Medieval cities: to see through the eyes of their contemporaries

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Medieval cities: to see through the eyes of their contemporaries
You can drive through a medieval city… if, for example, you come to the fortified city of Carcassonne in France, get into this wagon and drive it along all its winding streets. But we will see it, again, through the eyes of modern man. But how did the people of that time, their, so to speak, contemporaries see the medieval cities? Photo of the author


... get up, go to Nineveh, the great city,
and preach in it.

Jonah 1:2

stories by stories Middle Ages. On the pages of VO, we have repeatedly discussed interesting examples of medieval literature, the so-called manuscripts, so named because they were written by hand. Then printing was invented, and the first printed books appeared, which were called incunabula.



However, not all printed books of that distant time are considered to be incunabula, but only those that were published in Europe from the moment printing began until January 1, 1501. These editions are very rare, since the circulation of the first printed books was small and amounted to only 100-300 copies. Among the most famous incunabula is the Gutenberg Bible, printed in the early 1450s.

However, the incunabula and incunabula are different. Among them there are more interesting for us, and less. Among the first is the famous "Nuremberg Chronicle" - an incunabula, printed in 1493 and containing a beautifully illustrated chronicle of biblical history, starting from the creation of the world.


Sheet of the "Nuremberg Chronicle" by Hartmann Schedel with a woodcut depicting the Creator (1493)

It was written in Latin by Hartmann Schedel (1440-1514), and translated into Middle German by Georg Alt, and published by him, and there are editions in Latin and in German, which differ from one another. However, the most unique thing in this work is by no means the text of the work, but as many as 1809 (!) woodcut illustrations directly related to it, and in some of the surviving copies of this chronicle they were even hand-colored!


Nuremberg in 1493. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

By education, Hartman Schedel was a physician and worked in this field somewhere from 1485, and managed to get acquainted with such famous humanist scientists of this time as Konrad Celtis, Sigismund Meisterlin, Jerome Müntzer, Johann Trithemy and Dietrich Ulsenius. And so, in communication with them, he came to the idea to write ... his own historical chronicle.


Bamberg. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

It is quite possible that this desire arose also because many books were being printed in the German lands at the same time, both on world history and directly on German history. This once again proves the fact that the main thing in a person is his intellect, and professional knowledge plays a secondary role.


Erfurt. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

In working on the chronicle, Schedel relied on many of the works of his predecessors, simply rewriting them. Among them were the Annals of Lambert of Hersfeld (1080), and the Chronicle of Popes and Emperors by Martin Opavsky (1278), published in Turin in 1477, the Chronicle of Emperors and Kings by the chronicler from Strasbourg Jacob Twinger von Königshofen (1420), printed in the same 1477 in Augsburg, and the "World Chronicle" of the Augustinian monk Giacomo Filippo Foresti from Bergamo, which was published in Venice in 1483.


Strasbourg on the spread of the incunabula, along with the text. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

Following the medieval tradition, Schedel divided the entire world history into seven centuries, which at that time was revered as an unconditional truth. They were divided as follows:

1. The era from the creation of the world to the Flood.
2. The era from the end of the flood to the birth of Abraham.
3. The era from Abraham to David.
4. Time before the Babylonian captivity.
5. Time before Christmas.
6. The time after the birth of Christ and up to the end of the XNUMXth century (moreover, this time in Shedel's book occupied most of its volume).
7. And finally - the end of the world and the Last Judgment to take place.


Munich. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

In addition to images of German cities, in Schedel's book one can see images of many other cities in Europe of this time. This is how, in his opinion, in 1493 it looked ...


Paris. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


And this is Vienna. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

For the first time, Schedel's work was published on July 12, 1493 in Nuremberg in Latin and with the following title: "Liber chronicarum cum fìguris et ymaginibus ab inicio mundi" ("Book of chronicles with figures and images from the beginning of the world").

And on December 23 of the same year, its German translation appeared, which was made by Georg Alt. The approximate circulation of the "Chronicle" was from 1 to 400 copies in the Latin version, and 1-500 copies in the German version.


Venice. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


Verona


Genoa

The book was very expensive. So, in London in 1495, one copy of the chronicle was valued at 66 shillings and 8 pence. In 1496, 1497 and 1500 in Augsburg, the publication of books of a smaller format was arranged, which cost less than the Nuremberg folio, and were more accessible to the buyer.

Due to the high price for 1509, 539 copies in Latin and 60 in German were not sold. So it is not surprising that about 400 books in Latin and 300 in German have reached the beginning of the XNUMXst century. At the same time, some copies were hand-painted, and some copies were even embroidered, because large illustrations from the Chronicle were in special demand - they were copied and sold as paintings that adorned the walls of burgher houses.


Florence. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


Mantova. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

It was interesting to print the Nuremberg Chronicle by a certain Anton Koberger - also known for being the godfather of Albrecht Dürer.

However, why this book of 1493 was so expensive is understandable. The fact is that for her in the workshop of the Nuremberg artists Michael Wolgemut - (teacher of Albrecht Dürer), and his son-in-law Wilhelm Pleidenwurf, as many as 645 engravings were cut out, and from them ... 1 illustrations on 809 pages were made. It turned out this way because many of them, and above all the types of cities, are duplicated in the text (sometimes up to 336 times!).

Moreover, so, the image of the city of Aquileia is very similar to the picture of Bologna, Verona is a copy of Perugia, but the most amusing is the image of Christian Marseille, which ... is replaced by the view of Nicaea with a mosque in the background on the right.


Marseilles. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


And this is Trier!

This happened, most likely, due to the fact that Schedel's cities could not get sketches with views of some cities and decided to simply replace empty spaces with arbitrary ones. Therefore, in the "Chronicle" the most reliable can be considered the views of German cities, and, well, some cities of Italy, where the chronicler obviously visited personally. But the images of the cities of the East and the ancient biblical cities are pure fantasy.


