How they were treated in Russia

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How they were treated in Russia
Pavlovsk hospital. Architect Matvey Kazakov


From pagan Rus' to Ivan the Terrible


Since ancient times, people have been treated by wise men, sorcerers and their successors - healers and healers. They used traditional medicine based on medicinal plants and word magic (spells). Doctors passed on their knowledge from generation to generation. They registered in medical clinics (herbalists).



Bathhouse, hardening and hygiene played a special role in traditional Slavic treatment. Therefore, the Slavic-Russians, unlike the Europeans, where they forgot about hygiene during the “Dark Ages” and experienced healers and herbalists were sent to the stake, were a healthier people and more advanced in the art of healing.

After the adoption of Christianity, monasteries gradually became centers of medical knowledge, where the sick were cared for and the prototypes of modern hospitals appeared. Medicinal plants were grown in the monastery gardens, collected, and made infusions and decoctions. At the same time, traditional medicine was preserved. From Byzantium, where part of the ancient scientific heritage was preserved, this knowledge came to Rus'.

From about the XNUMXth century, noble and wealthy people in Russian cities began to use the services of foreign doctors, who flocked to Rus' in search of high earnings. In Western Europe during this period, the traditions of ancient science were revived. Medical faculties are appearing at universities. True, there were also plenty of charlatans in Europe. At the same time, medicine, concentrated in monasteries, is degrading in Rus'. Religion began to conflict with science, knowledge is replaced by prayer and humility.

True, the services of foreign doctors were used only by a limited circle of nobility, wealthy merchants. The people maintained the tradition. Doctors treated based on experience and proven herbs. The doctor and the pharmacist-pharmacist were one person (in Europe, the division into doctors and pharmacists had already occurred). The Venetian Marco Voscureno, who visited Moscow in 1557, wrote that the Russians

“There are no philosophical, astrological and medical books. Doctors treat based on experience and proven medicinal herbs.”


"Witch Doctor" Painting by G. Myasoedov

Pharmaceutical order


Under Ivan IV the Terrible, the Sovereign's Pharmacy was created, where medicines were prepared for the royal family. Under his successor Fyodor or Boris Godunov, the Pharmacy Order was created. It was headed by Semyon Nikitich Godunov, Boris’s second cousin—as people said, his “right ear.” Doctors of the Pharmacy Prikaz received an estate and, in terms of their position, were equated to okolnichy (court rank and position).

The order occupied a stone building opposite the Chudov Monastery. The head of the order was in charge of the palace and military medical services, personnel and pharmacy. Foreign doctors since the XNUMXth century. began to be invited not only to serve at court and to serve the nobility, but also as regimental doctors (in the army). Pharmacies were established in a number of cities; from their warehouses, transports with medicines arrived at the shelves. Interestingly, one of the main sources of financing for the Pharmacy Order was the procurement and sale of vodka, wine, beer and honey.

The Sovereign's Pharmacy and the New Pharmacy, opened in 1672 in Kitai-Gorod, had a monopoly on the trade in medicines. At first, most medications were prescribed from Europe and cost a lot of money at that time. Under Tsar Alexei Mikhailovich, a system for procuring medicinal herbs was established. Specially trained herbalists did this. There was even a state “berry duty”.

Since 1654, under the order, the Medicine School began operating, in which the children of archers, clerks and clergy studied for 5-7 years. One of the teachers of the school was the learned monk Epiphanius Slavinetsky, who arrived from the Kiev-Mohyla Academy. He translated into Russian the anatomical work of the founder of scientific anatomy, Andreas Vesalius, Epitome. The disciples took a kind of oath:

“...do no harm to anyone and do not drink or indulge in carousing and do not steal by any means...”

They studied the Latin language, anatomy, medicinal plants, read “doctor's tales” (as they called stories diseases) and practiced in regimental hospitals.


Hospital wards of the Trinity-Sergius Lavra (1630s)

First hospital


The first state medical institution appeared under Tsar Peter I - it was a military hospital (from the Latin hospitalis - “hospitable”, “welcoming”). On May 25 (June 5), 1706, a decree was issued

“demanding the construction of a hospital beyond the Yauza River against the German Settlement, in a decent place for the treatment of sick people... to keep the money from the collections of the Monastic Order.”

A year and a half after the decree was announced, a hospital with 300 beds was built. On November 21 (December 2), 1707, the sign “Military Hospital” appeared on its pediment. It was named the Moscow General Land Hospital. The founder of the hospital (and the first medical school in the Russian state) was Nikolai Bidloo, a Dutch doctor who was the Tsar’s personal physician. The hospital was not only a medical institution (“for the treatment of sick people”), but also an educational institution (“for pharmaceutical science”), for training doctors, mainly for the army and fleet.

Lefortovo Hospital remained one of the leading military medical institutions in Tsarist and Soviet Russia. During the Patriotic War of 1812, it admitted over 17 thousand wounded and sick, during the Russian-Japanese Won - 55 thousand, during the First World War - more than 370 thousand. During the Great Patriotic War, the hospital in Lefortovo specialized only in the most complex cases , and 74 thousand patients passed through it. The doctors literally worked miracles: 8 out of 10 seriously wounded returned to duty after treatment! Over two hundred years, almost 4 million people were treated in the hospital. In 1946, the hospital was named after Academician N. N. Burdenko. Nowadays it is the Main Military Clinical Hospital named after N. N. Burdenko.

