Prigozhin promised to pay 50 million rubles for the Il-22 control and relay plane shot down by Wagner PMC fighters

The air command post based on the Il-22 aircraft was shot down near Voronezh by a fighter of the Wagner PMC, this was admitted by the curator of the Orchestra, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

The Russian military control and relay aircraft Il-22, which did not inflict any strikes on the columns of the PMC "Wagner", was indeed shot down by the fighters of the "Orchestra", this was admitted by Prigozhin. According to him, the plane in the Voronezh region was shot down "by mistake", and it was done by a "fool air defense officer" who was following in one of the columns. Thus, ten people died and the Ministry of Defense lost the plane.

The fool pvoshnik in the column shot down everything that took off

- Prigozhin answered the question about the downed plane.

The curator of PMC "Wagner" promised to compensate for the damage by paying 5 million rubles to the families of those who died as a result of the "mistake" of a PMC fighter. In total, Prigozhin is ready to pay 50 million rubles for a plane hit by MANPADS. The Ministry of Defense did not comment on the loss of the aircraft. In general, the military department did not disseminate any information about the loss of military equipment as a result of attacks on the Orchestra columns.

Also, the "musicians" shot down two helicopters in the Voronezh region, these are data confirmed by various sources. The first helicopter was shot down on Saturday morning near the village of Elizavetovka in the Pavlovsk region, the second was hit near the village of Filonovo in the Boguchar region. In both cases, the rotorcraft crews survived. In addition, four more helicopters were shot down, but there is less information on them.

The Ministry of Defense has not yet reported who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns, which ended with the loss of six helicopters and one aircraft. The Russian army did not suffer such one-time losses even from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Comments

[Paul Siebert]

Well what can I say?
Remember how they said in the movie "Highlander"?

[Alister kroulegg]

Joseph announced today that he is changing his surname

[isv000]

Quote: Alister Kroulegg

Joseph announced today that he is changing his surname

What he after this Joseph?! Yosya, Baba Yosya...

[krot]

Prigogine Judas. He is haunted that the Sumerian counteroffensive was defeated without him, although he boasted that everything was lost .. He buried our pilots and at the same time the glorious name of Wagner .. Hang a traitor ..

[Clear]

Quote: krot

Prigogine Judas. He is haunted that the Sumerian counteroffensive was defeated without him, although he boasted that everything was lost .. He buried our pilots and at the same time the glorious name of Wagner .. Hang a traitor ..

Yes, he did business because of his ambitions, in a difficult time for Russia.

[Oleg Bagaev]

And who are the minuses that the person said wrong!?

[Vadim S]

There is a whole cohort of pennies dissatisfied with life here. They are always dissatisfied with everything and everyone, even if they throw out a little with a poke at the minus, they don’t have long left .....

[Kapany3]

Yes, it’s more like a shkolota to beat on the buttons. And about "not long left" you yourself will be there before, undergrowth.

[uncle Vlad]

And you are a boy and you are sitting at the computer in Lviv, or in Warsaw.?

[Vadim S]

We are sleeping waiters! And we are waiting for the right moment, we are terribly many and we are closer than you think;)

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Surprising number of minuses. It was about the same with Yeltsin. The same was a demagogue and a populist. For a normal person, everything is immediately clear, but the fans were furious. Now Prigogine's fans are just as mad. It is rightly said that the earth is full of fools.

[Alex777]

Quote: isv000

What he after this Joseph?! Yosya, Baba Yosya...

[Terenin]

Quote: Paul Siebert

Well what can I say?
Remember how they said in the movie "Highlander"?

And what kind of weirdo is this? Doppelgänger or what? Not like that

[Ilya-spb]

I, as an inhabitant, will say: Shoigu is also good at goose ... Where is he?

Why is silent?

And then the rebel Prigozhin gets everything ...

I have a philistine question .... How is it that a whole division almost drove up to Moscow ... And there were no reserves to block the road ...

[Alister kroulegg]

What do you want to hear from Shoigu and Gerasimov? They, too, will repeat after the Guarantor that this is a mutiny, there were no strikes against Wagner's rear units. And why are you doing this performance?
And the "whole division" reached Moscow, because no one stopped it. The Kremlin does not trust the military, so it did not use them.
Here he trusts the Kadyrovtsy, they were quickly thrown from the front

[Ilya-spb]

Did you and I drink brotherhood, a user with the nickname of a Satanist?

[Alister kroulegg]

What a fine mental organization, like a freshman girl, easily injured

[Scaffold]

The Satanist's name was Aleister Crowley, if anything. And that was his pseudonym.

[Novichek]

. I, as an inhabitant, will say: Shoigu is also good at goose ... Where is he?

. Until now, he is silent, because in this story, d ...... com was not only an air defense specialist, but a whole wagon ran over fools in this muddy story. And I'm not at all in the sense of the number of fighters among the musicians, here d ... cancer sat on a fool and drove a fool! This is the very idea of ​​\u1000b\uXNUMXbto storm Moscow - is it not idiocy! ?? If you want to "remove" a couple of pike perches from the General Staff, then send a special squad - snipers there, or some other specialists, for example, explosives, and most importantly - without noise, turn everything quietly, and then no extra victims, no mess! If you want to make a palace coup, then do it in the palace, and not XNUMX km away, start shouting: "I'm coming at you !!!", "Hold me a hundred thousand people !!!". And I’m generally silent about the reaction of officials , from these nothing else and it was pointless to wait!

[carpenter]

Quote: Novichek)

! It's the idea itself to storm Moscow - isn't it idiocy !?

And who told you that they went to Moscow by storm. So Trump was credited with storming the Capitol.

[January]

Quote: Novichek)

. I, as an inhabitant, will say: Shoigu is also good at goose ... Where is he?

. Until now, he is silent, because in this story, d ...... com was not only an air defense specialist, but a whole wagon ran over fools in this muddy story. And I'm not at all in the sense of the number of fighters among the musicians, here d ... cancer sat on a fool and drove a fool! This is the very idea of ​​\u1000b\uXNUMXbto storm Moscow - is it not idiocy! ?? If you want to "remove" a couple of pike perches from the General Staff, then send a special squad - snipers there, or some other specialists, for example, explosives, and most importantly - without noise, turn everything quietly, and then no extra victims, no mess! If you want to make a palace coup, then do it in the palace, and not XNUMX km away, start shouting: "I'm coming at you !!!", "Hold me a hundred thousand people !!!". And I’m generally silent about the reaction of officials , from these nothing else and it was pointless to wait!

This whole trip initially looks like a circus. May Day demonstration. Well, ok, if they reached Moscow, then what? Stand under the Kremlin and shout "Leopold, come out"? Or to announce that "power is changing"?
Either this is a gesture of desperation, senseless and merciless, or we simply didn’t see what the magician was really doing while watching his hands .....

[Deon59]

If Ukrainians rush through Belgorod in the amount of 10, who will stop them

[Sanather]

You will stop. Your neighbor with sciatica. Unknown boy of senior school age.

[carpenter]

Quote: Ilya-spb

I, as an inhabitant, will say: Shoigu is also good at goose ... Where is he?

Why is silent?

And then the rebel Prigozhin gets everything.

And what can I say to him, because Bakhmut is over - Wagner is no longer needed. And the generals from the MoD did everything possible to push this PMC out of their battle formations to hell. At the same time, try to squeeze a very profitable business from Prigogine. 
But really, why would he? PMC Wagner is a real force. Armed. Under the control of whoever, some businessman. He is not their berry. The military has no confidence in him. They imposed it on them - OK, they endured it. But the deed is done, so leave, but leave the guns. And people who know how to use them. Yes, but for these people, who have a different system of subordination than in the army, and a different hierarchy, but for people serving sentences, then any officer, for no "cop."
Therefore, the Defense Ministry will not succeed, the guns will be returned to them, but the Russian high-ranking "Mwanzo" will not succeed in business, they are not a caste of businessmen.

[AAK]

