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USA: is coming "financial cliff"?

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Last week, the US central bank, better known as the Federal Reserve, adopted another “easing” program. This program differs from the previous two points. First, experts believe that it is nothing more than an attempt to compensate for the mistakes of politicians who are about to (in the coming weeks) reduce the state budget and raise taxes (on the rich). From now on, Ben Bernanke, the head of the Fed, believes that the time has come to fight the recession with our own methods and forces. Secondly, the US central bank, deciding to print and inject new multi-billion bundles of money into the economy, thereby increasing its balance: each new infusion will no longer be accompanied by a corresponding withdrawal.



But first things first.

Fed decided print and pour into the economy even by 45 billion dollars a month, thereby allegedly struggling not with a crisis, but with politicians. The declared renewed task of the Fed is to compensate for the damage from the so-called “financial cliff”, which even high school students now fear in America. The question is whether the paper regulator is enough ...

In accordance with its previous “quantitative easing” program, the Fed buys every month mortgage bonds for 40 billion. Now, in addition, the system will begin to buy Treasury bonds for 45 billion. $. Consequently, since January 85 billion dollars of freshly printed dollars will be flowing into the US economy every month.

The new program of the system is replacing the so-called “Operation Twist”. Under the old program, the Fed bought monthly short-term treasury bonds and sold long-term bonds for the same amount. The key difference between the new program: the Fed does not withdraw the same amount from the economy, and (attention) simply increases its balance sheet. And (again, attention) the extended version of the program does not have an end date. The Fed only promises to mitigate until it sees signs of a significant improvement in the labor market, i.e., a decline in unemployment in the United States.

According to the Fed's updated forecast, the unemployment rate will drop to 6-6,6% only in 2015 year. Inflation will not exceed 2,5%.

Thus, in the US, not only is the economy not expected to grow quickly, but in the fight against unemployment, the Fed is planning to unwind the inflation spiral. A very unusual decision, especially in conditions where oil can stop trading in dollars in some places (the Turks are already buying it from Iran for gold), and the Chinese promise to withdraw the yuan in key currencies. In such a risky scenario, with any jitter of the petrodollar by 2015, little will be left of the US economy. The whole trouble in Washington is that the American elite - whether it is Ben Bernanke, the Fed boss, or Obama, the country's president, or H. Clinton, the state secretary - perceives the world as static. And he, for the American misfortune, changes daily ...

Analysts are already talking about the "economic end of the world" in the United States. It is fueling the fire that the last meeting of Republican Leader John Bonaire and President Barack Obama, like the previous ones, ended in nothing. They met just about making a financial compromise.

Due to the uncertainty in the US, the global stock market is pretty shaky since the end of November. Investor Mood Analysts characterize as "moderately negative." Positions in risky assets are systematically reduced - precisely due to the increased likelihood of the fiscal cliff in the United States, more precisely, because at the moment there is no certainty about how the American president intends to prevent a "cliff". This provokes one after another wave of sales. At the same time in the United States and the real estate market falls. And the national currency is not strengthened.

Last Friday, the US dollar fell from an almost nine-month high against the yen, and the euro, on the contrary, rose to its highest level against the dollar since early May 2012. Dollar inflation was caused not only by fears of a “cliff”, but also by new measures taken Fed. Major financial indexes also dropped. Andres Garcia-Amaya, JP Morgan market strategist, says:

“Uncertainty (the result of Obama’s and Bonaire’s financial negotiations) basically holds markets hostage in the short term.”


Observer Mark Felzental traced the market reaction to the statements of Barack Obama and John Bonaire. If the first one is optimistic, then the second one, the Republican, frightens the people with gloomy forecasts. Even extremely gloomy. Just black. Thus, the markets react negatively not only to the fact that the Democrats and Republicans have not yet agreed, but also to the emotional tinge of negotiations or personal statements.

Barack Obama, campaigning in society for supporting the taxation of the rich, attends there are hot speeches at the factories and John Bonaire with a sour face continues to describe the situation as a dead end. In parallel, both politicians participate in various kinds of talk shows, where steam is released before the debate in the House of Representatives.

Markets, watching politicians, fall after Bonaire’s speeches, and recover from Obama’s statements. This pattern is repeated for several weeks.

Democrats are calling on Republicans not to accept the adoption of the law, and Republicans are pulling. There is no movement towards.

Obama bluntly declares. he is ready to sign the document, but the republican discussion participants stubbornly refuse to give up.

Bonaire responds by stating: Obama's plan to raise taxes on the rich is wrong; there is a dead end approach and even self-deception. He calls the president’s plan “the road to nowhere.”

Russian analyst Samir Shahbaz пишет:

“Until the next economic end of the world in the United States remains three weeks. If the Republicans and Democrats fail to agree during this period, the country will survive the so-called “financial cliff” (fiscal cliff). That, at least, is the situation in the American media. ”


But it’s hardly possible to talk about a catastrophe today. The same Shahbaz notes that “as long as the main currency in the world is the dollar, the world itself will not allow the bankrupt country, which has the coveted printing press.”

