Military Review

US Balkanization

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According to opinion polls, over 70% of Americans consider the US government system ineffective. At the same time, approximately every fifth is ready to support the separatists in his state, advocating the transformation of states dissatisfied with Washington, primarily southern, into separate states.

The dynamics of what is happening after the election of Barack Obama for a second term as president makes it possible to conclude that there is the most acute domestic political crisis in America since the civil war 1861-1865 ... Interestingly, 2013 will mark exactly 150 years from the time when The wars Russia and its fleet saved the integrity of the North American United States, which then had as big a problem with the separatists as it is today. Since England and France intended to support the separatist speeches, the Russian emperor Alexander II, at the request of President Lincoln, sent a military squadron of Admiral S. Lysovsky to the shores of America. This cooled the fervor of England and other powers that had intended, having landed troops in 1863 in Mexico, to ensure the victory of the southerners and, in fact, dismember the United States, annexing a number of southern states to Mexico, and the northern states to British Canada. The Russian sailors in the harbors of the Hudson and San Francisco met with these plans as heroes, with flowers and hugs, literally carried in their arms ...

Even more interesting is that the problems and then the civil war in the United States also began after the election of the president (Lincoln), due to the dissatisfaction of the southern states that are now leading in the list of those who submitted petitions for separation from the United States.

Texas today is considered the main stronghold of American separatism. In its time, after a multi-month war of independence with Mexico, it became a separate state - the Republic of Texas, which retained sovereignty from 1836 to 1845. Since the confrontation with a neighbor took too many resources, against the will of the majority of citizens of the Texas Republic, its authorities asked for a protectorate of Washington. With an important condition: Texans have the right to withdraw from the United States at any time. Therefore, now Texas is the only one of the US states that has the right to hold a referendum on the issue of secession, and also has the right to raise its Texas flag to the same level as the state. Today, roughly 25% of state residents are in favor of an immediate declaration of independence for Texas. About 35% believe that the state has the right to secession. "The staff of a lone star" is very rich in oil. This is the second state in the United States by territory, population (over 23 million) and economic well-being (over the past three years, about 40% of new jobs in the US have been created here). Believing that they are feeding, dressing and arming the rest of America, Texans have demonstrated their willingness to give up the federal budget money even at the most critical moment of the April 2009 financial crisis of the year. And the governor of the state of James Perry bluntly announced the possibility of secession from the United States.

California is the richest and largest state in America, whose authorities are capable of pursuing an independent foreign policy and already have an intergovernmental agreement with another state, signed a few years ago by Governor A. Schwarzenegger and then-British Prime Minister T. Blair. Many of the residents of the state believe that they are being forced to pay the federal treasury "too much" and therefore support the "California Separatist Party" and numerous media campaigns campaigning for California independence. In July, 2011, the media reported that the 13 districts of California (with a total population of 13 million) are considering the possibility of creating a new state - Southern California.

South Carolina, which continues its policy of independence from Washington, has already offered to introduce its money through the mouth of Republican Senator Lee Bright. Similar initiatives are being made by the legislators of Virginia, Georgia, Missouri, Idaho, and Minnesota. A few more states require the use of gold and silver as a settlement tool. This project is quite real, because under US law, states have the right to use their currency. Even the leadership of New York periodically comes up with the idea of ​​turning this center of business and political life of the United States into a Free City. For the first time the idea was announced on the eve of the civil war by the mayor of Fernando Wood. The latest initiative at the moment was sounded in 2006 from the words of city council member Peter Vallone and was supported by almost half of the city council members.

Residents of 4,5-millionth Louisiana in November of this year appealed to B. Obama with a request to declare the independence of their state and the formation of their own government. In Michigan, divided into two parts by a lake, the population of the northern part, identifying itself as Finns and numbering about 70%, periodically advocates secession and proclamation of the independent Republic of Upper Michigan. Supporters of sovereignty planned to hold a corresponding referendum on this issue as early as the 1960-s. In Utah, the most religious state of the United States, 70% of the population of which are Mormon sectarians who fanatically supported their co-religionist M. Romney in the last presidential election are not averse to proclaiming the first state in the world based on their faith.