Babylon. This is how the author "saw" it. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


Carthage is another absolutely fantastic image. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


Got on the pages of the "Nuremberg Chronicle" and the legendary Troy!


The biblical Nineveh is also present in it. Well, how without it?!


Shedel, most likely, also did not visit Jerusalem, but nevertheless he placed his image in his book!

In general, the woodcuts of this chronicle, although containing inaccuracies and distortions, are of great interest as a source of information about the architectural traditions and principles of urban development in 1493, fortifications, public buildings, and also show us such details as piers, bridges and much more. other.


Image of Constantinople on p. 249. Hand-painted copy

In total, there are 642 original illustrations in the Nuremberg Chronicle, and there are large ones, occupying a full spread, with a format of 342 by 500 mm. There are 29 double-sided cityscapes and even two double-sided maps: one map of the world and a second map of Central and Northern Europe. America is not on the world map, since Amerigo Vespucci on his South American expedition of 1501-1502. I just haven't been able to tell yet.

There are on the European map and "Russia" (Rvssia) and "Muscovy" (Mosovia), shown separately. Moreover, the first is the territory of the possessions of Veliky Novgorod and Pskov, and the second belongs to the Grand Duchy of Moscow.


Krakow. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle


Wroclaw. True, in the "Chronicle ..." he is called in the German manner - Breslau!

The handwritten version of the chronicle itself was in the personal library of Hartmann Schedel, and in 1552, after his death, it moved to the library of Johann Jakob Fugger. In turn, in 1571, it ended up with Duke Albrecht V of Bavaria, and now this valuable document is kept in the collection of the Bavarian State Library (Munich).


Buda in 1493


Prague


Market town of Lübeck

By the way, the first incunabula catalogs were created back in the XNUMXth century.

So, the bibliographer and historian Ludwig Hein, who compiled their catalog called "Bibliographic Repertoire" (1826-1838), managed to describe 16 thousand 299 incunabula in it! Here, it turns out, how many such books were printed at the turn of the Middle Ages and the New Age.


Map of Central and Northern Europe. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle
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  1. +4
    30 July 2023 04: 50
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    Tried Hartman Schedel. Still, it's good to aim at a lot. The scale of what was conceived and realized is impressive.
    1. +6
      30 July 2023 06: 35
      But I did not notice Tartaria on the map.

      On the extreme map there is Polonia, Livonia, Littau, Wallachia, Tartaria, Muscovy, Russia covering the northeastern bay of Mare Germanicum .. Novgorod, Pleskau (Pskov), Riga ... Lemberg ...

      The Nordic countries and Iceland (Yslant) are shown west of Greenland... The Danish straits are marked.

      And on the left - ORIENT, on the right OXIDENT, below - MITAG (which in German is lunch, but in the sense of "middle"). And on top of MNACHT - it's not clear, but it looks like "night".

      The thinness of the lines and the small font testify to the quality of the paper, the precision of the processing tools, commensurate with jewelry! And of course the color and variety of fonts are better remembered and accentuate the author's intent!! Contribute to the encyclopedic volume of the tome!
      Technological progress in action - leads to more information content and dissemination of knowledge!

      You write "very expensive" with a price of 66 shillings.... For reference, “... At the beginning of the XIV century, for 1 pence you could buy 6 herrings, or 6 lampreys, or 2 dozen chicken eggs, or half a liter of quality wine, or 3 liters of good ale. For 6 pence a goose. For 6 shillings - the carcass of a cow. For a shilling - a carcass of a ram or 5 geese .... 1 pound is 20 shillings, 1 shilling is 12 pence...

      In 1300, a servant (maid) or swineherd received 1 pound a year. Carpenter - 3-4 pounds a year, his apprentice - 2 pounds, cooper - 3 pounds, bricklayer - 5-8 pounds, master gunsmith - 16 pounds, lawyer of the highest rank - up to 300 pounds .. "

      Really very expensive!!

      As you can see, lawyers have always earned as soon as there was a central religious and secular power, the circulation of money and the accumulation of capital ... However!!

      Thank you for the beautifully illustrated essay Vyacheslav Olegovich! You created a lot on vacation - yesterday and the day before yesterday - 4 most interesting essays !!!
      1. +4
        30 July 2023 06: 51
        "Mitag" not in the sense of "Lunch", but in the sense of "Noon", middle of the day, south, midsection tag.
        Same with "Midnight"
      2. +2
        30 July 2023 08: 08
        I join the kind words of Sergey and Mikhail about the work of Vyacheslav!
        Although initially seeing a donkey under the title of the article, he was skeptical about it.
        Good day everyone, with respect to Kote!
        P.sy. Vyacheslav Olegovich - where are the abandoned cats !!! laughing
        1. +3
          30 July 2023 08: 29
          Totally disagree about the donkey. "Useful animal" (c). And who else could carry, for example, the Bremen Town Musicians.
          1. +4
            30 July 2023 09: 20
            Sergey, Vlad, good morning! hi
            Quote from Korsar4
            Totally disagree about the donkey. "Useful animal" (c). And who else could carry, for example, the Bremen Town Musicians.

            So he himself was!
          2. +3
            30 July 2023 12: 04
            Quote from Korsar4
            Totally disagree about the donkey. "Useful animal" (c). And who else could carry, for example, the Bremen Town Musicians.

            Uh-huh, especially with the "loaded" gold, the rumor goes that it takes cities!
            1. +1
              30 July 2023 18: 34
              The father of such a son will not advise bad.
        2. +2
          30 July 2023 10: 06
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          Vyacheslav Olegovich - where are the abandoned cats

          As where? In the article about how I rested - the "opinions" section. There are two photos of great cats!
          1. +3
            30 July 2023 12: 05
            Quote: kalibr
            Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
            Vyacheslav Olegovich - where are the abandoned cats

            As where? In the article about how I rested - the "opinions" section. There are two photos of great cats!


