The Value of Money: Comparison of the Purchasing Power of Soviet and Modern Russian Rubles

Today, one of the topics that worries Russians is the depreciation of the national currency. After all, this trend directly affects the growth of inflation and, as a result, an increase in prices in stores. Few people today have not paid attention to the fact that the purchasing power of the ruble has dropped quite seriously even compared to the previous year.

However, the Central Bank of the Russian Federation and the government are already taking measures to stabilize the exchange rate of the national currency. Therefore, it is likely that in the foreseeable future the fall of the ruble will stop and the inflation rate will return to the acceptable corridor.

At the same time, some of our compatriots recall the times of the USSR, saying that then one ruble could buy more than 100 now. And it’s hard to disagree.

The author of the Pravda Zhizni channel, Sergei Shumakov, conducted an interesting study that clearly characterizes how much the purchasing power of the Soviet ruble in different years was higher than that of the modern Russian ruble.

In particular, if we compare the prices of goods that could be bought in the USSR for one ruble in 1980 with modern ones, it turns out that one Soviet ruble had a purchasing power of 424 Russian rubles as of August of this year.

But this is not the limit. So, if we compare the modern ruble as of August of this year with the Soviet currency of 1975, it turns out that then 1 ruble could buy as many goods as 566 rubles today. At the same time, in 1970 this ratio was 1/612, and in 1961 - 1/775.

In turn, the author of the study notes that the modern ruble was not always so weak compared to the Soviet one. For example, in 1990, the purchasing power of the Soviet currency corresponded to that of 154 modern rubles.

To be fair, it is worth adding to the above-mentioned study data on the size of average wages in the USSR and the Russian Federation. For example, in the Soviet Union, this figure in Moscow in 1980 was 155 rubles. Therefore, based on the purchasing power of money given above, the average salary in Russia today should be 65 rubles. According to official data, the average salary in the capital today reaches 720 rubles, which is significantly higher than the average for the country as a whole.

Comments

[Ulan.1812]

The governor of the Moscow region said that in Moscow. region average salary 70 thousand
We laughed bitterly.

[Silver99]

and what is there to compare, the main measure in the USSR is how much bread I could buy with my salary and how much now, the USSR produced not only galoshes, and fundamental science developed, what can we say today we still use the developments of early times. I see a way out in introducing the gold ruble into circulation, liquidating the dollar in the near future is not realistic, it is realistic to develop your economy and really fight against thieves and nouveau riche, otherwise Chubchik was released and now we are complaining why he stayed there, but he was not the only one who stole the money, but Russia's entire liberal economic policy was based on his worldview.

[carpenter]

Quote from Silver99

and what is there to compare, the main measure in the USSR is how much bread I could buy with my salary and how much now,

Bus 5 kopecks, bottle of vodka 2 rubles. 87 kopecks a quarter for a two-room apartment is 8 rubles. The fine for a sobering-up station is 25 rubles.

[Dima68]

TV - 750 rubles, car - from 8 to 000 rubles.

[Witsapiens]

Purchasing power in the USSR was less than it is now. I'm sorry that you still have the same one. At the same time, you could not buy such things as baby diapers, for example, in the USSR. Well, the Soviet industry did not master such high-tech things.

In general, she has mastered little. Almost all more or less complex (and simple too) products were either copies of Western ones or were absent altogether. The same air conditioners and automatic washing machines, which were already available in homeopathic quantities, were licensed copies of Hitachi and Indesit models, respectively.

[carpenter]

Quote from Witsapiens

At the same time, you could not buy such things as baby diapers, for example, in the USSR.

While my wife was in the maternity hospital, I bought bikes, sewed a dozen diapers, what kind of diapers were there, when I trimmed the diapers with lace - beauty.

[mmaxx]

Yes, ushhh. Ten diapers... This is for one and a half to two days. And then stand over the bathtub and do the laundry. It would be something to brag about. I could sew at least 20 for my beloved wife. Everything is at least bigger.

[mmaxx]

But the woman has no reason to rest! Ten diapers and let her be glad that she lives under Soviet power! Look! 20 diapers - this already smells of capitalism. Domestic decomposition.

[aybolyt678]

Quote from Witsapiens

The same air conditioners and automatic washing machines, which were already available in homeopathic quantities, were licensed copies of Hitachi and Indesit models, respectively.

We were the second economy in the world, and everything we produced was ours. There were 6 billion people in the world, there were 270 million of us. How did you want to overtake the whole world? The Japanese had Hitachi but did not have Space at all. There were no luxury goods at all in the USSR. If it hadn’t collapsed in 1990, by 1995 we would now be cooler than China.

[AB]

Soviet industry has not lived peacefully for 70 years. Eternal construction either from almost scratch, or after the war. When is it time to learn something? Only the second half of this period was more or less calm, so they began to build at least something. And first of all housing.
The American one lived in relative peace for a couple of centuries. She also profited wildly from two wars.
So think about it. You don’t have to think about diapers when there is no more or less decent housing for everyone.

[knn54]

During the USSR, the ruble was intended for MUTUAL SETTLEMENT between people and the state. Taking into account the improvement in the life of the population. Tariffs for utilities, products did not change for almost a quarter of a century. Only luxury items became more expensive - cars, furs, jewelry, alcohol, especially vodka..
At the same time, the ruble was worth almost a gram of gold, but today?
IN CAPITALIST Russia, the purpose of the ruble is TO RECEIVE PROFIT..
You can say ONE dollar should cost no more than 35 rubles.

[Silver99]

You did not mention that the standard of living in the USSR was maintained through the redistribution of income from minerals and hydrocarbons to the entire people, hence free housing, education and medicine.

[Witsapiens]

Getting “free” housing is a huge problem. Firstly, the wait is very long, on average 10 years; secondly, they don’t give us what we would like.

Now, by the way, there is almost twice as much housing per person as in the USSR: 26 m2 now versus the Soviet 14 m2. Oh, this terrible capitalism, yeah.

[tihonmarine]

Quote from Witsapiens

Firstly, the wait is very long, on average 10 years; secondly, they don’t give us what we would like.

3-room cooperative apartment 4000 rubles down payment, 8500 full cost, waiting period about a year.

[Sergey Valov]

Joining a cooperative was quite difficult. People were not taken from the street; cooperatives were mainly located in large enterprises. To join the cooperative, the living space per person had to be less than (I don’t remember exactly) 15 square meters. Second, with an average salary of 150 rubles. How many years does it take to save 4000? And you need to eat every day. But there were no loans. The queue, if you are lucky enough to join, can last as long as you like - maybe a year, maybe five, maybe ten. This period depended on many factors.

[linux28]

About eight annual salaries for a young doctor, that’s it.

[mmaxx]

For Soviet life - cosmic money. It is not for nothing that those who joined the housing cooperative were looked at very askance. Yes, and you had to pay for everything there yourself. About the same as now.

[Vincent price]

Sir, I suggest you not stop and start comparing the number of square meters in modern and tsarist Russia. Also compare the number of square meters today and during the time of Boris Godunov. By the way, under Godunov there was a problem with automatic machines. And in 40 years we will compare with you the number of meters now and in 2063. We will also compare with you brain implants and the speed of quantum data transfer. Do you realize what I'm getting at?

[2 Level Advisor]

Quote from Witsapiens

Now, by the way, there is almost twice as much housing per person as in the USSR: 26 m2 now versus the Soviet 14 m2. Oh, this terrible capitalism, yeah.

What nonsense, my friend? I should at least study the question before writing.. Soviet 14m2 wires! area - if it’s about a one-room apartment, not a common one... but now it’s 26 sq.m. a common Do you feel the difference in area? that is, about the same amount, even less, since there were no one-room apartments of 26 square meters in the USSR....

[mmaxx]

Yes, okay, talk about it! Housing was built even in the 90s. And the people became 140 million. Arithmetic. Someone bought all this housing. And he lives. So no matter how you count it, it has increased and seriously. But this again has nothing to do with the structure.

[Sofievka]

Maybe somewhere for a long time, my director immediately “is there a place to live? Take the Youth House, choose, there are five of them, all new” the place is just brilliant, before that they offered it at the greenhouse plant, though the Central Committee, three months of an apartment in the new 9 - and floor, after the collapse, privatized for 3000 USD. a 3-share cooperative in the city cost 10000 rubles. My uncle was the head of the flight canteen in Anderma, bought himself

[mmaxx]

Where how. Depends on the company. But 10 years on average. But some didn't have time. And our peers. And they stayed in small families.

[ammunition]

Quote from Silver99

hence free housing, education and medicine.

And not only !
It's not just a matter of the purchasing power of the ruble. In the USSR they were very generous
"public consumption funds". They accounted for 30-40% of consumption. And now we have to pay for everything.

