“The most serious danger for the Russian state is the corruption of officials”: ​​the Russian people, bureaucracy and the Russian elite in the views of Otto von Bismarck

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“The most serious danger for the Russian state is the corruption of officials”: ​​the Russian people, bureaucracy and the Russian elite in the views of Otto von Bismarck

The German chancellor Otto von Bismarck, who is not without reason considered one of the most prominent politicians of the XNUMXth century, is perhaps one of the most quoted German (and indeed European) politicians in Russia. Some of the phrases most often attributed to Bismarck are “never fight the Russians”, “Russians cannot be defeated”, “do not tease the Russian bear”, “start any wars, but never touch the Russians”. Sometimes these phrases, which are actively distributed in Runet, are quoted by modern politicians and even doctors historical Sciences.

In fact, the "Iron Chancellor" never uttered these words. As the German historian Nikolai Vlasov, who wrote several major scientific works on Otto von Bismarck, rightly notes, most of the quotes were attributed to him by unknown Russian myth-makers [2]. Among the fictitious quotes that claim to be true, the main part is devoted to Russia and Russian-German relations.



Among the phrases that are attributed to Bismarck, there are statements that are dedicated to relations between Russia and Ukraine. The most famous saying is usually formulated as "The power of Russia can only be undermined by the separation of Ukraine from it". This fictitious quote (we are talking about the idea attributed to Bismarck by the German philosopher E. Hartmann) appeared back in the 1920s. However, it became especially widespread in the information space during the period of aggravation of Russian-Ukrainian relations [3].

The image of Bismarck in Russia has been politicized, so these apocrypha are often quoted at various patriotic events to prove ideas about the uniqueness of Russia, its people, its historical path and military invincibility. In reality, Otto von Bismarck's attitude towards Russia was much more complex and far from being as positive as alternative historians imagine.

What did Bismarck really think about Russia? How did he treat the Russian people, bureaucracy and the elite? What did he think about the war with Russia? These are the questions we will try to answer in this article.

Formation of Otto von Bismarck's ideas about the Russian Empire



In the popular mind, historical figures, including foreign statesmen and military figures, usually fall into several stereotypical categories.

For example, the category of "mortal enemies", the main goal of which is the destruction of Russia (the most obvious example is Adolf Hitler).

Another category can be called "non-friends". This type includes foreign statesmen and military figures who generally treated Russia negatively, but respected, feared and sometimes even involuntarily admired. Among the major statesmen of the past, two figures appeared in this category in the Russian mass consciousness: Winston Churchill and Otto von Bismarck [2].

In fact, there are very few domestic scientific works devoted to Otto von Bismarck's attitude towards Russia. The most qualitative research can be called the monograph of the historian Nikolai Vlasov already mentioned above “Russia through the eyes of Bismarck” (it will be often cited here), the article by the historian Alexander Medyakov “Our Bismarck”? Russia in the Politics and Views of the “Iron Chancellor” of Germany”, as well as several other small articles authored by the same Nikolai Vlasov. It is also worth noting the book by Vasily Dudarev “The Petersburg mission of Otto von Bismarck. 1859-1862".

As the historian Alexander Medyakov notes, Bismarck paid special attention to Russia throughout his almost half a century of political activity. Both his resignation in 1890 and his political debut were connected with the "Russian" problems - the first big speech in the Prussian Landtag on December 3, 1850 [4]. However, before turning to the consideration of Otto von Bismarck's direct views on Russia, one should answer the question of how they, in fact, were formed.

Vasily Dudarev writes in his monograph that Bismarck was able to form his idea of ​​the Russian Empire while living in 1859–1862. Petersburg, when he had to head the diplomatic mission of the Kingdom of Prussia in Russia [5].

According to another historian, Nikolai Vlasov, such an idea is naive, since until 1959 Bismarck could not know anything about the country to which he was to go [1].

Vlasov notes that Bismarck's idea of ​​Russia (as, in fact, of any person about another country) was formed on the basis of three categories of information.

Firstly, these are stereotypical images that are common in the society where the individual lives - in this case we are talking about Germany. A person absorbs this information in the process of obtaining secondary and higher education, from books, in the course of communication with compatriots.

Secondly, this is information obtained on an individual basis with the help of an "intermediary" - a resident of another country or a compatriot who has spent quite a long time in it.

Thirdly, it is a personal experience gained during a visit to another country [1].

In this regard, as the historian rightly notes, Bismarck arrived in Russia already having certain ideas about her, and looked at her through the prism of already formed views. What did they think about Russia in Germany?

Public opinion in Germany in the 1830s was divided into two camps - conservatives perceived the Romanov Empire as a reliable bulwark in the fight against the revolution, while liberal nationalists treated the Russian Empire very negatively. However, in general, both liberals and conservatives perceived Russia as a strong monolithic militaristic state with an absolutist political system and a semi-feudal economic structure [6].

The absolute power of the monarch, the army of officials obedient to him, the whip that reigns indefinitely in the country - this was the image of Russia in the German discourse of the middle of the 1th century [7]. As historians note, even the authors who sympathized with Russia did not deny the bureaucracy and arbitrariness that reigned in the country. In particular, Leopold von Gerlach, known for his Russophilia, wrote about the instability of power, that the absence of any internal restrictions on the Russian autocracy does not allow the imperial power to rely on Russian society, which opposes all its undertakings [XNUMX].

