“The Black Sea Fleet will defend the strait against any enemy fleet”

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“The Black Sea Fleet will defend the strait against any enemy fleet”
Review of the Black Sea fleet in 1849. Hood. I. Aivazovsky


War has become inevitable


After the failure of Prince Menshikov’s mission, Tsar Nikolai Pavlovich, in order not to lose face, could only use force (How Nikolaev Russia fell into the trap of the Crimean War). In St. Petersburg they believed that this would be another Russian-Turkish war, tete-a-tete, without outsiders, in which Russia had complete advantage, both on land and at sea. As a last resort, France could enter the war, but we did not have common borders, and the French could provide limited assistance to the Ottoman Empire.



With England, as was believed in the Russian capital, we had no controversial issues. Austria and Prussia were considered our reliable partners. St. Petersburg especially believed in the benevolent neutrality of the Austrian Empire, which we saved in 1849 from the Hungarian Revolution. The collapse of these hopes became one of the main reasons for Russia's defeat in the Crimean (Eastern) War. The Foreign Ministry's pre-war diplomacy in Western Europe turned out to be an almost complete failure.

As shows story, the Western world is at any moment ready to forget the good deeds that Russia and the Russians have done - saving Europe from Napoleon or Hitler, saving the USA from the invasion of England and France in 1863, the sacrifices of the Russians to save Paris in 1914, etc. People's memory is short , and politicians act based on the short-term and long-term interests of their countries or unions. Huge Russia was always feared, Russians were considered “barbarians”, “Scythians”. We must always remember this so as not to complain later that we were deceived again.


Portrait of Emperor Nicholas I. Hood. Egor (Georg) Botman

Bosphorus operation


At the end of December 1852, Emperor Nicholas sketched out a plan for the “Bosphorus Operation”. He correctly noted that “The more striking, unexpected and decisively we strike, the sooner we will put an end to the struggle. But any slowness and indecision will give the Turks time to come to their senses, prepare for defense, and probably the French will have time to intervene in the matter either with a fleet, or even with troops, and most likely, by sending officers whom the Turks need. So, quick preparations, possible secrecy and decisive action are necessary for success.”

Thus, the Russian sovereign showed the key to success in the confrontation with Turkey, and possibly France. It was a quick and decisive operation while the enemy was not ready. Russian blitzkrieg. A strong expedition with the help of a fleet to the Bosphorus and Constantinople-Constantinople could quickly decide everything in favor of Russia.

The operation could involve the 13th Infantry Division (12 battalions with 34 guns) with loading in Sevastopol, the 12th Infantry Division in Odessa (the same forces). The divisions, with the help of ships of the Black Sea Fleet, landed in the Bosporus and captured Constantinople. The capital of the Ottoman Empire, the “think tank” where the empire’s key communications were located. Russia seized the strategic initiative and forced the Turkish government to begin peace negotiations, or to gather troops in the European part of Turkey (exposing the front on the Danube) and wait for help from the European powers. At the same time, Russian troops and navy could continue the operation and occupy the Dardanelles, preventing the same French from quickly coming to the aid of the Ottomans.

In February 1853, the chief of staff of the Black Sea Fleet and ports, Kornilov, submitted to the War Ministry a complete calculation for the transportation of landing forces. On March 19, 1853, Kornilov provided a memorandum to the head of the Naval Ministry, Grand Duke Konstantin Nikolaevich. In it, he noted that the Turkish fleet (5 battleships, 7 frigates, several corvettes and steamships) is hardly capable of going to sea to confront our fleet, but can defend the Bosphorus in the form of floating batteries. The future Battle of Sinop showed that Kornilov was right - the Russian fleet was significantly superior to the Ottoman one. The Bosphorus fortifications, although they have been updated, are still “easily passable.”

Kornilov concluded that,

“having occupied the Dardanelles fortifications by landing at a favorable point, for example, in Yalova-Liman or against the Greek village of Maidos, and having a division on the Hellespont Peninsula, the Black Sea Fleet will defend the strait against any enemy fleet.”
The success of the operation was determined by complete secrecy and surprise for the enemy. To deceive the Turks, Kornilov proposed declaring such an operation impossible and demonstrating the preparation of a landing on Varna or Burgas.


