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Do not dekulakize state property, Dmitry Anatolyevich

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Recent statements by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev and his closest associates are causing great bewilderment. It seems that the yard again 90-s. Again the word “privatization” becomes the main word at government meetings. Again, we hear about the need to put everything in “effective” private hands.

But if at the beginning of 90's we still didn’t understand what was behind these words, today we can say with confidence from the height of the past tense. We know whose hands it is. We know who “effectively” buys the property of the Russian state. And we don't want that. Two times not very clever people are attacking the same rake.

Or those who for some reason really want to step on them.
Do not dekulakize state property, Dmitry Anatolyevich


“Privatization will be the key topic on the agenda for the current Russian government, and it will develop all sectors of the economy, not just oil and gas, assured Russian First Deputy Prime Minister Igor Shuvalov.”

So: privatization is a key topic. No more and no less. It is noteworthy that First Deputy Prime Minister Shuvalov in one proposal links privatization and development. And without privatization, it is impossible to develop "all sectors of the economy"? Why development should automatically be equal to the transfer of state property in private hands? Won in China, the mass of state property and all sectors of the Chinese economy are developing perfectly.

Why says so Shuvalov? Because exactly the same thoughts are expressed by Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev.
Medvedev says so directly: it is precisely privatization that is needed for effective management of enterprises. I quote: “so that the economy develops in the right direction. This is the basis for creating a modern development model. This model should be based on private property. ”

And why on private property? Why can't the model of the economy develop effectively, where state property is also developing effectively?

What are such statements like?

They are exactly reminiscent of the actions of the young Soviet government, when, for strictly ideological reasons, on the basis of pure theory, everything private was to become public. This was dictated by Marxist ideology. The logic of the economy in the socialization of hairdressing, laundry and restaurants there was no.

So today, just as in the plans of the government there is no economic logic. There is a solid ideology. State property must be sold. Why? Because it's more efficient. Remember, the winged poster-anecdote of the period of developed socialism - "Lenin's teaching is correct, because it is true!". In the words of Prime Minister Medvedev, the evidence base is exactly the same.

By the way, when we are told about privatization, it is “as if” addressless. But ask yourself how many of your friends can buy a port or a “piece” of the Russian railway? The circle of those who buy for the rapidly cheapening money is hopelessly narrow. This is our foreign partners who simply draw this money from the air. But why does Russia need this?

But the continuation of quotations Shuvalov, which fully confirms our fears, in whose favor the government wants to sell off state property.

“Next year, we may come to the point of selling the shares of the best shipping company in the world, Sovcomflot, here on the stock exchange in New York,” said Shuvalov at this meeting, which was held as part of the “Day of Russia 2012” on Wall Street. According to him, railways, airports, river ports, health care, education are those "sectors that can be very profitable for investors."

So if Sovkomflot is the best shipping company in the world, it may not be necessary to sell it? Let's also pay attention to the title of the article: “Shuvalov assured foreign investors of the benefits of investing in Russia.” It happens in New York. And the impression is that the government is not going to call any other “investors.” And it really wants to transfer “railways, airports, river ports”, and at the same time “health care, education” to “effective” and at the same time strictly foreign hands.

But why does Russia need this?

What is the matter? Where did the government Dmitry Medvedev such privatizing itch. Where does such zeal to sell everything and everyone, having behind the back experience of voucher privatization and a lot of “effective” managers? after which, under Putin, the state took tightly standing enterprises back under its control.

Let's talk a little bit. Every family has a kind of stash for a rainy day. In the language of our government - “airbag”. It can be gold jewelry, maybe a ring with a precious stone, a bank account. Who allowed the income - as such a "pillow" bought an apartment. Each family has its own “gold reserve”. Methods can be different - the meaning is always the same. To have on a “rainy day” is something that just until this day does not depreciate and turn into dust and dust.

Sold "stash", pending on a rainy day, only with the onset of a rainy day. Not earlier. So do all normal and reasonable people.

So is there a need to sell state property today? Is there such an urgent need for privatization?

The country is essentially one big family. Which should also have a "airbag", no doubt. And she is. Previously, it was called the "Stabilization Fund", now the "pillow" was divided into two parts: the Reserve Fund and the National Wealth Fund.

In which case there is at least some logic in the sale of state property? In case of shortage of money in the budget of the country. Look at the budget 2013. The budget for 2013 year is not in short supply. Moreover, despite the direct disposal of President Putin, the government decided to spend one trillion rubles in this budget not to spend, but to send to the Reserve Fund. That is, further increase the "airbag". Let's remember –1 trillion rubles!

That is, there is enough money both for the budget and for the “stash”. Why in such a situation to sell state property? You will not sell your family's “stash”, your “family stabilization fund” and convert it to money if you don't need money? If you do not need money urgently and necessarily? Sell ​​gold family jewelry or an apartment to get money? Not. After all, on the “rainy day” they collected and saved, and since it did not come, there is still no need.

Now we are looking at the amount that Medvedev's residents are going to gain from the sale of state property in the same 2013 year. The numbers vary - from 260 billion rubles to 427 billion: http://news.ru.msn.com/privatization-2013- all- plan

There is a reasonable question. Why sell state property to 500 billion if you already plan a trillion to invest in a “pillow”? Simple everyday logic suggests a simple option: put in the “stash” not a trillion, but 500 billion rubles, and the rest of the 500 billion you will have in the form of a port, a railway and Rosneft shares. After all, these assets will not go anywhere. As was the port, so it is. And Rosneft, like pumping oil, will continue pumping. Why sell these valuable assets in order to get the money you don’t need.

Ask anyone - which is safer: a port and a railway or money? And by the way, and where this money will be invested. We look at what they are going to invest. We find the website of the Ministry of Finance, and on it the Reserve Fund. Here is the link: http://www.minfin.ru/ru/reservefund/

We look. We select the “Management” section and look into what eternal values ​​that are not subject to “corrosion” can be put into the funds of the “Reserve Fund”. What will be more reliable port and railway.

Where would you put your family savings? I am sure that gold will take the first places in popularity. But the Reserve Fund in gold can not be invested. According to law. They MUST be invested in:

- debt obligations of foreign countries;

- debt obligations of foreign government agencies and central banks;

- debt obligations of international financial organizations, including those issued with securities;

- deposits in foreign banks and credit organizations.

http://www.minfin.ru/ru/reservefund/management/

Further study the list of "eternal values" from the website of the Ministry of Finance on your own, if you have enough strength and patience. That's all and it begins to clear. The government wants to sell large objects built by the work of our people, so that the money they receive ... lend to the United States, Britain and other countries. By purchasing their debt obligations. The ones that the States have already released for $ 16 trillion.

I want to remind you that in reality the scheme of such “privatization” is nothing more than a free transfer of state assets and natural resources of Russia to the West:

After all, the money received from the sale of the port, the government of Medvedev will immediately lend to the United States, whose “investors” will buy this port.

To sum up.

1. The current round of privatization, the conductor of which is, Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev personally does not make sense from an economic point of view. Today there is no such urgent need for money to sell the last shirt, like a real alcoholic in front of drinking establishments.

2. The current round of privatization is nothing more than a disguised and held to the accompaniment of beautiful phrases, a FREE transfer of state property of Russia into the hands of the West.