In Maine, the most French-speaking of the states, the Freedom to Maine movement is active, supported by influential officials and approximately 20% of the population. In Vermont, the former sovereign state from 1777 to 1791, a growing number of supporters of the independence of the Second Vermont Republic (Second Vermont Republic). Lieutenant Governor of Vermont directly proposes the creation of an independent republic. This idea is already supported by 13% Vermontans who identify with Indians on independence issues. In Alaska, which for a long time belonged to Russia, the Alaskan Independence Party (The Alaskan Independence Party) operates, demanding greater independence from the center and supported by more than 4% of the population. In Hawaii, opened by a Russian expedition, there are a number of structures that gradually consolidate as part of the Hawaiian Independence Movement, which arose immediately after the overthrow of the Queen in 1893 and the establishment of a puppet Hawaiian republic by the Americans.

In New Jersey, based on the largest diaspora, the emergence of the state of New Italy is planned. In New Hampshire, the idea of ​​creating the New Hampshire Republic, already announced by the local vice-governor, is gaining popularity. Similar ideas are gaining popularity in Florida, which is actively being mastered by Cubans, as well as Mississippi, Alabama ... The only state where the separatists are not yet particularly active is Puerto Rico. The fact is that it is substantially subsidized from the US budget and has the status of a freely associated state, where the American constitution is applied only restrictively.

American military analyst Thomas Chittum back in 1996, in his book Civil War Two: The Coming Breakup of America (in the Russian version of the collapse of the United States. The Second Civil War 2020), predicted the disintegration of the US into three parts - white North, black South and the Spanish-speaking Southwest with the inevitably accompanying this new civil war. There is every reason for such pessimism, since In addition to “local”, American separatism also has a regional contour. These are, for example, the Republic of Cascadia (Republic of Cascadia) projects, which include the territory of the northwestern United States and British Colombia, the Republic of New Africa (Republic of New Africa), which includes territories of several southern states and intends to exist after the recognition of independence from the United States the damage from racism, New Mexico, which claims (with the support of the “old” Mexico, which does not particularly conceal its support for numerous Latin American separatists) in the territory west of the Mississippi and the land of at least four states.

For several years now, separatists have been holding entire regional congresses in the USA. The Los Angeles Times in October 2008 wrote about two such conventions - in Burlington (Vermont, 2006) and Chattanooga (Tennessee, 2007). The participants were organizations fighting for the independence of the Republic of Cascadia, California, the United Republic of Texas, the League of the South and the Second Vermont Republic. At the third congress, held in November 2008, in Manchester, a new regional project was actively promoted - the Novacadia Alliance (Novacadia Alliance), including New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine and Canadian New Branswick, Prince Edward Island and New Scotland.

Thanks to such events, even the Indians who exist on reservations increasingly remember who the real masters of America really are. In December, 2007, the Lakota Indians made a real sensation, declaring the termination of all contracts concluded by their ancestors with the US government. A little later, the famous historian and political scientist Stephen Cohen, a former adviser to President Bush D. Sr. during the collapse of the USSR, declared:

“The Indians who wanted to secede from the United States are only the first turn of separatism, but not the last ... The preconditions for the collapse of the state have been accumulating for decades. This is the dollar, which has become an international means of payment, but not supported by either gold or other values ​​- nothing but military power. These are the exorbitant costs of armaments, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which set the Islamic world against us, and an aggressive foreign policy. I give America five years, after which, I am sure, disintegration awaits her. ”