In 1718-1720 The first hospitals were opened in St. Petersburg and Kronstadt. They also formed schools. Under Tsar Peter, the first private (“free”) pharmacies appeared.

In 1707, the Apothecary Office was established in St. Petersburg, initially operating in parallel with the Apothecary Order. In 1714-1716. the department was subordinated to the archiate (from Greek “chief physician”), the first royal physician. The first archbishop was the Scotsman Robert Areskin, who was at the same time appointed president of the Apothecary Chancellery and the Apothecary Order.

In 1721, the Pharmacy Order was transformed into the Medical Office, which supervised all hospitals, their schools, pharmacies, was in charge of all doctors, and took measures to combat infectious diseases.


Military hospital in Lefortovo, early XNUMXth century. Artist F. Alekseev

First public hospital


In 1762, Empress Catherine II and her heir Pavel Petrovich arrived in Moscow. Suddenly he became seriously ill, and the best doctors were called in for treatment. Everything worked out well, and in memory of the rescue of the Tsarevich, a decree was issued to open a hospital for the poor in Moscow. Therefore, the hospital began to be called Pavlovskaya. To preserve the memory of this event, a medal was minted with the image of the Tsarevich and the inscription:

“Freeing himself from illness, he thinks about the sick.”

The estate of the Prosecutor General of the Government Senate, General A. Glebov, who at that time fell into disgrace due to bribery, was chosen as the site for construction. The hospital was officially opened on September 14 (25), 1763.

The hospital was free and intended to treat the poor and disadvantaged; it was financed from the personal funds of Tsarevich Pavel Petrovich. After his death, the hospital came under the care of his wife, the Dowager Empress Maria Feodorovna, who generously financed the hospital. At first, the hospital had only 25 beds, but already in 1766 a large building and two outbuildings for employees were built. After the fire of 1784, the architect Kazakov in 1803 built a new stone building of the Pavlovsk hospital. In 1830, the architect D. Gilardi additionally built two stone outbuildings and two buildings for staff.

In 1904, by decree of Emperor Nicholas II, training courses for orderlies were organized at the hospital, which marked the beginning of teaching activities. To this day, Pavlovsk Hospital is the largest medical and scientific center in Russia.

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  1. +4
    26 September 2023 03: 10
    I remember from a past life:

    The artist Nikolai Zagorsky in his work “At the Zemstvo Hospital” also touches on the topic of medicine in villages. Almost completely excluding the building from the composition, the artist depicts the courtyard in front of the hospital, where tired patients wait on the steps for their turn. Among them are a woman with a baby, an old man leaning against the wall, a peasant woman with a fallen asleep girl on her lap. Apparently, heroes have been kept at the door for a long time: despite the large flow of visitors, the staff of medical workers in zemstvo hospitals rarely exceeded 3-4 people, and therefore could not provide prompt assistance to everyone.

    https://my.tretyakov.ru/app/masterpiece/47677
    1. +14
      26 September 2023 06: 09
      Quote: ROSS 42
      Despite the large flow of visitors, the staff of medical workers in zemstvo hospitals rarely exceeded 3–4 people, and therefore could not provide prompt assistance to everyone.

      More than a hundred years have passed and we are back to the same thing. To get to a doctor, you need to sign up in a queue using a number, but you may not get to see specialists at all!

      Due to the frankly poor free medical care, paid ones began to flourish. Commercial clinics are opening at every step, where those who are unwell are forced to go.
      1. +5
        26 September 2023 16: 04
        More than a hundred years have passed and we are back to the same thing. To get to a doctor, you need to sign up in a queue using a number, but you may not get to see specialists at all!

        Why are we, in Germany the waiting list for an appointment with a psychiatrist is 2 months! And if you're drinking... winked
        1. -2
          3 January 2024 14: 07
          Do you live in Germany? For me, a citizen of Russia should not give a damn about how they have it in the USA, Germany, Italy, etc., the citizen lives here in Russia and he is concerned, first of all, with how it is here! But as usual with “patriots”, when indicating any shortcoming in the country, they immediately automatically jump out: “But in Germany it’s even longer than ours...”, “But in the USA it’s even worse than ours...” A patriot should care problems of your country, and methods for solving them, and not turning a blind eye to problems, listening to soothing mantras that somewhere is even worse!... Try to manage your home like this when your wife says, “Dear husband Ivanov, the faucet in the bathroom is leaking, you need to do it!”, and in response he will hear “Oh, that’s okay, over there at the Johnson’s on the other side of the city, there’s so much gushing coming out of the pipe that wow, it’s not like ours!!!”
      2. +2
        26 September 2023 16: 13
        Due to the frankly poor free medical care, paid ones began to flourish. Commercial clinics are opening at every step, where those who are unwell are forced to go.