3. Medvedev plans to carry out such privatization solely for ideological reasons.

Dmitry Medvedev and his government somehow believe that Russia will be better off.

Do you think so too?

Personally, I am absolutely convinced that it is not necessary to dekulakize state property in favor of ideological tenets.
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  1. YARY
    YARY 11 December 2012 15: 33
    +43
    Or those who for some reason really want to step on them.

    THEY VERY VERY WANT!
    And again we cannot do anything-we have no power over them!

    And it will not be! As long as there is no threat of losing power instantly and with consequences, everything will be only as they want! angry angry angry

    Well, this geeks worshiper finally nakolesles!
    1. Joker
      Joker 11 December 2012 15: 36
      +37
      Something more and more strengthened in my opinion that all this riffraff can be removed only by revolutionary means, you will not achieve it anymore. Shoot them all to hell and all am
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 11 December 2012 15: 38
        +3
        Quote:.
        Where would you invest your family savings?


        In the Bank, and the Bank under the bed,
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 11 December 2012 19: 59
          +20
          Quote: Vadivak
          Where would you invest your family savings?

          In the Bank, and the Bank under the bed

          And the "poor Chinese" is not afraid of banks and Treasuries, rather, they are already afraid of him:
          "In the US Treasury, China has accumulated as much as 3 trillion dollars and kept it in silence for a while. Until the 2008 crisis. And then he began to ask very uncomfortable questions. About the guarantee of the safety of funds. He was sent out of habit, since they thought that China could not do anything. After all, if he withdraws the money, he will bring down the entire system and thereby his own production market, since the demand is the main one in the USA and Europe. Since 2009, China has completely stopped the accumulation of gold reserves. Moreover, he actively shifted from a dollar to a euro by more than a trillion, thereby greatly strengthening the position of the Eurozone. In addition, he began on his territory the construction of giant storage facilities of all kinds of resources. Even those that he has in sufficient quantity. And he began to buy everything. Today, its stocks already make it possible to do without import for almost all items of about 15 years. With the money left from the sale of consumer goods, China has begun buying up production lines and advanced technologies. As soon as someone in Europe and the USA started talking about restrictions, China silently cut a ban on the export of rare earths, in the production of which it is a 97% monopolist. Strayed from all arrivals, including through the WTO, and obliged all those working with this type of raw materials to place production on their territory. By the way, who does not know, according to the legislation of China, a Chinese is required to own 51% of the production. China, despite the unprecedented pressure on it, did not launch a "goat in the garden" - it did not give control to the Rothschilds over any of its banks or companies operating in the stock market. And with Hong Kong, where this rule does not apply, the markets are simply divided in two. In general, he closed access to the right to acquire shares by foreigners on a rather long list of listed companies. And this state of affairs “suspended” the Rothschilds worse than anything else. They have already ruined the USA to such an extent that return to the base is impossible, they didn’t let them into China, Hong Kong will soon be taken away, and "where to go to a poor Jew." http://oko-planet.su/politik/politiklist/148100-geopolitika-konca-sveta-chast-2-
          2-globalnye-igroki-i-ih-osnovnye-harakteristiki-ssha.html
          Interestingly, our "financial heads" do not evoke any associations?
        2. donchepano
          donchepano 12 December 2012 07: 02
          +6
          The project of the next dragging away of the remaining property and the property of Russia Already, in general, conscience and fear have been lost.
          Well, it’s not an enemy power
      2. Delink
        Delink 11 December 2012 16: 24
        +14
        Shoot them all to hell and all

        I agree with you completely.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 16: 54
          +7
          They obviously do not leave a choice to treat them in any other way ...
          1. Botanologist
            Botanologist 11 December 2012 17: 49
            +13
            Primakov's report on looters like Medvedev. http://argumenti.ru/society/n368/218030
            Finally, trying to organize a cut, iPhone unfinished.
        2. Ruslan
          Ruslan 11 December 2012 21: 05
          +6
          Quote: Delink
          I agree with you completely.
          Not that they didn’t deserve it-to rip the skins alive from the freaky freaks and their accomplices - to pull the future rulers on the chairs and armchairs in which, so as to remember the freaks that they might wait for
          Well, on the topic of privatization, the fifth column is needed for the final deindustrialization of the country so that no more than 15 mil citizens live in Russia.
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 11 December 2012 22: 11
          +8
          Well, what are you so ganged up on Putin's friendship? He’s not the only one, there are many of them in the Kremlin. Together curales, let them now answer together! And then it seems that it’s Medvedev Dr. Evil, and all the rest are white and fluffy.
          http://demotivation.me/r2pc9musdx66pic.html
          And we don’t have to shoot anyone, we still need to rebuild the BAM and Siberia must be re-mastered after Putin’s deindustrialization.
          The main thing is not to let the reptiles escape from Russia with the loot
          http://svoim.info/201250/?50_4_2
          "In this regard, we appeal to the international community, the leaders of states with a proposal after the termination of their official functions by the following persons:

          V.V. Putin, D.A. Medvedev, N.P. Patrushev, R.G. Nurgaliev, S.V. Lavrov, D.V. Manturov, S.K. Shoigu, A.V. Bortnikov, B.V. Gryzlov, S.B. Ivanov, V.A. Kolokoltsev, V.I. Matvienko, S.E. Naryshkin, M.E. Fradkov, M.V. Babich, A.D. Beglov, N.A. Vinnichenko, V.P. Ivanov and V.I. Ishaev, A.V. Konovalov, N.E. Makarov, Yu.S. Osipov, G.S. Poltavchenko, V.E. Pronichev, V.A. Puchkov, A.G. Siluanov, S.S. Sobyanin, V.A. Tolokonsky, V.V. Ustinov, A.G. Khloponin, I.R. Kholmskikh, Yu. Chaika, I.I. Shuvalov, V.Yu. Surkov, D.N. Kozak, D.O. Rogozin, A.V. Dvorkovich, O. Yu. Golodets, A.R. Belousov, V.V. Volodin, M.V. Margelov, V.A. Vasiliev, E.M. Shkolov, A.A. Kotenkov - to prevent them from leaving Russia and to restrict their opportunities to use foreign financial accounts and real estate. "
          1. freedom
            freedom 12 December 2012 00: 15
            0
            And immediately introduce a peacekeeping contingent, simultaneously with the introduction of a no-fly zone. WELL DONE! !!
        4. merkel1961
          merkel1961 11 December 2012 23: 15
          +2
          DelinkWhy did the liberals call the legendary intelligence agent Kuznetsov a terrorist or a saboteur from the "bloody NKVD"? Why, he was hunting the Chief Occupant, and Nikolai's case is right, because that's right!
          1. Sergh
            Sergh 12 December 2012 00: 01
            0
            Quote: S_mirnov
            Well, what are you so ganged up on Putin's friendship?

            What, stuck? In my team, too, in the zeros there was such a friend, do not spill water, only two years later I realized what kind of bitch, barely shot off, sorry I kicked out, still spit !!!

