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New sharp turns in the Oboronservis case: an agenda for Anatoly Serdyukov

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New sharp turns in the Oboronservis case: an agenda for Anatoly SerdyukovOur regular readers will say: “But what is this! Every day Serdyukov, then Oboronservis, then Oboronservis, and Serdyukov ”. Well, what can you do when the number of reasons to mention the ex-Minister of Defense and the departments under his control not only does not decrease, but on the contrary grows. We have here already begun to believe that the information wave associated with corruption in the higher echelons of power, according to the strange laws of the genre, will come to naught at the end of the year. But it was not there! Information bursts, which in some places resemble either newspaper “ducks”, or games of investigation, began to appear regularly in the media space of Russia.


One of these outbursts of information was the speech of the investigator for particularly important cases of the Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation Mr. Gharibyan not anywhere, but on the most "democratized" radio station - Echo of Moscow. Even before Petros Garibyan began his story about the investigative activities, the Echo listeners were bewildered and wondered what the representative of the RF IC did at their radio station, and what he might know and tell about the investigative affairs ... Now, if instead of Garibyan Someone more “competent” came - Garry Kasparov, for example, or Lyudmila Alekseeva with Mrs. Novodvorskaya, so that would be much more informative. And so ...

Obviously, realizing that being on a “democratized” radio station imposes its imprint on the invited guest, Petros Garibyan also decided to amuse the audience with very liberal statements - well, so that the radio receivers would not be thrown at the wall and the radio tape recorders out of their cars would not be pulled out of sinful business. The essence of the liberal statements of investigator Garibyan was that he decided to declare the possible involvement of ex-minister Anatoly Serdyukov in a corruption scandal around Oboronservis. As they say, suddenly! ..

All around, before Garibyan’s speech, they had already begun to think that it would not be possible to hear anything like this from the representative of the SC, but Garibyan dispelled doubts about the existence of internal democracy within the Investigative Committee ...

However, especially liberal students of the Echo of Moscow radio station and readers of publications who, in the blink of an eye, replicated the words of the investigator about the possible direct participation of Serdyukov in corruption schemes, did not have time to indulge in euphoria, did not have time for everyone else to think that in the corruption case we have all is not lost, as information from a somewhat different character came from the Investigative Committee.

After a very short time after the speech of Petros Gharibyan, the spokesman for the UK Mr. Markin (the one who recently appears on TV screens) was forced to take the floor. Vladimir Markin hastened to explain to the public, which had already begun to feel the smell of roast, that the words of investigator Gharibyan should not have been taken so closely to the heart. The fact is that Mr. Garibyan himself, it turns out, has nothing to do with the investigation concerning the Oboronservis case, and therefore his opinion is strictly private and has nothing to do with official information from the RF IC. In general, what Garibyan said about Serdyukov’s involvement in economic crimes when he was defense minister should be considered unrelated to the case file. Like this!

Based on this, it can even be assumed that representatives of the IC as a background of the investigative work still listened to the performance of their colleague on the radio station Ekho Moskvy, and as soon as his words were heard that Serdyukov could be guilty, they immediately muffled the sound of radio receivers they began to look around and quietly “sesmessi” Gharibyan, so that he would not get too absorbed by the liberality of the site where he was ...

At about the same time, when the frankness of an individual investigator reached a peak, it was reported that the embezzlements and “arrears” revealed earlier in the Ministry of Defense during the period they were run by Anatoly Serdyukov are not unique. Main Military Prosecutor's Office on its official website posted information on the opening of new facts of embezzlement of budget funds, which were supposed to be mastered by the Ministry of Defense. The facts of theft are related to the activities of such a company as “Security and Communication”, which in the last couple of months became widely known due to a series of corruption scandals in the main military department. Recall the company is headed by Mr. Elkin, to which the investigators and prosecutors have certain complaints.

According to the GVP, the office of Elkina was involved in the fact that about 288 million rubles were spent in excess of the norm for the cleaning and maintenance of the buildings of the Military Academy of the General Staff of the Russian Federation. The Department of Defense Ministry of Defense in the person of Mr. Trunin transferred the funds to the company of Mr. Elkin, which was supposed to serve the complex of buildings of the said facility. At the same time, it turned out that the transfer of funds took place precisely to the Security and Communication company, because the competitive principles were designated in such a way that the company headed by Yelkin and no other could fit the parameters specified in them. And as soon as the contract was concluded, “additional” outbuildings, ventilation networks and other objects, which were either not even mentioned or dismantled a number of years ago, began to appear in the buildings of the Military Academy.

The prosecutor’s inspection concluded that the commercial company was carrying out cleaning and maintenance of the buildings of the Military Academy of the General Staff at a price four times higher (at the time of 2010 of the year) than the price of similar services of the model of 2009 of the year. Either 400% inflation hit the department, or the academy began, excuse me, to walk under that kind of money ... In general, I identified the fact of GVP theft. Recall that this is not the first embezzlement associated with the name of Elkin, who, in addition to the company Security and Communication, was also directly related to OJSC Slavyanka (one of the structures of Oboronservis).
Only a very strange phrase was used by the prosecutor Fridinsky, declaring the criminal activity of Slavyanka OJSC. Here is a quote by S.N. Fridinsky:

“For the last two years, Slavyanka OJSC has surely turned into a tool for laundering budget money worth hundreds of millions of rubles.”


What do the words “laundering of budget funds” mean in this phrase? And really budget funds in our country are so cunningly earned that they also need to be laundered ... Let's hope that the prosecutor did make a mistake and should have used the phrase “to steal budget funds”.

Another information splash of recent times, which has made a lot of noise, is unverified information about the disappearance of former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov. A variety of media ("Arguments of the week", Vesti.ru, NTV and many others), referring to information from a certain close assistant Serdyukov, said that Mr. Ex-Minister could leave the Russian Federation immediately after his resignation. Such information is allegedly confirmed by the fact that not a single mobile phone of Anatoly Eduardovich is responding, and his apartments are empty. However, such assumptions can hardly be called reliable information, if only because more recently, Ms. Vasilyeva asked the court to allow her relatives, relatives and friends, including the name of the ex-minister, to visit her “modest” girl’s nest in Molochny Lane. If we assume that Serdyukov went abroad immediately after his resignation, then it must also be assumed that he hadn’t informed Yevgeny Vasilyev about her departure ... Well, she didn’t expect him to come to her from abroad? ..

And if this or that person does not answer the calls of journalists and former colleagues at work, then this is still no reason to declare that this person is already that ... - he waved a cordon. It is, of course, behind the cordon today Anatoly Eduardovich, it might be safer (well, London, Vienna), but still the conclusions about his departure can be called unsupported and more similar to speculation. Although in this world nothing can be ruled out ...

In general, the end of the year gives Russia a unique action-packed series about the adventures of the former defense minister and his entourage. Well, if this “soap” goes according to all the laws of the genre, then the next step can be anything: from amnesia in one of the main characters to the emergence of new actors to replace the “tired” act ...

PS During the preparation of the material, the RF IC distributed information that Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov received a summons. On this agenda, he must 28 December appear in the Investigation Committee to testify in the case of theft in "Oboronservis." The lawyer of Anatoly Sedyukov (and he, as it turned out, already has a lawyer; and not at all ordinary) Heinrich Padva said that Serdyukov did receive an “invitation” from the UK. At the same time, Mr. Padva severely criticized the information that the ex-minister was allegedly outside Russia. Padva says that "Serdyukov was last seen today" (that is, on Thursday - author's note). In general, as expected, rumors of Serdyukov’s flight were greatly exaggerated. But the action is still ongoing ...
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 28 December 2012 08: 25
    31
    Can they plant it all the same? (timidly ...)
    1. homeland
      homeland 28 December 2012 08: 32
      +9
      It’s possible, but most likely the state will give in to the brakes, because there are a lot of people like him to be transplanted ... only pawns
      1. sergey32
        sergey32 28 December 2012 09: 05
        26
        Lawyers like Padva are able to quickly turn out the pockets of a client of any degree of solvency. Therefore, I repeat the proposal to Serdyukov, enough to sit unemployed (while free), let him come to me for production. I undertake to provide him with work, from which he will certainly lose weight and, for lack of opportunity, be distracted from bad thoughts. I'm good.
        1. mda
          mda 28 December 2012 09: 24
          14
          Quote: sergey32
          I'm good.

          Better let him come to us. I will show him how to plunder the army. I’m not vindictive, I’m just evil and I have a good memory am
          1. танк
            танк 28 December 2012 10: 20
            +4
            I will show him how to plunder the army


            Do not teach father e ..... but laughing wink
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 28 December 2012 11: 17
          15
          Quote: sergey32
          let him come to me for production.


