Dmitry Puchkov: The population of Ukraine has been driven crazy

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Dmitry Puchkov: The population of Ukraine has been driven crazy

Russian publicist, blogger, screenwriter, writer, who at one time became widely known thanks to his translations of films, Dmitry Puchkov spoke about the impact on the consciousness of the audience in a constantly changing reality.

Puchkov recalled that in Soviet times there were no prerequisites for the infection of Ukraine with the virus of cave Nazism and Russophobia. At that time, all citizens of the great country were a single Soviet people, and in particular in Kirovograd, where he was born and spent his childhood, there was no division along national lines, and regional characteristics were expressed, perhaps, in cooking.



All the negative factors that can now be seen in modern Ukraine were artificially brought there from the West, and then carefully cultivated. During the Great Patriotic War, Ukrainian collaborators retreated to the West along with their German masters, after which they were carefully taken to the USA and Canada, where they were allowed to imbibe Ukrainian Nazism. After 1991 they were returned to Ukraine.

Modern Ukraine is a striking example of the processing of public consciousness. As is known, public consciousness cannot exist independently of the media. Everything that is happening in Ukraine is nothing more than a rehearsal for the methods of influencing mass consciousness that the West intends to subsequently apply to Russia. The West already spends about five billion dollars annually on processing the population of the Russian Federation. The US authorities at one time allocated significant amounts of money to carry out a coup in Ukraine. At the same time, local oligarchs Kolomoisky and Poroshenko, who owned TV channels, were actively engaged in fooling the population of this country, “brainwashing” Ukrainian citizens, while earning money, including from the West.

At one time, it took Hitler six years for the entire population of Germany to become imbued with Nazi ideology. However, he did not have television or the Internet. Using only newspapers and radio, the Nazis managed to literally drive almost the entire population of Germany crazy. In modern Ukraine, whose authorities have a full range of modern media resources, this process occurs much faster and more efficiently. The population of Ukraine was literally driven crazy.

The population of Ukraine has lost the ability to think rationally. No matter what, they blindly believe in the inevitable victory over Russia and the subsequent acquisition of Russian resources at their disposal, without realizing that, in fact, they are serving the interests of the West.

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  1. +4
    12 September 2023 10: 54
    Ukrainians ask for help from their occupiers - the EU and the USA, believing that they will be helped :)
    1. +1
      14 September 2023 12: 43
      -in SOVIET times there were no prerequisites.
      Nature abhors a vacuum, and neither does the head.
  2. +1
    12 September 2023 10: 55
    the goblin orc propagandist said correctly about Banderstadt wassat
  3. +4
    12 September 2023 10: 56
    Isn't that the case with us? Instead of Soviet ideology, they imposed religion and sprinkling ashes on the head for the crimes of the past. De-Sovietization, de-Stalinization, a single economic space from Vladivostok to Lisbon, etc., etc. Now the Kremlin is trying to create a cadavre, from the same religion and philosophy of Ilyin under the guise of a certain Russian genetic code. They are also trying to turn the Soviet past into some kind of religious message. The Yoper Theater, adults with memory, remember very well what our authorities did and are doing. There is no need to envy that someone succeeded, and someone sucks at something in their attempts.
    1. +9
      12 September 2023 11: 00
      Regardless of ideology and power, there has always been love for Russia and pride in the fact that you belong to the Russian people, and the swine-Ukrainians betrayed this. They have the commandant of Kyiv “Orlik” who drove people to Babi Yar as a hero.
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 11: 06
        Regardless of ideology and power, there has always been love for Russia and pride in the fact that you belong to the Russian people, and the swine-Ukrainians betrayed this. They have the commandant of Kyiv “Orlik” who drove people to Babi Yar as a hero.


        Have you forgotten about this? The jingoistic patriots applauded. Everything is within the framework of the ideology of capitalist Russia.

        It’s good that there are still a lot of Soviet people in our city.
        1. -2
          12 September 2023 11: 29
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          Regardless of ideology and power, there has always been love for Russia and pride in the fact that you belong to the Russian people, and the swine-Ukrainians betrayed this. They have the commandant of Kyiv “Orlik” who drove people to Babi Yar as a hero.


          Have you forgotten about this? The jingoistic patriots applauded. Everything is within the framework of the ideology of capitalist Russia.

          It’s good that there are still a lot of Soviet people in our city.

          The role of Mannerheim was appreciated a long time ago by Stalin, when he crossed him out of the lists of Nuremberg. They wouldn't even notice.
          But no, Stalin left Mannerheim to live according to some of his plans...
          1. +4
            12 September 2023 12: 04
            The role of Mannerheim was appreciated a long time ago by Stalin, when he crossed him out of the lists of Nuremberg. They wouldn't even notice.
            But no, Stalin left Mannerheim to live according to some of his plans...


