"Spicy Middle Ages"

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"Spicy Middle Ages"
Here they are - dogheads, lords of the places where black pepper was mined. Illustration from the manuscript "Livre des merveilles de Marco Polo" (The Book of Miracles of Marco Polo), 1410. Gallica Library


“She slaughtered her cattle, mixed wine with spices and set the table.”
Proverbs of Solomon 9:2

stories by stories Middle Ages. Today we will talk about one interesting addiction of the people of the Middle Ages, namely the addiction to caustic and spicy spices, which seems to be well known to everyone for a long time and which is written in almost every book that tells about the culture of that time. Well, how can we not mention that a rich man was called a “bag of pepper”, and that spices were then worth their weight in gold. And why not write that the reason for this was that ... people ate everything rotten, and especially stale meat, and therefore tried to beat off the unpleasant smell with the help of spices. But... was it really so?



In one of the previous materials of this series, we already wrote that people of the medieval era were not stupid at all and were perfectly able to keep food fresh. But the myth still roams from one popular science publication to another, as if our ancestors were forced to eat rotten meat, and spices in food helped beat off the smell of rotten meat. How Europeans did not die out from food poisoning in such a diet is not clear. Another version of the myth is that the meat was salted, and everyone ate corned beef, from the beggar to the king, that's why its annoying taste was hammered with an unmeasured amount of pepper.

Saint Aldhelm, Bishop of Sherborne, England, wrote about black pepper as follows in the XNUMXth century:

“I am black on the outside, dressed in a crumpled veil, but my contents ignite. I spice up delicacies, the feasts of kings and the luxury of the table. And sauces and tenderized meats in the kitchen. But you won't find anything of value in me, unless my contents have stirred up your guts."

Meanwhile, in the same material, we reported that they knew how to store meat on glaciers since ancient times. That in the Middle Ages there were glaciers - cellars filled with ice, and the harsh winters of 1315-1317, and even later happened more than once, completely allowed meat to be frozen “outside the window”, as economical housewives do today. Well, it was not difficult to get fresh meat almost daily at that time: here wild boars roam, here deer, here rabbits jumped, hunting for cabbage - in a word, went, killed, caught, skinned and eat. And since the same nobility sat down to feast in very crowded gatherings, there was no question of whether there would be anything left of the same whole roasted wild boar or not. So our medieval ancestors got along just fine without a refrigerator, as well as without a TV, a computer ... and they didn’t grieve themselves!


Brother Martin, petty grocer. In an illustration from The Book of the Twelve Brothers, he is standing at his desk and holding a container in his hand, which is probably used to measure bulk goods, the white color of which indicates salt. A basket with handles and various vessels with grains or nuts are laid out on the table. But he obviously does not sell spices. They just don't fit him. 1425. (Amb. 317.2° Folio 19 verso (Mendel I))

True, the novelist Stefan Zweig argued that since the food of European medieval man was at that time very insipid and monotonous in taste, the only way to improve its taste was Indian and Malay spices. But again, is this really true?

After all, Europe is by no means deprived of excellent aromatic herbs, and vegetables too: onions and garlic grew in any garden, in the South of France, lemons were used to acidify food (which in the north was replaced by bitter orange - orange), and saffron grew in castle gardens - in a word , Europeans had something to spice up their food.

But then where did they get such a strong addiction to Indian and African hot spices, why did they become an integral part of European medieval cuisine?

Indeed, if we tried the dishes of medieval France, they would most likely remind us of Mexican cuisine, but not of European cuisine. That is, there is no doubt that then people had a passion for spicy, caustic, sour and everything that smelled sharp and spicy. Meat in the literal sense of the word was drowned in pepper sauce, ginger was added to both beer and wine, chicken had to be sprinkled with saffron and not spared, so that it acquired a bright orange-yellow color. So when modern chefs tried to cook according to the recipes of that time, they first of all had to reduce the amount of spices in the dishes, otherwise these medieval dishes would simply seem inedible to us.


Brother Berthold, spice merchant. Shown in an illustration from The Book of the Twelve Brothers standing behind his counter, spread out on a large barrel. In his right hand he holds an apothecary's scale, with which he weighs the spices lying in bags on the table. 1453. (Amb. 317.2° Folio 75 recto (Mendel I))

The fact is that spices came to Europe from the Moluccas, through India, Arabia and further through Venice and Genoa. Ginger, cloves, black pepper and cinnamon were delivered along this route. It turns out that every grain of pepper and every bud of a clove tree needed to cross the Indian Ocean, the Red Sea, then, together with a caravan of camels, cross the Arabian Desert, then the Mediterranean Sea, and then travel on mules for weeks on European soil. And here, too, merchants had a hard time: robbers in the forests, “traffic law”, “bridge law”, “what fell from the cart is gone” - in a word, it was a real feat to carry spices to Europe, and, like any feat " , it was rated accordingly. It took at least three years for the crop of pepper, cinnamon and ginger grown in the East to reach Europe. It is easy to calculate that on this way, each bag of spices was subjected to various taxes no less than ten or twelve times. As a result, the price of all these spices in Europe rose to sky-high heights, and only grew over the years. Pepper and cloves were weighed on jewelry scales and indoors, so that, God forbid, not a single particle would be blown away by a draft. That is, the one who at least occasionally ate spices rose in his own eyes and in the eyes of those around him as high as one can only imagine.


Jörg Weinreiner, also a brother and also a grocer. His shop is brick, with a boarded roof. Hand scales are used to measure the product. You can see different bags, two loaves, bales of cloth and a measuring cubit, which are laid out on the counter. And here on the left are two sugar loaves. Other sacks of merchandise and stacks of fabrics are stacked on the shelves at the back. 1533. (Amb. 317.2° Folio 150 recto (Mendel I))

Well, and then, in fact, and pepper, and cloves, and ginger have a pronounced medicinal effect. Clove buds are a very strong antiseptic, and there were not enough antiseptics in the Middle Ages. It was enough to chew a couple of kidneys to cure a sore throat. Ginger is known to cleanse the blood and eliminate putrefactive processes in the intestines. Nutmeg eliminates bad breath, and this sad phenomenon, as a result of bad teeth in the vast majority of the population, was very common at that time. In a word, all these spices also played the role of modern dietary supplements, without which people of that era, and first of all to know, would get sick incomparably more often.

However, this is not enough. We should not forget about the religious worldview of that era. According to the concepts of medieval people, the divine paradise was located precisely in India (or its environs). Therefore, it was believed that the spices that grew in those parts are saturated with the emanations of paradise, and the water that feeds them flows directly from Eden. It was quite seriously stated that the pepper ripens in the nests of snakes that protect it from people. Therefore, they get it like this: they set fire to the nest, the snakes crawl away in fear, but initially the white pepper turns black from the heat!

Add here dog-headed, gold-bearing ants, people with one ear in which they wrap themselves like a blanket, one-legged jumping people and all other miracles then known to everyone and everyone, and it becomes clear that anyone who ate pepper, joined in what - something so high that it simply could not be higher, and experienced real ecstasy! Well, it was exactly the same as it happens when our modern man gets into a Rolls-Royce, a Silver Shadow, or a Boat Tail, a Lamborghini, or an Aston Martin.