That is, as long as oil is being traded for petrodollars, these same dollars will have security in the form of energy resources, albeit artificial, that exists until the dollar is excluded from the world’s reserve currencies and is not replaced by, say, the yuan — which China is striving hard for, and at the last congress of the CCP, this was explicitly stated.

“Financial breakage” is not an economic collapse, but a problem with resolving the issue of the entry into force on January 1 of the list of significant changes. In the United States, almost all tax breaks will be terminated and government spending, including on the Pentagon line, will be seriously reduced.

Barack Obama is going to impose a wealthy Americans (those who earn more than 1 dollars a year) from 250.000 in January with an additional income tax - his maximum rate will be 39,6%. During the pre-election race, Mitt Romney very much objected to this, who stated that it was the rich who gave the main tax revenues. However, the economic theses of Obama enjoy the support of society. According to the latest opinion polls, more than 60% of Americans favor raising taxes on the rich.

First, a tax increase on the rich, and only then we will figure out how to live on. Such is the logic of Mr. Obama. In an interview with Bloomberg, the President of the United States said: “Let's raise taxes on people with high earnings,” and then “work out a process with a time frame and at the end of 2013, or in the fall of 2013, we will begin work on tax system reform. That is, after about a year it will be possible to think about tax cuts that have affected the rich.

Republicans also hope to create jobs in the US (however, Obama thinks about it too - it’s not for nothing that H. Clinton in the Czech Republic lobbied for Westinghouse, which will build two new units to the Temelin nuclear power plant in the country, and at the same time will create for Americans 9.000 jobs), which will at the same time increase the number of taxpayers. And the measures that the White House is now proposing will, in their opinion, be successful only in the short term: after all, the level of unemployment may rise and GDP may decline.

It is difficult to say whether Obama will achieve his goal, thinking at the same time about workplaces, about social programs, and about raising taxes on the rich. After all, there is no specifics from him.

Potomac Research Group analyst Greg Vallier is pessimistic about this declares:

"It's time to see the fall from the cliff."


Stan Collender, a budget expert, believes that one of four chances can be given - for Republicans and Democrats agreeing by January:

"It is much more likely that we fall off a cliff, and then climb on its edge - backdating, in January."


Some well-known foreign economic experts find an extremely dangerous combination of tax increases and public spending cuts, which is scheduled for January 1. For example, Martin Feldstein right declaresthat such a financial measure would reduce the budget deficit by five percent of GDP between 2012 and 2013, but despite the necessary reduction in America’s budget deficit, such a sharp reduction now, when the economy is still very weak, would be a serious mistake. (Concerning current federal budget deficitthen it is huge in the USA: 1,1 trillion dollars).

Moreover, the analyst is convinced that the Fed can do nothing to prevent an economic downturn - unless the "financial cliff" is overcome.

But how to do it?

A “cliff” can be avoided only by passing a law, that is, by approving it by both chambers of Congress and by signing by the president. But now there is a clear conflict between Republicans and Democrats because of the question of raising taxes on the rich, which seems to the expert intractable. The fact is that this is not only an economic, but also a political conflict. Indeed, despite the fact that those people who have a fairly high level of income, make up only about three percent of all taxpayers, they pay more than 40% of all taxes on personal income in America.

And even if Obama promotes his project, and the senators agree on a compromise among themselves, in the long run, US financial problems will not be resolved. According to Feldstein, the United States should slow down the increase in spending on pension programs, middle-class support programs and at the same time increase budget revenues by limiting tax expenditures as part of fundamental tax reform. And this will be only the first act of a long “fiscal play,” he writes.

As for society, it loses in any case.

The Associated Press Reviewer by Suzanne M. Schaefer says that America, having fought on different fronts for more than a decade, is now planning to cut federal spending in the areas of military medical insurance, pensions, and other areas that have been considered “untouchable” for a long time during the “deal between Congress and the White House”.

Jeremy Hilton of Burke, Virginia, who is currently caring for a disabled child while his wife gives a debt to his homeland as an air force officer, says:

“I feel the fear of the unknown, and even worse, that our family members may be left without work. We are all worried about what is about to happen ... "


US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta and General Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, have already warned the public that new financial budget decisions will have devastating consequences for all members of the armed forces: after all, the Pentagon will be forced to make cuts of billions of dollars in the shortest possible time.

Jeremy Hilton says that waiting "drives us all crazy." Earlier, Mr. Hilton (he is now 40 years old) graduated from the Air Force Academy, then moved to serve in the Navy - and gave eight years the fleet as a submariner. Then he decided to leave military service and be at home with two children, and at the same time receive a master's degree.

Obama recently said that the salary and housing of the military, who are on active military service, will not be mainly affected, if only they manage to reach an agreement and prevent a “financial cliff”. But the cut will hurt the Pentagon’s civilian staff as well as contractors.

56-year-old Mr. Brunson retired with the rank of master sergeant after 24 years in the Air Force. His wife says that military medical insurance helps them a lot now: they pay only 41 $ monthly. She adds that military insurance covers the entire surgery her husband was undergoing, a cancer patient. So far, they have spent their personal money only 100 $. But they calculated that if the new laws were passed, they would have had to lay out 99.000 $ for everything. The Obama reform will quickly make them debtors a voracious medical system.