        In the reception department of the Central Military Clinical Hospital named after. A. Vishnevsky slogan on the wall:
        “Health care is not a service sector, but a branch of the national economy.” wink

        Therefore, here, as in any other industry, the principle applies:

        WORK
        1. Fast
        2. High quality
        3. Inexpensive

        Choose 2 options... laughing
      3. +5
        26 September 2023 16: 19
        I see this is a common problem. I was supposed to come visit, but they told me it would take time. However, for a fee, I could do it the next day with the same health service doctor who scratches his balls in the morning and gets a government salary, and gets another salary in the evening working privately. angry
        1. +4
          26 September 2023 16: 25
          I see this is a common problem. I was supposed to come visit, but they told me it would take time. However, for a fee, I could do it the next day with the same health service doctor who scratches his balls in the morning and gets a government salary, and gets another salary in the evening working privately. angry

          Why did you decide that he was scratching his balls in the morning? She also accepts patients. The temporary standards are the same.
          There are simply more people willing to receive treatment for free, so there is a queue. Yes
          1. +3
            26 September 2023 19: 03
            In my perhaps flawed way of thinking, if you are a doctor working in the NHS, you should not work in the private sector. I always have a suspicion that you extend the time and then refer patients to your private practice. This isn't the first time this has happened to me. An orthopedist from the hospital visited my daughter: in the monthly department, for a fee, the same evening in his office. hi
            1. 0
              26 September 2023 19: 52
              In my perhaps flawed way of thinking, if you are a doctor working in the NHS, you should not work in the private sector. I always have a suspicion that you extend the time and then refer patients to your private practice. This isn't the first time this has happened to me. An orthopedist from the hospital visited my daughter: in the monthly department, for a fee, the same evening in his office. hi

              So the choice is yours. You don't have to go to the paid one. Or change your orthopedist altogether.
              1. +3
                26 September 2023 20: 44
                If we were talking about mechanics, electrical or anything else, I would think the same way as you. When I need to make an appointment with an ophthalmologist or for routine checkups, I contact the health service, these are medical appointments that you can schedule. But if you have an emergency, you have to pay. But it's not a problem. In Italy, civil servants are prohibited from performing other jobs on pain of losing their jobs. Because this does not apply in cases where the civil servant is a doctor. hi
        2. +4
          26 September 2023 19: 29
          The colleague who marked the minus must be a doctor. laughing
  2. +4
    26 September 2023 03: 33
    For some reason I remembered the story of A.P. Chekhov about how a paramedic of a zemstvo hospital, in the absence of a doctor, pulled out a patient’s tooth...
    1. +11
      26 September 2023 04: 59
      Quote: Luminman
      For some reason I remembered the story of A.P. Chekhov about how a paramedic of a zemstvo hospital, in the absence of a doctor, pulled out a patient’s tooth...

      Without irony, even Peter I was noted as a dentist. The Kunstkamera has a collection of teeth from his patients. In the 90s, they even carried out an examination of this collection, the conclusions of which confirmed that the bulk of the presented specimens were subject to removal for medical reasons. About 5% were healthy, which is not bad considering the lack of X-rays and dental techniques.
      Good morning everyone!
      1. +5
        26 September 2023 06: 12
        Good morning Vladislav!

        Only the collection could well be selectively replenished.

        Clerk Akaki Plyushchikhin from Tobacco Captain will confirm.
      2. +4
        26 September 2023 06: 26
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        The Kunstkamera has a collection of his patients' teeth

        My wife, a dentist, came to look at these teeth with interest. So he says, there are just scraps there and you can’t see anything (whether the tooth was normal or diseased).
      3. +3
        26 September 2023 09: 50
        Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
        About 5% were healthy, which is not bad considering the lack of X-rays and dental techniques.

        Why pull out healthy teeth? They don't even hurt.
        1. +5
          26 September 2023 10: 00
          Pyotr Alekseevich just really really loved
          "inhumane experiments in dentistry"
          (phrase from the Soviet parody cartoon "Captain Pronin - the grandson of Major Pronin."

        2. +4
          26 September 2023 16: 06
          Quote: Katya_Ivanova
          Why pull out healthy teeth? They don't even hurt.

          By mistake. I knew someone who tore out the one next to him instead of the patient.
        3. +3
          26 September 2023 16: 08
          Quote: Katya_Ivanova
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          About 5% were healthy, which is not bad considering the lack of X-rays and dental techniques.

          Why pull out healthy teeth? They don't even hurt.

          Good day!
          His Royal Majesty was still an entertainer, but his surroundings suited him. Observant people close to Peter noticed that in a fit of anger, Peter Alekseevich could be calmed down with an unusual request to help someone suffering from toothache. Not surprisingly, they took advantage of this, so how many were injured accidentally, and who was responsible is another question. Sometimes high-born persons suffered for the “Fatherland”.
          There is even a historical anecdote when he caught one of the ladies lying about toothache and forced her into marriage.
          tongue
          1. +2
            26 September 2023 22: 03
            Yes, Peter was quite an entertainer. In the article under discussion it would be worth talking about such an idea. During the construction of St. Petersburg, Peter I took part in the foundation of the Admiralty Hospital in 1715 on the Vyborg side. Later, in 1717, the Land Hospital was founded next to it. Since 1773, they opened surgical training schools, which in 1786 were combined into the Main Medical School, which trained doctors for the Russian army and navy. The initiator of the birth of the academy was the chief director of the Medical College, Baron A.I. Vasiliev, who presented a special report to the emperor, in which he convincingly substantiated the need to create a Medical-Surgical School as a center for training qualified medical personnel. Soon the school was renamed the Medical-Surgical Academy, and in 1808 Alexander I gave it the right to be called the Imperial Academy.
            The official day of the establishment of the Military Medical Academy is December 18 (29), 1798, when Emperor Paul I signed a decree “on ... the establishment of a special building at the main hospitals for a medical school and educational theaters.”
  3. +7
    26 September 2023 04: 53
    Therefore, the hospital began to be called Pavlovskaya

