Visiting the armored cruiser "Gromoboy" in the port of Cherbourg in 1906

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Visiting the armored cruiser "Gromoboy" in the port of Cherbourg in 1906
Armored cruiser "Gromoboy".


In April 1906, the Russian armored cruiser Gromoboy arrived in the French port of Cherbourg. Among the visitors was the lieutenant de vaisseau of the French fleet A. de Perrinel-Dume, he was given the opportunity not only to inspect the ship, but also to talk with the senior officer of the cruiser, captain of the second rank A.P. Dyachkov, artillery officer, senior lieutenant Ya. Cherkasov and other officers. Perhaps some of the data provided by A. de Perrinel-Dume may raise doubts, but I think this should be treated with understanding.



During the battle on August 14, 1904, shells of various calibers hit the cruiser, approximately 30 shells. Those parts of the chimneys and superstructures that were not replaced were covered with small dents from fragments, one of the chimneys was replaced, as it was damaged by a large-caliber projectile.


The supply of ammunition had weak protection, but hits during the battle did not affect its functioning. A fairly large amount of plating at the stern of the cruiser was replaced. The wooden deck, resting on steel sheet, never caught fire, its surface was still covered in abrasions, resembling "wet cat skin". It should be noted that the armor withstood all hits and was not pierced.

Losses amounted to 135 people killed, most of the dead and wounded were on the upper deck. There were also wounded and killed in the armored cabin, one of the shells hit the ventilation pipe located behind the armored cabin.


Part of the fragments hit the vertical wall of the armored cabin. These fragments, flying up, met with a strongly protruding roof, which had a mushroom shape. They ricocheted off this curved surface into the armored cabin. Another part of the fragments, reflected from the vertical wall, hit the armored traverse that covered the entrance, ricocheting, they also got inside the armored cabin, hitting all the officers and sailors who were there. The spread of fragments is shown in Figure No. 1.


According to the results of the battle in the Vladivostok Arsenal, an external armored ledge was installed on the armored cabin (marked in blue in Figure No. 2). The entire surface of the ceiling of the armored cabin, the inside of the traverse in front of the entrance and the armored ledge were sheathed with cork mattresses and a thick layer of fabric (marked in red). This protection, according to the officers, well delays fragments of Japanese shells.


All cruiser control devices are concentrated in the cruiser's armored cabin. Fire control devices are located on both sides of the armored cabin, one group of devices is designed to work with starboard artillery, the other - on the left side.

The group of instruments consists of five dials, two of which continuously show the distance measured by two rangefinders installed on the cruiser. One dial serves to set and transmit deflection for all the artillery of this side, two more are designed to transmit the distance to two artillery sections of this side. All devices are mounted on racks and do not touch the walls of the armored cabin. A rangefinder is also installed in the armored cabin, which is used by an artillery officer.

Drawing of an armored cabin.

Apparently, on the armored cruiser "Gromoboy" in 1906, all the artillery of one side was divided into two sections. Unfortunately, A. de Perrinel-Dume does not indicate which guns were included in one section.

The cruiser has two rangefinders. They are installed in a cylindrical tower open at the top. The calculation of the rangefinder post consists of two people. Inside the tower is sheathed with cork mattresses, which creates additional protection for the calculation. The rangefinder is controlled by a lever attached to it, while the rangefinder can also measure the distance in case of a roll. There is also a mouthpiece with which he can transmit data by voice. In addition, the assistant transmits this distance to the conning tower using an electric dial.


The artillery officer, senior lieutenant Cherkasov, explained how the shooting was carried out and how he corrected his fire. At long distances of 7–000 meters, the distance measurement error can be up to 8 meters. He takes the average of two distances and fires one, two or three shots. Observing the impact points of projectiles allows him to more or less appreciate the corrections that need to be made for range and deflection.

After making adjustments, one or two volleys of six guns are fired, volley fire allows him to make additional adjustments. Then he gives this correction to all artillery that can hit the target, and commands to open fire. He continues to watch the drop points, and if the shooting becomes inaccurate, he ceases fire, sets a new distance and a new correction, and again orders to open fire.