Was the plan to capture Constantinople real?


Quite. Cheek brings success. The probability of capturing the Bosporus and Constantinople was more than 90%, the Dardanelles from 50 to 70%. A daring, sudden and decisive operation would demoralize the Turks. Perhaps it would force them to accept a peace beneficial to Russia. With the leaving of Russian troops and ships in the strait zone as a guarantor of peace.

There were all the conditions for such an operation.

Firstly, our fleet in terms of the level of training of commanders and sailors and their training was much higher than the Turkish one, which was going through hard times. We had talented and decisive naval commanders who could carry out such an operation - Nakhimov, Kornilov, Istomin.

Secondly, the Ottomans were not prepared for such a situation. They were preparing to fight in the Danube and the Caucasus.

It is interesting that even the failure of the Russian Bosphorus operation could no longer make the situation worse than it was in reality. We would have lost several ships, hundreds or thousands of soldiers and sailors, and retreated. The fleet still had to be sunk without a fight in Sevastopol when the enemy arrived there. The human losses on the Danube, where the outcome of the war, as it turned out, was not decided, were much higher.

But with the capture of the Bosporus, even without the Dardanelles, excellent opportunities opened up for Russia. It would be a strategic victory. Why?

First, the we ruled out an invasion of the British, French and Turks in the Black Sea and Crimea. The enemy could not break through to the Black Sea theater. Russia turned the sea into a Russian lake and could, with the help of the fleet, facilitate the offensive of the army on the Danube and Caucasus fronts, destroy Turkish ports in Anatolia. The Russian army could quite easily cross the Danube, the Balkan Mountains and reach the straits, to the aid of the advanced landing corps. Russia could easily have raised up the Romanians, Bulgarians and Serbs against the Turks, intimidating Austria with the threat of a Slavic uprising. Russian troops solved strategic problems in the Caucasus without any problems.

Second, the Russia could defend the Bosporus for many years without any problems. The Bosphorus and Constantinople would have become for us an analogue of the defense of Sevastopol in 1854–1855, but we held them. The fact is that The Bosphorus and Constantinople were easier for us to defend than Sevastopol. It's a matter of supply.

The weak point of the defense of Sevastopol was supply. There were almost no railways yet. Delivery of guns, ammunition, and supplies through Russia and Crimea turned out to be difficult, costly and slow. We could supply the troops and fleet in the Bosporus (and the Dardanelles, if they were successfully captured) by sea, through the ports of Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev, Taganrog, Sevastopol, etc. Then, when they were occupied, we could use the Bulgarian ports.

We were also able to transfer reinforcements in time and strengthen the airborne corps with new regiments and divisions. Now we did not have to scatter troops and artillery along the entire coast from Odessa to Novorossiysk, and wait in alarm for the enemy landing. It was possible to concentrate efforts on the defense of the Bosphorus, or the entire strait zone.

At the same time, we would cover most of the initial needs of the army and navy from trophies. They would use the guns and supplies of the Ottoman fleet. Constantinople itself had everything! Guns and ammunition in the arsenals, provisions would be brought by the locals (almost half are Christians, Greeks). For new fortifications, it was possible to dismantle old fortresses and stone structures. Do not forget: from a third to half of the population of Constantinople and its suburbs were Christians, Greeks, Armenians, and Slavs. The appearance of the Russians would have caused them great enthusiasm. From them it was possible to recruit thousands of auxiliary militia fighters and construction and engineering battalions.

Third, the appearance of Russians in the Bosphorus and Constantinople would demoralize the Porte. She could have made peace immediately or soon. The Russians in Constantinople became an “atomic bomb” for the Ottoman Empire. This is the center of the empire, the main communications. Division of the empire into Asian and European parts. The supply lines to Turkish troops in Europe, which passed through the capital, were largely cut off.

Immediate uprising of Christian and Slavic peoples in the Balkans. Their sympathies were completely on the side of the Russian Tsar and our army. Russia could threaten the division of Turkey, the immediate separation of its European part, or simply do it. The Danube principalities, Bulgaria, Serbia became our protectorates.

Fourthly, the Russian army was not bound by the defense of the Black Sea coast and Crimea. Austria could not threaten Russia with a concentration of troops in the Danube theater. Vice versa, we could concentrate forces on the Danube, in Bulgaria and exert military-political pressure on Vienna. They say, violate friendly neutrality, and your “patchwork empire” will collapse.