Dietrich Weiss. Two hundred years have passed, and the appearance of the grocer has changed in the most striking way. So, Weiss is depicted in a jacket with many buttons, a cape and a white collar, standing behind the counter with a notebook in his hand. On the counter are bales of red and brown cloth, a hat, and a skein of cord. Items for sale are displayed behind the counter: sacks of nuts, ropes, and various items packed in colorful boxes. Here involuntarily I want to approach this and at least buy something from him. 1620. (Amb. 279.2° Folio 91 verso (Landauer I))

Summarizing all of the above once again, we note that spices in the Middle Ages were not so much (and not only) “outlandish”, but also extremely prestigious goods, and the very possibility of using them spoke of the wealth and high position of the owner of the house, and his involvement in the highest the values ​​of that time. Spices became a symbol of the era and remained so until the beginning of the Great Geographical Discoveries, when the Portuguese travels to India finally dispelled the centuries-old legends about the origin of all the same pepper. Accordingly, these travels caused a catastrophic drop in the price of spices, added new ones to them, that is, turned them into the most ordinary seasonings for the kitchen table, in which quality they are known to us today.
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  1. +5
    6 July 2023 05: 35
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!

    The cloves still used buds. Including in the "vinegar of four thieves."

    And the use of spices is also a matter of habit.

    A master student from India puts a lot of spices on food.
    1. +13
      6 July 2023 06: 17
      Good morning, Sergey!
      Spices are still expensive.
      There was a small shop, the Uzbeks traded spices in it, but it quickly turned out that chalk had been added to everything. The shop was covered.
      I buy in the store - very expensive. A bag of ucho-suneli - more than 100 rubles, I spend it carefully. Not real, but good adjika in tubes, there are a lot of spices in it. Well, and so on.
      I can't live without spices - a Caucasian habit.
      That's how it grew. The taste of food without spices is one thing. With spices, it's different. Apparently it takes some getting used to.
      1. +8
        6 July 2023 06: 51
        I can't live without spices - a Caucasian habit.
        Absolutely indifferent to them - a northern habit. There would be salt, and everything else can be grown even beyond the Arctic Circle.
        Hello, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!
        1. +4
          6 July 2023 07: 29
          Good morning Anton!
          And you health! Imagine, I cook dumplings with all the spices and adding a spoonful of tomato paste, the soup turns out - a miracle! Try it, you won't regret it.
          But for some reason I imagine that you will say: "But I don't cook at home")))
          1. +7
            6 July 2023 07: 41
            Why, I'm cooking. Not to say that some delights, with this to my brother ("Anton, you cook food, and Timur - a dish!"), But it is quite edible, nutritious, and sometimes even tasty. And most importantly, no one has been poisoned by my cooking yet!)))
            1. +3
              6 July 2023 08: 03
              Liked:
              "Anton, you cook food, and Timur - a dish!"

              Food and dish! Cool and true classification, isn't it? )))
              I actually also mostly eat food called "snacking" or "interception".

              I asked, found out: the cost of spices in the markets of medieval Europe often differed from the initial purchase price by 500 times - wow!
              And I also learned that a person who has a small chest of spices was provided with it for life. Only now it was impossible to put spices in the treasure - for obvious reasons. I watched how specialists with mine detectors find treasures. In Europe - with gold jewelry and valuable coins from the point of view of numismatics, and in our country there are more and more with bullets, tokens, light weapons, mines and shells.
              1. +6
                6 July 2023 09: 28
                And I also learned that a person who has a small chest of spices was provided with it for life.

                Provided with what - spices or money? And what is the size of the chest that provides "all life"?
                In the 1000th century, approximately 1000 tons of pepper and 1 tons of other spices were imported into Europe. At the then prices, these spices were worth as much as a year's supply of grain for 500 people. That is, in order to provide one person with a supply of grain for one year, it was necessary to sell about 000 grams of spices. It turns out that to ensure "for life" the chest should not be small.
        2. +7
          6 July 2023 08: 53
          Good morning .
          So many comments.
          Man, I haven't had breakfast yet.
          You won't lose weight with you.
      2. +4
        6 July 2023 07: 40
        Good morning, Lyudmila Yakovlevna!

        And our traditions are hell and mustard.
        Probably, omnivorousness is shown. But with salt, of course, more fun.
        1. +3
          6 July 2023 08: 11
          But with salt, of course, more fun.

          And I stopped distinguishing salted from unsalted. Sometimes I remember that the brain does not work without salt, I give myself the command not to be stupid, I lick the salt off the spoon, and then thirst sets in, which I don’t feel normally, but as an incomprehensible inconvenience and, after thinking, I understand - I need to drink boiled water from the refrigerator wassat )))

          Salt is a condiment, isn't it? Much more important than spices)))
          1. +5
            6 July 2023 08: 28
            Pokhlebkin wrote detailed books on this subject.

            And it is important, probably, also with whom you eat.

            Here Kant, with all the asceticism, understood a lot about the company at the table.
        2. +7
          6 July 2023 08: 22
          And our traditions are hell and mustard.

          - Zinochka, pass the herring to the doctor, and be sure to serve mustard to it
          Why, Philip Philipovich?
          - And you try, try, Ivan Arnoldovich, I won’t advise you bad - then you will thank me (c)

          But the Bulgakov professor did not deceive! Since I first read "The Heart of a Dog" - the herring on the table has always been with mustard smile
          1. +6
            6 July 2023 08: 29
            Right. Bulgakov's culinary retreats work well.
          2. +14
            6 July 2023 09: 23
            Fresh herring fillet, bones can be removed but not necessary, salt with coarse salt for 8 hours, then rinse, cut into slices of 1-1,5 cm, pour home-made mustard and refrigerate for a day. Also with capelin, only it needs to be cleaned, by lightly pressing the knife near the head, not cutting to the abdomen, moving the knife to the side, as if tearing off the head, the insides fly off with the head. If there is caviar, it remains in the capelin. preferences. hiPS: Do not be lazy to buy fresh fish, manufacturers add preservatives to salted fish to increase the shelf life. Even in pressers made at sea, I personally poured into each jar.
            1. +7
              6 July 2023 12: 44
              My respect, Andrey! It's so delicious how you describe it. Just wanted to have a bite to eat. good And yes, it brought back memories.
              While serving in SAPO, my wife and I often bought fresh Caspian herring. You clean it, cut it into slices, roll it in flour mixed with spices and fry it with onions in a pan. And fast and very tasty.
              1. +7
                6 July 2023 13: 35
                And then they did it this way: you put slices of fresh herring in a regular plastic bag, there are also a couple of slices of lemon, a carrot, a bunch of dill, half an onion, a couple of potatoes cut into four parts. bay leaf, a couple of peppercorns. Tie the bag tightly in a knot and place it in a pot of boiling water. After 15-20 minutes, the package is removed and a delicious steamed fish with a vegetable side dish is obtained.
                1. +5
                  6 July 2023 13: 44
                  So things will go, then we will get to my root number - perch in apples. But the perch should not be a beak, but golden. A variety of sea bass (North Atlantic).
                  1. +2
                    6 July 2023 16: 47
                    So it goes, then we get to my root number - perch in apples

