"Renaud de Montauban": when illustrations are more interesting than text

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"Renaud de Montauban": when illustrations are more interesting than text
A still from the film "Hearts and Armor" (1983), based on the poem "Renaud de Montauban". Well, what can I say? A fairy tale is a fairy tale...


“A fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it!
Good fellows lesson.

A. S. Pushkin "The Tale of the Golden Cockerel"

Documents stories. I already wrote that the Middle Ages was by no means a time of solid fanatics with burning eyes, smelly knights and peasants, without exception, illiterate and ignorant, although, we note, all this also happened. However, there were enough fools and ignoramuses at all times. Even now, in the age of the Internet, they have not died out, let alone those distant times. Nevertheless, there were already books and people who read them.



Moreover, these were not only church books, but also secular ones. In particular, in the Middle Ages, chivalric verse novels were very popular, among which the poem "Renaud de Montaban" was extremely popular. In fact, this is a real fairy tale for adults. But it told about affairs that were close and understandable to the then seniors, and therefore it was perceived accordingly.


Miniature depicting Bayard's horse and four brothers riding on it from a XNUMXth-century Parisian manuscript. French National Library, Paris

For us, this work is of interest as an example of poetic medieval literature, but even more, in my opinion, "Reno ..." is valuable for its illustrations.

The fact is that, for example, the illustrations for most of Froissart's Chronicles were made at the end of the 1462th century, that is, what we see on them does not correspond to the time of the Hundred Years War described in them. But the illustrations that adorn the text of this poem correspond just to this time. They were made in 1470-XNUMX, and on them we see both people and their robes dating back to this time. Therein lies their value.


The heroes of the poem say goodbye to their beloved. Illustration by Loiset Llede for the poem "Renaud de Montauban", 1467-1469 Arsenal Library, Paris

Well, we will also get acquainted with the content of the poem itself.

So, who is this Renault de Montauban and why was he so popular and famous in his time?

The Italians called him Rinaldo di Montalbano, and in Holland - Reinout van Montalban or Montalbaen. And he was a legendary hero and knight, known since the XII century. It was then that the poem "The Four Sons of Aemon" was written, which told about the four sons of the Duke of Aemon - Renault, Richard, Alar and Guiscard, as well as their cousin - Mogis.

As it should be in a fairy tale, Reno has a magical horse Bayard and a sword Flamberg (Italian: Fusberta or Frusberta). Of course, he could not gain complete omnipotence, but both the horse and the sword greatly facilitated his existence and helped him more than once.


Four brothers on horseback Bayard arrive in the city of Dordonne. Illustration by Loiset Llede from the Renaud de Montauban manuscript, 1467-1469. Arsenal Library, Paris

The tale was translated into Dutch, German, Italian and English, it inspired even the Jarls of the Old Icelandic sagas and, of course, served as an incentive for subsequent sequels. Subsequently, Renault became an important character in the Italian Renaissance epic, including such works as Luigi Pulci's Morgante, Matteo Maria Boiardo's Orlando Innamorato, and Ludovico Ariosto's Orlando Furioso.


The scene of the feast allows us to examine in detail the costumes of that time ... Illustration by Loise Llede from the manuscript "Renaud de Montaban", 1467-1469. Arsenal Library, Paris

The oldest surviving version of the anonymous Old French poem about the four sons of Aemon dates from the late 18th century and includes 489 Alexandrian (12-compound) verses. This is one of the longest such poems.

Other versions range in size from 14 to 300 verses. Then it was transformed into prose novels of the 28th and 000th centuries, as a result, judging by the number of editions, it turns out that it was The Four Brothers that was the most popular chivalric romance in France at the end of the XNUMXth and the first half of the XNUMXth century.


Fragment of the previous illustration. The pages are dressed in accordance with the canon of Burgundy fashions: purpuens with padded shoulders and tight legged choises.

Well, the plot of the tale is as follows: Renault and his three brothers are the sons of Duke Aemon de Dordonne. They flee Charlemagne's court after Renault kills one of Charlemagne's nephews in a fight. The war begins, but then the advisers of Charlemagne manage to convince him to forgive the brothers and resolve the matter peacefully.


And those are their pointy shoes!