            The fact that they did not make him a war criminal did not exclude him from the list of enemies.
            1. +5
              12 September 2023 13: 07
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              The fact that they did not make him a war criminal did not exclude him from the list of enemies.

              For Finland's exit from the war, Stalin did not make “old Man” an enemy, but demanded 7 generals from him, who were condemned.
            2. +2
              12 September 2023 13: 29
              Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
              The role of Mannerheim was appreciated a long time ago by Stalin, when he crossed him out of the lists of Nuremberg. They wouldn't even notice.
              But no, Stalin left Mannerheim to live according to some of his plans...


              The fact that they did not make him a war criminal did not exclude him from the list of enemies.

              Eliminated. Otherwise, there would have been no diplomatic meetings with him after the war.
              And yes, all the leaders of countries who were considered enemies in the socialist camp after the war were activated. God himself ordered to activate the one who fought against.
              So this is an act of pardon from Stalin to him..
              We can think as we please - Stalin decided so. If Mannerheim had been hanged in Nuremberg, no one would have been surprised or interceded...
              1. -2
                12 September 2023 14: 35
                Eliminated. Otherwise, there would have been no diplomatic meetings with him after the war.


                Diplomatic meetings with enemies are common practice. So your answer is not an argument.
                1. -1
                  12 September 2023 16: 13
                  Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                  Eliminated. Otherwise, there would have been no diplomatic meetings with him after the war.

                  Diplomatic meetings with enemies simple practice. So your answer is not an argument.

                  In our country, yes.
                  We started gasifying Europe earlier - than our own country.
                  In 1986 - 6% gasification of rural areas in the USSR (including almost 1.4% with bottled gas) versus 30% gasification of villages in Germany. Well, why not gasify NATO - what then, what now?
                  Supplies of goods went to Finland - which was still Mannerheim's - and in general Finland was singled out - by pouring money into it, they made it a model of "peaceful coexistence of two systems" ...
                  What was the use of Finland to the USSR - besides ships? The ships were good, but for the same thing verbatim Nowadays they criticize the state...
                  It’s some kind of vicious circle, we’ve been following the same rake for centuries....
                  1. +3
                    12 September 2023 18: 56

                    In our country, yes.
                    We started gasifying Europe earlier - than our own country.
                    In 1986 - 6% gasification of rural areas in the USSR (including almost 1.4% with bottled gas) versus 30% gasification of villages in Germany.


                    Do you know how to think with your own head, or just repeat mantras from TV? Look at the same Kostroma region, evaluate the size of rural settlements and their spread. How was it possible to gasify them?
                    1. +1
                      13 September 2023 11: 22
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

                      In our country, yes.
                      We started gasifying Europe earlier - than our own country.
                      In 1986 - 6% gasification of rural areas in the USSR (including almost 1.4% with bottled gas) versus 30% gasification of villages in Germany.


                      Do you know how to think with your own head, or just mantra repeat from TV? Look at the same Kostroma region, evaluate the size of rural settlements and their spread. How was it possible to gasify them?

                      lol lol lol
                      And this NOT MINE the mantra is the mantra of the sufferers of the USSR.
                      Like, “Now the damned aligarchs are exporting the people’s property instead of gasifying the country, but under the USSR...”.
                      And yes - now there is much more gasification than in the USSR during the same period in the RSFSR.
          2. +6
            12 September 2023 17: 03
            Stalin appreciated the role of Mannerheim a long time ago when he crossed him off the Nuremberg lists.


            Especially considering that he never did this and could not do it. In Nuremberg, only figures of Nazi Germany were tried, and Mannerheim was a citizen of Finland and thus could not be tried at this trial. He could only be convicted in a separate trial.

            The Red Army could not capture all of Finland in a week, and even more so was rushing to the West, to Berlin. Continuing the war with Finland would mean a big delay on the Soviet-German front and therefore the best solution was to conclude a peace treaty.

            And such an agreement was proposed by Mannerheim himself, realizing his plight. And one of the conditions for discussing such an agreement was personal integrity, which is logical. Therefore, there was no separate Finnish trial of Mannerheim.

            The role of Mannerheim has long been appreciated by historians, including Soviet ones. The fact that he was able to “get away with it” does not in any way negate his actions. This character not only fought against the USSR, he was a direct participant in the genocide in the USSR.

            PS Before referring to the Nuremberg trials, it is still worth reading a brief summary of who was tried there and why. There is no need to repeat the theses of Ukrainian propaganda that since Bandera and the UPA were not recognized as criminals in Nuremberg, then they are not criminals.
            1. +2
              13 September 2023 11: 36
              Quote: rait
              The Red Army could not capture all of Finland in a week, and even more so was rushing to the West, to Berlin.