                    If not difficult, share
                    1. +6
                      6 July 2023 18: 18
                      A sea bass is taken, it should not be pink, it should shine orange. This is a completely different perch - not a beak, but golden. The larger the better I take from 2-3 kg. 550 kg came across. It is done with the head, the eyes (from the inside) and gills cut in. This option is no longer available, everything is now without a head in stores.
                      So we will work with the carcass, cut off all the feathers, peel off the scales. It is cut with a book - along from the dorsal fins along the ridge to the belly from the beginning to the tail, we do not cut the belly. We must try to have a clean ridge with meat on one side, the second half is pure meat salt and pepper the halves without being zealous .. We take two large "green" apples, cut them into slices. It is laid in layers on the spinal part, leave the second half of the apples. Layed. We do not regret dill again pepper and salt, we can experiment with spices - coriander grains, paprika No frozen cod liver (fresh) replace with butter (in no case canned cod liver) oil 100 - 150 grams. Two large bay leaves and a dozen allspice Again we put the remaining apples, and cover with the second part of the perch. We wrap it in foil or better in parchment. We remember the nuance where the part with the ridge is, and where is the pure meat. with a ridge, this is the bottom. We turn on the oven at 200 degrees, first we put the bundle with the perch down on the baking sheet with meat, the spinal part is at the top, after 1,5 hours we turn it over, the spinal part is below, clean meat is on top. Keep for another 2 hours. We shift everything entirely to a tray, dishes so that the perch fits completely in the bundle. The head of the family puts it all on the table, sets the machine gun against the front door, takes the knife, opens the perch clearly in the middle, gently pushing the edges of the foil, parchment so that the juice in the perch does not spill out. Options, you can serve everyone on a plate, but more appetizing, eat a whole perch together, observing subordination. Bon appetit. I usually ate vegetables with apples first, and then they took the perch itself. drinks
      3. +3
        6 July 2023 18: 31
        Quote: depressant
        I can't live without spices - a Caucasian habit.

        Good habit. Real Georgian spices from the market is Wah!!! Genatsvale .... Batono ... But of course in moderation. And then yes, they have a healing effect ... All these cilantro-corianders, tsitsmaty, hot red peppers, garlic, ucho suneli ..., suneli hops ... On wildberry I found a decent Georgian company that prepares spices - "Rioni Spice". ...Very decent spices. Smell ! Taste !
      4. +3
        6 July 2023 18: 54
        Uzbeks traded spices in it, but it was quickly discovered that chalk had been added to everything.
        These descendants of Khoja Nasreddin even in Soviet times dyed long-grain rice with crushed bricks, passing it off as pink Pakistani rice.
        1. 0
          11 August 2023 11: 30
          Well, merchants also sinned before the revolution: what they just didn’t add to spices and other groceries: chalk, brick, clay ...
    2. +4
      6 July 2023 10: 55
      I join the thanks to the author! Now the cucumbers are flooded, it's time to buy "spare parts", i.e. spices! All the best! hi
  2. +6
    6 July 2023 07: 21
    Everything has been known for a long time.
    There are classic writings on this subject. Well, medieval Europeans did not know how to keep cattle in winter. So they killed her. The meat was salted. No salt, unless it is more by weight than the meat itself, will ensure the preservation of corned beef without spices.
    The glacier, by the way, is not a panacea at all, God forbid if it provides minus three, five degrees.
    And that is a big question.
    For a long-term, until next autumn, storage of fresh meat, you need at least minus eighteen. In order to ensure, at least for a short time, such a temperature on the glacier, what temperature should the ice laid there have? Often in Europe in the middle of autumn, when there was nowhere to graze the cattle and the poor were slaughtered, were there frosts well over thirty?
    The author obviously never cooked anything himself, and he never saw a living cellar.
    The extreme high cost of exotic spices was determined by the fact that without them it’s just tryndets, there will be nothing to eat in winter and spring.
    Lord, why can't you think first and then write!
    1. +10
      6 July 2023 07: 32
      There are classic writings on this subject. Well, medieval Europeans did not know how to keep cattle in winter. So they killed her.
      Now it's getting interesting...
      1. Colleague, would you kindly give examples of classical works on this subject?
      2. If the cattle were all slaughtered in the autumn, where did the young animals come from next spring?
      3. By the way, were horses slaughtered too?
      1. +8
        6 July 2023 08: 42
        Colleague, would you be so kind as to give examples of classical works on this subject?

        There is a lot of literature on medieval agriculture, although I find it difficult to determine which specimens are considered "classical" and which do not deserve such an honor. At the same time, there is no doubt that the colleague did not read either classical or non-classical "works", otherwise he would not have written nonsense that "medieval Europeans did not know how to keep cattle in winter" or that it is impossible to harvest meat for long-term storage without exotic spices.

        By the way - harvesting hay for the winter. Illustration from Duke du Berry, Books of Hours, 1410. This is about whether medieval Europeans kept animals in winter.
        1. +5
          6 July 2023 09: 12
          By the way - harvesting hay for the winter.
          And practically under the walls of the Conciergerie. This is an island on the Seine, between the Cité and the University (I don’t remember the name, Juif, I think), there are now the pillars of the New Bridge.
        2. +5
          6 July 2023 09: 30
          “Hey, good people,” he shouted as he ran, “if you don’t tell the king that this meadow belongs to the Marquis de Carabas, you will all be chopped into pieces, like stuffing for a pie!” So know! Just then the royal carriage drove up, and the king asked, looking out of the window:

          - Whose meadow are you mowing?

          - Marquis de Carabas! - the mowers answered in one voice, because the cat scared them to death with its threats.
          1. +8
            6 July 2023 12: 15
            Marquis de Carabas!

            Well, now the cat people will downvote me smile
            Modern Puss in Boots laughing
            1. +8
              6 July 2023 12: 41
              Well, now the cat people will downvote me

              I won't, but my cat writes out a business trip to your area, so hide your boots. laughing
              1. +4
                6 July 2023 12: 57
                In order to hide - I have to buy them at least laughing
                Hi Kostya!
                1. +5
                  6 July 2023 13: 41
                  Hello Dima! smile
                  This is happiness when a person is not burdened with junk, I also have shoes and rags to a minimum.
                  I'll have to buy them at the very least.

                  To buy something you don't need, you must first sell something you don't need. (Almost according to Matroskin))))))
                  1. +3
                    6 July 2023 16: 09
                    People go around the world
                    They seem to need a little
                    The tent would be strong
                    Yes, the path would not be boring.
                    1. +3
                      6 July 2023 18: 11
                      A road without end
                      She once chose you
                      Your steps, your sadness and song.
                      Just follow it
                      With every step it hurts more
                      Every night it gets brighter
                      With every word more deadly
                      Every song gets harder!
              2. +2
                6 July 2023 23: 22
                One of my cats wakes me up at 4am sharp every day so I can let him out for a walk. Today happened as usual, but I went fishing. As a result, there is no fish, the cat sleeps all day on the couch, and I take a steam bath in the heat in the greenhouse) such things .......
                1. +2
                  6 July 2023 23: 39
                  Quote: Alien From
                  As a result, there is no fish, the cat sleeps all day on the couch, and I take a steam bath in the heat in the greenhouse) such things .......