Together with senior lieutenant Cherkasov, we examined the casemates installed on the deck for 152-mm guns. These casemates are set in the shape of a horseshoe; the remaining free space between the casemates and chimneys is closed during the battle with a curtain consisting of bags filled with cork, with chains or steel cables hung on them.


Baron Cherkasov said that during the ongoing battles, people suffered greatly from thirst in the casemates, so fountains were installed so that people could drink without leaving their combat post.

On the issue of what happened in the Tsushima battle, captain of the second rank A.P. Dyachkov believes that the Tsushima disaster would not have happened if the flagship battleship "Prince Suvorov" (and with it Admiral Z.P. Rozhestvinsky) had not been put out of action through twenty minutes after the start of the battle. This is what paralyzed the Russian squadron and deprived it of the ability to fully maneuver and fight. He also noted that the Russian gunners fired well at a distance of up to 5 meters, they could not fire effectively at a greater distance.

Cruiser officers said that it was important for a warship to have a conning tower large enough and well-equipped to effectively protect officers, sailors, communications and control devices from shell fragments during battle. Devices and equipment should not be attached to the walls of the conning tower. They believe that a warship should have a second conning tower aft. It is necessary to reduce the number of superstructures to a minimum in order to reduce the possibility of hitting high-explosive shells.

After parking, the armored cruiser Gromoboy left the port of Cherbourg.

Cherbourg, 5 May 1906.
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  1. +18
    16 July 2023 05: 08
    Perhaps some of the data provided by A. de Perrinel-Dume may raise doubts, but I think this should be treated with understanding.

    If there are some inaccuracies, then they are more than compensated by interesting specific details, such as the presence on the Thunderbolt of two rangefinders, which were brought by a French officer. And the diagrams are very informative.
    Thanks, Igor, for the article!
    Yes, but what about "Russia" and "Bogatyr" in the source there is no mention? Melnikov writes that all three cruisers went together.
    1. +14
      16 July 2023 08: 52
      I join the kind words about the work of the Author!
      For me personally, a very informative and informative article !!!
      1. +6
        16 July 2023 11: 33
        Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
        I join the kind words about the work of the Author!
        For me personally, a very informative and informative article !!!

        Good afternoon, Vlad! hi
        Absolutely agree with you! BIG thanks to the author for a wonderful article!
      2. +3
        17 July 2023 11: 58
        who else would write an article about the cruiser Rurik (2nd) - this ship would still be relevant now
    2. +14
      16 July 2023 09: 00
      Thanks a lot for the article. She is a fresh sip on VO against the background of the material that is published in our difficult time. History is now relegated far into the background. And this is wrong. It is because of the failure to assimilate the lessons of the past, the wrong conclusions from its lessons, that we have the current situation. Alas... crying
      Was in the Naval Museum in St. Petersburg. There is a stand there, which displays fragments of Japanese shells, taken from the bodies of Russian sailors. What struck me was that they have a bizarre shape, similar in shape to certain "hedgehogs", "stars", etc., and do not at all resemble those numerous fragments that, in many, we found in childhood, after WWII. I don't understand why they are like this - why such a difference? This is most likely due to the peculiarities of the material of the shells of Japanese shells, their design, as well as the high detonation velocity of the Japanese explosive, created on the basis of melinite-picric acid - "shimose". In general, there is very little material and research, specifically on shells, both ours and Japanese. And also, according to the explosives themselves used there - their brisance in different volumes, the features of crushing shells in different forms of filling, etc., fuses - their design of operation efficiency, etc. And there is practically no data on gunpowder, etc. The Japanese, in their literature, there is something on this subject, but alas, many books are not even translated into English. hi
    3. +13
      16 July 2023 10: 22
      Quote: Comrade
      like the presence on the "Gromoboy" of two rangefinders, which were brought by a French officer


      Good afternoon.
      Dear Valentin. According to A. de Perrinel-Dume, rangefinders with a base of two meters were installed at the posts, the type unfortunately does not indicate, there were also two more rangefinders with a base of one meter in the armored cabin, one for each side, one is shown in the figure armored cabin. A. de Perrinel-Dume designates them as "jumelle stéréoscopique", although together with J. Cherkasov they determined the distance to the object on the shore. Apparently the main purpose of these "jumelle stéréoscopique" was to observe the points of impact of shells and adjust the shooting.