[MBRSS]

Industrial goods in the USSR were quite expensive. But housing and communal services, all sorts of vouchers to sanatoriums/pioneer camps, a kindergarten, and a swimming pool cost symbolic money. Sports sections and equipment are generally free.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Industrial goods in the USSR were quite expensive. But housing and communal services, all sorts of vouchers to sanatoriums/pioneer camps, a kindergarten, and a swimming pool cost symbolic money. Sports sections and equipment are generally free.

Durable goods were relatively expensive, but also lasted longer than now. But in addition to what you mentioned, food was also relatively inexpensive, which often created a certain shortage of certain goods.
But this policy allowed citizens to save.

[mmaxx]

What?! Can you give examples? Which lasted longer? TVs? Audio equipment? Cars? Appliances? Well, maybe just refrigerators. And another clock. They still sell binoculars. But other? Yes, don't be ridiculous.
Otherwise, they would not be chasing ANY imports.

[carpenter]

Quote: mmaxx

But other? Yes, don't be ridiculous.

I was well-fed and had enough for a drink.

[linux28]

Drinking is easier now. I don’t even know if I should be so happy about this?..

[mmaxx]

For those who just needed a drink, there was always enough. We also need to remember how Sov. The authorities coddled drunks. A drug treatment department was installed near EVERY large enterprise. Drunkards were entitled to an additional 30 days off! days for alcoholism treatment. This is caring for the people! Only these people considered the communists to be thieves and swindlers, greedy bosses, although some received more. And they hated these communists from behind their backs.

[mmaxx]

And they were drinking like... half a workshop for 2 weeks just didn’t leave the factory. They just drank in the evening, slept at night, worked during the day. And if you leave, your wife will take your pay right away. Then everyone died in the 90s. No damn communists stopped me from drinking anymore.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

What?! Can you give examples? Which lasted longer? TVs? Audio equipment? Cars? Appliances?

Can you imagine? Breakdowns occurred, but maintainability was phenomenal. The first TV my parents bought in 1963 lasted 17 years, after which it was replaced by a color one. What can I say, only a couple of years ago I sent into honorable retirement the food processor I bought in 1988. And that’s because a more productive one was needed.
VAZ-21013 1986 sold in 2006 in fully working condition. At the same time, he did the maintenance and routine repairs himself, because it was a car for the family, and not a means of earning money for all sorts of service stations, spare parts manufacturers, and insurance agents.
There is no need to listen to tales about galoshes.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

VAZ-21013 1986 sold in 2006 in fully working condition.

The VAZ-2106 and Volga-24 of the early 80s worked until they fell apart without problems, but on the Volga it was running wild until 2000. The amenities aren't great, but you're driving, not walking.

[mmaxx]

The Soviet TV worked for a year. Then complete renovations. Anything else, no longer than the current one. It’s funny to even talk about all sorts of tape recorders. The owners of the Japanese were celestials. Cars....and who can tell you about the mileage? When was the Zhiguli engine overhauled? Yes, those cars never dreamed of the current runs.
And to endure a Soviet food processor.... This is how you should not love your wife. Why don't you have Soviet knives in the kitchen? They are eternal...

[mmaxx]

Only your experience. And the experience of others. Before buying Funai in the 90s, we replaced 3 TVs. 2 b&w and color Rainbow. We worked for a year. Then they just fell out. Once in my life a master came to my house. And so, only the workshop. Two per city. The weight of the telly is 20-25 kg. There is no car. Only public transport. Considering how crowded it was, getting it to repairs was a real puzzle. Well, then, before buying a color one (it was already a conductor), I found a channel for buying lamps at a flea market. And I changed them myself. It lasted like this for 5-6 years. Moreover, no matter who I spoke to, everyone confirmed it. A year and that's it.
My grandparents had a b&w Horizon. Not bad in terms of reliability. I won't say anything bad. But they only watched it on the news in the evening. Maybe a movie sometimes. Or when I was hanging out with them. But then the lamps burned out too.

[Gardamir]

Now the whole country lives on imports or we are all Chinese.

[Vincent price]

So now they are chasing imports, only specific brands have become imports. I don’t want an Atlant refrigerator, I want an AEG, I don’t want a Xiaomi, I want an iPhone, etc. Only now there are no domestic alternatives at all.

[Witsapiens]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

Industrial goods in the USSR were quite expensive. But housing and communal services, all sorts of vouchers to sanatoriums/pioneer camps, a kindergarten, and a swimming pool cost symbolic money. Sports sections and equipment are generally free.

Durable goods were relatively expensive, but also lasted longer than now. But in addition to what you mentioned, food was also relatively inexpensive, which often created a certain shortage of certain goods.
But this policy allowed citizens to save.

Firstly, regarding the duration of service, this is simply not true.

Secondly, oh, the vile fairy tales began: “people had a lot of money, that’s why there was a shortage.” You should be ashamed of yourself for such a pathetic lie. Consumption of fruits and berries in the USSR was generally half what it is now. 2 TIMES LESS.

[Vincent price]

Currently, consumption data is based on retail data. And then on what? Each district had a special farm and gardens. Of course, they ate less, and they also ate less palm trees. And we also ate less rubber tomatoes, which can be used to play rounders.

[2 Level Advisor]

You're being disingenuous again, my friend! fruits 1986 42 kg, now 60 kg consumption .. but unexpectedly: In the world, the highest consumption of fruits per capita in 1990 was in Rwanda - 365 kg. so, what is next?

[Sofievka]

I don’t see a good apple on sale, even living in Crimea, no, they are there, but it’s more and more grass, grass, no color, no taste, how many fruits did they eat, and who counted them? The girls ate constantly, I was in the mood, but half a ton was easy, yes, there was a foreman in the garden, we all had apples, grapes were also not a problem, no one canceled classmates. Severa agrees, but the cherries we picked in the morning were in Murmansk in the evening

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Firstly, regarding the duration of service, this is simply not true.

How can you prove it, will you swear on your mother?

Secondly, oh, the vile fairy tales began: “people had a lot of money, that’s why there was a shortage.” You should be ashamed of yourself for such a pathetic lie. Consumption of fruits and berries in the USSR was generally half what it is now. 2 TIMES LESS.

Yet again? Where do the firewood come from? Now they are just cutting down and building up the gardens that were in the USSR.

[mmaxx]

Again the question is: who ate everything? Gardens, farms... meat and milk yield... I'm suffering. Because there was simply nothing in the regional Siberian city. I didn’t get to live in Ukraine, Crimea, Tashkent and Rostov. And I can’t understand why until I was more than 20 years old I was the third class of people. Milk once a day to one grocery store in the area and by 18.00 there is almost nothing left. A! The transport was simply disgusting. And those who were at work simply did not have time for these leftovers.

[mmaxx]

Yes, almost everything was junk. And it didn't last long. I'll confirm it. Refrigerators lasted a long time. It's true. But comparing our refrigerators and, for example, Finnish ones... It's funny. Dishes. What will she do?

[Arkadich]

Industrial goods in the USSR were quite expensive. But housing and communal services, all sorts of vouchers to sanatoriums/pioneer camps, a kindergarten, and a swimming pool cost symbolic money. Sports sections and equipment are generally free.

I agree, I’ll just add that during the USSR it was still a problem to buy a particularly good thing. There were queues (for years), raffles, and purchase vouchers were given out to frontline workers.

[carpenter]

Quote: Arkadich

There were queues (for years), raffles, and purchase vouchers were given out to frontline workers.

Give it to the seller, you will receive everything without a queue and without a ticket.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: carpenter

Give it to the seller, you will receive everything without a queue and without a ticket.

Dima, it all happened in Estonia, but in the Russian Federation there were always problems.

[mmaxx]

Isn't this corruption?
Although this was almost the only way I managed to buy a furniture wall. We needed furniture for a new apartment. We paid 25 rubles to a friend who lived next to a furniture store. One big one in the city costs 600 thousand. She checked in every day in the morning for six months in line. It was possible to check in only in the morning. All. No options. So she made several people happy. The wall, by the way, cost more than 900 rubles. The most common. Chipboard under paper. No polishing. Not to mention the fact that it was put together crookedly. The equivalent today for this money is an oak solid wood of similar volume. It’s scary to remember how much Romanian or Yugoslav furniture cost.

[Sergey Valov]

Even Ostap Bender respected the criminal code.

[linux28]

Not all sections and equipment were free. And not everywhere. But overall, yes, it was much easier.

[MBRSS]

inux28 I remember there was an opportunity to learn (absolutely for free!!!) how to pilot a plane/helicopter decently. All that was required was not to have C grades in university and to jump with a parachute. Well, and attend theoretical and practical classes on the ground for about six months. I was fired up with this desire, but did not dare to jump with a parachute :(
Now you don’t have to jump with a parachute, but take out and put in 400 thousand rubles just for the initial training course. This is a “box” flight with an instructor and obtaining a pilot’s certificate. I'm talking about training to pilot a Robinson helicopter.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: MBRBS

Now you don’t have to jump with a parachute, but take out and put in 400 thousand rubles just for the initial training course.