On the one hand, the absolutely correct conclusion is "The Moor has done his job, the Moor must leave ..." As for other reasons and some conclusions, I believe that everything is somewhat different. For all the time of the NWO, there have been several stages of serious military operations, where heroism and military skill were shown by individual units: the 1st episode is Gostomel and the heroic actions of the Airborne Forces, absolutely deserved fame and wide notification on TV. Episode 2 - Mariupol, where Chechen units and parts of the corps of the NM of the DPR proved to be heroes, which was also very widely covered in the press. Episode 3 - Artyomovsk / Bakhmut - "Wagner" has already distinguished itself here. Of the 3 episodes - the Russian army in only one, this is Gostomel. From Gostomel, as well as from 5 other regions of the north and northeast of Ukraine, the army left, and from near Kharkov, Izyum, Barvenkovo, Kupyansk and Krasny Liman - it didn’t even leave, but draped. Then muddy with Kherson. All these negative aspects, as well as the grossest mistakes of the command of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation in the initial period of the NMD, were directly connected by the people and the media with the blatant incompetence of Gerasimov and especially Shoigu, and, frankly, they did not add authority to his daughter-in-law. And then there is the grain deal with the direct participation of Shoigu and his sitting at the end of the table with Drug Erdogan and the UN Secretary General, that is, the image of the personnel generals of the RF Armed Forces, and above all the Ministry of Education and the National Guard, fell below the plinth. For a year now, the people have been demanding their lynching and nailing scalps on the Spassky gates of the Kremlin, but the Guarantor of the sidekick refused to throw under the ax, motivating with all sorts of nonsense, and in general he didn’t try to climb into the ministerial and General Staff kitchens, that is, how the Commander-in-Chief showed himself in no way, from the word at all .
And so the Shoigu-Prigozhin conflict began to rock in the press, the so-called. the "shell question", and then small skirmishes began between the military personnel of the RF Armed Forces and the "Wagners", and, as it were, most of the people and the media were on the side of the "Wagners" - like the only unit that normally fights for half a year, and its minister defense is not like sticks, but shafts are inserted into the wheels ... that is, Shoigu was lowered even lower, and the Garant was still silent ...
That is, after a month from the beginning of the SVO and until recently, all the negativity was associated with the Minister of Defense - the incompetence of the generals, lies about 75% of new weapons in the SV, a catastrophic shortage of communications and drones, corruption and theft, all mobilization failures and conflicts, complete impotence at the front, etc. ... and here the applause, turning into an ovation, is not even in the direction of Kadyrov (but to put pressure on him, despite the rather impartial criticism, Shoigu frankly bzdit, and Kadyrov is a lieutenant general in the National Guard, as well as the forces supervised by him, therefore they are, as it were, under a different department ...), and in the direction of the private owner-"restaurateur" Prigozhin with his PMC, here, in my opinion, Shoigu had a feeling of unwillingness to finally lose the status of "Beloved Padishah's wife", at first he screwed on the "projectile valve", then small skirmishes followed, then Prigozhinsky's ultimatum to leave the positions without supplies of ammunition followed, the swing began, it seemed that the noise subsided, Artyomovsk was released, the "Wagner" went to the rear to rest and reorganize , but then something happened called "a blow to the Wagner rear camps", after which Prigozhin already went peddling and all-in ... but still managed to avoid a lot of blood, and the Guarantor of the "sidekick" did not give up his moral I also didn’t make any pluses for myself, because But father spread the “arrow”, which greatly increased his rating, primarily in the eyes of the citizens of Russia ... Yes, the striped pants tolerated the “Wagners”, but at least a little bit understanding people saw and understood everything, moreover, the mood in society regarding the command of the RF Armed Forces actually somehow resembled the year of commercials in 1916 ... As a result, but this is only my opinion - with their stupidity and cowardice, Shoigu and Gerasimov not only completely lost the remnants of authority in the troops on the front line, but and already for a significant part of the officers and even for some of the most worthy generals ... Well, the Guarantor has also thrown dirt into his karma and his year 2024 is very questionable. Notice that neither in Rostov-on-Don, nor in other places, the people of the "Wagners" booed or cursed, but there were clashes of groups from among mainly "who for ...", but, I repeat, people talked to the "Wagners" , they tried to convince of something, but there was no hatred and contempt, and the almost complete absence of resistance (not counting the first attack from the Air Force) also makes the powers that be draw very impartial conclusions, we have already made all possible conclusions ...

[Two]

Episode 2 - Mariupol, where the Chechen units and parts of the corps of the NM of the DPR proved to be heroes, which was also very widely covered in the press. No, the heroes there were units of the Marine Corps of the Russian Federation who took everything.

[Alister kroulegg]

DPR and marines in Mariupol. It was from the battles in Mariupol that Chechens began to be called tiktok troops for staged videos of the battles

[Alister kroulegg]

https://dzen.ru/video/watch/62472e78a8735a2c2662c918?share_to=link

[Above_name]

And the alleged mining by the Russian forces of Wagner's escape routes is a fake?

[Kapany3]

I read the comment to the middle and gave up - complete nonsense. What do you think, in these (no doubt heroic) three episodes, the Russian army did not participate at all, which is complete nonsense. Any offensive relies on the rear, neighbors on the flanks and air support, artillery engineers, etc. And you want to say that all this (actually many times more) is in service with Chechens or Wagners?

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Zadolbali with your real power. There the cat wept for professionals. Yes, and they do not know how to fight with the army. Wagner's losses were the largest in recent times, accounting for 50% of Russia's losses. This is according to the White House. Therefore, Prigogine has been freaking out lately. And they were supplied with shells. There was a topic about how a Ukrainian shared his experience of sitting in Artyomovsk. So he assured that the losses were from artillery. Didn't mention Wagner

[Vladislav_2]

he grazes deer in the pasture ... he is a reindeer herder!

[raw174]

Quote: Ilya-spb

I have a philistine question .... How is it that a whole division almost drove up to Moscow ... And there were no reserves to block the road ...

I wouldn’t be surprised if in the high offices of the General Staff, some astrakhan heads huddled under the table and cried hysterically ...
This case showed that our bureaucratized defense and law enforcement machine is so inert that real actions would only begin to be taken by Tuesday, from the ZKP, somewhere in the middle Urals ...
Again, Prigozhin used the enemy’s method for the march, hiding behind civilians, along highways and in the city, in such a situation, the RF Armed Forces could not use aircraft, MLRS and so on. Fortunately, there were no civilian aircraft nearby, they would burn out "... over there, in the landing ..."
Of course, the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation (as well as among other security officials) is full of assholes, elderly infantiles who walk, kiss on the lips and remember past scores, but this is not a reason to revolt, in the midst of an attack by an external enemy ...

[Egg]

Quote: raw174

Again, Prigozhin used the enemy’s method for the march, hiding behind civilians, along highways and in the city, in such a situation, the RF Armed Forces could not use aircraft, MLRS and so on

https://t.me/c/1549187175/1188783
Do you see the Wagners in this column?
There are still questions why the flyers were shot down?

[Nord11]

There is Prigozhin, the owner of Wagner, and this is Prigozhin, the owner of Varerka ..

[GGV]

Are you from Russia? I very rarely watch TV, I don’t watch pop concerts for 15 years at all, but I regularly see Prigozhin (Joseph who) in the news, even when I heard about Prigozhin for the first time (even there the bulk were not happy with him, I was even surprised, why didn’t Yosya please them?)

[Aag]

Not everyone only)) appreciated your trolling, banter, sophistication ...

[Clear]

Quote: Terenin

Quote: Paul Siebert

Well what can I say?
Remember how they said in the movie "Highlander"?

And what kind of weirdo is this? Doppelgänger or what? Not like that

No, Gena, judging by the behavior, and this sneakiness is more - a tee

[Alien From]

Highlander with his plot just resting here. So much heaped up in two days, without a ton of vodka you can’t figure it out. People are sorry, politics is a merciless thing. Personally, I didn't understand...

[carpenter]

Quote: Alien From

People are sorry, politics is a merciless thing. Personally, I didn't understand...

All Prigogine's hysteria is from the fact that he was squeezed out of business. He had no legal means to counteract this, since the contract clearly stipulates a clause on complete non-disclosure of the terms of the contract. That is why Prigozhin never once said the phrase: "In accordance with the contract, the Moscow Region is obliged to provide ..., provide ..., and so on according to the list." No, Prigozhin whined about shells and flanks. 
And when I realized that the business was being put on the counter, I went all-in — i.e. into a direct and noisy conflict with the Moscow Region in order to get through to Putin. Only he did not take into account one small fact - Putin is the Supreme Commander. That is, he is also part of the military hierarchy system. He thinks like a soldier. He acts like a soldier. It is easier for Putin to negotiate with the military than with a businessman who thinks something about himself. But the military has everything exactly on paper, and they did not violate the charters. So Prigogine's affairs were initially so-so. 

[Sanichsan]

Quote: carpenter

All Prigogine's hysteria is from the fact that he was squeezed out of business.

is this his type? created under the auspices of Putin and under his patronage, otherwise they would have received heavy weapons. Prigozhin was appointed manager there, and he imagined himself to be the owner.

Quote: carpenter

That is why Prigozhin never once said the phrase: "In accordance with the contract, the Moscow Region is obliged to provide ..., provide ..., and so on according to the list."

history doesn't stick. in such a situation, he could move on to positional battles and fit into the ammunition norms that he received like the rest of the units, but he continued to drive people into the attack and put 20000, and this is almost half of the total 50000 that passed through Wagner in Artemovsk.

Quote: carpenter

And when I realized that the business was being put on the counter, I went all-in — i.e. into a direct and noisy conflict with the Moscow Region in order to get through to Putin.

he is Putin's protégé. he has a direct relationship with him. where could he not reach? and under the threat of disbanding the PMC turned out to be precisely because of Prigozhin's outbursts in Artemovsk with these of his "now we are leaving." no one needs 30000 trained assassins, with heavy weapons, who are not subordinate to the state. although no...Khokhlovs and the states need to..there they rejoiced. even Prigozhin was enrolled as a freedom fighter .. not for long ...

Quote: carpenter

But the military has everything exactly on paper, and they did not violate the charters.

that's it! and therefore these vague formulations about some generals. I signed it myself, but under what, I didn’t read the campaign. goes and businessman so-so.

[MeVED]

Quote: carpenter

All Prigozhin's hysteria is from the fact that he was squeezed out of business ...
... So Prigozhin's affairs were initially so-so. 

Initially, everything was fine with Prigozhin, it was not very good for the Moscow Region and all the citizens of our country, since I had to call PMCs.
And our authorities showed themselves in all their glory, deciding to "squeeze out business."

[Aag]

Quote: Alien From

Highlander with his plot just resting here. So much heaped up in two days, without a ton of vodka you can’t figure it out. People are sorry, politics is a merciless thing. Personally, I didn't understand...

