The newest anti-sniper complex "Sosna-N" was successfully tested in the special operation zone

The newest anti-sniper complex "Sosna-N" was successfully tested in combat conditions; a batch of devices was specially purchased for special forces units. This was reported by a source in the Russian defense industry.

Special forces units operating in the Northern Military District zone have been armed with the new Sosna-N anti-sniper complex, which automatically detects and neutralizes any detected optics by illuminating it. A batch of complexes was specially purchased for testing in combat conditions. The source does not provide details, but the device received high marks.

A batch of Sosna-N anti-sniper systems was purchased for special forces and was successfully tested in the Northern Military District zone

- leads TASS source words.

The Sosna-N automated anti-sniper system was presented for the first time at the Army-2021 international forum. It is a remote-controlled laser-optical installation that can automatically detect any optical devices conducting surveillance or targeting. Effective at a distance of up to 2,5 km, completely illuminating the optics with oncoming radiation. At the same time, the complex itself weighs only 4,6 kg and a special tablet weighs another 1,1 kg. The operation of the complex does not depend on the time of day.

Some characteristics of Sosna-N: scanning speed - up to 18 degrees per second, IHF (instantaneous field of view) - 5x7 degrees, angle range for automatic scanning - 180 degrees, operating temperatures - from minus 25 to plus 45. Capable of working in full automatic mode when using the software 24/7. Power supply - 12 V.

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[Mihaylo Tishayshiy]

However! I am, of course, a mossy stump. And I can’t understand how this electronic “eye” will detect simple optics? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

[Kerensky]

And I can’t understand how this electronic “eye” will detect simple optics? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

I'll try. In my time there was a certain oddity:
A small tripod with a vertical laser pointer at the bottom and a swinging mirror at the top (like dentists have). It was wound up with a key (like an old watch), the winding lasted for a day (the battery for the pointer was also changed once a day). How it worked. The mirror rotated, sending a beam in a given sector, in increments of 2 cm, i.e. he rummaged along the edge, descending 2 cm lower with each pass.
Any person observing through optics caught this beam ("amplified" by his own optics) with his own eye. This doesn’t work with telemetry - it’s just a matrix flare and a white screen.
Everything else is from the Evil One. (and for pricing)

[Arkadich]

You just didn’t add that a sensor is placed next to the mirror that picks up the reflection from the optics and signals the presence of a reflection.

[Kerensky]

Did not write.
But I can add, as a matter of humor, that this device burns the reticle into the fundus of the eye. Can you imagine the reaction of ophthalmologists who watched Terminator?!

[U-58]

What is "light exposure"?
Is it like the eyes go blind (temporarily or permanently?) A constant beam shines into the eyepieces and prevents you from aiming?
Does the blinding light work as a pulse or constantly at a given point?
Well, what if the sniper takes a break for 30 minutes and starts aiming again?
Complete misunderstandings...

[Huan karlos]

A good laser easily deprives of vision (destroys the retina of the eye)

[Egeny]

“the bully is deprived of his sight...” (Leonov. Gentlemen of Fortune)
I also don’t really understand how the complex detects an ordinary sniper rifle, unless the optics “look” into the scanner.
As for the “focal plane”, by the way, it’s somehow vague:
glass in the casing, and the “plane” outside?
Maybe a thermal imager is also present?

[Egeny]

Let me explain in my own words... the focal plane is the plane perpendicular to the optical axis at the focal point

So the "focal plane" is deep under the scope housing.

[Kerensky]

Light exposure.... I recommended one girl (a friend’s daughter) to mount a couple of flash units on the straps of her backpack (from fulyugans). The girl approached the issue thoroughly, and together with her dad, she mounted 6 GOOD flashes!!! And yet the test subjects were found in the dark park!
30 minutes complete loss of vision and orientation in space. They were able to sign the testimony within a week. ...

[Vladimir_2U]

Detecting and lighting up are not the same thing. Sosna can illuminate, even in automatic mode, but only if there is permission from the operator, otherwise it is of little use in peacetime.

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

And I can’t understand how this electronic “eye” will detect simple optics? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

At one time I was answered a similar, but not the same, question like this:

samosad (Dmitry)
You need a focal plane. It is when reflected from it that the so-called “reverse flare” is obtained. Not to be confused with reflection from a lens. And the focal plane exists only in optical systems, even the simplest ones, such as binoculars, a telescope or the same sight.

[cpls22]

The focal plane is what the optical system focuses on. On the one hand, this is the object of observation, and on the other, the retina or matrix. So they shine. Remember the red-eye effect when point-and-shoot cameras were in use, with a flash located close to the lens? It seems that the anti-sniper system is built on this.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from cpls22

The focal plane is what the optical system focuses on.

No. The focal plane in paraxial optics is a plane perpendicular to the optical axis and passing through the front or rear focus, called the front or rear focal plane, respectively. And accordingly, the system does not focus on these planes.

Quote from cpls22

On the one hand, this is the object of observation, and on the other, the retina or matrix. So they shine.

They glare, but broken pieces of glass also glare. But the pieces of glass will simply scatter the laser beam or re-reflect it according to the law of reflection, but the system will return it to the sender in the detection detector.