In the 2013 year, that is, in a few days, this statement of the American historian Stephen Cohen will be five years old ...
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  1. ShturmKGB
    ShturmKGB 21 December 2012 17: 27
    +9
    Whoever sows the wind will reap the storm!
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 21 December 2012 18: 00
      +14
      But I wonder how the State Department will democratize Texas? All Abrams do in Texas, the space industry is also from there, avionics is from there, and much more.
      It will be funny to see the carriers in the Gulf of Mexico soldier
      Preferably through the periscope. In the manner of humanitarian assistance to the American people, naturally.
      1. crazyrom
        crazyrom 21 December 2012 19: 37
        -2
        And T-90 and Poplar for what? We will democratize them in the 2 account, we just need to order it.
        1. Pit
          Pit 21 December 2012 20: 29
          +8
          Just do not have to send a squadron to them now. Let them understand. God will give and kill each other.
          1. Gluxar_
            Gluxar_ 22 December 2012 14: 32
            +1
            But how to take the gold of the Fed and Fort Knox into storage?
            In fact, the situation in the states is critical, but there is one point worth paying attention to. There is discontent, but there are no popular masses capable of doing something. There are a few measly hundredths of a percent of the population, the so-called fanatics of the apocalypse, who are preparing for everything "extreme". They may be armed and prepared, but they are prepared for independent survival among the "crowds of zombies" Yu, but not for the creation of an independent state with all the institutions of power. The maximum they can do is a small totalitarian community in some wilderness with tough "Spartan" laws.
            The bulk of the population are objects of state control and are not capable of independent decisions.
            So the question of the collapse of the United States looks somewhat different than similar processes in other regions of the world.
            It is more likely that all the actions of the "separatists" boil down to the desire of local elites to leave the control of the "federation" and, most importantly, they simply want to get away from the responsibility and debts of the government. Thinking that they hid "in the house" and no one sees them and will not punish them. just freedom-loving Americans always value their freedoms, but never admit their responsibility ... escaped street children of the "old world".
            1. RDS-1
              RDS-1 25 December 2012 15: 27
              0
              So the last time, during the Great Depression, the passive majority chose to stand in line for free soup, while having more guns on hand than needed for the world revolution. And there were not too many "tough passionaries" who were ready to fight for their happiness with weapons in their hands: John Dillingder da Bonii and Clyde. Probably, the authors of the American perestroika again count on this amusing effect, only the queues are planned not for soup, but for five-seater plastic coffins.
        2. Botanologist
          Botanologist 21 December 2012 20: 39
          +4
          We will democratize them in 2 accounts, you just need to order

          Not when the Yankees sprinkle, we don’t need to climb. Well, besides there may be export of goldfish from Fort Knox. And so let them .... rake their own.
        3. crazyrom
          crazyrom 22 December 2012 17: 38
          0
          Quote: crazyrom
          And T-90 and Poplar for what? We will democratize them in the 2 account, we just need to order it.

          And what kind of pacifists and americolyubes did they give me minuses?
    2. Nuar
      Nuar 21 December 2012 22: 55
      +2
      recommended literature:
      "Thomas Chittam Crash - Second Civil War
      (Civil war two - The Coming breakup of America)
      "- although the author is not very literate (about political education - in general, complete zero), but military science knows and the forecast (and recommendations) based on racial / material stratification gives a very realistic one.

      Pe Se. For "survivalists" - not a book at all, but almost a bible.
    3. vvvvv
      vvvvv 22 December 2012 00: 21
      +3
      God help the American separatists! wink
    4. webdog
      webdog 22 December 2012 00: 39
      +2
      I apologize that this is not the topic, but these are real combat shots in Syria ...
      tactics of actions during operations in the city are well shown.

      http://youtu.be/mtLyqaT7DQc
  2. Deniska999
    Deniska999 21 December 2012 17: 28
    0
    America will fall apart, that's good. Remind: according to their laws, can states voluntarily disconnect or not?
    1. Manager
      Manager 21 December 2012 17: 45
      +12
      In general, everything is simple. They collect a certain number of votes necessary for their requirement to be considered in the white house, then they bring the certificate to the black man in the white house. He, in turn, carries it to his white master, and Medvedev, in turn, already carries Putin for signature.
    2. von_Richten
      von_Richten 21 December 2012 20: 06
      +2
      Good? The economy of the whole world will collapse in a minute !!!
      On the topic: except Texas, no one has the right to secede from the United States.
      1. segamegament
        segamegament 21 December 2012 20: 43
        +1
        Quote: von_Richten
        Good? The economy of the whole world will collapse in a minute !!!

