their homeland.

    Where does this information come from and how reliable is it? It would be extremely interesting to conduct a survey - which of the active commentators knows such “Russians”?
    I know two “conditionally colleagues” at work who left for Turkey in 2022... there are also a couple of former colleagues who are retired and moved to Montenegro in 2019...
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  78. +4
    4 October 2023 14: 53
    And now what was promised about migrants...

    There is the IMF, which everyone has known everything about for a long time. Russia is a member of the IMF. The managing director of our country at the IMF is Finance Minister Siluanov. Therefore, the head of the Central Bank, Nabiullina, strictly follows all the instructions of the IMF, colloquially called manuals. Even if it sparkles, it will perform! And Siluanov will approve them at the IMF board of directors. Or maybe he writes them - these manuals?

    But there is another organization of the same globalist persuasion, called the International Organization for Migration - the International Organization for Migration, the name of which is delicately translated into Russian as a migration software organization, and so that no one will guess anything if they do dig, called MOM for short.
    This organization is a division of the UN, which, as you understand, includes Russia and is even a member of the UN Security Council following the Second World War, and therefore the decrees of this very IOM, or more simply the manual, the Russian government is obliged to religiously implement - it is obliged! And under pressure from the government, any Russian organization that the government places an interested eye on is required to follow IOM guidelines. But something else is surprising: agreements with IOM are also allowed to be concluded by non-governmental partners in the person of entrepreneurs eager for an influx of migrants and even NGOs.
    But!
    However, IOM admits that you can not be a member, or choose observer status. But our government, politically interested in the nostalgic friendship of peoples, ran ahead of the locomotive, stepped into this manure, but it seems impossible to get out, because the consequence is a drop in prestige and loud universal cries of “Russian fascism will not pass!” And the construction mafia won’t allow you to leave....
    That’s why another Kyrgyz khan comes to us with an inspection and a demand for a report on how Russia has equipped potential terrorists who were driven out of his country by him, the khan, for being unsuitable for cultivation - have the weeds taken root? Is there enough watering and fertilizer?
    Because according to the laws of the IOM, this khan is in his right. And most importantly, any Asian who comes to Russia “to work” is well aware of our obligation to the IOM.
    We, native Russians, are not informed!
    That’s why we start shouting “How can this be?!? They are pushing us out!... They occupy our living space, deprive us of work, while our men are dying during the SVO!... And these are such arrogant mugs, rapists, murderers...."
    Did you shout? You can breathe out. Nothing will change, because we learned about IOM too late - when the conveyor has already been set up, launched, working at full capacity and, under the kind eyes and approving nods of IOM, brings a hefty profit to everyone involved in cutting the Russian budget.
    1. +1
      4 October 2023 21: 21
      Quote: depressant
      International organization for migration, whose name is delicately translated into Russian as organization for migration software

      Correctly translated. There is, for example, the National Organization for Rare Disorders - it is FOR rare disorders, not FOR.

      Quote: depressant
      But our government, politically interested in the nostalgic friendship of peoples, ran ahead of the locomotive and entered into this manure

      Just like the vast majority of countries in the world. In addition to the DPRK, dwarf states and three or four Middle Eastern despotisms. I’ll tell you a little secret: membership in the IOM in no way prevents the most stringent migration policies and does not prescribe turning the country into a gateway. This is a personal choice of the Russian government.
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  80. fiv
    -9
    4 October 2023 15: 16
    As they say, there are too many letters in the article. If I really need to, I get a machine gun and go into the trench. I can’t run 3 km now, but after fighting for six months, I’ll do it. There are bad people, but we will get rid of them. They immediately offered to transfer Zhuravel to Chechnya. There is too much snot in our legislation. I hope this goes away. And life will become easier. They go into battle for their land, wife, mother, and children without thinking. Everything else comes later.
    1. +1
      4 October 2023 16: 02
      Yes, that Crane was given to you... It’s better to bring Major Isinbayev to Moscow, and from there to the trenches, she will run 3 times, and will jump over any thorn with a fence.
  81. fiv
    -13
    4 October 2023 16: 00
    E K L M N! Live your life, raise children, trees, build a house, cut with a jigsaw, serve emergency duty, love your parents and wife! The Motherland will call - go, repay your debt! What is there to think about? If they burned the Bible in front of me, I wouldn’t spare the picket fence. What is the problem, R. Skomorkhov?
    1. +8
      4 October 2023 16: 23
      The problem is that those ghouls who are now in power, millions of such idiots will be thrown into the furnace for nothing. THEY have no homeland, and you will be sent to die not for your homeland, but the devil knows why. That's just the problem.
    2. +2
      4 October 2023 21: 24
      The homeland is calling from every pillar and still offering a lot of money. Why are you not in the ranks?
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    1. 0
      5 October 2023 09: 01
      Quote: Russian_Ninja
      It’s a pity that this “energy” is also noticed by me, a 20-year-old citizen who will later fix and fix everything. And you write such hopeless articles and answers to me, comrades smile