    The author did not mention the chief doctor of the Pavlovsk hospital, a great humanist, who even ordered convicts to put soft cloth under their shackles. He is also the discoverer of chopped springs in the Caucasus
    1. +6
      26 September 2023 06: 12
      Quote: Dutchman Michel
      The author did not mention the chief physician of the Pavlovsk hospital

      There is a monument to him in Moscow:

      He discovered mineral springs in Pyatigorsk on Mount Mashuk and ferruginous waters on Mount Beshtau in Zheleznovodsk. And he always said: Hurry to do good
  4. +6
    26 September 2023 05: 02
    Since ancient times, people have been treated by wise men, sorcerers and their successors - healers and healers. They used traditional medicine based on medicinal plants and word magic (spells). Doctors passed on their knowledge from generation to generation. They registered in medical clinics (herbalists).

    First of all, treatment was done at home. Each housewife dried (prepared) medicinal plants and berries for the winter.
  5. +7
    26 September 2023 06: 08
    But what about zemstvo medicine in Russia, which arose immediately after the abolition of serfdom. In light of the healers and healers mentioned in the article, zemstvo medicine has precisely replaced healers and healers with doctors and paramedics in rural areas. But! If we talk about the most famous people involved in medicine in Tsarist Russia, then not forgetting about people like Pirogov, Sklifosovsky and Botkin, we must not forget about the hospital manager Strawberry from The Inspector General. If there were only a few such rogues and swindlers in the medicine of that time and in the healthcare of Russia at that time, then Gogol would not have shown us their collective image in The Government Inspector...
    1. +5
      26 September 2023 06: 16
      Quote: north 2
      about the hospital manager Strawberry from "The Inspector General"

      In my opinion, if you look, you can still find such Strawberries in any hospital...
      1. +5
        26 September 2023 07: 06
        Quote: Luminman
        Quote: north 2
        about the hospital manager Strawberry from "The Inspector General"

        In my opinion, if you look, you can still find such Strawberries in any hospital...

        His colleagues (only in other areas of life) can also be seen....
    2. -5
      26 September 2023 17: 53
      Quote: north 2
      . If there were only a few such rogues and swindlers in the medicine of that time and in the healthcare of Russia at that time, then Gogol would not have shown us their collective image in The Government Inspector...

      When else did Bandera’s supporters show anything good about Russia? They have been throwing mud at Russia all their lives. I wonder what medicine was like in his daycare back then? So, Gogol is not an argument!
      1. +4
        27 September 2023 11: 05
        Hmmm, this cannot be cured. How did you manage to attribute Gogol to the current Ukrainian culture? Little Russian and today's non-comrades, as they say, are two big differences.
        1. -3
          27 September 2023 11: 11
          Quote: Vinnibuh
          Little Russian and today's non-comrades, as they say, are two big differences.

          What's the difference? The current Ukrainians and Banderaites during the Second World War are precisely the descendants of those “Little Russians”. The apple tree grows not far from the apple. So, based on today’s Ukrainians, it is quite possible to judge their ancestors.
  6. +4
    26 September 2023 06: 54
    From earlier times:

    The doctor gives his advice and orders, but he himself is not skilled, but the doctor applies and treats with medicine, and he himself is not trained, and the pharmacist is a cook for both of them!
  7. +2
    26 September 2023 07: 54
    In another 10-20 years they will come to their senses and begin to revive medicine)))
    No, seriously, it’s being done, and a lot is being done... Those who worked in the SOVIET ambulance, I’m not talking about the ambulance of the 90s - so let’s say about the possibilities... But still this is not enough, the prestige of the profession has gone, and with it The employees just left. There are none. I'm crazy - at the RUDN University at the Faculty of Medicine, according to regional quotas, FOUR people are being trained in medicine this year, it seems that in the summer there was nothing to do. The rest of the regions don’t need doctors, no? Fucking awesome?
    1. +4
      26 September 2023 12: 14
      In another 10-20 years they will come to their senses and begin to revive medicine)))
      No, seriously, it’s being done, and a lot is being done... Those who worked in the SOVIET ambulance, I’m not talking about the ambulance of the 90s - so let’s say about the possibilities... But still this is not enough, the prestige of the profession has gone, and with it The employees just left. There are none. I'm crazy - at the RUDN University at the Faculty of Medicine, according to regional quotas, FOUR people are being trained in medicine this year, it seems that in the summer there was nothing to do. The rest of the regions don’t need doctors, no? Fucking awesome?