                  At my uncle's, when there was nothing to eat at home, the cat brought him mice and laid them on the sofa. Like eat, master. The uncle threw them away so that she would not see and would not be offended.
                2. +1
                  7 July 2023 00: 50
                  Familiar. smile Four in the morning - the beginning of the fifth: get up and let me out into the garden. What to do - I get up and go to fill up, if possible. Yes
              3. +1
                6 July 2023 23: 25
                Nautical! The picture shows my spitting image of Perculya! good
        3. +4
          6 July 2023 10: 59
          Well, first of all, 1410 is no longer quite the Middle Ages. Secondly, the cattle that was left for the tribe still had to be fed. That's what hay was made for her.
          1. +4
            6 July 2023 12: 13
            Well, firstly, 1410 is no longer quite the Middle Ages

            Very detailed recommendations on the proper maintenance of hayfields and haymaking for pets are contained in classic work on agriculture, De re rustica, from the twelve volumes that Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella wrote in the XNUMXst century AD.
            1. +5
              6 July 2023 12: 45
              Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella wrote in the XNUMXst century AD.
              "Well, secondly, it's not quite the Middle Ages yet"
              )))
      2. +6
        6 July 2023 09: 22
        3 × 3zsave, you are completely right, if you kill the cattle, then there will be no young animals.
        Cows, horses, sheep could be kept right on the street in winter.
        It was only necessary to provide good food, and put at least a canopy or shelter from the wind.
        I myself kept a bull in the fresh air all winter, and the temperature in the Orenburg region reaches -40. And the weather in Europe in winter is much milder.
        Just feed well and drink warm water.
      3. +3
        6 July 2023 10: 58
        William Vasilyevich can be read. Of course, not all cattle were slaughtered under the root. Left just for breeding.
    2. +8
      6 July 2023 07: 42
      I remember that I lived for a year in the Kuban with my grandmother.
      The pig was slaughtered in winter. I don’t remember how much meat they kept for themselves, but my grandmother went to Armavir several times to sell it. There was a cellar, and there were potatoes in it)))
      But chickens, geese and turkeys - countless!
      Saturday gave milk, sour cream was obtained from separated cream.
      About spices, except for bay leaves and peppercorns, they had no idea. And all the Kuban were long-livers. I don't know how now
      1. +7
        6 July 2023 08: 40
        About spices, except for bay leaves and peppercorns, in the Kuban they had no idea

        Strange. And didn’t wild garlic, garlic, thyme, dill, tarragon, mint dry for the winter in the stove? Have you ever made spicy sauces from plums, mashmala or baked turnips with vinegar on grape wine? I can't imagine my childhood without these grandma's spices. And centuries before us, these spices were already in the villages. I'm not talking about the "multi-colored" vinegar, which they just did not insist on. Each house had its own recipes.
        1. +12
          6 July 2023 09: 08
          And such a folk spice as "Gorloder" - tomatoes rubbed through a meat grinder for the winter with garlic and basil must have been in every Soviet house!
          1. +7
            6 July 2023 09: 33
            And in the middle lane there are still salted mushrooms - for the winter.

            And when cucumbers were salted, they always added a blackcurrant leaf, among other things.
            1. +5
              6 July 2023 10: 07
              By the way, I never understood why it was black?
              1. +6
                6 July 2023 10: 09
                And the smell is strong from blackcurrant.

                And yet - in fairy tales: the Smorodina River. "Smells like a Russian spirit." From the word - currant, stench.
                1. +4
                  6 July 2023 10: 55
                  And the smell is strong from blackcurrant.
                  And if you pile more red?
                  1. +3
                    6 July 2023 11: 22
                    Not that.

                    Sometimes I think - what features of the lifestyle from the XNUMXth century have been preserved?

                    What is gradually being replaced?

                    Still, the way of life depends on the way of work, first of all.
                2. +6
                  6 July 2023 11: 31
                  From the word - currant, stench.

                  It stinks, i.e. - stinks.
                  "Smells like a Russian spirit."

                  Yeah, unwashed footcloths.
                  The old man Romualdych sniffed his footcloth and already bewitched


                  Hello, Sergey! smile Sorry, couldn't resist. drinks
                  1. +5
                    6 July 2023 17: 14
                    Hi Constantine!

                    It's fine.

                    By the way, there is another version that the “Russian spirit” is the tar with which the boots were smeared.
                    1. +4
                      6 July 2023 18: 06
                      Good evening, Sergey! smile
                      “It must be cold outside?” he said, turning to Chub.

                      “There is frost,” Chub answered. - And let me ask you, what do you grease your boots with, lard or tar?

                      He wanted to say something else, he wanted to ask: "How did you, head, get into this bag?" - but he did not understand how he said something completely different.

                      - Tar is better! the head said. - Well, goodbye, Chub! - And, having put on his caps, he left the hut.

                      - Why did I foolishly ask what he smears his boots with! - Chub said, looking at the doors through which the head went out.


                      So experts believe that tar is better. laughing
                      "Ay, yes Solokha !!!" (c) wink
                      1. +4
                        6 July 2023 19: 41
                        Good evening, Constantine!

                        Exactly. These authorities can be trusted.
                    2. +7
                      6 July 2023 18: 33
                      "Russian spirit" is the tar with which the boots were lubricated.
                      Perfume Cuir de Russe from Chanel has something in common with birch tar, which was used in the dressing of expensive leather and the smell of which partially remained on haberdashery from it. Hence the name. Funfyrik these spirits - 350 pounds. Hangover is not recommended Yes .
                      1. +5
                        6 July 2023 18: 46
                        Funfyrik these spirits - 350 pounds.
                        What is the volume?
                      2. +5
                        6 July 2023 19: 38
                        What is the volume?
                        200 mil. Strictly speaking, this is "perfumery water", not perfume. The concentration is lower.
                      3. +4
                        6 July 2023 19: 43
                        The girl, though hoarsely, sweetly sang, burping, something incomprehensible, but, judging by the women's faces in the stalls, very seductive: - "Guerlain", "Chanel number five", "Mitsuko", "Narciss noir", evening dresses, cocktail dresses…
                      4. +3
                        6 July 2023 21: 27
                        And then it got even more interesting... bully



                        The text of the commentary is short, but the photo speaks for itself, for those of course who have read this book. smile
                      5. +1
                        7 July 2023 00: 09
                        And Balda condemned with reproach:
                        "You would not chase, pop, for cheapness."
                3. +3
                  6 July 2023 12: 04
                  And the smell is strong from blackcurrant.

                  And what a delicious tea from young currant leaves good
              2. +10
                6 July 2023 12: 29
                By the way, I never understood why it was black?

                - a high percentage of vitamin C - a strong antioxidant;
                - a lot of tannins, which do not allow cucumbers to soften ("crispy cucumber");
                - phytoncides contained in the leaves kill even E. coli.
                1. 0
                  7 July 2023 03: 25
                  And you can also use oak leaves in cucumbers) yesterday they worked 0.7 for two in a greenhouse, but they put everything in order drinks we don’t dream about mushrooms yet, the forest is dry as gunpowder.
            2. +3
              6 July 2023 10: 59
              And when cucumbers were salted, they always added a blackcurrant leaf, among other things.

              And fresh apples were put in cabbage for pickling. The taste of salted cabbage turned out to be tender-gentle. A brine good
              1. +2
                6 July 2023 11: 24
                And each apple tree is its own. It's one thing - an early pear. The other thing is the shtrifel.

                But Antonovka was no more.
                1. +6
                  6 July 2023 12: 12
                  But Antonovka was no more.

                  Antonovka is an amazing apple, XNUMX% recognizable by smell. But rarely where there is a real Antonovka. Painfully, she is changeable as a walking woman. A pear tree will grow next to it, there will be a taste from a pear tree, a strefel, then there will be no taste of a pear tree and there will be no proper maturation. There is a small town of Belev in the Tula region, there are purebred Antonov orchards, so as not to pollinate, Belev is the capital of apple marshmallows. Real marshmallow only from Antonovka and soaked apples only from Antonovka, and the most delicious apple pies from Antonovka, and what a smell in the house when Antonovka is in baskets. A real Antonovka can lie in the cellar until February.
                  1. +3
                    6 July 2023 12: 54
                    and soaked apples only from Antonovka

                    Colleague, do not mislead the audience. There are still individuals here who have found a completely archaic rural way of life, although local lumpen love to masturbate to the USSR as a kind of "city of Kitezh". So these Neanderthals remember that apples of all autumn and winter varieties are suitable for urination, and the skryzhapel will give Antonovka a head start in this matter.
                    1. 0
                      6 July 2023 22: 05
                      So these Neanderthals remember that apples of all autumn and winter varieties are suitable for urination, and the skryzhapel will give Antonovka a head start in this matter.

