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Hamburg account in Washington

Four intertidal ships have been decommissioned this year—Little Rock, Milwaukee, Sioux City and Detroit. The ships served for less than ten years. The admirals have hope that they can be sold to one of the allies. But the question remains open for now.

Next year, the fleet wants to decommission two more Independence-class littoral ships - Jackson and Montgomery, with subsequent sale abroad. However, it is difficult to predict whether Congress will allow it, since those sitting there are guided by their own logic, understandable only to them, or the lack thereof.

Five Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruisers were written off. The admirals also wanted to decommission the Vicksburg, but Congress did not allow it because it had recently undergone expensive repairs, about $600 million. The Navy plans to put it on the 2024 retirement list. We'll see what comes of this. There are already four Tikis on this list, and there may be room for a fifth.

The Arli Bjork guided missile destroyer is due to be decommissioned this year, but its service life has been extended until next year. Another four Bjerks are due to be decommissioned in 2024, but their service life has been extended until 2026.



Similarly, the Nimitz aircraft carrier was supposed to be decommissioned this year, but its operation was extended until next year. Although, most likely, it will spend most of this year under repair. The planned amounts are not very large, about $250 million, but it can be extended over six months.

The second ship of the Dwight Eisenhower series is due to be decommissioned in 2024, but its service has also been extended until 2026. The volume of repair work on it will be greater, the cost will be about $600 million, and the repair time will be correspondingly the same.

It is possible that they, and possibly other aircraft carriers, will have their service lives extended even further, since the Gerald Ford-class aircraft carrier program is very far behind schedule.

In addition, the situation with the carrier-based air group remains unclear. The Ford, which was originally built to carry the F-35, went to sea with the old Hornets. "Theodore Roosevelt" during repairs underwent conversion to the F-35, and received its old air group with the F-18. Moreover, the navy has ordered another batch of “superhornets”.

The Pentagon has not commented on the current situation. But in general, the shift in the dates for the entry into service of new aircraft carriers entails problems with the repair of old ones; schedules there are also violated, for a variety of reasons.

In May of this year, the George Washington left repairs. It stood in repair for six years, instead of the planned four. Its place in the dock was taken by “John Stennis”, approximately until May 2025, and then by “Harry Truman” - also for two years, unless any cataclysms occur.

Following that is the Ronald Reagan, whose forward deployment to Japan is due to end in 2023. It will also be in dire need of major repairs, since periodic maintenance in Yokosuka is not normal repairs. On September 29, “Ronald Reagan” left Yokosuka. His departure to sea was delayed six times over 11 days for unknown reasons. It is unknown when another aircraft carrier will arrive to replace the Reagan. At the moment, there is not a single American aircraft carrier in the Asia-Pacific region.

The Navy wanted to decommission two Island-class UDCs this year, but, again, Congress did not allow it. Since the UDC San Antonio program is still stuck on the eighth building. No money has been allocated for construction in 2024.

The America-class amphibious assault ship program is also far behind schedule, especially since significant changes are being made to the project as construction progresses. It is quite possible that changes will be made to the project in the future, since the Pentagon themselves cannot decide what they want. Either a UDC or a light aircraft carrier. As practice shows, in such cases everything turns out badly.

The fourth ship in the series, the Fallujah, was officially christened, on which changes to the original design took place: from a light aircraft carrier back to a UDC. Although a third deck lift has been added in addition to the two side lifts. It seems that the work of the air group has been improved, but the docking camera has been returned. Thus, the volumes for Marines and pilots were significantly reduced.

Well, as icing on the cake, there is talk that the last five Ohio-class SSBNs will have their service lives extended to 2027 and beyond, since the Columbia-class SSBN program is also far behind schedule. What American submariners think about this is unknown. The purchase of the first boat was financed from the 2021 budget. The purchase of the second is expected from the 2024 budget. The pace of construction was planned at one boat per year. But for now it is clear that the construction does not fit into the deadlines set by the Ohio-class SSBN decommissioning schedule.