            Quote from Kojote21
            Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
            where are the abandoned cats!!!

            Vlad, I give you a tip: "Opinions" section, article Again at the fortress "Warm water".


            Thank you!
            1. +1
              30 July 2023 15: 05
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              Quote: kalibr
              Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
              Vyacheslav Olegovich - where are the abandoned cats

              As where? In the article about how I rested - the "opinions" section. There are two photos of great cats!


              Quote from Kojote21
              Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
              where are the abandoned cats!!!

              Vlad, I give you a tip: "Opinions" section, article Again at the fortress "Warm water".


              Thank you!

              You're welcome! hi
        3. +4
          30 July 2023 11: 43
          Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
          where are the abandoned cats!!!

          Vlad, I give you a tip: "Opinions" section, article Again at the fortress "Warm water".
          1. +4
            30 July 2023 17: 22
            I give a tip: section "Opinions", article Again at the fortress "Warm Water".

            Vyacheslav, there are no words. I'm just offended. What the hell was it to offer me a joint vacation in Turkey or the UAE, when he went to us at the CMS. It would not be easier to write to me and stay at our guest house. Food, wine, chauffeur-driven travel around the Caucasus, and unforgettable experiences would be provided.
            1. 0
              30 July 2023 20: 19
              Quote: Richard
              I'm just offended.

              Sympathize with you...
      3. +4
        30 July 2023 09: 41
        Glad you liked it. But you wrote a very interesting comment!
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  3. 0
    30 July 2023 04: 54
    The author mentioned Russia, Muscovy. But I did not notice Tartaria on the map. Specially? Or doesn't know what to say?
    1. +3
      30 July 2023 05: 31
      Quote: ee2100
      The author mentioned Russia, Muscovy. But I did not notice Tartaria on the map. Specially? Or doesn't know what to say?

      Then you don’t refuse Atlantis on the maps! And from the land of Presbyter John. And then: here I believe, there I do not believe! Here they drew Atlantis on a map, say 17th century - that's it! Sabbath!
      1. +1
        30 July 2023 08: 26
        Then let's question such toponyms as Muscovy, Russia. There was recently an article about Yakov Bruce, so he made a map for Pyotr Alekseevich in 1696, "A map of lands from Moscow to Asia Minor."

        Here, several Tartatia are also noted.
        The author, after all, as the historian claims, so let him explain what and how to understand hi
        1. +2
          30 July 2023 09: 46
          Quote: ee2100
          as the historian claims

          The historian, Alexander, is not a god; he cannot know everything. But on the other hand, I do not have TWO diplomas of the Higher Attestation Commission!
          1. +2
            30 July 2023 09: 56
            Quote: kalibr
            But on the other hand, I do not have TWO diplomas of the Higher Attestation Commission!

            good
          2. +5
            30 July 2023 15: 20
            Quote: kalibr
            The historian, Alexander, is not a god; he cannot know everything. But on the other hand, I do not have TWO diplomas of the Higher Attestation Commission!
            Two... Psy! I saw a man in the transition, he had a whole bag of these diplomas!
    2. +5
      30 July 2023 08: 43
      Quote: ee2100
      The author mentioned Russia, Muscovy. But I did not notice Tartaria on the map. Specially? Or doesn't know what to say?

      Good morning, Alexander!
      I think I didn’t attach importance to the burning fans of Nosonov-Fomenko, or I “forgot” to bend before the “official organ”. It is necessary to advise Olegovich, maybe the article even got into the first line of the column, and did not close it !!! laughing
      Everyone is pissed off and that's enough!
      The "Gutenberg Bible" appears in the 50s of the XV century and displays a pseudo-real picture of the European layman. The Novgorod and Pskov lands have not yet been fully integrated into the Kalitichi patrimony (Moscow House). Yes, and the Moscow princes themselves at that time were tributaries of the Khan of the Great Horde, in which decentralization processes were also taking place at that time. The common name Tartaria tritely illustrates the Author's impotence to distinguish the Crimean, Kazan, Astrakhan, Siberian and other khanates and hordes (Nagai, Bashkir, etc.). However, the Great Ryazan (until 1521) and Tver (until 1485-86) principalities that existed at that time were not formally reflected in the same way. However, it is not necessary to demand otherwise from the Author, especially with that “informatization” of society! More precisely, its binding to merchant relationships!
      Well, the last. Moscow sovereigns received their final independence only in 1480 as a result of standing on the Ugra. So I must say thanks to Gutenberg for his insight, he could just paint Tartaria on top of Russia and Muscovy and he would be formally right.
      1. +6
        30 July 2023 09: 12
        Good morning!
        I brought a map of Yakov Bruce, created for Peter Alekseevich, do you think that he did not know the names of the regions that border on Russia or neighboring countries?
        After all, not only the names of countries are marked on the map, but there are also toponyms that have come down to our time.
        Yes, we can say that Moscow was also a principality, the center of Russia, was part of the Republic of Ingushetia, was the capital of the USSR, and now in the Russian Federation.
        Likely, the names of the country have changed, but Tartaria is not only on the maps, it also appears in the written sources of travelers.
        None of the historians has taken the liberty of trying to put an end to this issue, or even tried.
        1. +2
          30 July 2023 12: 22
          Good morning!
          I brought a map of Yakov Bruce, created for Peter Alekseevich, do you think that he did not know the names of the regions that border on Russia or neighboring countries?
          After all, not only the names of countries are marked on the map, but there are also toponyms that have come down to our time.