              Nobody says "instead of" Berlin - everyone says "after"
              The forces of the Kwantung Army, significantly larger in area, number and with approximately similar weapons, were defeated within a month.
              Taking into account the fact that after the capture of Berlin and the surrender of the Reich, there was no need to even relocate the spacecraft.
              So it has long been calculated that they would have taken it in a week - KA was the standard army at that time.
              Well, 10 days maximum.
              Quote: rait
              he was a direct participant in the genocide in the USSR.
              - nevertheless, the USSR was quite friendly with him. Despite the genocide...
              1. -1
                13 September 2023 16: 50
                That is, you propose to leave hostile Finland in the rear of the Red Army? That is, leave forces at the front with Finland? The very forces that are needed for the war with Germany and of which, as far as I know, there were few, to put it mildly. The war bled the entire USSR, including the Red Army.

                The forces of the Kwantung Army, significantly larger in area, number and with approximately similar weapons, were defeated within a month.


                The Kwantung Army had “similar weapons”?! belay

                So it has long been calculated that they would have taken it in a week - KA was the standard army at that time.
                Well, 10 days maximum.


                Something reminds me of it ...

                PS It’s expected that you didn’t object to Nürnberg.
    2. +8
      12 September 2023 11: 06
      SOVIET past, a person who chose the Soviet way of life, the main enemy of the current ruling class, both in our country and everywhere, all over the world.
      1. +9
        12 September 2023 11: 33
        Quote: rocket757
        SOVIET past, a person who chose the Soviet way of life, the main enemy of the current ruling class, both in our country and everywhere, all over the world.

        Only now there are fewer and fewer Soviet people every year. We are the generation of 1970 - 1973, the last who were born, studied and worked under the USSR and remember our country. And the younger the generation, the less memory.
    3. +4
      12 September 2023 11: 06
      At one time, Gorbachev needed six years for the entire population of the USSR to become imbued with bourgeois ideology.
      Until now, many people hate their homeland, the USSR.
      1. +4
        12 September 2023 11: 36
        About “many people hate their homeland”... but how many are there really? Where are the data, numbers, facts?
        Really... you can isolate three states - love, indifference, hate.
        How many people are there right now???
      2. +4
        12 September 2023 13: 09
        Strange ...
        But they “hate”, or rather despise, those who are now 25-35 years old.
        And in Ukraine, they suffered the most from the “Holodomor” and the “bloody NKVD”
        1. +1
          12 September 2023 13: 45
          “Young overage”... this was brought up in the “hard years”, they absorbed the worst that was lying under their feet, floating in the air... in general, normal, smart people stepped over it and brushed it aside, which was the most reasonable thing then , and always, in general.
      3. +1
        12 September 2023 16: 53
        Quote: Gardamir
        At one time, Gorbachev needed six years for the entire population of the USSR to become imbued with bourgeois ideology.
        Until now, many people hate their homeland, the USSR.

        Don’t you think it’s strange - that 300 million was enough for 1 General Secretary and 6 years to get into it? a stranger ideology yes so 30 later
        Quote: Gardamir
        many hate their homeland, the USSR.
        ??
        Hitler, for example, re-educated his own people in about 6 years, but there was a plundered country, general poverty and general hatred of the enemies of Germany...
        Or did the United States give us snickering CPSU officials? They are ours, our dear ones...
        And nothing has changed...
        1. 0
          12 September 2023 17: 34
          You are right, nothing has changed, now too...
        2. +2
          12 September 2023 19: 03
          Don’t you think it’s strange - that 300 million was enough for 1 General Secretary and 6 years to become imbued with someone else’s ideology, and so 30 years later


          And why be surprised, most people are easily suggestible and do not bother themselves with critical thinking. You are also an example of this.
          Did they openly call for a change in ideology and economic formation under Gorbachev? No, on the contrary, there were official calls for ways to improve our economy. The propaganda of capitalism went between the lines, demonstrating how well they live there.
          Therefore, when the Russian authorities took a course towards a market economy, the electorate was ready, they hoped for the best.
          1. +1
            13 September 2023 11: 50
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            You are also an example of this.