            And in life you probably are BULL or pedross, constantly pushing the wave, guarding ?!
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 12 December 2012 23: 03
              0
              "Drive the wave constantly, alert ?!" - awful? - and you (deleted by censorship) ... don't pee!
      3. Sleptsoff
        Sleptsoff 11 December 2012 18: 49
        +5
        The revolutions in Russia show that one riffraff is always replaced by another, plus the country rolls back in development. All this has already passed and more than once, but the fools do not learn anything.
        1. DmitriRazumov
          DmitriRazumov 11 December 2012 22: 11
          +4
          This happens everywhere and not only in Russia. Bismarck, as you know, wrote that dreamers conceive revolutions, carry out fanatics, and villains use their fruits. The entire 20th century, using the example of the Russian Federation, proved the truth of this statement. While other rich people gained, our country was losing and getting poorer. And the biggest losses are human capital, because in wars and revolutions, as is known, the most active and valuable personnel die.
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 12 December 2012 00: 18
          +5
          Fuck one or two! The revolution of 17 years - was accompanied by a civil war, led to the coming to power of Stalin and the incredible progress of the USSR.
          Another revolution of the 90th year (the revolution of party-nomenclature) - practical bloodlessness, led to the collapse of the USSR, sharp degradation, such scum came to power that it did not dream of nightmares.
          Two different revolutions, not at all similar in consequences. Those. You generalize and simplify a rather complicated process!
          1. DmitriRazumov
            DmitriRazumov 12 December 2012 10: 25
            -2
            Not at all, colleague, if you look at the price that was paid for industrialization (millions of citizens who were tortured in the camps by no means the worst), the degradation of the village, accompanied by the destruction of the best military leading cadres, and indeed all those who think less. could not or failed to adapt. And also as a result - huge losses in the first years of the Second World War, then everything will become clear ...
            1. S_mirnov
              S_mirnov 12 December 2012 22: 49
              0
              There is such a community "memorial" (funded because of the Ganitsa), the main goal is to reobilit the repressed. After the rehabilitation of 2 million individuals, things did not go any further. These are all victims of the Soviet regime, including criminals and maniacs. for interest, compare with the decline in the population of the Russian Federation after the collapse of the USSR. Be surprised.
      4. Civil
        Civil 11 December 2012 23: 08
        -4
        Joker,

        stuffing article against Medvedev, I’m not getting into politics.
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 11 December 2012 23: 10
          0
          Quote: Civil
          this is a failure in the current economic situation!

          Is there still much to fail?
        2. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 12 December 2012 00: 49
          +7
          Politics means "many interests". If a person does not "climb" into politics, then his interest is one or zero. The hockey team that crashed on the plane also did not get into politics (not all absolutely, but many), like the people in Krymsk, the Russian population of Chechnya, the spectators of "Nord-Ost", only politics itself came to them and very severely punished those who "did not climb" into politics, and what is most offensive, the minority who did go into politics, but could not achieve nichrome, because the majority did not deign to get into politics!
      5. Vito
        Vito 12 December 2012 11: 15
        0
        Joker Hello FRIENDS! drinks




        Something more and more strengthened in my opinion that all this shusher can be removed only in a revolutionary way,

        TOGETHER WE GO !!! It's time to end this madhouse.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 15: 37
      +14
      Quote: Ardent
      And it will not be! As long as there is no threat of loss of power instantly and with consequences,

      What will be the offer Andrew? The threat of instant loss of power is something like this hi
      1. YARY
        YARY 11 December 2012 15: 51
        +10
        And there is easier-MORE.
        The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "leaning" - that is. without protection and any escort-(1 will have to think about the national composition of this assembly and its religion) and announce your reasons for your own actions ( 2 PR managers sideways, mother will have to open the truth) and after the whole action to listen to the opinions of people about this and that, being a "lower and lower" citizen until the people decide with you.
        Here it is Russian democracy in action.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 15: 54
          +12
          Quote: Ardent
          The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "leaning" - that is. without protection and any escort-

          Ahahahaha, we need to write this to our first persons, I wonder how they will react belay I think after that proposal, instead of the Kremlin regiment, there will be a Kremlin division laughing
          They will listen to us and do exactly the opposite.
          1. YARY
            YARY 11 December 2012 16: 05
            +3
            I absolutely agree with you! Is it easier than creating an NSA and thinking how to make it so that a Russian woman would bring seven souls again?
            1. YARY
              YARY 11 December 2012 16: 46
              +4
              But there is a real and extremely democratic way to control power! Not by force and not by revolutions, but by law and responsibility before him.
              1st and foremost! Anyone who stands for election at any level is required to secure all his campaign promises with a legal obligation. With an exact indication of the time of their execution!

              2nd [b] Any unfulfilled obligation entails removal from power, followed by compensation to the people for harm caused to them.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 50
                +5
                Quote: Ardent
                1st and foremost! Anyone who stands for election at any level is required to secure all his campaign promises with a legal obligation. With an exact indication of the time of their execution!

                2nd Any unfulfilled obligation entails the removal from power with subsequent compensation to the people of harm caused to him

                Andrei, and who of our unfortunate representatives will adopt such a law, they don’t want to deprive themselves of their beloved immunity, and only compensation for losses ............ Now, if a State Duma deputy is sitting on a site, he’ll read your post and smiles strongly
                1. YARY
                  YARY 11 December 2012 16: 59
                  +2
                  Alexander
                  There are words, but there are concept. Words and rumors, and conversations, and disputes, sooner or later become an idea. But an idea is just a "spirit without flesh" until it acquires - a concept.
                  Idea Liability real and inevitable, instant already owns the minds of people, people of all kinds.
                  I just voiced two articles concepts.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 17: 05
                    +1
                    Quote: Ardent
                    But an idea is just a "spirit without flesh" until it acquires - a concept.

                    The law on confiscation is long overdue, there is a concept but no spirit. They will not accept against themselves, they are the power and that’s it.
                    1. YARY
                      YARY 11 December 2012 17: 13
                      +5
                      Who's stopping the president from asking a question-
                      "Are you ready to formalize your promises legally? And answer before the law if they are not fulfilled?"
                      On TV in the Press, At a meeting with voters, at "round oval and round tables. Someone should ask this question!"
                      By answering no, he will demonstrate that he is a liar! And no one else will trust him. Answering "YES" (which I want to be sure of) he will have to go down this path! And believe me there will be no way back.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 17: 24
                        +6
                        Quote: Ardent
                        On TV in the Press, At a meeting with voters, at "round oval and round tables. Someone should ask this question!"
                        By answering no, he will demonstrate that he is a liar