Unfortunately, this magnificent plan was not implemented. Nicholas I again succumbed to the persuasion of the chancellor, Foreign Minister Nesselrode and a number of other elderly dignitaries who were afraid of disrupting “stability” in Europe. They say, we will be careful and remain “partners” of the European powers.

On June 8, 1853, Tsar Nicholas I ordered the Russian army to occupy the Danube principalities (Moldova and Wallachia) subordinate to the Sultan “as collateral until Turkey satisfies the fair demands of Russia.” In turn, the British government ordered the Mediterranean squadron to go to the Aegean Sea. On June 21 (July 3), 1853, Russian troops entered the Danube principalities. Russia fell into a trap that led to its defeat.
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  1. +6
    4 October 2023 04: 52
    Yes yes yes, Samsonov is in his repertoire. If the Slavs supported the Russian Tsar so much, why were there no people willing to fight among the Bulgarians living in Bulgaria, and the Bulgarian merchants sold food at exorbitant prices. The only thing that distinguished the locals was the massacre and robbery of the Turks.
    1. +6
      4 October 2023 05: 12
      Bulgaria has officially always been on the side of the countries fighting against Russia... it was so a hundred years ago, it is still happening now... the attitude of ordinary Bulgarians towards Russia does not matter at all.
    2. +5
      4 October 2023 06: 23
      If the Slavs supported the Russian Tsar so much, why were there no people willing to fight among the Bulgarians living in Bulgaria?
      Especially during the Russian-Turkish war of 1828-1829, when the Greeks fought for their independence, and the Russian army reached Istanbul? laughing
      1. +8
        4 October 2023 17: 45
        Whenever your army passed through our lands during wars, there were always volunteers next to your army. Always! What benefit was there for Bulgaria before 1878? Net zero. Your army followed the orders of the empire and returned to Russia. Then, as always, the dogs ate us. And in one of the attempted uprisings, you even arrest a Bulgarian officer of your army for participating in a conspiracy against the Ottoman Empire and hand him over to Istanbul. You have always looked out for your own interests. Could you have imposed conditions on the Ottoman Empire after the war of 1829, when you literally smashed them and freed everyone on the Balkan Peninsula, not just us Bulgarians? You could. But it was not in your interests. Then you even saved the Ottoman Empire a little later. Why? Interests.-
        And in Bulgaria there was no aristocracy 400 years ago. Everything was destroyed.
    3. +8
      4 October 2023 06: 37
      At the end of December 1852, Emperor Nicholas sketched out a plan for the “Bosphorus Operation”

      Lord, why write this? After all, any VMU cadet’s hair will stand on end, not to mention the teachers. This plan was developed back in 1806-1812. Naval Minister Admiral Pavel Chichagov. It provided for a blockade of the Bosphorus by the Black Sea Fleet, then a breakthrough of the Black Sea Fleet through the Bosphorus, and a landing of 15-20 thousand people. and, as a consequence, the capture of Constantinople and the Bosphorus Strait. Kornilov simply reminded Nikolai about it and he decided to use it. Although the same Kornilov and especially Vladimir Ivanovich Istomin, citing the international situation and the lack of ground support, were against it.
  2. +5
    4 October 2023 05: 03
    Nicholas I again succumbed to the persuasion of the chancellor, Foreign Minister Nesselrode and a number of other elderly dignitaries who were afraid of disrupting “stability” in Europe. They say, we will be careful and remain “partners” of the European powers.
    Apart from dates, little changes in Russia... Unless it's the Soviet Union.
    1. +4
      4 October 2023 05: 13
      The Tsar Father is not to blame...the boyars around him are to blame.
  3. +1
    4 October 2023 05: 06
    The USSR fought with Hitler, Russia is only part of it, I wonder if Napoleon was or was not part of the notorious Western world? It turns out that this world was saved from its part according to Samsonov’s logic?
    The logic is about some kind of deception, like that of a friend of mine who dismantled the roof of his dacha in order to build an attic, confident that he would be approved for a loan, and began to lament that the bank deceived him when they didn’t give it, when asked what happened, the girl consultant said something in the style of they will probably approve, come and find out about this - probably only the sparrows did not laugh at him, and even that is not a fact.
  4. +6
    4 October 2023 05: 33
    An article in the style of the one where the Allies could easily open a second front in 1942, some author knows where the assumptions were taken from. Take, for example, the fact that it would be easier to organize supplies by sea than by land)? The British and French had problems with supplies through the roof, but the Russians would not have had any?
    I advise the author to at least play strategy games like Hearts of Iron, he will discover a lot of new things, or better yet, go to the site of alternative history lovers, where they put towers from Yamato on battleships like Petropavlovsk.
    1. 0
      14 January 2024 21: 27
      Quote from Tim666
      An article in the style of the one where the Allies could easily open a second front in 1942, some author knows where the assumptions were taken from. Take, for example, the fact that it would be easier to organize supplies by sea than by land)? The British and French had problems with supplies through the roof, but the Russians would not have had any?