          Let the bastard master the sewing production - from Moscow to Magadan they sew no worse than Gabbana.
          1. Combitor
            Combitor 29 December 2012 16: 16
            0
            In Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk in IK-1 we have a furniture production. Just Serdyukov's profile. If he is still soldered, let him be convoyed to us on Sakhalin. And the fat will shake, and will benefit (unless it gets into the "cock" squad).
            1. nabludatel_56
              nabludatel_56 29 December 2012 17: 14
              0
              Do you yourself understand what you wrote? The fact that he led the sales does not mean at all what he understands in production. The army already understood this - many wanted to become criminals in person, some shot themselves, specialists simply quit, and most adapted to market relations. A person is able to efficiently destroy the created, but he is not able to do anything himself. Do you need one in IK-1? Well, if so, then I won’t go buy cartridges.
              1. Combitor
                Combitor 30 December 2012 01: 19
                0
                There, they will teach him how to make stools. They will not put him there as a director. Ordinary convict.
        3. knn54
          knn54 29 December 2012 20: 09
          0
          Consider that there will be no production, at best, a brothel.
          1. nabludatel_56
            nabludatel_56 29 December 2012 23: 00
            0
            knn54
            And nothing else can
      2. Ilhar
        Ilhar 28 December 2012 11: 24
        +3
        Not the state will give to the brakes, but his sidekick, who all these years covered his activities!
      3. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 11: 42
        -3
        Quote: vatan
        because people like him need to be transplanted a lot ..

        For what? for the speculations of the journalists? reporters said that Skrynnik has a house in France for 10 million euros, and the house is not worth 500 thousand, and this 20 million rubles is a mediocre cottage in Novosibirsk.
        And tomorrow, anyone in the news will be declared a thief and a hidden oligarch, they will be jailed according to the decision of the public, though they will not find money, and God bless them - the crowd is happy.
        You don’t have to stoop to idiocy, you need to fight corruption, but without departing from the law, otherwise you’ll regret it yourself quickly, we were already carried away by this process when a neighbor wrote to his neighbor that he would be hit with a wife or a colleague to a colleague to take his post.
        You need to check the rumors and not spread them to the joy of those who dissolve them pursuing some goals
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 28 December 2012 11: 51
          0
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          Skrynnik has a house in France for 10 million euros, and a house and 500 thousand is not worth it, and this 20 million rubles is a mediocre cottage in Novosibirsk.

          Well, for the ex-minister, euro money money is trivial, a severance pay is likely.
          1. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 12: 10
            -1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, for the ex-minister, euro money money is trivial, a severance pay is likely.

            20 million rubles for a minister who was in business before is acceptable money; she will report for them
            I gave an example, there are those who will not be able to report, they need to be untwisted, but after they could not report
            1. Vladimirets
              Vladimirets 28 December 2012 12: 46
              +6
              Quote: Kyrgyz
              20 million rubles for a minister who was in business before is acceptable money,

              Is it business, Rosagroleasing or what? Well then, yes, there is a good profit.
              Quote: Kyrgyz
              she will report for them

              I don’t doubt it at all.
              1. Kyrgyz
                Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 13: 08
                -2
                Quote: Vladimirets
                Is it business, Rosagroleasing or what? Well then, yes, there is a good profit.

                According to the conclusions of the Accounts Chamber at the time of handing over the affairs of Skrynnik, everything was in order there, and now some questions, it looks like an order
                Payments to top managers of large companies of bonuses are quite large, this is a world practice, you won’t pay stealing even more, the salaries there are also quite world-class and even higher. About efficiency and productivity, we won’t make the recipient of the prize a criminal
    2. Sakhalininsk
      Sakhalininsk 28 December 2012 08: 55
      13
      better to hang good it will be the most.
      1. Ross
        Ross 28 December 2012 10: 00
        0
        Sakhalininsk,
        Intimidation of other corrupt officials? Or, as before, the kings-kings of the punished servants were hanged like a sight to ordinary people? laughing
      2. Tersky
        Tersky 28 December 2012 12: 16
        +3
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        better still hang it it will be.

        good + !!!! And down the pumpkin. lol .....
        1. Demon_Ex
          Demon_Ex 30 December 2012 09: 33
          0
          And more for the eggs!
      3. sniper
        sniper 28 December 2012 12: 58
        +3
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        better to hang

        That's right, even if they bring the last benefit, they show the wind direction .....
        1. tomket
          tomket 28 December 2012 19: 47
          +1
          Skrylnikov, hydrometeocenter)))))
      4. Denis
        Denis 29 December 2012 05: 47
        +1
        Quote: Sakhalininets
        better to hang

        it is not tolerant!
        enough common camera on the garrison guardhouse, there he will die
        Of course, by accident!
    3. Z.A.M.
      Z.A.M. 28 December 2012 08: 59
      +5
      Vladimirets
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Can they plant it all the same? (timidly ...)

      Greetings, and Happy New Year.

      They will plant? ... When is it in the PADLA lawyers? Yes, this bastard, the devil smeared.
      1. Sakhalininsk
        Sakhalininsk 28 December 2012 09: 08
        13
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        They will plant? ... When is it in the PADLA lawyers? Yes, this bastard, the devil smeared.


        Sorry for my bloodthirstiness today, but it would be nice to ... hang the bastard next to the stool, so to speak, for edification ...
        1. Z.A.M.
          Z.A.M. 28 December 2012 09: 22
          +3
          Sakhalininsk
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Sorry for my bloodthirstiness today
          laughing
          Yes, that you ... You are very kind and humane wink

          Holiday greetings. drinks
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 28 December 2012 16: 17
          +3
          Quote: Sakhalininets
          Sorry for my bloodthirstiness today,

          This is normal.

          Lawyers need to be kept in tight rein, for this intellectual bastard is often a little mischievous!

          (V.I. Lenin).
          1. Captain45
            Captain45 28 December 2012 20: 30
            +2
            Quote: Vadivak
            Lawyers need to be kept in tight rein, for this intellectual bastard is often a little mischievous!

            (V.I. Lenin).

            Wow, what unflattering opinion of himself was Ilyich (assistant to the attorney).
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 December 2012 11: 13
        13
        [quote = ZAM] They will put you in prison ... ... Is this when the PADLA lawyers are? Yes, this bastard, the devil otmazhet. [/ Quote]

        Good morning everyone! Sakhalin residents return to the ranks
        It’s important to track a chain of events
        1. Putin's press conference and his words
        [quote] “If the investigation has concrete facts and materials, then Serdyukov will definitely attract". [/ quote]
        With these words, he clearly made it clear that Serdyukov could be rolled over.
        2. A week passed and Serdyukov was presented with a summons.
        [quote] If the investigation has specific facts and materials [/ quote] ..
        It is necessary to confirm the professionalism of the IC before the owner, otherwise what is this consequence if specific facts and materials do not appear during it? Moreover, the owner said about. [Quote]. Precisely attract [/ quote]. Otherwise, as they say in the people-did not live richly, do not start to hell
        3. Barely before the Investigative Committee reported the summons handed to Serdyukov, as it became known about who will be protect the ex-minister. It Heinrich Padva - at one time he defended the interests of Yukos and Mikhail Khodorkovsky. It is about him in certain circles they say "dear" you are our lawyer. And right there, on the RAIN, he denied rumors that Serdyukov had fled the country. And he assured that he was going to celebrate the New Year in Moscow.

        [quote] You do not need to protect it from anything, no one is blaming him and is not going to blame, as I understand it. I am his legal adviser, and not a defender in a criminal case, I should not protect him from anything. I can represent his interests, any interests of a person and a citizen: rights and freedoms, if they are violated. Now he was essentially slandered, so I intervened. They attributed to him that he was hiding, that he was almost going to go abroad. Outrageous absolute disgusting! [/quote]

        Of course, disgusting who would argue, compared to what was left behind by the "effective leader" Serdyukov. How can you suspect a crystal clear and honest NPP in something if its lawyer is "our dear you" Padva himself?