Characteristic was the image of the Russian Empire as an aggressive power that seeks to conquer Europe. The army, according to the liberals, was the main instrument of the Russian government in the implementation of its traditional aggressive policy. They emphasized the continuity of Russia's aggressive plans since the time of Peter the Great, with the goal of establishing dominance over Europe and Asia [6].

After the defeat of Russia in the Crimean War, this image was replaced by another - they began to talk about the Russian Empire as a colossus with feet of clay, entangled in a tangle of its internal problems [1]. All this could not but influence the views of Bismarck, who, in addition to studying historical materials, read modern publications.

Otto von Bismarck received information not only from books, newspapers and small talk, he also received it from intermediaries who were well acquainted with Russian realities. One of these intermediaries was his friend from his student years Alexander Andreevich Kaiserling (Alexander von Kaiserling) [1]. Alexander Kaiserling was a typical representative of the Baltic nobility - culturally they considered themselves Germans, but this did not prevent them from being loyal subjects of the Russian emperor.

Bismarck's personal experience as the Prussian envoy in St. Petersburg in 1859-1862, of course, influenced the outlook of the "Iron Chancellor", but it is worth noting that he came to Russia with already formed views about it. Personal acquaintance with the country allowed him to clarify and expand his ideas, but did not change them dramatically [1].

So, what did Otto von Bismarck think about the Russian people, bureaucracy and the Russian elite?

Bismarck's ideas about the Russian people and the national characteristics of Russians


First of all, it should be noted that the "Iron Chancellor" was definitely a supporter of the Norman theory of the origin of the Russian state. He believed that it was the Varangians who brought statehood to the Eastern Slavs.

"The ability of the Slavs to govern their state without the participation of the Germans was limited since the time of Rurik, it remained the same after the liberation from the power of the Mongols",

Bismarck wrote in 1881 [8]. In his opinion, the Germans played a key role in the development of Russian statehood.

The national characteristics of the Russians, from Bismarck's point of view, were largely due to their belonging to the Slavic race. Speaking about the positive qualities of the Russian people, Bismarck noted their courtesy and courtesy, instinctive mind, elegance, unpretentiousness and loyalty to the rulers. It was the latter features that made the Russians, according to Bismarck, excellent soldiers. To this was added natural collectivism and a willingness to give up personal interests for the sake of a higher goal [1].

At the same time, speaking about the negative features of the Russian people, he noted that Russians are characterized by frivolity when making serious decisions, a tendency to empty dreams and fantasies, narcissism, which makes them overestimate their own capabilities, changeability [8]. In addition, Bismarck spoke of hypocrisy (in particular, in relation to Russian diplomats) and Russian touchiness. Speaking of touchiness, Bismarck noted that it is difficult for Russians to make critical remarks without losing their trust [1].

Having had plenty of conversation with the slowly harnessed cab drivers, who then made up for the time with a frantic ride, and summarizing this experience in a letter to his wife from Moscow in 1859, Bismarck stated: “Harning slowly and driving fast is in the nature of this people” [eleven]. In our country, this catchphrase is often interpreted as positive, however, in the mouth of the Prussian politician, this statement was a purely negative characteristic. From Bismarck's point of view, such a habit leads to the fact that (literally and figuratively) you first have to wait a long time for the horses, and then fast driving leads to a breakdown of the carriage [11].

At the same time, Bismarck spoke and wrote more than once about his sympathy for the "common man" in Russia. By "ordinary people" he meant, first of all, peasants [8]. Remembering Russia, Bismarck noted that there "the people are amiable and of good nature" [4].

“A simple person generally liked me at first sight [1]”,

- so he wrote to his wife, only arriving in St. Petersburg in the spring of 1859. According to Bismarck, the Russian "common man" was distinguished by many positive qualities, and he was loyal to his emperor. In his memoirs, he writes about "the religious devotion of the Russian people to their tsar" [9].

At the same time, according to Bismarck, rough treatment was a necessity in Russia, since ordinary people do not understand another language. The “Iron Chancellor” cited several stories that happened to him in the Russian Empire as an example - once he ordered his coachman to let the loaded wagons through and received only a portion of curses as gratitude. Another story was no less characteristic - Bismarck gave the driver a ruble instead of the prescribed fifty dollars, after which the driver followed him into the house and demanded two rubles. Bismarck had to throw him out [1].

That is, if he generally treated the Russian peasants with sympathy, then his attitude towards the lower classes of the city was different - the moral of the above stories was such that on the streets it is necessary to constantly demonstrate to the townsfolk your high status in order to achieve at least some polite treatment.

If Bismarck treated a simple Russian with some sympathy, then the same cannot be said about officials. But more on that below.

What did Bismarck think about Russian bureaucracy?


Otto von Bismarck had a very low opinion of the Russian state apparatus. The “Iron Chancellor” generally had a negative attitude towards bureaucracy, but he usually cited the example of the Russian bureaucracy when he wanted to scold the Prussian bureaucracy - the situation in Russia looked like a solid dark spot in his eyes. Corruption, incompetence, arbitrariness, lack of any respect for the law and human dignity, lies and fraud at all levels - this is the picture Bismarck paints for us [1].