As a result, the four brothers are pardoned on the condition that Reno goes to the Holy Land on a crusade, and their magic horse Bayard, which could grow in size to carry all four brothers on his back, will be transferred to Charlemagne. Charlemagne decides to drown the magic horse, chaining it to a stone and throwing it into the river, but he manages to escape, after which he begins to live in the forest.


Gothic armor and details of clothing are very well depicted, connected by ties of cords with metal tips. The umbone of the shield is clearly cut. The spear behind the warrior is already equipped with a protective guard in the form of a "funnel". The helmet on the head of this knight is also damaged, but the head, most likely, was not seriously injured. Interestingly, his armor shows us armor of the old type, with chain mail aventail and chain mail skirt, on top of which typical Gothic shields-tassets are visible.

Reno participates in the crusades, but eventually returns to his home. But ... only to go to Cologne, where, under his care, the construction of St. Peter's Cathedral begins. He did not please the builders and they throw him into the river.

But Reno is not destined to drown, and his body miraculously returns in a cart to his brothers. He then ends up in Dortmund, where he becomes the patron of the new church and is identified with Saint Reinold.


Cathedral construction. Bricklayers carry mortar in special shoulder buckets for lime. Well, carpenters cut beams for the roof, floors and ceilings

Interestingly, in all these stories, Charlemagne is depicted as a real vengeful and insidious tyrant. Moreover, he is easily deceived by the sorcerer Moghri.

Moreover, all the narrator's sympathies are not on the side of the all-powerful, in fact, Charles, but on the side of the persecuted four brothers. Although he does not encroach on the principles of feudal suzerainty.


Mogis on his horse Bayard fights the infidels in Renaud de Montauban. Illustration by Loiset Liede, Bruges, 1462–1470

Mogis eventually gives Bayard and Fromberg to his cousin Reno.

According to one version, he becomes a hermit and dies in a cave. On the other - a senator in Rome. So the reader could choose the end of this story to his liking.

In general, to retell all the ups and downs and adventures of all these brothers and fathers would be an extremely difficult task. It's like retelling the world of Dune or Star Wars with all its sequels and prequels.


Mogis fights the Saracen wizard Noiron at Egremont, in Renaud de Montauban. Painter David Aubert, Bruges, 1462-1470 Interestingly, most of the armor in the illustrations of "Renaud de Montaban", equipped with a double cuirass (two parts, upper and lower) have its upper part either covered with bright fabric, or it is a brigandine at all, only reinforced with solid forged armor at the level of the abdomen. And this is hardly an illustrator's fantasy. Most likely, he saw warriors equipped in this way.

The most important thing here is that all the books of the cycle were rewritten many times and illustrated by a number of artists. Moreover, they were illustrated masterfully, which allows us today to visualize the clothing and military equipment of people in the last third of the XNUMXth century in the most vivid way.

Interestingly, based on the cycle in 1983, a feature film "Hearts and Armor" was shot in Italy. That's just the armor in it, well, absolutely fantastic, and even they have nothing to do with the Crusades. However, a fairy tale is a fairy tale...


This is how the page from the manuscript with the illustration looks like


But this is also ... art! Apparently, the story of an elongated horse and four brothers seriously struck the imagination of a modern artist, who sculpted them like this for the Belgian city of Grembergen! Photo by V. S. Volkov
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  1. +6
    2 September 2023 05: 48
    In general, to retell all the ups and downs and adventures of all these brothers and fathers would be an extremely difficult task. It's like retelling the world of Dune or Star Wars with all its sequels and prequels.

    Unlike the weighty Dune, the Star Wars trilogy is based on a very thin book - no more than 250-300 pages.
    However, Vyacheslav Olegovich once again acted as a tempter. I just poured coffee and was about to read a tale about brothers and their horse, how ...
    However, thank you for sure! Good morning everyone and a four-seater miracle in the garage!
    1. +6
      2 September 2023 06: 16
      Good morning to you too! It's funny what to say. Well, as for the retelling of this fairy tale... oh, I just couldn’t handle it.
      1. +3
        2 September 2023 17: 31

        A still from the film "Hearts and Armor" (1983), based on the poem "Renaud de Montauban". Well, what can I say? A fairy tale is a fairy tale...