        [quote] MOSCOW, December 28 - RIA Novosti. Former Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Anatoly Serdyukov on Friday morning arrived for interrogation in the "Oboronservis case" about fraud with the property of the military department, the official representative of the IC Vladimir Markin told RIA Novosti.
        The former minister arrived at the Main Military Investigation Department in a Mercedes car with well-tinted windows. Earlier lawyer Serdyukov Heinrich Padwa told the RAPSI that he was ill and therefore would not be able to attend the interrogation, Serdyukov will go there alone.
        [/ Quote]
        My webpage

        How so .. One, pl .. and without ansam-fuck .. Well, and this Padvathought Serdyukov coming to the interrogation.
        1. Tersky
          Tersky 28 December 2012 12: 20
          +4
          Quote: Ascetic
          Former Minister arrives at the Main Military Investigation Department in a Mercedes car with well-tinted windows

          this shit on the funnel from the first day to the GVSU needs to be brought, but it is shouting at Merc, what kind of country ....
        2. Denis
          Denis 29 December 2012 06: 26
          0
          Quote: Ascetic
          former minister arrived in a Mercedes car

          Is it their occupational disease or contagious?
          was already, even with such a nickname
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 28 December 2012 16: 16
        +1
        Quote: Z.A.M.
        Yes, this bastard, the devil smeared.


        Serdyukov did not give evidence, citing the absence of a lawyer.
    4. LaGlobal
      LaGlobal 28 December 2012 09: 43
      +3
      Good morning! I, probably, like ALL the people, well, I just crave when they put him !!!
    5. sefirs
      sefirs 28 December 2012 09: 53
      17
      who is for stools planted?
      1. Tersky
        Tersky 28 December 2012 16: 48
        +3
        Quote: sefirs
        who is for stools planted?

        All of Russia, except .... (guess the first time)
    6. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 28 December 2012 10: 13
      +4
      Well, actually, if you take all the damage to the Russian defense caused during the Stool season, then it wouldn’t be a sin to smear his forehead with his whole green mosquito. (also timidly)
    7. Denis
      Denis 28 December 2012 10: 26
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Can plant

      they don’t give their own there, haven’t they taught examples?
      red thief, Moscow mayor, etc. g ..., which, alas, is more than necessary
    8. Deniska999
      Deniska999 28 December 2012 10: 39
      0
      It seems to me that they’re not going to put Serdyukov so easily. But in general, he would have to be shot for good without trial or investigation.
    9. 11 black
      11 black 28 December 2012 11: 33
      0
      Here I understand the gift for the new year for the whole country laughing drinks good
    10. baron.nn
      baron.nn 28 December 2012 12: 12
      0
      Vladimirets:
      For a long time already all their gang needs to be planted!
    11. sancho
      sancho 28 December 2012 12: 36
      +2
      If Serdyukov jumps out of criminal responsibility, it will be a spit in the eyes of us all and the whole of society from the current healthy government. After this, the GDP rating will go down sharply, and it is not known how this will end.
      In fact, now it looks something like this: - "Yes! We admit sleep ... or rather stole money. Yes! This is not good, we admit it. Well, how can we jail our comrade-in-arms?"
      The price of such activities and government in the future may result in a lot of blood.
      This is a serious bell ...... I think that each of us needs to think about it.
    12. Letun
      Letun 28 December 2012 14: 54
      +2
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Can they plant it all the same? (timidly ...)

      On an electric chair? (with hope...)
    13. lelikas
      lelikas 28 December 2012 16: 01
      +1
      Quote: Vladimirets

      Can they plant it all the same? (timidly ...)
      -
      All Voentorgs received the best New Year gift for Serdyukov -

      There is a little mug, a spoon and crackers left.
    14. vezunchik
      vezunchik 28 December 2012 17: 26
      +1
      And who was the prime minister when Serdyukov plundered state property ?! And not one year, Where did the organs look ?! After such a scandal, the government, led by the prime minister, will resign ...
    15. nabludatel_56
      nabludatel_56 28 December 2012 20: 18
      +1
      He will give money to his girls and they will sit for him in comfortable conditions. It’s bad that they will confine themselves to Oboronservis and will not get to the bottom.
    16. Simon
      Simon 28 December 2012 22: 45
      +1
      Of course to land! And let him sit until all the money is returned to a penny. am
  2. patriot2
    patriot2 28 December 2012 08: 27
    +2
    !) The thief must sit!
    (Zheglov)
    2) Yes, someone will plant him, he is a monument!
    (Gentlemen of fortune)
    Let's play "toss" or ....! am
    1. sefirs
      sefirs 28 December 2012 09: 50
      +3
      3) They will turn you up - but do not steal! lol
      4) Your house is a prison
      (Papanov's character in "Beware of the Car")
      1. AndreyAB
        AndreyAB 28 December 2012 10: 16
        0
        But who will plant him, he's a monument. ("J. Good Luck", Kramarov)
  3. omsbon
    omsbon 28 December 2012 08: 32
    +5
    This year, the stool will not be planted and horseradish with it.

    Happy New Year to all!
    I wish you happiness, health, success.
    Fun and joy!
  4. Apollo
    Apollo 28 December 2012 08: 37
    +4
    Good morning! hi

    quote-Another recent outburst of information that has made a lot of noise is unverified information about the disappearance of ex-defense minister Anatoly Serdyukov. A number of media outlets (Arguments of the Week, Vesti.ru, NTV and many others), citing information from a close assistant Serdyukov, said that the ex-minister could leave the Russian Federation immediately after his resignation.

    A. Serdyukov, with all his desire, will not be able to leave (will not give such an opportunity) the borders of the Russian Federation for the simple reason that he owns the highest state and military secrets of the country. He is more than sure that he is under secret surveillance (surveillance) Definitely.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 28 December 2012 08: 53
      +1
      Quote: Apollon
      A. Serdyukov, with all his desire, will not be able to leave (will not give such an opportunity) the borders of the Russian Federation for the simple reason that he owns the highest state and military secrets of the country

      So then it is, but if someone in the country is still concerned about the preservation of these secrets, I would very much like to hope.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 28 December 2012 09: 16
      +7
      Quote: Apollon
      . More than sure that he is under secret (outdoor) surveillance. Definitely.

      Hi Apollo, outdoor is good, but in a cell it would be more reliable hi
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 December 2012 09: 34
        +3
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Apollo, outdoor is good, but in a cell it would be more reliable


        I welcome you Alexander hi !

        I agree, there is such a concept in jurisprudence "How the inevitability of punishment" screwed up, if you please now answer for what you have done. I think that now I will be accused of what and what about the presumption of innocence. As for other articles of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, the investigation has yet to work BUT one thing I am sure absolutely Article "Negligence" can already be imputed to him.
      2. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 December 2012 11: 47
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Hi Apollo, outdoor is good, but in a cell it would be more reliable
      3. Tersky
        Tersky 28 December 2012 12: 27
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        outdoor advertising is good, but in a chamber it would be more reliable

        and preferably in the common room, there it’s fast ... they’ll reorient the owner of the chicken coop, without waiting for the results what"CONSEQUENCES"what
    3. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 December 2012 12: 11
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      More than sure that he is under unspoken (outdoor) surveillance. Definitely.


      He’s only insolently grasping, they’ll merge it from above, immediately after signing the decision by the prosecutor
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 December 2012 12: 16
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        He’s only insolently grasping, they’ll merge it from above, immediately after signing the decision by the prosecutor