                        Even if such a question is asked, he will answer, but answer so streamlined that it will be YES, NO. And then we will argue, so what did he really say. what And ultimately we conclude that there is NOTHING hiWe went to the cons, I see the deputy went to the site, probably now all of us will justify their cons wink
                      2. YARY
                        YARY 11 December 2012 17: 27
                        +2
                        It already concerns the manner of asking questions. When an answer is required, either YES or NO verbiage is sideways. Since it is easy to convict in verbiage, it’s even easier to understand that this person just wants to get away from the direct answer. hi
              2. S_mirnov
                S_mirnov 11 December 2012 22: 18
                +2
                Why reinvent the wheel, active people have long developed how to implement this.
                http://igpr.ru/nasha_tsel
                There is a concept that has already been discussed and improved many times, just supporting it is enough. True, real action is needed there, and this is much worse than just chatting on the Internet. Ready?
              3. wow
                wow 11 December 2012 23: 07
                +1
                We know from history that Dr. In Greece, in the city-state of Athens, the elected mayor reported on his "work" annually in the agora (square for meetings of citizens). If the "demos" considered his work satisfactory during the year, then his bust was exhibited in the Pantheon, if not, then this mayor was publicly beaten to death with sticks (right on the agora). So historians know that only Pericles was honored with a bust, the rest - Alas! The Athenian mayors had a responsible job, you know ...
                1. S_mirnov
                  S_mirnov 12 December 2012 00: 25
                  +2
                  Oh, these tales, oh, these storytellers! Everyone is trying to convince that there are no people in Russia who are ready to risk their lives for the good of the motherland. Are you afraid that there will be no person who decides to become president of the Russian Federation, and then the union, think fine!
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 11 December 2012 21: 21
          +1
          Quote: Ardent
          The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "standing up"

          Colleague, well, you are harsh! This is, in the sense that with the people with fear not to be guessed, to take an enema in advance? GESTURE !!!! good
          "empty - (-I'm, -you, 1 and 2 l. not used), -is; sov. (simple). Get rid of the contents, empty. The bag has not yet been empty. || non-sov. -Yes, 1 and 2 l. not used), -is. " - " Explanatory dictionary of the Russian language Ozhegov " drinks
          1. YARY
            YARY 11 December 2012 22: 16
            +1
            Yes, exactly, but then they didn't say, "Don't talk shit!" or "He's full of shit"
            And certainly they didn’t write such a thing, but an idiom took place. To say goodbye in the time of Novgorod meant to be freed from all that was unnecessary and superfluous.
            But it is possible that you indicated Ozhegov also accept.
            I'm not special, that's how it is said (from memory) the translation into the modern - ".... the prince went out to the people in clothes (albeit expensive), simple and alone (without protection) bowed to the people, the city, the church, and the family. ... "
        3. X-55
          X-55 11 December 2012 21: 40
          0
          The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "leaning" - that is. without security and any escort

          Your words look good with this picture laughing
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/000/tqmw939.jpg
        4. X-55
          X-55 11 December 2012 21: 42
          0
          The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "leaning" - that is. without security and any escort

          Your words look good with this picture
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/000/tqmw939.jpg
        5. X-55
          X-55 11 December 2012 21: 43
          +5
          The ruler is obliged to go out to the people "leaning" - that is. without protection and any escort-

          Your words are in harmony with this picture. laughing
          1. S_mirnov
            S_mirnov 12 December 2012 00: 27
            +1
            Our forgivable, the State Department preys on them, wants to punish for joining the WTO and infringement of democracy! laughing
          2. Bubo
            Bubo 12 December 2012 06: 24
            0
            As if not to lie, but it seems that this happened to Alexander III. When at the end of the XNUMXth century such a concept as "bombers" appeared in Russia, he was offered to strengthen the security, in general, to do something similar to the present day, guard the regiment, cordoned off streets. To which Alexander replied: "How am I! Yes, I will hide from my people!" And our two sour friends are clearly "squeamish" by the people! In general, we have different life values ​​and priorities.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 December 2012 16: 05
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        What will be the offer Andrew? The threat of instant loss of power is something like this

        Or maybe so. laughing
        1. Ymidge
          Ymidge 11 December 2012 18: 52
          +4
          As I understand it, if there is no war, there will be a revolution ... One hell is nothing to lose.
    3. starshina78
      starshina78 11 December 2012 19: 37
      +4
      It may be screwed up, but his predecessor, Boris Yeltsin and his company, screwed up so much that we still hiccup. Medvedev is selling the rest, the previous ones sold almost everything. I will tell you how these "effective private hands" run factories in our city: a metallurgical plant - a third of the shops are working, the rest are either on lease; tyazhmash - the leftovers of equipment are sold (managers come, they force the turner to remove the part, the locksmith pulls off the machine and for sale), premises and workshops are leased from a plant that produces unique equipment operating in the USA, Japan, Germany, and more workshops were made in 26 countries of the world; chemical plant - one might say grunted, continuous rent is not a core business; the plant - a giant connected with the atom - works, but half-heartedly. These are the "effective managers". They can only sell, but they do not have enough intelligence to manufacture something. And where does it come from, if basically those who run enterprises do not have a specialized education, at best, the "fencing university" faculty is an "effective manager". The owners or former party members (functionaries from the CPSU), Komsomol members (former secretaries of city, regional, regional organizations who had access to the Komsomol cash register), and the main ones are people from the KGB (FSB), high or middle-level cops (generals or colonels ). They manage in a peculiar way: for example, our general director: bought cars for 120000 euros, a helicopter, from the factory camp site he made a personal hunting farm for shooting wild boars and elks; the second person in the plant - some director - is building a castle with a golf club on several hectares on the banks of the Moscow river - all at the expense of the plant. This is "good governance".
      1. donchepano
        donchepano 12 December 2012 07: 20
        +1
        [quote = starshina78] (managers come, make the turner take off the part, lock the machine tool and sell it), the premises and workshops are leased from the factory producing unique equipment operating in the USA, Japan, Germany, in 26 countries have made workshops; chemical plant - [/ quote

        WELL THIS IS A SPECIFIC DESTRUCTION OF THE INDUSTRY!

        THIS IS THE ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE!
    4. Ascetic
      Ascetic 11 December 2012 22: 29
      +6
      Quote: Ardent
      Well, this geeks worshiper finally nakolesles!


      He has been playing tricks for a long time, because he is not afraid for 37 years. And they would come for him ..

      1. YARY
        YARY 11 December 2012 23: 02
        +3
        Uv Stanislav
        About the fact that our "rulers" EVERYTHING since 91 only distribute our lands, I said when it came to Domansky !!!
        They almost branded me "orange"!
        And this was done by Putin. I finally can’t talk about the sea borders from Shevardnadze to Dima.
        About 080808, I also asked the same questions, again attacked like an enemy!
        So what will we be like stravus? Or is it time to always judge by deeds and not by words? !!
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 11 December 2012 23: 22
          +3
          Quote: Ardent
          About the fact that our "rulers" EVERYTHING since 91 only distribute our lands, I said when it came to Domansky !!!

          Andrew, look;
          Ulyanov reduced Russia in Poland and Finland.
          Khrushchev - gave the Crimea.
          Brezhnev - left Russia without the Damansky Peninsula.
          Shevardnadze gave the Americans the Russian sea spaces of the Bering and Chukchi Seas: Russia lost about 30 thousand square kilometers.
          Yeltsin - Destroyed the indestructible Union.
          1. YARY
            YARY 11 December 2012 23: 41
            +4
            Brezhnev? Gave it? Domansky?
            For the rest, it is true, but Lenya would have bitten the Chinese himself and not given Domansky to them. Putin gave in "friendly feelings"
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 11 December 2012 23: 46
              +2
              Quote: Ardent
              Brezhnev? Gave it? Domansky?
              For the rest, it is true, but Lenya would have bitten the Chinese himself and not given Domansky to them. Putin gave in "friendly feelings"

              You may not believe it, but this is our story — everything else is propaganda of the Western and our media — you would CREATE!