      It is still necessary to take into account the time of development of events. In the middle of the 19th century there were no proper trains (I mean the railway network). Then the fastest supply was by sea or rivers. Just imagine. Delivery of everything necessary for the French and British armies around Europe and the same delivery across the Black Sea! And even then the army needed much less cargo per day than today. So, during a landing in or near the Bosphorus, the Russian army had not at all a bad chance of victory. Moreover, parts of the Turkish army were scattered throughout the Balkans and the Caucasus. Although you are right about one thing. There is no “what would have happened if” in history!!!
  5. +2
    4 October 2023 06: 40
    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Bulgaria has officially always been on the side of the countries fighting against Russia... it was so a hundred years ago, it is still happening now... the attitude of ordinary Bulgarians towards Russia does not matter at all.

    When the RI troops won independence for Bulgaria, almost no one from the locals responded to the call to volunteer to fight. Yes, the Bulgarians fought, but mostly they were patriotic representatives of the aristocracy who had long lived on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia and their patriotism, so to speak, was with an eye to the future. But the local Bulgarians were excellent at slaughtering and robbing the unprotected Turks, with whom they had long lived side by side. As a result, the Turkish population had to be protected. Bulgarian merchants raised the price of food for the Russian army by almost three times and in the end it was more profitable to buy it from Turkish merchants,
    1. 0
      14 January 2024 22: 18
      Quote from Tim666
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Bulgaria has officially always been on the side of the countries fighting against Russia... it was so a hundred years ago, it is still happening now... the attitude of ordinary Bulgarians towards Russia does not matter at all.

      When the RI troops won independence for Bulgaria, almost no one from the locals responded to the call to volunteer to fight. Yes, the Bulgarians fought, but mostly they were patriotic representatives of the aristocracy who had long lived on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia and their patriotism, so to speak, was with an eye to the future. But the local Bulgarians were excellent at slaughtering and robbing the unprotected Turks, with whom they had long lived side by side. As a result, the Turkish population had to be protected. Bulgarian merchants raised the price of food for the Russian army by almost three times and in the end it was more profitable to buy it from Turkish merchants,