        THEIR economy, THEIR dollar, THEIR rules will collapse. Let me tell you a secret, there have been effective measures for this scenario for a long time, and we should be afraid of this no more than the "end of the world" of today ...
        1. Gluxar_
          Gluxar_ 22 December 2012 14: 39
          +2
          Quote: segamegament
          THEIR economy, THEIR dollar, THEIR rules will collapse. Let me tell you a secret, there have been effective measures for this scenario for a long time, and we should be afraid of this no more than the "end of the world" of today ...

          Can you voice these effective measures? It would be interesting to read.
        2. von_Richten
          von_Richten 22 December 2012 21: 45
          0
          The world economy (read capitalist) has been tied to the United States since 1945, and with their collapse (or even the separation of the 2-3 most developed states), the entire pyramid will collapse.
      2. sergo0000
        sergo0000 21 December 2012 20: 45
        +2
        Quote: von_Richten

        Good? The economy of the whole world will collapse in a minute !!!

        We have already gone through this. When the whole world collapsed for us!
        Quote: von_Richten
        On the topic: except Texas, no one has the right to secede from the United States.

        That’s where it starts! The rest is worse !? bully

        By the way, Wasserman in his program "Wasserman Reaction" has been calling this criminal enclave nothing more than the SGA-United States of America for quite some time !!! hi
        1. Nikita
          Nikita 21 December 2012 23: 34
          +4
          And I was surprised by the phrase "In Hawaii, discovered by the Russian expedition", as if hinting at something, that they say we discovered and this is not ours, we have appropriated our lands)
        2. von_Richten
          von_Richten 22 December 2012 21: 49
          0
          If you mean the 90s, then it will seem just like flowers in comparison with this - after all, during the years of Putinism in the country, we have not come one iota closer to the full or at least deficit provision of our own consumption (then we replaced them, and there will be nothing to replace).
          According to Wasserman: in fact, he names everything correctly, because state is a state.
      3. Gluxar_
        Gluxar_ 22 December 2012 14: 38
        +1
        Quote: von_Richten
        Good? The economy of the whole world will collapse in a minute !!! On the topic: except for Texas, no one has the right to secede from the United States.

        It will not collapse, but will sink. But then it's every man for himself, what will come out is not entirely predictable. But we will definitely see a new world, so new that it is difficult to imagine now. The ban on the controlled development of the economy and technology will be lifted, since with the collapse of the dollar, the globalization project will collapse. The world will become completely different, but as smart people said, "God forbid live during revolutions"
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 December 2012 23: 38
      0
      Quote: Deniska999
      America will fall apart it's good

      Not so simple friends. And who will control the huge nuclear arsenals of the Pentagon ??? And who wants to take the place of the world gigimon, and all the troubles associated with this ??
      It is the total DECOMPOSITION of the United States, from which Russia is of very dubious benefit. And here are the transformations desired characteris much more valuable! yes
  3. biglow
    biglow 21 December 2012 17: 29
    +14
    freedom to american indians
    1. speedy
      speedy 21 December 2012 19: 17
      +6
      Well, how can one not rejoice at the noble impulse of freedom-loving citizens of the United States of America? God help them !!! AMERICA FRIENDS WITH YOU!
      1. Pit
        Pit 21 December 2012 20: 31
        +1
        Quote: short-term
        Well, how can one not rejoice at the noble impulse of freedom-loving citizens of the United States of America?


        And don’t say, I’ll even probably fall asleep today with a smile wink
  4. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 21 December 2012 17: 39
    +4
    Good riddled democrats, good riddance! In this mess, we will see all their tolerance and tolerance towards their neighbor when they start tearing each other forgetting about their own liberal slogans ... And all this because of a handful of rich Jews of Jewish nationality (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc. .) It’s even a pity that ordinary people will suffer because of this, although ... remember Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans and Syria; few stood up for them ...
  5. Manager
    Manager 21 December 2012 17: 44
    +3
    Well, I can’t read such topics after the end of the world! Not able to. But plus set)
  6. Apollo
    Apollo 21 December 2012 17: 44
    +3
    quote-It is interesting that in 2013 the year will be exactly 150 years from the moment when in the midst of this war Russia and its fleet saved integrity The North American United States, which then had as great problems as today with the separatists.