            Critical thinking says - what if
            Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
            The propaganda of capitalism went between the lines, demonstrating how well they live there.
            then at least ALL The ideological apparatus of the CPSU is several tens of thousands of people to begin with. TV, newspapers, security forces and so on on an increasing scale.
            Moreover, precisely because of my opinion, it is obvious to me that by this time the people were tired of lies and were ready to give up ideology in exchange for clothes and the opportunity to eat.
            Well, “hatskray” and “Let Moscow think, but we ourselves will live”
      4. +2
        12 September 2023 19: 06
        Not 6 years, but 30 - after the death of Stalin, the country was essentially gradually transferred to capitalist footing - and the party from communist became anti-communist, and the Soviet people anti-Soviet.
        1. +1
          13 September 2023 11: 54
          Quote: Maxim G
          Not 6 years, but 30 - after the death of Stalin, the country was essentially gradually transferred to capitalist footing - and the party from communist became anti-communist, and the Soviet people anti-Soviet.

          If this were so, it would indicate absolute unviability system as such. 30 years old and it started to die
          1. 0
            13 September 2023 17: 29
            Quote: your1970
            If this were so, it would indicate the absolute unviability of the system as such. 30 years and it began to die

            You have your own alternative history.
            With a “non-viable” system dying, it launched “Buran”.
    4. 0
      20 September 2023 13: 37
      Quote: Smoked
      for the crimes of the past

      Which ones?
      Wherever you look - fables sucked from the fingertips at best.
      It’s just that, against the backdrop of these fables, the current “White Guards” don’t look so crap.
  4. +3
    12 September 2023 10: 56
    Dim Yuryevich, as always, looks to the root. Let them all die as one for Washington.
  5. +7
    12 September 2023 11: 01
    Puchkov recalled that in Soviet times there were no prerequisites for the infection of Ukraine with the virus of cave Nazism and Russophobia.

    Gyyy. Those who served during the USSR, please tell Puchkov about the Westerners in the USSR army. Well, at least.
    In general, with Zapukria and Ukraine in general, and especially with Triboltika - the USSR stepped on the same rake that the Republic of Ingushetia did with Poland and Finland... In Ukraine - there was forced Ukrainization, just remember the standards for printing books (where the hell buy Azimov - but It’s lying around in Ukrainian, but it’s true that you’ll just lie laughing to read it). And from Triboltika they made a showcase for the USSR with a special status. Now we are reaping that they are superhumans, and so are the Russians.
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 11: 13
      All this is easily explained by “Great Russian chauvinism”, elevated to the rank of a religious dogma in the USSR, because Russians must repent for centuries of oppression of foreigners and, most importantly, PAY!! Pay and repent.. This is quite normal for the communist millionaire Goblin.
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 12: 53
        Sorry ...
        somehow I couldn’t put together the image of a “repentant chauvinist.”
        Explain how this is?
        1. -2
          12 September 2023 20: 29
          Everything is extremely simple. Russians pay and pay and pay.. Which was implemented in the USSR..
          1. +1
            12 September 2023 21: 27
            Everything is extremely simple. Russians pay and pay and pay.. Which was implemented in the USSR..


            Forgive me, but due to the nature of my service in the union, I was quite shaken up. Therefore, I can say your card is a remake of the liberals who destroyed the USSR. And it has nothing to do with reality.
            And they pay us now, essentially free of charge, for the state by supplying resources abroad.
            1. -1
              14 September 2023 07: 45
              I also traveled around the USSR and my memory does not let me down, and I was born in the Non-Black Earth Region, although in a city with very difficult production, and this map fully confirms what I saw, how people live in the RSFSR and in other “oppressed” republics. So that you are simply lying like the red millionaire Goblin, and now we have a standard of living that we have never even dreamed of in the USSR, so the big question is what and to whom we are paying now.
    2. +1
      12 September 2023 13: 03
      nationalism in the USSR was a rudiment.
      Often, this took anecdotal forms.
      If you already touched on the SA, then Westerners and Hungarians, and Balts with Caucasians, and Uighurs and Tajiks and even a Korean served with me.
      But the measure of everything was their education and upbringing.
      The special appeal of June 86 is a triumph of the idea of ​​​​friendship of peoples in the USSR.
      To completely eradicate the legacy of nationalism and chauvinism, the Union lacked another two or three generations
      1. +2
        12 September 2023 13: 32
        Quote: Red Biker
        June Special Summon 86 year, this is the triumph of the idea of ​​​​friendship of peoples in the USSR.
        To completely eradicate the legacy of nationalism and chauvinism, the Union lacked another two or three generations

        Yeah...and in 1988 Ternopil people told me about “Ridna Nenka feeds the whole union!!” and by the way, "SUGS" - but it was not yet heard
      2. +4
        12 September 2023 13: 34
        Quote: Red Biker
        But the measure of everything was their education and upbringing.