During the USSR, I did it for free at the flying club, with 80 hours of flight time.

[linux28]

I even know such people. But as a child, I also practiced in a paid judo section, and when I joined the club’s team, my parents paid for the kimono. So not everything was free.

[Sofievka]

Sports club "Dynamo" boy, 13 years old, sambo, fighters + jacket = 25-30 rubles and that's it, reached 1-adult, then foolishly quit (tipping point)

[mmaxx]

If for me, I would kill myself if my mother had 25 rubles. give away. There was simply no money. From the age of 14, I worked part-time when the opportunity presented itself. But I remember that at 13 I was no longer accepted into judo. They said it was too late. All.

[mmaxx]

In general, it happened with technical (DSAAF) sports. Not now.
But about the parachute. The requirements were brutal, as was the selection. So before the plane, we still had to try harder.

[Sofievka]

Everything was done through acquaintances, but what do I know about this? A boy of 14-16 years old? Mom - airport, dad - military musician, orchestrarrrr - that's all!!! Yes, that’s how it was, he returned from the army, a friend at the flying club, a helicopter pilot, come on, go, study, but, friends, the girls didn’t care about aviation, I’m terribly sorry, on demobilization of the regiment commander, sniper pilot Gubanov “in agricultural step” march" scribbled???

[Sergey Valov]

Learning to fly an airplane in the USSR automatically changed your VS. This training did not come from charity. I had one such friend, every few years he took training to maintain his helicopter piloting skills. It was better not to joke with the military registration and enlistment office.

[Witsapiens]

Manufactured goods were not only expensive, but many things were stupidly missing. There was almost nothing. Or it was just formal. You apparently have already forgotten about what it was like to live in those days.

[bk316]

For example, in the Soviet Union this indicator in Moscow in 1980 was 155 rubles. Therefore, based on the purchasing power of money given above, The average salary in Russia today should be 65 720 rubles.

AYAYAY - such a good article, but at the end they answered with a curtsey to the wrestlers and winced.

Not in Russia today, but in Moscow today. And in Moscow today it is 111000.
And to find out what the salary should be in the Russian Federation today, you need to take the salary in 1080, not in Moscow, but in the USSR as a whole. I'm sure it's MUCH less than 150 rubles.

[carpenter]

Quote: bk316

I'm sure it's MUCH less than 150 rubles.

Well, if the salary comes with a bonus, then only 150 rubles in hand. then all our factories and construction sites would stop. But this is not in the RSFSR.

[Stas157]

Food products, clothes and everything that is sold in stores have become much cheaper (costs have fallen) since then thanks to modern technologies. And you compare how much train travel or plane flights cost in Soviet times, housing and communal services, medicines in pharmacies, vouchers to a sanatorium... Soviet people could afford it much more.

[MBRSS]

Stas157 Yes, I remember, no wonder, when we were students, we flew 300-500 km on L-410, Yak-40, An-24 and even An-2 aircraft. The flight cost 1,5-2 times more than the railway, but so much fun! Except An-2 :))

[carpenter]

Quote: MBRBS

The flight cost 1,5-2 times more than the railway

From Tallinn to St. Petersburg, whether it’s a soft railway or a plane - chervonets, by bus 4 rubles. 58 kopecks

[mmaxx]

Now it’s definitely more expensive, but not by much. If necessary, no problem.
But in those days, getting tickets... for destinations in short supply... Making acquaintances at the box office was very much appreciated.

[Sofievka]

A box of apples solved all the problems (a joke, but true), but they could fly to Moscow for lunch and return, this happened when we were unmarried, oh youth, Simferopol-Moscow 25 coupe, Airbus - the same money

[mmaxx]

Yes.... Where else in Siberia could you get a box of apples? In general, we didn’t have much bribery.

[rocket757]

Regret what happened, a so-so activity... to do so that tomorrow your life would be normal, the activity is what you need.
How and what should be done is a topic for another conversation... however, this has been discussed more than once, there is no point in repeating it.

[Pravodel]

A little comparison.
1. In the USSR for 1 rub. it was possible to have a very good lunch. What now?
2. Loaf of bread - 0,14 rubles. What now?
3. Washing in a bathhouse with a steam room - 0,30 rubles. What now?
4. Loaf of bread - 0,13 rub. What now.
5. Bottle of vodka - 3,62 rubles. What now.
6. Transport fare - 0,03 rubles. What now?
7. Newspaper "Trud" - 0,03 rubles. What now?
8. Beef per kilogram - 2,30 rubles. What now?
9. Boiled sausage of the highest quality per kilogram - 2,60 rubles. What now?
10 Frozen uncut fish per kilogram - 0,52 rubles. And what now - fish has become more expensive than meat.
11. Processed cheese “Friendship” - 0,13 rubles. What now?
Everyone can remember and add to this list themselves.

[Arkadich]

A little comparison.

Rocket757 answered you well at the top, only good things are remembered in the past, but let’s remember the shortage, “sausage” trains, there is money but nothing to buy, sales with a load. Remember?
Nostalgia is good, the main thing is that it does not cover the present and the future.

[Silver99]

what's wrong with sausage? That’s why the doctor’s thesis was dietary, remove trans fats and substitutes from modern “products” and get shelves in the mid-90s. I remember the shops in Moscow at the time, there was a line waiting for fresh meat, and the sausage was lying there, take as much as you could carry.

[mmaxx]

Of the sausage that some who had not tasted happiness got, it was disgusting. Just awful. It was specially fried to fight off this disgusting taste. Nowadays no one forces a person to buy bad sausage. Just don't buy it. Stores will simply stop ordering it. There is a choice. These are not coupons for 800 grams. sausages. In general, coupons were for 1 kg of meat. There was basically no meat. I replaced it with 800 g of sausage or 600 or 700 g of smoked sausage. But the smoked one was simply a miracle. They just got her. Somewhere. So we took what we had. If you don’t buy a ticket in a month, you’re free. And what happened before the coupons was even worse. This was swept away in the morning by pensioners, who could stand in line for 2-3 hours before delivery. And this is from the year 75-76. Before, I simply don’t remember about meat products.

[Amateur]

let's remember the shortage, "sausage" trains, there is money but nothing to buy,

There was also a joke:

The tail is long, the eyes are burning, but there is not enough meat!
What it is?
It's a line for meat!

Let's be honest. Sausage trains and similar queues were more of a joke. We went to Moscow for sausage - we went. But not because there was no sausage somewhere, but because in Moscow there were more than 20 varieties of boiled sausage alone and its quality was very different from the “non-Moscow” one for the better. In the late 70s and early 80s, I quite often went on business trips and always “packed” with “Yazykovaya” (For those who don’t know, it was boiled with a diameter of ~15 cm, and inside there was a square filling of about 5x5 cm, lined with dark pieces of tongue and white pieces of bacon in a checkerboard pattern) and chocolates in the company store on Kropotkinskaya. There was nothing like this at home. There were sausages, meat and sweets. But worse. And they had to be “obtained” by overpaying the sellers. The same thing happened with clothes and shoes, refrigerators and washing machines.
But everyone walked around well-fed, with shoes and clothes on, and everyone’s refrigerators were full. Because people had money honestly earned at a factory, school or research institute. And the sellers, having a lot of money, hid it from everyone. Remember how Zhvanetsky said: “The heating radiators are also made of gold, but they are smeared with mud, so that no one would guess.”
But almost everyone went on vacation to resorts (well, or as a savage). Education, including higher education, was free. If you work honestly and don’t run from one job to another, in 10 years you’ll get a free apartment. If you want a car, go “to earn money” to the north or south to the desert. If you don’t want to go to the desert, but you want a car, defend your doctoral dissertation.
ps It is simply impossible to compare the USSR and today's Russia. These were different countries with different people. With different criteria of values ​​and different thinking. And with confidence in the future.

[rocket757]

I might add... we had 2 meat processing plants in our city. Those who worked there stocked up in a small shop at the factory... The sausages, SAUSAGES, were super tasty... my grandfather worked there and the neighbors on the site could bring treats for every taste to order!
In the city, this could be bought in stores, but only through an acquaintance... or in a copy shop, but at a different price.
What else... in the city there was a special store, a distributor, from where everyone knew who supplied the goods, but besides them, SCHOOLS, GARDENS, HOSPITALS, etc., etc., belonging to the 1st supply category, were supplied from there!
In general, IN PRINCIPLE WE HAVE EVERYTHING, but not everyone knew where this PRINCIPLE store was!!!
Somehow it was like that in many places, except for capitals and not many closed cities!
I have seen a lot of them, so I am ready to answer for my words.