“The worst disease of the Russian Empire is the army of poorly paid and incapable officials” [1],

Bismarck wrote.

In addition to incompetence, corruption is endemic. Among the officials, according to the "Iron Chancellor", the most corrupt are those who are responsible for army and civilian supplies and construction.

“In my opinion, the most serious danger for the Russian state is the long-term, incurable harm from the corruption of officials and officers; it results in the absence of any justice and force of law, which makes it impossible to raise public welfare and finances” [10],

Bismarck wrote in 1861. According to him, officials who received a salary of 800 rubles spent 40 rubles a year.

The arbitrariness of officials is especially evident in their treatment of ordinary people. Any foreigner who does not have papers proving his immunity with him can be caught on the street and forcibly sent to the army [1].

As for the attitude of Otto von Bismarck towards the Russian army, it, as the historian Nikolai Vlasov notes, was in many ways the same as the attitude towards civil officials. If he found kind words for the soldiers, then his judgments about the officers were harsh.

“Even during the years of the Crimean War, Bismarck wrote about the lack of art and misfortune with which they debut in each new theater of operations; to fix this, the Russian army then has to demonstrate great courage and suffer heavy losses [1]”,

- notes the historian Nikolai Vlasov.

While on vacation in Germany, Bismarck willingly talked about the "shameless venality of Russian officials from top to bottom" and ingenious types of bribes, such as the purchase by a petitioner for a lot of money of an unnecessary and useless painting. Several pages of his memoirs are devoted to describing cases of theft at court [4].

Bismarck's ideas about Russian officials were only part of his ideas about Russian elites and the Russian state as a whole.

Ideas of the "iron chancellor" about the Russian elite


An appeal to the Eastern question was one of the invariable tools of Bismarck's Russian policy, starting from the time of the Crimean War. Immediately upon taking office as Prime Minister of Prussia in 1862, he formulated a kind of foreign policy credo: "The Eastern question is an area in which we can be useful to friends and harm enemies, without being restrained by our own direct interests" [4].

Considering that Bismarck adhered to conservative, monarchist views and was a supporter of the preservation of the power of the traditional elite and an opponent of liberal ideas, the reputation of the Russian Empire as the “gendarme of Europe” and the most reactionary power of the continent was not unambiguously negative for him [1]. He was convinced that the monarchical structure strengthens the state, while the republican one weakens it (which is why he advocated the preservation of the republic in France) [4].

Bismarck's first personal impressions of the Russian court were quite positive. If Bismarck criticized the bureaucracy and the state apparatus a lot, then regarding the Russian aristocracy, he wrote to Schleinitz that “Perhaps the prejudice we have about the Russian aristocracy, which is common among us, is unfair, according to which it is corrupted and deprived of any sense of right and honor” [1].

Nevertheless, already during this period, he notices opposition currents in the highest circles, which cause him anxiety. He wrote to Berlin about the existence of two groups in the ranks of the Russian elite - conservative and "liberal". The second he at that time considered a minority. Gradually, the words “national-Russian” and “Muscovite” were added to the characteristics of this party [10].

The former elite, loyal to the emperor and consisting mainly of Germans, has been replaced by a new one, which is chauvinistic and works to overthrow the autocracy. The transition to the policy of replacing ethnic Germans in leadership positions with national cadres that began under Nicholas I was assessed by Bismarck as a purely negative one, which should not be surprising, given his worldview.

“Three generations were present in Petersburg society during my stay. The most noble of them, the European and classically educated grandees of the era of Alexander I, was already dying out ˂…˃ The generation that looked like Emperor Nicholas or bore his imprint was limited in conversation to court affairs, theater, career and military memories ˂…˃ The third generation, young gentlemen, in society showed for the most part less politeness, bad manners and, as a rule, a stronger aversion to everything German, especially Prussian, than the first two generations "[8],

he wrote in his memoirs.

From Bismarck's point of view, elite opposition increasingly limited the power of the Russian monarch over time. The liberal faction grew stronger. In the early 1860s he wrote that malicious courtiers deceive Alexander II and in this way achieve the adoption of unfavorable and undesirable decisions for the tsar. Nevertheless, Bismarck considered the position of the emperor to be quite strong. However, already in the 1870s. the chancellor said that the Russian monarch only with difficulty resists the pressure of the “national party” [10].

From the turn of the 1870s–1880s. Bismarck began to evaluate the internal situation in Russia even more pessimistically. This was largely due to the assassination of Alexander II. In February 1880, the chancellor wrote about two "related, but not identical" groups - "pan-Slavist, to which Milyutin and the Grand Dukes belong, and revolutionary" [10].

Prince Gorchakov was especially hostile to the German Chancellor. His closest friends noted his “morbid irritability” and especially “how much he cherishes feelings of revenge and revenge for true or imaginary injustice.” Having declared - deservedly or not - someone as his enemy, Bismarck usually did not change his assessment and was able to pursue enemies for many years. After the “military alarm” of 1875, Bismarck complained at every opportunity to Gorchakov, who attributed to him militant intentions and “used my shoulders as a pedestal to appear to Europe as an angel of peace” [4].