        Don’t make a hunchback, I’m not 20 years old either. Remind you of the educated? Professor Vakarchuk, who is the eldest? To whom the USSR gave everything, up to and including parliamentary office, and who then began to carry such cruel crap that all nations come from the Carpathians, only Russians from the Finno-Ugric peoples? Or Faryonsha, who taught the “basics”? Will you tell me about what was used as a yardstick there? Ivano Franko Institute in Lviv? Or maybe it’s not education that’s to blame, but at least salting these Westerners there with the full conviction that “mother-Austria” and Muscovites are not even animals at all? And here Puchkov creates such a blizzard that nothing like this ever happened!
        And also - for a Westerner you are “almost a person”, but I am not at all, so your example is not very
    3. +1
      12 September 2023 13: 09
      Quote from Bingo
      And from Triboltika they made a showcase for the USSR with a special status.

      Yes, we lived in the Baltic states as under communism.
    4. -2
      12 September 2023 19: 09
      Gyyy. Those who served during the USSR, please tell Puchkov about the Westerners in the USSR army. Well, at least.


      Well? I served, so I can say that all sorts of things happened. And among Westerners, and among the Baltic states, and among Russians.
      Did you serve in the same ZabVO? So there were plenty of Semyonov’s fans there, and how are they better than Bandera’s followers?
      It was safer to walk through Lvov in uniform than through Mogocha.
      And the recent incident at the Nerchinsk Plant shows that little has changed there, but the Russians are damn it.
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  6. +9
    12 September 2023 11: 01
    in particular, in Kirovograd, where he was born and spent his childhood, there was no division along national lines, and regional characteristics were expressed, perhaps, in cooking.

    Even in Kirovograd there was a state. and everyday anti-Semitism, negative attitudes towards Gypsies, Caucasians, and Asians.
    All the negative factors that can now be seen in modern Ukraine were artificially brought there from the West, and then carefully cultivated.

    All the negative factors that can now be seen in modern Ukraine were artificially brought there with Western Ukraine(!), and then carefully grown.
    In the Western region, even Eastern Ukrainians were considered unreal, because they were not Catholics, but Zmoskalen Zradnyks.
  7. +5
    12 September 2023 11: 03
    The population of Ukraine has lost the ability to think rationally. No matter what, they blindly believe in the inevitable victory over Russia and the subsequent acquisition of Russian resources at their disposal, without realizing that, in fact, they are serving the interests of the West.
    Propaganda most often relies on the basest instincts of a person; accordingly, a person is raised into a non-human.
    Nothing new, in general... the methods are still the same, only there are more means and methods of “infection”.
    1. +5
      12 September 2023 11: 38
      Quote: rocket757
      Propaganda most often relies on the basest human instincts

      Hitler liked to call the people a mass - “and a mass must be treated like a woman, and a woman willingly submits to force. And there is no point in counting on the minds of the masses, you need to influence their simplest feelings.”
      1. +1
        12 September 2023 11: 42
        A woman... you can elevate yourself more, you can elevate yourself.
        ... you can drop below the plinth, but then who are you/are you becoming?
        In general, THERE IS ALWAYS A CHOICE AND A PERSON MAKES IT HIMSELF!
      2. 0
        19 September 2023 07: 07
        "there is no point in relying on the intelligence of the masses"
        A crowd is always dumber than the dumbest person in it.
  8. +7
    12 September 2023 11: 05
    At one time, it took Hitler six years for the entire population of Germany to become imbued with Nazi ideology.

    The roots of Ukrainian Bandera Nazism are much deeper.
    Since the time of the Great Schism, when the Prince of Galicia received the crown from the Pope. This is already a genetic code.
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 12: 48
      Volyn and even Galicia were to a very large extent Russian and Orthodox even before WWI.
      First the Austrians “cleaned up”, then the Poles and Nazis continued.
      So, the reference to the events of 800 years ago is more emotional than it reflects the essence.
      1. 0
        19 September 2023 07: 26
        P.N. Durnovo, in his note to the Empire before WWII, wrote: “Exactly the same thing applies to Galicia. It is clearly unprofitable for us, in the name of the idea of ​​national sentimentalism, to annex to our fatherland a region that has lost all living connection with it. After all, an insignificant handful of Russians in the spirit of the Galicians, how many Poles, Jews, Ukrainized Uniates will we get? The so-called Ukrainian or Mazepa movement is not scary in our country now, but it should not be allowed to grow, increasing the number of restless Ukrainian elements, since in this movement there is an undoubted germ of extremely dangerous Little Russian separatism , under favorable conditions, can reach completely unexpected sizes.
  9. +1
    12 September 2023 11: 17
    During the Great Patriotic War, Ukrainian collaborators retreated to the West along with their German masters, after which they were carefully taken to the USA and Canada, where they were allowed to imbibe Ukrainian Nazism. After 1991 they were returned to Ukraine.