        But looking in the mirror, shaving is comfortable. This normal traveling version of a helmet is a Nesser. Anything is better. than to carry a purse with you on hikes. Yes, you can apply it to bruises smile
    2. +4
      2 September 2023 12: 19
      Namesake, hello. What kind of coffee do you drink? I somehow “moved” to instant
      1. +4
        2 September 2023 15: 14
        Quote: vladcub
        Namesake, hello. What kind of coffee do you drink? I somehow “moved” to instant

        Hello, Vlad!
        I drink different things. At home I cook in a coffee maker, and at work I brew Viennese insoluble:

        In the apartment, mostly soluble:

        Somewhere like that.
  2. +3
    2 September 2023 06: 08
    There is something familiar in appearance about the figures on the horse.

    1. +3
      2 September 2023 06: 17
      Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
      There is something familiar in appearance about the figures on the horse.

      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++
    2. +2
      2 September 2023 12: 31
      I wouldn't give up such a horse.
      Now I caught myself thinking. In agriculture, such a horse plows in 4 x
      Actually, I would keep it at the "postal station"
      - caretaker, my wife and I urgently need to go to Muhosk.
      - I have one horse left, but it will easily carry 4 and not only to Muhosk, but also to Leshigrad, and therefore the 4th dachshund
      PS. You need to ask Anton: the Russian monetary system: veks, kunas, hryvnias, what was equal to what, etc.
      1. +6
        2 September 2023 12: 36
        Russian monetary system: vekshi, kuna, hryvnia,

        There have never been any veks, kunas, or hryvnias in the Russian monetary system.
        1. +5
          2 September 2023 15: 30
          Quote from Frettaskyrandi
          Russian monetary system: vekshi, kuna, hryvnia,

          There have never been any veks, kunas, or hryvnias in the Russian monetary system.

          Don't distort VikNik.
          In the trade turnover of the Old Russian principalities, the first, second and third were used. To be honest, calling it a monetary system is probably not entirely true.
          However, the hryvnia as a monetary equivalent survived until the beginning of the 15th century, slightly missing the liberation of the Moscow sovereigns from the Mongol-Tatar yoke. Kuns, however, as “corporate bills” of trading shops survived until the 14th century.
          1. +4
            2 September 2023 16: 05
            Don't distort VikNik.

            Yes, I’m just not exaggerating. Even such a patriotic publication as the modern Great Russian Encyclopedia says that the Russian state was no earlier than the end of the XNUMXth century, and the monetary system consisted of the ruble, half a ruble, hryvnia, penny, kopeck, denga, half-denga and pula.
            1. +2
              2 September 2023 17: 15
              Quote from Frettaskyrandi
              Don't distort VikNik.

              Yes, I’m just not exaggerating. Even such a patriotic publication as the modern Great Russian Encyclopedia says that the Russian state was not earlier than the end of the XNUMXth century, and the monetary system consisted of the ruble, half a ruble, hryvnia, pennies, kopecks, dengi, half-dengi and pula.

              Viktor Nikolaevich, you contradict yourself, although on the whole you are right.
              Dear Slava, like me, considers Russia the successor to the Old Russian state, including during the period of princely fragmentation and the Mongol-Tatar yoke. Before the loss of independence, the Russian principalities freely operated the “hryvnia” within the framework of trade, judicial, legal and tax relations. However, the hryvnia was the equivalent of a silver bar and had different weights on the territory of the principalities. With the Tatar-Mongol yoke, the Khan's system of money entered the system of the Russian principality, but the hryvnia (later the ten-kopeck piece) as a standard was borrowed after the annexation by the Moscow princes of Novgorod. The hryvnia finally disappears from trade circulation under Vasily Ivanovich (father of Ivan the Terrible).
              1. +1
                2 September 2023 19: 22
                Viktor Nikolaevich, you contradict yourself

                I don’t contradict, I just didn’t clarify the moment that in the XNUMXth century the hryvnia was no longer a means of payment, but became a weight unit from which coins were minted - hryvnias.
                Dear Slava, like me, considers Russia the successor of the Old Russian state

                I wonder what country do you consider the successor of the Carolingian empire?
      2. +3
        2 September 2023 12: 45
        It is necessary to ask Anton: the monetary system of Russia
        With this - to Vashchenko. I am more and more in Western Europe.
      3. +3
        2 September 2023 16: 43
        I wouldn't give up such a horse.