      A little over 20 years ago, I was also a 20-year-old citizen of Russia. And I also had hopes for changes for the better... Well, “And Putin is so young... and a young October is ahead...” But, as reality showed, it got even worse.
      I sincerely hope that on your orbit the course will change by 180°.
  84. 0
    4 October 2023 17: 53
    Quote: Igor1915
    Can you imagine what Ukraine will roll out if the Russian Federation wants to go to peace, I was interested in this - I looked at representatives of the Ukrainian leadership, if the Russian Federation agrees to these conditions, the question is whether it will exist

    Declaring your wishes is one thing, but negotiations are all about negotiations so that these wishes become more realistic. This has always been the case in world history. IMHO, military operations are now taking place in order to take a more advantageous position in negotiations. All this blah blah blah about the capture of Odessa and so on is nothing more than information noise.
  85. +6
    4 October 2023 18: 00
    Quote: Shkodnik65
    Yes, a problematic article. It’s hard to disagree with the fact that “stand up, huge country” doesn’t work. And unfortunately, there are many factors here, starting with the two-faced policy of the state and ending with the usual permissiveness and disregard. The goals of the SVO are unclear, the progress of the SVO is unclear, and the timing of the SVO is not clear. Fertility is a separate line. A very large part of the male population fights and unfortunately dies. These are men, mostly young, of reproductive age, physically healthy, and mostly patriotic. They are dying. And who comes to replace them? Who are imported from Central Asia? From whom to give birth? This is a real problem with no end in sight. And it will come back to haunt you.

    They will answer you that Asians are people too. Read at your leisure how much money is planned to be spent on adapting Asians and explaining to the indigenous people that they need to be loved. Translated into understandable language, get used to the fact that Asians are the hegemon, because their entire adaptation consists of adapting the world around them to suit themselves.
  86. +2
    4 October 2023 18: 12
    [center][thum[center]

    It still hangs like that. No one even corrected his post about September 30th)))) Oh, God bless the country from...
  87. +3
    4 October 2023 18: 19
    Quote: depressant
    More and more interesting.
    From recent posts:

    “The police began an investigation after the beating of Nikita Zhuravel by Ramzan Kadyrov’s son, Adam Kadyrov, in the Grozny pre-trial detention center No. 1. This follows from the responses of the prosecutor’s office and the Investigative Committee, which were at the disposal of the “Base.” According to the documents, the investigation is being conducted by employees of police department number 1 of the Akhmatovsky district of the city of Grozny. Now the police must decide whether there were any violations of the law in the actions of Adam Kadyrov. The progress of the investigation is under the control of the Chechen prosecutor's office."

    It's amazing how we are manipulated. Even our dissatisfaction. Kadyrov was guilty of being “stuck at a traffic light.” I hope everyone understands what I mean. And now the Kadyrov clan must leave political territory. Apparently, a successor is ready - from another clan.
    When we are needed, we are allowed to speak to our heart's content. Well, at least that way.

    There is already an answer that there is no corpus delicti, so relax, and the biased opinion has once again been shown its place.
  88. +4
    4 October 2023 18: 31
    Yes, because the people are already tired of the shocks, they want to live in peace, even without war. It is a utopia to fight with the whole world, even if Putin takes it and howls, only on his own separate island. And the people are not stupid, the government has now conveniently settled down blaming everything on the war, in principle this was Putin’s last chance to stay in power. Because the current government cannot propose any changes in the country for the better. Their strategy for people is not working.
  89. +5
    4 October 2023 18: 38
    Quote: fiv
    E K L M N! Live your life, raise children, trees, build a house, cut with a jigsaw, serve emergency duty, love your parents and wife! The Motherland will call - go, repay your debt! What is there to think about? If they burned the Bible in front of me, I wouldn’t spare the picket fence. What is the problem, R. Skomorkhov?