                      It may give you, but I have not seen red soaked apples. On lack of fish and cancer, fish for Neanderthals. And for me, even the most delicious dried apples from antonovka.
                      1. 0
                        6 July 2023 22: 59
                        And for me, even the most delicious dried apples from antonovka.

                        To whom and the mare the bride.
                  2. +3
                    6 July 2023 21: 27
                    By the way, homemade Antonovka apple juice is the best hangover cure. For some reason, other apples do not help so much. I generally keep quiet about store-bought juice from Chinese powder.
            3. +4
              6 July 2023 21: 11
              And when cucumbers were salted, they always added a blackcurrant leaf, among other things.
              Others are cherry leaves and horseradish leaves. Currant, of course, is a must.
          2. +4
            6 July 2023 09: 37
            As a child, with my mother, I prepared three-liter jars. Only without basil, the Arctic, however ...
          3. +3
            6 July 2023 13: 31
            "Gorloder" - for me personally, these are the best spices of all.
          4. ANB
            +1
            7 July 2023 14: 14
            Horseradish and hot red pepper go into the gorloder.
          5. +1
            8 July 2023 14: 42
            And with hell. Yes, cold.
            Yes, cold meats.
        2. +5
          6 July 2023 09: 20
          And didn’t wild garlic, garlic, thyme, dill, tarragon, mint dry for the winter in the stove?

          Dima, I don’t know where in the Kuban you lived, but I only learned about the existence of wild garlic here, in the Moscow region. And I know that this is a Red Book plant. And about mint in food only met in the literature. However, recently I saw bunches of mint in a vegetable one. As for wine, the vineyard near Armavir - no one had it. And she learned to make satsibeli from cherry plum already in Abkhazia. But none of the Abkhazians made medlar sauce - the children ate it on the vine, me too)))
          As for garlic and dill, it is so familiar and therefore not mentioned.
          But saffron ... As a decorative design of the yard - it was)))
          But no one could have imagined that it was a spice.
          1. +5
            6 July 2023 09: 34
            Not every crocus is saffron, Lyudmila Yakovlevna.
          2. +5
            6 July 2023 10: 18
            I found out about the existence of wild garlic only here

            You what! Ramson, popularly called bear's onion, is one of the favorite Caucasian dishes. Previously, we only either bought it or collected it in the forest. It is harvested in January-February in mountain and forests near rotted trees. This year I planted a forest bush in my area. Now it's already July - pah-pah, it seems to have taken root. Moreover, Corsair, a couple of years ago, did a soil analysis for me - the earth seems to be perfect. Just in case, I sprinkled it with last year's fallen forest leaves. We'll see what happens in the winter.

            And about mint in food only met in the literature.

            Baked pork without mint - money down the drain. And tea with mint after a bath is just a fairy tale.
            1. +2
              6 July 2023 20: 31
              Here, in the Tula region, wild garlic is harvested in April-May. When she is young. Cut neatly with a knife under the root. I know one abandoned dacha, so there is overgrown with wild garlic.
          3. +4
            6 July 2023 10: 39
            Quote: depressant
            but I learned about the existence of wild garlic only here, in the suburbs. And I know that this is a Red Book plant.

            Gee) As a child, I was sure that wild garlic grows only in the Caucasus, because I didn’t associate salted wild garlic in the market with wild onions, which are heaps in the country house in the forests, in the Tula region) However, yes, in the neighboring Moscow wild garlic - the Red Book , all devoured, adnaka.
          4. +3
            6 July 2023 12: 01
            Dima, I don't know where in the Kuban you live.


            on Podkumka in Pyatigorye, under Mount Baralyk. This is Stavropol
          5. +3
            6 July 2023 20: 26
            Quote: depressant
            but I learned about the existence of wild garlic only here, in the suburbs.

            Ramson because of the abundance of vitamins is also called a bear's onion. In the spring I collect on abandoned dachas. Ramson, boiled eggs, salt and mayonnaise. Great salad. And my dad also planted cilantro. Cilantro seeds are a good spice, but the plant itself stinks of bugs. Dad planted cilantro by the road, everyone walked around, spitting. laughing
          6. +2
            6 July 2023 21: 15
            I learned about the existence of wild garlic only here, in the Moscow region. And I know that this is a Red Book plant.
            Well, wow, red book plant. here, in the late Soviet period, the lily of the valley was declared Red Book, less than 5 years later, it began to grow anywhere. However, in the suburbs, I really did not see wild garlic in the forest. With the same success, one can declare here a baobab in the Red Book.
          7. 0
            8 July 2023 14: 48
            And you can khltya in general terms about the medlar sauce !!!
            Here or in person. How convenient it will be.
      2. +4
        6 July 2023 12: 49
        But chickens, geese and turkeys - countless!
        At the present time, chickens and geese and turkeys have gone to the far cardon, because competition is with large producers. smile This is with everything else. A simple example, at that bad time, when nothing was produced except for galoshes, it was like if the weather was sunny and rainy in May - June, which is the most for strawberries, cherries and other things, prices on the market were rapidly declining. Clear it’s a lot of harvest, have time to collect and sell, it’s pointless to bully and rot and you won’t sell. Now, this year the weather is fine, for these berries and fruits, but the price is stable and has not fallen, especially. 250 re kg of strawberries, cherries, cherries. And why? On the market, products are mainly from a large manufacturer. Cheaper, you can buy at the market, from grandmothers who have their own. They are driven there, but they don’t stand for a long time, they quickly sell out.
        1. +3
          6 July 2023 15: 38
          Gone now to a distant cordon

          Here are those times!!! This is today a completely forgotten old expression, and even in this aspect it is inherent in only one estate and location! I dare to suggest - your ancestors from the linear Caucasian Cossacks.
          Grandmother often said before her death - I was a guest in this world. I feel it’s time for me to gather to my sons and my father and mother to a distant cordon - to flood meadows and fat pastures of the heavenly bush.
        2. +2
          6 July 2023 19: 33
          Here Cornelius says:
          . At the present time, chickens and geese and turkeys have gone to a distant cardon, because competition for large producers

          Eh ... Whoever tasted boiled homemade chicken, fattened with wheat and corn, will confirm that there is nothing tastier in this world. What kind of agricultural holdings are there!
          1. +3
            6 July 2023 21: 07
            Quote: depressant
            Eh ... Whoever tasted boiled homemade chicken, fattened with wheat and corn, will confirm that there is nothing tastier in this world. What kind of agricultural holdings are there!

            My grandfather singeed them on straw, on a pitchfork, after which there was such a smell during cooking in the whole house that I think Lucullus would have choked with envy.
    3. +4
      6 July 2023 08: 36
      will not ensure the preservation of corned beef without spices.