Reducing costs and increasing taxes, which will inevitably come into effect in January 2013, will affect mainly the Ministry of Defense. This is the beginning of a ten-year reduction program that allows you to save about 500 billion. All in all, the White House wants to save 1,2 trillion $ by all sorts of cuts.

And one of the likely goals of the reduction will be the Tricare military health care system. She now provides health insurance for almost 10 to millions of active men and women who repay their debt to their homeland, military retirees, reservists and their families. Program costs have risen from $ 19 billion to $ 53 billion. This is not surprising: in recent years in the United States more and more military. In fact, they all today enjoy almost free medical care.

The last time the speaker of the House of Representatives is Mr. Bonaire saidthat has "serious disagreements" with President Barack Obama, December 12, on Wednesday last week. And this time Bonaire made an "optimistic."

“I am one of those people who say that the glass is half full. I am still the most optimistic person in this city (Washington). But we have some serious disagreements. ”


So Bonaire told reporters at a press conference.

In recent days, Obama and Mr. Bonaire have been bargaining for 600 $ billion in order to establish the final amount of tax increase and budget cuts, which should inevitably start from January 1 - otherwise America will slide into a "financial cliff".

But analysts doubt that these two are bargaining. The representative of the Republicans from Illinois, John Shimkus 12, told reporters in December that Bonaire had advised the senators to buy Christmas toys, leave Washington and not make any plans.

Along with negotiations on spending cuts and tax increases, opponents operate with fabulous amounts of upcoming revenues: Obama believes that Native America will receive about 1,4 trillion in the budget. $ new revenues in ten years, and Bonaire speaks of roughly 800 billions. But in both cases it is completely unclear how such high rates will be achieved.

At the same time, Bonaire frankly said that the Obama program would not pass through the Senate. The main objection of Bonaire and the Republicans in general is the increase in taxation of rich people, that is, those who have an annual income in excess of 250.000 dollars. In this matter, Mr. Bonaire is not going to concede.

As we can see, analysts unanimously predict the US “financial cliff” in January 2013, the fault of which is Bonaire’s intractability about Obama's attack on rich capitalists. Even some of Obama's concessions have so far not helped the course of the negotiations. At the same time, the situation in the United States is complicated by the fact that the established debt threshold is 16,4 trillion. dollars - will be passed soon. As for investors, the markets are reeling just because of the uncertainty. In addition, against the background of the new Fed events, the dollar has been slightly shaken.

Let's wait for January ...

Observed and translated by Oleg Chuvakin
- especially for topwar.ru
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 08: 18
    +14
    There will be a cliff or it will not be, it does not matter. In the world everyone already understands that they need to get rid of the dollar faster. The whole world is held hostage by the United States, but sooner or later the system will collapse and then ........... belay
    1. sv-sakh
      sv-sakh 17 December 2012 09: 40
      +2
      Europe can not not use the dollar ... guess the gold reserves of half of Europe where? :)
      1. Lord of the Sith
        Lord of the Sith 17 December 2012 13: 04
        +1
        Yes, everywhere there is a gold reserve.
        Russia has 2/3 of the gold reserves in Moscow, the rest is spread from Hong Kong to Washington.
        Germany has 1/3 in Paris, 1/3 in London and 1/3 in New York, now the American part is in trouble, the Germans are trying to take it out completely.
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 17 December 2012 09: 52
      +10
      And then what? smile
      The question is how quickly everything will happen. If everything goes according to a bad scenario - the dollar system collapses very quickly, then everyone will come around ...
      But in my opinion, the article is written correctly, the rest of the world, due to the dependence of economies on the dollar, will try in every possible way to avoid a "landslide" scenario. They will try to stretch this agony in time ...
      More or less, only those who have accumulated a significant "subcutaneous layer" in the form of gold and foreign exchange reserves will survive. And since the falling dollar will pull all other world currencies with it, the very structure of these gold and foreign exchange reserves will be important. Those who have more gold in their bins than currency will live in peace longer. It’s for nothing that Russia and China have recently been the largest buyers of gold in the world. wink
      Well this is so, briefly and superficially. smile
      In general, in nature it’s so - someone’s end will mark someone’s beginning.
      Therefore, after the dollar falls, it will be replaced by someone else's currency. Because the world is used to (and attuned to) such a system. But I think there will be no more than one dominant currency in the world. Everyone has already seen and understood what this leads to. Therefore, with the fall of the dollar, Russia (as one of the largest players in the energy sector) has a HUGE chance to make the ruble truly one of the world currencies for which gas and oil will be bought. You just need to correctly "spread the cards" in this big game. The main thing is not to miss this chance.
      1. sv-sakh
        sv-sakh 17 December 2012 10: 12
        +1
        Well, this is understandable))) I'm talking about Europe, which has nothing at all and they exist in this world by proxy.
        They themselves perfectly understand this, so they live like those jackals in the "Jungle Book" - "And we will go north! And we will go north!"
        Another question is whether our bureaucrats are smart enough not to plunge into the same cesspool as the whole world, saving their millions stolen .. This is really a question ..
        1. Fox 070
          Fox 070 17 December 2012 10: 43
          +4
          Quote: sv-sakh
          I'm talking about Europe, which has nothing at all
          1. Papakiko
            Papakiko 17 December 2012 20: 49
            +1
            Strange website unless RBC belay
            That everyone was alarmed.
            Put it .. with a lapel on this fool. This is blowing rubbish into the heads of others.
            All financial operations the Fed can do without notifying all YOU along with half the population of the planet earth. drinks
            New Years is soon.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! good
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 18 December 2012 13: 02
        0
        We must get rid of the dollar. Only gradually. At least there is a tendency towards this. And the pole of the economy from the United States is shifting to Southeast Asia.
    3. Cavas
      Cavas 17 December 2012 10: 03
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      .USA the whole world is held hostage, but sooner or later the system will collapse and then ...........