How big the lag is is unknown. There are very strong doubts in Congress that the first boat will go on combat patrol in 2031, as planned.

The second is a fairly strong suspicion that the program will become more expensive over time. And what decision will be made: either to reduce the series or to allocate additional funding, is difficult to say, since the financial and economic situation in the United States is, to put it mildly, very difficult. Additional funding can be allocated only on the condition that it has to be taken from someone else.

These are the overall results of the year that is ending.

It should be noted that the Navy generally wanted to write off 39 combat and support units. Congress, which is guided only by considerations understandable to itself, has greatly reduced the list. However, the number of decommissioned ships is still greater than those entering service. The naval arms race with China somehow did not work out.
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  1. +5
    3 October 2023 05: 35
    The article is striking in its depth and analysis.
    1. -9
      3 October 2023 08: 29
      And the article does not pretend to be analytical, but simply sums up the results of the outgoing financial year. And these results are rather bad, and the prospects are not particularly good. That's all.
      1. +3
        3 October 2023 15: 58
        And the article doesn’t even pretend to be
        You yourself named your work, as you called it and it really doesn’t pretend to be anything, not even a summary. hi
        1. -1
          3 October 2023 17: 52
          Purely your personal opinion, I have nothing against it. If you're not interested, you don't have to read it)))
          1. +2
            3 October 2023 19: 23
            Purely, your personal opinion. There is no need to do hack work. And this is hack work. Like, people will catch on and won’t die out. You just don’t respect yourself. hi But this is your personal business. Self-respect is not given to everyone.
            1. 0
              4 October 2023 09: 37
              There are articles of every level and for every taste. Who does not respect whom is a purely personal matter for each reader.
  2. +1
    3 October 2023 06: 00
    The naval arms race with China somehow did not work out.

    Where should the amers go? Everyone understands that there will be no open confrontation between the United States and China at sea. While the whole world is tightly hooked on the dollar needle, Americans have nothing to fear...
    P.S. If you compare the USA and China in terms of the number of aircraft carriers and SSBNs, China still has to grow and grow...
    1. +3
      3 October 2023 06: 45
      We would like their problems... Yes, and the article is strange... Well, okay, this is “Opinions”. The author sees it that way. And let’s remember our “Kuznetsov”!
      1. +2
        3 October 2023 08: 33
        Kuznetsov is a completely meaningless thing. Simply because the only aircraft carrier is nothing. You need at least a couple to ensure that at least one is constantly in service. And so - they drive the animal into the state of rubbish, and then try to fix it for years... What's the point?
        1. -1
          3 October 2023 12: 40
          It is meaningless not because you need not one, but two, for example. But because you need a group of ships for it. About a dozen.
          1. -3
            3 October 2023 17: 56
            If an aircraft carrier is a pointless waste of money, why is everyone building them? For one AB, we'll scrape together an escort group. "Nakhimov", a couple of frigates, BOD. Our sworn friends have similar problems. The escort group of the aircraft carrier is one "tika" and a couple of "bjorks", and some other "little things". During the Cold War, 1 - 2 "tics" and 4 - 5 "spruances".
        2. 0
          3 October 2023 19: 47
          Quote: paul3390
          You need at least a couple to ensure that at least one is constantly in service.
          Six. Therefore, in Russia it is necessary to build either a dozen aircraft carriers at once (6 each for the Northern Fleet and the TF) or solve problems with other ships.
          1. 0
            3 October 2023 20: 10
            Quote: bk0010
            Шесть

            Just not “in service”, but “in combat service”, this is not quite the same thing.
            1. 0
              4 October 2023 09: 39
              This is for sure, you need to clearly distinguish between what is “on the list” and what is actually “in service.” How many aircraft carriers Russia needs will be decided by the General Staff. But if India and Japan are building them, then Russia needs them too.
          2. +1
            4 October 2023 21: 31
            Quote: bk0010
            Six. Therefore, in Russia it is necessary to build either a dozen aircraft carriers at once (6 each for the Northern Fleet and the TF) or solve problems with other ships.