        Greetings, Vadim! hi

        Depends on society to put Serdyukov or not. If the flurry in the society grows, they will put him on it. Vladimir Putin will not risk his image and electorate.! IMHO
  5. Pit Bull59
    Pit Bull59 28 December 2012 09: 00
    +1
    Serdyuk is still in Russia ?! And he will give evidence from the Maldives on Skype ...
    1. MilaPhone
      MilaPhone 28 December 2012 10: 16
      +1
      Now the news says that he left Russia, but Padla’s lawyer denies!
  6. taseka
    taseka 28 December 2012 09: 08
    +2
    "For the last two years, JSC Slavyanka has confidently turned into a tool for laundering hundreds of millions of rubles worth of budget money." - everyone knew everything and Roskosmos also "followed" for 2 years. Everyone knows everything until the command follows - Fas! And so let them steal, because there is no team yet - for the Olympics, the Navy, Avtodor, Heavy and light industries and so on!
  7. tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 28 December 2012 09: 11
    +6
    smile according to the newly received secret information, Mr. ..... n (not to be confused with mister) Serdyukov realizing that he would not be imprisoned and having repented voluntarily identified himself under house arrest and is now in a general house but with a strict regime of detention together with Eugenia Vasilyeva and forced to share with her one shkonku and havat one rations smile
  8. dark_65
    dark_65 28 December 2012 09: 24
    +1
    Damn, well, they will give five years, two years the investigation, in offset four years, a year, or half conditionally ahead of schedule .. and that's it? Many would sit for such babosy.
    1. Ghenxnumx
      Ghenxnumx 28 December 2012 10: 02
      0
      It is unlikely that you will pick up many who want to sit for the babos earned this way. hi
      All a Happy! drinks
    2. Zabvo
      Zabvo 28 December 2012 10: 13
      +2
      You know, as they say: "Stole more, they will give less." I personally know how the administration of correctional institutions treats such pseudo "ZEKAMS", this is not a punishment, but only a small restriction of freedom and nothing more. These creatures live there in all conditions. So that the people do not have the illusion that if they put him in prison, he will receive what he deserves. recourse
  9. click80
    click80 28 December 2012 09: 28
    +1
    All with the upcoming
    Of course, I really want to see Serdyuk behind bars in a striped robe, but do not forget that he is the Minister of Defense, though a former, but still a minister. With his former access to classified data, he will either be acquitted or found "suicidal", well, or crashed in some road accident.
    1. borisst64
      borisst64 28 December 2012 09: 52
      +1
      Ukraine put the former prime minister, maybe Russia will dare to do real things.
      1. click80
        click80 28 December 2012 10: 15
        +1
        I doubt that Julia had access to secret documents.
        That's why I say that it will break or kill itself.
    2. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 28 December 2012 12: 45
      +1
      Quote: click80
      do not forget that he is the Minister of Defense, although a former but still a minister. With his former access to sensitive data
      Yes, let the onlookers tell about the secrets there is more important the secret "where the fat is hidden" laughing
    3. Captain45
      Captain45 28 December 2012 20: 09
      +1
      Quote: click80
      but do not forget that he is the Minister of Defense, although a former, but still a minister. With his former access to classified data, he will either be acquitted or found "suicidal", well, or crashed in some road accident.

      I agree, remember Adamov’s Minister of Rosatom, there are billions of bucks in a crucifix ... I’m sorry I stole it, gave 9 years in jail for probation for 9 years, despite the fact that there are no such sentences in the Criminal Code. the sentence is allowed for a period not exceeding 5 years, but they turned around and sentenced such a punishment.
      1. Denis
        Denis 29 December 2012 08: 41
        +1
        Quote: Captain45
        despite the fact that there are no such sentences in the Criminal Code

        No, they’ll come up with it. We found the same monkey, the daughters of one unclean b ..., the deferment of years on 14
        When was this?
  10. general.bnw
    general.bnw 28 December 2012 09: 37
    +2
    Lord! The former Minister of Defense, it turns out, undermined this very defense of the country for a number of years! All the words of the defenders of this activist that he * did not know *, * did not see *, * did not know * - more than ridiculous! And, well, for the threat to the security of our State, he will get off * with a slight fright *!?! The people are unlikely to understand this! However ... who this People will listen to!?!
  11. plohoy
    plohoy 28 December 2012 09: 38
    +1
    Well, what is there to dilute the words, you need to say purely in Russian ...... "pip", "pip" -HOOK M, U, D, A, K, A "pip", "pip" !!!! soldier
  12. zambo
    zambo 28 December 2012 09: 40
    +1
    Let's not be amused with hope .., shit does not sink, there will be a sluggishly drawn-out consequence, and then they will forgive safely ...
  13. Igor
    Igor 28 December 2012 09: 43
    +3
    No, they will not imprison, this power is afraid of the truth and the recognition of its mistakes.
  14. tambourine 2012
    tambourine 2012 28 December 2012 09: 48
    +4
    I want to quote the famous politician "WHERE IS THE LANDING?" and listen to a clear answer from the same politician. Not humming "WHAT BILLIONS?"
    1. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 28 December 2012 10: 19
      +1
      We live in Russia, not in Europe, how are we? stole a bag of potatoes - to prison, stole billions - under house arrest with a restaurant - Asia p.
  15. yllo
    yllo 28 December 2012 09: 56
    +1
    2020 Corruption, theft, pedophilia are rooted in Russia. This happened as a result of the fall on the building of the State Duma of a nuclear warhead. angry
    1. Apollo
      Apollo 28 December 2012 10: 06
      +1
      Quote: yllo
      2020 Corruption, theft, pedophilia are rooted in Russia. This happened as a result of the fall on the building of the State Duma of a nuclear warhead.


      thought of others?? fool
  16. starlet
    starlet 28 December 2012 09: 58
    0
    here is stskuka
    to put such a knife
  17. Optics
    Optics 28 December 2012 10: 04
    0
    "... At the same time, Mr. Padva harshly criticized the information that the ex-minister is allegedly outside Russia. Padva says that" the last time I saw Serdyukov was today "(that is, on Thursday - author's note). as expected, rumors of Serdyukov's flight were greatly exaggerated. But the action is still ongoing ... "
    What action is going on? Theft? something is not clear in the article - is Serdyukov being protected? And what is the wrong expression that "Slavyanka" is an instrument of money laundering? And in my opinion, it is also a scam tool, to be precise. Some fixed-term employment contracts with grassroots personnel and non-payment of money to them mean that.
    .... No, only Kolyma for such citizens ... And Padva - corresponds to his surname and his worldview ... Zapadvo ...
    1. Volodin
      28 December 2012 12: 43
      +1
      And how can I wash budget resources? - This does not bother you ... "dirty" money is laundered, and budget money is either earned and spent on budget expenditures, or, as in the case of some organizations, is simply stolen. They did not read it carefully: the article explains this ... And also: where is it written that someone is protecting someone? Don't fantasize.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 12: 50
        0
        Quote: Volodin
        And how can budget funds be washed?

        This means the legalization of fictitiously spent money, it goes for other purposes and is displayed on the pocket through a pseudo-contractor, acts are drawn up on a more worthwhile business, the break-off scheme is simple but needs to be controlled from two unrelated parties and always on the ground. But about Serdyukov’s involvement in this, there really is nothing yet, except speculation and gossip
        1. Volodin
          28 December 2012 13: 55
          -1
          Roman, in the article a quote from Fridinsky. What he had in mind is understandable, but the prosecutor put it clearly clearly not in the best way ... As for Serdyukov and his ilk: everything looks like either a play or a circus: they were brought onto the stage (arena), further shouts yelling, revealing; the people are mad, their thumbs go down, and then the pops are a curtain! .. Here’s the people from their seats and do not disagree: I would like at least some sensible ending to this action, but for now they don’t hurry to lift the curtain ... And if they don’t hurry, why play? ..
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 December 2012 14: 17
            +4
            Quote: Volodin
            Serdyukov and others like him: everything looks like a performance, or a circus: brought to the stage (arena), then screams, screams, revelations; the people are frantic, thumbs down, and then the clap is the curtain! .. Here the people do not disperse from places: I would like at least some intelligible ending to this action, but so far they are in no hurry to raise the curtain ... And if they are not in a hurry, then why the play? ..


            The directors took a theatrical pause .. until January 11, the first interrogation of the former Minister of Defense of Russia Anatoly Serdyukov in the Oboronservis case did not bring any sensations: the status of the former head of the military department is still witness, but did not give evidence, referring to the absence of a lawyer.(Padva overcame the disease) Now the former minister will appear in the main investigative department of the RF IC already after the New Year holidays - January 11th.
            My webpage

            The curtain was slightly opened .. they looked through a crack .. whether the people are still waiting, do not disperse, It turns out waiting. Well, let him now wait until January 11, Maybe after the New Year's "decade of horrors" (according to Onishchenko) they won't remember Serdyukov
  18. Zabvo
    Zabvo 28 December 2012 10: 05
    +2
    "Storetkin" zvizdets is a fact, they just do everything carefully so that Medvedev is not "bummed". But if they do so, then General Makarov will be the first to "enter" the zone, and then Serdyukov will. To tell the truth, this whole thing is already tired, I am for the fact that in the future there will not be such a shame for the whole world.
    1. AndreyAB
      AndreyAB 28 December 2012 10: 20
      +2
      Your words yes to God in your ears!
    2. plohoy
      plohoy 28 December 2012 12: 21
      0
      I agree with you, for a simple reason - a heart attack and a Makar and Serdyukov.
  19. Alekseev
    Alekseev 28 December 2012 10: 24
    +3
    As some large villain is taken for the gills, so here the lawyer Pad.a.
    Just like an indicator of some kind. To paraphrase Suvorov, one can say that anyone with Padva’s lawyer can be imprisoned without trial.
  20. Apollo
    Apollo 28 December 2012 10: 31
    +2
    Serdyukov interrogated by investigators of the IC of the Russian Federation

    MOSCOW, December 28. Former Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov arrived at the RF IC on Friday morning for interrogation in the "Oboronservis case," said Vladimir Markin, official representative of the IC.