      Yes, but what about "Russia" and "Bogatyr" in the source there is no mention?


      No, the notes only describe the armored cruiser "Gromoboy".
      1. +1
        17 July 2023 01: 14
        Hello dear Igor!
        Quote: 27091965i
        According to A. de Perrinel-Dume, rangefinders with a base of two meters were installed at the posts, unfortunately the type is not indicated

        This base fits B&S, an early rangefinder FQ2. Although it is possible that there were German rangefinders.

        Quote: 27091965i
        also in the armored cabin there were two more rangefinders with a base of one meter, one for each side, one is shown in the figure of the armored cabin.

        Judging by the database, these rangefinders were used for navigation.
    4. +3
      16 July 2023 21: 44
      What surprises you? According to the state, all ships of the 1st rank had an optical rangefinder, a combining type, "Barra and Stroda".
      1. +6
        17 July 2023 01: 20
        Quote: TermNachTER
        What surprises you? According to the state, all ships of the 1st rank had an optical rangefinder, a combining type, "Barra and Stroda".

        Vladivostok cruisers did not have B&S rangefinders during the Russo-Japanese War.
  2. +10
    16 July 2023 06: 11
    Thanks for the interesting article!

    "This protection, according to the officers, is good at holding up fragments of Japanese shells."
    Did Japanese shells have unusual properties, or is this the phrase "on the topic of the day"?
    1. +15
      16 July 2023 07: 57
      Quote from Fangaro
      Did Japanese shells have unusual properties, or is this the phrase "on the topic of the day"?


      No, this is not "on the topic of the day." Cruiser officers said that Japanese high-explosive shells, when exploded, formed a large number of small fragments. Protection from cork mattresses or bags stuffed with cork was effective against them.
      1. +20
        16 July 2023 09: 10
        Quite rightly. According to the participant in the battle, the deck of the Thunderbolt
        “was littered with the bodies of servants of small artillery, which ... was swept away by ... two or three exploding ... shells: Japanese shells, with sensitive tubes, when burst gave hundreds of small fragments, which, like a machine gun bullet jet, did not leave a live unscratched side, touching, of course, along the path of those people who stood at the guns on the upper deck. And when the command “get away from small guns” swept through the cruiser, and the survivors appeared at the dressing station, there were only half of them ... "
        And the ship survived largely thanks to the feat of the Pole Stefan Pavlovich Wadovitsky (from the town of Wadowice), who took the surname of his stepfather Formanchuk and, by the will of fate, became the Russian Stepan Formanchuk.
        Being a ship's mechanic, he jumped overboard and put a band-aid on a hole below the waterline. He was awarded the St. George Cross for his feat, personal nobility, the right to receive an officer rank and an increase in salary. After that, he became a senior ship mechanic, a machine quartermaster of the 1st article. I join in the words of gratitude for the reminder of the fate of the glorious ship of the Russian fleet.
        1. +12
          16 July 2023 11: 28
          Sailor-Hero, there are no words. Thanks to you and the Author - articles of this level are rare today, unfortunately
        2. +3
          18 July 2023 10: 40
          cruiser Ave. Diana "Aurora" after the battle of Tsushima, see damage
          critical only 7 hits incl. 1 with a stretch for the ears
      2. +7
        16 July 2023 11: 25
        Quote: 27091965i
        Protection from cork mattresses or bags stuffed with cork was effective against them.