            6 - 8 AB of medium VI are quite enough for both fleets (3-4 units for each), and non-nuclear ones. In terms of money, this is quite affordable for the budget. But in terms of competencies... first you need a suitable power plant on gas turbines, and secondly, two shipyards for their construction. One such shipyard could be Zaliv in Kerch, but the second could only be Zvezda in Bolshoi Kamen, and it is overloaded with orders. And both have no experience in building such ships. So if you need an aircraft carrier fleet, you need a serious and time-consuming program to develop competencies, prepare production and test all the necessary components. And of course - People of Action, and not effective budget spenders.
            1. 0
              5 October 2023 20: 27
              Quote: bayard
              6 - 8 AB of medium VI are quite enough for both fleets (3-4 pieces for each)
              The Americans have an aircraft carrier service cycle of 33 months, of which it spends 6 months at sea. If we build 3 aircraft carriers per fleet, then the aircraft carrier will only be at sea half the time. This means that the second half of the time, its tasks will have to be performed by other, non-aircraft-carrying ships. This means they also need to be built. An aircraft carrier, of course, is an expensive ship, but R&D costs and part of the maintenance and basing costs do not depend on the number of aircraft carriers. Thus, the option “6 AB per fleet” may not be much more expensive than “3 AB per fleet, plus ships replacing them during repairs.” What can you save on compared to the states: instead of 6 air groups, try to get by with 2-3, instead of 6 sets of retinue ships, try to get by with 2-3 sets (order ships are much smaller and are repaired faster), fatigue of people can be solved with replacement crews. But it’s better to do it in full, if at all, which I’m not sure about.
    2. -3
      3 October 2023 08: 24
      Yeah, only the Pentagon is studying options for a naval blockade of China and is urgently putting together a bloc against it.
      1. 0
        4 October 2023 21: 39
        Quote: TermNachTER
        The Pentagon is studying options for a naval blockade of China and is urgently putting together a bloc against it.

        They have no other choice. If they don't stop China, they will be finished. But time is lost and it’s definitely too late to do it alone. Yes, they were not used to going it alone - against S. Korea, and against Vietnam, and against Iraq, they created a broad and numerous coalition, binding all allies with blood. So will this rah. This is already the case. And if purely arithmetically, then the fleets of the USA, Japan, South Korea (I don’t want to drag these through), England, Australia, Canada (from these three sheep there’s at least a tuft of wool) and perhaps... France (they are inclined towards this due to weakness coalition against a rapidly growing China). And they don’t have time to build up - they need to start either next year, or the deadline is in 2025. Plans for achieving readiness by 2030 or then 2027 ... are no longer relevant.
        1. +1
          4 October 2023 21: 56
          Some general from the Air Force said that the problem of China should be solved, as a last resort, in 2025. Then it will be much more difficult and costly. But in order to have a bite with China, we must end with Ukraine.
          1. +1
            5 October 2023 19: 40
            Quote: TermNachTER
            But in order to have a bite with China, we must end with Ukraine.

            Yes And why did all branches of government in the United States vote for a budget without used aid items? And even Sleepy Joe signed without hesitation.
            1. 0
              5 October 2023 21: 41
              Well, I think it's not that simple. There are other prerequisites there as well. But yes, Taiwan is now problem No. 1 for mattress makers. And it needs to be resolved as soon as possible. As their Air Force general told them, after 2025, solving the Taiwan problem will be both more difficult and more expensive.
        2. 0
          5 October 2023 20: 21
          If they don’t stop China, they’re finished...And they don’t have time to get going


          Please explain what you mean by “stopping China”?
          What exactly will this look like? What is the expected result at the end?