          Let's be honest, Bruce is not Remizov and was not a trap of Kaluga. Apparently he borrowed the map from European sources familiar to him.
          Therefore, Tartaria did not embarrass him. By the way, modern Muscovites have everything beyond Woal - Siberia. Hence the dibilism of the division into federal districts. When the Urals (Perm Territory, the Republic of Bashkortostan and the Orenburg Region) are included in the Volga Federal District, and Western Siberia is represented (Tyumen and Kurgan Regions in the Ural Federal District).
          So it is with Boyus Tartaria - this is where the Tatars live. For a Russian person, a contemporary of Yakov Bruce, these are Siberian, Tyumen, Nogai, etc. Tatars.
          Including Bukhara and Bashkir. Vasily Tatishchev, building factories on the Stone Belt, wrote: the Tatars living on Ufimka and Chusovaya call themselves Bashkirs, which is not true (he suspected them that the latter were afraid of Russian revenge).
          1. +5
            30 July 2023 16: 35
            Official science also does not favor Remezov's book. It turns out that he described the story incorrectly.
    3. +3
      30 July 2023 09: 42
      Quote: ee2100
      Specially? Or doesn't know what to say?

      I just didn't notice. The monkey with old age has become weak in the eyes ...
      1. +2
        30 July 2023 10: 19
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: ee2100
        Specially? Or doesn't know what to say?

        I just didn't notice. The monkey with old age has become weak in the eyes ...

        Very sad... crying
  4. +3
    30 July 2023 05: 07
    Whatever the city, then straight "City on the hill." However, something can be learned - Venice, Florence, for example.
    When I read a series of books by the Russian Geographical Society about travelers, I was especially attracted to the good drawings made by members of the expeditions. It is a pity that the medieval "tourists" did not do this much.
    1. +2
      30 July 2023 06: 22
      Yes. Some characteristic features. The same roofs that catch the eye.

      And so - each city has its own face. And sometimes too far from his coat of arms.

      However, everyone walks their own paths.
  5. +6
    30 July 2023 05: 08
    It's funny to see Carthage, Troy, Nineveh in the form of European towns, reminiscent of children's drawings. I remember Babylon in the Soviet history textbook - power!
  6. 0
    30 July 2023 06: 21
    Good morning everybody! hi
    Many thanks to Vyacheslav Olegovich for the article, good day comrades! hi
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    1. +5
      30 July 2023 06: 47
      This is not a mosque. Mohammedans have a month upright, and this one is lying like a boat.
      1. +1
        30 July 2023 06: 53
        Not a mosque, but still... if there is no cross, then this is clearly a mistake... Don't you think so?
        1. +2
          30 July 2023 11: 40
          About the cross is difficult, maybe it is higher? For example so.

          1. +2
            30 July 2023 11: 46
            On the engraving of Trier, no higher ones are visible ...
          2. +4
            30 July 2023 12: 04
            In Christian symbolism, the crescent moon with its horns up is a symbol of the font of the Lord. A cross grows out of it - that's all. In heraldry - the sign of the youngest son.
      2. +4
        30 July 2023 13: 14
        Quote: Gardamir
        this one is lying like a boat.

        Not always and not everywhere. Apparently there are some nuances.

        Is this a mosque?
        1. +2
          30 July 2023 15: 06
          Quote: ArchiPhil
          Quote: Gardamir
          this one is lying like a boat.

          Not always and not everywhere. Apparently there are some nuances.

          Is this a mosque?

          That's right, Sergei! Top ten! Yes
          1. +3
            30 July 2023 17: 16
            Quote from Kojote21
            ! Top ten!

            I became interested in this issue and this is what we managed to find out. Alam / a crescent on a spire / can look in any direction, since according to belief the whole world was created by Allah and belongs to him. It can be located both vertically and horizontally. There is an opinion that the lower end of the alam should look towards Mecca, but there is simply no confirmation of this. So what? There is simply no special canon. hi
  8. +4
    30 July 2023 06: 50
    Quote: kalibr
    Therefore, in the "Chronicle" the most reliable images can be considered Germanic cities

    With the exception of Trier... really, what is the mosque doing in the background on the right?
    1. -1
      30 July 2023 07: 26
      Hello Artem!
      The overturned crescent in European heraldry meant the youngest son.
      1. +3
        30 July 2023 08: 57
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Hello Artem!
        The overturned crescent in European heraldry meant the youngest son.

        Hello Anton!
        Oh, foolish people - they get glory and wealth for themselves with a sword! After all, it can be more civilized and simpler. Hire a small cat for money, give him boots (red with a lapel) and that's it! During the year: the castle of the cannibal, princes and all your blessings. laughing
        Oh yes, the main thing did not write:
        1. A standard contract with a cat provides for a lifetime boarding house and access to a refrigerator (merci to the cellar).
        2. Do not give a cat to your backbiters from the princess.
        3. ... Anton, my friend, is it important this third condition? good
        1. +5
          30 July 2023 09: 17
          This is in case of a successful outcome. Those who went to visit the Cannibal unsuccessfully did not get into the statistics and did not leave memoirs.
          1. +3
            30 July 2023 17: 41
            Quote from Korsar4
            This is in case of a successful outcome. Those who went to visit the Cannibal unsuccessfully did not get into the statistics and did not leave memoirs.

            Why didn't they hit? The cannibal grandfather had died of indigestion in a red leather over the knee boot with spurs. He was allergic to cat hair, intestinal volvulus, and other dirty tricks.
            1. +2
              30 July 2023 18: 42
              And left the order to the descendants of dogs?
              1. +2
                30 July 2023 19: 41
                Quote from Korsar4
                And left the order to the descendants of dogs?

                Purely for culinary purposes, so that the boots do not choke!
                Because real dogs wear sneakers!!!
                See Ball from Prostokvashino. This is the one who did not talk to the cat for three days, “figvam” painted on the stove !!!
                Good evening my friend!!! drinks
                1. +2
                  30 July 2023 20: 10
                  Good evening, Vladislav!

