“Follows the Su-57 concept”: France is developing a Superman fighter project with “stealth maneuverability”

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“Follows the Su-57 concept”: France is developing a Superman fighter project with “stealth maneuverability”

The French aerospace research center ONERA is working on the Superman project, which creates the concept of a fighter capable of combining maneuverability and stealth, like the Su-57.

As indicated in the Air Cosmos publication, the corresponding mock-up tests are being carried out in the ONERA wind tunnel in Modan. During testing, the developer tries to find the optimal balance between the three main characteristics of the fighter - maneuverability, stealth and speed.



The name of the Superman project may suggest exceptional maneuverability, while it is more about maneuverability in stealth conditions.

- explained in ONERA.

Previously, designers could not find the optimal balance. For example, although the inconspicuous F-22 can be called maneuverable, it is not sufficiently maneuverable, since it has vector thrust only along two axes (due to the requirements for stealth from the rear side of the fuselage), while the Su-35, which is "stealth "is not, - three each.

The contradiction is present in any case: the larger the surface of the keel, the higher the maneuverability of the apparatus and the less secretive it is. So all this story compromise.


ONERA, in search of the optimal solution for the development of a new design, took advantage of Russian experience:

The aircraft we are creating follows the concept of the Su-57, that is, it should be a maneuvering machine that combines limited stealth.



To achieve this goal, the developers took advantage of Levcon's technical solution. This is the name of an additional inclined plane attached to the wing root in front, which increases lift at low speeds, provides a large angle of attack and allows you to quickly exit the stall. At the moment, Levcon is used on two types of aircraft - the Russian Su-57 and the Indian Tejas.

In fact, this is the only control [of the aircraft] that we do not know enough about.

- say the French designers.

According to them, the example of the Su-57 shows that when creating the desired angle of attack, you can control the relative position of the air intake and Levcon. The concept created by ONERA is called by the developers a “technological feat”:

The model is a technical masterpiece: the rudders move at a speed of 100 degrees per second, and their positioning is guaranteed to within 0,1 degrees.


At the moment, the model is blown in a wind tunnel only at low speeds for a fighter (200 km/h). Over time, it will be equipped with an engine and a set of thrusters, which will increase speed.

However, we must remember that very high maneuverability is not achieved at Mach 2.

- the developers explain.

The shape of the airfoil, when viewed from above, is very similar to the design of the Su-57. Its characteristic angles help to avoid stalling. When changing the angle of attack in cruise mode, the pitching moment of the aircraft is zero. For the Superman, this formula works up to Mach 0,85.

In the course of the work, the designers are trying to link the Levcon with the vortex flows that create lift for the aircraft.

The Russians didn't call the Levcon the "controller" for nothing, since it's a steering wheel that controls the vortices on the leading edge.

- the developers explain.

They cite a steep pitch-up as an example: the aircraft must lose speed during a sharp climb, but Levcon, by manipulating the vortexes, allows [lightning] to return to the nose-down position to restore speed.

Will future [NATO] combat aircraft be equipped with Levcon? At the moment, the answer cannot be in the affirmative, because this decision will be made by the manufacturers. However, Onera makes this choice possible.

- summed up in the French edition.

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  1. +1
    20 August 2023 13: 43
    "Follows the Su-57 concept": France is developing superman fighter project with "maneuverability in stealth conditions"
    recourse Rather, it's Skat, some kind of .... requestPHOTO1.
    1. -1
      20 August 2023 14: 21
      Something in between the Su-57 and S-70 Okhotnik.
      1. +1
        20 August 2023 17: 28
        You can want and plan endlessly, the result is in question. China created a 5th generation aircraft with limited characteristics, but I don’t expect such a pace from France, I don’t even doubt my plans. They couldn’t create anything acceptable with the entire European Union, let alone France ... Macron must sell all of France in order to make at least an acceptable sample, I don’t believe in the series at all.
        1. 0
          20 August 2023 21: 55
          Quote: NIKNN
          You can want and plan endlessly, the result is in question.