Prince Alexander Gorchakov

It is impossible not to note the following interesting assessment of Bismarck regarding Russia.

When Nicholas II took the throne, the "Iron Chancellor" was already retired. It is curious what question he asked at the end of 1895 to G. Moltke Jr., the German military attache in St. Petersburg. He was not interested in the attitude of Nicholas II to Germany, Bismarck asked if the young emperor knew how to act tough. Hearing that the new monarch was a "man of comfort", Bismarck questioned his ability to keep the people in order. According to him, if sixty million Russians are turned away from their tsar, they will soon begin to create madness [4].

In general, Russia seemed to Bismarck not just one of the great powers, but also an elemental force, and this influenced his attitude towards his eastern neighbor, along with his own political considerations. At the end of the 1880s. he had to resist the sharply increased pressure of the military, who wanted a preventive war with Russia. Like 30 years ago, and even partly in the same terms, Bismarck reminded of the absence of a practical goal and a worthy "prize" for such a struggle [4].

Conclusion


Summing up, it should be noted that the idea of ​​Bismarck as a "Russophile" is not entirely correct. As the historian Alexander Medyakov notes, the opinion about his special Russian predilections arose during the life of the chancellor as a result of a combination of several factors: the policy he pursued towards Russia, the St. Petersburg episode of his biography, knowledge of the Russian language, and, finally, a number of well-known historical anecdotes that emotionally colored Bismarck's attitude to the neighboring empire [4].

Knowledge of the Russian language really sharply distinguished Bismarck from the ranks of foreign diplomats of the 4th century and, of course, testified to his interest in the country in which he ended up [XNUMX]. In fact, Bismarck had a rather high opinion of the Russian language - he was surprised that a people who were lagging behind in many ways had such a beautiful and perfect language. However, in general, the "Iron Chancellor" was quite skeptical about Russia. He was especially skeptical about the state apparatus and bureaucracy.

Paradoxically, contemporaries in Germany accused the "Iron Chancellor" of Russophilia, while in the Russian Empire itself they were treated very coolly, and the press periodically criticized him and tried to make him look unsightly. In the Russian press of the second half of the 12th - early XNUMXth centuries, a contradictory image of the "Iron Chancellor" developed, which has repeatedly changed over several decades. As experts note, the change in assessments probably depended on the Russian-German relations of the period under study, on the value orientations and worldview of the representatives of the Russian press [XNUMX].

Most of the apocrypha attributed to Bismarck appeared at the end of the XNUMXth and beginning of the XNUMXst century. Thus, the phrase attributed to Bismarck "never go to war with Russia" first appears in fiction at the end of the twentieth century. Its continuation (about “unpredictable stupidity”) arose, apparently, much later, already at the beginning of the 1830st century. The phrase “Slavs are invincible and only by internal strife can they be brought to foreign enslavement” is found as early as 3 in F. Bulgarin’s story “Slavs, or the Liberation of Arkona”. The practice of attributing this phrase to Bismarck also appears on the Internet around the middle of the first decade of the XNUMXst century [XNUMX].

In reality, Bismarck, as a politician, could not completely rule out a war with Russia, but he sincerely believed that such a war could only be defensive. He believed that Russia and Germany did not have a serious conflict of interests, since the Germans did not need Russian territory, and the Russians did not need German land.

Historian Nikolai Vlasov rightly notes that

“Throughout his political career, Bismarck really considered it necessary to maintain good relations with Russia. However, this conviction was not dictated by fear or any emotional attachment to Russia, but by purely rational considerations. Bismarck considered good neighborly relations with the eastern neighbor as important, but not vital” [1].

Otto von Bismarck was ready to meet Russia halfway, but exactly as long as it did not contradict the national interests of Prussia and Germany as a whole. The fact that he always considered the activities of the Russian Empire through the prism of the interests of Germany is also evidenced by his correspondence with General Edwin von Manteuffel and General L. von Gerlach:

“When asked whether I am for the Russians or the Western powers, I always answered for the Prussians, and my ideal in foreign policy is freedom from prejudice and independence from sympathies or antipathies towards foreign states and their rulers”[13].

Использованная литература:
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[2]. Vlasov N. A. Bismarck. "Iron Chancellor". - Moscow: Yauza-catalog: Anchor, 2018.
[3]. Vlasov N. A. "Slavs are invincible": fictional quotes from Otto von Bismarck in modern Russia. New and recent history. 2022. No. 3. P. 117–124.
[4]. Medyakov Alexander. "Our Bismarck"? Russia in the Politics and Views of the “Iron Chancellor” of Germany [Text] / A. Medyakov = “Our Bismarck”? Russia in the German "iron chancellor's" policy and views / Alexander Mediakov // Russian History. - 2015. - No. 6. - P. 63–84.
[5]. Dudarev V.S. Petersburg mission of Otto von Bismarck. 1859–1862 Diplomatic exile or political success? - St. Petersburg: Aletheya, 2013.
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[7]. See Zaichenko O. V. The main determinants of the perception of Russia by German conservatives in the 30s and 40s. XIX century: the monarch as the embodiment of the state // Dialogue with time. 2013. Issue. 42, pp. 194–222; Zaichenko O. V. The main determinants of the perception of Russia by German conservatives in the 30–40s. XIX century: the residence of the emperor and the court // Dialogue with time. 2013. Issue. 43. pp. 115–143.
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[13]. Quote from: Vasily Dudarev. Bismarck and Russia. 1851–1871 - St. Petersburg: Aletheya, 2021.
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  1. +18
    6 August 2023 04: 52
    Well what can I say?
    Let's trust the facts.
    Photofact...
    1. +8
      6 August 2023 05: 57
      In the second photo, we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems with the word sick person, what can I say.
      1. +6
        6 August 2023 06: 28
        Quote: saigon
        In the second photo, we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems with the word sick person, what can I say.