    If it’s not clear to you, the basis of any state is compliance with laws for all citizens. If one citizen denounced by the authorities demonstrably violates this law and others denounced by the authorities justify and approve it, it becomes clear that the principle of all people are equal, but there is more equal, is declared openly. The next stage may well be that they will simply put a bullet in your head if you don’t let someone through who wants to avoid a traffic jam in the oncoming lane and the rest will be justified, they will speak out in style - what was he thinking when he didn’t let the big man through?
    Well, then this is definitely a return to 1913, because as you know, everyone who belonged to the Romanovs was not subject to trial, the only one who could punish them was the tsar.
    Given that I don’t have a great love for the United States, it’s hard for me to imagine that someone from, say, the Bush clan would defiantly violate the law, and someone from the Kennedy clan would demonstratively begin to justify him.
    1. +2
      4 October 2023 22: 56
      Quote from Tim666
      Given that I don’t have a great love for the United States, it’s hard for me to imagine that someone from, say, the Bush clan would defiantly violate the law, and someone from the Kennedy clan would demonstratively begin to justify him.

      Stress yourself and read about yesterday’s resignation of the speaker there.
      The situation there is a joke - either Biden lied or the speaker. It’s generally a punishable thing for a politician there...
      And everyone crumples - if you touch any of them, they will be covered with feces
  90. +1
    4 October 2023 19: 21
    Quote: depressant
    And now what was promised about migrants...

    There is the IMF, which everyone has known everything about for a long time. Russia is a member of the IMF. The managing director of our country at the IMF is Finance Minister Siluanov. Therefore, the head of the Central Bank, Nabiullina, strictly follows all the instructions of the IMF, colloquially called manuals. Even if it sparkles, it will perform! And Siluanov will approve them at the IMF board of directors. Or maybe he writes them - these manuals?

    But there is another organization of the same globalist persuasion, called the International Organization for Migration - the International Organization for Migration, the name of which is delicately translated into Russian as a migration software organization, and so that no one will guess anything if they do dig, called MOM for short.
    This organization is a division of the UN, which, as you understand, includes Russia and is even a member of the UN Security Council following the Second World War, and therefore the decrees of this very IOM, or more simply the manual, the Russian government is obliged to religiously implement - it is obliged! And under pressure from the government, any Russian organization that the government places an interested eye on is required to follow IOM guidelines. But something else is surprising: agreements with IOM are also allowed to be concluded by non-governmental partners in the person of entrepreneurs eager for an influx of migrants and even NGOs.
    But!
    However, IOM admits that you can not be a member, or choose observer status. But our government, politically interested in the nostalgic friendship of peoples, ran ahead of the locomotive, stepped into this manure, but it seems impossible to get out, because the consequence is a drop in prestige and loud universal cries of “Russian fascism will not pass!” And the construction mafia won’t allow you to leave....
    That’s why another Kyrgyz khan comes to us with an inspection and a demand for a report on how Russia has equipped potential terrorists who were driven out of his country by him, the khan, for being unsuitable for cultivation - have the weeds taken root? Is there enough watering and fertilizer?
    Because according to the laws of the IOM, this khan is in his right. And most importantly, any Asian who comes to Russia “to work” is well aware of our obligation to the IOM.
    We, native Russians, are not informed!
    That’s why we start shouting “How can this be?!? They are pushing us out!... They occupy our living space, deprive us of work, while our men are dying during the SVO!... And these are such arrogant mugs, rapists, murderers...."
    Did you shout? You can breathe out. Nothing will change, because we learned about IOM too late - when the conveyor has already been set up, launched, working at full capacity and, under the kind eyes and approving nods of IOM, brings a hefty profit to everyone involved in cutting the Russian budget.