    it is symptomatic that apparently Russia will have to save the USA again. is it only worth it to step on the same rake again. Once again they saved ................... ungrateful.

    quote-In 2013 year, that is already in a few days, this statement by American historian Stephen Cohen will be five years old ...

    apparently a typo, after few years
    1. Diesel
      Diesel 21 December 2012 19: 07
      +2
      To save in no case, it is necessary to help fall apart and finish off the collapse of the USSR after the collapse
  7. mda
    mda 21 December 2012 17: 46
    +1
    When the United States breaks up, the mistake of the Russian Empire cannot be repeated.
  8. Tersky
    Tersky 21 December 2012 17: 46
    +3
    The next "end of the world" will take place only in the Western Hemisphere, and only over the North American continent, wink without reference to Nastradamus, Vanga, etc. It’s just that planet Earth is no longer able to make such an ugly creature on its body ... hi
  9. balamut_x
    balamut_x 21 December 2012 17: 48
    +2
    Well, you need to help the fighters for independence laughing for this you need knowledge of English and a little imagination and an omnipotent Internet
  10. Garrin
    Garrin 21 December 2012 17: 56
    +4
    That’s where the Caliphate is organized. How would the janitors from Moscow be transferred there?
    1. biglow
      biglow 21 December 2012 22: 39
      -1
      Garrin,
      and who will sweep the streets?
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 22 December 2012 01: 42
        0
        Quote: biglow
        garrin,
        and who will sweep the streets?

        There are more than enough willing people, only because of Muslims, the Slavs are no longer taken.
        1. biglow
          biglow 22 December 2012 13: 37
          0
          Garrin,
          For a low salary, in addition to guest workers, there is no obligation to find anyone who wants to. A high standard of living requires that nothing can be done about it
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 22 December 2012 14: 35
            0
            Quote: biglow
            For a low salary, in addition to guest workers, there is no obligation to find anyone who wants to. A high standard of living requires that nothing can be done about it

            Firstly, there are people who want it and for a low salary, a team of plumbers from Ivanovo works in our REU. Week here - weekend home.
            And secondly, salaries are low from the fact that they steal not according to rank. And here it is already necessary to restore order.
            However, I set it out in detail in another thread, (Chief Tajik migrant: “Forget the word“ Russians ”) here, as it is inappropriate.
            If there is a desire, we will discuss there.
  11. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 21 December 2012 17: 57
    +4
    Such a crushing scenario is possible only after a nuclear war, when the surviving handful of people will try to unite into separate similarities of states, in peacetime the United States will not allow this.
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 December 2012 23: 49
      +2
      Quote: Sleptsoff
      Such a crushing scenario is possible only after a nuclear war, when the surviving handful of people will try to unite into separate similarities of states, in peacetime the United States will not allow this.

      That's for sure. Like the Russian Federation. The rest is fabulist fantasies wassat hi
  12. andrei332809
    andrei332809 21 December 2012 18: 24
    +3
    it remains to find those who want to bomb (exclusively for peaceful purposes) americosia. although there are probably enough willing, but few of those who wish have the corresponding capabilities
    1. Pit
      Pit 21 December 2012 20: 34
      0
      No, well, if faq, then I think a lot of people will rush there, help them with enta, like her, ... "deman"
    2. GSH-18
      GSH-18 21 December 2012 23: 52
      +2
      Quote: andrei332809
      it remains to find those who want to bomb (exclusively for peaceful purposes) americosia. although there are probably enough willing, but few of those who wish have the corresponding capabilities

      Opportunities, then there are. But no one wants to grab a specific reciprocal pizdyulin! laughing
  13. kush62
    kush62 21 December 2012 18: 34
    +2
    Except as "I wish you speedy fragmentation!" I can't add anything.
  14. Committee
    Committee 21 December 2012 18: 35
    +2
    WHO will control Nuclear Weapons in decaying states? With whom will we cooperate on this issue?
    1. Cat
      Cat 22 December 2012 05: 01
      0
      Quote: Committee
      WHO will control Nuclear Weapons in decaying states? With whom will we cooperate on this issue?