      Honduras must be destroyed! am
      Amers themselves will no longer care, but everyone else is pleased.


      1. mda
        mda 17 December 2012 20: 05
        +1
        Quote: Cavas
        Amers themselves will no longer care, but everyone else is pleased.

        Again you threw ...
    4. donchepano
      donchepano 17 December 2012 10: 39
      +1
      that's for sure.
      It is not clear why so far this green toilet paper has circulation in our country?
      soap bubbles like all financial obdurilovanie derivatives futures promissory notes securities.
      Crime - circulation of foreign currency and, in particular, the Fed dollar in Russia
      1. alexng
        alexng 17 December 2012 11: 57
        +4
        The crime is the usurious policy of banks, imposed by the West on the whole world, i.e. bank fraud legalized at the state level.
      2. vyatom
        vyatom 18 December 2012 13: 04
        0
        I use rubles everywhere. And on vacation - the euro.
    5. Botanologist
      Botanologist 17 December 2012 14: 09
      +1
      When such a heap of e.r.r.m.a flops off a cliff, there will be a lot of spray. It is advisable to observe this aside, and not to grab support for dollars, as our fellow liberal economists like.
  2. botur2013
    botur2013 17 December 2012 08: 34
    +10
    It looks like dying convulsions. And the diagnosis is acute poisoning with dermocracy.
    1. Dinver
      Dinver 17 December 2012 11: 38
      +1
      It’s unhygienic to use 1-dollar bills on the photo account because they are the most used and can carry a lot of different infections, it’s better to use banknotes in denominations of 500 and 1000 laughing
      1. mda
        mda 17 December 2012 20: 07
        0
        Quote: Dinver
        It’s unhygienic to use 1-dollar bills on the photo account because they are the most used and can carry a lot of different infections, it’s better to use banknotes in denominations of 500 and 1000

        And it's better not to touch the bucks at all!
  3. Bykov.
    Bykov. 17 December 2012 08: 41
    +7
    (... The Fed decided to print and inject another $ 45 billion per month into the economy ...)
    It seems that it is not economists and financiers who are fighting the crisis in the United States, but printers and printers.
    1. Nymp
      Nymp 17 December 2012 08: 59
      +3
      Quote: Bulls.
      It seems that it is not economists and financiers who are fighting the crisis in the United States, but printers and printers.
      So it’s hard for us to make their loved ones live more modestly, it’s easier to start the machine and extend the sweet moments. Let them print anything, quickly bake it!
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 17 December 2012 10: 44
        0
        Quote: Nymp
        So it’s hard for us to make their loved ones live more modestly, it’s easier to start the machine

        I agree. "Tops", for example, are enough, at least they don't really complain, but "bottom". "Bottoms" - gundyat - you want more and more ..
        In general, revolutionary moods are ripening, so they are printing so that it does not plummet, at least so that it does not plummet now.
    2. Hammer
      Hammer 17 December 2012 09: 55
      +2
      So when you consider that the Fed is not a state structure, but a private company - why be surprised. wink
      1. Bykov.
        Bykov. 17 December 2012 10: 59
        +2
        Quote: Hammer
        So when you consider that the Fed is not a state structure, but a private company - why be surprised.

        Owns 100 percent of shares, USA.
        And they, we are still being blamed by the oligarchy.
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 17 December 2012 08: 49
    +2
    Agony and convulsions of the dollar such that many countries will be covered with a copper basin, unless URGENT measures are taken to vaccinate themselves. It’s a pity that I don’t know the right recipe.
    1. mda
      mda 17 December 2012 20: 25
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      The agony and convulsions of the dollar are such that many countries will be covered with a copper basin, unless they urgently take measures for their vaccination. It’s a pity that I don’t know the right recipe.