      Tons of medical schools. In the regional ones, according to quotas (more precisely, according to the target area), half.
      And RUDN University is also in Africa RUDN University. laughing There is still friendship between peoples, or rather former republics. They bring their own unique flavor to the educational process. wink
      That’s why many people prefer to study in their native Tver. Yes
    2. +5
      26 September 2023 12: 38
      Quote from Bingo
      In another 10-20 years they will come to their senses and begin to revive medicine)))

      No, they won’t come to their senses, because there is confidence that this is not a mistake, not stupidity, not a coincidence, but quite a line, there are too many doctors for expensive paid medicine, there are not so many solvent patients. We are moving confidently towards the beginning of the 20th century - 1 doctor per 500 sq. km., midwives and healers... and high-tech medicine will be available well if twenty percent...
      Quote from Bingo
      the prestige of the profession is gone

      We worked hard for this...
      Quote from Bingo
      is being done, and a lot is being done...

      Especially in an ambulance...
      1. 0
        26 September 2023 23: 33
        Quote: Doccor18
        Especially in an ambulance...

        I’m from the seventh substation myself, but I still know some friends - well))) Yes. I’m aware, and I can say no less than you
  8. +4
    26 September 2023 08: 46
    Treatment in those days had two options: psychotherapy or causing harm to health with a smart look - like bloodletting or barbaric amputation. And the Russian word “doctor” comes from the word “to lie” - not to lie, but to conjure up an illness. And the doctor in those days was not a tortured local doctor, 80% of whose time is spent on paperwork that is unnecessary for either her or the patient, but a respectable gentleman who arrives in a personal carriage in expensive clothes with gold rings with precious stones and necklaces and does not say, but he speaks important things. And the more important he speaks and the more money he charges for treatment, the better the result. Or, as an option, a saint who “chastises”, or, on the contrary, a magician or witch who heals by appealing to demons or common devils. They treated death calmly, because everything is in God’s hands, God can save you from death, and the doctor can only alleviate suffering (and more often, on the contrary, force you to suffer additionally - now, by the way, it’s the same thing, they won’t let you die in peace, they’ll torment you with injections , IVs and other painful procedures). When the patient was very bad, they called not a resuscitator, but a priest - and the patient, if he was still conscious, having received communion, began to mentally repent of his sins and prepare for a meeting with the Apostle Peter. The belief that someone other than God can deliver from death is heresy from the point of view of orthodox Christianity. Modern medicine is under the control of pharmaceutical companies and 90% of new drugs are created not because they are needed, but because all sorts of Pfizer, Bayer, Novartis and others want more money. Cheap medications are “killed” - like the very good and safe adelfan, very loved by all hypertensive patients. Moreover, they came up with standards for the provision of medical care that lead to overspending (of which there are already not enough) and which led to wild situations. For example, banal pneumonia or gastritis, they were quickly cured, everyone was happy, but they did not take some kind of analysis that was not necessary in this case and did not do an unnecessary expensive study. And scammers from insurance companies fine the hospital - it is unclear for what or why, and put budget money in their pockets. At the same time, standards are constantly changing, and what was considered necessary 5 years ago is often considered harmful today. The clearest example is mechanical ventilation during Covid, which killed many people, literally destroying their lungs. But at the same time, doctors who did not prescribe mechanical ventilation and may have saved a person’s life or did not make him disabled were harassed and fined.
    1. +3
      26 September 2023 15: 39
      The clearest example is mechanical ventilation during Covid, which killed many people, literally destroying their lungs. But at the same time, doctors who did not prescribe mechanical ventilation and may have saved a person’s life or did not make him disabled were harassed and fined.

      So if it’s already turning blue and dying, where to go?! We need to try mechanical ventilation, it still sucks.
      And by the way, it’s doubtful how a ventilator can destroy the lungs... winked
      1. 0
        26 September 2023 17: 17
        Artificial ventilation of the lungs is a mechanical, incorrect and non-physiological breathing, the alveoli and small bronchi are injured and torn. If it’s an hour or two, well, three, the body can cope and restore the damage, if it’s a day or more, the lungs are covered. And they demanded that everyone be put on a ventilator.
        The same is true for Western vaccines against Covid-19: the companies “got big, in Britain they even vaccinated children for whom Covid is not dangerous. And now it turns out that there is more harm than good, full of complications, and in British schools they hang defibrillators in classrooms - since myocarditis in children has started.
        1. +1
          26 September 2023 18: 49
          Artificial ventilation of the lungs is a mechanical, incorrect and non-physiological breathing, the alveoli and small bronchi are injured and torn. If it’s an hour or two, well, three, the body can cope and restore the damage, if it’s a day or more, the lungs are covered. And they demanded that everyone be put on a ventilator.
          The same is true for Western vaccines against Covid-19: the companies “got big, in Britain they even vaccinated children for whom Covid is not dangerous. And now it turns out that there is more harm than good, full of complications, and in British schools they hang defibrillators in classrooms - since myocarditis in children has started.

          I don’t know, I don’t know... But what about Kostomarov? They write 10 days on ventilation. And Schumacher has been like this for several months. winked

          I was in the Covid-XNUMX hospital; only a few were sent to ventilators. When you're already really bad. And then they survived!