    It’s good to blame everything on CIA agents, the global West, liberals, homosexuals, and reptilians. The EU saw that the influx of migrants is a complete mess, the laws have been tightened and the IOM is not indignant. If migrants are beneficial to business and government, is it IOM’s fault?
    The aps has too old a manual, it turns out that the Constitution adopted by the damned liberals can be changed if really necessary. And if the banking system remains the same, it means everyone is happy with everything
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  93. +5
    4 October 2023 20: 43
    It’s not a matter of habit, because the average Russian doesn’t care who will rule them, Putin, Zelensky, even the bald devil. And this is a direct consequence of the destruction of political life in the country. People do not identify themselves with the state.
    1. 0
      4 October 2023 23: 05
      Quote: Vincent Price
      And this is a direct consequence of the destruction of political life in the country. People do not identify themselves with the state.
      that is, political life was in full swing in the USSR? When did one candidate from one party get elected with 97% of the votes?
  94. +4
    4 October 2023 20: 56
    I support the author and largely agree. The only problem is that the people, ordinary workers and office workers, everyone who does not have serious connections, are intimidated. Through lawlessness and permissiveness those who have power and store the loot. That’s why they remain silent and don’t bother anyone. They know that it is useless and will end badly for themselves. And this will remain so until the power of the manager of oligarchs, clans and elites is replaced by a truly democratic rule of law. This is not a threat to Russia for the next couple of years for sure. But when the Northern Military District ends and hundreds of thousands of men, killed by the front, return to peaceful life, they can become the force that decides that it is impossible to live like this any longer.
    1. 0
      4 October 2023 22: 00
      when it’s over and hundreds of thousands of men killed by the front return to peaceful life, they can become that force

      So the cunning plan is to ensure that this never ends, and that no one returns as a force...
    2. -1
      5 October 2023 08: 08
      I personally know when in one industry a couple of years ago, people went on strike.
      The heads of the companies organized themselves, created a general chat in the messenger. Through “informers” and “lickers” in the teams, they smeared the strike spirit. This included bringing in security (not allowing them to work, far-fetched detentions, and even beatings).
      As a result, the leaders were fired, the rest were suppressed. And now people will definitely not speak out.
      I can say that the top have more opportunities to “press” with levers of pressure.
  95. +4
    4 October 2023 21: 05
    Roman wrote everything correctly. I only stumbled in one place.
    = I won’t discuss or evaluate the actions of the Kadyrovs at all; they were both within their rights. =
    What right are you talking about, Roman? About the right to beat the defendant?
    By the way, why is it not said anywhere about what prompted the unfortunate man to burn the Koran?
    But wasn’t this a protest, I don’t argue, a stupid one, against the dominance of Koran lovers in his locality? The dominance is not in quantitative terms, but in their behavior. After all, it’s no secret that they came “to a foreign monastery with their own rules.”
    I wouldn't rule out such a motive. And the investigation will never tell us the truth.
    The hint that he acted at the behest of the Ukrainian intelligence services does not stand up to criticism.
    So, dear Roman, the Kadyrovs have no right to such actions. If they are citizens of Russia, of course, and not of Ichkeria.
  96. fiv
    -2
    4 October 2023 21: 35
    People who were not prisoners built and commissioned industrial reactors, which made it possible to create atomic weapons. The cemetery is strewn with the graves of 30 - 40 year old men. They died for you. And you feel bad without support in LIFE, bad uncles prevent you from loving your Motherland. Be ashamed, for you are weak.
  97. +6
    4 October 2023 21: 36
    I am a pro-Russian German who observes from the outside and often reads this site, so if the translation is not very good, please forgive me, it was done using a translation program. Russia is the great bulwark against the Yankee Empire, which is robbing and oppressing the German people, so I wish Russia to win. Sometimes I imagine in my imagination a colony with a German minority in Russia, part of the Russian Federation, but having several degrees of freedom, with a good birth rate, bilingual, pro-Russian patriotic education from the cradle, giving Russia more infantry and more weapons and civilian production and more taxes revenues. At the same time, it is a way to save part of German culture from being flooded by mass immigration initiated by the American plutocracy. Of course, I'm just a couch potato and a dreamer, without the financial means and without the necessary personal qualities to start and lead such a movement, I'm just writing this to show them that I'm on their side. But to the point: It pains me to see how people on this side are torn apart and how everything the Russian government or high command does is essentially smeared with mud at first. is it so bad? This does not promote cohesion, and I can imagine that supporters of the Kyiv regime are happy about such internal division in Russia, but does this not work into the hands of the enemy?
    Many would like to see the overthrow of communism and a tough man like Stalin at the helm, but is this really the cure for all the ills plaguing Russia? Yes, I know it brought a lot of progress, but also a lot of death. Do they really think that everything will magically get better when a junta of party officials replaces the oligarchs and first of all puts 100 unwanted people against the wall or sends them to the Gulag. In time of war, wouldn't this immediately lead to an unfavorable peace or worse? And then, after several years of a planned economy, won’t everything end the same as 000 years ago? Are there really no better solutions? Is there only a choice between a communist dictatorship and an oligarchy? Maybe a mixed system is the way out, or capitalism in a light form, without oligarchs, but with a patriotic/national ideology? I don’t know the answers to these questions either, I’m just asking them and I would like to encourage people not to do hasty actions/act hastily.
    1. +1
      4 October 2023 23: 43
      Again about the internal split, the Kiev regime and so on. How long can you look into others' mouths? And live so that others live poorly, but somehow we? We must set the goal that Russia was the best and that other countries looked at us from below and wanted the same, and not vice versa. Does the current government set such goals? What is the current government's goal? Bomb the Ukrainians? Are there any other goals for the people, for a better life?
  98. +2
    4 October 2023 21: 42
    What do you actually want if the average Russian man in Russia does not dare to get involved with the average non-Russians because his shirt is closer to his body. From the point of view of love for life, this is understandable, but from the point of view of patriotism, not very much. But they are screaming from the sofa, we need to drive them all away. Start with yourself, as they say.
  99. 0
    4 October 2023 21: 58
    This is not Russia, these are elements that have come from Russia separately. Some of them will not even return, some will then slowly crawl away. Yes, one and a half million escaped people is a lot, but not Russia. These are people who live exclusively for themselves and, by and large, they will live like this all their lives. It doesn’t matter where, in Turkey or Georgia. They will smoke other people's skies with a Russian passport until they can. To grovel for visa extensions, to look for work, but this is their choice. They are not for Russia, they are for themselves.