              De facto all this time the island was with the Chinese. Putin only stated the state of affairs established thirty years before.
          2. WW3
            WW3 12 December 2012 01: 26
            +5
            Cavas,
            Shevardnadze was Minister of Foreign Affairs of the USSR, Gorbaty was not to blame for giving powers to him ...
            President D. Medvedev gave Azerbaijan half the water intake of the Samur River, which completely belonged to Russia, and two villages of the Magaramkent district of Russian Dagestan, together with 600 Lezghins, citizens of the Russian Federation. Thus, a new border was established between Russia and Azerbaijan.
            Gorbachev began shredding, allowing E. Shevardnadze to “delimit” sea spaces in the Bering and Chukchi Seas so that the United States crossed 200 Russian miles of the economic zone, 7,7 thousand square kilometers of the water surface and 46,3 thousand square kilometers of the continental shelf. Destroying the USSR, B. Yeltsin did not stand on ceremony with the borders ... Vladimir Putin, as president, presented China with Tarabarov Island and part of Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island along the Amur River, which, according to Khabarovsk economists, caused Russia $ 3-4 billion damage . Medvedev already noted with a broad gesture towards Norway, giving this country 86 thousand square kilometers of Russian territory in the economic zone of the Barents Sea, where our fishermen produced 50% of the northern fish.

            http://pereklichka.livejournal.com/108006.html
            Here only comrade Stalin is needed. Under him, the borders of the USSR were expanded to the maximum.
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 12 December 2012 01: 43
              +3
              Quote: WW3
              Medvedev already noted with a broad gesture towards Norway, giving this country 86 thousand square kilometers of Russian territory in the economic zone of the Barents Sea, where our fishermen produced 50% of the northern fish.

              Correction:
              Medvedev-gave Norway half of the Barents Sea with an area of ​​about 175 thousand square meters. km
              Quote: WW3
              Vladimir Putin, as president, gave China the island of Tarabarov and part of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky island along the Amur River, which, according to Khabarovsk economists, caused Russia $ 3-4 billion of damage.

              The press wrote a lot that China finally got Tarabarov Island and half of the Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island at the confluence of the Amur and Ussuri. True, it was only mentioned in passing that the Bolshoi Island (aka Abagaytuy, aka No. 280) on the Argun River in the Trans-Baikal Territory was also divided in half.
              Digging up the story is interesting (I gave you the beginning), do not be like grief-writers who built such mountains of lies that our children still have to rake and rake!
              And so soon we will agree that the GDP of a tyrant and bears walk in our streets, as Western media say! laughing
              1. WW3
                WW3 12 December 2012 01: 56
                +3
                Lada .. amendment adopted ...drinks . of those who were and stood at the helm of the country, I like Stalin, Brezhnev, Andropov, well, as for Putin, let the liberals and corrupt officials "tighten the screws" ... as he used to say .. about terrorists - a clear and clear signal .. ..
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 12 December 2012 02: 05
                  +4
                  Quote: WW3
                  Of those who were and stood at the helm of the country, I like Stalin, Brezhnev, Andropov, and as for Putin, let the liberals tighten the screws ... as he said before ... about terrorists - a clear and clear signal ...

                  "Do not create an idol for yourself, do not worship him" (c) the Bible.
                  drinks
                  Today, many idealize, extol or honor the pop and sports stars, politicians and religious leaders. Moreover, money has become a god for people. In any case, these idols are not at all what people consider them to be. Idols are unable to meet the expectations of their admirers. For example, wealth may seem to be the solution to all problems, but the power of wealth is deceiving (Mark 4:19). One researcher asks the question: “How to explain the fact that many, having acquired what they so aspired to and believed in as a panacea, experience only disappointment, despair, or just shock?” For the pursuit of wealth, a person can sacrifice true values: health, family happiness, friendship, or a precious relationship with the Creator. Idols turn out to be just “vain and false gods” (Jonah 2: 8). hi
            2. donchepano
              donchepano 12 December 2012 07: 27
              +4
              Quote: WW3
              giving this country 86 thousand square kilometers of Russian territory in the economic zone of the Barents Sea, where our fishermen produced 50% of the northern fish.


              NIGHTMARE YES THESE ARE SINGLE ENEMIES OF PEOPLE
        2. Cavas
          Cavas 11 December 2012 23: 38
          +3
          Quote: Ardent
          I spoke when it came to Domansky !!!
          They almost branded me "orange"!
          And Putin did it.

          Andrey and again you are wrong!
          “After the ice melted, the exit of the Soviet border guards to Damansky turned out to be difficult and the Chinese attempts to capture it had to be prevented by sniper and machine-gun fire. On September 10, 1969, fire was ordered to cease, apparently to create a favorable background for negotiations that began the next day at the Beijing airport. and Kirkinsky were occupied by the Chinese armed forces.
          On September 11, in Beijing, the Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR A. N. Kosygin, who was returning from the funeral of Ho Chi Minh, and the Premier of the State Council of the People's Republic of China, Zhou Enlai, agreed to stop hostile actions and that the troops remain in their positions. In fact, this meant the transfer of Damansky to China. "

          The border crossing agreement on the eastern section of the border along the main channel was signed in May 1991, under Gorbi, ratified by the RF Armed Forces in February 1992, under the EBN. Daman is on the Chinese side.
          1. YARY
            YARY 11 December 2012 23: 46
            +1
            I will read it. But if so ... It's a shame however.
    5. alexey garbuz
      alexey garbuz 11 December 2012 23: 04
      0
      Nakurolesyat with his oral presentation, and he will voice what he is told.
  2. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 15: 34
    +11
    According to law. They MUST be invested in:

    - debt obligations of foreign countries;

    - debt obligations of foreign government agencies and central banks;

    - debt obligations of international financial organizations, including those issued with securities;

    - deposits in foreign banks and credit organizations.


    What is stopping the president or united Russia from changing the law today? Medvedev himself muddied all privatization, what is happening in our state?
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2012 15: 39
      +9
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What is stopping the president or united Russia from changing the law today?


      Indeed, what prevents a bad dancer?
      1. YARY
        YARY 11 December 2012 16: 07
        +2
        These and that Nem! Didn’t you know Vadim?
        1. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 December 2012 16: 16
          +11
          YARY,

          There may be eggs, but there is an absence with the brains, I remember how in 2011, by decree lawyer Medvedev and banned the sale of incandescent lamps in connection with the transition to energy-saving
          1. Ymidge
            Ymidge 11 December 2012 18: 55
            +5
            He somehow forgot about light bulbs, today he has the main feature of alcoholism!
            Truth about addiction Dimon not a word! But prostitution will probably become a new topic. Like, in the Netherlands ... medical safety .. again taxes ... well, and other crap ... it will become.
      2. Andrey64
        Andrey64 11 December 2012 16: 42
        +5
        No matter how corny it sounds, but the lack of sovereignty hinders the implementation of fundamental changes. They are not afraid of the threat of a momentary loss of power, because in this situation, everyone will quickly go skiing in the west, where most keep their property and accounts. It is not for nothing that they stubbornly inhibit and ignore the bill in the State Duma banning officials from having property and accounts abroad.
    2. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 11 December 2012 15: 39
      +7
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What is stopping the president or united Russia from changing the law today?