Do not go to extremes - start with a liter (from a trusted supplier))).
And there .... With fresh thoughts, formulate in yourself, go out to the people ...))). With a grain of salt, with all due respect...

[art266]

I heard today the version that everything is actually because of the dough. As a result, Prigozhin was stupidly paid off (with a lot of money).

[Above_name]

"Personally, I did not understand anything ......"
Misha Shakhnazarov today in the Full Paragraph proposed to wait a bit for the conclusions.

[Maz]

Shame, not the Ministry of Defense but the Ministry of the Mafia, impotents and criminals. To beat their own aircraft - vile creatures. And the pilots were killed and the Wagners. And all we had to do was start negotiating!!! And now they will find some kind of major who allegedly misunderstood the oral order - the order .... Oh, not there it was necessary to carry out the SVO first, but in the RF Ministry of Defense. well, even now it is quiet as a graveyard - deathly silence. The whole world laughs at us and wonders! We position ourselves as the Third Rome, and inside the country a tangle of corrupt snakes and scorpions are in power. And Prigogine is XNUMX% right! Clever, well done, man, respect. He showed everyone what our authorities are worth - a donut hole and a day's walk to Moscow.

[GGV]

And tell me where the columns with Wagners were bombed, otherwise there are downed helicopters and a plane, but there is no video of this. Skinte me please, I will also be outraged

[albert]

Quote: GGV

And tell me where the columns with Wagners were bombed, otherwise there are downed helicopters and a plane, but there is no video of this. Skinte me please, I will also be outraged

In the telegram, Boris Rozhin has several videos with broken Wagner equipment.

[Alister kroulegg]

What do you mean "start negotiating"? Then with whom to negotiate? With the headquarters of the 58th army, with the marines, with the corps of the LDNR? Power for that and power that does not negotiate with any of the subordinates or it is not power at all

[Sergiy_OSV]

Quote: Maz

... Showed everyone what our authorities are worth ...

Most of the figures in "our government" work for the United States - this has not been a secret since the 90s.
Purges are needed everywhere, and not just in the Ministry of Defense - which is what Vladimir Putin has been trying to do for many years, only, according to the constitution, he does not have real power - the people have it - according to the constitution.
And you, as a representative of the people, are only capable of harassing the authorities - all with giblets. Learn from Minin and Pozharsky, help the country with deeds, and not with filthy language.

[Alister kroulegg]

Yes, Vladimir Vladimirovich has no power, all the people have

[your1970]

Quote: Maz

And now they will find some major who allegedly misunderstood the oral order - the order ..

- I'm embarrassed to ask - what can a repeater plane do? He could be ordered to take off and relay / provide communications - functions "bomb" he obviously doesn't.
So do not make "some major" - a fool.

[single-n]

All in Roman tradition. :)) Viper from vipers

[Gardamir]

It seemed like a thing of the past. Calm down and move on. But there is no current government without enemies. Prigozhin can and will get out, and ordinary Wagner fighters can suffer.

[svp67]

Quote: Gardamir

simple Wagner fighters may suffer.

The worst thing that can happen now ... I really would not want the mark "was an employee of the Wagner PMC" to become a "stigma". There are an overwhelming number of normal guys, but now everything can turn out to be sad for them

[Oden280]

Normal guys should have slapped a bald man and everything would be fine. And so let the stigma of a traitor be dragged. deserved

[UAZ 452]

Normal guys should have slapped a bald man and everything would be fine.

Excuse me, who are you talking about now?

[carpenter]

Quote: UAZ 452

Excuse me, who are you talking about now?

This is about Gorbachev.

[svp67]

Quote: Oden280

And so let the stigma of a traitor be dragged. deserved

Of the 25, 000 participated in this march, the remaining 10 either refused or were in other places and did not leave the PAP, are they also to blame in your opinion?

[alexmach]

the remaining 15 either refused or were in other places and did not leave the PAP

Or they did not receive an order to advance.
Or there was not enough equipment for the march of all at once.

But there is really no formal guilt of those who did not leave the PAP. Nevertheless, it is still no longer possible to use this unit further in this composition.

[Role]

With the women, everyone who is not the first is the second, but with the Wagnerites: "I did not participate in the march!"
Scum, they decided to make a mess when the Armed Forces of Ukraine are trying to break through our defenses. And now he wants to pay off and push the blame on someone else.
In one day from heroes to traitors, and now they cannot be washed off. Blood is not water.

[TiRex]

Would you go further passerby. not everything is as simple as it seems. Prigogine is not a stupid person.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Prigozhin is not stupid, but very stupid. In this option, "not" is written separately. And in yours it is "intelligent". But this does not apply to Prigogine.

[alexmach]

And now he wants to pay off and push the blame on someone else.

Generally opposite. Anti-aircraft gunner, and we will pay compensation.
I remember when Erdogan offered compensation to the families of the pilots killed by the Turks, the families refused such compensation.

[arnulla]

Our government looks more like traitors to the interests of citizens than Wagner

[Sanichsan]

Quote: svp67

There are an overwhelming number of normal guys, but now everything can turn out to be sad for them

so the Ministry of Defense has already accepted normal people into its fold. so if there will be a stigma, then those who fit into Prigogine's adventure, which is fair in a way.

[Vyacheslav Ermolaev]

Normal guys lacked normal brains.

[Arkady007]

There are no riots in Russia without victims.
There is no civil war without bloodshed.
And here the question arises, who brought the people of one state to such a state, ready to go at each other with a gun.

[nickname7]

The GDP has just announced that it is dealing with the issues of the NWO from morning to evening.
Why, at the same time, he did not resolve the brewing conflict is unclear.

[Sergiy_OSV]

Quote: Arkady007

... And here the question arises, who brought the people of one state to such a state, ready to go at each other with a gun.

The question is rhetorical, and for a Russian person the answer is simple: Anglo-Saxons, specifically - figures from Washington.

[Deck]

Reminds Rostov cops, how the evil uncles left, crawled out of the cracks where they hid, with flashing lights, to restore order. Kadyrov's people pushed through traffic jams for a day, did not have time, and so well done and heroes in suppressing the rebellion. So now specialists in uniform to protect the constitutional order will come running, when the danger has passed, to earn stars. The pilots are just sorry.

[Oden280]

The cops were instructed not to interfere and not to provoke. And then the massacre would immediately begin.

[nickname7]

Some interesting facts. PMCs entered / captured the entire headquarters of the southeastern district, and without a single shot. They did not create escalations, they wanted negotiations, why did Shoigu send a helicopter against the Wagners?
Second fact. large bureaucrats, dropping their slippers, rushed to the airport in packs that sold out tickets and there were mass departures of business jets. The bureaucrats left Moscow.

[opposite28]

Second fact. large bureaucrats, dropping their slippers, rushed to the airport in packs that sold out tickets and there were mass departures of business jets. The bureaucrats left Moscow.

That's where it was necessary to put "Pantsyr-S1", and not on the roof of the building of the RF Ministry of Defense

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: nickname7

Second fact. large bureaucrats, dropping their slippers, rushed to the airport in packs that sold out tickets and there were mass departures of business jets. The bureaucrats left Moscow.

I don't understand, does this fact upset you? Why do we need this ballast? The first wave of "type culture and intelligentsia" has already fallen, the second wave of "type officials" is dumping now.
As for me, let them bring down, from this both Moscow and the country will only become cleaner, and those who are with Russia in soul and heart, they remained and will work for Russia.

[Taimen]

Nobody will suffer. The Wagner fighters who left for Lukashenka will work for him. Batyok again deceived the supergenius. I got a select army for free, which they reached Maskvabad a day later. And Prigozhin will feed the same. And we will have Shoigu and Gerasimov left.

[Sergej1972]

Prigozhin personally leaves for Belarus, and not Wagner PMC.

[Boris Sergeev]

People died, unique cars were lost, but no one was to blame. How is that?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Boris Sergeev

People died, unique cars were lost, but no one was to blame. How is that?

And it’s good that they don’t, when the boyars quarrel, the serfs crack their forelocks.
Or do you really want to see the trial of the next switchmen, whose only fault is that they conveniently turned up on the arm to play the role of extreme ones?

[Gardamir]

How's that?

Well, you know the answer. "the cat abandoned the kittens"

[Vasia]

Quote: Gardamir

Prigozhin can and will get out, and ordinary Wagner fighters can suffer.

How easy it turns out you can blame everything on the "fool pvoshnik" when you need to save your own skin. But this is Wagner, known for its cruelest discipline, where everything is ordered, and for disobedience - cruel punishments, up to the highest measure (according to the fighters themselves).

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Vasia

How easy it turns out you can blame everything on the "fool pvoshnik" when you need to save your own skin.

It was not for nothing that Emperor Peter-1 used to say - "There is nothing worse for the sovereign's cause than an executive fool. Instruct him to plant a seedling, so he will break the whole fruit-bearing garden fool"
I can’t vouch for the authorship and authenticity of the phrase, but it fits the situation with the Wagnerian pvoshnik.

[alexmach]

There is nothing worse for the cause of the sovereign than an executive fool

Yes Yes. It would be very interesting to look at the combat order given to this air defense fool. Someone, at least in some form, set a task for him. Here's a task to look at. And it is very interesting how the public would describe the one who set this task .. in the rear area.