      First of all, it is necessary to reduce investments in American securities. After Kudrin’s resignation, the amount invested in American securities fell by half in just a year. But China slightly increased. Something like this.
    2. aybolyt678
      aybolyt678 5 December 2016 11: 35
      0
      and you imagine that in a moment money will disappear in the world ... Of course, they will reappear, only those who have the means of production, and the resources who have these things, are always on horseback. Bankers will be later
  5. Aleshty
    Aleshty 17 December 2012 08: 51
    +9
    When the dollar collapses, what will VTB require the payment of a dollar mortgage? winked
    The death of the dollar should not be quick, but painful, until I repay the loan. angry

    I liked the article:
    “So, at least, the American media portray the situation.”


    The American media is painting a situation! As they wish, they draw.
    On DAILYMEDIA an interesting article on this topic.
    http://digitalmetro.us/2012/12/16/cnn-prestupnaya-organizaciya/
    1. DDT_1976
      DDT_1976 17 December 2012 10: 07
      0
      +1, comrade!
  6. Gregazov
    Gregazov 17 December 2012 08: 53
    +3
    The Fed will print the money, and inflation will be spread over every dollar holder. Lucky only a few who have taken a loan in US monetary units. The truth is not lucky for everyone else because our gold - foreign exchange reserves are very dependent on this currency. We will pay USA debts from our salaries.
  7. Nymp
    Nymp 17 December 2012 08: 54
    +2
    "cut federal spending on military health insurance, pensions and other areas that have long been considered untouchable." Here he is a pebble from the mountain, and then there will be an avalanche. Getting the Yusov to tighten their belts is not an easy thing, and if they cut the social program themselves, then the ass is hot! Nothing wanting to lick amer's ass, for now, there are so many!
  8. reading
    reading 17 December 2012 08: 54
    +5
    The states need to "reset" the situation. For this, war is very suitable. So, we are slowly moving towards the next "fight for peace." Only aliens will help us. The prime minister has already seen them (just kidding).
  9. vorobey
    vorobey 17 December 2012 09: 00
    +6
    Good day to all.

    Quote
    Republicans are hoping for job creation in the United States.

    Interesting and how. But the hardworking Americans themselves who are accustomed to living on benefits do not know that they are going to accustom them to work? And what places to create if the basis of GDP is the service sector?

    In short, we observe the gentlemen of the patient.

    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 17 December 2012 14: 17
      0
      And the hardworking Americans themselves, who are used to living on benefits, are not aware that they are going to accustom them to work

      Sparrow, you greatly belittle the bulk of the white population of America. There is a lot of DEM there, it’s true, but in general in America the sweatshop system has been and remains. People is working. So let's really assess the situation, without unnecessary illusions.

      As for the creation of new jobs, Leontyev had a couple of articles where he considers the option of developing shale technologies. For all their worthless years, 15-20 has enough stocks. During this time, industry can be pulled from the PRC. After all, in the USA, not all in the government morons understand us worse than they do where they fly.
      So we buy popcorn and watch the drama with elements of the action "Cliff in America".
  10. baltika-18
    baltika-18 17 December 2012 09: 20
    +3
    85 billion dollars a month is not sickly. Inflation is 2,5%. So all the main ones will be passed on to us and our kind, given that all world prices are in dollars. Not a weak fraud started. It is interesting how it all ends.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 09: 29
      +5
      Quote: baltika-18
      .I wonder how it all ends.

      Warrior hi
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 17 December 2012 09: 43
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Warrior


        let at least the end of the world survive for a start.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 09: 51
          +4
          Quote: vorobey
          let at least the end of the world survive for a start

          The cost of a ticket to the bunker on December 21 in Moscow is 500 thousand, children have free admission. Dollars do not accept, or rather, they don’t accept everywhere hi
        2. Armata
          Armata 17 December 2012 10: 03
          +5
          Quote: vorobey
          let at least the end of the world survive for a start
          Hi Sanya. If the dollar collapses, why are you not the end of the world for America? By the way, Maya is also from those parts.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 10: 13
            +6
            Quote: Mechanic
            If the dollar collapses, why are you not the end of the world for America?

            People vodka vodka, here Apollo is preparing for 21, or rather already prepared laughing So for the USA the end of the world, and in Russia button accordions will tear laughing
          2. vorobey
            vorobey 17 December 2012 10: 18
            +7
            Quote: Mechanic
            By the way, Maya is also from those parts


            Hi Zhenya. Here’s the answer. The people of Cortez simply lifted the calendar compiler, who managed to calculate everything only until December 21.
            1. Armata
              Armata 17 December 2012 10: 37
              +4
              Quote: vorobey
              Here’s the answer. The people of Cortes simply upturned the calendar compiler, who managed to calculate everything only until December 21.
              Aha laughing And if you take into account that they found a new, extended one, it turns out that he was the first option to fend off the conquistadors laughing And you are all a dollar, a dollar. Sanya, what difference does it personally collapse for you or not? I don’t care, I have everything in real estate and in rubles. By the way, it’s profitable in rubles. After the end of the world, they can even heat the stove, but master cards and visas (and rumored to be plastic dollars right now) how will they be heated?
            2. Simple
              Simple 17 December 2012 12: 25
              0
              Quote: vorobey

              "The people of Cortez just pulled up the calendar compiler, who managed to calculate everything until December 21st."