        They just took what was at hand. Although, having thought over this point, the factory would have initially made wall and ceiling cladding from beams with fire-retardant impregnation and watering from pipeline nozzles. A thick tree catches splinters even better - in sawmills, trunks with ingrown splinters are a common thing.
        1. Alf
          +5
          16 July 2023 22: 01
          Quote: ycuce234-san
          Although, having thought over this point, the factory would have initially made wall and ceiling cladding from beams with fire-retardant impregnation and watering from pipeline nozzles.

          It would be nice, yes, it would be nice ... That's just all this after-knowledge ... The inertia of thinking is a great thing. It seemed that it was already clear, it was clear that the cruiser should be a tower, but again the casemates ..
  3. +12
    16 July 2023 06: 52
    thanks to the author for an interesting article. On my own behalf, I would like to add that on the liveJurnal.com website there is an article entitled "The Life and Death of the Thunderbolt" with dozens of photos illustrating the cruiser before the battle and the damage received during the battle, which is described in the article. There are also photos inside the conning tower before the battle, so that one can imagine the fate of those who took an avalanche of fragments in a close cabin, according to the scheme of the author of the article.
    I also want to note that at that time the Thunderbolt was then commanded by the captain of the first rank Brusilov, the brother of General Brusilov, known as the organizer of the Brusilov breakthrough.
    1. +10
      16 July 2023 07: 59
      Quote: north 2
      "The life and death of the Thunderbolt with dozens of photos illustrating the cruiser before the battle and the damage received during the battle,


      There are a lot of photos, but it is impossible to use everything in a small review.
  4. +9
    16 July 2023 08: 50
    Very interesting, but...
    artillery officer senior Lieutenant Y. Cherkasov

    In 1906, the RIF did not have the rank (rank) "senior lieutenant", it appeared only in 1912. In the period from 1907 to 1912, he was called a captain-lieutenant, and before that, a captain of the second rank immediately followed the lieutenant.
    1. +12
      16 July 2023 09: 54
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      In 1906, the RIF did not have the rank (rank) "senior lieutenant"

      Good afternoon.
      Dear Ivan, I know that at that time this rank did not exist, but if you use French terminology, you would have to use the rank of lieutenant commander, but it also did not exist. Therefore, I had to choose from two titles that did not exist at that time.
      1. +7
        16 July 2023 11: 48
        Yes, in general, I do not complain)))
        It is clear that it came from a French source, and to this same de Parinnel, whatever he is, our ranks, as they say, don’t care. request
        Just a little clarification. hi
    2. Alf
      +3
      16 July 2023 22: 02
      Quote: Senior Sailor
      Very interesting, but...
      artillery officer senior Lieutenant Y. Cherkasov

      In 1906, the RIF did not have the rank (rank) "senior lieutenant", it appeared only in 1912. In the period from 1907 to 1912, he was called a captain-lieutenant, and before that, a captain of the second rank immediately followed the lieutenant.

      And cap three?
      1. +2
        17 July 2023 09: 27
        It wasn’t, until the seventh year in the RIF there were only two chief officer ranks: midshipman, one clearance, one star and lieutenant, one clearance, three stars. Then immediately there was a cap two, two gaps, three stars and a cap one, two gaps without stars.
        In the seventh they introduced a terrible smile lieutenant, one clearance, no stars.
        In general, the confusion in this matter was great, because, in the presence of such a small number of ranks, the length of service in the rank, the notorious seniority, was of great importance.
        PS I was not too lazy, I looked. But in fact, a drop was introduced from time to time, although in the literature I personally did not meet references to this rank at the beginning of the twentieth century.
      2. +3
        17 July 2023 15: 35
        Quote: Alf
        And cap three?

        And there was no captain of the third rank in the Petrovsky report card at all request
        1. Alf
          +1
          17 July 2023 17: 20
          Quote: Senior Sailor
          Quote: Alf
          And cap three?

          And there was no captain of the third rank in the Petrovsky report card at all request

          And when did he appear?
          1. +1
            27 July 2023 13: 46
            Quote: Alf
            And when did he appear?