    As reported to Rosbalt in the RF IC, following the interrogation results, the investigators will carefully analyze the information received from the former minister and plan further investigative actions.

    In addition, Markin denied information from a number of media outlets that the investigation was fading. "This in no way corresponds to reality ... This case is very large-scale, 10 criminal cases have already been combined into one proceeding and, judging by the information received, we do not exclude that the number of such criminal cases will increase. So there cannot be On the contrary, there is a huge amount of work ahead of us, including on Slavyanka and Oboronservis. I can assure you that the investigation will take the necessary measures to clarify all the circumstances of the crimes committed and bring all persons involved in to them, regardless of their positions, "- assured the representative of the RF IC.

    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2012/12/28/1077253.html
  21. Fost325
    Fost325 28 December 2012 10: 37
    +1
    The law for all is one thief must be in prison ...........
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Fost325
      The law for all is one thief must be in prison ...........

      If a thief, and if by court
  22. Magadan
    Magadan 28 December 2012 10: 45
    +3
    All this is wonderful. But it will be seen somewhere in a year. I hope everyone gets jailed.
    In the meantime, the Serdyukov case distracts the people from other pressing problems.
    And the main agenda, perhaps, should still be the cleanup of one of the leading universities in the country - RGTEU. The persecution of RGTEU and personally of its rector Baburin was arranged by the Lebanese Minister of Education, on the basis of the very "criteria for the effectiveness of evaluating universities." For real scientific developments, for real victories at international competitions - RTEU takes a leading place among the best universities in the country. But according to Lebanon's opinion, the university is "ineffective." Students try to defend the university and the rector, but they lose along the way. Together with the police, the new rector sat down in a chair. The professors went on a hunger strike.
    By the way, bad news. Minister of Education of Livanov turns out to be Rogozin's nephew. Is it really true?
    1. old rocket man
      old rocket man 28 December 2012 11: 06
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      But according to Lebanon's opinion, the university is "ineffective." Students try to defend the university and the rector, but they lose along the way. Together with the police, the new rector sat down in a chair. The professors went on a hunger strike

      Today the news slipped that students still defended the autonomy of the university
    2. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 28 December 2012 12: 51
      +1
      Quote: Magadan
      But it will be seen somewhere in a year. I hope everyone gets jailed.
      if the case is identical to Cherkizon or the patronage of gambling in the Moscow Region by prosecutors, then you yourself understand how it will end
  23. USNik
    USNik 28 December 2012 11: 23
    +5
    stripping one of the leading universities of the country - RSTEU

    This is by chance not the university whose graduate, in an interview with ORT, could not name the square root of 100 request ?
    1. Magadan
      Magadan 29 December 2012 06: 51
      +1
      You plus smile I was clearly in a hurry with my post. RGTEU - maybe a good university, but they are engaged in trade and economics there. That is, the next "effective managers" are being trained. So I don't care what they do with them. There would be a technical university, there would be a reason to be indignant.
      I apologize for the turmoil.
  24. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 11: 36
    -4
    Looking at the persecution and mockery of Serdyukov, one gets the feeling that the Ministry of Defense did not steal before him or steal less, his fault is that he was weaned from the feeding trough and did not give a damn in the face of many without looking at the shoulder straps, but with him the army began to receive modern equipment, with him conducted an operation in Georgia which was much better than the operation in Chechnya controlled by the venerable military. Yes, as it turned out, the Ministry of Defense is not only business entities, there were many nuances that require special knowledge and not simple cash flow management, but did not control the deputies in the field, which speaks of weakness as a leader of this level, but he did more for the army than all previous "professional" military men, he stirred up a viper, he separated the customer from the manufacturer. The figure is, of course, controversial, there are many miscalculations and adventurism, a lot of naivety, there is stupidity and tyranny - as without this, but not an absolutely negative character, as often drawn from insult by those whom he removed from bread places.
    Let's see what Shoigu achieves by flirting with the army nomenclature and his lack of conflict, while it looks like he is trying to please everyone who is offended by Serdyukov, and the army is returning to its former form.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 28 December 2012 12: 21
      +2
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      Looking at ravl and mockery at Serdyukov, one gets the feeling that the Moscow Region didn’t steal before him or steal less

      Quote: Kyrgyz
      he did more for the army than all the previous "professional" military men, he stirred up a viper

      1. They stole before him, but still downward. He, and no one else, created LLC for theft
      Perdyukov, judging by his actions, decided to steal everything that would no longer be stolen, there was simply nothing. wassat
      2. He did nothing good. Tossing about like an incompetent elephant in a china shop. He built houses and raised salaries not on his own. And how effectively spent the huge money is a big question. Professional ministers of war could not even think of such funding for the Defense Ministry. Instead of g ... removed disagreeing, albeit honest and competent people. He did not strengthen military discipline, but finished it off. In addition, he paid his "deputies" more than any commander, and how they steal (according to the modern day, they steal, through LLC, the generals never dreamed of) allegedly did not know, "did not control locally," you know.
      3. For what d ..... ba it turned out that
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      MOs are not only business entities, there turned out to be a lot of nuances that require special knowledge and not simple cash flow management
      am
      This is the elementary truth ....
      But enough is enough. He who has ears, yes hears, but he who does not, yes .... does not hear.
      All a Happy! drinks
      Let's hope that in the New Year there will be fewer such "controversial" figures.
      1. Kyrgyz
        Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 12: 40
        0
        Quote: Alekseev
        They stole before him, but still less. He, and no one else, created the farts for theft of LLC, judging by his actions, he decided to steal everything that was no longer stolen, there was simply nothing.

        As for the less likely MO, there has always been a black hole, the idea with LLC was normal, but naive, raw and uncontrolled, why don’t you steal when no one is looking for grandmas?
        Quote: Alekseev
        He did not do anything good.

        Refitting with attention to numbers and communications, Georgia 888, brigade structure of the army, shortening the service life, building relationships with manufacturers, soldiers study and do not sweep and dig at construction sites
        Quote: Alekseev
        Professional military ministers could not even think of such funding for the Defense Ministry. Instead of r ... he removed the disagreeing, albeit honest and competent people.

        The professionalism of these people was devalued by the "successes" of the army in the Caucasus and the general state of affairs in the Ministry of Defense during the period of his taking up the post, it is no wonder that they were driven first and they were recently opened mouths, that listening to those with whom the army reached degradation
        Quote: Alekseev
        He did not strengthen military discipline, but finished it off. In addition, he paid his "deputies" more than any commander, and how they steal (according to the modern day, they steal, through LLC, the generals never dreamed of) allegedly did not know, "did not control on the ground," you know.

        He did not take into account the specifics, he thought of dispensing with templates as in civilian life, in the army there is not only economics, but also debt and necessity, he got burnt on this, they do not steal through LLCs but legalize or work
        1. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 28 December 2012 13: 04
          0
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          As for the less likely MO, there has always been a black hole,

          The black hole of Moscow Oblast was for purely civilians who never understood what military money is spent on and why it is needed.

          Quote: Kyrgyz
          why don’t you steal when no one is looking at grandmas?

          Well, this of course changes things, justification be healthy.

          Quote: Kyrgyz
          army brigade structure, reduction of service life

          For the army more than controversial achievements.

          Quote: Kyrgyz
          The professionalism of these people was devalued by the "successes" of the army in the Caucasus

          And Serdyukov probably drove into Georgia after the development of the operation plan by the successful manager Vasilyeva.
          1. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 13: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vladimirets
            The black hole of Moscow Oblast was for purely civilians who never understood what military money is spent on and why it is needed.

            And they see how the soldiers look and start, and what the soldiers are fighting with and who commands them and how, and their misunderstanding is intensified
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Well, this of course changes things, justification be healthy.

            This life is so excuse me here request grandmothers must provide supervision otherwise they are not
            Quote: Vladimirets
            For the army more than controversial achievements.

            Time will tell, but for local conflicts it is more correct and faster
            Quote: Vladimirets
            And Serdyukov probably drove into Georgia after the development of the operation plan by the successful manager Vasilyeva.