          The US economy is now tightly tied to interaction with the Chinese economy; they cannot afford a collapse (or even a strong decline) in production in China. This will also cause a severe and deep recession in the US.
          1. 0
            5 October 2023 21: 42
            So they are now trying to “get rid of” China as much as possible. That is why there is a pull over European business.
  3. +3
    3 October 2023 06: 03
    The Chinese seem to say that you just need to stand on the shore and wait for the enemy’s corpse to float by. Peacetime also does not spare either ships or people. soldier
    1. 0
      3 October 2023 08: 34
      Entirely in Chinese, they say, the phrase goes like this - you just need to stand on the shore and wait for the corpse of the enemy to float past, whom the Russians will kill. wink
      1. 0
        4 October 2023 09: 40
        This is a common phrase from many Chinese wisdoms, but is by no means a guide to action.
  4. +1
    3 October 2023 06: 06
    The decommissioning of its ships is an internal matter of the United States and let them have a headache about it. Meanwhile, China is building up and strengthening its fleet, which the Americans are not very “happy about.”
  5. +4
    3 October 2023 07: 53
    The naval arms race with China somehow didn’t work out
    "Deep, deep, digs" (c) wink
    1. -4
      3 October 2023 08: 32
      What's wrong with the summary part? refute. Just please, with facts, and not “have you seen Apple’s capitalization?”)))
      1. 0
        3 October 2023 10: 03
        What's wrong with the summary part?
        The whole article is an extensive commentary, without anything. Yes, and I’m not poking at it, I quoted a phrase from the film Gaidai’s 12 Chairs, in some ways there is a similarity.
      2. +2
        3 October 2023 19: 08
        Quote: TermNachTER
        What's wrong with the summary part?

        Do they (the Americans) know that they have entered a race with the PRC?
        What about the Chinese?
        The Americans, as far as I understand after Digital Horizon, are fighting for something completely different.
        And for the near future: 3 ways (swim left, right and straight)
        https://news.usni.org/2017/02/14/trio-of-studies-look-to-the-u-s-navy-fleet-of-2030
        1. 0
          3 October 2023 23: 56
          The Americans are not only aware, they openly say that the situation is dangerous and continues to worsen. Go to specialized American resources.
      3. +3
        3 October 2023 20: 14
        Quote: TermNachTER
        What's wrong with the summary part? refute

        They already wrote to you about this at one time. If you stop counting the corvettes and torpedo boats of the Chinese, and limit yourself to ships in the ocean zone, then the “race” will look... but it won’t look at all. The Chinese are still chasing the Japanese.
        1. +1
          3 October 2023 23: 59
          If you count the American Ticonderogas and Bjerks, which are not “on paper”, but actually “in service,” and the Chinese type 055 and type 052, it turns out that the difference is not so great. Because the Chinese have them almost new and “on the move”, while the Americans have them either under repair or extending their service life.
          1. +1
            4 October 2023 08: 39
            Quote: TermNachTER
            If you count the American Ticonderogas and Bjerks, which are not “on paper”, but actually “in service”, and the Chinese type 055 and type 052, it turns out that the difference is not so great

            Oh yeah. If you count, on the one hand, the payroll, and on the other hand, the ships in combat service at a particular moment, and also exclude the entire submarine fleet and all aircraft-carrying ships from comparison, then intrigue may even arise.
            Quote: TermNachTER
            they openly say that the situation is dangerous and continues to worsen

            Naturally. In a normal country, a patriot cannot like the current state of affairs, whatever it may be. Therefore, when problems are discussed in detail, every two years there is a chance to solve these problems. This chance is rarely used, frankly, but it exists.