            Under Soviet rule.
            1. Alf
              0
              27 July 2023 18: 41
              Quote: Senior Sailor
              Quote: Alf
              And when did he appear?

              Under Soviet rule.

              Thank you, I didn’t.
        2. +1
          17 July 2023 17: 49
          In the table of ranks of 1722, in the eighth grade. Cap three.
  5. +9
    16 July 2023 10: 07
    WIKI:
    Losses in personnel - 91 killed and 185 wounded, among the dead - junior navigation officer midshipman S.S. Gusevich.
    recourse
    August 3 "Russia" and "Gromoboy" returned to Vladivostok. On the cruisers, 5 officers were killed and 12 wounded, killed 124 and wounded 347 lower ranks.
    recourse
    Losses amounted to 135 people killed, the bulk of the dead and wounded were on the upper deck.
    French French... fool Him about two, and he about one. request
  6. +7
    16 July 2023 12: 37
    Thanks Igor for the article.

    On the issue of what happened in the Tsushima battle, captain of the second rank A.P. Dyachkov believes that the Tsushima disaster would not have happened if the flagship battleship "Prince Suvorov" (and with it Admiral Z.P. Rozhestvinsky) had not been put out of action through twenty minutes after the start of the battle.

    Oh, Dyachkov didn't know much. smile

    It is interesting that the French do not make a general conclusion about the cruiser - they did not have modern cruisers of this type (with casemates instead of towers).
    1. +7
      16 July 2023 12: 44
      Good afternoon.
      Quote: Maxim G
      Oh, Dyachkov didn't know much.

      Max, everyone has their own opinion. I don't think it can be judged too harshly. All the same, the Almaz cruiser, on which he served, reached Vladivostok.
      1. +4
        16 July 2023 13: 22
        Tell me, Russian sailors probably visited French ships, it would be interesting to know our opinion, especially since the French had battleships and cruisers on the basis of which ships were created for our fleet?

        Quote: 27091965i
        All the same, the Almaz cruiser, on which he served, reached Vladivostok.

        Abandoning their armadillos.
        1. +5
          16 July 2023 14: 07
          Quote: Maxim G
          Tell me, Russian sailors probably visited French ships, it would be interesting to know our opinion, especially since the French had battleships and cruisers on the basis of which ships were created for our fleet?

          The French published such opinions, in my opinion I wrote to you how they evaluated our "Peresvets", but if a technical assessment is interesting, then this is A. CRONEAU. He has publications where a technical comparison of various warships from different countries is made. But these are his views, not everyone agrees with him, although he is a shipbuilding engineer.
        2. +12
          16 July 2023 16: 15
          Abandoning their armadillos.

          Actually, Almaz was following orders. Can you imagine how Almaz, a messenger ship, actually built as a governor’s yacht, and with a big stretch considered a cruiser of the 2nd rank (after re-equipment in Vladivostok), could help the remaining battleships with its four three-inch ones? At best, add to the number of trophies? In fact, he was the only one who fulfilled the last order received and came to Vladivostok.
          1. +2
            16 July 2023 16: 31
            Quote: Oleg812spb
            Actually, Almaz was following orders.

            The order was to go to Vladivostok and the commander is now Nebogatov.
            But Enquist, Almaz and the destroyers decided, well, him ...

            Quote: Oleg812spb
            Can you imagine how the "Almaz", a messenger ship, actually built as a governor's yacht, and with a big stretch considered a cruiser of the 2nd rank (after re-equipment in Vladivostok), could help the remaining battleships with its four three-inch ones?

            I represent. You are not. sad
            1. +5
              16 July 2023 17: 30
              [/quote][quote=Maxim G]
              I represent. You are not. sad

              So explain your point of view to Kamrad.
              1. +6
                16 July 2023 18: 47
                1. On the evening of May 14, command was transferred to Nebogatov, respectively, without his permission, the ships could not leave the ranks.
                2. Cruisers and destroyers could help fight off Japanese destroyers at night.
                3. In the morning, cruisers, including Almaz, could conduct reconnaissance, be rehearsal ships, and help collect the scattered remnants of the squadron.
                1. +4
                  16 July 2023 20: 51
                  Quote: Maxim G
                  1. On the evening of May 14, command was transferred to Nebogatov, respectively, without his permission, the ships could not leave the ranks.