      You are right about the fact that they didn’t respond, with some reservations. This was the case in Northern Bulgaria, where the two previous Russian-Turkish wars of 1828 - 1853, which ended in Turkish atrocities against the local population, were still vivid in memory. Since these very wars, there have been two waves of immigrants from Bulgarian territory to the territory of Bessarabia. So the local population was afraid of the brother side. They were afraid, and not without reason, that the Russian army would leave again and leave them alone with the bashi-bazouk (this is exactly what happened twice in 50 years. Those who remembered both times were still alive). As for the Bulgarian aristocrats who have lived on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia for a long time, don’t make my shoes laugh. There was NO Bulgarian aristocracy AT ALL (by that time for almost 450 years.) The Turks destroyed the last of the Bulgarian aristocracy in the mid-15th century after several uprisings. In addition, I somehow can’t believe that someone would risk their life as a simple soldier in the hope that someday he will eventually be able to occupy some positions in the future Bulgarian administration. However, that’s exactly what happened. Almost no one (I think no one, but I’m not 100% sure) of the Bulgarian militias who participated in the defense of Stara Zagora and the Shipchensky Pass held any positions in the Bulgarian administration after liberation. One of the reasons for this is that these were ordinary people (not an aristocracy at all) without serious education. If I’m not mistaken, there were also several students who studied at universities in the Republic of Ingushetia, but there were few of them; there were several more students in gymnasiums in the Republic of Ingushetia.
      About the slaughter of local Turks. There were probably such people, especially after the fighting moved to the south of the Balkans. Before this, I somehow couldn’t believe that it was possible to slaughter an entire armed population like the Turks. Where do you think the so-called did you get the bashibozuk? I'll enlighten you. Bashibozuk is essentially a Turkish militia, or, if you want, a modern territorial defense system. In the Otoman Empire, ALL Muslims were subject to military obligations. Of the Christians (read Bulgarians), only certain villages were drafted into the army, and then only as suppliers without the right to bear arms. And it was Bashibozuk who suppressed the uprising of 1877. Although in several cases, such as the capture of the village of Bratsigovo and the Dryanovsky Monastery, the regular army had to intervene. Bashibozuk did not have time to cope on his own. Regarding peaceful coexistence with the Turks side by side. Look what happened during the Russian-Turkish wars (1828 and 1853) when bashibozuk from neighboring Turkish villages devastated the Bulgarian villages in the neighborhood and then feel sorry for the defenseless Turks.
      You are absolutely right about the inflated prices for food and horse feed. What do you want from money bags? As today, as then, there was NO homeland for them (not for everyone, of course, but most of the Bulgarian merchants were generally tied to trade in the Otoman Empire and they, by and large, did not care whether Bulgaria was free or not). For them, the main thing is arrival and nothing more.
  6. +6
    4 October 2023 08: 18
    “And then Ostap got carried away” (c). Everything I want to say after reading the article
  7. +3
    4 October 2023 08: 26
    An article from the series, if suddenly, a grandmother became a grandfather.
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  9. +6
    4 October 2023 10: 10
    Colleagues, it seems to me, or is the author really contradicting himself?
    “The weak point of the defense of Sevastopol was that there was almost no supply of railways” - so, were there railways to Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev?
    It turns out that there is no railway for the defense of Sevastopol, but there is one for the defense of the Bosphorus?
    As I remember, in 1877 there were still few railways in the Republic of Ingushetia, but over a quarter of a century there were more of them...
    And yet, I have a doubt: the Caucasian War could have interfered.
    It’s one thing when there is stability in the state, or relative stability
    And it’s completely different when the war is in the south
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 11: 43
      Colleagues, it seems to me, or is the author really contradicting himself?
      The author simply writes what would happen if, and in this case contradictions are inevitable.
    2. 0
      5 October 2023 11: 36
      Quote: Astra wild2
      But were there railways to Odessa, Kherson, Nikolaev?

      And there were no steam ships.... How many can be delivered on sailing ships?
      And what would these ships carry? Cannonballs and cast iron cannons?
      The bulk of the population lived in central Russia and was engaged in super-inefficient agriculture.
      The tsar had to urgently abolish serfdom, and not dream of world domination.
      from 1850 to 1960, the length of American railways increased from 14 to 48 thousand kilometers. And at the beginning of the reign of Nicholas 1, Russia and the United States were approximately equal in economic potential.
    3. +1
      5 October 2023 18: 37
      I don’t see any contradictions regarding supplies. Before the development of railway transport, water transport was the only one that provided large volumes of cargo turnover, and it remains the cheapest even now, therefore, in those days, the most successful seaports were those that stood at the confluence of large rivers into the sea, through which supplies went. Have you been to Crimea? Have you seen the “rivers” there? Can you imagine supplying Sevastopol from Russia on carts and in the absence of roads in the modern sense? In peacetime, supply was probably by sea, which was closed by the Anglo-French. Now river transport (in our country) is in decline, but for a long time, for centuries, all trade in Russia went along rivers, even if directly by land it was several times shorter.
  10. +3
    4 October 2023 11: 47
    The Samson neural network is developing. He even tries to joke, master sarcasm and irony)
  11. +3
    4 October 2023 11: 51
    The fleet still had to be sunk without a fight in Sevastopol