        Every whim for your money! Power is exactly 4 horsepower. In Yekaterinburg, a similar papelats is sold for 23 thousand. laughing
        1. +5
          2 September 2023 17: 23
          "The iron horse is replacing the peasant horse" (c) laughing
        2. +1
          2 September 2023 23: 09
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          I wouldn't give up such a horse.


          Every whim for your money! Power is exactly 4 horsepower. In Yekaterinburg, a similar papelats is sold for 23 thousand. laughing

          A good price, when you plow 5 acres of compacted soil, all evening and all night there is a tremor in your hands, as if you plowed a shift at the face together with Stakhanov...
          Laziness is the engine of progress, it’s good to be an operator, sit on buttons and press pedals, the very thing where the MTZ-82 will not go:

          or
  3. +5
    2 September 2023 06: 59
    what As they say: a fairy tale is a lie, but there is a hint in it ...
    Or a big horse, or brothers still ... young wink

    For some reason I remembered "A Yankee in King Arthur's Court". Apparently, the designer Albin Liebisch and the owner of Böhmerland-Motorradbau were inspired by this poem, creating and setting up the production of motorcycles:

    Looking at this beauty, you will believe in four riders of medium build Yes :
  4. +4
    2 September 2023 08: 18
    illustrations for most of Froissart's "Chronicles" were made at the end of the 1462th century, that is, what we see on them does not correspond to the time of the Hundred Years War described in them. But the illustrations that adorn the text of this poem correspond just to this time. They were made in 1470-XNUMX,
    It became interesting what could radically change in a quarter of a century?
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    1. +2
      2 September 2023 09: 49
      Hello Buddy, as far as I understand, the illustrations do not correspond to the described era of Charlemagne. However, the plot itself also contradicts the political and socio-cultural picture of the world of the 9th century. My personal opinion is that the events at the turn of the 12th-13th centuries, before the Mongol invasion of Europe, lay down in the narrative.
      1. +2
        2 September 2023 11: 14
        illustrations do not correspond to the described era
        Oh Vlad...
        Manuscript minatures very rarely correspond to the era described. It's time, as Viktor Nikolayevich says, to write a series of articles, under the general title "The Middle Ages: people and colors" ...
  5. +7
    2 September 2023 09: 35
    The most interesting moment for the domestic reader is not mentioned - thanks to which Renault de Montauban was almost invulnerable in battles. what And this is the possession of "bon haubert qui en Roussie", that is, "good chain mail, which is from Rus'" .. wink
    1. +2
      2 September 2023 10: 23
      Very debatable. In Rus', the Hauberg were unknown, as Kirpichnikov repeatedly spoke about.
      My respect, Paul!
      1. +3
        2 September 2023 11: 17
        IMHO - the term haubert was used simply in the meaning of chain mail .. A variation of which, in general, it was ..

        hi
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 11: 37
          Let's just say that there is a fairly strong opinion that any underarmor was called a hauberg, regardless of whether it was mail or cotton. By the way, about 3 years ago I was ridiculed on the forum for comparing the brigandine with the hauberg.
          1. +3
            2 September 2023 11: 58
            It seemed to me - usually a hauberk is a long chain mail to the knees with a hood and mittens braided? what
            1. +4
              2 September 2023 12: 08
              Everything is unsteady ... Nowadays, the method of laying facade bricks is called "hauberk". request
      2. +1
        2 September 2023 16: 21
        Quote: Thanks to the chain mail from Moscow, Renault was almost invulnerable

        Quote:Very controversial according to Kirpichnikov

        Kirpichnikov did not even imagine that this would create a precedent in the future - later Renault was being sculpted with might and main in Moscow laughing
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 17: 35
          later "Renault" was sculpted with might and main in Moscow
          Well, these are the kind of cars...
          If I had the opportunity to choose, I would buy a Saab 900. An indestructible bucket!
    2. +3
      2 September 2023 13: 36
      And this is the possession of "bon haubert qui en Roussie", that is, "good chain mail, which is from Rus'" ..