    I mostly agree with the author!
    But this does not stand up to criticism!
    How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?
    Eh, the author?
    1. +7
      12 September 2023 11: 58
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?

      Well, here's an example of Viktor Medvedchuk. Victor’s grandfather on his parent’s side, under the fascist occupiers, headed a wing of a certain united group of young Ukrainians of a nationalist persuasion.
      Dad participated in the OUN after spending 8 years in the Krasnoyarsk region, where Vitya was born. In 1975, the family returned to Ukraine. The grandson has not forgotten either the words of his grandfather or the fate of his father and continues their work. I could name other names of those who had the same fate, but no one knows them, but they all remained adherents of their grandfathers and fathers.
    2. +2
      12 September 2023 12: 16
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      I mostly agree with the author!
      But this does not stand up to criticism!
      How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?
      Eh, the author?
      It’s okay, they will repeat it 50 times using all sorts of irons, and it will be an irrefutable fact, known to everyone since childhood. It was possible to convince everyone that in Ukrainian textbooks they write about ancient Ukrainians.
      1. +2
        12 September 2023 14: 00
        Quote: Commissar Kitten
        Quote: your vsr 66-67
        I mostly agree with the author!
        But this does not stand up to criticism!
        How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?
        Eh, the author?
        It’s okay, they will repeat it 50 times using all sorts of irons, and it will be an irrefutable fact, known to everyone since childhood. It was possible to convince everyone that in Ukrainian textbooks they write about ancient Ukrainians.

        Count on a “calculator” if you can’t with your fingers - if he was born in 1927 at the end of the war he was 18, in 1991 he was - scary to think!! - as many as 64 belay year.
        And those who were born in 1930 and ran as messengers into the forest to the Banderaites were even younger
      2. 0
        13 September 2023 16: 57
        Quote: Commissar Kitten
        It’s okay, they will repeat it 50 times using all sorts of irons, and it will be an irrefutable fact, known to everyone since childhood. It was possible to convince everyone that in Ukrainian textbooks they write about ancient Ukrainians.

        It looks like the iron is actually in your head. Not only did your 1970 tell you, but you also forgot about the children of these Banderaites, and they were brought up in the same spirit!!!
    3. +4
      12 September 2023 12: 30
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?

      Their children and grandchildren returned and continued the work of their grandfathers and fathers. In 1957, when Khrushchev sent my parents to exiles from Harbin to Semipalatinsk, I was sent to the Chita region. to my great-grandfather. At that time, about a dozen families of OUN members lived in our village after serving time and received a “slap in the horns”; by this time they had already settled down, the children went to school, but all the adults, as well as the children, still had this spirit and hatred of the Soviet regime . The adults began to “behave” (to put it mildly), then our men called a general meeting and offered two options: those who want to live like human beings - live, those who don’t want to leave, or we’ll figure it out. Several families remained, although “theirs” remained in their blood, but they did not misbehave, they lived separately, and in Gorbachev’s times they left for Ukraine with the exception of one family, and even then it was mixed.
    4. +1
      12 September 2023 14: 03
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      How old were the collaborators during the Second World War, and how old were they in 1991, when they were returned to Ukraine again?
      Eh, the author?

      Born in 1927 - in 1945 18 years old - in 1991 64 belay of the year...
      Not 200 or 100 years
  10. +2
    12 September 2023 11: 18
    Slavs live in Poland, the genetic code is the same as that of the Russians, “almost brothers!”, but no one ALREADY considers them brothers. They recoded consciousness a very long time ago. Now it’s the same with Zaukria. We, we need to understand THIS, and erase, like the Poles, from the Ukrainian brothers. It will immediately become easier without such a burden.
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    2. +5
      12 September 2023 12: 49
      Quote: Sancho da Vinca
      Slavs live in Poland, the genetic code is the same as that of the Russians, “almost brothers!”, but no one ALREADY considers them brothers.