                  I can not see without sadness Daily dog ​​fights,
                  “There are an astonishing number of Dogs in this little outback!
                  There are snouts - of every suit!
                  There are lean - all tones!
                  Just touch - torn to pieces
                  Ile will be left in a moment without pants.
                  I'm not talking about it for laughs
                  I once thought this:
                  Yes! The dog is man's friend.
                  to one,
                  And the other is an enemy...
                2. ANB
                  +3
                  30 July 2023 21: 33
                  . Because real dogs wear sneakers!!!

                  Sneakers
        2. +4
          30 July 2023 09: 17
          "And I don't need a princess for nothing,
          Miracle-yudu, I will win anyway!" (C)
          1. +4
            30 July 2023 09: 29
            ... But we did not live happily in the castle -
            The king sent on a campaign for a hundred long days ...
            My ideal is not waiting for me
            After all, he is a king, and I am a vassal, -
            And it's too early, apparently, to spit on the kings.
            1. +4
              30 July 2023 10: 08
              "But the life of a nobleman is a great ugliness;
              Everyone should be a knight, show nobility.
              With a sword - sometimes - and always with words
              To be in battle, love and in general examples,
              Keep your honor, so as not to be called a muddler,
              Before the order, clan, country, the Pope .. "(c)
              1. +3
                30 July 2023 11: 14
                I am sitting on the bunk, I am in Narofominsk.
                When you knew, ruining my life,
                That I could go out to be the Popes
                And to take, of course, you as a mother!
            2. +1
              30 July 2023 18: 06
              ...I hate all famous kings. hi
              1. +1
                30 July 2023 18: 30
                Because in war, though they really shoot,
                damp earth is not for Lyonka.
                Because (guilty), but I don't represent Moscow
                Without a king like him.
      2. +4
        30 July 2023 09: 23
        Good afternoon, Anton! hi
        I see... but it is not clear what he was doing on top of this building? request
        1. +5
          30 July 2023 10: 45
          Quote from Kojote21
          I see... but it is not clear what he was doing on top of this building?

          Artyom! Buddy! Well, how is it? recourse The same thing is written in the article, this is a mosque! And the city is different! By the way, the horizontal crescent was called the moon and was one of the symbols of the Mother of God, she is the Virgin Mary.
          1. +5
            30 July 2023 11: 02
            Good afternoon, Sergey! hi

            So the comrade upstairs, under the nickname "Gardamir", claims that this is not a mosque ...
            1. +3
              30 July 2023 11: 07
              Buddy, this is Nicaea. And this is ... a mosque. Look at the * image * of Trier and Marseille. Identical. Except for the palette.
              Oh, hell! Well, of course, good morning Artyom! hi
              1. +4
                30 July 2023 11: 12
                Yes, everything is clear, but one thing is not clear ... why does Vyacheslav Olegovich and Wikipedia sign this city as Trier?
                1. +3
                  30 July 2023 11: 45
                  Quote from Kojote21
                  Yes, everything is clear, but one thing is not clear ... why does Vyacheslav Olegovich and Wikipedia sign this city as Trier?

                  There can be only one answer. We used one source .. Hartman, who is Schödel. * He would have to translate, but he does not knit a bast .... *. bully
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                    30 July 2023 11: 49
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    Quote from Kojote21
                    Yes, everything is clear, but one thing is not clear ... why does Vyacheslav Olegovich and Wikipedia sign this city as Trier?

                    There can be only one answer. We used one source .. Hartman, who is Schödel. * He would have to translate, but he does not knit a bast .... *. bully

                    Not necessarily the same. And the fact that Schedel blundered a little in this matter is sad ... recourse
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                      30 July 2023 12: 06
                      Quote from Kojote21
                      Schedel blundered a little,

                      That's right!
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                        30 July 2023 12: 34
                        Quote: kalibr
                        Quote from Kojote21
                        Schedel blundered a little,

                        That's right!

                        He fantasized specifically ... so after all, why is the city signed as Trier?
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                    30 July 2023 12: 06
                    Quote: ArchiPhil
                    Use one source.

                    That's it!
  9. +5
    30 July 2023 08: 50
    Following the medieval tradition, Schedel divided the entire world history into seven centuries, which at that time was revered as an unconditional truth. They were divided as follows:

    1. The era from the creation of the world to the Flood.
    2. The era from the end of the flood to the birth of Abraham.
    3. The era from Abraham to David.
    4. Time before the Babylonian captivity.
    5. Time before Christmas.
    6. The time after the birth of Christ and up to the end of the XNUMXth century (moreover, this time in Shedel's book occupied most of its volume).
    7. And finally - the end of the world and the Last Judgment to take place.

    It is curious, but this passage is reflected in our Tale of Bygone Years. Let it be in an abbreviated format, but the main stages of systematization are reflected, although they are badly damaged by later census takers. Who tried to explain something to their contemporaries, and in most cases quite unsuccessfully. For how much bread they gave to our "combat hamsters" and butter, who profits from the stupidity of fluffies !!!
  10. +8
    30 July 2023 09: 16
    Nuremberg in 1493. Illustration from the Nuremberg Chronicle

    The city was crowded.
    They tried to accommodate as much living space as possible in the space enclosed by walls. It made sense!
    Good Sunday morning everyone and have a great day! )))

    By the way, I finally found out what an incunabula is. And it seemed because of the contexts that these were some secret books of alchemists, it would have died with false knowledge wassat )))
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
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      30 July 2023 09: 38
      Quote: depressant
      It made sense!

      The downside is that in the event of an epidemic in those days, with the then unsanitary conditions, people died en masse. From the plague, for example ...