            In China this is much more difficult. It’s especially difficult with Comrade Xi.
            1. 0
              4 October 2023 09: 47
              So the problem is that the US ships are old and continue to age, and extending their service life only worsens the situation. But the Chinese have new ones, the oldest ones are a little older than ten years, and the industry is riveting them at an “explosive pace.” Two Type 54Bs have been launched, which are already much closer to the Type 52 destroyers than to the Type 52A frigates. If the Chinese have problems, it is with trained crews for them. By the way, the covers from the catapults were removed from the third aircraft carrier and, apparently, they are electromagnetic, like on the Ford.
              1. 0
                4 October 2023 11: 46
                Quote: TermNachTER
                But the Chinese have new ones, the oldest ones are a little older than ten years, and the industry is riveting them at an “explosive pace.”

                And then we suddenly look at the specifics and see two hulls accepted by the Chinese fleet this year: 052 board 157 and 055 board 108. The Americans, in turn, have accepted two Burkes (123 and 120), one is expected in October. As for the 54s, three aircraft are planned for 2023, against which the Americans have already launched three littorals.

                That is, the Americans, maintaining the existing size of their fleet, are building RIGHT NOW more ships than the Chinese, who are creating a fleet from scratch. Race, yeah.
                Quote: TermNachTER
                Apparently they are electromagnetic, like on a Ford.

                That is, the Chinese will be in love with them for another 10 years, like the Americans. Oh well.
                1. 0
                  4 October 2023 18: 38
                  Only you forgot one small point))) the Chinese have a fleet quite close to their shore, at most the Indian Ocean. And the US fleet is “smeared in a thin layer over the entire surface of the world’s oceans.” Out of 11 aircraft carriers, TWO are at sea)))
                  1. 0
                    4 October 2023 20: 07
                    Quote: TermNachTER
                    Out of 11 aircraft carriers, TWO are at sea)))

                    You have already been written about this a hundred times. AB in combat service no more than 1/4 of the time (usually closer to 1/6). So, with a payroll of 11 pieces, the BS will have 1 or 2. Maybe 0 if the repair schedule is disrupted.

                    So your feints cause nothing but melancholy. Or list to list or BS to BS.
                    1. 0
                      4 October 2023 22: 00
                      I don't understand your logic. Then the mattresses have 11 aircraft carriers and “boss, everything is gone.” Then, for technical reasons, there may be 4 or 3, or even 0. If there are zero, why are they needed at all? If the fleet command cannot properly organize the schedule of combat service and repairs, then what the hell is this command?
                      1. 0
                        5 October 2023 20: 55
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Then the mattress covers have 11 aircraft carriers and “boss, everything is gone”

                        I didn't lose anything.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        Then, for technical reasons, there may be 4 or 3, or even 0. If there are zero, why are they needed at all?

                        And they are not needed 365 days a year. The last time we needed them was 20 years ago. So let them repair as much as they want.
                        Quote: TermNachTER
                        If the fleet command cannot properly organize the schedule of combat service and repairs, then what the hell is this command?

                        First, the proper way is to have one or two ABs on duty. Secondly, in addition to the command, for whom there really are questions, there are also politicians for whom there have been no questions for a long time. It is impossible to adjust the ship maintenance schedule to political squiggles.
                      2. 0
                        5 October 2023 21: 45
                        I’m so old that I remember the times when there were 5, or even 6, mattress aircraft carriers at sea, in all parts of the world))) now, something doesn’t work out))) either the aircraft carriers are wrong, or the admirals)))
  6. +4
    3 October 2023 08: 04
    Additional funding can be allocated only on the condition that it has to be taken from someone else.
    Article from the series: "America will soon be screwed." But somehow this “kirdyk” will not happen. Judging by the ruble to dollar exchange rate, the “kirdyk” may not happen where so many are expecting it. wink
    1. 0
      3 October 2023 08: 26
      Have you tried measuring it by purchasing power?))) By the way, it’s also not very fun - there are a lot of problems, including a drop in the standard of living.
      1. +5
        3 October 2023 09: 01
        Have you tried measuring it by purchasing power?)))
        I’m used to measuring my purchasing power, but it has noticeably dropped significantly. You walk into a store as if you were entering an amusement store; it’s especially fun to look at the prices of packaged products, where manufacturers, in pursuit of attracting buyers, sell products not by kg, but by piece. Example: mayonnaise, butter, milk, etc.
        By the way, it’s also not very fun there - there are a lot of problems, including a drop in living standards.
        Judging by the articles on VO, they can buy goods in stores for up to $980 and leave without paying for it, try doing the same with us? wink
        1. +1
          3 October 2023 10: 44
          Quote: Gomunkul
          Judging by the articles on VO, they can buy goods in stores there for up to $980 and leave without paying for it