      How many years have passed since the founder of the Polish state, Mieszko I, became the prince of the Polans in the city of Gniezno in 960. This is the first prince of Poland, known from historical sources. More than 1000 years later, everything changed, although until 1240 the glades and the Russians lived peacefully and even opposed the enemies together. But after the Tatar invasion, Poland rose in power, and Rus' disintegrated for some time, the Poles felt themselves in power, they had an arrogant nobility. From then on, things went well. Although if we take Poles and Russians in terms of the life of ordinary people and communication, then I don’t notice much of a difference, the mentality is the same. It was much more difficult to communicate in Cherkasy and Zhitomir.
    3. 0
      20 September 2023 13: 45
      So the whole Indo-European language group is “brothers”, in who knows what tribe.
      In short, this is not an argument.
      The same Vietnamese, Korean (naturally northern), Syrian - a bigger brother to the Russians than the Pole. Well, Belarus is beyond competition.
      For “By their fruits you will know them.” (the fruits of their works).
  11. +4
    12 September 2023 11: 20
    If Dmitry Yuryevich, who has a sharp mind, did not understand the essence of what happened in Ukraine...
    What can we say about the fattened “Moscow experts” who prepared the SVO
    Ukrainians were caught in the bait of the sweet life in Europe.
    It took a long time to prepare.
    First there was “Polubotok’s gold” and “Ukraine feeds everyone” - they swallowed it...
    Then, having lowered the standard of living, they opened the borders a little.
    The flow of cars and junk again aroused the desire to be closer to those places where there is plenty of this.
    Russia, at this time, was writhing under Yeltsin and bleeding in the Caucasus..
    Then there was the first Maidan in 2004, and from that moment on, the West began to work with Ukraine systematically and thoughtfully.
    Unlike the Russian leadership.
    After the second Maidan, they threw the “visa-free” die, i.e. actually opened their European labor and junk market.
    At the same time, they systematically suppressed Russian culture in all its manifestations and banned education in Russian.
    And the last and most important bait for the rogue is the massive distribution of land and private property, specifically to the Zelenskys before the war.
    Those. Rogul is now literally fighting for HIS own land, not Ukrainian land.
    Today, it must be admitted, the most hopelessly weak links in the Russian state system are wretched propaganda and worthless narcissistic analysts.
    1. +4
      12 September 2023 11: 48
      If you look at everything more carefully, you will find enough, you will see people who describe the process of destruction of the USSR, the process of degradation of the population, the process of betrayal by the governing elite and everything else, they describe it not as primitively as they are now trying to tell us!
      That is, everything you wrote about fits perfectly, as part, into their more detailed description of events that have already happened and will continue to happen.
      1. +3
        12 September 2023 12: 27
        I agree with you. The Russian land is full of the smartest people.
        But they are NOT needed by the form of government that seized power in Russia 30 years ago.
        Those. for the benefit of the state and the people, these people seem to not exist.
        In the meantime, purchases of Russian gas have jumped in Europe
        and the issue of supplying long-range missiles for the Ukrainian Wehrmacht is being resolved with Europe.
        No matter what the war is like now, such experts are in demand.
  12. +1
    12 September 2023 11: 51
    If you look at the beginning, course of hostilities and the end of WWII, an interesting conclusion arises...
    As you know, the warring armies consisted mainly of patriotic young people armed with small arms. During the fighting, an interesting idea took hold of the mass consciousness: “Each member of society is responsible for his own destiny and the fate of society.” However, during WWII, a new thesis, “The art of war and technological progress determine the outcome of the war,” became wild.” Subsequent generations have lost their subjectivity - Ukraine is a vivid example of this.
    Sincerely
  13. +2
    12 September 2023 12: 37
    They bought the country's population with generous promises of salaries and pensions............
    1. +1
      12 September 2023 13: 11
      Quote: APASUS
      They bought the country's population with generous promises of salaries and pensions

      And most importantly, the promises of Western trycels!
      1. 0
        12 September 2023 21: 30
        And most importantly, the promises of Western trycels!


        So what, this electorate was not fooled by the promise of Western trysels?
  14. -1
    12 September 2023 12: 55
    Quote: rocket757
    About “many people hate their homeland”... but how many are there really? Where are the data, numbers, facts?
    Really... you can isolate three states - love, indifference, hate.
    How many people are there right now???

    Why these demagogic questions? Or do you think that NOW it is possible to collect real data on this topic and publish real numbers?
  15. 0
    12 September 2023 13: 07
    They were driven crazy by their ugly and destructive capelin. All the evil is in her.
  16. -1
    12 September 2023 13: 11
    It is strange that Dmitry Puchkov did not say a word about the Chernobyl accident, especially about the consequences of a powerful release of radiation into the atmosphere, the burning of a nuclear reaction in the open air, as well as the subsequent impact of the products of burning a nuclear fire on all types of human health, from physical to mental at all levels not only on the territory of the Ukrainian SSR but also in other countries according to the wind rose, which the wind blew freshness and vigor for many generations. Also why the territory of the former Ukrainian SSR is now called territory 404 request
  17. 0
    12 September 2023 19: 27
    The society built in the USSR is and will be for centuries a model of social justice for all generations of Russians, and all peoples of the world. Yes, there were chips, they had to be cut, otherwise there would have been no victory in the war against Nazi Germany and its numerous satellites from all over Europe. And now there are an order of magnitude more of these chips, why don’t we chop them? Europe has again united against centuries-old Orthodox Rus', how long will we watch it being poured with slop from the inside and outside by the enemies of the people, revived by Yeltsin, Chubais and others like them?
  18. +1
    12 September 2023 20: 49
    The population of Ukraine has lost the ability to think rationally.
    How are we doing with this ourselves?!
    ps This is clearly visible even from many comments... winked
  19. +1
    12 September 2023 21: 00
    There are peoples in the world with an ancient history, and there are relatively young ones. They are the ones who fall for the bait of more developed cultures.