      The president is not ready for drastic steps. The law adopted by the liberals. The government which will cheat the teddy iPhone EP which does not drip anyway. Continue to continue?
      1. FID
        FID 11 December 2012 15: 46
        +11
        The master of winter time, what else can I say.
        1. strannik595
          strannik595 11 December 2012 16: 00
          +9
          if we manage public property so effectively, the logical end will be like that in a Chinese restaurant ............ I would not want such an end
          1. Ymidge
            Ymidge 11 December 2012 18: 57
            +1
            strannik595,
            Finishes playing, and will snoop in the diner, in Paris! .. yes
        2. Vadivak
          Vadivak 11 December 2012 16: 02
          +3
          Quote: SSI
          Lord of the winter time

          He is a great switchman
        3. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 12 December 2012 06: 44
          +1
          SSI "Lord of winter time, what else can I say." -GOLD WORDS!!! Another 100 pluses !!!
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 05
        +14
        Quote: Ruslan67
        President not ready for sharp steps

        He is the third term in power and is still not ready belay So when then?
        1. Ruslan67
          Ruslan67 11 December 2012 16: 15
          +9
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          He is the third term in power and is still not ready

          Not ready not according to the service life, but in principle
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 16: 55
            +8
            Then it is not "not ready", but simply "not suitable" ...
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 11 December 2012 15: 58
      +5
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      What is stopping the president or united Russia from changing the law today? Medvedev himself muddied all privatization, what is happening in our state?

      - I would hope that this is only Medvedev's Wishlist. Then a conflict in power structures is inevitable. What this conflict will result in is also unknown.
      If this is not Medvedev’s wish, but the decision finally made by the authorities, that is, Putin and Medvedev decided it, then privatization is destined to happen, and we won’t do anything here. But then you need to understand - why this privatization? Why give the property in favor of Amer?
      Although it should be noted that in Kazakhstan all the largest enterprises of both the metallurgical and the oil industry are traded on the same exchange, and nothing. The factories have not been transferred to the place where the exchange is, there are jobs, these factories pay taxes. On the contrary, it became even quieter - before that Mashkevich (who privatized all these enterprises in Kazakhstan) fought to death with the brothers Cherny and Luchansky (allegedly the Aglitsky firm TransWorld Group, TWG, which disputed the results of that privatization), where loud murders rocked Kazakhstan. Well, so we have transferred from dirty private hands to relatively clean western ones, it has become even more civilized. And in Russia, what's the point of giving away STATE enterprises? Again, according to dirty liberal tricks, supposedly, "a private owner is better than the state," and "the state, it seems, is a bad manager"? Yeah.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 10
        +5
        Quote: aksakal
        I would like to hope that this is only Medvedevskaya Wishlist

        Before they take such steps, they at least put the president in the course, there will be no privatization without Putin’s consent.
        1. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 17: 00
          +2
          I am sure that there is such agreement - a conversation about this did not arise yesterday ...
        2. ser86
          ser86 11 December 2012 17: 48
          -1
          Agree
          A great number of companies selling gas and fuel "Gazprom" is LLC
          and the right people own them, or rather families from Gazprom’s parent enterprises, because of this there is no competition between them and they dictate the price

          In my city there are such firms, one of them has recently included in the price of gasoline its transportation, as a result of which gasoline has become more expensive than in Moscow

          Therefore, I believe that privatization is needed to create competition, but depending on what scale, of course

          Do not forget that you can nationalize even countries such as Bolivia can afford it, but screams we all die is not new
          1. donchepano
            donchepano 12 December 2012 07: 37
            0
            [quote = ser86] it is possible to nationalize even countries such as Bolivia can afford it [/ quote
            + + +
        3. Garrin
          Garrin 11 December 2012 17: 51
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Before they take such steps, they at least put the president in the course, there will be no privatization without Putin’s consent.

          Naturally, a couple soprut everything.
        4. Ribwort
          Ribwort 11 December 2012 21: 49
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Before they take such steps, they at least put the president in the course, there will be no privatization without Putin’s consent.

          I think we should start with the fact that without the consent of the president, not only concrete steps, statements of this kind cannot exist in principle. However, the absence of such statements from the lips of the MOST leaves a chance for his supporters to attempt his rehabilitation: "Well, he was not to blame - he did not know ..."
        5. donchepano
          donchepano 12 December 2012 07: 35
          +1
          Alexander Romanov,
          ] Before they take such steps, at least put the president in the course, there will be no privatization without Putin’s consent. [/ Quote]

          Yes, they have all decided together for a long time. Dima only voiced
      2. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 17: 00
        +1
        Looks like you don’t get used to trading in the Motherland - here they sold the former national heritage into neat Western hands and immediately felt good - no problems, the owners of the havchik would throw the cattle and stand, grunt or blay in the stall, and managing it yourself is such a responsibility! Everyone is calm ...
        There is only direct external control left - it will become even calmer ...
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 11 December 2012 17: 34
          +2
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          they sold the former national heritage into neat western hands and immediately felt good - no problem, the owners of the havchik would throw the cattle and stand, grunt or blay in the stall, and managing it yourself would be such a responsibility! Everyone is calm ...
          - it is understandable, in other countries state property was left in state ownership, only the effectiveness of this abandonment in the economy did not increase, the best proof of this is that the citizens of "sold out" Kazakhstan do not travel as guest workers to Russia, causing unnecessary irritation and outbursts of xenophobia. Looks like they are very generous
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          hawchka to cattle
          , according to your expression. Moreover, in Atyrau (this is in the same "sold out" Kazazstan, there are construction crews from Astrakhan, although they are more expensive than guest workers from "unsold" countries, here they are without fingers, but they work better and better quality, and at complex objects they are even more And all this is crowned with the fact that in terms of industrial and scientific potential, the legacy of the "unsold" country got much better - the USSR somehow loved its daughters very selectively, to whom the dress "haute couture", and to whom the dress of the stepdaughter will do, Nothing, who is actually worth what, a difficult time has shown -))))))).
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 18: 10
            0
            In addition to the brigades from Astrakhan, it is quite possible that what Germans or Japanese can be seen - so what? What is this talking about? Yes, actually ...
            It’s not enough for you, just one armful in the stall is enough for everyone, but if you had a population with a comparable density, like in the Valley, I would see where your gaster would take care ...
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 11 December 2012 20: 28
              +2
              Quote: Brother Sarich
              Few of you are simple, here is one armful in the stall at all