      My grandmother made lamb corned beef, using not spices, but saltpeter, which helped to keep even the color, otherwise the meat turned gray.
    4. +6
      6 July 2023 09: 56
      As related to refrigeration and freezing of fish, 18 degrees is not a panacea. Glazing with water is required, first the fish is frozen, then it is lowered into cold water, the crust freezes. Now the briquette with fish is wrapped in a plastic bag. oxidation process. A couple of months without glazing - it’s no longer possible. We worked for the Japanese - 18 is a minimum, glazing with water and wrapping in polyethylene is a must. It’s the same with meat, they took a couple of tons of chickens in the hold in bulk to feed the crew - after two months, chickens "died." Without spices, it is impossible to eat, but still they threw it out after receiving a new supply.
      1. +3
        6 July 2023 10: 34
        As connected with refrigeration and freezing of fish - 18 degrees is not a panacea. Glazing with water is required, first the fish is frozen, then it is lowered into cold water, the crust freezes. Now the briquette with fish is wrapped in a plastic bag.

        I buy without glaze, single freezing at -35, chum salmon, sockeye salmon or coho salmon in the chain stores Red Caviar of the Sakhalin Fish company, Sakhalin and Kamchatka fish. Stored at -18 for 12 months, vacuum packed. With such a deep freeze, even parasites are destroyed. When defrosting, there is practically no water, unlike glazed, where 20 percent of the weight goes to ice. I don’t buy in glaze anymore, neither fish nor shrimp.
        1. +5
          6 July 2023 11: 29
          Glazing is a thing of the past, now only bags. Vacuum packaging on trawlers is not acceptable - this is the lot of processing on the shore. Can you imagine freezing 150-200 tons per day in vacuum packaging on a trawler? Glazing at sea is used only for the expensive end product - fillet and cod liver.
          1. +3
            6 July 2023 15: 23
            .Vacuum packaging on trawlers is not acceptable - this is the fate of processing on the shore.

            Yes, I mixed it up, the packaging is ordinary, but the fish is frozen individually and on the packaging there is a label with the inscription "The products are made in the sea of ​​piece freezing."
    5. +9
      6 July 2023 10: 59
      Quote: Grossvater
      Lord, why can't you think first and then write!

      Golden words!
      It is strange, however, that you, while urging the author to "think", yourself, nevertheless, apparently do not bother yourself with this occupation.
      Quote: Grossvater
      Well, medieval Europeans did not know how to keep cattle in winter. So they killed her.

      And in the spring they gave birth to a new one.
      Quote: Grossvater
      The meat was salted.

      Well, it happened that they salted. Although it was in the Middle Ages that the practice of salting meat was not widespread, this is rather a matter of modern times. They salted the fish, and preferred to keep the meat alive - it is so fresh.
      Quote: Grossvater
      The glacier, by the way, is not a panacea at all, God forbid if it provides minus three, five degrees.

      Have you been to a glacier? If there were, then such nonsense would not be written.
      The temperature in the glacier is positive. Low but positive.
      Quote: Grossvater
      The extreme high cost of exotic spices was determined by the fact that without them it’s just tryndets, there will be nothing to eat in winter and spring.

      I wonder why then the bread was not distinguished by "extremely high cost"? Without it, there is nothing more to eat ... They explained to you why the spices were expensive - mainly because of the difficulties of delivery.
      If you, as you urge, had thought, and even better, first read the relevant literature on this issue, then you would not have written nonsense, and we would have been spared the need to read and answer them.
      1. +3
        6 July 2023 11: 17
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        And in the spring they gave birth to a new one.

        Good afternoon Mikhail,
        of course, cattle were not slaughtered for the winter, but in fairness it should be said that serious problems with feeding it in winter really existed: there was a story that relatively recently, by spring, the cattle were so weak from underfeeding that they tied it up in the stall so that it would not fall if if it falls, that's all, it will die, and so it usually held out. I can't say how true this is, but that's what I've heard. hi
        1. +4
          6 July 2023 16: 50
          Greetings, Sergey.
          Feeding cattle in winter is a different story. What, whom and at what time to feed is a whole science. It also happened that it was not possible to prepare food for the winter and the cattle really had to be slaughtered. But only a part, and the least valuable. And yet it was considered a big nuisance.
      2. +1
        6 July 2023 20: 45
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        Well, it happened that they salted. Although it was in the Middle Ages that the practice of salting meat was not widespread, this is rather a matter of modern times. They salted the fish, and preferred to keep the meat alive - it is so fresh.

        Salt was also expensive, and after wet salting the fish, the brine was not poured out, but reused.
  3. +6
    6 July 2023 08: 25
    By the way, for the first time I learned and laughed a lot about this:
    Due to rivalry in the sale of imported spices, wars even broke out in Europe, in particular between Venice and Genoa. Venice, by the way, won, and thanks to the spice trade, it became quite a powerful political force in Europe at that time.


    Here it is, the struggle for monopoly!
    And then I thought that a lot of blood had been shed. For peppers and cloves from the packets that I have in the box.
    Thank God, even though laurel has been growing in Europe since time immemorial.
    1. +6
      6 July 2023 09: 14
      laurel has been growing in Europe for centuries
      Every year I stock up on bay leaves and rosemary in my mother-in-law's garden for a whole year. And so - quite a lot of spices grow in Europe, and overseas pepper is not so necessary, so it really was "show-offs" then, you can cook deliciously without them. And if hunting is spicy - mustard with horseradish (in a mixture), they have been doing this in England since medieval times - it’s quite spicy Yes . And the preservative properties of capsaicin and piperine are greatly exaggerated.
      1. +4
        6 July 2023 09: 39
        overseas pepper, well, it’s not so necessary, so it’s really “show-offs” then they were, you can cook deliciously without them.

        Your words, Alex, prompted the thought - what is the difference between hunger and appetite?
        Probably, hunger is the need of the body, requiring replenishment of depleted resources. Appetite is the pampering of an unbalanced organism, when food smells so delicious that you can eat it endlessly until you burst. And often the aroma and taste are determined by spices.
        Here they talk about their medicinal properties, but for some reason it seems that they, spices, are rather intended to stimulate appetite as a need for food in sick people who often do not have such a need.
        1. +5
          6 July 2023 09: 47
          How is hunger different from appetite?
          The levels of need to eat something, I guess. And so the question is quite a philosophical one.
          spices, rather, are intended to stimulate appetite
          I tend to believe that spices / spices make the process of eating food more interesting - they bring new sensations to a fairly boring activity in every sense.
          1. +2
            6 July 2023 11: 09
            I tend to believe that spices / spices make the process of eating food more interesting - they bring new sensations to a fairly boring activity in every sense.

            Spices clogged the bad smell of "ripened" meat
          2. +2
            6 July 2023 12: 31
            the process of absorbing food more interesting - they bring new sensations to a fairly boring activity in every sense.

            wassat )))
            And I would say so.