      Good afternoon, Lyudmila Yakovlevna! hi
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        30 July 2023 12: 35
        The downside is that in the event of an epidemic in those days, with the then unsanitary conditions, people died en masse. From the plague, for example ...

        Artyom, you can die from the plague "massively" anywhere, and not just in the cramped medieval city. For example, at one time they died like this, it seems, from cholera in the Soviet North Caucasus. The heroic behavior of doctors and the creation of a vaccine played a role in stopping the epidemic. But in the rural Caucasus, it’s not just not crowded - there are marvelous open spaces! And in addition, the purest mountain water. Sheep are grazing
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          30 July 2023 13: 17
          Quote: depressant
          The downside is that in the event of an epidemic in those days, with the then unsanitary conditions, people died en masse. From the plague, for example ...

          Artyom, you can die from the plague "massively" anywhere, and not just in the cramped medieval city. For example, at one time they died like this, it seems, from cholera in the Soviet North Caucasus. The heroic behavior of doctors and the creation of a vaccine played a role in stopping the epidemic. But in the rural Caucasus, it’s not just not crowded - there are marvelous open spaces! And in addition, the purest mountain water. Sheep are grazing

          Yeah... it's very sad... crying crying
    2. +4
      30 July 2023 09: 48
      Quote: depressant
      so I would have died with false knowledge

      The most interesting thing is that you are not the only one who thought so. And many!!! All the best!
      1. +3
        30 July 2023 12: 26
        The most interesting thing is that you are not the only one who thought so. And many!!!

        Well, how many pictures have been viewed ...
        A dark, mysterious room, flasks, retorts, transparent tubes in which a bubbling liquid moves, and here he is himself - an Alchemist! Most often, an old man with a gray beard and a burning look, a pointed hat, a mantle ... What is he cooking there so dangerous, looking into the open huge incunabula? wassat )))
        And after all, somewhere in the bowels of cramped cities, this was happening and periodically persecuted. Although, I remember, some aristocrats, but already in their country castles, were fond of alchemy. It was a wonderful time!
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          30 July 2023 12: 54
          Quote: depressant
          Although, I remember, some aristocrats, but already in their country castles, were fond of alchemy. It was a wonderful time!

          Did you, dear friend, Gilles de Rais mean? bully

          I remember there was a huge article here on * VO * about this associate of Jeanne.
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            30 July 2023 15: 17
            Did I mean Gilles de Rais?
            Sergey Vladimirovich!... )))
            Yes, you have no idea what was going on in all of Europe, say, in the same XVI-XVIII centuries, including its Russian part!
            Well, it was like charging water with Chumak through the TV. Alchemy centers are everywhere! The highest aristocracy, kings, popes, priests of all ranks seemed to have gone crazy, sponsoring alchemists in unprecedented ways, and sometimes even setting up alchemical laboratories in palaces to get the coveted elixir. And not always the goal was gold. The money invested by the rich and the not so rich in alchemical centers was often intended to develop medicines, if not panaceas in general, as well as to restore beauty, youth and prolong life. Like bees for honey, scientists and rogues flocked to such centers from all over Europe - thanks to them, thanks to the brilliant investors for the birth of chemistry, cosmetology and much more! )))
  11. +2
    30 July 2023 10: 27
    All health. Vyacheslav Olegovich, how do you assess the reliability: "Rvissii" and ""Mosovia"?
    I think that Novgorod and Pskov should be reliable: Novgorod had close trade ties with the Hanseatic League
    And among the merchants of the "trading guests" there were: spies, there were just curious people, I would stare and take a picture of the same
    Could be curious people with a good memory. To return home and write everything down
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      30 July 2023 12: 08
      Quote from lisikat2
      Novgorod and Pskov, must be reliable

      I think so.
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    30 July 2023 11: 09
    Happy Russian Navy Day! I wish our sailors good luck and good health!!

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      30 July 2023 12: 36
      Quote from Kojote21
      Happy Russian Navy Day!

      And I like this handsome one more. 68 bis. On the roadstead in Sovgavan.
  13. +6
    30 July 2023 12: 15
    It's nice to see how the ancients called our cities, for example Strasbourg was Argentina, Vienna was Pannonia and the ancient Romans wrote Genoa and Mantua with ua at the end, we northern Italians still call them that in our dialect, unfortunately we don't can't read what was called Paris.
    1. +3
      30 July 2023 17: 35
      Vienna was Pannonia
      Pannonia is a province, the city has never been called that. Before Vienna was the Roman camp of Vindobona.
  14. +3
    30 July 2023 13: 22
    The book was very expensive. So, in London in 1495, one copy of the chronicle was valued at 66 shillings and 8 pence. In 1496, 1497 and 1500

    Strained.
    Before 1751, known calculators do not work. As for 1751, then 100 pounds is now 20 pounds, and in a pound, 100 shillings. AND... ?
    Probably, in order to understand how expensive the book was, it is necessary to have a point of comparison. For example, how much did a horse cost in those days?
    Or a goat?
    That is, something especially important, such that a person thinks: “A goat or a book? No, I’d rather buy a goat, at least milk from it, mmm .. But there will be a goat, there will be milk from a goat! And one book for a goat Just a bite is enough!"
    Well, that's me. Books were bought by the intelligentsia, for whom, of course, the book was of primary value as food for the mind and zero value for the stomach. Remember how in "Lame Fate" the midge caught by the secret police died? The golem said something like this: "He was not allowed to read, and he died of hunger"...

    I am very grateful to that of my friends who recommended me to read Snegov's trilogy "People are like gods".
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      30 July 2023 13: 41
      Quote: depressant
      Probably, in order to understand how expensive the book was, it is necessary to have a point of comparison. For example, how much did a horse cost in those days? Or a goat?