[Sofievka]

A can of Brazilian coffee helped me buy Orion spinning reels. Anyone in the know knows, yes, there was a shortage, but there was also a country, but we lived happily!!! bread was bread, meat was just meat, and in 1988 I was in the “partisans” "we fed meat and buckwheat for slaughter, if you choose between the Russian Federation and the USSR, definitely the USSR!!!

[Vincent price]

By the way, they used to hide stolen goods, but now they put them on display. In my homeland, in 86, the director of the coal depot was taken away by the guys from the OBKhSS, and no one saw him again. And the wife herself returned to her parents, in another village, since being the wife of a bribe-taker was shameful and problematic. Today it’s better, you can cast a toilet out of gold, and if you sit down, you’ll still get out and the toilet won’t go anywhere.

[mmaxx]

They didn't hide it. In their midst they were quite boastful. This environment simply did not allow strangers into it. However, as now.

[mmaxx]

Maybe that's what happened to you. But some didn’t.

[MBRSS]

selling with load. Remember?

I'm probably lucky. I have never bought anything with a load. Moreover, I did not come across such a sale. (born 1965)

[rocket757]

There were loads of food packages in government agencies, factories, but not everywhere... mostly in central cities! I saw, I PARTICIPATED... the specifics of the service/work, I had to go everywhere and on my feet at times.
By the way, a funny moment... in Moscow, at the Institute... food packages were sold to employees with such a load that we, the seconded ones, waved with the locals... they took the LOAD, and we took the main product. This, of course, is a curiosity, but it also happened.

[rocket757]

In the past it was DIFFERENT!!!
You need to remember, but cluck from morning to evening... why?
We need to get busy, strive to improve our lives in a new way so that we can bring back the best that was then.
The task is complex and it can only be realized when we all come together with a specific goal!
In general, everything is according to the textbook.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Arkadich

But let’s remember the shortage, “sausage” trains, there is money but nothing to buy, sales are under pressure. Remember?

This is bad, but we really didn’t have any trains for sausage, not too much, but three smoked and three boiled varieties, before the collapse, we always had.

[linux28]

If, of course, the sausage and meat were in the store. This did not always happen and not everywhere.

[MBRSS]

inux28 the meat was at the market. Let it be more expensive, but not 2 times. But the toad was strangling to overpay! But there was fish, and cheap. Now fish prices are kind of wild for those who remember the 1980s and earlier.

[Sofievka]

"Ocean" Simferopol, 1976, smoked mackerel - 1,40 per kg, they didn't charge it - it's a lot, the bundles were 2-3 kg each, and fish Thursday? Everything is correct, there was another civilization, you can be nostalgic for a long time, but nothing can be returned, only God knows what awaits us all, let’s hope for the best, but spitting about the past of your Great Country is a thankless task

[linux28]

With the market, everything still depended on the region. Friends in Komi, in Inta, simply bought a deer carcass in the fall from some collective farmers, quite officially, and hung it outside the window. There was no global warming back then :-), in most cases it didn’t go out of heat until spring.

But we’re still talking about shops and state prices, no? That’s how everything was in the country, if you passed the cash register...

[mmaxx]

For some, these 2, or even more, were just a stop. Not always and not everyone was happy with money.

[Citizen of Russia92]

And now + - the same thing. For 300 rubles with an average salary of 70 tr. you can eat 230 times. For 1 ruble with an average salary of 200 rubles. you can eat 200 times. Beef for 200 rubles comes out to 86 kg, and for 70 thousand - 116 kg for 600 rubles. The same with bread, sausage, etc. A lot has changed, but on the whole we still live as we lived. We don’t go hungry, we drive cars, we go to the seaside, we buy apartments. Only before a miner received a lot, but now he is a programmer, a top blogger or a plastic surgeon.

[Witsapiens]

And now the average person can buy more of this than then. Fruits and berries alone are now consumed per person on average twice as much as under the USSR, yeah. And in the USSR, even a pathetic tangerine was something festive.

[mmaxx]

Wow! There are minisizers! In general, the people have lost their memory!

[bk316]

A little comparison.

Well let's try it. We take the 80 year coefficient from article 400

Lunch for 400 rubles is possible, but a so-so lunch
A loaf of bread - 52 rubles - you can buy as many as 3 loaves
A bottle of vodka - 1448 rubles - you can buy any vodka, or you can buy 3 bottles of normal
Beef for one kilogram - 920 rubles is 2-3 kilos
In total, in terms of food, it turns out that with a coefficient of 400, life has become 2-3 times cheaper.

[bk316]

Well let's try it. We take the 80 year coefficient from article 400

In short, don’t minus, otherwise the possibility of consumption and, accordingly, the level of consumption have increased compared to 80. THIS IS A FACT. This is what the comrades wrote about below.

However, all these coefficients are from the evil one. For those who remember the 80s and whose brains are not killed by wrestling. Just try to abstract yourself and think only about consumption, and then answer yourself honestly when it was better then or now. The answer is obvious. In general, we have built a consumer society. Whether this is good or bad is a separate question, but we live richer.

[mmaxx]

For 400 rubles you can eat even in the center of Moscow. Where's the expensive beef? Well, 400-500. Less pork. And this is a clipping. Not an ounce of bones. There is no talk about water. Those for whom it was the main product are long gone.
At the same time, I completely understand that there are really poor people.

[UA3QHP]

Everyone can remember and add to this list themselves.

12. Electricity - 4 kopecks kWh, now 4,85 rubles (April 2023, Voronezh)
13. Gasoline AI-93 (1983) - 40 kopecks/l. Now A-95 (56,9 r/l Tatneft)
14. VAZ 2105 (1983) - 8165 rubles in turn, waiting period from 5 years. And now the new Lada Vesta - 1522700 rubles.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Ua3qhp

Electricity - 4 kopecks kWh, now 4,85 rubles (April 2023, Voronezh)

If there were electric stoves in the house, then 2 kopecks. kWh, now 0,63 Euro.

[Doctor]

A little comparison.
1. In the USSR for 1 rub. it was possible to have a very good lunch. What now?
...
5. Bottle of vodka - 3,62 rubles. What now.

Everyone can remember and add to this list themselves.

Have a good lunch now - 500 rubles.
A bottle of vodka "Five Lakes" Premium in Lenta - 400 rubles.


An engineer in the USSR received 140 rubles.
I could have lunch 140 times and buy 38 bottles of vodka.

The engineer now earns 70.
He can have lunch the same 140 times, but buy 175 BOTTLES of vodka!

Conclusion:

[carpenter]

Quote: Arzt

An engineer in the USSR received 140 rubles.

And I paid 3 rubles for a 15-room apartment, but now if you calculate the bill for the apartment, how many bottles will be left?

[Doctor]

And I paid 3 rubles for a 15-room apartment, but now if you calculate the bill for the apartment, how many bottles will be left?

More, of course. Previously I paid 4 bottles, now it’s 15.
Total: previously there were 34 left, now there are 160!

[carpenter]

Quote: The Truth

5. Bottle of vodka - 3,62 rubles. What now.

This is already the 80s, and before that “Moskovskaya” was 2 rubles. 87 kopecks "Stolichnaya" 3 rub. 12 kopecks half a kilo of barrel sprat 15 kopecks and a quarter of bread 7 kopecks. There was enough for one until the evening.

[Doctor]

This is already the 80s, and before that “Moskovskaya” was 2 rubles. 87 kopecks "Stolichnaya" 3 rub. 12 kopecks half a kilo of barrel sprat 15 kopecks and a quarter of bread 7 kopecks. There was enough for one until the evening.

Even now, no one bans moonshine and doshirak.

[mmaxx]

You'd think this set is exorbitantly expensive now
It would be something to be sad about.

[linux28]

You won’t invite very many young people to such a paradise now. And not only from young people.

[Sergey Valov]

The same question can be considered in another way.
1. Imported jeans (there were no domestic ones) from 35 rubles. India, up to 150 US per hand.
2. TV from 50 b/w to 500 color
3. Car from 3000 Zaporozhets to 12 Volga (and not on sale, but only by appointment)
4. Dacha - it is impossible to purchase, you can only get it at the enterprise, only after standing in line for years, only 6 - 8 acres. Not all enterprises and organizations could have dacha farms.
It was possible to build there only what was allowed, and not what one wanted.
5. Bananas, oranges, tangerines, cherries, strawberries, etc. only after standing in line for at least 20 minutes.
5. Meat at the price you indicated could be purchased either as dog food (without a queue), or after standing for an hour and a half, without a guarantee that you would get it at all, or at the market for...
6. It’s the same with sausage, plus it was of disgusting quality. There have been no raw smoked sausages in stores since the mid-70s, only in orders from enterprises.
7. Imported women's winter boots 120 - 180 rub. and only in wild queues. There were domestic ones, but the quality...
8. Women's tsigeika fur coat - 200 - 300 rubles. Difficult to buy. Very fashionable and popular sheepskin coats 250 and beyond. Can't buy freely.
9. It’s better not to write about medicine; it was free but terrible. Dentistry especially stood out.