          Sorry, I don't know where this comes from, but nothing is ever free. You will still have to pay for the goods, and just try not to pay.
          Quote: Gomunkul
          I’m used to measuring my purchasing power, but it has noticeably dropped significantly.

          Everything here, of course, is worse than in the USA, but this does not mean that everything is stable there. There are serious problems there. Just because we have it worse doesn't make life better for the average American.
          1. 0
            3 October 2023 10: 50
            Sorry, I don't know where this comes from, but nothing is ever free. You will still have to pay for the goods, and just try not to pay.
            I also apologize for the inaccuracy, I wanted to write about the theft of goods:
            According to numerous publications in recent years, the United States has been swept by a wave of shoplifting, the participants of which remain unpunished. All this is supposedly due to the fact that in some states - for example, in California and New York - theft of up to $1 thousand is not considered a crime and is punishable by a maximum fine.

            hi
            1. +3
              3 October 2023 11: 23
              Gumunkul. hi Trump promised, if elected, to stop this bacchanalia, giving the command to shoot these nonsense right at the exit from the store. good And if this is a law-abiding buyer. wassat
              1. +1
                3 October 2023 12: 00
                tralflot1832
                Trump promised, if elected, to stop this bacchanalia, giving the command to shoot these nonsense right at the exit from the store.
                That’s why he won’t be elected, Joe will be sent to a second term, or he will be, everything will depend on his physical condition. laughing
                1. 0
                  3 October 2023 17: 58
                  The Reich Chancellery has serious doubts that Joe can “glue his fins together” to completion, so Operation “Successor” is being developed)))
            2. +1
              3 October 2023 12: 07
              Quote: Gomunkul
              All allegedly due to the fact that in some states - for example, in California and New York - theft in the amount of up to $1 thousand is not considered a crime and is punishable by a maximum fine

              Well, that is, you will pay for the goods, and you will also pay a fine :)))
              By the way, we have the same thing, and also up to a thousand. Just not dollars - rubles. But if from above
              If the value of the stolen goods is more than 1000 rubles, to bring the culprit to justice, criminal law provisions are applied, according to which the punishment may be as follows:

              a fine of up to 80000 rubles,
              compulsory work - up to 8212 days,
              arrest,
              imprisonment for a term of 2 years (in case of committing theft on a large scale, or in case of repeated crimes).
              1. 0
                3 October 2023 14: 21
                Well, that is, you will pay for the goods, and you will also pay a fine:
                It all depends on whether law enforcement officers want to catch the criminal who committed theft up to 1 or not. From my own experience I can say that they are unlikely to. The application will be accepted and forgotten.
                1. +1
                  3 October 2023 17: 54
                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  It all depends on whether law enforcement officers want to catch the criminal who committed theft up to 1 or not.

                  Also in the states the police are overloaded, so...
                2. 0
                  3 October 2023 20: 20
                  Quote: Gomunkul
                  It all depends on whether law enforcement officers want to catch the criminal who committed theft up to 1 or not.

                  This refers to experiments by “progressive” prosecutors, mainly in California, to decriminalize petty theft. There is an opinion that they are somehow unsuccessful. However, we'll wait and see.
          2. +2
            3 October 2023 19: 44
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Sorry, I don't know where this comes from, but nothing is ever free.