      In novels and songs, countries lived their lives. In the medieval tradition of Russie, Roussie is a distant exotic country that is localized anywhere in the east. Fairy Kings Of Russia like Baraton, they either fight with Saladin, or put up with him. Or to Charlemagne is the envoy of King Garcilla, who called himself the owner of Spain, Alexandria, Tire, Sidon, Russia and Persia
      This despite the fact that real Rus' is known in France and even more so in Germany.
      La Russie dans la littérature française du Moyen Âge : la population et ses richesses
      https://www.persee.fr/doc/slave_0080-2557_1929_num_9_3_7445

      Frettaskyrandi will tell you more if he wants to.
  6. 0
    2 September 2023 09: 42
    and the Flamberg sword

    It is noteworthy, but a sword with that name really existed!

    As a full-fledged military weapon, it appeared in the middle of the XNUMXth century and was used mainly by mercenaries - landsknechts, Swiss, etc.
    1. +8
      2 September 2023 10: 12
      Hello Artem!
      I think that “Flamberg” by de Montauban corresponded to the illustration you provided just as much as “Excalibur” corresponded to this one:
      1. +2
        2 September 2023 10: 29
        Good afternoon, Anton! hi

        I think that it could well remind itself ... Although stop! stop "Renault de Montaban" appeared earlier than the flamberg, which I wrote about above! "Reno" appeared in the XV century, and flamberg - almost a century later! Although I do not exclude the possibility that it could be his prototype. Or it was a special name for the sword (in those days, swords were even given "own" names! Yes
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 11: 29
          The plot of Renault de Montauban has been known since the XNUMXth century. Accordingly, "Flamberg" was most likely an ordinary "Carolingian" and has nothing to do with "flaming blades", except for the general shape of the weapon.
          1. 0
            3 September 2023 14: 04
            In the 12th century, the Romanesque sword was already in use, including in Rus'.

            You are wrong about Renault. Yes
        2. +3
          2 September 2023 12: 04
          I think it might well remind...

          Couldn't. In mythology, the adjective flamberge, floberge, froberge, flamboyante does not indicate the form, but the magical power of the sword.
          For example, the ruler of Muspelheim Surt, the Trojan Atenor, the cherubs guarding the Garden of Eden after the expulsion of Adam and Eve, the hero of the French cycle of the XII century La Geste de Garin de Monglane Begon owned such a sword.
          1. +2
            2 September 2023 12: 14
            Viktor Nikolaevich, in the commentary I then rejected my assumption about whether it resembles or does not resemble, I rejected it in the commentary, remembering that the Renault and the flamberge as weapons of the Landsknechts appeared at different times. And at the very end of the comment I suggested that this is the proper name of the sword, and not the name.
            1. +3
              2 September 2023 12: 26
              I assumed it was the proper name of the sword

              This is not a proper name, it is an adjective indicating magical power. But a proper name may or may not be present. For example, Surt's froberge (loganda sverð) had the name Sumarbrander. The Flamberge of Celtic legends, belonging to Rydderch Hael, was called Dirnwyn.
      2. +2
        2 September 2023 10: 38
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        "Excalibur"

        And this, if anything, "Excalibur" in a "modern modification"! smile
  7. +3
    2 September 2023 09: 47
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    It is noteworthy that Charlemagne is now considered a cult character in Europe - even an award was established in his honor, which is awarded for certain services to the EU.
    1. +3
      2 September 2023 16: 28
      Quite a controversial, even “stupid” choice. Charlemagne, being a Christian monarch, mainly fought with the northern pagan Saxons. Moreover, in most cases, his allies were West Slavic tribes. The latter even took part in his campaigns in Italy.
  8. +2
    2 September 2023 09: 48
    The Templars nervously smoke on the sidelines...


    And Odin, with his "SUV", frankly laughs at this "bus". laughing
    1. +3
      2 September 2023 12: 17
      The Templars nervously smoke on the sidelines...

      This is Bayard smoking on the sidelines, looking at the seven-seater “white horse” from French folklore.

      1. +3
        2 September 2023 12: 28
        seven-seater "white horse"
        This is where the “legs grow” from driver category “B”!
      2. +2
        2 September 2023 12: 30
        This is Bayard smoking on the sidelines
        This hare can be taught to smoke, but a drop of nicotine will kill Bayard.
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 12: 45
          a drop of nicotine will kill Bayard.