          Regarding vaccinations, I agree with you, they went too far here. Although, children are vaccinated with other vaccinations and even newborns. wink
          1. 0
            26 September 2023 21: 45
            Quote: Arzt
            What about Kostomarov? They write 10 days on ventilation. And Schumacher has been like this for several months

            A lot depends on the quality of the equipment and the professionalism of the medical staff.
  9. +4
    26 September 2023 09: 17
    Why did Emperor Alexander 2, after the explosion in 1881, go not to the hospital, but to the palace - to die? Why didn’t Empress Sisi of Austria-Hungary, already in 1998 and in Switzerland, after an attack, call an ambulance because of a trivial wound to the heart? And why did Grand Duchess Alexandra Georgievna give her soul to God in 1891 at the dacha, and not in the maternity hospital. What miracles! Probably in those days medicine was the same for both rich and poor, and everyone was treated with mercury. Then what are hospitals for? in those days it was a waste of money. So Lenin was treated by the best specialists of his time, but he still died at 53 years old.
    1. +1
      26 September 2023 14: 40
      That they could have treated the same thing... And it was necessary to fight the darkness of Egypt. And today there are many deaths from strokes under 53 years of age. Cause of death VI - Atherosclerosis of cerebral vessels with calcification, hemorrhagic stroke against the background of previous ischemic strokes and transient cerebrovascular accidents. And as I understand, even today, free medicine will not be able to properly prevent such a diagnosis for ordinary citizens; there are medicines, but they are very expensive
    2. -1
      26 September 2023 15: 41
      So Lenin was treated by the best specialists of his time, but he still died at 53 years old.

      This is far from a fact... wink
  10. +7
    26 September 2023 09: 57
    It turns out that even such an interesting topic as the history of medicine in Russia can be spoiled if the “super-ethnosist” Samsonov takes on it.
    It is easy to see how poor the article is in terms of information by reading at least such a book.



    That is, it is simply unrealistic to fit the issue of the history of medicine into one short article. Yes, the story is not in the article. A certain set of facts mixed with traditional “urban legends” about the lack of hygiene in Europe.
    But the author has had doctors in Rus' since the XNUMXth century, and the author has never heard of Russian zemstvo medicine, the achievements of which.
    1. +2
      26 September 2023 10: 29
      Quote: Dekabrist
      But the author has had doctors in Rus' since the XNUMXth century, and the author has never heard of Russian zemstvo medicine, the achievements of which.
      I found dentistry back in the USSR, in 1989. It was a branch of the Gestapo. Just a torture chamber. I understand why so many people had terrible teeth back then. It's scary to even imagine what happened before.
      1. +4
        26 September 2023 10: 39
        And in the USA and Western Europe, dentistry is now so expensive and, as a rule, not included in standard insurance, that many elderly people there are simply toothless - they tear their teeth for free. The first thing our emigrants do when they arrive in Russia is run to the dentist.
        1. +1
          26 September 2023 10: 59
          Quote: vet
          And in the USA and Western Europe dentistry is now so expensive

          I know that in the US Army healthcare is completely free, including dentistry...

          Quote: Katya_Ivanova
          It was a branch of the Gestapo. Just a torture chamber

          Worthy heirs of medieval executioners and Jesuits... wink
          1. +2
            26 September 2023 16: 00
            I know that in the US Army healthcare is completely free, including dentistry...

            So in our army it’s also free!

            Something like this joke:

            Two rear generals, American and ours:
            - The daily ration of a Soviet soldier is 2000 kcal.
            - And the daily ration of an American soldier is 4000 kcal.
            - Don’t make a mistake, you US mug, a soldier can’t eat 4 bags of rutabaga in a day!
            laughing
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          26 September 2023 20: 03
          And in the USA and Western Europe, dentistry is now so expensive and, as a rule, not included in standard insurance, that many elderly people there are simply toothless - they tear their teeth for free. The first thing our emigrants do when they arrive in Russia is run to the dentist.

          Not only in dentistry anymore. Comprehensive examination. Minimally invasive operations. Abortion, of course. All here. Yes
          Where in the states can you get a gastroscopy under general anesthesia for $120? laughing
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        26 September 2023 12: 27
        I found dentistry back in the USSR, in 1989. It was a branch of the Gestapo. Just a torture chamber. I understand why so many people had terrible teeth back then. It's scary to even imagine what happened before.

        But, but, stop talking about the best Soviet medicine in the world!
        Otherwise, the doctors will cut out your appendix under “Russian anesthesia.”
        This is a local infiltration of novocaine, if anything... wink
        1. +4
          26 September 2023 13: 43
          Otherwise, the doctors will cut out your appendix under “Russian anesthesia.”
          This is a local infiltration of novocaine, if anything...