[linux28]

Kind of cheap for a TV. "Rainbow-716" cost around 700 in 81...

[mmaxx]

Yes.
Color 700, b&w from 150 to 300.
Tape recorder Mayak 205 - 231 rub. The same cassette player Spring. All sorts of Olympus are much more expensive.
Vertak Vega Novosibirsk 190 something.
Camera Zenit TTL - 180.
Refrigerator Biryusa RUB 180. Etc.

[mmaxx]

6 acres of dachas began to be provided only under the food program. And so - 4. And if you remember about the restrictions on houses.... Timber is not allowed, logs are not allowed, brick is not allowed, but backfill is possible. It’s impossible to have more than that. On 4 acres, if you put everything according to the standards - a maximum of 3 by 4. Everything was checked. We kept all the pieces of paper for a long time, where and for how much, what we bought. We were waiting for the check. Some were checked.

[Sergey Valov]

My wife's grandfather received 6 acres around 1960. Otherwise, everything is the same.

[Sofievka]

Yes, these were the prices, the first Levis jeans cost 160 rubles in 1976, but it was a thing, a surgeon friend performed an operation - cognac, together and drank, the main thing was acquaintances, everything was decided, the principle is you worked for me, I worked for you for everything 10000

[Andrey Moskvin]

We need to compare fuel and bread. Two basic values.

[NOT malicious]

You can compare......anything. And each time the result can be different: in some positions it’s “thank you for your health,” and in others it’s “and get your hair back.” But to begin the comparison, it is necessary to determine the positions for which the comparison will be performed. Ideally, such positions should be equally dependent. Let's say, the dependence of the cost of a liter of gasoline in the Moscow region on production / the cost of oil on world markets then and now. By the way, this case may be INCORRECT, because... in those distant times, the cost of a liter of gasoline in the village of Nizhne-Mukhopopkino had nothing to do with world oil markets. Etc.
In general, the principle of such a comparison may look much more complicated and not as unambiguous and transparent as it might seem at first glance. In other words, comparing the cost of a “loaf of bread then and now” may be fundamentally WRONG.
You can make comparisons based on the funds that were left “for drinking” then and now after paying off all utilities and loans. Also - so-so. But - as an option!

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

We need to compare fuel and bread.

70, filled a Volga-21 with 50 liters, paid 3 rubles. Chernyashka 13 kop. loaf. Sprat 31 kopecks kg. The neighbor in the garage is waiting with a bottle.

[Sofievka]

I ran for coupons for gasoline, they were just sold in the “Sporting Goods” store, 7 kopecks a liter, most likely 76, there wasn’t anything else, how much gasoline could you get for a ruble? And I used diesel fuel to heat the house back in 1989, my dad said “it didn’t take long.” there will be happiness" as I felt, by the way, the bread was 1 KG, but now?

[mmaxx]

Where is her 1 kg bun? I heard calls on TV all the time to save bread. And for this purpose, the weight of the bun was reduced. Many people simply bought pilafs.

[mmaxx]

And here's gasoline. Many people remember this: food program? I won’t remind you why it appeared. And then the authorities came up with the idea: do you want gas coupons? Give some hay to feed the livestock. Can you imagine this now? And the men carried scythes and hay in the trunks of Lada cars.

[Sofievka]

For about a year or two, my father was complaining about where to mow? Still, plowed and sown, through a friend, a foreman in field farming, they solved the problem

[vovochkarzhevsky]

In Soviet times, a simple company commander, retiring with the rank of captain and without preferential length of service, received a maximum pension of 250 rubles. This is equal to the current 110 re.
That's all you need to know about how capitalist Russia values ​​the military.

[Doctor]

In Soviet times, a simple company commander, retiring with the rank of captain and without preferential length of service, received a maximum pension of 250 rubles. This is equal to the current 110 re.
That's all you need to know about how capitalist Russia values ​​the military.

Would you make the sturgeon smaller? There may be a salary.
And so - a personal card of republican significance is 120 rubles.

[Amateur]

And so - a personal card of republican significance is 120 rubles.

120 rubles was an ORDINARY pension with a sufficient salary level and 25 years of experience. With more than 25 years of experience, money was added, and the maximum was 132 rubles. Personalka of republican significance was 175 rubles. And the military had a pension of 200 rubles and more.

[mmaxx]

This is how you have to serve in order to retire as a company commander and captain? Drink endlessly? The only eternal captains were those who for some reason were not accepted into the party or were kicked out. And they were no longer given a mouth.

[Sergey Valov]

“This is how you have to serve in order to retire as a company commander and captain” - easy. An ordinary air defense pilot had the rank of lieutenant - captain. The age limit for the rank of captain is 35 years; there are half as many flight positions above captain in the regiment as there are ordinary pilots. And the officers left for civilian life as captains at the age of 35 without a civilian profession and with a low pension, significantly less than 200... It was a tragedy. In the ZRV, the C-125 cadre division had approximately 12 officers, and TWO positions above captain. When I left, we had 6 lieutenants and 6 captains, two captains were about to receive majors. When I was there, a captain, a battalion commander, retired, fought in Egypt, had Egyptian crosses, I saw them.

[mmaxx]

And of course a land traveler. Everything is different there. But there seems to be almost no mouth in aviation. But 200 rubles. pensions.... Civilians at 60 years old did not receive that much. Yes, and not everyone had such a salary. Maybe only miners and metallurgists had such a pension.
You can understand the pilots. The people there are super ambitious. And here it is on you. But overall, they were simply covered in chocolate.

[Sergey Valov]

My father, lieutenant colonel, pilot, Zhukovka, 26 years of service, i.e. full, had a pension of 230. He left with the note “limitedly fit in wartime” And after that he had restrictions on earnings. So no need to talk about the captain and 250.

[Bingo]

https://t.me/s/nolito_now
I won’t quote everything, otherwise I’ll be banned for it. If you don't understand the quote, I recommend that you look there, it's there in full.

According to Rosstat data, in the second quarter and third quarter of this year, the Russian economy turned on the afterburners and went up. This, in combination with sanctions, limited convertibility of the ruble and everything else, created a demand for currency. Not for perfume and lipstick as during Perestroika, but for all those parts and components that the accelerating economy needs. The reality of the market is that a lot is still imported. There is a lot of demand for currency. Offers? The cat cried. Well, the rate went up. It can be held in place by other methods, but the most effective and simplest is to lower the flaps. Which is exactly what Nabiulina did. And you have to be Tsarevsky's Olukh not to notice and understand this.

[alystan]

To be fair, it is worth adding to the above-mentioned study data on the size of average wages in the USSR and the Russian Federation. For example, in the Soviet Union, this figure in Moscow in 1980 was 155 rubles. Therefore, based on the purchasing power of money given above, the average salary in Russia today should be 65 rubles. According to official data, the average salary in the capital today reaches 111 rubles, which is significantly higher than the average for the country as a whole.

Now let's look at the following data:

In Moscow, according to Henley & Partners, there are 35 people with a capital of $200 million or more, 1 people with a capital of + $250 million and 28 billionaires.

Moreover, it is stated that the number of millionaires living in Moscow has decreased by 44% over ten years. Oh, what the average salary in Moscow was just 10 years ago...

We won’t take the rest of the riffraff, such as the cultural elite and office plankton, into account. Although most of them have incomes significantly higher than the given average of 111 rubles. And some people still live in the Near and not so Moscow region...

[BMP-2]

I’m afraid that the current government rather takes credit for the stratification by income level: as the antithesis of the “equalization” that existed in the USSR. Although, of course, this idea is not correct.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

I’m afraid that the current government rather takes credit for the stratification by income level: as the antithesis of the “equalization” that existed in the USSR. Although, of course, this idea is not correct.

There was no equalization in the USSR. But there were enough jobs where they didn’t pay very much, but there was no need to strain. It was these citizens who started this myth.
Here are photos that completely destroy this myth.

[Doctor]

There was no equalization in the USSR. But there were enough jobs where they didn’t pay very much, but there was no need to strain. It was these citizens who started this myth.
Here are photos that completely destroy this myth.

Golovatov sold 200 kg of honey from his apiary on the market. Only 4 flasks of 50 kg each. And with this money I was able to buy a fighter (100 rubles)

This only speaks of the outrageous prices for food in those days and free labor in military factories (they worked simply for food).

Stalin's economy is like that...