          By the way, the meme about a drop of nicotine and a horse is quite drawn to the article.
          This hare can be taught to smoke

          It is forbidden. Pure nicotine was isolated by the German doctors Christian Wilhelm Possel and Carl Ludwig Reimann in 1828. And the first animal they killed with a drop of nicotine was a relative of the hare, the rabbit.
          1. +3
            2 September 2023 12: 55
            By the way, the meme about a drop of nicotine and a horse is quite drawn to the article.
            "Hamsters" have pity, they will be torn to pieces!
            1. +4
              2 September 2023 13: 05
              "Hamsters" have pity, they will be torn to pieces!

              Spray into atoms. In 1889, the Paris Medical Bulletin clarified that the lethal dose for a horse is eight drops of nicotine.
    2. +5
      2 September 2023 16: 57
      Quote 3x3zsave (Anton): The Templars are nervously smoking on the sidelines..

      I would clarify a little - modern Templars. Here they are smoking nervously, nervously, and amphetamine nervously laughing
      The largest Mexican drug cartel is modestly called Los Caballeros Templarios - "Knights Templar."



      In March 2011, the cartel published a twenty-two-page booklet entitled "The Templar Code", inspired by the medieval charter:
      “[Our] main mission is to protect the inhabitants and sacred territory of... Michoacán,” it begins. According to the code, new members are accepted into the cartel by the council of cartel masters (!!!???), take an oath of allegiance to them, which must be observed even at the cost of their own lives, and are obliged to fight evil, which includes materialism, injustice and tyranny, “against the corruption of moral foundations and against the destructive elements that prevail in modern society"... (c)
      That's it - no more and no less. what winked smile
      So now the true knights of the order, founded by Hugh de Payns in Jerusalem in 1119, are nervously smoking on the sidelines. Yes
      1. +4
        2 September 2023 17: 57
        Any non-state corporation can be destroyed by the central government (if it does not have the power to do so). Khodorkovsky will confirm...
  9. +1
    2 September 2023 16: 10
    And those are their pointy shoes!

    I wonder why she is like this?
    There are two options:
    1. Limit the speed of movement around the castle.
    2. Indicate the social distance of the servant relative to the master.
    More options ?
    1. +1
      2 September 2023 18: 21
      Quote from cpls22
      And those are their pointy shoes!

      I wonder why she is like this?
      There are two options:

      1. Limit the speed of movement around the castle.
      2. Indicate the social distance of the servant relative to the master.
      More options ?

      It was convenient to step on the tails of the Duchess's favorite lapdogs. laughing
      1. +2
        2 September 2023 18: 35
        or in order not to stumble upon this lapdog, carrying a tray of food).
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 19: 13
          I wonder why the shoes are so pointy?

          This topic in the "History" section has been "sucked" more than once for ten years. Especially for you, I will answer in a nutshell:
          It is known that these long shoes, which slipped comfortably into stirrups, appeared in Europe at the time when the crusaders returned from the First Crusade in 1099, and brought with them national oriental shoes with pointed toes, which were called babushi and were sewn from embossed morocco . According to the annals of the monk, Orderic Vitaly, who lived in the 1312th-1377th centuries, poulenes quickly took root in Europe thanks to the famous dandy French Count Fulk IV Le Reschen. In the future, the long toes of the shoes became the privilege of the nobility, a kind of demonstration of the wealth of the owner. How rich this or that fashionista could be determined simply by glancing at his shoes: the longer the toe of the shoes was, the more noble and richer their owner was. The length of the sock was strictly regulated. According to the title of King Edward III of England (2,5-76), a law was passed limiting the length of the toe of shoes for everyone who had an income of at least forty pounds a year: For example, princes and earls were allowed to wear 1,5 feet (45 cm) ), while the knights had to make do with 15 feet (XNUMX cm) long. Ordinary citizens and farmers could wear pullets with a length of only half a foot (XNUMX cm).
          1. +3
            2 September 2023 19: 59
            By about 1475, poulets were no longer actively worn in many countries of Europe, in some countries they were forbidden to be worn, with the only exception being jesters who amused the royal court.
            1. +1
              2 September 2023 22: 13
              Thanks for the extended answer! I certainly would not have thought that the peddlers of dishes in the illustration are wealthy people). It is all the more difficult for me to imagine how a count or a prince will dismount, having managed to put this bullet in the stirrup. It seems to be a very inconvenient procedure. But beauty requires sacrifice
              And from the aristocracy in the first place, it turns out.
    2. +4
      2 September 2023 19: 11
      Quote from cpls22
      More options ?