          You should not so clearly demonstrate your ignorance in this matter.
          Firstly, appendectomy under local anesthesia is American - 1921, surgeon Evan O'Neill Kane. Since there were no people willing to be a “guinea pig,” the doctor removed his own appendix.
          Secondly, all over the world today appendectomy under local anesthesia is considered safe and effective. Recommended where modern anesthesia equipment or trained anesthesiologists are not available (for example, in rural areas).
          During my three-month stay in the hospital, soldiers had their appendixes removed regularly. Under local anesthesia. I still remember the name of the surgeon - Captain Babare. Moldavian. Worked miracles. I assembled my leg from six parts. And there were no complications.
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            26 September 2023 15: 25
            You should not so clearly demonstrate your ignorance in this matter.
            Firstly, appendectomy under local anesthesia is American - 1921, surgeon Evan O'Neill Kane. Since there were no people willing to be a “guinea pig,” the doctor removed his own appendix.
            Secondly, all over the world today appendectomy under local anesthesia is considered safe and effective. Recommended where modern anesthesia equipment or trained anesthesiologists are not available (for example, in rural areas).
            During my three-month stay in the hospital, soldiers had their appendixes removed regularly. Under local anesthesia. I still remember the name of the surgeon - Captain Babare. Moldavian. Worked miracles. I assembled my leg from six parts. And there were no complications.

            Americans again!? And Vishnevsky? And his method of tight creeping infiltration? Haven’t they invented anything of their own?! wassat

            What a leg, they say they even cut off the stomach under Vishnevsky’s anesthesia! good
            1. +2
              26 September 2023 16: 56
              Americans again!? And Vishnevsky? And his method of tight creeping infiltration? Haven’t they invented anything of their own?!

              No one denies the authorship of Vishnevsky. But the very first mention of his method was in 1925.
              1. +1
                26 September 2023 17: 13
                No one denies the authorship of Vishnevsky. But the very first mention of his method was in 1925.

                And I'm talking about this! Just now I found it on the Internet:
                https://www.mediasphera.ru/issues/khirurgiya-zhurnal-im-n-i-pirogova/2014/12/030023-120720141219

                And there in the article there is just such a subtitle “Russian” method of anesthesia. And not just appendicitis, but anything!
                That's it. wink
      4. -1
        26 September 2023 14: 11
        Quote: Katya_Ivanova
        I found dentistry back in the USSR, in 1989. It was a branch of the Gestapo. Just a torture chamber. I understand why so many people had terrible teeth back then. It's scary to even imagine what happened before.


        Does it come from USSR legislation or from Russian traditions?
        The level of medicine is determined not by the Gestapo, but by the share of the state budget spent on medicine. And as I mentioned, our traditions are wonderful! .

        In the USSR, the budget was much larger than now and the percentage of deductions was higher.... But the traditions turned out to be stronger.

        Some people approve of the fact that the USSR itself was stolen, but the fact that medical materials in the USSR were first stolen is blamed on Marx or Lenin... Original “thinking”, as Gorby used to say!!

        And with your witticisms, go through the forest.... Not funny.

        I didn’t like the domestic fillings in the USSR and I went to a private clinic..... If anyone had a prevailing desire to follow the path of suffering “for the sake of ideological principles,” I always felt sincerely sorry for these cretins laughing
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          26 September 2023 15: 42
          The level of medicine is not determined by the Gestapo

          Well, it depends where and when. wink
      5. +4
        26 September 2023 19: 29
        Quote: Katya_Ivanova
        It was a branch of the Gestapo. Just a torture chamber. I understand why so many people had terrible teeth back then.

        Oops! And I’ve had a filling since 1980. Eh? You, my dear, wouldn’t measure everyone with the same brush, would you? And one more thing. To call Gogol a Banderaite? This is, of course, very, very strong. laughing
        Sit down, Katya Ivanova. To my regret... just: *2*.
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          27 September 2023 11: 15
          Quote: ArchiPhil
          And I have had a filling since 1980

          Who's arguing? Did I say anything about fillings? I talked about anesthesia... and sadism.
          1. +2
            27 September 2023 13: 52
            Quote: Katya_Ivanova
            Who's arguing? Did I say anything about fillings? I talked about anesthesia... and sadism.

            You wrote about the general state of dentistry in the USSR at that time. Please re-read your comment. bully
            1. +1
              27 September 2023 14: 12
              Quote: ArchiPhil
              You wrote about the general state of dentistry in the USSR at that time. Re-read your comment, or

              The general state of dentistry at that time was wonderful! Teeth were drilled alive! Therefore, many simply refused this execution and preferred to live without teeth at all.
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                27 September 2023 14: 26
                Quote: Katya_Ivanova
                Teeth were drilled alive!

                It was. Unfortunately it was. Soviet dentistry followed its own, special path.
                Quote: Katya_Ivanova
                Therefore, many simply refused this execution and preferred to live without teeth at all.

                But now it’s not the dental chair that’s scary, but the prices. For the services. And no one can guarantee that you’ll find a decent doctor. A return to the phenomenon that in the Soviet past was called *blat*. bully
                1. +1
                  27 September 2023 23: 03
                  Quote: ArchiPhil
                  But now it’s not the dental chair that’s scary, it’s the prices
                  Isn’t it possible to treat teeth for free under the compulsory medical insurance policy?
  11. +1
    26 September 2023 12: 00
    What has always surprised me about “prehistoric Russia” is the time from the “construction decree” to the completion date. A year and a half, and you’ll get it turnkey. And this is with all the adjustments, orders, estimates, projects, approvals. And after all, all the drawings and calculations are on paper, with a pen and a pencil. And the construction work itself is, at best, blocks and winches as cranes. The rest is all done by hand, without your concrete mixers, hammer drills, grinders, etc. And the delivery of building materials, loading/unloading - horses and carts, and not powerful modern construction equipment. And they built not a barn, but multi-story buildings, and beautiful ones, with quite rich decoration. Which then stand for centuries without collapsing. How, Karl?!.. What's the secret? Maybe we just need to send embezzlers “out of disgrace”, and further away, to Siberia, to hard labor?
    1. 0
      26 September 2023 15: 50
      not a barn, but multi-story buildings, and beautiful ones, with quite rich decoration. Which then stand for centuries without collapsing. How, Karl?!.. What's the secret?