        Yes, Saigon, this man is obviously unwell.
        But I'm not a doctor, I'm a television man. I am guided by the "picture".
        It happens that one frame carries the meaning of time.
        And this is exactly the case.
        1. +7
          6 August 2023 06: 48
          There must be many good people. And ... we don't have enough skinny corrupt officials?
      2. +6
        6 August 2023 11: 01
        In the second photo, we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems with the word sick person, what can I say.


        Do you want to say that the accessibility of medicine to the Minister of Labor of the Russian Federation as to ordinary citizens? And his salary does not allow you to organize a healthy diet? lol
        1. 0
          8 August 2023 14: 10
          Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
          In the second photo, we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems with the word sick person, what can I say.


          Do you want to say that the accessibility of medicine to the Minister of Labor of the Russian Federation as to ordinary citizens? And his salary does not allow you to organize a healthy diet? lol

          After several billionaires in the world died from Covid, including 1 in the Russian Federation, everything can be ...
          And yes, Zhdanov, for example, also had a fat face. A common disease ...
      3. +1
        6 August 2023 19: 33
        we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems ...

        It is a dangerous job to be a high-ranking official in the Russian Federation. Many dangerous occupational diseases. Even the Guarantor's head became round, like a watermelon, from the unbearable number of worries and thoughts in it. Mishustin, Rogozin, Matvienko, Volodin... everyone suffers, but they remain in office to the last. Heroes!
    2. +5
      6 August 2023 09: 27
      Statements by M.E. Saltykov-Shchedrin:
      1. In all countries, railways are used for movement, and in our country, moreover, for theft.
      2. When and what bureaucrat was not convinced that Russia has a pie to which you can freely approach and eat?
      3. The severity of Russian laws is mitigated by the optionality of their implementation ...
      1. AAK
        +1
        6 August 2023 19: 51
        There is another wonderful phrase also attributed to Bismarck - "... a Pole is not a nation, a Pole is a profession!"...
      2. 0
        16 August 2023 18: 07
        Norman theory of the origin of the Russian state. He believed that it was the Varangians who brought statehood to the Eastern Slavs.

        Now let them take it back!
        The climate here is bad, civilization is needed here, and there are many nuclear power plants.
    3. +1
      7 August 2023 15: 18
      We also have Golikov - a man with an orchestra, and he will play the drums, and the guitar, and the flute, if you really need it)))
  2. +12
    6 August 2023 05: 10
    Von Bismarck became the hero of Runet with his apocrypha, or rather with those attributed to him. And that's history hi
    1. +11
      6 August 2023 05: 38
      Recently, bushes and grass have been added.
    2. +2
      6 August 2023 18: 38
      Quote: ee2100
      Von Bismarck became the hero of Runet with his apocrypha, or rather with those attributed to him. And that's history

      "Russia's worst enemies are hogweed, liberals, the collective West and roads." O. F. Bismarck.
    3. +2
      7 August 2023 15: 20
      He was one of the smartest statesmen in Germany. Only smart people are not needed either there or here. Fools and lackeys are needed everywhere, it is easier to manage them ...
    4. -2
      7 August 2023 21: 10
      Quote: ee2100
      Von Bismarck became the hero of Runet with his apocrypha, or rather with those attributed to him. And that's history hi

      An interesting person is Otto. I read that his favorite word was the Russian "nothing". He used it everywhere. And he fell in love with him after one coachman agreed to give him a lift. At Bismarck's request not to persecute, he answered "NOTHING". Then he accelerated, looks around, looks like he is shaking on potholes and mumbling "NOTHING, NOTHING." All the same, he turned over the rattletrap, ran up to pick up the future chancellor, and also "NOTHING". Until he hit him with a cane!)))
    5. -2
      7 August 2023 21: 15
      And I also wanted to add. Moltke Jr. did not utter the phrase about Nicholas II, indicated here, since he did not know the emperor and had never been an attaché. But here's another phrase about Russia, he actually said already to Wilhelm in 1912, that if you start a war later than 14, then Russia will become too tough for them. The fact is that then the military reform began in the country and it was supposed to end in 1917. 1908-1917
  3. +7
    6 August 2023 05: 25
    on the streets, it is necessary to constantly demonstrate to the townsfolk their high status in order to achieve any kind of polite treatment.