      Will not help. Because the horse (and the goat) today are different than in those ancient times. And the hamburger then, in my opinion, was still ... not so popular, here request Yes lol
      1. +4
        30 July 2023 16: 19
        And let's consider a more accurate criterion for the high cost of printing in the era of its formation)))
        Just imagine, a man, constrained by means, having spent a significant part of his life on the creation of literary or scientific work, comes to a professional book publisher, and he says to him: "Give me money!" - and calls an unbearable amount. And then the poor Author does what? Looking for a rich sponsor (king, duke, count, etc.). And in order to interest him, based on the fact that the book, due to its high cost, is a thing for all subsequent centuries, promises to glorify the sponsor in these same centuries through the dedication on the title page. And glorifies! In the most magnificent and flattering terms, painting sometimes non-existent virtues of the sponsor of the publication. One must think that most of the literature published at that time sinned with this. Therefore, if you see a dedication to a noble person, the price of the issue immediately becomes clear.
        But there were also such Authors, especially in terms of little-understood scientific works, who could not find a patron with a fat wallet, and then they went to the trick - they passed off their works as translations of ancient treatises - Jewish, Greek, Roman, Arabic, Chinese , others. One had only to declare the existence of such a translation, as the publishers resorted to themselves, and even competing with each other for the right to publish this work. Without being experts. They believed in the word! And then, when the work was published, the Author, of course, could not stand it and made a statement among the scientific community, they say, in fact, this is my work. Naturally, society resisted such statements, years passed, all the mess about authorship was forgotten, and now very often modern researchers face the question - whose work is this? Medieval cooking or really King Solomon's treatise on alchemy?
        Thus, the dedication of a book to a distinguished person and the Author's gratitude to that person for the fact that she, the person, exists, is the main sign of the high cost of printing in its initial era.
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          30 July 2023 16: 26
          Of course, I am not an alchemist, but I remember that the emperor of the Holy Roman Empire, Rudolf II, was an alchemist.
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            30 July 2023 17: 28
            I kind of digressed from the architecture of ancient cities, but who is talking about what, but lousy about the bathhouse. Who hurts, as they say ...
            After all, the first publishing houses did not exist in the countryside, but fit into the medieval city walls as part of the environment. And I must note with bitterness that, judging by the prohibitive prices of books on paper, collecting a private library in the current conditions is a feat of asceticism.
            Here we had a printing house in the regional center, there was also a store where I once (having accomplished the feat of asceticism wassat ) ) acquired his Arthur Clarke. And she even bought thin but well-published books on mathematics by foreign enlighteners.
            And now - everything, there is nothing as it was not. There are now twenty-story buildings, which are even scary to approach. Inhuman architecture!

            By the way, for some reason Napoleon stubbornly called St. Basil's Cathedral a mosque and even had a plan to blow it up. But something went wrong.
            There are symbolic buildings - symbols of the city, country and religion.
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            30 July 2023 17: 37
            Quote from Kojote21
            Roman Empire Rudolf II.

            The times were such that it was extremely difficult to determine where the police began and where Benya ended. bully Alchemy walked hand in hand with chemistry, astronomy was the girlfriend of astrology. And Rudolf was a man of broad views and a searching mind, so he brought people interesting to him closer to the court. It happens.
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              30 July 2023 18: 52
              So, what? He (Rudolf II) even tried to find philosopher's Stone! Yes Yes! Yes
        2. +4
          30 July 2023 17: 33
          Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
          Unfortunately, I did not find English prices of the end of the 2th century, and those that were given by my colleague Drabkin are incorrect, because they took place 300 centuries earlier, and no one canceled inflation. But I can enlighten on the cost of writing. Christine of Pisa was paid XNUMX livres by the royal court of France for writing two books.
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          30 July 2023 18: 26
          Quote: depressant
          the dedication of the book to a distinguished person and the Author's gratitude to that person for the fact that she, the person, exists, and is the main sign of the high cost of printing in its initial era

          Yes, yes, thank you ... the fact that female logic is a completely separate section of logic, I learned in my youth Yes laughing

          You see... I personally have no doubt that publishing a book "in the early days" was, erm... not easy and extremely costly. But this, IMHO, is not a reason for the mass removal of owls already put on the globe from space.
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      30 July 2023 17: 58
      Probably, in order to understand how expensive the book was, it is necessary to have a point of comparison.

      1441. I think that inflation had not yet galloped, so there will not be a big error. The cost of Milanese armor is 8 pounds, 6 shillings and 8 pence. Let's align
      "66 shillings and 8 pence"
      ,
      we get 3 pounds, 12 shillings and 8 pence.
      Roughly speaking, for three books you could buy a full Milanese armor.
      1. +3
        30 July 2023 18: 18
        I don’t think that Lyudmila Yakovlevna understands what “full Milanese armor” is. So it's better in "parrots", in a sense, in chickens.
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          30 July 2023 18: 29
          What's incomprehensible here? Full Milanese armor - armor covers the entire body. And they are made so that a person can move. Accordingly, the cost is higher. By the way, I saw a fight between two guys dressed in such armor, and was amazed at the amazing dexterity of trained fighters. A few years ago, I thought that a warrior dressed in such armor is like in a joke, they say, what kind of rumble is that? And this iron Felix fell! Like fell down, won't get up. So, pass here. With parrots and chickens is more incomprehensible. Especially with parrots. I guess they were rare. Much less common were chickens.
          In the upper comment, I defined the criterion by which we can safely say that the price of publishing a book was high. The selling price is naturally very high.
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          30 July 2023 18: 50
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          better in "parrots", in the sense, in chickens

          By the way, about the birds. In chickens, it will probably be more scientific, since the chicken that now - smoking havaetsya that then ... quite a comparable measure, KMK.