          France does not need this aircraft "in the near future", they recently re-equipped their Air Force with very expensive Rafales, which are very good and in everything except stealth correspond to the 5th generation (AFAR radar, avionics, engines, communications, maneuverability, composition of weapons). So for the next 15 years, everything is fine with military aviation. therefore, they simply began work on the future aircraft, already using STEALTH technology. And nothing drives them.
          Quote: NIKNN
          Macron must sell all of France in order to make at least an acceptable sample, I don’t believe in the series at all.

          France may even disappear from the world map in the near future ... or into the "wild field" and the country of the post-apocalypse. If they decide (for example) on a military adventure in Central Africa. They will simply be torn, roasted and devoured by their own migranka. And do not forget that the population of Niger, although blacks, are predominantly Sunni Muslims.
          What does it mean ?
          This means that this very poor country can receive support from VERY RICH brothers in faith ... starting from Algeria and the Maghreb and the Middle East, up to all the Muslim countries of the world and all of Black Africa. An unenviable prospect for France.
          So you are absolutely right - the project of this aircraft may not survive until the implementation.
          Quote from Orange Bigg
          Something in between the Su-57 and S-70 Okhotnik.

          The French, starting from the first "Mirages" and work on the "Concorde", adhere to the concept of "tailless" - gliders without tails. All the Mirages were like that (with the exception of the Mirage-F1), and so was the Rafal. So is it surprising that, having taken the airframe configuration from the Su-57 as a basis (with front control elements-controllers at the wing root), they remained true to their tradition? They're just used to it. request
          The Mirage-5 glider was taken by the Israelis for their Kfirs, and their Lavi was also tailless. And now the derivatives of "Lavi" - J-10 (dai J-20 too) are also tailless. So do not judge strictly the legislators of this fashion.
          And by the way - it is the "tailless" scheme for the 5th generation aircraft that will very seriously improve its stealth characteristics. In the USA, such concepts are also being considered.
  2. -1
    20 August 2023 13: 48
    I wonder what prevented the Su57 from making the air intakes more recessed into the fuselage, but wider? They would give any necessary amount of air for the engine to work!
  3. -1
    20 August 2023 13: 49
    the concept looks like a su-57

    ps
    and did not know that the su-57 became the standard
  4. 0
    20 August 2023 13: 56
    As if exceptional maneuverability is limited by human physiology. Will pilots be grown using genetic engineering?
    1. +1
      20 August 2023 14: 08
      Modern anti-g suits give the pilot 10g
      1. 0
        20 August 2023 14: 24
        URAL72, an anti-g suit is good, but nothing has been invented for the eyes yet.
  5. +2
    20 August 2023 14: 02
    The new fighter is being developed jointly by France and Germany (Dassault, Airbus, MTU Aero Engines, Safran, MBDA, Thales), Spain has also joined the program, and Belgium has become an observer.

    It will look different, apparently.



  6. +1
    20 August 2023 14: 11
    since it has vector thrust only in two axes (due to the requirements for stealth on the rear side of the fuselage), while the Su-35, which is not a “stealth”, has three


    In three axes, vector thrust is like, can one of the engineers explain? Or the author knows what he wrote
    1. 0
      20 August 2023 20: 10
      The first axis is up and down.
      The second axis - to the right - to the left.
      The third axis - forward - backward.
      The third axis always exists, the first one is when the nozzle is flat, theoretically a flat nozzle can be directed to the right - to the left, another question is why? And what the author had in mind - I have no idea. hi
  7. 0
    20 August 2023 14: 37
    I hope that the French program will cost a lot, and slip no worse than our pack, and the timeframe to take off in fifteen years, but seriously, for the Yankees, a competitor is like a bone in the throat, they can stuff sticks in their wheels, like with Australia and submarines.
    1. -1
      20 August 2023 15: 07
      Quote: Codett
      I hope that the French program will cost a lot, and slip no worse than our pack


      French combat aircraft of the latest generation ("Rafal") produced in the amount of two and a half hundred, and not less than two dozen like the Su-57.
      1. 0
        20 August 2023 17: 20
        Quote: Maxim G
        Quote: Codett
        I hope that the French program will cost a lot, and slip no worse than our pack


        French combat aircraft of the latest generation ("Rafal") produced in the amount of two and a half hundred, and not less than two dozen like the Su-57.