Personally, I understood it this way.

[cpls22]

They glare, but broken pieces of glass also glare. But the pieces of glass will simply scatter the laser beam or re-reflect it according to the law of reflection, but the system will return it to the sender in the detection detector.

It's all about the size of the flare. The retina gives a clear reflection back, because in front of it there is an optical system that increases the source of illumination. This is why you can see the eyes of animals looking out of the bushes at night if you stand next to the headlights of a car. Theoretically, a piece of glass can also return light back if it is oriented clearly perpendicular, but the likelihood of this is extremely low.
As for the rear focal plane, under conditions of aiming at a long distance, it practically coincides with the plane of the imaged space - the retina or matrix.
If the sniper does not look into the scope at the moment the laser beam passes through it, this anti-sniper system is unlikely to detect him. If the sight is electronic, then this number will not work. The matrix will give a glare, and the size and shape of the front lens of an optical device or sight.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from cpls22

If the sniper does not look into the scope at the moment the laser beam passes through it, this anti-sniper system is unlikely to detect him.

There are also thoughts on this matter, but perhaps something is causing re-reflection from the lenses of the system, but it exists, and usually, if a person does not look into the optics, then the optics (sight, binoculars) are not directed anywhere.

[cpls22]

perhaps something is causing reflection from the lenses of the system

such re-reflection is considered parasitic, and they try to avoid it even at the design stage of the optical system, introducing brightening of some surfaces and blackening of others.
And yes - if the optics are not aimed within an acute angle at the anti-sniper system, then the latter is powerless. This means that she can only protect a limited radius around herself. Moreover, the closer the supposed shooter, the smaller the radius.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote from cpls22

such re-reflection is considered parasitic, and they try to avoid it even at the design stage of the optical system, introducing brightening of some surfaces and blackening of others.

Well, try to avoid it when irradiating with laser from the outside...

Quote from cpls22

And yes - if the optics are not aimed within an acute angle at the anti-sniper system, then the latter is powerless.

How acute is the angle? Even 30 gr. this is a lot from the axis.

Quote from cpls22

This means that she can only protect a limited radius around herself. Moreover, the closer the supposed shooter, the smaller the radius.

The radius does not follow from this at all. It follows that the number of protected objects is limited, and the radius depends on the laser power, the sensitivity of the receiving detector and the transparency of the atmosphere.

[cpls22]

Well, try to avoid it when irradiating with laser from the outside...

If the source of laser radiation is not in the field of view of the sight, the effect on the resulting image will be negligible. As well as the response beam to the sensors of the anti-sniper system.

How acute is the angle?

sight angle.

The radius does not follow from this at all. It follows that the number of protected objects is limited, and the radius depends on the laser power, the sensitivity of the receiving detector and the transparency of the atmosphere.

You are confusing the protection radius with the detection and impact range.
I meant the distance next to the anti-sniper system, being at which you can count on its protection. So - the closer the enemy shooter is to the protected position, the less of its space falls into his sight. Accordingly, there is less risk of catching a laser bunny when aiming at something nearby. Such a paradox). The system under discussion weighs about 5 kg. , because you can’t hang it on every shooter. Most likely it was created to protect NP. It would be nice if it worked in the IR range, so as not to signal its existence to everyone. Unfortunately, there is no information about this in the article.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

How will this electronic “eye” detect simple optics?

Actually, I am familiar with the operation of such a device... A laser emitter (scanner) scans a certain sector of the terrain... the optics of the adversary reflect the radiation back ("glare")... a special television camera detects the glare (plus a receiver of reflected laser radiation... ) After detecting the optics and marking the “point” of its location, this “point” is processed by a scanning laser of a certain power in a narrow “socket” (the adversary can be deprived of vision “for a long time” (forever!) or (the demands of humanists for war!) blind "in time"!)...

[Winnie76]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

You can deprive your adversary of his sight “for a long time” (forever!) or (the demands of humanists for war!) blind him “for a time”!)...

If I'm not mistaken, blinding weapons are against some kind of convention. As a humanist, I think this thing should be combined with AGS

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Winnie76

blinding weapons are against some convention.

There is such a thing. But in China, such means have been in the army for a long time, and they don’t care about any bans.
It wouldn’t hurt to install such things on tanks: all anti-tank systems (grenade launchers, ATGMs, etc.) are usually equipped with optics. Pointed it at the tank - received a laser light in the eye + the tank received information from where they were aiming at it and it could respond in that direction.

[Nikif]

And AGS is humane. ) In general, it’s interesting - nuclear weapons, flamethrowers and so on and so forth are normal. But cluster bombs and anti-personnel mines are vile, inhumane. A bullet to the eye is possible. A splinter will fly into your eye - that’s fate, but only monsters use lasers... This world is strange.

[Rumata]

Quote: Winnie76

If I'm not mistaken, blinding weapons are against some kind of convention.

It is forbidden to dazzle the eyes directly, but it is possible to dazzle the eyes through optics.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Winnie76

If I'm not mistaken, blinding weapons are against some kind of convention.

There is such a thing, so in the rest of the world, most such systems do not have countermeasures using radiation.