[vovochkarzhevsky]

Golovatov sold 200 kg of honey from his apiary on the market. Only 4 flasks of 50 kg each. And with this money I was able to buy a fighter (100 rubles)

This only speaks of the outrageous prices for food in those days and free labor in military factories (they worked simply for food).

Stalin's economy is like that...

Undoubtedly. There were both individual farmers and artels. And dividing goods into categories A and B.
Some people just don't know about it.
They are brainwashed by liberals.

[mmaxx]

I don’t think that an ordinary person took and financed the plane. The airplane has always been a high-tech and very expensive thing. Take an interest in the price of a lousy Newport from the First World War.
The person made a contribution. On the plane. And they named him after him. And they did the right thing. So that every military man understands who supports him. There was even a tank named after a girl. She was saving up for a doll. I can’t believe that the doll cost as much as a tank.

[Sergey Valov]

The plane is just a very low-tech, high-cost thing. No one in the USSR would sell a plane to a collective farmer. And yes, he transferred the money to the state and asked, probably, to invest it in an airplane, which is what he became famous for.

[Doctor]

I don’t think that an ordinary person took and financed the plane. The airplane has always been a high-tech and very expensive thing. Take an interest in the price of a lousy Newport from the First World War.
The person made a contribution. On the plane. And they named him after him. And they did the right thing. So that every military man understands who supports him. There was even a tank named after a girl. She was saving up for a doll. I can’t believe that the doll cost as much as a tank.

This story is well known and taken to pieces. I took it and financed it.
These were price scissors. A kilo of honey cost from 500 dollars to 1000 rubles, and the Yak-1 cost about 100 at cost. Because they worked for meager food at the factory and spent the night there. For leaving home - execution.

To compare the standard of living: now 1 kg of honey costs about 500 rubles, a Yak-52 costs 2 million.
Golovatov would have to hand over 4 tons to buy only a piston one.

[Zyablicev43]

There was no equalization. The country is large, there were regions where bonuses and coefficients were applied. There was an opportunity to earn money, and many took advantage of this to buy a car or an apartment. Prices for food “in the north” differed slightly from those on the “mainland”, but there were free travel and baggage allowance. It is no coincidence that entire regions of Siberia and the Far East were depopulated in the nineties. People were simply abandoned, left with nothing.

[bk316]

Well, no one in the world considers the average salary. Consider the median.
The median in Moscow is 70K with a tail.
That's why

Most of them have incomes significantly higher than the given average of 111 rubles.

But half of working Muscovites receive 77 thousand.

[HAM]

Then, dear author, compare how much it costs then and now to get a child ready for school, go to the clinic... pull out a tooth... study at an institute or technical school... but the bourgeoisie fly to Vienna to drink coffee... democracy. ............... although even then we were unhappy.

[mmaxx]

Getting a child ready for school has always cost money. And now they are not that big. No naked or barefoot people are visible. Those who have a small income are generally given it for free. You DO NOT NEED money to go to the clinic. Don't make it up. Previously, in this clinic they could only listen and touch. Blood and urine, everything is as before. Teeth and free pull. Like before. If you want to save your jaw, go pay. It couldn't be easier to get into college now. Passed the Unified State Exam and no matter where. This year, more than half of my son’s class went to MSK, St. Petersburg and Vladika. And if your head is empty, then you can even pay for money. Although I would have gone to vocational school earlier. This is bad. We need to nail down paid education.
Just look at how much and where in the budget formation. If you don’t do it, you have to be a cretin. But, of course, it’s difficult for Moscow State University, MGIMO, etc. But you might think that before you could get there with a tram ticket.

[Leshak]

Why compare the incomparable?! Another country, another time, different goods, and most importantly, a different upbringing and different values.

[mmaxx]

Purchasing power must be calculated from consumption. If we reduce consumption to Soviet levels, then the current average of 40 thousand will be enough easily. And it will remain. In our area - 800 gr. dog sausage and 300 gr. sandwich butter per month. Oh well. If someone writes that that sausage was in accordance with GOST regulations and consisted of pure meat...., in general, it’s better not to write. You won't be fooled.
And about vouchers... Not everyone had access to them. And now, before the SVO, there was only talk about who had been on vacation in which foreign countries and seas. And then Sochi was the ultimate dream. A person who visited socialist Europe was almost a celestial being. Remind me what they required to get there?
Funny. Never have people in Russia lived as well as they do now. Average. There are attacks now, and there were then. For example, I personally didn’t have much from the Soviet regime. I would say tougher. My children lived better as children.

[_KM_]

A stupid comparison and a stupid opinion that it is better now. Previously, there was a shortage of many things, because effective demand was higher, there were fewer junk goods of contrived necessity, and there were no mortgages at all. Therefore, the shortage of goods and services occurred because effective demand exceeded the capabilities of industry and the economy, which had just recovered from the war. Now, yes, there are more supplies of goods and services, but what about effective demand? It's smaller. And this is the problem of our underlying economy. What is the use of parks and square kilometers of real estate for sale if the country has problems with unemployment, a declining economy, social services, etc.? How can we take into account all this social guarantees, confidence in the future, etc.?

[mmaxx]

Read first. To compare incomparables, it is necessary to equalize the conditions. Throw away smartphones, computers, cars and their servicing, mortgages, communication fees, utilities, etc., etc. Thailand. Imagine having free apartments, etc. in 15 years. Queues for cars and other shortages. Then compare.
If everything I eat is transferred to the USSR, 120 rubles will not be enough for me. Because it was all just on the market. Expensive. But there simply weren’t any in stores. No way for the average person. And if anyone had it, I’ll say - that’s who ate my 72 kg of meat per capita in the country. Excellent meat. According to GOST. No bones. We had bad apples 2 months out of the year. Potatoes in stores also lasted for 2-3 months. Then everything rotted and ended. Tell ordinary residents of our area about that bright future. With an empty refrigerator and stores. Since the mid-70s.
Otherwise, you might think that all this urban construction just happened, and no people supported it all. Now everyone is ready to scream about betrayal and so on. But we should start with ourselves.

[bk316]

Purchasing power must be calculated from consumption.

Why compare salaries at all?
Most people do this to assess their standard of living.
Obviously, for this you need to compare together with prices.

This is a funny but incorrect technique, so in principle the article is interesting, but useless.

Well, the author got a coefficient of 400 by 80.
Well, it’s clear that food has become cheaper, and transport has become a little more expensive.
And education has increased endlessly, but electronics have fallen dramatically.
What does this say - but nothing.

It is much more correct to estimate median consumption levels.
That is, how many people have cars.
What weight of meat is more than what half of the population eats.
And t.yu.
Stories about how meat of a different kind is for the benefit of the poor because and cars of a different kind.

[Yuras_Belarus]

You can only compare things that are the same or identical. Is, for example, the same boiled sausage in the USSR and in the Russian Federation?

[_KM_]

In Soviet times, a Moscow bun cost 24 kopecks, now it’s 27 rubles. It turns out that now the average salary, which was announced by the official above, is the salary of a Soviet laboratory assistant without education or experience. Great "progress". )

[mmaxx]

How do you compare the buns? On my table I have meat and fish, vegetables and fruits, whatever I want. Buckwheat, damn her, but she wasn’t there. Delicacy oh my. The potatoes are not rotten at all. And I hardly eat bread. I don’t need to finish my stomach until it’s full. You just don’t need it, and it doesn’t matter how much it costs. For me personally. Enough for a loaf of bread a week for a family (3 people left together).
And meat is much cheaper for me. And all kinds of vegetation. The quality is incomparable. There is always cheese. And there was a time when I didn’t see it in stores at all for about 15 years. Sometimes there were sandwiches in the canteens. Occasionally, like great luck, we got soup sets. These were canteens sold in institutions. Apparently, you couldn’t throw something like that into the soup at all. Then, already under filthy capitalism, I fed my dogs such “soup kits”. I didn’t need to dig through this mess of trimmings and bones myself. Or maybe someone will remember the kombizhir? Or vegetable fat? Does it come in packs? A? And everyone was fried on it. Now they write that you can’t eat it at all. I couldn't get enough of this quality of life.

[_KM_]

We didn’t fry everything in a combination fat. I actually only saw him in the army. And there was always cheese. As a lover of this product, I note that even during a total shortage it was possible to buy it. And there was buckwheat. It began to disappear already in our new democratic times. And the bread was normal, they baked it in every city. And now they are bringing it to the capital from Shchelkovo and St. Petersburg.

But this does not cancel the main postulate. Normal food, rest, etc. BASIC things were available to everyone, but now to a narrow circle of the population. And this circle gets narrower and narrower.

[linux28]

I definitely eat better than in Soviet times. And, importantly, I stand in queues much less. And not even once an oligarch. And among neighbors, people who are more than ordinary, hungry fainting is not observed. Maybe this is only true for Peter. But hardly...