And it’s also interesting who is the one who dragged the “air defense fool” with a shell and with this interesting task in the rear district to some kind of “march”. And I would love to hear his description. Russia was very lucky that everything went without much bloodshed, that now there are no fights in Rostov.

[sgrabik]

Well, those who directly shot down aircraft are definitely a complete kirdyk, as I understand it, no one gave them an order to fire on an airplane and helicopters, this is their personal initiative, although Prigozhin may well not say something.

[bukhach]

Actually, how is it different? During the period of hostilities, he fired to kill on Russian vehicles, knowing full well who they belonged to and deliberately killed the crews, speaking in this case on the side of the enemy, a typical Vlasovite and no past merits will pay for the death of our military, by the way , from history it is known that on the side of the Germans fought with the Red Army, many of those who had previously fought with the same fascists, even the GSS were in aviation for sure, and did not save past merits, as they should. Prigogine is good, nothing to say, he wrote off a fool , they say, what to take from him, what is this for and what god does he pray to?

[quolta]

And why bomb the columns of those who fought with Bandera? Why couldn't you just talk?

[alexmach]

as I understand it, no one gave them an order to fire on an airplane and helicopters

What seriously no one gave the order? Maybe they also ended up in these columns without an order and on their own initiative? Could it be that a march of 1000 pieces of equipment for 800 kilometers took place without an order?

[your1970]

Quote: Gardamir

It seemed like a thing of the past. Calm down and move on. But no, without the enemies of the current government it is impossible.

- the entire crew of the Watchtower was disbanded after Sablin's rebellion. The officers were almost completely dismissed from service.
In the USSR, too, could not live without enemies?????

[Essex62]

The USSR did not have to look for enemies. It is enough to look through the Berlin fence. Everything that plays into the hands of the bourgeoisie was automatically suppressed. Fired, not shot.

[svp67]

According to him, the plane in the Voronezh region was shot down "by mistake", and it was done by an "air defense officer" who was following in one of the columns.

After one "-curator", decided to become the Tsar ...

The Ministry of Defense has not yet reported who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns, which ended with the loss of six helicopters and one aircraft.

The columns broke through the border and went deep into the country, to them, what was it necessary to pray?
And one more question, the IL-20 is painted in the colors of Aeroflot, that is, from the outside it is a CIVIL aircraft, did they deliberately shoot it down?

[dmi.pris1]

Such things are not subject to publicity. Especially in such a situation. All this should be laid down in the order of a criminal case, which is terminated or, in worst case, in the course of an official investigation

[scientist]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

These things are not public.

And how can you announce it if the guarantor of the Constitution does not hesitate to give the command to initiate a criminal case for calling for a military mutiny. At the same time, there is not a word about the criminal case on the fact of the death of people in our rear, the heroes who just wrested our Russian Artemovsk from the clutches of Bandera with huge losses. Indeed, in Russian laws there is no article about the stupidity and stupidity of officials, even if it leads to the death of people and damage to its defense capability.
In fact, the situation in the military is banal, one reported it wrong, the second understood it wrong, the third generally waved it off or sent it. As a result, everything is as always. The first is reported what he wants to hear and does not care about the facts and consequences. And "weighted" decisions based on emotions and a finger in the sky are generally in the spirit of the Russian national game "roulette". The tradition, however, "pans fight at the serfs' forelocks crack."

[And Us Rat]

Quote: scientist

Indeed, in Russian laws there is no article about the stupidity and stupidity of officials, even if it leads to the death of people and damage to its defense capability.

293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation (negligence) According to article 293 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, negligence is considered to be a failure to perform or improper performance by an official of his duties due to dishonest or negligent attitude towards them, if this caused major damage (more than 1,5 million rubles)

I think comments are unnecessary.
Laws are for servants.

[Severok]

Eh-ma, plus only one can be put .... Everything you said is correct, except perhaps that the GDP is tightly tied to many people from the Ministry of Defense, so much so that it is easier for him to see in the noose than to give the minister under the article.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Severok

.. You have said everything correctly, except perhaps that the GDP is tightly tied to many people from the Ministry of Defense

I forgot to add "and with Prigogine."

[Zorro21]

Quote: scientist

And "weighted" decisions based on emotions and a finger in the sky are generally in the spirit of the Russian national game "roulette"

This is the main horror of Europe and the United States. Russian roulette with red buttons, and even with such a territory. The bad dream of Western Russophobes was bound to lead to war sooner or later. At least some certainty for them.

[your1970]

Quote: scientist

At the same time, not a word about the criminal case on the fact loss of life in our rear, heroes who have just wrested our Russian Artemovsk from the clutches of Bandera with huge losses.

- there is not a single video with the corpses of the Wagnerites after the type of "helicopter attack." And yes, the MI-8 can carry a maximum of 4 blocks of NURSIKs or 4 FAB -50 - this is not a helicopter in fact. Considering that they are electronic warfare, they generally hang there anything in question

[Amateur]

The columns broke through the border and went into the interior of the country,

What border did they break through and what country did they go deep into?
Read the comments and wonder.

[Bingo]

Quote: Amateur

What border did they break through and what country did they go deep into?

And for whom Donbass is not Russia? Well, I’m saying, you need to take care of the tsipsota, otherwise God forbid someone smarter will be found in their place, but you read it - and it’s immediately clear who DRIVES crap)
PCS: although they have the Rostov region all their lives considered Ukraine)))

[LMN]

Quote from Bingo

Quote: Amateur

What border did they break through and what country did they go deep into?

And for whom Donbass is not Russia? Well, I’m saying, you need to take care of the tsipsota, otherwise God forbid someone smarter will be found in their place, but you read it - and it’s immediately clear who DRIVES crap)
PCS: although they have the Rostov region all their lives considered Ukraine)))

So that's what Prigogine said

[svp67]

Quote from Bingo

And for whom Donbass is not Russia?

Well, firstly, they came from the Lugansk region, and secondly, yes, this is Russia, but there are still border guards and the Russian Guard on the ADMINISTRATIVE border.

Quote from Bingo

cissota must be protected,

And this is said by a person who uses VIPEN ... What are you afraid of?

[svp67]

Quote: Amateur

What boundary did they break

In this case, ADMINISTRATIVE, along which there are border guards and the Russian Guard

Quote: Amateur

deep into which country did they go?

of Russia

[Konnick]

The columns broke through the border and went deep into the country, to them, what was it necessary to pray?

They walked among the civilians. And after they shot down the attacking Ka-52, the VKS began to bomb bridges and roads with FABs far ahead with ordinary citizens, and this is a crime, during the years of the Second World War there was nothing like this on our part.

[igorbrsv]

Why don't you provide a link? For example, I have not heard about bridges and fabs. And I'm probably not the only one

[Konnick]

You only need links and search for yourself or just read, for example, how the bridge across the Oka is being cleared now.
Look at the bombings, in the first episode the driver of the truck and the passenger died

[arnulla]

Power out of fear is ready to drive Russia into the stone age)

[isv000]

Quote: svp67

The columns broke through the border and went deep into the country, to them, what was it necessary to pray?

No, it was necessary from the main caliber, into the dust, in order to raise Wagner veterans and others like them!

[Old_geologist]

It’s good that civilian aircraft didn’t fly there, otherwise this one could fill them up too. And it’s a pity for the guys ... And it’s not the air defense officer’s fault, but the one who gave the order to shoot down everything that moves.

[nickname7]

Columns broke through the border

There were no battles, which means they didn’t break through, but just drove. The military laid down their arms and did not get involved in the conflict. Why didn't VVP call Prigogine?

[meandr51]

In the video, he fell from a height of several kilometers, so what colors he was painted in was not visible. The large losses of aviation were due to the fact that the pilots were just flying about their business and had no idea what was happening. They thought they were behind the lines and safe. It's just that people like Wagner should not be allowed into Russia with weapons. Many are inadequate and perceive everyone as enemies, indiscriminately.

[svarog77]

The Ministry of Defense has not yet reported who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns, which ended with the loss of six helicopters and one aircraft.

Yeah, they gave the order to attack the convoy with three electronic warfare helicopters and an air command post ...

[Non-fighter]

Actually, they already wrote here that EW helicopters are the "second line", they do not climb forward, especially the Mi8, which has no armor. So the air defense brought down everything that moves.

[UAZ 452]

If there really was an air raid on the Wagner camp, then the directive "to shoot down everything that flies" is quite understandable. If someone thinks that the MI-8 with electronic warfare is very different from the same MI-8 with NURS, and the IL-22 from the SU-24 on the radar of the air defense system, then he thinks wrong.

[Vita vko]

Quote: UAZ 452

"shoot down everything that flies

They only shot down something that flew below 1 km and was a threat. Otherwise, they could hook on civilian sides. Yes, and the IL-22 also carried a clear threat, because it was he who directed the Ka-52.
So maybe the "Air defense officers are fools", but Prigozhin's are the most competent fools, who should be given an award. Not a single civilian was caught, even on the ground. And to sort out that chaos with dozens of aircraft without an air defense control system is simply beyond the bounds of the possible. Although you can guess about the trick that they used for an experienced air defense officer. After all, what works in one direction can easily work in the opposite direction.

[26rus]

Quote: Vita VKO

Quote: UAZ 452

"shoot down everything that flies

They only shot down something that flew below 1 km and was a threat. Otherwise, they could hook on civilian sides. Yes, and the IL-22 also carried a clear threat, because it was he who directed the Ka-52.
So maybe the "Air defense officers are fools", but Prigozhin's are the most competent fools, who should be given an award. Not a single civilian was caught, even on the ground. And to sort out that chaos with dozens of aircraft without an air defense control system is simply beyond the bounds of the possible. Although you can guess about the trick that they used for an experienced air defense officer. After all, what works in one direction can easily work in the opposite direction.