Quote: Winnie76

As a humanist, I think this thing should be combined with AGS

On Israeli technology, it is combined with a machine gun or autocannon on the DUM, and there is an auto mode, although this is not advertised, so that human rights activists do not squeal all sorts of things that the robot should not pull the trigger itself.
The automatic mode for suppressing ATGM points on the KAZ, by the way, came from it. The radar determines the trajectory of the ammunition, the tank rotates the turret, the optics and laser find the glare from the aiming devices, the BIUS calculates the ballistics and hello, the main thing is that there is a projectile in the barrel.

[Maz]

As far as I remember, this complex was created in 2015 or 2016 and was written about in military reviews, only it did not have a countermeasure laser, and detected any optical devices at a distance of up to 4 km. Including observational ones. The fact that he was sawed for 7 years and only now was given for testing into the troops is not gut. As an anti-sniper device, it should have been in the army a long time ago... thanks to Shoigu and Gerasim for their nimbleness.

[Irek]

Everything that helps to effectively destroy the Bandera tribe for our benefit, we must quickly arm our units with these complexes.

[tralflot1832]

Cool thing, I don’t know how it works, I only know the result in peacetime, a pale appearance and an upset heart and the loss of all optics through confiscation.

[rotmistr60]

"Sosna-N", which automatically detects and neutralizes any detected optics by exposing it.

Anything that effectively acts against the enemy and minimizes our losses is of course welcome.

[Oleg Ogorod]

Why pine? Well, the tank sight is also pine. Well, they would call it birch or aspen. Or hawthorn (boyar)...
Or cider...

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

Why pine? Well, the tank sight is also pine. Well, they would call it birch or aspen. Or hawthorn (boyar)...
Or cider...

Or “Sosni-Na”...
If only it worked...
I have a suspicion that anything that has electronic vision can be blinded in a similar way. Maybe the commander of the Israeli "Chariot" or some F-35 pilot, or some rocket with smart brains...
Good stuff...

[vyachko]

Сscanning Оdetector Сedits ATsurveillance

[Oleg Ogorod]

Why pine? Well, the tank sight is also pine. Well, they would call it birch or aspen. Or hawthorn...
Or cider...

[sub307]

And so that they don’t “move in” right away... but which of the pine trees is cooler for them (opponents).

[Azim77]

Quote: Oleg Ogorod

Why pine?

Alternatively, from the fairy tale "Mashenka and the Bears"

I'm sitting on a pine tree, looking far away.

[Andy_nsk]

operating temperatures - from minus 25 to plus 45.

Nobody is going to fight in Siberia and the North. God bless!
In general, for the military they always gave a range of minus 55, maybe it’s reasonable - not to overcomplicate the work of the military-industrial complex.

[sub307]

Quote: Mihaylo Tishayshiy

However! I am, of course, a mossy stump. And I can’t understand how this electronic “eye” will detect simple optics? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

Don’t be upset...you are not the only “mossy stump” here! It’s okay... as they say, “Google” will help us.

[Alexander 3]

The main thing is that the equipment works and produces results, but how it works does not need to be told or explained. It’s a secret.

[rocket757]

The newest anti-sniper complex "Sosna-N" was successfully tested in the special operation zone

Obviously, increasing the characteristics of sniper weapons leads to the development of new countermeasures of varying degrees of effectiveness.
Only actual use on the battlefield will show who wins!

[Aviator_]

Everything is clear, it catches the reflected glare from the optical sight. But there is the development of "Owl" on the acoustic principle, made in Sarov in the late 90s (a complete analogue of the systems of Israel, France, the USA, England...). It is in service with the Sumerians.

I wonder if we have it too?

[AndreyKam_Z]

I wonder if we have it too?

There is also an Owl, a range of up to 1 km. But in active combat operations it is ineffective, there is a lot of interference, but anti-terrorist and anti-sniping helps.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Aviator_

I wonder if we have it too?

Based on similar operating principles for counter-battery warfare, there is the 1B33 AZK-7 “Mesotron”

[Peter1First]

On an acoustic principle, this is, if you please, after the shot? -Then it’s too late to find out...

[stankow]

This is already acoustics. The sound of bullets flying is analyzed, not glare. You can see 4 microphones.

[Hey]

After reading such news, I always ask a question. How many of these devices are needed, and how many can the industry supply and in what time frame?
If such a device is in single copies, and the delivery time is years, then no matter how beautiful it is, it does not have a decisive effect.

[Al manah]

There should be thousands of such devices, but it would be good if they made a hundred. Now, if it were for export, then yes, but for our own... Until now they have managed, so they will manage...

[Andrey1978]

At one of the open air events, a visit from the president was expected, a lot of security, we stood completely far from what was happening, the guys from the Ministry of Internal Affairs received instructions to immediately remove everything that glitters on the car, otherwise they would destroy everything... The boys actually wrapped the mirrors with rags, one even He took off his glasses and hid them in his pocket. Maybe they also turned on such a thing and tested it?

[storm]

What if you hang a dozen or two glass bottles so that they spin and sway in the wind?
This device is tormented from being “exposed” by mistaking it for enemy optical instruments....