I don’t know what you specifically mean by vacation, but in quiet times, relatively recently, more people went abroad to vacation than in Soviet times vacationed in Sochi.

The only bad thing is that there are really a lot of people overboard. Well, two steps from St. Petersburg this happened even in Soviet times, I managed to provide patronage assistance to state farms. What can we say about more remote places...

[mmaxx]

It was you who had it. Just don't generalize. You have to understand that in many places there was nothing.

[Sergey Valov]

“But there was always cheese” - maybe this was the case somewhere, but not in Moscow.

[Zoer]

You need to compare not average salaries, but median ones. In the USSR there were no Sechins and Millers, with the level of salary for a month, like that of ordinary citizens for 10 years. And I admit that in the USSR the median and average salaries were almost the same, but now they differ significantly.

[Arkadich]

There were no Sechins, but there was different access to various benefits.
Therefore, the salary of 200 rubles was the same, but the occupancy of apartments and refrigerators was different, they just didn’t advertise it, they hid it.
I remember my father’s friend, he was the deputy director of a plant, through connections they got boards and beams and without thinking he made a gorgeous fence. As soon as his wife saw the fence, she clutched her heart.
In general, comparing it is like soft with white. Uselessly.

[vovochkarzhevsky]

And if so? The Soviet ruble after the monetary reform of 1961 was equal to 0,987412 g of pure gold.
Today it costs 5981.6 rubles. for one gram.
Total 1 Soviet ruble is 5 Russian.

[mmaxx]

Well, yes. For a ruble you could eat well in the canteen. And now you can go to the pub for 5000 and still have some left. Compare.

[Sergey Valov]

You can even remember 66 kopecks per dollar. But the purchase of dollars in the USSR was not welcomed. By the way, like operations with gold.

[Witsapiens]

Firstly, purchasing power is now higher than under the USSR. It’s a pity that “experts on all issues” like Shumakov (he is an expert on economics, weapons, and who knows what else) are not capable of economics.

Secondly, Soviet citizens could not realize their already lower purchasing power - there was a deficit, sir. Many goods were bought "under the counter" or secondhand (the same cars, for example). Many services (dental, for example - people wanted anesthesia, but according to the councils this was an “imaginary need”) were obtained on the shadow market at a much higher price. Thus, we can conclude that in reality purchasing power in the USSR was even lower than the official one.

Thirdly, the USSR had very few goods in general. Many of the most basic but extremely useful things that we are all accustomed to now were stupidly not produced. These include baby diapers, feminine hygiene products, etc. and so on. Although in capitalist countries this has been the case almost since the 1950s.

It’s a shame to even talk about the colossal lag in complex things. In the USA, they began to switch to push-button phones in the 50s-60s; in the 80s, radiotelephones, mobile phones, etc. were already appearing. And in the USSR, only in the second half of the 80s did they begin to switch from rotary to push-button phones. The lag is terrible, and the reason why the industry did not export in the 90s is that it simply collapsed from competition with more advanced goods.

[mmaxx]

We are like that, they are fiercely downvoted here. Everyone lives with fairy tales about the past. They apparently lived in some other USSR. In Ukraine, the Baltic states or near special distribution centers. As a last resort, they worked in trade. So I have the idea that it was they who ate my meat, butter and generally deprived us of everything we didn’t have.

[linux28]

In general, these are normal age-related changes for the majority, and should not be taken to heart.

[mmaxx]

So a person, it seems, should become smarter. But exactly the opposite happens. As Napoleon said: “Do not look for evil intent where everything can be explained by stupidity.”
But when they start singing fairy tales about milk rivers and jelly banks.... The atmosphere was much more positive. The Soviet government filtered foreign information. There weren't 100 TV channels with crap. Etc. But I don’t look. And I recommend it to everyone. I just don’t have television, that’s all. Lots of educational information. Which was not even close to happening before. Sit back and enjoy. Do what you want. No one with any Komsomol or party will caulk your brains. If you want, work with your hands. And no one will tell you that this is unearned income. And he won’t award the article or destroy everything just like that. Moreover, there was no option to sue the Soviet authorities. And if someone from the government sent you, you won’t tell anyone about it.
As an example. Everything has been privatized. And this is very, very bad. The city needs to build a road or bridge. And some pepper, living in a hundred-year-old shack, gets in the way. And he starts downloading his license. This is still good if only all his relatives are registered in his hut, and not 1000 Tajiks. And the authorities begin to negotiate with him. And under Soviet power: you are wearing 18 square meters. meters at the end of the city and walked out.
Many things have changed for the bad, many for the good. But it’s stupid to compare purchasing power. You can only compare the standard of living. And now it is the highest it has ever been in Russia.

[ivan2022]

Quote: mmaxx

We are like that, they are fiercely downvoted here. Everyone lives with fairy tales about the past. They apparently lived in some other USSR. In Ukraine, the Baltic states or near special distribution centers. As a last resort, they worked in trade. So I have the idea that it was they who ate my meat, butter and generally deprived us of everything we didn’t have.

Like “they are fools, but I am smart”..... A cool argument from a 17th century serf who lives under the white Master and glorifies him!

Yes.. s.... And “all of these” are stupid.... They live under White, but praise Red.

The serf cannot understand that one power differs from another in laws, AND NOT IN THE DEGREE OF KINDNESS OF THE MASTER... And in the USSR, the laws were such that both the population and the standard of living grew. Unlike modern ones.

And according to the UN quality of life rating, in 1988 the USSR took 26th place, and today the Russian Federation ranks after 60...... it is not Barin who needs to be compared, but his own life today in many other countries...


Heh..heh.good sir, or maybe everything can be explained simply!? ... Admit it, this is your way
"stand closer to the distributor" who distributes the salary??

[mmaxx]

It was you who stood closer to the distributor then. AND THEY WERE THEN. And I just work honestly and don’t worry about where to GET something for the children’s dinner. How my mother steamed. And people like you, I will not forgive her eyes.

[oleg Pesotsky]

You read the comments and understand that most of those who speak out have no idea about the USSR or judge that life according to the inventions of perestroika journalists. The economic basis of socialism was built on the satisfaction of the basic vital needs of man. In any case, you were guaranteed housing, work, free education and medicine. Well, the rest depended only on you personally. From each according to his ability, to each according to his work. Well, in the Union there was no such thing as a person rummaging through garbage dumps in search of food. It wasn’t that’s all! No one died because there was no money for medical care. There was a microscopic number of homeless people who were caught by the police, given a room in a hostel (at least) and given a job. The desecration of the Soviet past has only one goal - to somehow justify the degradation and impoverishment that is happening today. To tell the truth about the USSR means signing your own death warrant. This is where inventions, lies, falsifications and outright nonsense come into play.

[mmaxx]

What are you writing about medical help? They gave sick leave - yes. But medicine was incomparable. It’s just that science has moved ahead incomparably. Regardless of the social system. Otherwise, as a child, I didn’t sit in line at the clinic and we couldn’t find the pills we needed. Yes, there were no such doctors as there are now. And they died from cancer, and there was simply no treatment. But here, I repeat, science has simply moved forward.
In our city, for example, the population is stable. And the amount of honey institutions is only increasing. Is this because there was inaccessibility? Yes, before no one knew anything about their illnesses, so they didn’t go to the doctors. And then they just died and that was it.

[Yenisei and Tepsei]

In my city, in my clinic, there is a constant shortage of therapists; there are almost none over 45. And this is the first experience. Half are now from Central Asia, 25-30 years old. And paid clinics are like lumps in the nineties now.

[Yenisei and Tepsei]

Totally agree with you. The liberals' desecration of everything Soviet led to Russophobia.

[_KM_]

Quote from Witsapiens

It’s a shame to even talk about the colossal lag in complex things. In the USA, they began to switch to push-button phones in the 50s-60s; in the 80s, radiotelephones, mobile phones, etc. were already appearing. And in the USSR, only in the second half of the 80s did they begin to switch from rotary to push-button phones.

Remind me how mobile communications began to develop in the West? Since one leaver revealed to the Western community what was created and worked in the USSR.

[mmaxx]

These are fables. In the USSR there was not even the basis for this connection. That's why someone there left. In some regions, simple telephone coverage was almost zero. In the USA, telephones were already everywhere in the 20s. There were certainly no queues.

[_KM_]

Google the Altai system. She worked in the USSR from the early 60s.

[mmaxx]

Where? In the Politburo? During the entire Soviet era, we did not receive a telephone. And it’s funny to hear that there was some kind of Altai for someone. There were Zhigulis. It’s difficult, not for everyone, but it was. But there were no regular telephones. There were fewer simple wired telephones in the house than there were cars. Understand what difference it makes to me in fairy tales about 72 kg of supposedly the best meat according to the state regulations per capita, if I personally and everyone around me have not even seen this close.