            He led the Moscow Region at that time, and if you hang up the minuses, then let's give him his due in pluses, otherwise let's admit that Grachev is not worthy in the first Chechen
            1. Ilhar
              Ilhar 28 December 2012 15: 14
              +2
              KYRGYZ
              Serdyukov has no relation to a successful outcome in the armed conflict with Georgia. By the time the conflict began, he had gone on vacation and for almost a day, from the start of the Georgian aggression, they could not find him. And after graduation, the most distinguished units and formations were disbanded, hundreds of officers who gained enormous experience in conducting military operations were dismissed or removed for staff.
              soldiers learn and do not sweep and do not dig at construction sites

              drive up to any large part, watch at 6.00 in the morning or on time for PCB on Saturday
              and you will see how the military personnel of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation do not sweep and do not clean the territory of the units ....
        2. Flooding
          Flooding 28 December 2012 14: 49
          +1
          Quote: Kyrgyz
          army brigade structure, reduction of service life

          Well, whatever Serdyukov does, you’ll set him off.
          But these two points cause such doubts ... - But, nothing, your hand did not flinch.
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 28 December 2012 14: 47
      0
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      when he conducted an operation in Georgia, which was not an example better than an operation in Chechnya controlled by venerable military personnel.

      Blinked. The NGS was hanged, and Serdyukov was forgotten for a brilliant operation. That's what he is now biting his elbows. Thinks, I suppose, on whose Hero would a hand rise?
      1. Ascetic
        Ascetic 28 December 2012 15: 18
        +5
        Quote: Flood
        Blinked. The NGS was hanged, and Serdyukov was forgotten for a brilliant operation. That's what he is now biting his elbows. Thinks, I suppose, on whose Hero would a hand rise?




        Medvedev asks Taburetkin: "What's not funny, General? Ali got sick with measles, Ali got drunk with a braga, Ali lost at cards? Ali's army is small, Ali's service is not nice, Ali found a barrel damage in the cannon? Report without any lies, Why is there darkness in my heart - I want to know in detail Who, where, faq and how! .. Taburetkin: "I was just at the archer, At Fedot the daredevil, As I saw his wife - So I blurted out from the porch. The third day - I'm not lying to her! - I do not take a saber in my hands, And such dreaminess, That, look, I'll die! And the other day there was a sin - I almost invented a rhyme, Doctors got scared, They say - a love shock! .. Taburetkin about Vasilyeva: "Ah yes baba! Ah yes special! That's the end of the hassle! At least get you out of the stupa - Yes, the minister to the palace! None are not at odds with the German, Is it far from trouble, And with you I am ready At least for reconnaissance, at least for good!" I am crying kindly: If you like - a marten, if you like - a beaver, But if you don't like - I can use a coin. In gold or in silver! .. Taburetkin in the UK: "What are you, brothers ... I lost my eyes for you in the attack! .. It's no use when I dare Contrary to the masses! .. I could not, I could not resist, I did not have, I did not belong. I was not, I was not, I was not, I was not even ... I didn’t even stand nearby! I will justify. I will serve. I will suffer. I’ll sit out. I don’t belong to the oppressive elite anymore! .. And the culprit is Yaga! There is no more dangerous enemy! Before her is Gorynych himself - So, not a snake, but a small fry! Well, where are you, fidget? Look people in the eyes! Personally, I can’t resist - I will hit with a saber twice! .. I admit my guilt. Measure. Degree. Depth. And I ask you to send me to the current war. There is no war - I will take everything : Exile, hard labor, prison! But, preferably, in July And, preferably, in the Crimea!

        Based on the tale of L. Filatov "About Fedot - the archer .."
        1. Odessa
          Odessa 28 December 2012 18: 15
          +2
          Ascetic,
          good a fairy tale, already threw it to Odnoklassniki.
          And this fairy tale reminded Vasiliev
          If Taburetkina is charged with the subsequent serving of her sentence, she is unlikely to go after him as a Decembrist wife to Kalyma.
          1. Ascetic
            Ascetic 28 December 2012 18: 38
            +3
            Odessa,

            Well, you shouldn't have bought an apartment in THIRTEEN rooms. Here is the result.

        2. Captain45
          Captain45 28 December 2012 20: 20
          +2
          I like this one more:
          "You, my dear, are broad in the shoulders, but your mind is completely withered,
          Here's a little mind and fix it on state-owned grub! "
          But it will most likely be like this:
          "I would hit you with whips, four or five,
          So that you don’t scamper over serious people,
          But since I respect the order and the law
          Here's a dime for vodka and get out of here! "
  25. wax
    wax 28 December 2012 11: 49
    +1
    At the time, Churbanov served, And Serdyukov is not harmful. I would even put all of his military experts, starting with Vasilyeva, in the same cell with him, with two-story bunks and one bucket.
  26. Nechai
    Nechai 28 December 2012 11: 59
    +4
    Quote: USNik
    This is by chance not the university whose graduate, in an interview with ORT, could not name the square root of 100

    Yeah. He is...
    Quote: Deniska999
    It seems to me that they’re not going to put Serdyukov so easily.

    Yes, it’s just that the casket is opening ... the public indignation at the "accomplishments" of Anatoly Eduardovich WILL NOT subside - they will attract (even someone will be appointed as punishment). The people's anger will die down - they will be hushed up. To paraphrase - "although you are a friend, power is dearer for all of us!" The degree of public opinion is clearly tracked by the power structures. Including our flood here. And no one will risk, infecting the "accomplice", will not. Without risk, why not demonstrate "command" (opegic) unity. And you can't help Fox out, pah you, serdyuk with kichi ... "I told him - the women will bring him to the zugunder!"
  27. Apollo
    Apollo 28 December 2012 12: 00
    +4
    Dear Forum!
    You do what you want, but I no longer believe the investigating authorities!

    Serdyukov, after interrogation, retained the status of a witness in the "Oboronservis case"

    MOSCOW, December 28. Former Russian Defense Minister Anatoly Serdyukov left the GVSU building, where he was interrogated in the case of theft of property of the military department.

    It is clarified that the ex-minister retained the status of a witness in the "case" of Oboronservis
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2012/12/28/1077307.html
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 December 2012 12: 12
      +4
      Quote: Apollon
      You do what you want, but I no longer believe the investigating authorities!

      What do these pawns have to do with it? What they say they will do. This is a system
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 December 2012 12: 22
        +2
        Quote: Vadivak
        What do these pawns have to do with it? What they say they will do. This is a system


        I do not quite agree with you, there are decent and conscientious people in the law enforcement agencies who sincerely serve the Motherland and the people. I don’t trust the investigators who are conducting the Oboronservis case. They apparently received a clear instruction not to touch them yet.

        GSVU is closely connected with the Ministry of Defense. The investigation, in my opinion, should be carried out by an independent investigation team.
        1. Vasily79
          Vasily79 28 December 2012 13: 39
          0
          Quote: Apollon
          GSVU is closely connected with the Ministry of Defense.

          Happy New Year, in vain do not trust just the investigators of the HLMC and unscrewed this crap Mr. Ivanov said in an interview.

          Quote: Apollon
          You do what you want, but I no longer believe the investigating authorities!
          Serdyukov, after interrogation, retained the status of a witness in the "Oboronservis case"

          Just Serdyuk with his bl .... did everything with the wrong hands and it is very difficult to prove their involvement. And an official with secrecy of such a level is generally incredibly difficult to even drag a witness into the case.
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 28 December 2012 21: 17
            +1
            Quote: Vasily79
            Happy New Year, in vain do not trust just the investigators of the HLMC and unscrewed this crap Mr. Ivanov said in an interview.


            I wonder where the FSB looked?
            1. Vasily79
              Vasily79 28 December 2012 22: 58
              +1
              Bratvoy from the Ministry of Defense is engaged not in FSB officers, but by special officers and the military prosecutor’s office
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 28 December 2012 15: 20
          +4
          Quote: Apollon
          in law enforcement there are decent and conscientious people


          Those murderers will not let this matter, but drug addicts will be caught, and specially trained employees will deal with Serdyukov
          1. Apollo
            Apollo 28 December 2012 21: 18
            +1
            Quote: Vadivak
            and specially trained employees will be engaged in Serdyukov


            Vadim, no words good
  28. Shkodnik65
    Shkodnik65 28 December 2012 12: 06
    +2
    No, they won't jail, he certainly knows too much. But here's how an "experienced" minister of defense, that is, a person "familiar" with the word "honor" from "strong pressure" will put a bullet in his head. Well, or someone will help ...
    1. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 28 December 2012 12: 56
      +1
      Quote: Shkodnik65
      No, they won't jail, he certainly knows too much. But here's how an "experienced" minister of defense, that is, a person "familiar" with the word "honor" from "strong pressure" will put a bullet in his head. Well, or someone will help ...
      Yes, he fired THREE times from Kalash 6 stores expended but no luck missed laughing laughing
  29. Apollo
    Apollo 28 December 2012 12: 09
    0
    Serdyukov refused to answer questions from investigators SK

    According to the official representative of the RF IC, Vladimir Markin, the former minister refused to answer the investigator’s questions today and filed a motion to postpone the interrogation. At the same time, Serdyukov asked for an interrogation in the presence of his lawyer. Earlier it was reported that the lawyer Serdyukov is sick. It is clarified that in total the ex-minister spent about an hour in the RF IC.
    More details: http://www.rosbalt.ru/moscow/2012/12/28/1077330.html
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 28 December 2012 12: 31
      +2
      Quote: Apollon
      Earlier it was reported that the lawyer Serdyukov is sick.