            The process of eating is a boring occupation.
            1. +5
              6 July 2023 13: 03
              The process of eating is a boring occupation.
              Can be boring "meal" wassat , but the food is never boring!.
      2. +4
        6 July 2023 11: 03
        And if hunting is spicy - mustard with horseradish

        I always add horseradish mustard to okroshka as a catalyst. the flavor bouquet of kvass becomes more saturated
  4. +8
    6 July 2023 08: 28
    Quote: depressant
    I remember that I lived for a year in the Kuban with my grandmother.
    The pig was slaughtered in winter. I don’t remember how much meat they kept for themselves, but my grandmother went to Armavir several times to sell it. There was a cellar, and there were potatoes in it)))
    But chickens, geese and turkeys - countless!
    Saturday gave milk, sour cream was obtained from separated cream.
    About spices, except for bay leaves and peppercorns, they had no idea. And all the Kuban were long-livers. I don't know how now


    And my great-grandmother and grandmother lived not far from Bolshoi Boldino, mushroom forests all around. Accordingly, in the cellar, in addition to potatoes, there were barrels of salted mushrooms, white and black milk mushrooms, mushrooms, and of course barrels of sauerkraut and soaked Antonov apples, there was also a barrel of corned beef, by the way, saltpeter was used. Grandmother, in winter, with a suitcase of lamb went to her father-in-law in Gorky, he worked as a cutter in the market, rented in bulk. In the glacier, behind the wall, respectively, sour cream, milk. In the garden there was a so-called mud hut, a summer house, a frame made of logs, and walls made of intertwined branches, smeared with clay, with one window. Bunches of dried porcini mushrooms and various dried herbs, St. John's wort, immortelle hung in the hut. The spices that were used were dill, horseradish, mint, oregano and, of course, currant leaf, and, of course, onion with garlic. And this was enough to prepare a rather monotonous meal, but very tasty.
    Compared to the Kuban one, the land was one sand, they didn’t even keep cows, they were only on a collective farm, they only kept Romanov sheep and goats, goats cleared bushes, and sheep, unlike cows, didn’t pull grass with roots, but cut it off and sandy soil kept the top layer of the earth, the wool from the sheep was sheared with large scissors, the skins were handed over to the consumer union, the meat was sold .. And with such land there were no famines, the forest and rivers always fed our people. And how delicious the pies with viburnum were, the smell was not good from them, but the taste was magnificent, but the most delicacy was wild strawberry jam ... Somehow they managed without overseas spices. It was later, in the institute hostel, that I tasted real vanilla from a friend from Madagascar , the branches were constantly in the sugar bowl, the Hungarian neighbor had paprika all the time, a friend from Sri Lanka helped to master hot spices, by the way, he still pampers when I visit him, he became a Russian, after 15 years in Canada, he says he returned to his homeland.
    1. +4
      6 July 2023 09: 23
      I thought and thought I forgot and remembered. Poppy, my grandmother grew it later in the country, there were always poppy boxes in the kitchen, the buns were always sprinkled with poppy seeds, but after she saw the cuts on the boxes, she asked me, well, I said that some drug addict climbed in and collected juice, she destroyed "poppy crops", this was back in Soviet times.
    2. +5
      6 July 2023 11: 31
      I have tried salted milk mushrooms only once in my life. Bought 100 gr. in St. Petersburg on Porokhovaya - at a street fair of folk crafts in a monastery tent. I could not resist - I specially bought a 100-gram funfyrik and a disposable cup. And on a bench under mushrooms .... To taste, milk mushrooms are somewhat reminiscent of our waves, only stronger, right up to a crunch
      1. +6
        6 July 2023 11: 38
        From Nei specially brought. In a big bank. Kostroma region. One of the centers for harvesting milk mushrooms.
      2. +5
        6 July 2023 11: 59
        The taste of milk mushrooms is somewhat reminiscent of our waves, only stronger, right up to the crunch


        We didn’t collect the waves from us precisely because of the friability. I even liked black milk mushrooms, blackies, more, they were collected no more than 3-4 cm in diameter, the smaller the better, they called them puplets. Ryzhiki is also a hard mushroom, it crunches. And the grandmother will shake off the russula, squeeze it into a fist, squeeze out the juice, salt and make a sandwich with bread, such a snack in the forest. I have never heard of anyone in those parts getting poisoned by mushrooms. Among the locals, all other mushrooms like champignons, pigs, valuev were considered poisonous, and if they took boletus and boletus, then they took it for roasting. They didn’t even collect honey mushrooms with butternuts.
  5. +6
    6 July 2023 09: 33
    Quote: Richard
    And such a folk spice as "Gorloder" - tomatoes rubbed through a meat grinder for the winter with garlic and basil must have been in every Soviet house!

    Tomatoes began to appear in gardens in central Russia after the war, and Khrenoder even later, with horseradish, the most popular spice in Rus' after dill. And there is nothing tastier than barrel pickles and tomatoes in the world, of course, not black caviar, but an indispensable snack like salted milk mushrooms or mushrooms. The healthiest food is fermented food.
    1. +2
      6 July 2023 11: 11
      Tomatoes began to appear in gardens in central Russia after the war,

      So Lyudmila Yakovlevna was born after the war, and she wrote that as a child in the Kuban about spices, except for bay leaves and peppercorns, she had no idea.
    2. +2
      6 July 2023 11: 39
      The healthiest food is fermented food.

      While serving in the north, I just fell in love with the local Selkup dumplings with fish, wild mushrooms and sauerkraut!
      1. +4
        6 July 2023 12: 32
        While serving in the north, I just fell in love with the local Selkup dumplings with fish, wild mushrooms and sauerkraut!

        No need to chase spices. The best food for a person is what his ancestors ate, digestion is tuned by age-old traditions. Therefore, I do not like olive oil, I prefer our sunflower oil with a smell, I can not stand Mediterranean cuisine. By the way, there was a story with my classmate, a Syrian from Latakia, from the Mediterranean coast, he was invited by a girl to stay in her Arkhangelsk village, he went ... he arrived with round eyes and delight in those round eyes, he says I won’t eat oranges now, just fell in love with our pickles, cloudberries, cranberries, lingonberries, mushrooms, a bathhouse and moonshine with fish soup. You can't see a face face to face ... We should value our own, and we ... croutons ... smoothies ... cola ... Ugh. Of course, not to the extremes like Sterligov, but .. I recently read about the uselessness of potatoes .. Tonya Kislitsyna is not on you, nutritionists-proctologists. "..Again, caviar ..." as Vereshchagin said, he would have found stronger words about the uselessness of potatoes.
  6. +3
    6 July 2023 10: 32
    Wow, what interesting stuff. Thanks a lot to the author, I read it with great pleasure and rewrote something in my memory. :)
  7. +6
    6 July 2023 10: 51

    But how will you eat herring without vodka? wink
    1. +3
      6 July 2023 15: 22
      Well, here I am - a fanatical consumer of herring without vodka wassat )))
      And, as it should be in a good society, you can not get around the weather in a conversation.
      Well, what kind of climate we have - either a furious cold, or a heat of 28 degrees! I'm waiting for the night. A heated house, due to the meanness of architecture, will begin to give off heat inside! Will I weld?
      1. +6
        6 July 2023 16: 14
        Good afternoon, Luda! love
        We are already over thirty, though the house is cool. But still, we crawl along with the cat like boiled. And before night...
        1. +4
          6 July 2023 18: 18
          Hello Kostya!
          As always, we pleased with a set of life hacks for the occasion.
          I don’t have a dog, you can’t take yourself in a stroller, but an aquarium on your head is the very thing! I saw one in our pet store, tweak it a bit and it's ready to use! wassat )))
      2. -1
        6 July 2023 16: 57
        Quote: depressant
        I am a fanatical consumer of herring without vodka

        How about the classic?
        ...such people are either seriously ill or secretly hate others... wink
        1. +3
          6 July 2023 18: 08
          What if the person is really sick? Didn't it cross your mind?
          Minus from me.
          1. +1
            6 July 2023 19: 05
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Minus from me

            Did you remember your childhood?
            And from me too...
            1. +2
              6 July 2023 19: 50
              Did you remember your childhood?

              I remember evrything.
              And from me too...

              Yes please. laughing
        2. +1
          6 July 2023 18: 19
          It is a sin to laugh at sick people.
          1. +3
            6 July 2023 19: 05
            On this occasion, I have already answered one "humorist".
            What if the person is really sick? Didn't it cross your mind?
            Minus from me.
        3. +3
          6 July 2023 18: 21
          . How about the classic?