[_KM_]

During the Soviet years, as a schoolboy, I went to the shooting section for free and shot with small rifles. What about shooting sports now? Nothing good. If you have money you shoot, if you have no money you walk past the shooting range. With biathlon it’s generally an ambush. A small gun is a rifled weapon, but how should it be given to minors? Hence all sorts of pitfalls. Although there are more weapons in the store, many are imported. What's the point?

[Sofievka]

1974-1975, brother in the rifle school, Simferopol, reached the kms, the rifle spent the night at our house “Typhoon”, in my opinion, there were also cartridges, he came late, in the dark

[2 Level Advisor]

Another way to take into account is that in Moscow time the official average is 111 tr, and in the Stavropol Territory the official is 42 tr.. and this is the “average for the hospital”, and prices except for housing are cheaper in Moscow for everything...
https://pobeda26.ru/news/obshhestvo/2023-06-13/srednyaya-zarplata-na-stavropolie-v-2023-godu-stala-samoy-vysokoy-v-skfo-259088

[aybolyt678]

Karl Marx: “Money is a hypostasis of value, and Value is labor embodied in a commodity. Labor is the process of interaction between man and nature as a result of which values ​​with value arise.” Why have Marx's postulates been forgotten in our time? Why is everything that brings money called labor?
Why do they come up with unnecessary terms like import substitution? when was machine tool building needed?

[Knell wardenheart]

Such calculations cannot be carried out correctly. During the times of the USSR, there was a completely different bread and many other products were made using different technologies - there were stupidly not 8 lards of souls in the world, but about 3-4, and accordingly. the same wheat had a different price, a conventional telephone (rotary) involved the labor of, say, 100 people, and now it is the labor of 20 people (relatively speaking), its functionality is hundreds of times higher, and the price is lower (even without taking into account additional functionality).
Correctly calculating “purchasing power” is an almost unrealistic task; in fact, input and supporting factors change greatly. However, it is possible to equivalent the work of certain marker professions - such as a teacher or a cleaner, or a Ministry of Taxes, a watchman, for example, and so on.
I won’t say for “now”, a couple of years ago, based on the prices of that time, I estimated, if very approximately, then somewhere in the early 80s, a conventional cleaning lady received 112 rubles (Moscow, approximately), 2-3 years ago this figure was approximately 20-22k (again, extremely approximately). If we compare, we have empirically it turns out to be approximately 200x - which is VERY CONVENTIONAL for work that has changed little over 40 years, a person now receives 200x in paper-numerical value.

Now we take, for example, the Soviet price - I still have a Soviet ladle, for example (let's assume it's from the late 70s-early 80s, which is quite likely). On its handle - 1 ruble. 50 kopecks
That is, assuming that the proportion of 1 to 200 is correct, this is about 300 rubles.
This product is simple and its manufacturing technology has changed little since the 80s - and now, we see in Yandex that the approximate price for it (metal, solid) fluctuates right around this value - 300 rubles (somewhat +).

I believe that approximately this proportion will be observed for those goods whose manufacturing technologies have changed slightly since then (and there is a stabilized demand for them), and it will also be approximately correct for a number of core professions that are more or less strictly tied to time and have not undergone radical growth produces. labor.
When summing up some things (such as prices for a bus ticket around the city), this proportion turns out to be pure rubbish, because 5 kopecks. a ticket from the times of the USSR would be similar to 10 rubles now, which if it was, then oh, how long ago .. however, if you think about it, the incorrectness of the proportion here comes from the fact that in the USSR public transport was under the jurisdiction of the state and was subsidized by the state, being part of the social order. And now it more or less exists within capital pricing, and therefore at that time the real price was suppressed, but now, on the contrary, it is inflated by the receipt of excess profits.

My rough estimates from 2-3 years ago gave me the feeling that, in terms of the totality of goods and services in the USSR, they were approximately equivalent to modern times, differing significantly within individual categories (by analogy with a bus ticket) of a grassroots or socially oriented plan, however, they are more than compensated for by goods that are scarce (at that time and taking into account the real price at which they could be obtained), technologically advanced, convenient, and so on - that is, NOT socially oriented.
I don’t claim that I am the ultimate truth on this issue, but it is also naive to believe that with weaker agricultural technologies, less labor production, less mechanization, higher labor costs and not always adequately working plans, the real cost of “things” was significantly lower than now (of course, without taking into account the sometimes draconian additional markups that people sometimes suffer from). There was certainly a difference - but was it so significant?

[ivan2022]

It is NOT correct to talk about comparative effectiveness here.

I will quote words from one story by M. Zoshchenko: “The doctor prescribed powders - they put them behind the image - it doesn’t help!”
QUESTION. Were the powders effective or not?

So it is in the USSR. Rosstat today admits that meat production in the Russian Federation in the early 90s fell lower than in the RSFSR. And only in 2015 it recovered to the level of 1989.

Was the economy in the USSR efficient and why did the “Soviet deficit” disappear in early 1992 in the week when “Gaidar saved the country from famine”? After all, it was a miracle like the biblical one: “there was nothing and suddenly everything is there.”

The point is not the effectiveness of the economic system, but the ineffectiveness of society, which does not know how to use this system. It only knows how to steal......

It is extremely ineffective and is not even capable of producing at least one normal leader out of 100 million people. And this circumstance is reflected in our main political slogan: “And for whom else?..” For whom, if everyone is wretched?

[mmaxx]

Meat production may have fallen. Only he will answer the question: who ate my 72 kg of meat per year. If neither I nor my mother saw so much meat, it means someone ate not only their 72 kg, but also mine.
And this says that these statistics were a lie. Because a person cannot eat 140 kg of meat. That's almost half a kilo a day.

[ivan2022]

Quote: mmaxx

Meat production may have fallen. Only he will answer the question: who ate my 72 kg of meat per year. If neither I nor my mother saw so much meat, it means someone ate not only their 72 kg, but also mine.
And this says that these statistics were a lie. Because a person cannot eat 140 kg of meat. That's almost half a kilo a day.

But the statistics didn’t “exist”, they still exist..... The meat could be sold for export. And when less was produced, they could import it.

We are talking about something else: about the fact that millions of people at first believed that “there is no meat.” And then they immediately believed that “there was suddenly a lot of everything” - although the situation from “there is nothing” to “there is everything” - changed over the course of about a week (!) at the beginning of 1992....

Such...eklmn...you can sneak anything into your head.... Because if there is no meat on the shelves, they think that there is no meat in the country at all.

That's why all the meat and stuff goes past the mouths of complete suckers. No matter what statistics

[mmaxx]

Meat is such a thing that when it is there, it is on the table. And when it’s not on the table, not in the refrigerator and not in the store, then it’s not there. No matter what statistics are given. I can't test it, but it tastes great.

[Alexander Rasmukhambetov]

If in the USSR there were such prices as now, it would probably be heaps of everything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yenisei and Tepsei]

Index box of matches. Cost 1 kopeck. Now you can’t buy it for 1 ruble. Another striking example is rent.

Now think about why they don’t make a denomination. Take her through now, all this will clearly come out. The kopeck has already been buried as a bargaining chip.

We are gradually moving towards prices in the mid-nineties. And they keep rubbing our ears about some kind of stability.

[_KM_]

In the world I often use the Big Mac or hamburger index. Assess purchasing power. If you believe the memories of eyewitnesses, then a hamburger in the USSR in 1990 cost 1 rub. 60 kopecks It's ok now. 160 rub.

[Yenisei and Tepsei]

I have no idea how much a hamburger cost in the USSR because it was not available to everyone. And even now I don’t know, because I don’t go to such taverns. And how long did the USSR last? Incorrect comparison. It's like comparing imported chewing gum at that time and now.

[_KM_]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Индекс_бигмака

[Dzerzhinsky]

In the USSR, most things and products were of high quality and of their own production, but what are they offering now? One Chinese and palm oil

[geologist]

In 1979, I was a student and often went hungry because... I spent a stipend of 40 rubles on stupid things - cinema, dancing, restaurants - in general, it was enough for a couple of days, and then it was swayed by the wind. In 1980, according to distribution, I got into coal and began to earn 10 times more, i.e. 400 rubles (chief specialist’s salary + bonuses), but still drank and went hungry until he got married and his wife took the reins of the economy into her own hands. The stores were empty, but from her parents’ dacha and home farm we ate better than now because... vegetables, meat, honey were of the highest quality. Today there is an abundance in stores and this is pleasing, but the old days were also wonderful in their own way. I really respect the author of the “Truth of Life” channel, but in my opinion arithmetic and economics are not his topic. I don’t even want to sort out the grossest mistakes. It turns out that my wife now receives a pension of about 24 rubles. old ones, and I, as an engineer, earned 1980 thousand rubles in 200 with new ones. It seems to me that he was mistaken at least 4 times.