    Who will deceive the Jews?
    But they are smart not because they have more convolutions, but because everyone has already “been there” once.....

    The culture of the people is not Dostoevsky and Leo Tolstoy. These are folk stereotypes and traditions of relationships and everyday preferences. There are sane ones, there are absolutely idiotic ones.... But among the ancient peoples there is much less idiotic.
    1. 0
      13 September 2023 08: 59
      The most obvious reasoning.
      Jews are united by the Torah, which indicates where, how, with whom, under what circumstances to act, and to live themselves. Then we must not forget that they are God’s chosen people and, despite their apostasy, God fulfills his promise to them.
      1. 0
        20 September 2023 13: 55
        Strictly speaking not JEWS а Judea.
        If a Jew is an atheist, Muslim or Orthodox, he does not cease to be a Jew.
        But there will be no trace of any Torah there.
      2. 0
        27 September 2023 05: 47
        Quote: Vladimir Vladimir_3
        The most obvious reasoning.
        Jews are united by the Torah, where e.

        I explain to you WHY Jews are united by the Torah, but Russians cannot be united by anything in 1000 years. But you cannot understand this.
        Because the Jews have been taught life for 3000 years... But the Russians seem to have missed the train.
    2. 0
      13 September 2023 09: 01
      But regarding Dostoevsky and others like him, you got carried away.
      If their works were studied, then, you see, maybe the population would be smarter, more reasonable...
      1. -1
        27 September 2023 05: 37
        I tried to explain to you why the Russians did not study Dostoevsky, and you immediately rush to criticism...
        Jews have become smarter because life has taught them...
      2. -1
        27 September 2023 05: 37
        I tried to explain to you why the Russians did not study Dostoevsky, and you immediately rush to criticism...
        Jews have become smarter because life has taught them...
        1. -1
          27 September 2023 05: 44
          Quote: ivan2022
          I tried to explain to you why the Russians did not study Dostoevsky, and you immediately rush to criticism...
          Jews have become smarter because life has taught them...

          Well, come on again. Three is said to be a lucky number wassat
  20. 0
    13 September 2023 08: 46
    The question is - where was the leadership of Russia, why were worthless people like Chernomyrdin and Zurabov appointed as leaders?! Why didn’t the corresponding cultural structures work, on migration policy, on interethnic relations, etc.?!
    The answer is - because the authorities of Russia and Ukraine were preoccupied with the plunder of the Soviet heritage!
  21. +2
    13 September 2023 09: 22
    Everything is similar for us.
    Only in contrast to them were the “Russian marches” pressed. And the country is larger, the mineral resources are richer.
    And volunteers with Nazi tattoos - “that’s different.” Politicized films, monuments to Kolchak and Wrangel, suppressed leftists, the ruined “Russian Spring”, PR for Ilyin, Solzhenitsyn and the like.

    And the rest is similar. Stability. Export of resources for "beads". Poorer population and richer oligarchs. Population extinction. "ours" everything. Inviolability of power, etc.
  22. +1
    13 September 2023 12: 19
    I remember very well how everything happened before and after the Maidan. Famous personalities - showbiz, actors, football players, etc. - voiced their pro-Ukrainian stubbornness from the screens. and very quickly this position became fashionable among young people
  23. +1
    14 September 2023 21: 04
    Since 1992, the population of Ukraine has been fooled by the authorities as best they can - one corruption scandal followed another. Prime Minister P. Lazarenko even ended up in prison in the USA and lost all his financial assets. Even the “Gas Princess” appeared - Yu.V. Timoshenko, etc. But as soon as the power structures could not share something, they gathered the people, organized the Maidan and shouted “GET OUT.” They didn’t shout Get only under L. Kravchuk. I think that’s why the United States chose Ukraine to confront Russia - corrupt government, thieving business and stupid people, intoxicated by fascist ideology
  24. 0
    6 October 2023 09: 59
    Puchkov recalled that in Soviet times there were no prerequisites for the infection of Ukraine with the virus of cave Nazism and Russophobia.
    Sorry, I didn’t read further, but I’ll comment. Short.
    LIAR.