                  Nobody argues with that.

                  2. Cruisers and destroyers could help fight off Japanese destroyers at night.

                  The key word is if everyone stayed with the squadrons. One Diamond would not solve anything. At best, he exchanged one unit from the squadron at night.

                  3. In the morning, cruisers, including Almaz, could conduct reconnaissance, be rehearsal ships, and help collect the scattered remnants of the squadron.

                  Again, the fifth - “would”. Nebogatov, having the Emerald and auxiliary cruisers, did not take advantage of this opportunity. Why did the presence of Almaz in the squadrons give him "insights"?
                  Even if all the cruisers remained with the battleships. Instead of the main units, we would lose half of them. Yes, it would strengthen us in the battle on the second day. But we didn't win. However, defeat would be much more worthy than what happened ....
                  1. 0
                    17 July 2023 05: 21
                    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
                    Nebogatov, having the Emerald and auxiliary cruisers, did not take advantage of this opportunity.

                    And what auxiliary cruisers did Nebogatov have on the morning of May 15?
                2. +7
                  17 July 2023 08: 58
                  Quote: Maxim G
                  1. On the evening of May 14, command was transferred to Nebogatov, respectively, without his permission, the ships could not leave the ranks.

                  Yes. And now we remember where the place of "Almaz" was in this very formation. With armadillos? Yes, nothing happened. With the transports was his place, and Enquist's cruisers
                  Quote: Maxim G
                  2. Cruisers and destroyers could help fight off Japanese destroyers at night.

                  This is what you are saying now. But in VS it doesn't work that way. In order for Almaz to go to cover the battleships, Nebogatov's order was needed. But it did not happen, so Almaz continued to carry out the last order it received.
                  And then - the usual confusion. It seemed to the commander that our battleships were turning to approach the cruisers. When Enquist turned south, Almaz was about to follow him, but fell behind, and was left alone - just then the shooting began in the wrong direction. It dawned on the commander that the cruisers were leaving the battlefield, and that he had lost his place, and, judging by the chaotic movement of transports, there was no longer any place. So he carried out the second order - to go to Vladivostok.
                  At the same time, judging by the reports of his officers, he went to the armadillos, going to the right side of the column, trying not to meddle under their searchlights (which, in principle, is logical - they could slap at night without understanding) and went NO23. That is, here you can’t immediately say whether Almaz abandoned the squadron or not.
                  1. +1
                    18 July 2023 18: 52
                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    Yes. And now we remember where the place of "Almaz" was in this very formation. With armadillos? Yes, nothing happened. With the transports was his place, and Enquist's cruisers

                    Why with Enquist cruisers? winked

                    Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
                    This is what you are saying now. But in VS it doesn't work that way. In order for Almaz to go to cover the battleships, Nebogatov's order was needed.

                    Well, what do the documents tell us about this? wink
            2. +4
              16 July 2023 23: 01
              I represent. You are not. sad

              I think your idea is based on the so-called. "afterknowledge" under an almost unbelievable set of circumstances.
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        4. +6
          16 July 2023 17: 28
          "Diamond" so drop dead helped the battleships in the daytime battle that after he abandoned these battleships, they had to surrender the next day. laughing laughing wassat
      2. +5
        16 July 2023 15: 55
        Quote: 27091965i
        Good afternoon.
        Quote: Maxim G
        Oh, Dyachkov didn't know much.

        Max, everyone has their own opinion. I don't think it can be judged too harshly. All the same, the Almaz cruiser, on which he served, reached Vladivostok.