              more precisely, the people of Cortez "tried" so that no one knew the continuation
              fairy tales.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 December 2012 10: 44
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Warrior

        If only for us.
        1. Armata
          Armata 17 December 2012 10: 49
          +3
          Quote: baltika-18
          If only for us.
          Greetings, Nikolay. And how do you imagine that a country in which problems with finances rushed to the same largest country? I think that it will be either Iran or Korea. Russia, for all our awful position, they can not pull.
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 17 December 2012 14: 22
            0
            Korea? Yes, nafig who needs it. It's like driving a louse on a hairbrush - there is a lot of cod, zero sense.
            Good prey is just Iran, Africa and Asia. Countries without nuclear weapons, rich, with resources - there is something to fight for.
  11. Roman A
    Roman A 17 December 2012 09: 34
    +2
    But what about democracy without money, how are Libya, Syria, Egypt, and they lost their minds? How will the experience live? Democrats must also pay a tax to the US bank tongue
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 10: 16
      0
      Quote: Roman A
      what about Libya Syria Egypt

      American women bring radical Muslims to power in these countries. When they deal with Iran (so in their plans, of course angry ) they, even the unsinkable aircraft carrier in the Arab desert, Israel will no longer need, the region will turn into a single zone of instability, turned by a sting towards Russia and, indirectly, China. This is then the United States and will be able to move 70% of the military to the Pacific region to talk by 2030 year with China, on equal terms am
      1. Roman A
        Roman A 17 December 2012 10: 22
        +1
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        China. Then the United States will be able to move 70% of the military forces in the Pacific region to talk by 2030 with China, on equal terms

        If the money runs out they’ll move the hell, and if the experience will pay for democracy, they will make a hell of a revolution
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 10: 41
          +2
          Quote: Roman A
          If the money runs out of horseradish

          Alexey, do not forget about the "developed" US printing industry! wassat
          1. Roman A
            Roman A 17 December 2012 11: 03
            0
            If the dollar will not be needed, printing will not help Teska
            1. Thunderbolt
              Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 11: 21
              +1
              But will it be bad for us? For me, the world will not collapse. I do not play on the exchange
              1. Roman A
                Roman A 17 December 2012 15: 22
                0
                Maybe a little squeeze someone but worse than in the 90s will not
                1. Bashkaus
                  Bashkaus 17 December 2012 19: 25
                  +1
                  I don’t know how about the 90s, but my grandmother survived the blockade, my grandfather Sevastopol defended. Well, our generation will somehow cope
  12. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 09: 38
    +2
    Trillions, trillions are, of course, mega-galactic figures. The financial break will not stop the recession, it will only slow down the rate of decline. There is an expression that is not devoid of meaning - "war will write off everything."
  13. ka5280
    ka5280 17 December 2012 09: 42
    0
    Ja sebe dazhe ne predstavljaju, chto budet, esli baks umret belay
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 09: 45
      +6
      Quote: ka5280

      Ja sebe dazhe ne predstavljaju, chto budet, esli baks umret

      Well, you are really scared in the USA, but here in Russia it will be a holiday. good
      1. sv-sakh
        sv-sakh 17 December 2012 09: 48
        +1
        Day off will do laughing
        1. mda
          mda 18 December 2012 15: 25
          0
          Quote: sv-sakh
          Day off will do

          It will be the greatest holiday - 12 months off lol
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 17 December 2012 19: 27
        +1
        The main thing is that they would hold out until Christmas, and that’s because the post, especially I don’t go wild (((And when they collapse, I will thump for a week
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 09: 49
      +1
      Quote: ka5280
      Ja sebe dazhe ne predstavljaju, chto budet, esli baks umret

      Overseas "money changers" will lay down with bones, whatever this happens. The faster they lay down, the faster the world will breathe freely. yes
    3. donchepano
      donchepano 17 December 2012 11: 14
      +1
      Quote: ka5280
      Ja sebe dazhe ne predstavljaju, chto budet, esli baks umret


      pust beestree sdohnet
  14. Egoza
    Egoza 17 December 2012 09: 59
    0
    Buy yuan, it will be the most reliable \ currency in the near future!
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 10: 22
      +2
      Quote: Egoza
      Buy yuan, it will be the most reliable \ currency in the near future!

      And better GOLD !!! laughing
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 17 December 2012 10: 23
      +4
      Quote: Egoza
      most reliable \ currency


      in Russia and in Ukraine, another currency has always been in price. So guys stock up on vodka.

      Do you think the Chinese will help? rice 30 degrees burda 25 yuan each at the bottom with spiders somehow not ours.
      1. Armata
        Armata 17 December 2012 10: 38
        +2
        Quote: vorobey
        rice 30 degree bourd on 25 yuan at the bottom with spiders somehow not ours.
        Well, on the other hand, the tequila from Hugo is very much for us laughing
        1. Nymp
          Nymp 17 December 2012 11: 17
          +1
          Quote: Mechanic
          Well, on the other hand, the tequila from Hugo is very much for us
          Hugo tried ours! Approved !!! drinks
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 17 December 2012 10: 29
      +7
      Quote: Egoza

      Buy yuan, it will be the most reliable \ currency in the near future!