            Low-income people there are eligible for government assistance - the unemployed or those whose annual income is less than $15.

            In the United States there is a food stamp program called Food Stamp. Every month, a program participant receives a certain amount on their bank card, which they can spend exclusively on groceries.
            Non-profit organization "food bank" or "Food Pantry": a spacious room where food is stored that is brought here by caring people, farmers, stores (Whole Foods and Mariano's even) with an expiring shelf life.
            A large number of supermarket chains in the United States give away free fruit to children brought by customers. Not in kilograms and string bags, of course.
            Free Refill
            Families with incomes up to 130% of the federal poverty level can qualify for free school meals. This amounts to $36 in income for a family of four in the United States. Children whose families earn between 075% and 130% of the federal poverty level can receive a meal for as little as 185 cents.
            (California, Maine and some other: free for everyone)
            Or something like this:


            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Just because we have it worse doesn't make life better for the average American.

            Well…. This is how you look: there is no emigration of brains and hands to the Russian Federation. Everyone goes there, and things get better for them.
        2. +1
          3 October 2023 12: 47
          I do not judge by articles on VO. One friend lives in Wisconsin, the other in California. And both say the same thing - life has become much worse. Moreover, they live in small towns, where there is still order, in large towns there is simply darkness. They do not understand what the authorities, both local, governors, and Washington, want to achieve.
          1. +2
            3 October 2023 20: 21
            Quote: TermNachTER
            One friend lives in Wisconsin, the other in California. And they both say the same thing

            Are you not going to Russia? To China, maybe? They are building a fleet there, straight from the heart.
            1. -1
              4 October 2023 00: 03
              They live in small towns, up to 30 thousand inhabitants, it’s tolerable there for now, but God knows what will happen next. In principle, Valerka can live anywhere where there is internet, he is a programmer.
      2. +1
        3 October 2023 10: 06
        By the way, it’s also not very fun there - there are a lot of problems, including a drop in living standards.
        This would be added to the article about how they are rotting there, so much so that they lost the race to China.
        1. 0
          3 October 2023 12: 50
          He spoke more than once. Moreover, the information is straight from the USA. One friend lives in Wisconsin, the other in California. But they say the same thing, life has become worse, the lawlessness of migrants, drugs. You can read my comments in other places, they talk about this periodically. Like Valerka, who is from Wisconsin, went on a business trip to Detroit. It's a pity I deleted the photo, there is something to see.
          1. +1
            3 October 2023 13: 17
            Moreover, the information is straight from the USA.
            Apparently not everyone does. An acquaintance of a work colleague has been living with her family in the USA for more than 10 years, recently they have been living in Boston, they like everything, they don’t complain about life. We were recently on vacation, traveling around Ireland, Scotland and Turkey. So, America is also different. wink
            1. 0
              3 October 2023 18: 00
              Don't the drug addicts lying around on the streets of Boston bother her? Or does she have personal security?
              1. 0
                4 October 2023 08: 12
                Don't the drug addicts lying around on the streets of Boston bother her? Or does she have personal security?
                They live in the suburbs of Boston in their own home, one husband works, she is a housewife. I didn’t ask about drug addicts, since they don’t talk about them, it means they aren’t there where they live.
      3. 0
        3 October 2023 11: 40
        Even in furry Norway, a huge mural appeared on the elevator: I will work - for a bowl of soup! And this is in Norway!!!
        1. +5
          3 October 2023 12: 44
          I'll work for a bowl of soup! And this is in Norway!!!
          Geez, we work for a bowl of caviar...
      4. +3
        3 October 2023 20: 16
        Quote: TermNachTER
        Have you tried measuring it by purchasing power?)

        It's even worse, especially after recent events. For a Chinese Moskvich, 30 thousand dollars apiece, in America they can arrange a lynching (Republicans) or force a gender change without anesthesia (Democrats).
        Quote: TermNachTER
        including a drop in living standards.