        In fact, Almaz went to Vladik, leaving the squadron. However, it is difficult to judge him, so did almost all the cruisers and destroyers assigned to the second and third Pacific squadrons. There is no doubt that he acted competently moving near the coast of Japan. At least, unlike the Emerald, the crew did not get lost and retained the combat unit. Which served gloriously in both world wars.
        1. +7
          16 July 2023 16: 12
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          However, it is difficult to judge him, so did almost all the cruisers and destroyers assigned to the second and third Pacific squadrons.

          Strange logic, what difference does it make whether everyone did it or not (except for "Emerald").
        2. +7
          16 July 2023 16: 19
          Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
          In fact, Almaz went to Vladik, leaving the squadron. However, it is difficult to judge him, almost all cruisers and destroyers assigned to the second and third Pacific squadrons did so

          Dear Vladislav, to be honest, no one would wish to be in the place of the commander of the Almaz cruiser. The ship is very weak in combat, and there is no one to compare it with. The squadron was defeated, Admiral Enquist OA "made a wise decision" and disappeared into the night.
          But you have to decide how to proceed? I think the decision to go to Vladivostok, separately from the remnants of the squadron, was not so easily taken by the Almaz commander.
          1. +2
            16 July 2023 17: 27
            The squadron was defeated, Admiral Enquist OA "made a wise decision" and disappeared into the night.
            But you have to decide how to proceed? I think the decision to go to Vladivostok, separately from the remnants of the squadron, was not so easily taken by the Almaz commander.

            I agree with you that the decision is definitely the right one. Even if in the night battle we exchanged Almaz for any of the lost combat units, this did not work.
            If we exchanged all night losses for cruisers and destroyers, then there could be options. As a maximum, a worthy defeat during the day or even lasted until the middle of the second night.
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    2. +2
      17 July 2023 08: 44
      Quote: Maxim G
      It is interesting that the French do not make a general conclusion about the cruiser - they did not have modern cruisers of this type (with casemates instead of towers).

      The French did an assessment of these cruisers, but it must be divided into several time periods. When the Rurik armored cruiser was being built, they believed that such a cruiser would do whatever it wanted on enemy communications. The British had nothing to oppose him. After laying down the armored cruiser Jeanne d'Arc, they wrote that on such cruisers it was necessary to place the main battery guns in the towers. So that these cruisers could operate not only on communications, but also provide support to battleships in squadron combat. They considered it not rational to build armored ships that are designed to perform only one task.
      1. +2
        18 July 2023 18: 16
        Quote: 27091965i
        They considered it not rational to build armored ships that are designed to perform only one task.

        Thanks for the clarification, Igor.
  7. +10
    16 July 2023 16: 23
    Quote: Kote Pan Kokhanka
    the crew did not get lost and kept the combat unit. Which served gloriously in both world wars.
    Sorry, but how could he serve gloriously in World War II if he was dismantled at 34 ...
    “And I am the main victim of this inconsistency, because for some unknown reason I have hypersensitivity to dissonances, something like absolute pitch for falsehood and inconsistency.”©
    Quote from the book "Elegance of the Hedgehog"
    1. +7
      17 July 2023 16: 23
      Alas, apparently, the comrade forgot that he was stolen to Bizerte, where he was taken apart. Probably, it was in my memory that other yachts of early construction, Shtandart and Polar Star, served both wars quite usefully.
  8. +8
    17 July 2023 01: 00
    Quote: Maxim G
    Quote: Kote pane Kohanka
    However, it is difficult to judge him, so did almost all the cruisers and destroyers assigned to the second and third Pacific squadrons.

    Strange logic, what difference does it make whether everyone did it or not (except for "Emerald").

    ///////////////////////////////////
    The crew of the "Emerald" panicked so much, and left the ship that ran aground with such speed, that they left on board almost the entire arsenal of rifles (about 600 pieces) with cartridges ... Local residents got to the abandoned arsenal ... To the administration of Vladivostok information began to come in that many army rifles appeared among the population from nowhere. The investigation established that people found them on the abandoned cruiser "Izumrud" ... There was a detachment sent to seize the ship's arsenal, but by that time there was almost nothing left there ...