      Well, yes, Julia is sick with us, and Serdyukov has a lawyer.
      I understand that he is unlikely to explode over the hill. All the same, there are still a lot of ice axes in the country. Or maybe himself ... like we have Kravchenko - two bullets to the head and no interrogations. belay
      1. Apollo
        Apollo 28 December 2012 21: 20
        +1
        Quote: Egoza
        and Serdyukov has a lawyer.



        This is a tactical and outdated move by a lawyer. They want to buy time but for what. what
      2. Denis
        Denis 29 December 2012 06: 39
        0
        Quote: Egoza
        I understand that he is unlikely to explode over the hill. All the same, there are still a lot of ice axes in the country

        Oh, not so. If so, how much mud there, new ice axes had to be forged, the existing ones would be worn out. If we didn’t want to deal with the ice axes, then the karachun did not come to pick up the cordon, but when assembling the suitcase, they didn’t leave the box office. so they run, almost in packs
        But ice axes and specialists like Sudoplatov and Entingon have their work too
  30. Asgard
    Asgard 28 December 2012 12: 10
    +7
    in the past the Minister of Defense, and even more deeply, the head. furniture section Serdyukov was just a "figure" and fulfilled the instructions of the Commander-in-Chief. Recently, the Commander-in-Chief said at a press conference that he did not know about the theft in the Army and had no complaints about the already former Minister (Wait) ...
    and is positioned (stool)) in the government as Putin's "chair", so the hope that Serdyukov will be put on a stool somewhere in the zone is very illusory, and that he will not die by his own death, has recently increased to 90%. Since this citizen "shared" what was stolen (I suspect that he was ratting)), but otherwise his career growth is inexplicable .... I remembered that he was hamlo (with subordinates)), as an indicator of the attitude towards the Army, the nickname of officers from Serdyukov-"little green men"

    This is how people with weapons are perceived by our (fucking)) "elite. Since there are no complaints about such" ministers ".... but funny "iPhone" in general, divorced from reality, about literate and necessary reforms he insists .....
    ...... although everything goes back to SOVIET orders and methods of command and control of troops ..... because then such a science was called military.
    The headquarters were, in them officers served and they at least understood what comes from and how it interacts. Rear was a military officer, subordinate to the command, but how to fight with the supply agents, in simple terms, is fifth column....
    The fifth column sits in the Kremlin, in the government, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the FSB - this is an unwise, but well-established structure for destabilizing the state and destroying infrastructure, which will lead to the collapse of these same Elites, to make them responsible for the bacchanalia .... Those newspaper headlines what we read now will soon become sentences to the same little people whose surnames flicker in the press ....

    Serdyukov as an indicator - the process of destabilization has begun ..... loss of controllability and shocks ahead .....
  31. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 28 December 2012 12: 29
    +3
    An ancient Roman proverb categorically states: "To err is human"...
    But I'm not talking about Serdyukov ...

    It all ends with the fact that the case will be written off to scapegoats and scapegoats, and our ex-defense minister will remain an innocent sheep ... Well, in the sense of a witness. It is possible that the main witness in this process. I can’t even rule out that as a witness from the prosecution ...
    And the most offensive thing is that the old saying about the fact that a witness often becomes an accused will not work here. It is only valid for ordinary people. Like you and me. But for the so-called. "close circle" (or in the old fashioned way "persons especially close to a person", and Serdyuka is just such an individual) now "is not the 37th year" ...
    After a while, the scandal will be hushed up. Or they will be stuffed with new "news". Our media have a wealth of experience in this regard ...
    And our dear Taburetkin will go to correct his nerves and other health abroad. But whether it will return ...

    But oh, how I want to make a mistake this time! ..
    1. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 28 December 2012 12: 59
      -1
      Quote: Chicot 1
      It all ends with the fact that the case will be written off to scapegoats and scapegoats, and our ex-defense minister will remain an innocent sheep ...

      Even if Serdyukov was the godfather of corruption in the Ministry of Defense so far nothing points to him, and "the goats and scapegoats ate well and with impunity" all this time, maybe it's time to "slaughter them for meat"
      Quote: Chicot 1
      And the most annoying thing is that the old adage that the witness often becomes the accused will not work here.

      Those. In your opinion, do not bother with fomalities, put Serdyukov and did nothing with the end, but for what is it clear to everyone?
      But tomorrow, with accusations, so supposedly understandable to everyone and without formalities, they will come to you and to me and many, and how will we distinguish justice from repression?
      Quote: Chicot 1
      After a while, the scandal will be hushed up. Or they will be stuffed with new "news". Our media have a wealth of experience in this regard ...

      Both nashenskie and nenashenskie media are working for a sensation, the topic has bothered the topic was removed, as a result we are talking about 4 billion theft in the media about 30 billion, the more the louder the louder the more popular, there is a film "Radio Day" there it is pretty funny
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 28 December 2012 14: 53
      +1
      Quote: Chicot 1
      It all ends with the fact that the case will be written off to scapegoats and scapegoats, and our ex-defense minister will remain an innocent sheep ...

      Of course, the same goats also do not interfere with their skin. So that others are not accustomed to pinching the greenery.
      And Serdyukov, in my opinion, it is easiest for the Russian authorities to slap quietly, quietly, to arrange a random accident. Forgive me, Lord ...
  32. Nechai
    Nechai 28 December 2012 13: 12
    +1
    Quote: Apollon
    . The investigation, in my opinion, should be carried out by an independent investigation team.

    From whom IS INDEPENDENT? And from whom to complete it? Perhaps the "Tau-Chinese Brotherhood" should be invited. Well, as the most fantastic - the investigation team from BELARUS ...
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 December 2012 15: 21
      +3
      Quote: Nechai
      Well, as the most fantastic - the investigation team from BELARUS ...


      Here it is! It is a pity only - to live in this wonderful time ......
    2. Apollo
      Apollo 28 December 2012 21: 30
      +1
      Quote: Nechai
      FROM WHICH INDEPENDENT? And from whom to complete it?


      joint of the FSB and Gene. Prosecutors. But not military!
    3. Denis
      Denis 29 December 2012 08: 34
      0
      Quote: Nechai
      investigation team from BELARUS

      It’s a pity that although it’s good, it’s fantastic. It would be more difficult to instruct them to give and with honesty, as it were, not bad, they say that Old Man encourages honesty?
      Friends, enlighten
  33. evgenii67
    evgenii67 28 December 2012 13: 53
    +1
    sentence
    On electric TABURETTE
  34. Snake4
    Snake4 28 December 2012 13: 56
    0
    The article is nothing more than a retelling of the latest news in free form with "caustic" remarks from the author
    1. Volodin
      28 December 2012 14: 30
      +2
      Astonishing guess! smile What is the essence of the comment: that it is not necessary to present the latest news, or that the author should not make his comments? Hmm ...
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 28 December 2012 15: 23
        +3
        Alexey everything is fine, interesting article
        1. Volodin
          28 December 2012 16: 34
          0
          Thank you, Vadim! I honestly did not understand the essence of the claims of the reader Snake4.
          1. Snake4
            Snake4 29 December 2012 11: 12
            0
            The essence of the claims is that it has become a good tradition on the site to write review articles, or articles with analytical calculations that allow you to reveal a particular poorly lit topic, and the reader will think about it.
            This article is reminiscent of the usual modern press with retelling of rumors.
            Well, the shocking towards Echo is just a tribute to the political camp to which the author belongs.
  35. cool.ya-nikola
    cool.ya-nikola 28 December 2012 14: 40
    +3
    For today's article, Alexey Volodin, undoubtedly big +! I fully share his elegant attack on Echo of Moscow! And although this is not on the topic, but I must confess, for me personally, it causes, to put it mildly, some bewilderment, the "activity" of our "National Property" (I mean, of course, our "beloved" Gazprom!), Which annually increases our prices for gas. And that all this is for the sake of a "good purpose" - to finance "Zenith" and "Echo of Moscow"?
    Well, according to our "talented manager" Stouretkin, what else can you comment on? Even if we admit for a moment his complete non-involvement in the theft (ha-ha-ha!), But for the fact that such a mess and lawlessness flourished in his department, under his wing, who should answer? Smetanova with Vasilyeva? Well, ash tree stump, you know, all the evil from women! Once Zhvanetsky, quoted the following phrase: - "I led you, I will be responsible for everything!" ... It is a pity that she did not reach Serdyukov!
    And then the circus begins!
    HENRY PADVA: Yesterday Anatoly Eduardovich Serdyukov was invited to the investigator for interrogation as a witness for today, at 10 am. Today he came there, alone, without a lawyer, because I, as his lawyer, could not, I am not healthy, and other lawyers are now generally abroad, resting.