              - I do not agree. With skillful leadership, a large population turns into a very powerful advantage. That's just if the ship-factories were sold on time, they would give people jobs, and people would not go anywhere - they would start consuming, spurring their demand on the further development of industry. The same TAPOiCh that prevented the sale of Russia? This TAPOiCh from Tashkent would not have disappeared, your specialists would have worked there. And the IL-476 released by TAPOiCH would still be considered Uzbek. And so - and TAPOiCha is now gone, and Uzbekistan will now lose its aviation competencies inherited from the USSR, and Russia is forced to establish production in the very Ulyanovsk plant, which is very weak. And for example, the same Lee Kuan Yu generally sold everything at first, literally the whole of Singapore, and then assembled it. Applying brains, and not following ideological dogmas, even if the dogmas really like.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 22: 16
                0
                And where to give people a job? There is not enough agricultural land, plants are not self-sufficient, but are part of the collapsed technological chains ...
                And who was going to buy TAPOiCh? Nobody was going to buy it, for that matter ... They sold it if someone bought it ...
                Those enterprises that are self-sufficient, especially raw materials, live well, in any case not so bad ...
  3. NAV-STAR
    NAV-STAR 11 December 2012 15: 35
    +14
    Medvedev definitely represents the liberal stratum of the elite, and his actions make it clear that there are statesmen, and there are balaboli lobbying for the interests of big business. And if in Russia things go for the state officials, Medvedev and his team will share Serdyukov’s fate in the middle of next year.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2012 15: 45
      +11
      Quote: NAV-STAR
      Medvedev definitely represents the liberal stratum of the elite,

      If the concept is liberal, then yes - a bunch of verbiage and embezzlers
  4. omsbon
    omsbon 11 December 2012 15: 54
    +11
    I’ll say the same thing for the hundredth time iPhone Plush As soon as possible.
    1. Ribwort
      Ribwort 11 December 2012 21: 52
      0
      Quote: omsbon
      iPhone plush RUNNING ASAP.

      Interesting ... And what prevents Putin from putting another in his place
      Quote: omsbon
      iPhone Teddy
      ??
  5. bubla5
    bubla5 11 December 2012 16: 05
    +4
    Every day it gets worse and worse, these kindergarteners are already sickened up, they have grown up on their own heads, probably they want to slam the door for the last time, I don’t understand nichrome, such profitable enterprises were destroyed or sold to RAO UES, how many plants were needed, it turns out that it’s necessary to finish it off, even I have no words
  6. Igarr
    Igarr 11 December 2012 16: 10
    +10
    Well, is there an impeachment procedure? Distrust of the president. There is? There is.
    And who appoints the executive branch? The president.
    That means, since the President is the guarantor and voice of the People ... then he should wave his saber.
    So?
    It remains to understand ... how many people need? and what kind of people should the Voice have?
    And also to understand - how to initiate - the impeachment procedure, a vote of no confidence? And by whom?
    ...
    Something goes a lot ... Voices of the People, do not you?
    The State Duma - one entirely elected representatives.
    The President is one such ... weighty Voice.
    ...
    And we, the people, are silent.
    And knock on the clave.
    ...
    Maybe we’ll write a letter, a collective one. Guarantor of the Constitution?
    Huh?
    From each letter by letter - "War and Peace on the Quiet Don" will turn out.
    1. YARY
      YARY 11 December 2012 16: 35
      +2
      Good day Igor!
      "Yegor came from beyond the blue mountains" So it is not against this! Let's make a petition already! How will Tok-ma read it? Or won't he read? Or will you read it through?
      How do you know something? And will he play a "good king" and just that?
      Not in word but in deed! "Believe not in words but in deeds"
      1. Igarr
        Igarr 11 December 2012 19: 01
        +1
        We’ll post on the site ... Avito, for example ... there are a lot of readers ... there.
        Joke..
        Only if it’s normal to approach this matter ..
        -You can ask the site administration to place it;
        -Directly to LJ Medvedev, he started a page not only to be printed;
        -Just in LJ, the same Odnoklassniki, in VKontakte .. anywhere ..
        How did Makarevich deliver an open letter? Spies tossed up anonymous letters, or what?
        That is not the problem.
        Say what?
        Express your dissatisfaction? Or offer a program?
        And we will get an answer - a reply ... yes, yes, everything is relevant, we (the government) will work, and you help, but don't bother...
        And then what?
        ...
        It’s time to create a party. Take power into your own hands.
        ...
        At one time, Leiba Bronstein arrived, Peter captured.
        Mosht ... again, whom to call?
        Here ... Eugene (Pupyrchaty) ... like a normal person. He served as a military man.
        We ask, no?
        Power, as a result, all the same, went to Stalin.
        Who will appoint ... Stalin?
        1. Cavas
          Cavas 11 December 2012 20: 23
          +5
          Quote: Igarr
          Here ... Eugene (Pupyrchaty) ... like a normal person. He served as a military man.

          In-in, he's on you Petrovka 38 in the mossad and bring! laughing
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 11 December 2012 21: 47
            +2
            No..
            we will invite him to us .. for the first time or what?
            Then there are some ... supposedly Varangians ... hobbling ... Trurick there, Sineus .. - I took a closer look - the same .. (Ukrainians .. in the usual reading. ... ohh.)
            Then suddenly Peter the Great ... some kind of Levengukov ... invited ... looking - again ours ..
            Then suddenly ... Urals raise ... but no .. only the Stroganovs and Buturlins can work there ...
            ..
            Eh ... the Rasea is wide ... but there is no order in it ...
            ...
            Only Pimpled and have to add ... Ascetic something .. not torn - to the Leaders. And Esaul, too.
            1. Cavas
              Cavas 11 December 2012 22: 03
              +5
              Quote: Igarr
              No..
              we will invite him to us .. for the first time or what?

              Forest felling? laughing
              Then I'm for it! laughing
        2. Ribwort
          Ribwort 11 December 2012 21: 59
          0
          Quote: Igarr
          It’s time to create a party. Take power into your own hands.

          Eki seditious thoughts creep into your head, my friend! You don't have a neighbor! (He now seems to have a different nickname, but for some reason I remember it under this one) In general, as I understand it, you are next in line to receive the "Swamp" and "Orange State Department" marks ... Join me, buddy lol
          drinks
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 11 December 2012 22: 12
            +1
            In...
            Anatoly, how do I get along with the "Bolotnies"? ... only if in power - hochitsa ...
            ...
            power ... chimera ...
            there is nothing in it for which it would be worth raping itself ..
            ...
            From childhood I remember the film "Kamo" ... how our Georgian hero (no, well, there were people !!!! ...) got to the anarchists ... they started shooting from LIVORVER ...
            well, there the bandyugan ... offers the leader - get yourself under the trunk ...
            and he says to him - I AM THOUGHT! .... And the Thought to kill is IMPOSSIBLE!
            ...
            so here ..
            Much nicer ... pounding ... on the clave.
            How to dig the earth, Eh ???
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 11 December 2012 22: 19
              0
              Quote: Igarr
              Anatoly, how do I get along with the Bolotnies?

              Probably like me. I’m trying to think with pro-Kremlin stereotypes: Whoever is not for Putin is the one ... However, I am already repeating myself.
              Quote: Igarr
              And the thought to kill - it is IMPOSSIBLE!

              I have a thought and I think it ...
              Quote: Igarr
              Much nicer ... pounding ... on the clave.
              How to dig the earth, Eh ???