      and now is there anyone? This is an original cooperation: in recent decades, the states have been busy trying by hook or by crook to "stop and not let go" - stop everyone else, they themselves are not going to cut anything. Moreover, they regularly "find" PKOs either in Iraq, or in Iran, or in Syria, or else the rocket prevents them from living ... they are clearly pushing mankind to think that it is necessary to make a sound - in order to protect democratic freedoms, of course.
      So let them break up better if they have time. They’ll be afraid to use love-loaf against friends - it’s not a bullet on the other side of the globe, but a garden in the neighbors, who knows where the wind will blow ... Although they won’t let each other fight through the globe - the return will fly to everyone’s head .
  15. marmon
    marmon 21 December 2012 18: 58
    +7
    Tired of reading about the collapse of the states. Maybe enough to discuss this topic? Okay, 10 times already, or even 1000 times already. As if there were no other topics.
  16. anchonsha
    anchonsha 21 December 2012 19: 20
    +1
    It would be great if Stephen Cohen's words came true. The USA is how much they want this Russia. Do not dig a hole for another, but be normal in a world of your own kind.
  17. Nobody except us
    Nobody except us 21 December 2012 19: 26
    +1
    You yourself are not sick yet, are you? They write that we will fall apart, how bad everything is with us - everyone is shitting an article. Now our propagandists have riveted how the United States will disintegrate - everyone immediately "hawala" an article and begins to discuss it with ardor.
    I love my country, but I want to puke from the 'hurray patriots.
  18. pavlo007
    pavlo007 21 December 2012 19: 32
    -8
    It’s time to support the oppressed peoples in the USA!
    Freedom to Leonardo Peltier!
    Pukin is so scary, so proud and independent, but when the State Department begins to explicitly dictate how we integrate and how to disintegrate, then proud Puking eagles are silently thoughtfully with dignity ...
  19. Karabin
    Karabin 21 December 2012 19: 56
    +1
    According to opinion polls, over 70% of Americans consider the US government system to be ineffective.
    Ask the question "Do you think the public administration system is effective?" in almost every country in the world you will get about the same numbers. The article, I think in a somewhat exaggerated form, reflects centrifugal phenomena in the states. And in which countries are they not? Europe and as a patchwork quilt, and the separatists are not diminishing. Libya, Syria, Turkey with the Kurdish issue, the CIS countries, Russia with a smoldering Caucasus and illegal immigrants spreading across the country. American separatism, against the separatism of the listed countries, a snotty youth. Has anyone heard of Free Texas action movies? And about the terrorists of the African American Labor Party? About sweeps during the CTO? About the sovereignty of the Indians - face the joke. The Great Depression of the 30s did not destroy the states, but the subsequent war strengthened them. With the fall of the USSR, the states crushed the world for themselves and in fact, thanks to the dollar, they robbed and continue to rob other countries. Thanks to this, colossal resources have been accumulated that will allow the states to survive the next crisis, organized by them. The army, national guard and police are not susceptible to separatist sentiments. The very geographic location allows states to solve their problems by isolating themselves from external influences. Finally, the US elite is not interested in collapse. Don't think they're stupid. There is nothing wrong with analytics. It is simply not serious to hope that the people of the controlling states will allow the fragmentation of the state. They would rather drown half of the world in blood, and if necessary, drown their own country with blood, than allow some Texas to separate. Rather, the Texas clans, if they are so powerful and far removed from key decision-making, will take their rightful place in the US hierarchy. And why do they want sovereignty?
  20. igor12
    igor12 21 December 2012 20: 04
    +3
    And what a pity that this is just talk and it won’t reach the revolution.
  21. Cavas
    Cavas 21 December 2012 20: 07
    +4
    “The Indians who wanted to secede from the United States are only the first turn of separatism, but not the last ... The preconditions for the collapse of the state have been accumulating for decades. This is the dollar, which has become an international means of payment, but not supported by either gold or other values ​​- nothing but military power. These are the exorbitant costs of armaments, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which set the Islamic world against us, and an aggressive foreign policy. I give America five years, after which, I am sure, disintegration awaits her. ”

    Strongly said!