What kind of civilian sides did they not hook ? We don’t read the news at all, or just to crow? From the very beginning, civil aviation has not been flying there, the airports of Rostov and Voronezh have been closed. Even agricultural flights are prohibited.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: 26rus

From the very beginning, civil aviation has not been flying there, the airports of Rostov and Voronezh have been closed. Even agricultural flights are prohibited.

Lviv is not aware of this.

[blackGRAIL]

There are very few facts and one has to guess.
That's right - they gave the order to "attack" the convoy with three electronic warfare helicopters. This is just very logical - they jammed them and tried to leave them without communication. These actions are generally equivalent to an attack, and if we discussed the defeat of the helicopters of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, no one would have the thought that something was done wrong.
Separately, for the fourth Mi-8 helicopter, it was a military transport one, which means it was armed (and could be involved in an attack on a convoy). In this situation, disassemble under a microscope, and no one in their right mind will fly there for three Mi-8s.
The situation with the CPSU really looks like a tragic accident - it had nothing to do with suppressing the rebellion.
In this regard, the emphasis in the media on the "unarmed" nature of the downed helicopters looks like an attempt to additionally denigrate Prigozhin / Wagner (although much more - a rebellion during a war is a betrayal, a stab in the back of the country, the army and the people, but there are those who further considers it to be right).

[And Us Rat]

Quote from: blackGRAIL

mutiny during the war is a betrayal

That's a moot point. And if the war is run by an amateur, leading to disaster or even gone crazy?
In the charters of many armies of the world, the commander can be removed from command and arrested by his subordinates for such reasons as: war crimes and criminal orders, criminal negligence or blatant incompetence leading to immediate catastrophic consequences (when there is no time or opportunity to report to superiors), betrayal, insanity .
Of course, then they have to prove that there is no alternative to the decision in the tribunal, but if they prove that there was no other way out, then they will be heroes, not rebels.

[your1970]

Quote: And Us Rat

In the charters of many armies of the world, the commander can be removed from command and arrested downstream for such reasons as: war crimes and criminal orders, criminal negligence or blatant incompetence leading to immediate catastrophic consequences (when there is no time or opportunity to report to superiors), betrayal, insanity.

-link to any charter of any country in the world - where is it written - is it possible ???

[Beregovic_1]

UVS RF Armed Forces Art. 40-43 in some of them, don't be lazy

[your1970]

Quote: Beregovyhok_1

UVS RF Armed Forces Art. 40-43 in some of them, don't be lazy

I was not too lazy, I looked at the articles you indicated.
On the subject:
Art.43
"A subordinate who has not fulfilled the order of the commander (chief), given in the prescribed manner, is held criminally liable on the grounds provided for by the legislation of the Russian Federation."
This is clearly not what you had in mind.
therefore I repeat- you need a link to any Charter of the armies of the world.

[Light]

In this regard, the emphasis in the media on the "unarmed" nature of the downed helicopters looks like an attempt to further denigrate Prigozhin/Wagner

The EW helicopters were returning home from a mission and simply by misfortune flew over the Wagner column, not expecting a blow from their own, they were stupidly shot at point-blank range from anti-aircraft machine guns.

[poquello]

Quote: svarog77

Yeah, they gave the order to attack the convoy with three electronic warfare helicopters and an air command post ...

vo vo, "
"The Ministry of Defense has not yet been told who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns,"
we also do not know which woodpecker wrote this article

[opposite28]

Yeah, they gave the order to attack the convoy with three electronic warfare helicopters and an air command post ...

To begin with, the means of communication of PMC "Wagner" were jammed. Somehow, the allies, after all, doing one thing for the good of the Motherland and Fatherland, and then, for credibility, the bus with the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" was destroyed on the highway. How do you want to understand this indisputable fact?!

[Alister kroulegg]

From Prigozhin’s speech, it turns out that there were civilians on the bus, and not Wagner

[dmi.pris1]

Hellish headline .. He stated that he would pay this amount to the families of the deceased crew

[Installer]

Pay don't pay. You can't get your life back. Eternal flight.

[Revolver]

The Ministry of Defense has not yet reported who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns, which ended with the loss of six helicopters and one aircraft. The Russian army did not suffer such one-time losses even from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This primarily speaks of the professionalism of the Wagners and the lack of such in the Moscow Region.

[svarog77]

About professionalism to shoot down unarmed helicopters and aircraft? It really says a lot...

[svp67]

Quote: Nagan

This primarily speaks of the professionalism of the Wagners and the lack of such in the Moscow Region.

That is, do you think that it is difficult to shoot down an aircraft near the airfield when it takes off or prepare for landing? They inflicted the main losses precisely in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbthe airfield.

[AVA77]

This primarily speaks of the effectiveness of our air defense systems. It is difficult to shoot down a plane from a slingshot, no matter how professional you are.

[Oden280]

This first of all says that they are scum.

[igorbrsv]

. This primarily speaks of the professionalism of the Wagners and the lack of such in the Moscow Region.

And how many planes and helicopters did Wagner shoot down for his own? If you don't count yours. These pvoshniks should say thank you to them? They did all the work for them. And who is at the front now? While the Wagners were having fun.

[Drlivsi]

Sorry. we have control planes just like a dog ...? And what about prepared crews, YOUR COUNTRYMANS? Are these checkers?

[Drlivsi]

Yeah, my friend "mobile" is just resting in the hospital right now?

[poquello]

Quote: Nagan

The Ministry of Defense has not yet reported who gave the order to attack the Wagner PMC columns, which ended with the loss of six helicopters and one aircraft. The Russian army did not suffer such one-time losses even from the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

This primarily speaks of the professionalism of the Wagners and the lack of such in the Moscow Region.

about the mudism of the Wagners, they would like to disperse them - they would disperse, they wanted to attack - they would attack the square from afar, they wanted to stop and not destroy

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Nagan

This primarily speaks of the professionalism of the Wagners and the lack of such in the Moscow Region.

this primarily speaks of the meanness of the betrayal of Prigogine and those who supported him. attack the bare rear with heavy weapons while the most combat-ready units at the front.

[decimalegio]

As we wanted to demonstrate, it is indeed true that every rich person thinks they can solve all problems with money.

[IVZ]

... every rich person thinks he can solve all problems with money

Yes, he doesn't seem to have any problems. Forgive or, well, it will be seen. What about payments? Either to fix something, if at all possible, or to appease the conscience, or try to improve the image.

[Michael67]

"Forgive me, or, well, it will be seen ...". Sorry?! Those who fired at our pilots are no longer residents. They'll get them. Their commander will also receive his well-deserved.

[al3x]

They've done things. Those who opened fire in their own way need to be attracted to the fullest extent. In general, pardoning Prigozhin looks like weakness. In the morning, a statement that everything will be according to the law and the perpetrators will be punished, and a few hours later he pardoned everyone. It would be better if he kept silent then, it is more familiar to him, otherwise, after such statements of faith, his words diminished even more.

[nickname7]

Prigozhin's pardon looks like weakness

This, according to the law, can be a weakness, but according to the concepts, everything was done correctly. Here you are not ordinary people here, respected people.
According to the Middle Ages, Prigogine is generally drawn to the prince and his retinue, and Putin to the tsar. Gentlemen settled the issue and dispersed.

[al3x]

Well, then the king had to be silent, otherwise it turns out that he "is not responsible for the bazaar." According to the concepts of such a person is called the letter "P".

[shikin]

I don't think it's a pardon. For Prigozhin, most likely, the path to the Russian Federation will be closed. There will also be problems with business. The main thing was to prevent serious hostilities, and I think there will still be trials with the Wagnerites. Those who did not participate will sign contracts for the front line, those who participated - they no longer have faith. And for those who shot - better for Prigozhin. But it is not clear how much Lukashenka will now trust Prigozhin.

[Essex62]

But why is dad so inadequate, and even without a "team"? He stopped the bloodshed, that's the main thing.

[beybender]

What can I say: they are all bastards!!! Yes short!!!

[tralflot1832]

The closer to Moscow, the more targets the "idiot-pvoshnik" would have. The shell is a serious car - it reaches up to 15 km in height.

[Alister kroulegg]

Well, they found the last one ... The air defense officer is to blame. But what about Prigozhin's statement: we will shoot down everyone!

From the title - as if this air defense officer is 50 million

[bober1982]

Quote: Alister Kroulegg

From the title - as if this air defense officer is 50 million

Yes, I also thought so, maybe such an intricate title on purpose, do they really not understand all the absurdity of the title.

[olimpiada15]

There is a video on the network when a plane drops a bomb next to a highway along which civilian cars are traveling. Luckily, the explosion happened next to the highway. According to the information available online, the helicopter was shot down after the convoy was shelled. Shooting at a convoy that moves along the highway mixed with civilians is a crime, and the criminal is the one who gave the order.

[svp67]

Quote: olimpiada15

There is a video on the network when a plane drops a bomb next to a highway along which civilian cars are traveling.

Have you watched the video when the air defense installations are in the parking lot near the store and there are a lot of civilians around, and she is launching?

[Konnick]

Have you watched the video when the air defense installations are in the parking lot near the store and there are a lot of civilians around, and she is launching?