      Here is the most reliable currency, I do not change the yuan wink
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 17 December 2012 10: 47
        +6
        Alexander Romanov,
        Original. Especially soap and rope.
        1. Igarr
          Igarr 17 December 2012 11: 06
          +3
          Not...
          this is a firing stick with a fuse, a Molotov cocktail and gunpowder in a bag.
      2. WW3
        WW3 17 December 2012 16: 07
        +4
        A bottle of vodka or cognac is a hard currency ... it will never depreciate, it will only go up in price ....
        Here's an interesting photo I got .... vodka with the head of Tymoshenko ... why not come up with lol

  15. Nymp
    Nymp 17 December 2012 10: 03
    +2
    China sits firmly on the dollar needle, if the dollar falls, then the Chinese economy will falter, maybe for Russia - mother it’s not even bad, because having a power with extra ambitions is not a pleasure.
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: Nymp
      China sits firmly on the dollar needle

      Have you noticed a tendency: countries are switching to mutual settlements in goods and national currency? And our wooden (albeit from high-quality wood), even "Shutskorovtsy" began to accept in stores. And how do they value our vodka? Soon we will come to them with a box of vodka, instead of "bucks" fellow
      1. Nymp
        Nymp 17 December 2012 10: 50
        +2
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Have you noticed a trend: do countries switch to mutual settlement of goods and national currency?
        Weak attempts are possible (if you talk about China), but they will not be allowed by the Western monopoly, which transferred all its production to China. In the end, this is the lion's share of jobs in China.
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        And our wooden (albeit from high-quality wood), even "Shutskorovtsy" began to accept
        Well, this is not bad, but only a chain of stores that accepted our currency is not enough for Mother Russia.
        1. Thunderbolt
          Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 11: 06
          +2
          +
          Quote: Nymp
          it's not bad

          + Yes, and the "ENEMY" is not asleep .. uses all leverage to stop the process of DOLLARIZATION. Mrs. Clinton says: there will be no revival of the USSR! And what is the Union? Right .... A single and indivisible currency.
  16. djon3volta
    djon3volta 17 December 2012 10: 35
    +3
    Of course, some say DO NOT PORN, IT'S ALL Nonsense, etc. .. but why then the film SPIRIT OF TIME is prohibited in the United States?
    and here's another thing, did anyone think in 1990 that the USSR would collapse in 1991?
    1. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: djon3volta
      SPIRIT OF TIME banned in the usa?

      They still need to prohibit the "air seller". The hint is obvious !!!
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 11: 51
      0
      Quote: djon3volta
      , did anyone think in 1990 that the USSR would collapse in 1991?