          For lack of a hamburger laughing
          1. +3
            30 July 2023 18: 57
            In chickens, it will probably be more scientific, because the chicken that is now - smokes hawa, that then ...
            Exactly! Considering how much a "full Milanese armor" costs today (a remake, of course).
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            30 July 2023 19: 03
            Hens for the indicated period were not found. Two dozen eggs - one penny.
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              30 July 2023 19: 11
              That is, for about a quarter of the earnings of a London artisan per day, one could eat well, washed down with not the worst beer.
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                30 July 2023 19: 28
                I found a weaver's salary, though the beginning of the 5th century, 3,78533 pence a day. A good ale is a halfpence a gallon. The then gallon for measuring wine and liquids - XNUMX liters
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                  30 July 2023 19: 33
                  I, too, rely on this information. Weaver - "middle class" among artisans.
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                30 July 2023 19: 30
                That's tenacious! )))
                Yes, even a novel about women's logic started. But Viktor Nikolaevich insists on chickens, as if making it clear that a chicken is not a bird, a woman is not a person. Well, I deduced a criterion by which it can be argued that in those days the cost of publishing a work was unbearable for the author, therefore, an unaffordable price for the average buyer. And this criterion is the dedication of the book to the sponsor! Lush, flattering, on the title page! Here I would be humiliated and at the same time pompously thank the duke attached to the place of residence just for the fact that he exists, if he had not paid the exorbitant cost of publication!
                1. +3
                  30 July 2023 19: 40
                  insists on chickens

                  I don’t insist on chickens, I just select prices that are close in time. Tuition at the university - 2 pounds for three years. And for 4 pounds you could wipe your pants for 10 years.
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                  30 July 2023 19: 47
                  Dear Lyudmila Yakovlevna! You, once again, are trying to talk about a topic in which you don’t understand anything (I’m talking about medieval loot), moreover, you are trying to express thoughts about historical psychology (in which few people understand at all), conducting a comparative analysis with modernity and personal experience.
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                    30 July 2023 20: 07
                    Yes, I argue, climbing a modern bell tower (skyscraper) - well, I didn’t live then! And if you expand your understanding of the Middle Ages, then try not to write gratitude to the overlord of the district, even if you published a book with your own money. The surrounding people will consider it the height of indecency and will hastily step aside, and somehow deftly infringe the overlord with the help of a wide range of means.
                    Could be? Could! So I do not insist on the proposed method.
                    But counting shillings is also not so hot.
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                      30 July 2023 20: 16
                      Yes, I argue, climbing a modern bell tower (skyscraper) - well, I didn’t live then! And if you expand your understanding of the Middle Ages, then try not to write gratitude to the overlord of the district, even if you published a book with your own money.

                      This is called anachronism. You extrapolate modern local customs in the Middle Ages.
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                        30 July 2023 20: 59
                        . You extrapolate modern local customs in the Middle Ages.

                        Thanks Captain Obvious wassat )))
                        I believe that in the Middle Ages there were people who reasoned the way we reason, and among us there are those who actively practice the Middle Ages.
                        As for me, I heard a lot about those centuries. I believe that even then there were people for whom the spectacle of public torture and the subsequent execution was not an object of greedy, attractive delight.
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                        30 July 2023 21: 09
                        I believe that even then there were people for whom the spectacle of public torture and the subsequent execution was not an object of greedy, attractive delight.

                        I'm not talking about the execution. I'm talking about loyalty.
                      3. +2
                        30 July 2023 21: 40
                        not about execution. I'm talking about loyalty.

                        Trite.
                        Here is an interesting medieval custom:

                        "In the Middle Ages after the battle
                        enemies were taken to scrap." (c)
                      4. 0
                        30 July 2023 22: 17
                        Trite.

                        Banality is the underside of wisdom.
                    2. +2
                      30 July 2023 20: 21
                      But counting shillings is also not so hot.
                      Don't count in shillings. The first minted English shilling appeared about half a century after the incunabula described in the article. I can console you, the author understands medieval money even worse than you.
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                  30 July 2023 19: 59
                  Quote: depressant
                  I also derived a criterion by which it can be argued that in those days the cost of publishing a work was unbearable for the author, therefore, an unaffordable price for the average buyer. And this criterion is the dedication of the book to the sponsor

                  In principle, one can assert anything ... but this "initiation" is by no means proof:

                  - it could be a feeling deep satisfaction thanks for being a writer not poured lead in the ass generally allowed to live under the bright rule of the glorified
                  - this could be the forerunner of the current "tradition" to include the director (and not only him) in the co-authors of scientific work
                  - it could be ... yes, in general, anything)))

                  As for the chickens, they are still better (although not ideal) compared with the current time than the same Milanese shell. IMHO.
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                    30 July 2023 20: 18
                    I liked the second crossed out)))
                    But then I suddenly remembered "Andrei Rublev" by Tarkovsky, the scene where lead is poured down the throat of a monk. Weak splash of hands. As if the wings were slightly raised and fell. Horror hung in the room. I look at her, damn it. Cold.
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                      30 July 2023 20: 35
                      Quote: depressant
                      then I suddenly remembered "Andrei Rublev" by Tarkovsky, a scene where lead is poured down the throat of a monk

                      Well, thermal cryptanalysis was around long before the invention of the electric soldering iron...

                      Quote: depressant
                      I look at her, damn it. Cold

                      No need to look at the horror)))
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                        30 July 2023 20: 46
                        No need to look at the horror)))
                        It doesn’t work, especially in St. Petersburg ...
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                        30 July 2023 20: 49
                        Quote: 3x3zsave
                        It doesn’t work, especially in St. Petersburg ...

                        Welcome.

                        What is so terrible in St. Petersburg that is not, for example, in Moscow? It just got interesting...
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    31 July 2023 16: 50
    and the first printed books appeared, which were called incunabula.
    ,,,,,,,
    I still thought the incunabula was a scroll. I had to go to the wiki.
    Shame on you