    After that - not a single battle won at sea. The fleet has become a burden. The sailors fought well only on land.
    The voluntary drowning of the fleet turned out to be a mystical act, with long-lasting consequences to this day. Look at the actions of “chi fleet or not fleet” in the current war.
  12. +3
    4 October 2023 11: 51
    I’ve already written about this landing here, and now I’ll just repeat it.
    Firstly. Coastal fortifications are not absolute protection. Especially the Turkish ones, which were in poor condition. As practice has shown, coastal fortifications are normally taken from the sea. That is, a naval landing by England and France from the Mediterranean Sea is possible and has a chance of success.
    Secondly, during the landing we get a large city in the near rear with an initially disloyal population of ANOTHER FAITH. How many Orthodox were there? 10% or less? We take into account the British propensity for sabotage, there would be unpleasant surprises. Further, this large city needs to be fed, and the main flow of grain came from Greece. During the Napoleonic wars, Senyavin organized a blockade, well, the results were... In the form of riots. So either we feed this city or we have a food riot. And also, evaluate the contribution of the civilian population of Sevastopol, their role in the defense of the city, this will not happen here, at best they will cause moderate harm.
    Thirdly, is the Black Sea an inland lake of Russia? Right now, whose Bulgarian coast is it? It's full of shady characters like smugglers who can easily be upgraded to pirates. That is, single ships would be at risk, and convoys would have to be assembled. During the time of the sailing fleet. Whose Danube was it then by the way? It was possible to build ships in Europe and lower them down the Danube.
    Well, the moral side. How do you think the capture of Istanbul would be presented in Europe? That's right, Russian aggression!!!
    1. Fat
      +5
      4 October 2023 20: 42
      Quote: Not the fighter
      Well, the moral side. How do you think the capture of Istanbul would be presented in Europe? That's right, Russian aggression!!!

      hi Greetings Roman. A normal reaction would be something like this:
      Russia continues to celebrate their bloody victory in the battle as they continued to fire on Turkish ships that were out of action and unable to resist. The squadron courageously resisted, but the Russians, cold-blooded and cynically, completely destroyed it. Before the battle, there were 4490 people in the Turkish squadron. After the battle, only 358 survived. The city of Sinop was completely destroyed due to heavy fire from Russian artillery. The entire coast is strewn with the corpses of the dead. The local population that survived has neither food nor water. They do not receive proper medical care.

      Note from The Hampshire Telegraph, December 12, 1853
  13. +6
    4 October 2023 12: 23
    I saw sailing ships on the screensaver and thought that Makhov’s article...
    God, what an abyss of disappointment! crying
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 12: 32
      God, what an abyss of disappointment!
      The author has once again made up a story.
  14. +2
    4 October 2023 12: 28
    IMHO, this is fantasy. Basically everything.
    Capture the capital of a weakened but still toothy Empire? Who are they trying to get their teeth into?
    And like, some will support, but others won’t say a word? oh hardly.
    Some “Hurray guesses”, such as “from a third to a half of the population of Constantinople and its suburbs were Christians, Greeks, Armenians, Slavs. The appearance of the Russians would have caused them great enthusiasm. From them it was possible to recruit thousands of auxiliary militia fighters, construction and engineering battalions "
    Especially if we remember the current situation: Recruiting militia, military defense and police from local commoners? Classes of Tsarist Russia?

    There are a bunch of comments above that those “forcibly liberated” somehow didn’t really run to fight for the Russians
    1. +3
      4 October 2023 18: 39
      Quote: Max1995
      The appearance of the Russians would have caused them great enthusiasm.

      The Turks are an imperial nation and an attack on their capital would unite them. In 2014, Churchill attempted to carry out the Dardanelles operation. The British (New Zealanders) were bogged down in fierce hand-to-hand fighting. Ataturk gave the order to his soldiers who did not have live ammunition: “I brought you to die!” managed to stop the British attacks with one kind of Turkish soldiers who did not fire a single shot but occupied commanding heights for defense under the fire of the British. At that time there was no railway either to Sevastopol or to Odessa. Transporting ammunition from the Ural factories to Odessa on the frozen Dnieper in winter was still a problem. Moreover, if Nakhimov fought a battle in the zone of action of the coastal batteries of Sinop, then what was the problem for the combined Anglo-French fleet to break through the Bosphorus. Having lost even 20% of the fleet, the British would have blocked the Russian expeditionary force, which would have allowed the Turks to destroy it later.
  15. +4
    4 October 2023 12: 43
    If anyone is interested in the topic, then instead of pseudo-historical paroxysms it is better to read this book.