Show or give a link, I did not find it.

[svarog77]

After the words "the column that moves along the highway mixed with civilians" he just sobbed ...

[AVA77]

And hiding behind civilians, as if it were necessary, is never a crime, this is a real feat.

[Sergej1972]

Part of the Wagnerites rode in pickup trucks and cars.

[opposite28]

pvoshnik in the column shot down everything that took off

- Prigozhin answered the question about the downed plane.

No wonder after that the column from the aircraft was laid down - the plowman and did his best. First, the control point, then everything that followed took off from the nearest airfield. Analysis is required of the one who gave the order to shell the column of PMC "Wagner". Excuses like: The Ukrainian provocation is extremely untenable because there are "two elbows" to the front line on the map. And then we wonder who are so spiky smart with their foreheads pushing the fighters of the PMC "Wagner" and the military personnel of the RF Ministry of Defense. And then ask how it should be and who took what was where it was supposed to be and to return what they took where it was before. Something like this ... And even then it is still affectionate and gentle without a more detailed idea of ​​​​further measures of influence on those who, like a reptile, must be asked in all severity ...

[Konnick]

The Russian military control and relay aircraft Il-22, which did not inflict any strikes on the columns of the PMC "Wagner", was indeed shot down by the fighters of the "Orchestra",

And what "smart" sent him there? The answer is one commander of the Aerospace Forces Surovikin, who wanted information.
And who gave the order to bomb roads and bridges with civilians with FABs, without waiting for the Wagner columns to approach? There is no one except the commander of the VKS. Armageddon don don.

[svp67]

Quote: Konnick

And what "smart" sent him there?

The plane went to its area to perform a combat mission to ensure uninterrupted control of combat aircraft in the NVO zone. And we have them, that the fingers on one hand ... were ...

[Konnick]

The plane went to its area to perform a combat mission.

Yeah, from Rostov to Moscow to carry out a combat mission in the NWO. There are even rumors about its passengers. Although only speculation.

[Serg 122]

Quote: ...Even there are rumors about its passengers. Although only speculation...
Do you think that's why Shoigu still can't be found? That he was on this plane with Gerasimov?

[Revolver]

Quote: svp67

And we have them, that the fingers on one hand ... were ...

When the same (well, or similar) in 2018 was shot down by crooked Arab anti-aircraft gunners, they tried to hang the dogs on the Jews. And then how will you tie the Jews?

[Oberst_71]

And who gave the air defense Shell to Wagner And if it's civilian? Or they are given secret NRZ codes friend or foe. Probably not.

[Fintiflushkin]

Don't write nonsense. This Il-22 has been constantly shuttled along the state border since the beginning of the NWO. The whole day hummed back and forth and quite low. This unfortunate time he flew from north to south, he was shot down a few kilometers from the Bugaevka border checkpoint.

[bober1982]

Prigozhin, now only Aeroflot planes can fly, on a military board they can be thrown from a height, without a parachute, it’s also better not to appear at a military airfield, no matter what happens.

[Bingo]

And who is to blame that your air defense officer is a fool ?!

[Graz]

the one who shot down an unarmed plane should be punished, in other words, he should not live no matter how well-deserved he is, it would be best if this person or people shot themselves

[Sevan]

Judge this pvoshnik faggot, this one is clearly not one of the prisoners. Thanks to the cattle for not shooting down a civilian.

[Arkady007]

1. The question immediately arises: what was the plane doing there?
2. Who gave the order to follow this plane along the column?
3. And who will pay compensation to the Wagner fighters who were blown up in the bus by the VKS plane?

[Graz]

in fact, they are rebels and got off very easily at the end of the day, and let them ask Prigogine for compensation

[Arkady007]

Who proved that they are rebels? That the court issued such a ruling, where?
And how did the rebels suddenly agree to stop the rebellion without the blood they allegedly followed?

[AVA77]

I wanted to live, so the rebellion was stopped.
And where did they go anyway. On dismantling to Shoigu. And that the court proved his guilt or the court proved that the Wagner base was bombed or Prigozhin the famous judge.
Yes, it seems not, so he is a cook with two walkers.
What do you suddenly remembered about the law. That in Wagner, where you don’t spit, there are only lawyers all around.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: Graz

in fact, they are rebels and got off very easily at the end of the day, and let them ask Prigogine for compensation

First, it is necessary to use all the possibilities to reach an agreement peacefully, but here it is not clear, Putin asks Lukashenka to agree with Prigozhin on a peaceful exit, and at the same time, apparently, a forceful method of solution was undertaken. What a contradiction.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Lt. air force reserve

What a contradiction.

In folklore, the right hand does not know what the left hand is doing. This happens either from panic, or from a complete mess.

[UAZ 452]

in fact, they are rebels and got off very easily at the end of the day

At the direction of the President of the Russian Federation, the criminal case under the article armed rebellion was terminated. So either they are not rebels, or the one who terminated the criminal case committed an official crime, and should also be held accountable.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Arkady007

The question immediately arises

The very first and most important question: What was Wagner doing there? Offended, wanted to talk or express indignation - this, given the situation, is shit, not answers ...

[Egorovich]

One plane and 6 helicopters are on the conscience of the Moscow Region, and the dead people from both sides (Russian), that is, Shoigu and Gerasimov. These are the leaders who stand at the military elite of Russia and are frightenedly silent.

[Arkady007]

Absolutely in the hole.
If a helicopter shot at me, I would also try to throw a stone in response.
1. Who gave the command to shoot at PMCs before the decision was made by the Supreme that this was a riot?
2. Against whom is the rebellion from PMCs? Against the MO, to which he does not obey according to the law?

[GGV]

Here you have some kind of crooked law. You can’t touch them, which means you can cut them across the Russian Federation with weapons, and even when the Ukrainians are on the offensive and the heroes just hold it back and die on the front. If there are problems, contact the Supreme, and don’t take it out all in public. all this smells bad

[nickname7]

Egorovich (Alexander Rumyantsev)
One plane and 6 helicopters are on the conscience of the Moscow Region, but the dead people from both sides (Russian), that is, Shoigu and Gerasimov

Even if they sent it, it was necessary to send helicopters in sufficient numbers to destroy the entire column of rebels (at that time they were considered rebels), the cardboard sent one helicopter, which would not have done anything to the column. Truly cardboard "do not steal do not guard." Only the helicopter destroyed in vain.

[svarog77]

Quote: Arkady007

And who will pay compensation to the Wagner fighters who were blown up in the bus by the VKS plane?

Prigogine swore yesterday that he hadn't shed a drop of blood and didn't waste anything...

[Konnick]

Prigogine swore yesterday that he hadn't shed a drop of blood and hadn't done anything.

It was early in the morning at the district headquarters. The bombing of the M-4 and parallel roads began at lunchtime. Before that, there were no incidents.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

This bastard mocks Russia and its citizens.

The MOD’s mistake is that it entrusted expensive and deadly equipment to the lesson and its organized criminal group.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The MOD’s mistake is that it entrusted expensive and deadly equipment to the lesson and its organized criminal group.

And not only him. When the courtier Shoigu's hamstrings began to tremble, they sent the group of ataman Kadyrov to suppress the group of ataman Prigozhin.
Kind of like Zimbabwe.

[Konnick]

Quote: svarog77

About professionalism to shoot down unarmed helicopters and aircraft? It really says a lot...

And first of all, about the stupidity of the one who gave the order to escort the columns to these helicopters and the plane in order to cut off communications in the columns and receive information in direct mode. And from a distance, from 5-6 km, it is not visible whether the helicopter is attacking or not.

[svarog77]

Well, yes, you can immediately see the "professionals" ...

[Someone_Kakoevich]

Many hoped and believed that only true professionals served in Wagner, but even among them there was "(there was a word that automatically disappears, but is in the article) - air defense specialist" ... Probably everyone is mistaken, but the comment is from Prigogine speaks for itself - this is not a professional mistake.

[faiver]

something is not heard about the resignation of the Minister of Defense, and indeed he got lost somewhere ....

[Someone_Kakoevich]

Like Prigogine, according to the telegram

[Aken]

All promised on Monday. Although, if we are talking about Russia, any surprises are possible.

[Serg 122]

So he was at the command post on the Il-22. Together with Gerasimov ...

[SovAr238A]

About that and speech.
How did Russian Air Force pilots become mere executors of criminal orders?
To strike at the Wagner bases located in the Russian rear?
Easy, pure robots.
What are the enemies, what are our own - do not care.

Go ahead.
To strike on highways, in congestions of vehicles?
Easy...
The fact that 10 meters from the Wagner column, there are thousands of civilian vehicles? Yes, don't care.
Easy, pure robots.
No moral doubt
And the whole noteworthy urya-turbopatriotic company of bots didn't even shut up about it.

And the fact that Wagner, defending himself, shot down several helicopters, so from this bot farm, standard accusations went about who will now look into the eyes of the families of these pilots.
Is it necessary to look into the eyes of families of robots who kill their own?
And their military and their civilians?
Are they deplorable, these downed robots?
Who destroyed civilian trucks, scattered the fab-500 along the M4?
This rebellion opened many eyes to reality.
Accusing some of rebellion, we saw the reality in others..
The army does not protect the people.
She doesn't care about the people.
And any, even unnatural, inhumane, anti-people,
order.
Especially on your own land!

[igork735]

Are you from another bot farm? Lakhtinskaya? Are you afraid now there will be no salary from Prigogine?