          Oooh, what a blatant hint!
          In the hanged man's house they don't talk about rope! wassat )))
  8. +2
    6 July 2023 11: 05
    Good afternoon! hi
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for the article!
    Your absence is somehow unusual, Vyacheslav Olegovich, in the comments ...
    PS I remember that you went on vacation.
    I just got used to the fact that I read your article, and under it - and your comments.
    Have a good rest, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
  9. +2
    6 July 2023 15: 27
    By the way, it is known that the emperor Nero, prone to unreasonably grand gestures, burned a year's supply of cinnamon at his wife's funeral in honor of the gods.
  10. +7
    6 July 2023 21: 22
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, in my opinion, brother Martin (illustration 2) is not engaged in salt, in my opinion he has a sieve in his hand, flour in the basket. It looks like he's sifting flour.
    Dear comrades on the site, for some reason no one remembered sorrel, mountain ash, bird cherry, juniper, blueberries, lingonberries, blueberries, cloudberries and cranberries. Lingonberries and cranberries, due to acids, go with meat and sauerkraut. Since my homeland is the southern coast of the White Sea, our farming zone is painfully risky, instead of tomatoes, my wife adds grated carrots to grated horseradish for the winter.
    Dear tralflot1832 (Andrey S.), describing the cutting of capelin, made me remember the sushchik. I read about him only in the books of Anatoly Onegov, Onegov calls the product a dryer, but he describes the surroundings of Kargopol (Arkhangelsk region) and Pudozh (Karelia). True, in Onegov's recipe, the fish was not salted. I was taught how to cook sushchik in 1978 in the Plesetsk district of the Arkhangelsk region by two brothers - natives of the village of Tserkovnoye (now on the territory of the ZATO Mirny). Soroga (roach) seine took more than 150 kg, salted for 6 hours. Then they "flogged" the fish: they put the fish on the cutting table on the right side with the tail towards you. With the first movement from the tail, the scales were removed with a knife, the fish was turned over, put on the left side with the abdomen to the right, with the second movement from the tail, the scales were removed to the head, then by moving the knife down, the abdomen was ripped open, with the movement upwards, the insides were pulled out and thrown up and to the right, and the fish in the basin under the table . At this time, the adobe oven for drying fish, which stands under a canopy right on the shore of the commercial lake, is heated. As the stove is heated, and all the fish is “flogged”, washed in the lake 3-4 times, the fish is placed on pallets woven from pine shingles - and in the stove swept from coals with pine broom. At Onegov, fish is placed in the oven on straw, in addition to perches and roach, he describes a dryer made of pike and smelt ... Fish shrinks from 5 kg - 1 kg of dryer. You can then store as crackers for years. I threw two handfuls of sushchik into a saucepan or pot, 3-5 potatoes, 3-4 peas of black pepper, a couple of leaves of parsley and a little salt. And you can gnaw dry okushkas or a roach like crackers with sweet tea. So they took the sushchik for haymaking, if they went far from the village, it is light, unlike canned food .... Interestingly, in Europe, the fish was dried in ovens or only dried, salted and smoked?
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      6 July 2023 21: 48
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      So they took a sushchik for haymaking, if they went far from the village, it is light, unlike canned food ...

      Light, then yes, I only had the book "Nutrition for tourists on a hike", there was a table, in percent of the edible product of the total weight. Dried fish had the largest percentage of inedible of its total weight. Before the Second World War, she was part of the rations of the Red Army, but following the results of the Finnish, she was abandoned. But they took vodka and lard. Yes, what kind of stoves are there in Europe, one laugh. And we have inside Russian stoves and washed, arranging a bath.
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      7 July 2023 01: 56
      Since my homeland is the southern coast of the White Sea, our farming zone is too risky, instead of tomatoes, my wife adds grated carrots to grated horseradish for the winter.

      Thanks - I'm interested. Will definitely have to try
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    6 July 2023 22: 34
    Aviator_ (Sergey), dear, Under the USSR, hot Estonian guys added Novost washing powder to draft beer in a kiosk. There was no chemical smell, but foam! The surplus in the car - a tank on the basis of the "Gazon" is either 100 or 150 liters, I don’t remember exactly because of the prescription of years.
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    6 July 2023 22: 43
    Mordvin 3 (Vladimir), dear, I agree about the dried one. In dry fish, especially in horned (unlike perch, it is immediately cleaned of scales remarkably) or, as Onegov writes about smelt, they are even smaller, and the tail, and fins, and bones, unlike dried fish, are eaten, a non-waste product ... Although, on the nuclear submarine (that can carry a lot of products, it’s not possible to pull through the taiga in the back or pester) and today both sabrefish and dried roach are on the way.
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      7 July 2023 00: 01
      Well, I’m from the city, I dry it on the balcony, I add a little sugar to the salt, I keep it under pressure for a couple of days, 10 percent sugar, so it becomes softer and tastier, then I wash it under running cold water for a couple of hours, so that it’s as if it were lightly salted, I hang it for tails. I read this recipe in a Fisherman's magazine in the 80s. Picked from a bunch of others. Liked. My dad also fished in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the 70s, as if he also knew how to salt fish, but he also admitted that it tastes better with sugar.
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        7 July 2023 01: 21
        Quote: mordvin xnumx
        Well, I’m from the city, I dry it on the balcony, I add a little sugar to the salt, I keep it under pressure for a couple of days, 10 percent sugar, so it becomes softer and tastier, then I wash it under running cold water for a couple of hours, so that it’s as if it were lightly salted, I hang it for tails. I read this recipe in a Fisherman's magazine in the 80s. Picked from a bunch of others. Liked. My dad also fished in the Sea of ​​Okhotsk in the 70s, as if he also knew how to salt fish, but he also admitted that it tastes better with sugar.

        Among Kamchadals, dry salting of salmon (from chinook salmon to pink salmon) was sprinkled on fish layers with a mixture in the proportion of 2 tablespoons of salt (coarsely ground, or 3 tablespoons to make it denser) per 1 tablespoon of sugar. Sugar fixes the muscle fibers of the fish, prevents them from stiffening from salt, and promotes fermentation.
        I liked the salt-frozen fillet of large halibut fillet more. In the central part of the Sea of ​​Okhotsk, coalfish is caught as a by-catch, which is tasty when cold smoked.
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    9 July 2023 19: 21
    As always, great article, thanks!
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    13 July 2023 20: 43
    The spicy middle ages have been dismantled - now it's time to dismantle the drunk? laughing
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    13 October 2023 08: 41
    people of the medieval era were not fools at all and were excellent at keeping food fresh.
    I cannot but agree that the people of the Middle Ages were not fools. The author, on the contrary,... The presence of a refrigerator in the kitchen apparently powerfully depresses the humanitarian brain) You see, being able to preserve meat and having the opportunity to do so are far from the same thing) The creation of glaciers on the territory of Spain, Portugal, and in general the entire Mediterranean is colliding with encountered some difficulties. Apparently completely unknown to the respected author.
    Well, really, how could he know about the average temperatures there!) Of course, the rulers and high aristocracy could order the delivery of ice from the mountains. The cost of this delivery was simply astronomical) Well, such things as pepper, saffron, cloves, etc. They simply ARE PRESERVATIVES. Weak, of course, but still working. Not everything needs to be salted, and there was never enough salt either.
    Well, since you can’t do without pepper, given the chronic lack of animal proteins, I had to fall in love with it.
    Damn, how many times have I promised myself not to read these highly sensible arguments...