  16. +2
    4 October 2023 13: 46
    >As history shows, the Western world is ready at any moment to forget the good deeds that Russia and the Russians have done - saving Europe from Napoleon or Hitler, saving the USA from the invasion of England and France in 1863, the sacrifices of the Russians to save Paris in 1914

    Well, this is absolutely complete propaganda. All of Europe fought with Napoleon for many years, it is unclear why only Russia should be grateful (which, moreover, itself climbed to Napoleon). The display of the flag by the Russian fleet (how long would it hold out against Royal Navi? And the war of privateering, as the French example showed, will not bring Britain to its knees) somehow does not attract the rescue of the United States from the AIF, which was already not going to get involved in the continental slaughter. Well, in WWII, the main front, whatever one may say, was the Western, and Paris bore the brunt of the war. If we were left alone with Germany, at best we would become a colony forever.

    As for the plan, its implementation guaranteed war with all European countries. No one wanted to see the straits under Russian control; Mediterranean trade was critical. But Nikolai did not want a big war against everyone. Moreover, supplying the Bosphorus would be much more difficult than Sevastopol due to the distances and hostile population.
  17. +1
    11 October 2023 00: 02
    But with the capture of the Bosporus, even without the Dardanelles, excellent opportunities opened up for Russia. It would be a strategic victory. Why?
    Fantasies. The Anglo-French squadron had been stuck in the Aegean Sea since the beginning of 1853. Or even from the end of 1852. And she followed our actions. As soon as it became known in November 1853 that our fleet was going to leave Sevastopol, the squadron immediately found itself in the Gulf of Izmit, in Beshik-Kerfez Bay. For some reason they write about this bay that it is in the Dardanelles Strait? There are no bays in the Dardanelles Strait. And the Gulf of Izmit is next to Constantinople. In November 1853, this squadron did not appear in the Bosporus and the Black Sea only because our fleet headed for Sinop. But if they had discovered the movement of our fleet towards the Bosphorus, the Anglo-French squadron would simply not have allowed our fleet to enter the Bosphorus.
  18. +1
    11 October 2023 00: 05
    Quote: gsev
    that was the problem for the combined Anglo-French fleet to break through the Bosphorus. Having lost even 20% of the fleet, the British would have blocked the Russian expeditionary force, which would have allowed the Turks to destroy it later.
    The Anglo-French squadron simply would not have let us near the Bosphorus. This Anglo-French squadron had been stuck in the Aegean Sea since the beginning of 1853. Or even from the end of 1852. And she followed our actions. As soon as it became known in November 1853 that our fleet was going to leave Sevastopol, the squadron immediately found itself in the Gulf of Izmit, in the Beshik-Kerfoz Bay. For some reason they write about this bay that it is in the Dardanelles Strait? There are no bays in the Dardanelles Strait. And the Gulf of Izmit is next to Constantinople. In November 1853, this squadron did not appear in the Bosporus and the Black Sea only because our fleet headed for Sinop. But if they had discovered the movement of our fleet towards the Bosphorus, the Anglo-French squadron would simply not have allowed our fleet to enter the Bosphorus.
  19. 0
    15 October 2023 13: 11
    What prevented you from opposing the Anglo-French landing at the exit from the Bosphorus?
    Okay, we missed the landing in the Black Sea. What prevented the landing? Instead, they sank the ships and began to defend Sevastopol.
    1. +1
      2 January 2024 19: 16
      what prevented us from resisting

      the presence of five steam battleships and more modern long-range guns.
      LAG.
  20. 0
    7 March 2024 20: 07
    After watching “Tactics of the Russian Sailing Fleet,” I can’t believe that the Republic of Ingushetia could have carried out such an amphibious operation when fleets from Europe were nearby. The Turks can be ignored altogether.
    The main thing is not to land troops, but to be able to supply them, otherwise the landing will be doomed, no matter what successes were at the beginning.
  21. 0
    23 March 2024 20: 39
    Now something similar. It seems to us that there are not enough Suvorovs