[former soldier]

control and relay aircraft Il-22

Where can you buy it now?
Who will return the pilots?

[Aken]

Ask the person who sent them. I do not believe that it is impossible to find out the full name.

[Virus-free crown]

pvoshnik in the column shot down everything that took off

I hope this one is already in the basements of the Lubyanka right now recording his apologies on camera before sitting down for life?

[Sergej1972]

I don't know who, whether Prigozhin personally, or PMC "Wagner". but they must also compensate the state for material damage for the loss of helicopters and aircraft. And the regions for the damaged roadbed. in general, I think. "Wagnerites" should not count on the support of aviators. And Prigozhin to support Surovikin, whom he always defiantly singled out from the general mass of generals.

[Sergej1972]

Aren't PMCs too many weapons? I think they have enough shooters. Heavy weapons should only be in the army!

[t7310]

Quote: Sergej1972

Aren't PMCs too many weapons? I think they have enough shooters. Heavy weapons should only be in the army!

So the army should also fight ..., I somehow felt uneasy from the fact that people win with a term and a criminal record

[bober1982]

Prigogine is still not such a smart person, he would have been smarter - he would have kept silent about payments, he wouldn’t have launched all this into the information space, because only hatred intensifies, a huckster and a businessman who has begun to feel dizzy from success is used to measuring everything with money.
This is not forgotten and not forgiven. This is how worldly glory passes.

[Arkadich]

Everyone trying to justify the death of our soldiers, like they were given a criminal order. You don’t consider such a course of action, information is received at the headquarters of the PMC column, with full armament, they are moving to Moscow, the border post was shot, two border guards were killed, the PMC either does not get in touch, or they give ultimatums. There are no troops capable of stopping columns of 25 troops. There is no information. Accordingly, TRANSPORT helicopters are sent to clarify the situation. They are shot down, which means this is an enemy and then they send KA 52. By the way, there is little information, a video like an exploded fuel truck does not inspire confidence in me, but even if the pilot may have deliberately hit the fuel truck and not equipment with people. The leadership of Wagner brewed this mess and all the blood on their hands, I'm sure the order to shoot to kill was given by them.

[Aken]

That's right. All who went against the people must be destroyed. Those who sent them must be brought to justice. We are waiting for the court, more precisely, the tribunal.

Accordingly, TRANSPORT helicopters are sent to clarify the situation.

Were there transport helicopters? This is news. I would say a sensation. Turns out we were lied to.

[Arkadich]

I made a mistake on purpose, calling it a transport one, just this workhorse, originally from the 60s, which has neither serious armor nor weapons, but it didn’t turn out to be combat.

[your1970]

Quote from Aken

Were there transport helicopters?

-and MI-8 is your full-fledged COMBAT helicopter?

[Virus-free crown]

There are no troops capable of stopping columns of 25 troops.

But this is a tag for discrediting the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation)))

What do you mean no?! And why do we need the Russian Guard?! Everything is cooler with them than with the Wagnerites, after all, by an order of magnitude - judging by the official documents

[Arkadich]

Documents in the studio! The National Guard is simply the same police, but it is imprisoned for riots of CIVILIANS, at most the fight against gangs. accordingly, her equipment is not for combat operations with a regular army. This is first. Secondly, where did you see discredit? The fact that a combat effective organization from the rear, with all its weapons, rushed to a deeper rear, knowing full well that there were no troops in terms of numbers and experience of military operations on their way, this only speaks of the principle that there is no reception against scrap. Would like to stop. I am sure there was a vowel or non-vowel instruction not to shed blood until the last.

[Virus-free crown]

Quote: Arkadich

Documents in the studio! The National Guard is simply the same police, but it is imprisoned for riots of CIVILIANS, at most the fight against gangs. accordingly, her equipment is not for combat operations with a regular army. This is first. Secondly, where did you see discredit? The fact that a combat effective organization from the rear, with all its weapons, rushed to a deeper rear, knowing full well that there were no troops in terms of numbers and experience of military operations on their way, this only speaks of the principle that there is no reception against scrap. Would like to stop. I am sure there was a vowel or non-vowel instruction not to shed blood until the last.

And now you have a tag for discrediting the National Guard

Number of Russian Guards
The National Guard or troops of the National Guard of the Russian Federation (former internal troops of the Ministry of Internal Affairs) have a strength of about 340 - 400 thousand people.

You are soooo, in a blue eye, claiming that at least 300 thousand people receive their positions and salaries for no reason? )))

[Arkadich]

Judging by your logic, then you are like a person who writes the same pahab words on the walls and fences in terms of the amount of text, like a writer, but in terms of meaning, de-beat.

[Flurry]

Whence such naivety? Where and why is he going - from every iron it sounded and quoted in advance, about the connection - he sits and communicates with Yevkurov and Alekseev live, you could dial them and ask them to give him a phone (primitively). To stop a column of 10 on the march, which does not disperse and does not hide from anyone, as in a parade, it was necessary to give one order - front-line pilots would unwind it in an hour by the forces of the regiment. There was no such order, and accordingly there was no order to destroy or attack. The attacked and downed vehicles are the result of the activities of alternatively gifted, most likely privately, with the help of a couple of attack helicopters, to solve everything and earn medals for themselves.
The fact of the rebellion and attempts to resolve their issues by force in NO way cancels the very acute issues for the work of the National Guard and the Ministry of Defense, and the country loses much more from their "professionalism".

[Arkadich]

Whether he was in touch or not, we do not know. You are mistaken there was no information about the advancement of PMCs in advance, otherwise it would not have been a shock, as evidence of a swept border checkpoint, two border guards were killed. Prigozhin was talking with Yevkurov and Alekseev already when he arrived and blocked the headquarters, (I suspect he did not arrive on the head patrol) and the PMCs moved on. The first downed helicopters are MI8! KA reached out much later, perhaps to the rescue. PMCs easily shoot down KA 52s, which are hunted by the APU and usually without success. And the last thing, why and where our aircraft flew is an empty question. They were flying over THEIR lands and they didn't have to ask anyone's permission. They were shot down vilely out of tact and by order. So it begs a bad comparison with Syria.

[Serge9901]

Circus . They made a mockery out of the country. Those. , if you hint at something about the demolition of power on the square or even on the Internet - you - at least to the prosecutor's office. And if you threaten to do something really bad with the Minister of Defense, and you go armed to the teeth to the maskva, losing people and casually shooting down helicopters (8!) And the president declares you an armed rebel for the whole world - this is not so scary, because already by the evening everything will miraculously resolve and you will remain healthy and cheerful and free? Hey, this is a dream, right? By the way, where is our glorious mischievous minister, because of which all the fuss is? Urgent rest on the Altai fiefdom? Or the son-in-law in Dubai at night should tell a fairy tale?

[Gardamir]

, where is our glorious mischievous minister, because of which all the fuss?

ln flew in the plane that shot down.

[Nord11]

Well, that's okay .. And Pushkin will pay the Ministry of Defense for moral injury !?

[Aken]

The losing side always pays. In our case, Shoigu.

[Aken]

What did the command post do over the Wagner column? What did he forget? Who sent him there? Full name in the studio.

[Alister kroulegg]

It is possible that he was monitoring the actions of Wagner, it is possible that he extinguished their connection. Is that the reason to kill 8 pilots? No

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

There are still up to 20 operators working in the state. So more dough will be needed. Prigogine breathed a sigh of relief and began to bend his fingers again. And, of course, he himself is a hero, and everyone around and. Good position and no reflection. Although what a reflection after 13 years in the zone.

[nik-mazur]

Quote from Aken

What did the command post do over the Wagner column? What did he forget?

Don't move arrows. What did Wagner do on this track? Who sent him there? You have to start with this.

[MrTulandra]

What did the command post do over the Wagner column?

He was in the Russian sky and did his job - watching a gang of armed bastards.

[ivan2022]

Nothing is clear. The Wagnerites "by mistake" shot down everything to a fig. But they themselves had no losses. Although they were "attacked"? And about the fact that the tank farm in the Voronezh region was on fire, who is this? Student Shurik burned? Also stupid?

[Egg]

Quote: ivan2022

And about the fact that the tank farm in the Voronezh region was on fire, who is this? Student Shurik burned?

Videoconferencing of the Russian Federation burned, there is in the form of a cart
So that Wagner could not refuel .... but they banged a tank with aviation kerosene .... there are no words ...

[Egg]

Yes, even if you forget the sofa hamsters, there is a video of the bombing in the telegram and more than one.
Here is one of them, enjoy:
https://t.me/c/1731160137/27763

[vovochkarzhevsky]

The questions immediately arise:
1. What (which air defense system) shot down the plane? Obviously not MANPADS.
2. In the Moscow Region, don't they know what air defense systems are in service with Wagner?
3. If the Defense Ministry knew, and they are obliged to know the air defense systems in service with the Wagner, why was the plane exposed to attack?
4. Why the hell was it necessary to attract the IL-22?
PS
I do not rule out "friendly fire".

[faiver]

so for a year and a half there are only questions, and every day more and more

[Fintiflushkin]

Quote: vovochkarzhevsky

The questions immediately arise:
1. What (which air defense system) shot down the plane? Obviously not MANPADS.
2. In the Moscow Region, don't they know what air defense systems are in service with Wagner?
3. If the Defense Ministry knew, and they are obliged to know the air defense systems in service with the Wagner, why was the plane exposed to attack?
4. Why the hell was it necessary to attract the IL-22?
PS
I do not rule out "friendly fire".