    Nothing has changed in 150 years. sad
  4. +1
    6 August 2023 06: 05
    The fact that Bismarck did not utter the phrases attributed to him does not negate the fact that they are in principle true. Each ruler, official of the highest rank has assistants, secretaries who come up with biting phrases for the boss, expressions corresponding to the mentality of the boss. soldier
    1. +10
      6 August 2023 06: 46
      If the invented phrases were true in principle, there would be no need to attribute them to any authority for the sake of persuasiveness.
      1. -3
        6 August 2023 14: 17
        You yourself understood what nonsense you are writing, a vivid example of Chernomyrdin who himself tried to explain himself. Maybe there are geniuses to communicate with the public, but they are a tiny minority, and literary and political slaves, such as Pavlovsky, write for the Bismarcks, Brezhnevs, Yeltsins. soldier
        1. +2
          6 August 2023 17: 18
          For some strange reason you don't understand the difference between speechwritingwhen they write phrases for a figure who then pronounces (or otherwise authorizes their publication on his own behalf), and fake quotes, when the phrase is attributed ("attributed" and "write" - two different words) without his knowledge to the person who didn't pronounce (And in general, I did not personally subscribe to them in any form).
      2. +2
        6 August 2023 19: 45
        If the invented phrases were true in principle, there would be no need to attribute them to any authority for the sake of persuasiveness.

        "For the most part, Russians believe only in foreign authorities. They like to repeat:" There is no prophet in one's own country" (c) von Bismarck. :))
  5. +12
    6 August 2023 06: 10
    Interesting article. Thanks to the author.
  6. +10
    6 August 2023 06: 26
    Bismarck asked if the young emperor knew how to act tough.
    The Germans, even then, were most worried about the presence of a strong-willed, tough and purposeful emperor. And they were right. Under Nicholas II, political cataclysms befell Russia, and with the advent of Gorbachev, it became clear what a weak-willed, agreeing leader could lead the country to.
    1. +6
      6 August 2023 09: 03
      It became clear what a weak-willed people with slave traditions of the 17th century leads the country to. Incapable of electing a single strong leader out of 100 million.

      "A people dependent on the will of one person cannot survive, and does not deserve it" / R. Sheridan/
      1. +4
        7 August 2023 22: 23
        Quote: ivan2022
        ... Not capable of electing a single strong leader out of 100 million.
        "A people dependent on the will of one person cannot survive, and does not deserve it" / R. Sheridan/

        Well, we will elect a strong leader, on whose will we will depend and kill ourselves from this and we will not deserve to survive at the same time.
        Do we need it? Or should it be admitted that your post is self-contradictory?
        Quote: ivan2022
        ... It became clear what a weak-willed people with slave traditions of the 17th century leads the country to.

        Probably the Great October Socialist Revolution took place without the participation of the will of the people, or it simply fell out of your consciousness.
        I don’t know what to say about the “slave traditions of the 17th century”. To do this, you need to honestly answer two questions:
        1. what is wrong with our country?
        2. who brought us (the country, and, of course, the people) to such a state?
        The Russian people have a very wise proverb (whatever Sheridan is): "What is the priest, such is the parish." The role of public administration with all its institutions in the process of educating and reformatting the people, I think you will not deny? Our state, of course, is not legal, to put it mildly, but if Navalny was not followed, then it means a weak-willed people with slave traditions. In your opinion, it only works out that way, if you think logically.
    2. man
      -2
      6 August 2023 09: 19
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Bismarck asked if the young emperor knew how to act tough.
      The Germans, even then, were most worried about the presence of a strong-willed, tough and purposeful emperor. And they were right. Under Nicholas II, political cataclysms befell Russia, and with the advent of Gorbachev, it became clear what a weak-willed, agreeing leader could lead the country to.

      Don't you dare continue! stop laughing
    3. 0
      7 August 2023 15: 22
      I'm afraid to fall under Russian sanctions, but something tells me that now the spirit of Gorbachev is simply in the air, not only in the air, but also in the structures of state power and even in the Moscow Region ...
  7. -1
    6 August 2023 06: 36
    Empty chatter, of course, it’s cool to insert some kind of quote in a dispute, but Bismarck is not a prophet ... It is important to look for a way to overcome the problems and vices of the state and society, and not distract with populism about "corruption" (by the way, corruption is one of the favorite theses of the Anglo-Saxons along with the "lack of democracy" - when they need to destroy another country)
    1. 0
      6 August 2023 19: 54
      by the way, corruption is one of the favorite theses of the Anglo-Saxons, along with the "lack of democracy" - when they need to destroy another country

      Wow! I thought that corruption destroys the country from the inside, but it turns out that this is such a bond, protection from the Anglo-Saxons;)
      1. +3
        8 August 2023 14: 15
        Quote: MBRBS
        by the way, corruption is one of the favorite theses of the Anglo-Saxons, along with the "lack of democracy" - when they need to destroy another country

        Wow! I thought that corruption destroys the country from the inside, but it turns out that this is such a bond, protection from the Anglo-Saxons;)