      Time. There is a secret in it. A = N x t. Either power or time.
      It took 40 years to build.

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        26 September 2023 18: 20
        And the Lefortovo hospital was built in a year and a half, and has been standing for more than 300 years. And what? What does “power or time” have to do with it?
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          26 September 2023 19: 22
          At first, the hospital consisted of one Dutch-type stone building with the house church of the Resurrection of Christ and thirty wooden buildings on the banks of the Yauza. They included an anatomical theater, an alchemist's chamber, a pharmacy, rooms for students, a student's room, and rooms for the sick. By the end of the 1750s. the architect D. Ukhtomsky rebuilt and expanded the complex, and a two-story stone church building was built under him. Under Catherine II, the hospital fell into disrepair. At the end of 1763, a fire destroyed the right half of the main building and the church. The medical buildings were so destroyed that in 1764 they wanted to dismantle them and build a military hospital in another place. The hospital staff defended the site and supported the buildings with their own efforts. Under Paul I, the project of new stone buildings, created by the Moscow architect I. Egotov, was approved. In 1797–1802 The main building of the hospital was erected, which has preserved its appearance to this day.

          So, about 300 years - shorten the sturgeon, nothing remains of those buildings in less than 100 years. But building several dozen wooden barracks in a year and a half is not so difficult. We’ll shorten it to two hundred years, which, of course, also evokes respect. But the main building, it turns out, was built in five years, not one and a half. You shouldn't be so free with facts.
          Quotes taken from here:
          https://um.mos.ru/houses/lefortovskiy_gospital_gospital_im_burdenko/
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          26 September 2023 19: 28
          And the Lefortovo hospital was built in a year and a half, and has been standing for more than 300 years. And what? What does “power or time” have to do with it?

          Because in a year and a half, under Peter, only horns and legs remained. It was made of wood.

          The main building, which has survived, was built already under Paul.
          In 3 years. One building.
          And then they developed, completed, rebuilt...

          Work equals power times time. Either weak slaves build a pyramid for 35 years or powerful cranes of the Crimean Bridge for 3,5 years. wink
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        26 September 2023 21: 55
        Let me note that unique architectural structures are not indicative. For example, the Sagrada Familia is a Catholic church in Barcelona, ​​in the Eixample district, which has been under construction since 1882 and has not yet been completed.
        Yes, Isaac was “cut out” for 40 years. So? This period included design, examination and recalculation. Development of a number of new technical solutions (pile field and foundation slab on soft soils with such a huge load, a set of problems in the manufacture and installation of monolithic columns, unique floors and domes, etc.). And uneven funding. The work was frozen several times.
  12. +3
    26 September 2023 12: 37
    Okay, medicine, the level is now unfortunately falling, we have entire branches that already rely on prayers and humility
    1. +3
      26 September 2023 19: 30
      A few weeks ago in Lenta.ru there was a story about how, on a military helicopter allocated by the Kozelsky division of the Strategic Missile Forces, two priests with 20 5-liter canisters of holy water flew around the entire Kozelsky district along the perimeter, and carefully sprinkled the borders of the region. You have to think so that UAVs don’t fly in. So our air defense now relies on higher powers. Staples...
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      26 September 2023 19: 32
      Quote from turembo
      already rely on prayers and humility

      A little earlier, only Chumak and Kashpirovsky were trusted. laughing
      The level of medicine? I am inclined to think that being a doctor is still a calling.
      1. +3
        26 September 2023 19: 44
        The level of medicine? I am inclined to think that being a doctor is still a calling.

        The main thing here is not to confuse professionalism and attitude towards the patient. A super surgeon-operator can be a bribe-taker and a boor. And vice versa… laughing
        1. +3
          26 September 2023 20: 06
          Quote: Arzt
          A super surgeon-operator can be a bribe-taker and a boor. And vice versa…

          I don’t argue. Two examples from an ordinary Moscow clinic. I got sick. I got sick. I caught a cold. What should I do? I’m going to see a general practitioner. The appointment took about ten minutes. Of these, eight *the doctor* was on the computer. If we add to this an extremely poor command of the Russian language then? Well, you understand. Second example. Age. Vision is weakening. I need glasses. I’m going to see an ophthalmologist in the same *native* clinic. She’s a young girl, but the impressions are the best! And glasses, and measuring eye pressure, and just a benevolent attitude towards to the client. hi
  13. 0
    21 December 2023 11: 17
    Before the invention of antibiotics, there was no treatment; in fact, people with good health survived from childhood, and then it depends on your luck.