Answered above, I repeat. This Il-22 has been hovering over this section of the border since last summer, cruising back and forth all day long. in the north, he made a U-turn in the Valuyek area, in the south - I don’t know. On this unfortunate day, the crew was doing their daily routine work out of touch with the Wagner. I was away, I live north of the crash site, an elderly relative was walking in the yard, "the plane honked - then bang-bang two explosions, after a while my friends called and reported the downing."

[Incvizitor]

A person's life was estimated at 5 million rubles, well done, let him distribute it to families.

[AdAstra]

Of course, to gouge a column of rebels on a highway on the march with aviation is really very stupid, then you probably don’t need to hammer the columns of Ukrainians on the march with aviation, it’s probably better to wait until they occupy some settlement with citizens and pick them out from there, will it work? And as I think, if they wanted to gouge them like that, they would gouge them and the MANPADS would not help them much, but what they did with planes and helicopters is an armed rebellion and betrayal, and for this you need to wear a hemp tie, and not return to places of permanent deployment.

[Egg]

https://t.me/c/1549187175/1188783
The answer to the question why Wagner had air defense
Are these trucks really Wagner?

[Million]

It is not clear to whom Prigozhin is subordinate at all? Who is the owner or who gives orders to the PMC?

[nordscout]

It is difficult to analyze, and even more so to discuss on the pages of such a respected publication as VO, which happened in the country without reliable and complete information ... But I would like to draw the attention of the audience to the moral aspect of this story .... I will not "sophisticate" in writing " eloquence, I will quote from a note by Modest Kolerov dated 25.06.23/2005/2007 - Editor-in-chief of the Regnum portal, publicist, expert, historian, in the past, head of one of the Departments of the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation (XNUMX-XNUMX): "I have not experienced feelings for a long time such deep shame for my country: it has shown to the whole world, a third of which wants it outright death, predators and jackals that it is weak at the very heart of its military and political power. She showed her friends in the world that she is weak as an alternative to colonialism and imperialism ....." You can't say better. Just a few phrases, so accurately describe all those international "consequences" for Russia, another "indifference" of the authorities, all levels, to the ripening, for months, in front of the eyes of the Russians, the "boil" between the PMC "Wagner" and the leadership of the RF Ministry of Defense, which "broke through" an event classified as an attempted "military rebellion" .....

[Alister kroulegg]

Russia is leading an imperialist NWO, and what's wrong with that? I do not agree with Kolerov that this is bad

[Alexey G]

pvoshnik in the column shot down everything that took off

And why did you send it against your own??

[Konnick]

Quote: And Us Rat

Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan

The MOD’s mistake is that it entrusted expensive and deadly equipment to the lesson and its organized criminal group.

And not only him. When the courtier Shoigu's hamstrings began to tremble, they sent the group of ataman Kadyrov to suppress the group of ataman Prigozhin.
Kind of like Zimbabwe.

And there were no other police units. Yes, and sent for show. Tiktok fighters against professionals. And the army silently supported the Wagnerites.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Konnick

the army silently supported the Wagnerites

SHIELD? Why did you get scared that the army supported the psychopath's rebellion? Especially the flyers will now support those who sneered at them ...

[Alister kroulegg]

According to Prigozhin, even before the rebellion, the army mined Wagner's escape route from Artemovsk. Such is the love of the army for private traders (Wagners stole military equipment, robbed the military, about civilians, and so it is clear). I’m generally silent about the LDNR corps, they are despised there for the murders of the commanders of the "Russian spring". Wagner put themselves that way. None of the army would have gone after Prigozhin, in the Kremlin, most likely, there were forces that wanted to seize power, but did not grow together or pissed off, leaving Prigozhin a strange eccentric and traitor

[Sergei Fonov]

Nicholas! I think Rostov also supported them against the Chechens. There was a threat of a new war in the Caucasus. To prevent this from happening in the Moscow Region, new adequate people are needed.

[Drlivsi]

, this cannot be forgiven. Every crew counts, not to mention aircraft. Either let him "spread the rolls himself, or quickly (a bunny, a cockerel) get AWACS .. I considered it wise,

[Drlivsi]

There can be no justification for the downed IL-22. This is the option when someone has to answer publicly (at least with a sledgehammer)

[decimalegio]

Now the medal of the Hero of the Russian Federation will be taken away ?? Or will he continue to be awarded the title????

[Dmitrii]

Yes, this is nonsense. They deliberately shot down, first the helicopters with interference for cover, then the control board. Why haven't they said who was on it yet??? And where is Shoigu? Why isn't it shown?

[Alister kroulegg]

And before that, Shoigu was often shown or something?

[Essex62]

So he was constantly looming in the zombie box. He told me how things were going wrong in his department.

[tolmachiev51]

How can one not remember V.S. Chernomyrdin - “I wanted the best, but it turned out as always”!!! There will be a debriefing, but the issue of the General Staff and Defense Ministry must be resolved radically, they are too hooked on the “needle” of the oligarchy.

[D16]

The video shows a twin-engine plane, so this article, written by an anonymous author, is not worth the time spent reading it. I'm not talking about comments .

[Vashek]

Somehow no one clearly said whether the columns were attacked by helicopters and whether there were any losses. This explains a lot. Then the one who sent the turntables is to blame.

[TermNachTer]

Was he, this Il-22? The video shows the crash of a twin-engine plane, which is also of very poor quality. In the photo, on the ground, I saw only two engines. In addition, the Il-22 is part of the Russian Aerospace Forces, there are about 10 of them, it is quite possible to count how many there are and where they are located. In addition to Prigozhin’s words about the payment of 50 million rubles. there is no other confirmation.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Let him then build a new similar aircraft at his own expense. He has enough dough for 10.

[CBRE FB]

The plane has been under construction for three years - Prigozhin won’t live that long.

[CBRE FB]

The video of the fall clearly shows a twin-engine plane, this was confirmed by Tumanov. But officials continue to claim that a four-engine Il-22 was shot down.

[Sergei Fonov]

Many people want to hear who gave the orders for the air strikes on the columns. Why is the Ministry of Defense silent, either new or old, can the country hope for positive dynamics in the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, the old one must go, it has created a threat to the security of the country.

[Gulo]

There is a lot of information, but no sense. You have to figure out a lot of things on your own from the contradictory news. The second day they asked to listen only to verified news, but how to check it? And why is the Moscow Region silent, not commenting on anything? Strange. And in general, this story is smelly.

[Pavel57]

Prigozhin once again proved that private capital is no more effective than state capital, especially in the field of state security.

[fa2998]

Quote: Ilya-spb

I have a common question...

I have a philistine one too! Where the PMC gets the money is clear from the employer. Now they worked for the state. And Prigozhin got the money from the treasury. We take it from one pocket and transfer it to another.

[speed4fun]

This gentleman, who calls his employee a fool, should be honest and call himself not only a fool, but also a terrorist, was millimeters away from Ukraine to distort the plans of the special operation... it is very possible that the Russian Ministry of Defense Things are not being done as they should be, and if there is a personal difference between this innkeeper and the leadership of the defense, then they should fix it personally among themselves and without using military resources and, most importantly, people’s lives. As a reader from Spain, I am grateful that the disaster did not turn into something worse.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

The price of the issue is not 50 million rubles or even 50 million $: "...An eye for an eye..."

[Roman Efremov]

There are actions that nullify all past merits, no matter how many there are. Vlasov was also deserved and promising up to a certain point. If it had happened differently, in 45 he would have worn marshal stars on his shoulder straps.
So Prigozhin - that’s it, there is no more hero Prigozhin! There is a bald, ridiculous old man who, until the end of his days, will make excuses that he didn’t want what he wanted and what happened. To hide behind stupid air defense officers or someone else. Bribe the relatives of the deceased with money. But everyone already knows who is the root cause of everything. You can't rewrite history........................

[Roman Efremov]

[quote=Konnick][quote=And Us Rat][quote=Ratmir_Ryazan]
And the army silently supported the Wagnerites.[/quote]
Are you just sick, or are you a jerk?

[thrush68]

Foul-smelling substance. Small-town Fuhrer.

[Pavel57]

The latest version is that this is a performance to remove or fuck the top of the Moscow Region.

[aiden]

I wouldn't take anything from him. Especially if I were a relative of someone who died

[cast iron]

I would take it as dear as Putin has officially declared the killers innocent. We can now organize rebellions, capture Rostov with a private army and kill military pilots. If you are Putin's cook, then nothing will happen to you. And the relatives of the tax-paying population are exactly the same people who mean nothing to managers.

[AlexWar]

It's a mess, we're losing equipment, which is already in short supply.

[cast iron]

He killed people, paid the money and there is no criminal case. This is how the “law” “works” in Russia. Vote further for the bourgeoisie of EdRa and the Chief Anti-Fascist of the GDP.

[Sergey Egorov_3]

The most interesting thing is that not an, not a silt, not most of the helicopter pilots, in general, worked in Ukraine and did not know that there was any danger on the Russian side, even the border guards would have been paid, whose legs were broken...

[Plowman]

If they hit you in the face, of course you will respond. Something to keep silent about the commander of the VKS regiment based near Voronezh, woe is the commander. Launch IL-22 at such a height and turntables in the affected area of ​​MANPADS. It’s easier to blame it on Wagner.