        Googling "Corruption in the Vatican" (in a state with a population of 1000 people!) Or "Corruption in Sweden" or "Corruption in Germany" ..
        Favorite - "construction of the Berlin airport" ... ours are crying with envy ....
  8. +11
    6 August 2023 07: 10
    Nothing seems to have changed since Bismarck.
  9. +11
    6 August 2023 07: 36
    Otto Eduard Leopold, Furst von Bismarck-Schönhausen, was a Prussian to the core. Thirty-two-year-old Bismarck wrote in one of his letters with undisguised pride, "that in his father's house, where his ancestors lived, were born and died for centuries in the same chambers, a conservative spirit, a conservative principle reigns." His worldview can no longer be altered, as well as the idea of ​​​​Russia, which developed long before his appointment as ambassador to R.I. Yes, and Alexander von Kaiserling, also flattering about Russia, did not say much, a German is a German, albeit an Ostsee one. In the Union, where they read a lot, there was an opinion about Bismarck after the release of the historical novel “The Battle of the Iron Chancellors” by the Soviet writer Valentin Savich Pikul, published in 1977. Many apocrypha are from there. You can’t blame Valentin Savich for this, he used the sources that were then available. And the novel is interesting, well read, Pikul knew how to write.
    Bismarck assessed the transition to a policy of replacing ethnic Germans in leadership positions with national cadres that began under Nicholas I in a purely negative way.
    What is natural, kings are by blood 100% - Germans and only in our country, unfinished monarchists, for some reason, they consider the last tsars to be the Romanovs, and everywhere they are considered Holstein-Gottorp. A hand washes a hand.
    Bismarck willingly talked about the "shameless venality of Russian officials from top to bottom" and ingenious types of bribes, such as buying a petitioner for a lot of money
    Reminds me of the current time. Having destroyed Soviet power, they ran with "leaps and bounds", back to past. And yet, this quote deserves attention.
    On September 30, 1862, in the lower house of the Prussian Landtag, Bismarck declared very boldly for the walls of parliament: “The great questions of the time are not decided by speeches and resolutions of the majority, but by iron and blood!”
    It's hard not to agree.
    1. +1
      6 August 2023 11: 03
      With 100% Germans, everything is not so simple. Germany was assembled from different pieces, the same Bavarians did not consider themselves Germans at one time. And all of Germany to the east of the Oder is mostly Germanized Slavs, and there was no mass genocide there - those who converted to Christianity joined the German people. According to one version of the origin of Rurik, he was from the West Slavic Obodrite tribe. Both Holstein and especially Gottorp were inhabited to a large extent by obodrites, and they often played the first roles there in the Middle Ages after Christianization. And Brandenburg, where Bismarck was born, is also a former Slavic land. So not everything is so simple with the Germans.
      1. +3
        6 August 2023 12: 16
        Quote from shikin
        With 100% Germans, everything is not so simple.

        What happened there in the XNUMXth century is not so important. The fact is obvious - the mother of Paul I, Sophia Frederick Augustus of Anhalt-Zerbst. whose place of birth, the details of her early life, have not yet been precisely determined. The mother of Paul's children was Sophia Maria Dorothea Augusta Louise of Württemberg. The wives of subsequent kings, Louise Maria Augusta of Baden, Frederick Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina of Prussia, Maximilian Wilhelmina Augusta Sophia Maria of Hesse, Maria Sophia Frederica Dagmar, Victoria Alice Elena Louise Beatrice of Hesse-Darmstadt, Slavic roots there, point-blank can not see. If only Danish, but there also does not smell of Slavs. So what are the 100% roots then?
        1. +2
          6 August 2023 14: 24
          Quote: Unknown
          Quote from shikin
          With 100% Germans, everything is not so simple.

          What happened there in the XNUMXth century is not so important. The fact is obvious - the mother of Paul I, Sophia Frederick Augustus of Anhalt-Zerbst. whose place of birth, the details of her early life, have not yet been precisely determined. The mother of Paul's children was Sophia Maria Dorothea Augusta Louise of Württemberg. The wives of subsequent kings, Louise Maria Augusta of Baden, Frederick Louise Charlotte Wilhelmina of Prussia, Maximilian Wilhelmina Augusta Sophia Maria of Hesse, Maria Sophia Frederica Dagmar, Victoria Alice Elena Louise Beatrice of Hesse-Darmstadt, Slavic roots there, point-blank can not see. If only Danish, but there also does not smell of Slavs. So what are the 100% roots then?

          what If you look at the British representatives of the Windsor dynasty, they are the same English as you consider the representatives of the Romanovs. So in Britain, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty, the younger branch of the ancient Saxon house of Wettin. In order to become their own for the British during WWI, they "rebranded" on the board and became the Windsors, after the name of the royal castle near London.
          1. +1
            6 August 2023 17: 44
            Quote: Lynx2000
            If you look at the British representatives of the Windsor dynasty, they are the same English as you consider the representatives of the Romanovs. So in Britain, the Saxe-Coburg-Gotha dynasty, the younger branch of the ancient Saxon house of Wettin.