    Just yesterday, the above-mentioned Padva (I didn’t mess up the spelling ??) was as healthy as a horse, gave interviews to reporters about the whereabouts of his client, but today (well, that’s the same thing!) He twisted a sick man!
    He appeared, said he was ready to testify. But, given his right to give them with a lawyer, I would ask you to postpone until the appearance of a lawyer. The investigation was very correct, calm, said that it was his right and it would be realized. Therefore, the interrogation did not take place. And they postponed the interrogation on the 11th of January. This is all over.
    end of quote.
    But how much you do not want, "This is all over!"
    Quote: Kyrgyz
    he did more for the army than all previous "professional" military

    Well, on this subject, I think it would be best for you to find out the opinion of General Shamanov!
  36. crambol
    crambol 28 December 2012 15: 40
    +6
    Taburetkin like that, Taburetkin like that! And who guessed to put rogue shpak to the post of defense minister of the largest state?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 28 December 2012 16: 20
      +5
      Quote: crambol
      And who guessed to put


      Really, who could it be? What is such a mysterious stranger?
    2. Lech e-mine
      Lech e-mine 28 December 2012 16: 22
      +1
      the main liberal of the country Dmitry Medvedev, our native and unforgettable nanotech superbulbs
    3. bask
      bask 30 December 2012 20: 16
      0
      Quote: crambol
      leave rogue spak to the post of Minister of Defense

      And you do not know.?. GDP.
  37. VadimSt
    VadimSt 28 December 2012 16: 17
    +1
    I won’t be surprised if, after some time, military counterintelligence and reconnaissance do not add up to the more amusing questions on the Defense Ministry related to the state secret. For simply to remain silent, to show your inactivity and complete ignorance!
    Most likely, 2013 will be marked by loud resignations and quiet retirements in the structures of the Moscow Region.
  38. homosum20
    homosum20 28 December 2012 16: 34
    +1
    "Echo of Moscow" is already alarming. That is, the body appointed by Gazprom (the government) to be the mouthpiece of democracy in Russia. That is, they are paid money for the fact that they abuse the government, which pays them money. (Hence the set of disgusting personalities acting as presenters - decent people, and even with talent, they simply would not agree. A striking example is Latin).
    And then - there is a request from society to plant a stool. Garibyan won it back. After which he was disavowed (yes, look at the surname. Garibyan, echoes of Moscow - they want to land. That means there’s nothing to plant) Combination for children, 3 fingers.
    I don’t know if there is anything to plant taburetkina for (although IMHO - it can be scattered). Novzfyat course on the excuse father-in-law Zubkov.
    And you think - how many state. he could drain secrets if he got angry.
  39. nabludatel_56
    nabludatel_56 28 December 2012 18: 40
    +2
    Most likely, the investigation will be limited to Oboronservis and Serdyukov, letting his girls go with a "locomotive" for a little money, will get off with a slight fright. But Oboronservis is a small fraction of the big damage that Serdyukov inflicted on the country's defense. It will be very difficult, if not impossible, for the army to recover from this damage in decades. After all, military education has been killed, the institution of military acceptance has been destroyed, and it’s impossible to list everything. The main thing is that the army has become imbued with market relations, or, more simply, has become a bazaar.
    The investigation of this case should not be carried out by the Investigative Committee, but by the FSB, and it must be judged not for economic crimes, but for treason.
  40. tomket
    tomket 28 December 2012 19: 54
    0
    I’m listening to the news and here, Serdyukov came for interrogation, in tinted Merc without a lawyer, to testify! I think, oh !!!! without a lawyer !!! Well, apparently confident in myself, they say to show the people, I was not involved, I have nothing to hide, ask I’ll tell you everything !!! the evening-heart refused to testify, referring to the absence of a lawyer! It seems to me the next time for him it is necessary to collect the investigation of the Inquisition so that this bastard could be untied and that people would not be mocked!
  41. Stat1k
    Stat1k 28 December 2012 20: 09
    +1
    Personal IMHO can anyone support ... Well, the discussion of course is formed under all this "rubbish", it is even quite worth it, but still how can the State react to all this, talk about the moral principles of Russian youth and strive for their development if this example proves the opposite, because the foundation of the entire future of our State depends on them, but here it is just this and the main thing that is exposed to extensive publicity, it's like a confrontation between GOOD and Evil, as a result of the victory of one of these 2 "fighters", the further perception of the world, whether it will be greedy as before and only financial achievements will be appreciated, or moral and spiritual principles will be appreciated at least somehow, and taking such "cogs" into its links will somehow change for the better, which is actually what I wanted see
    1. tomket
      tomket 28 December 2012 20: 32
      0
      our state is cynical and hypocritical, proud of it and in every possible way demonstrates this to the people
  42. Simple
    Simple 28 December 2012 20: 43
    0
    If there comes a time when there will be nothing and no one to unlock
    That SK will hear from him something like: “Everyone steals well and I tried–
    it didn’t work out. ”Here from this moment, please, in more detail ...
    But who needs this so that such a moment comes?
  43. goldnike-777
    goldnike-777 28 December 2012 21: 38
    0
    Russia: Minister of Defense Serdyukov - VOR
    http://goldnike-777.blogspot.com/2012/11/blog-post_3475.html
  44. Magadan
    Magadan 29 December 2012 07: 10
    +1
    It’s clear that a number of influential thugs will excuse Serdyukov with the help of all kinds of legal verbiage invented by the State Duma and the iksperds just for such cases. Well, there is something like "it is not proven that he knew", or some other presumption of innocence. And then the Babskiy battalion will start to get rid of. Let me remind you that the werewolves-prosecutors near Moscow have already been ousted. The business of verbiage lawyers lives and flourishes. Only this way brazenly advertising their impunity, our ranks of the pack will finish badly until 1612. And to prevent this from happening, at least we, the citizens, must honestly warn the authorities about this.
    This means that we need letters to the Investigative Committee, the Prosecutor's Office and the President, in which we, ordinary citizens, demand a legitimate result from the authorities, when "a thief should be in prison." And we do not care with the help of what legal verbiage this thief will be imprisoned. And these letters should be sent monthlycollecting more and more signatories.
  45. ramp
    ramp 29 December 2012 13: 07
    -1
    I completely agree with Kergiz. you might think the previous ministers were saints and didn’t steal, and our soldiers weren’t betrayed in Chechnya and pressure immediately began to press on the stool, as they put him on this post

    and the brigalny structure works everywhere, in America where in a couple of months Iraq fell, in China, etc., it’s just that for some reason it is ineffective
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 30 December 2012 20: 11
      0
      I agree, I agree. But why
      Quote: stingray
      rig structure works everywhere
      ,but
      Quote: stingray
      Toko here for some reason she is ineffective
      you don’t understand. because languages ​​are not trained wassat
      Even nationwide lol
  46. knn54
    knn54 29 December 2012 20: 15
    0
    Strongly recommend it to Abama (only with the girls). Let them work there.
  47. sadqwsaff
    sadqwsaff 29 December 2012 20: 19
    0
    Have you heard what our authorities are doing again ??? Now everything became known, all the information about each resident of Ukraine, Russia and the CIS countries.
    I just found this base on the Internet smll.co/aVq1c3,
    and most importantly, they did something like searching for lost relatives, but here is all the information about each of us:
    Correspondence with friends, addresses, phone numbers, place of work, and the worst thing is even my exposure of photos
    (I really don't know from where ...). In general, I was very scared - but there is such a function as "hide data"
    Of course I took advantage and I advise everyone not to hesitate, you never know
  48. itarnmag
    itarnmag 31 January 2020 11: 18
    0
    And D.A. Medvedev, under whose wing when he was president, things were going on for Serdyukov and the Company, as always nothing to do with it. And after all, none of Medvedev has ever mentioned a single word