        While the fat dries, the thin dies
  7. 0
    3 October 2023 11: 18
    Nicholas hi On September 27, the next cruiser (the 11th in a row) of the Tikandderoga Bunker Hill class was decommissioned - it served for 37 years.
    I keep an eye on our boat and don’t forget about it on social networks. Labusov is a captain, so far he’s only posted a polar bear. good
    1. +1
      3 October 2023 12: 52
      Yes, I read it. The mattress makers all want to write them off, the condition of the ships is “destroyed”. But Congress doesn't allow it. So it turns out that “on paper” there are a lot of them and they are terrible))) but, not God, it comes to war and it turns out that there is no one and nothing to fight with.
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        3 October 2023 13: 10
        Nikolay, operation in “greenhouse” conditions takes its toll. Tested on fishermen more than once, outboard fittings rot faster than servers. The Georgian “Zarzhavello” works at its best - an agent of influence. laughingThere is an option for assembling fittings and pipelines on an insulator, but repairs require the highest qualifications of pipeline repairmen. For us, this protection was ruined five years later on a ship and the game of “submariners” began. Fortunately, the water is +26 + 30 degrees.
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    3 October 2023 13: 18
    The author is one of the adherents of the sect of the famous local “military expert” Ryabov. Variations on the theme of his popular refrain “too late, useless, not suitable for winter.”
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      3 October 2023 18: 02
      The author does not know Ryabov personally and quite often criticizes this comrade. At the same time, I constantly say that everyone has the right to a personal opinion and to voice it. I am not a follower of anyone. Sometimes I quarrel with Timokhin and other comrades)))
      1. +1
        3 October 2023 18: 16
        Nikolay, you are strong in the nautical theme. Don’t pay attention to the land forces. I know what happened in the navies under the USSR. You pass the Severomorsk raid, throw the fuel hose into the water, go drifting and refuel with diesel fuel, the stench was terrible from the diesel fuel. They were afraid to throw away cigarette butts overboard. How the seals survived in this hell, I don’t know. I saw a lot of things at the entrance and exit of the Kola Bay. Especially in 1986 during the Libyan crisis. It was tough. The first thought was that World War III had begun.
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          3 October 2023 22: 09
          And in 1984, when the warehouses in Severomorsk exploded, there was no tin? Taxi drivers charged 100-150 rubles for a trip from Severomorsk to Murmansk instead of the usual five)))
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            4 October 2023 00: 07
            Alas, anything can happen, warehouses sometimes explode. In Sevastopol before 1991, the water was also not very good. It was possible to swim only on Omega and beyond.
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            4 October 2023 06: 47
            Comrade. And at the entrance from Murmansk, at the checkpoint there were people with an order to arrest all military personnel, and six months later, in Drovyanaya there was a meeting of the military tribunal, in the House of Culture. The terms were hanged with a machine gun, for desertion.
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          4 October 2023 00: 05
          Thank you for your kind words, I’m always happy to chat, even though I’m a civilian sailor (or rather a fisherman).
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    5 October 2023 15: 35
    What is known about the Columbia-class nuclear submarine?
    Armament, power plant?
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      5 October 2023 17: 41
      They write a lot of things, but there are no specifics yet. Because, as far as I understand, the process is still far along. The first is expected to enter service somewhere in the early 30s, if everything goes according to schedule. But apparently they themselves are not sure of this. There has been talk about extending the service life of the five newest "Ohio".
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    5 October 2023 20: 34
    The naval arms race with China somehow did not work out.


    Does it really exist - a naval arms race with China?

    In my opinion, the modernization program of the American fleet has not increased quantitatively or qualitatively over the past 15 years.
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      5 October 2023 21: 49
      In 2016, the program “Fleet of 355 ships” was adopted, in 2019 the “Program of 381 ships” was adopted. If the US fleet does not need to be increased quantitatively and qualitatively, why is more than 100 lard allocated annually?