      Just fashion. In order not to lose the stirrup, the knights had very long socks on their armored shoes. Well, they migrated to peaceful shoes. Show - I'm a knight too!
      1. +6
        2 September 2023 20: 08
        Show - I'm a knight too!

        Greetings, Vyacheslav Olegovich! Now I understand why in the 90s my wife bought me pointed boots. It turns out everything is very simple. wink
        What woman does not dream of a knight on a white horse (c) lol

        PS. Thank you for the article!! I enjoyed reading your post and your comments.
        1. +3
          2 September 2023 21: 02
          For some reason they always pushed me away. There was a period of fashion.

          Probably, thinking is not higher than Yeoman. Small fry.
          1. +3
            2 September 2023 21: 21
            For some reason they always pushed me away.

            To be honest, me too. I wouldn't buy these for myself. And so ... I had to wear it. where are you going.
            Good evening, Sergey!
      2. +1
        2 September 2023 22: 24
        Sharp noses for the convenience of handling the stirrup - this is not in doubt. Cowboys also have something similar, it seems. And the Mongols seem to have it too, but with their noses turned up. Although there is another justification for this.
        Probably, extra-long toes of shoes existed more in illustrations - "fashion magazines" of that time. Or is there material evidence of such excesses? I just can’t believe that the powerful of this world (of that) could sacrifice their convenience in such a way.
  10. +5
    2 September 2023 17: 06
    “Apparently, the story of the elongating horse and the four brothers seriously struck the imagination of the modern artist.”
    It's five"!!!
    But, as an artist, I will tell you: anyone can offend an artist.....not everyone can withstand a blow from an easel!!!
    :) :)
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      2 September 2023 20: 26
      Initially, in the Byzantine era in the XNUMXth and XNUMXth centuries, portable altar stands were called an easel. In the knightly era, "Molbert pour l'armure" began to be called portable plank shields with hooks on which armor was stored in castles. The first easels for artists will appear only in the XNUMXth century in Holland.
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        2 September 2023 20: 58
        The first easels for artists will appear only in the XNUMXth century in Holland.

        And easel painting appeared at the end of the XIV century. The question is, what did the artists paint on?
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          2 September 2023 21: 42
          the question is, what did the artists paint on then?

          On what? On canvas. They stretched the canvas on a stretcher. and the subframe itself was put on the machine

          What they were called, I don't know. I fully admit that they are also easels. When I wrote: "The first easels for artists will appear only in the XNUMXth century in Holland," I meant - portable, now widely used by artists
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            2 September 2023 22: 16
            I fully admit that also easels

            That's right, easels. The oldest depiction of an easel is on an Egyptian relief from the Old Kingdom - 2150 BC. Unfortunately, the relief itself has not yet been found.
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            2 September 2023 23: 28
            On three legs a folding easel for a workshop. Its task is to hold the canvas on a stretcher or cardboard or other material steadily and with an adjustable tilt. Paints, pencils and crayons were placed on a stand nearby or on a palette (paints).
            Later, paints began to be packaged in tubes or watercolors in tablets. The easel was equipped with a box for paints, palettes and brushes, the design was redesigned so that the legs folded, they were reduced in size and it turned out to be a SKETCHBOOK. A comprehensive solution for plein air travel.
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              3 September 2023 00: 09

              Rembrandt Harmens Van Rijn Parents


              Adrian van Ostade artist's studio 1663
              In the artist’s left hand is a mashtab - “a wooden stick with a ball at the end, which holds the hand when working with small details and prevents it from touching the wet paint layer.
              Artists who paint in an academic style work with the mashtable, where it is especially necessary to register the smallest details and work with glazes.
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    25 January 2024 01: 01
    It seems to me that you are simply...measuring swords. But in reality there is a conflict between the north and south of France, which took place before Charles, starting and ending with the Huguenots