    In history, such a policy usually leads to rebellion and revolutions, and that is exactly what America so desperately needs.
  22. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 21 December 2012 21: 01
    0
    It’s time to arrange a dismemberment
  23. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 21 December 2012 21: 12
    0
    It’s high time to arrange the dismemberment of states
  24. SmacXnumx
    SmacXnumx 21 December 2012 21: 16
    0
    It’s high time to arrange the dismemberment of the states and, God forbid, they themselves will do this.
  25. Tehb
    Tehb 21 December 2012 21: 17
    +1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6MksZvcB9A
  26. huut
    huut 21 December 2012 21: 26
    +2
    Look at the map - there are only Germans) It is strange where so many of them are ...
  27. 1goose3
    1goose3 21 December 2012 21: 33
    +1
    Don’t say it, but all that fact, reality is written about. Another conversation is how much the situation has ripened. Most likely there is nothing critical. But everything can be, there are prerequisites. In a few years everything will become clear. As they say, we will see.
  28. david210512
    david210512 21 December 2012 21: 38
    +1
    if this happens I propose to celebrate drinks how they celebrated when the USSR was gone !!!!!!! drinks
    1. GSH-18
      GSH-18 22 December 2012 00: 01
      +1
      Quote: david210512
      if this happens I propose to celebrate drinks as they celebrated when the USSR was gone !!!!!!! drinks

      Duc, you first wait, and then celebrate. And then we have everything through ..opu. Neither the end of the world did not wait, nor the collapse of the United States .. But they all celebrated frantically! laughing
  29. Alyans
    Alyans 21 December 2012 22: 15
    0
    That's right, Caesar is Caesar's. For that fought for it and ran. There was no point for them to go into other countries with their own order. Do not dig a hole for another - you yourself will fall into it. History I hope they "judge" in good conscience.
  30. HANN1BAL
    HANN1BAL 21 December 2012 22: 57
    +3
    I don’t know what conclusions you will draw, but we still have to save this democracy whether we want it or not. I think that our enemy, not America, will soon rise, but our close friends in Asia, because we can say everything in front of them (vast territories and resources) even Europe will not help us here because they don’t want to, and the Amerikans, on the contrary, will fight because it is better to fight with China and get new technologies.
    PS This is my personal point of view
  31. Black
    Black 22 December 2012 00: 32
    +1
    The Soviet press in a new way. As long as I can remember, America rots, falls apart, degrades, gets drunk, and so on and so forth ...
    Don't take what is covered in the article too seriously. They will try and stop. As soon as something serious matures, the army will tear off the separatists' head completely !!! "Chechnya" will seem like a childish war with tin soldiers.
  32. Pelican
    Pelican 22 December 2012 01: 58
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    At the expense of Russian Hawaii, google the name Sheffer. Very interesting!
  33. boris.radevitch
    boris.radevitch 22 December 2012 03: 35
    +1
    Let America fall apart it's good! wassat
  34. taseka
    taseka 22 December 2012 07: 59
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    In! Here we need to "help" them with articles and recommendations from "non-governmental foundations", centers of humanitarian support for freedom, and all kinds of "Helsinki - Krasnoyarsk" groups. And they touched at least one and then immediately put everyone under the knife!
  35. NKVD
    NKVD 22 December 2012 08: 40
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    Map SSHA reminiscent of a cutting scheme for beef carcasses at the butcher's workplace ... laughing
  36. KD7777
    KD7777 22 December 2012 09: 52
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    Gos. US debt 16339273000000!
    No states - no debts.
    Who benefits from this ?????? :)
  37. Doom
    Doom 22 December 2012 16: 05
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    I’m writing comrades from the bunker ... we are a group of California emirates, the feds surrounded us here, we are fighting, yesterday we cut off the federal’s head and blew up the convoy, so we usually collect tribute from local officials, but there’s still not enough money, throw up little money to the brothers for the liberation movement laughing
    1. Cavas
      Cavas 22 December 2012 16: 10
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      Quote: doom
      throw little money as you can on the liberation movement

      God will give!