            So Germany of the 19th century is a bunch of run-down principalities, margraviates, counties, etc. formations that only supplied their so-called "princesses" to almost all the courts of Europe. A sort of "royal matchmaker", to fuse a stale "merchant", in the face of numerous female offspring, these various kings. But how it sounds - Maria Louise Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld!
    2. 0
      7 August 2023 15: 26
      I think he deserves respect. And the fact that he defended the interests of his country and nation can be taken as an example of our current government, which has forgotten its nation, and moved its interests abroad...
  10. +10
    6 August 2023 08: 45
    Bismarck is a successful politician, but the string of Russian tsars contemporary to him is rather not. If it comes to that, then the Germans used the heavy war we did not need for the liberation of the little brothers as winners - they set up their own dynasty in Bulgaria, which subsequently pursued a pro-German policy.
    Therefore, Bismarck's assessments of the Russian strata of society are most likely objective, as a person with a German upbringing and worldview, observation and analytical mind.
    Well, he was not hired and is not obliged to dance Kamarinsky, cry at the sight of birch trees and sing a song about the horse of the Lyube group.
    He is an example of a national politician, and for this reason alone our future midaks should study his legacy as an example.
  11. 0
    6 August 2023 08: 53
    Russian man Truth is always stated only obscene language. /writer Pelevin/

    This is probably why when a Russian person hears Prigogine, he thinks he hears the Truth.

    This is probably why in VO no one can convince anyone with any logic.
    And how to achieve this without a mat?
  12. +3
    6 August 2023 10: 53
    Having had plenty of conversation with the slowly harnessing cabbies, who then made up for the time with a frantic ride, and summarizing this experience in a letter to his wife from Moscow in 1859, Bismarck stated: “To harness slowly and drive fast is in the nature of this people”

    It is extremely curious how the respected author imagines this situation?
    The Prussian ambassador goes on foot to the outskirts of the capital, where he finds a stable in which a cab driver is slowly harnessing his horse?
    Seriously?!!
    A cab driver is, in modern terms, a taxi driver. And, since there was no Yandex cab driver, if he was already in the center, then his horses were already harnessed and fed ...

    But in general, the article is interesting.
    Thank you.
    1. +2
      6 August 2023 15: 33
      Bismarck has visited many places in Russia. Given the time, of course. Obviously did not get to Siberia)))). Traveled back and forth. Was inquisitive. Knew the language. There was even love. Lived a normal life.
  13. +1
    6 August 2023 19: 19
    Fortunately, a cure for corruption has already been invented and tested in Russia - socialism, Soviet power, OBKhSS. It remains only to resume the interrupted treatment.
    1. +1
      8 August 2023 14: 43
      Quote: MBRBS
      Fortunately, a cure for corruption has already been invented and tested in Russia - socialism, Soviet power, OBKhSS. It remains only to resume the interrupted treatment.

      It didn’t help .... if it were effective, there wouldn’t be a bunch of corruption cases and the Union would be intact
  14. -1
    6 August 2023 19: 44
    Otto did not know what was in the future
    corruption, embezzlement, nepotism will be called bonds
    and the terpil people will be called deep
    sacredly believing that "the king is good, the boyars are bad"
    and in the hallways pissing only "obamka"
    not the tough people themselves
  15. -2
    6 August 2023 19: 48
    Quote: ivan2022
    It became clear what a weak-willed people with slave traditions of the 17th century leads the country to. Incapable of electing a single strong leader out of 100 million.

    "A people dependent on the will of one person cannot survive, and does not deserve it" / R. Sheridan/


    exceptionally true
    people who have come to terms with the fact that out of 140 million, as an alternative to the current "never lied" they can only offer political freaks (Zhirik and Zyuganov) and the host of the "Dom-2" garbage heap
    this people have nothing to catch, they choose their own projection.
  16. -2
    6 August 2023 19: 51
    Quote: saigon
    In the second photo, we see a person with a metabolic disorder and probably heart problems with the word sick person, what can I say.


    and I did not know that gluttony, a sedentary lifestyle,
    so compassionately can be called
  17. -4
    6 August 2023 20: 34
    Quote: MBRBS
    Fortunately, a cure for corruption has already been invented and tested in Russia - socialism, Soviet power, OBKhSS. It remains only to resume the interrupted treatment.

    everything that you called is the rule of law
    independence of the judiciary
    which, for example, in the United States, imprisoned billionaires and stars
    and one clint sat on a stool and disgraced the whole country, telling how he gave a fang to a certain Monica during working hours

    you don’t even grow to obhss if you want
    1. +1
      8 August 2023 14: 47
      Quote from: bravo77
      which, for example, in the United States, imprisoned billionaires and stars

      The Pentagon - somewhere zapsotivshiy 8trl (!!!) - apparently the whole poll is sitting? Until the last cleaning lady??
      2/3 do not even have accounting documents ...
      And this -open part of the theft that does not fall under the headings of secrecy.
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    0
    8 August 2023 18: 36
    Nikita Mikhalkov had a chic film in the 80s - Black Eyes. In addition to the love line, it perfectly showed the line of corruption and bureaucracy, however, in Tsarist Russia, the USSR, this did not seem to concern ...
  20. 0
    16 September 2023 23: 36
    If corruption is considered a unique feature of the Russian Empire, then the exclusivity of the Russian Empire must also be recognized.
    Are there countries, and have there been in the past, where there was no corruption at all?
    Maybe. But then you need to formulate in great detail what constitutes corruption.
    Signing an agreement for the supply of products at a price higher than the minimum offered and receiving remuneration from the supplier. Yes, corruption.
    Signing an agreement for the supply of products at a price higher than the minimum offered, with greater reliability in terms of stability of supply, with better conditions for warranty service and receiving remuneration from the supplier. Not sure.