    There are many more of them than you think. Those who could left - had savings, the opportunity to earn money abroad, freedom to travel, knowledge of languages, a foreign passport, in the end (only 25% ever received one). Many more people would follow their example if they had the opportunity. My former classmate, a simple worker, when the World Cup was announced, he simply stopped living with his registration, using a credit card and a telephone. Another suffers from diabetes and admitted that for the first time he was glad about this fact. A third googled how to break legs. In your opinion, the three of them are patriotic deep Russia, since they did not leave. But in fact, in their hearts they went further than beyond Upper Lars.

    I just wanted to recommend that you familiarize yourself with the crime rate in countries with the death penalty and draconian laws. China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, South Korea - the legislation there is much harsher than ours, but there are also more criminals. Off the charts, I would say.

    I won’t say anything about other countries, but in South Korea crime is one of the lowest in the world (if you judge it by statistics, and not by progressive Korean cinema). Moreover, local laws can hardly be called draconian - in terms of crimes against the person, they are not very different from Russian ones. The difference is in enforcement.
    1. +1
      5 October 2023 07: 30
      Why should we blame them for leaving?
      This is their right and choice.
      I also don’t want my children to die in the trenches in oligarian squabbles (and this is exactly the case, although I thought differently at the beginning of 22 years).
      Either everyone howls, like in the Second World War, when the children of the elite were at the front, or go through the forest. Since Vasya from the outback should not die while Oleg Major from the capital is hanging out in the clubs.
  100. +5
    4 October 2023 22: 04
    Nobody needs Russians except themselves. And now we need to look for support not in the state, which is only ready to tolerate us for the time being and graciously allow us to pay its bills, and not in the parties of two slogans and one person, but only in ourselves. For us to survive and remain not just people, but Russian people, no one needs this: for some we are a thorn in a shameful place, while for others we pass as expenses and extra mouths in the Russian depths. All that remains is to walk between Scylla and Charybdis, rejecting all their temptations, in order to preserve yourself and carefully carry Russia in your souls, without dropping It, without selling it or handing it over to the “good hands” of robbers and maniacs. Their life is short, the worms will eat them and spit them out, but Russia will remain.
    1. 0
      5 October 2023 22: 16
      Yes.
      The text of your comment is too short and in the opinion of the site administration does not carry useful information.