        Rafal should be compared with the Su-35, like aircraft of the same generation.
        About 35 Su-100s were produced, but Rafal began to be produced 10 years earlier than the Su-35.
        1. 0
          20 August 2023 17: 42
          Quote: Captain Pushkin
          Rafal should be compared with the Su-35, like aircraft of the same generation.
          About 35 Su-100s were produced, but Rafal began to be produced 10 years earlier than the Su-35.

          One generation with the Su-27 Mirage 2000 family.
          The Rafal is the next generation, just like the F-22, F-35, J-20, Su-57.
          1. 0
            20 August 2023 20: 17
            "Rafal" is the same generation as the Su-27/30/35, as well as the Mirage 2000. The years of creation and production have nothing to do with the generation. And in general, these generational games are child's play and do not affect anything at all.
            1. 0
              21 August 2023 03: 11
              Next, the years have nothing to do with it.
              It's about features.
              1. 0
                21 August 2023 09: 17
                The characteristics of the subsequent model are always better than the previous one. And what? Call it a new generation? For what??? What does it affect? The military and engineers are deeply indifferent to the classification into generations. They care about characteristics. The division into generations is often very conditional, and this is what the +++ that have appeared are talking about. I repeat - a game of generations, this is for amateurs, professionals operate with characteristics. hi
                1. 0
                  21 August 2023 09: 54
                  Quote: Sergey Valov
                  I repeat - a game of generations, this is for amateurs, professionals operate with characteristics.

                  The characteristics put it on a par with the F-22, F-35, J-20, Su-57 aircraft I have listed above.
                  But not with the Su-27 family.
  8. +1
    20 August 2023 14: 44
    France is developing superman fighter project with "maneuverability in stealth conditions"

    And where is the "famous" red cape with the letter "S"?

    The French aerospace research center ONERA is working as part of the Superman project

    Well, then maybe the final name will be different.
  9. +1
    20 August 2023 15: 09
    "it (F-22) has vector thrust only in two axes (due to the requirements for stealth on the rear side of the fuselage), while the Su-35, which is not a stealth, has three." ///
    ----
    Su-57, which is "stealth", - also - along three axes Yes
    Levcon, improving maneuverability, worsens "stealth".
    You will have to choose: either supersonic, or super-maneuverability, or stealth (radio stealth).
  10. +2
    20 August 2023 15: 35
    As indicated in the Air Cosmos publication, the corresponding mock-up tests are being carried out in the ONERA wind tunnel in Modan.

    This is one of the steps. More work is underway on the Superman project in a wind tunnel in the city of Lille, where the behavior of a combat aircraft within its flight range is being studied. The new LEVCON control surface for future stealth aircraft is said to allow a 100° nose dive in one second.

    1. 0
      20 August 2023 17: 06
      No slats, flaps and rotary nozzles can cancel the forces of inertia.
      And these forces are thrown somersault and destroy any apparatus that performs a sharp maneuver at high speed.
      All super-maneuverability of the Su-35/57 is performed at speeds of 0.5-0.6 MAX.
      And the enemy knows it.
      And at a speed of 0.9 MAX, the "clumsy penguin" F-35 performs turns and turns sharper than the Su.
      1. 0
        20 August 2023 20: 27
        And then there is the rotating part of the engine - shafts, blades, which is a magnificent powerful gyroscope with all the consequences. I once heard from one smart person, a specialist in this field, that it is difficult to imagine what monstrous forces act on the turbine blades during sharp maneuvers.
  11. 0
    20 August 2023 15: 53
    Well, if the plane is Superman, then the pilots for it also need to be trained according to the Superman program, I think ... And anti-g pants ... kghm ... costumes with the letter Sy in Latin, it’s definitely time to order French couturier ... lol
  12. 0
    20 August 2023 16: 23
    For example, although the inconspicuous F-22 can be called maneuverable, but not enough ..... If, of course, consider the nozzle up and down 2 planes, then I have 2 geometry
  13. 0
    20 August 2023 20: 34
    “In the course of testing” - dear author, aviation equipment is NEVER tested on test benches, this is IMPOSSIBLE! Testing and testing are completely different processes.
  14. 0
    21 August 2023 10: 45
    Is the color of the glider in the first photo a hint of its future value? wink
  15. 0
    22 August 2023 05: 40
    writing the seventh last legacy of a great country. We won’t even be able to repeat this ourselves, let alone frog lovers.