      The CIA only thought about it.
  17. fenix57
    fenix57 17 December 2012 11: 02
    0
    It's time to withdraw the ruble in key currencies.
  18. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 17 December 2012 11: 15
    +1
    I propose to go to the American Embassy and defiantly tear these dirty green papers !!!
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 17 December 2012 19: 39
      +1
      I agree, grab a dozen on my soul - another hundred-dollar)) and I’m lighters)))
  19. Magadan
    Magadan 17 December 2012 11: 15
    +1
    Here the game can go pretty tricky. Purely fantasy.
    Suddenly, is there any next technical revolution on the way? And the United States is pulling time to live up to it. Just to climb on such financial pyramids? The world is inert and still uses it with might and main. Those. all these frauds of the Fed, whatever one may say, are paid by the whole planet, not just the United States.
    A new industrial revolution can come from:
    1) Shale gas / oil
    2) Jerk in robotics
    3) 3-D printers of industrial scale. Now for now, bulk forms can be made of plastic, but who said that it is not possible from metal? In this case, you need a couple of designers and that’s it. You drive into a computer model and print all conceivable parts for all conceivable equipment.
    So we will see. We, the USSR, covered ourselves just before such a revolution (Internet, satellite and cellular telephony, computers, etc.)
    But whether the USA will be covered is a big question. It may well be at our expense.
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 17 December 2012 14: 28
      0
      No, this is a tricky game of a patient under a dropper - to force relatives to fork out for the next medicine, to stretch another day.
  20. MDesant
    MDesant 17 December 2012 11: 19
    +6
    So far, they are giving something for the dollar.
    I hope to live up to that time, so that they give him only in the face!
  21. Magadan
    Magadan 17 December 2012 11: 22
    +1
    Eh ... such a healthy post dashed, and he disappeared.
    In short, I guys think that the United States hopes to live up to the next technical revolution, such as the one that was in the 90s (Internet, cellular telephony, computers with iPhones, etc.)
    Now it can be shale oil with gas, 3-D printers (if you learn to print not only from platmass) and robotics.
    It may well stumble to such a surge. After all, we, the rest of the world, support their dollars. It is clear to everyone that the USA is such a global MMM JSC, but no one decides to leave the dollar for now.
  22. Lord of the Sith
    Lord of the Sith 17 December 2012 13: 09
    +1
    I am more than sure that many of you who have unsubscribed here and even those who hate Americans are saving a couple thousand dollars for a rainy day. And I have long suggested getting rid of this paper.
    1. Bashkaus
      Bashkaus 17 December 2012 19: 45
      0
      I do not agree! I never kept money in greenery, but my sister gave 500 bucks for a wedding in July 2008. Do not believe it, when he began to rise in August and everyone ran to buy them, I sold them on the contrary, since then I have not held them in my hands.
      1. mazdie
        mazdie 22 December 2012 22: 40
        0
        And he did the right thing! On the rise, selling on the fall, buying. And if in addition to jokes, then everyone sponsors them anyway, but it seems they spend more!
  23. werewolf
    werewolf 17 December 2012 14: 31
    +1
    Yellowstone Volcano, Supervolcano or Yellowstone Caldera are all names for a volcano that is located in Yellowstone National Park, in the northwestern part of Wyoming, USA. According to scientists, over the past 17 million years, the Yellowstone volcano has shown its strength more than 100 times. The last two eruptions were about 2 million and 640 thousand years ago. New geysers appeared as the first signs of activity. Further seismologists have identified a significant rise in the land in the national park. For twenty years, the rise of the soil has made no more than 10 cm, and over the past four years - 178 cm. According to many volcanologists, it can begin to erupt at any minute. This supervolcano has not shown its power for more than 600 thousand years and its eruption, according to American scientists, could wipe out more than half of the US territory. In the event of a major war, Russian nuclear warheads will fly there. And non-Russians (China, Korea, Iran) can fly, which is why America is afraid of the "proliferation" of the nuclear club. A few days before the explosion, the earth's crust above the supervolcano will rise several meters. In this case, the soil will heat up to 60-70 degrees. The concentration of hydrogen sulfide and helium will sharply increase in the atmosphere.
    The first thing we will see is a cloud of volcanic ash, which will rise into the atmosphere to a height of 40-50 kilometers. pieces tossed to great heights. When they fall, they will cover a gigantic territory. In the first hours of a new eruption in Yellowstone, an area within a radius of 1000 kilometers around the epicenter will be destroyed. Here, in immediate danger are residents of almost the entire American northwest (Seattle) and parts of Canada (Calgary, Vancouver).
    In an area of ​​10 thousand square kilometers, streams of red-hot mud will rage, the so-called pyroclastic wave - the most deadly product of an eruption. They will arise when the pressure of the lava hitting high into the atmosphere weakens and part of the column collapses in the vicinity with a huge avalanche, burning everything in its path. In pyroclastic flows of such proportions it will be impossible to survive. At temperatures above 400 degrees, human bodies will simply weld, the flesh will separate from the bones.
    Hot slurry will kill about 200 thousand people in the first minutes after the start of the eruption.
    But these are very insignificant losses in comparison with those that America will suffer as a result of the series of earthquakes and tsunamis that the explosion will provoke. They will take tens of millions of lives. This is provided that the North American continent does not go under water at all, like Atlantis.
    Then a cloud of ash from the volcano will begin to spread in breadth. B. During the day in the disaster area will be the entire territory of the United States to the Mississippi. Volcanic ash - only sounds harmless, but in fact it is the most dangerous phenomenon during an eruption. Particles of ash are so small that neither gauze dressings nor respirators protect them. Once in the lungs, the ash mixes with mucus, hardens and turns into cement
  24. Equatusty
    Equatusty 17 December 2012 14: 44
    -5
    mature porn http://zrel-porn.ru/
    1. WW3
      WW3 17 December 2012 15: 28
      +2
      Why upload such links?
      Thus, 0,5 trillion. per year, fresh dollar bills will increase in the world .. by 2020, the US national debt will exceed far 20 trillion. Doll.. lol accordingly, if you keep your savings in green, you lose in any way ... even though smart people, of course, do not keep all their eggs in one basket ... euro-dollar-ruble ...
      Russia needs to carry out all payments for energy resources in rubles ... it needs to go from the dollar ... what America is counting on is not clear ... a way out of this impasse ... or a world war that will forgive everything or the introduction of a new currency such as rumors about " amero "...
      Above offered to buy the yuan, so why support China - a sworn friend of the Russian Federation?
  25. kush62
    kush62 17 December 2012 16: 44
    0
    Petrosyan had such a joke, "They buried his mother-in-law, broke 3 button accordions" When we start tearing button accordions en masse, during our lifetime we want to see American cranks!
  26. Papakiko
    Papakiko 17 December 2012 20: 26
    +1
    “The spending cuts and tax hikes that will inevitably come into effect in January 2013 will affect mainly the Department of Defense. This is the beginning of a ten-year reduction program that will save about $ 500 billion. In total, the White House wants to save 1,2 trillion $ in all kinds of abbreviations. "

    And in this situation

    "In accordance with its previous 'quantitative easing' program, the Fed buys $ 40 billion worth of mortgage bonds every month. Now the system, in addition, will start buying $ 45 billion in Treasury bonds. Therefore, from January, 85 $ billion in freshly printed dollars. "

    Based on the second paragraph, I would "Drum" on the first paragraph.
    It seems so.