              No comparison. Especially when you consider that you just opened your shift for 12 hours. Compared to this, clave is pure pleasure. wink
              1. Igarr
                Igarr 11 December 2012 22: 27
                +1
                That's right...
                We are waiting .... tomorrow.
                Tomorrow, Vladimir Vladimirovich will tell us ...
                you are mired in sin and vice ... repent ... and take your last to Torgsin ..
                we are these denyushki .. let’s go to the Stabilization Fund.
                ...
                And then we will definitely become ...- a swamp ...
                ..
                ..
                But what if......
                .I am...
                ..wrong?
            2. YARY
              YARY 11 December 2012 23: 13
              +3
              Igor light Batkovich
              Power is endowed with no one else hunting for it!
              And the one who avoids it and understands its depth and severity of "Monomakh's cap"!
              The one who does not want to load the CROSS on himself for this is the "crucifixion of all life" and sees its painful severity.
              And the ovary that breaks to power as a rapist for a girl is a temporary worker and a traitor, and as a girl he is with the people and will be controlled and not ruled!
    2. bubla5
      bubla5 11 December 2012 18: 48
      +2
      Yes, they wrote already, an answer from the secretary comes, which is taken into account
    3. postman
      postman 11 December 2012 23: 49
      +1
      Quote: Igarr
      Well, is there an impeachment procedure? Distrust of the president. There is? There is.


      HARDLY EVER!
      Article 93. The President of the Russian Federation may be excluded from .. (Impeachment)
      The President of the Russian Federation may be removed from office by a qualified majority of the Federation Council (2/3 or 119 votes) only on the basis of a charge of treason or another serious crime brought forward by a qualified majority of the State Duma (2/3 or 300 votes). The accusation must be confirmed by the conclusion of the Supreme Court on the presence of signs of crime in the president’s actions and the conclusion of the Constitutional Court on compliance with the established procedure for the prosecution. The initiator of the prosecution should be a group of deputies of the Duma of at least 1/3 of its composition (150 votes). For the prosecution to be formulated, it is necessary to create, by decision of the majority of the Duma (more than 1/2 or 226 votes), a special commission (Article 93 of the Constitution, State Duma regulations).
      ==================================
      Neither avito nor slando will help in this .... and even a letter to the guarantor.
      1. not good
        not good 12 December 2012 11: 43
        0
        I remember one president who was once removed from office, so he shot a little in parliament, rode tanks on the constitution, and removed this parliament in fig. And among those who aimed guns, nobody seemed to read this constitution. And the constitutional court instead of giving explanations to the citizens of Russia, he was silent in a rag, it seems he didn’t read the constitution either. What do you think will be better this time? In today's conditions, it seems like the paddies will die earlier.
        1. postman
          postman 12 December 2012 13: 44
          0
          Quote: Negoro
          I remember one president who was once removed from his post, so he slightly shot in the parliament, rode tanks on the constitution,

          It is true, only after "shooting" the current Constitution of the Russian Federation was adopted
          Adopted by popular vote December 12, 1993 [/ Color]
          Acted before
          CONSTITUTION (MAIN LAW) of the RSFSR
          Adopted at the extraordinary 7th session of the Air Force of the RSFSR of the ninth convocation on April 12, 1978 with amendments and additions,
          introduced by the laws of the RSFSR of October 27, 1989, May 31, June 16 and December 15, 1990, of May 24 and November 1, 1991 and the laws of the Russian Federation of April 21, December 9 and 10 декабря 1992 года


          Article 121.6. The powers of the President of the Russian Federation cannot be used to change the national-state structure of the Russian Federation, to dissolve or suspend the activities of any legally elected bodies of state power, otherwise they cease immediately

          Article 121.10. President of the Russian Federation may be removed from office in case of violation of the Constitution of the Russian Federation, laws of the Russian Federation, as well as his oath.
          Such a decision is made by the Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation based on the conclusion of the Constitutional Court of the Russian Federation by a two-thirds majority of the total number of people's deputies of the Russian Federation on the initiative of the Congress of People's Deputies of the Russian Federation, the Supreme Council of the Russian Federation or one of its chambers.


          FEEL THE DIFFERENCE....
  7. Byordovvv1
    Byordovvv1 11 December 2012 16: 10
    +3
    What does Vladimir expect? Why not dissolve the government and pick up a new one?
    1. vladsolo56
      vladsolo56 11 December 2012 16: 19
      +9
      You might think that Vladimir is not in the lot, You have to be naive to believe that everything is done without his knowledge.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 25
        +1
        Quote: vladsolo56
        One must be naive to believe that everything is done without his knowledge.

        Nevertheless, this is exactly what some people think. Type Medvedev himself decided so what
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2012 16: 20
      +12
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      What does Vladimir expect?


      Where did you get what awaits? He is conducting
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2012 16: 48
      +4
      Quote: Byordovvv1
      What does Vladimir expect? Why not dissolve the government and pick up a new one?

      So he himself recently appointed him. It is somehow not logical.
      1. bask
        bask 11 December 2012 16: 55
        +5
        baltika What is the logic? GDP is the real government in Russia. And without his command, not one bear in the forest doesn’t blow, Maybe it’s rude but to the point. Only the president rules everything in Russia. The rest of the asses and pawns can be changeable like a heart ,,,,
        1. isp96
          isp96 11 December 2012 18: 19
          +1
          Is it possible to put an equal sign between Serdyukov and Rogozin?
          1. Igarr
            Igarr 11 December 2012 19: 14
            +5
            Of course not.
            Who is Serdyukov married to?
            And who is Rogozin on?
            ..
            For Jews, it is not without reason that nationality by mother is considered. Very good way. There can’t be any mistake.
            ..
            I mean, don't count ... that only "boys rule".
            Usually they rule - night cuckoos.
  8. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 11 December 2012 16: 11
    +4
    Yes, how much can you! The previous "rulers" provided themselves with a personal safety cushion, it seems that Medvedov did not have time, so he is actively catching up.
    Regarding the stabilization fund, since I’ve also talked about it - I wonder if there is anything left of it at the moment?
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 15
      +5
      Quote: Middle Brother
      is there anything left of him at the moment?

      Yes, it’s us what’s wrong with him, one hell in case of a shecher, everything will be paid to the bankers. It was already hi
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 11 December 2012 17: 00
        0
        Quote: Middle Brother
        Regarding the stabilization fund, since I’ve also talked about it - I wonder if there is anything left of it at the moment?

        It’s not good to look into someone else’s pocket





        1. Middle-brother
          Middle-brother 11 December 2012 17: 40
          +4
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          It’s not good to look into someone else’s pocket

          This is my pocket, and yours too. This is me about the stabilization fund
          1. Thunderbolt
            Thunderbolt 11 December 2012 18: 02
            +2
            I agree. But as if everything had not flowed across the ocean without our knowledge.
          2. Ymidge
            Ymidge 11 December 2012 18: 50
            +5
            Quote: Middle Brother
            This is my pocket, and yours too. This is me about the stabilization fund

            And you are a romantic! .. Do not see us this money, as your ears! Remember the gold party? They don’t count on us there. Their bulk. request
            1. Middle-brother
              Middle-brother 11 December 2012 23: 23
              +2
              Quote: Ymyj
              .Do not see us this money, as their ears!

              Most likely it will be so ... It’s just interesting what sauce it will be served under - the hellish world crisis, the collapse of the exchange rate ... It’s clear that everything is exaggerated, but it seems that everyone remembers that a lot of dough was transferred somewhere in what kind of stabilization fund is there, it will be necessary to skillfully explain to the electorate where everything went ...
              1. Misantrop
                Misantrop 11 December 2012 23: 27
                +1
                But the point is that everyone remembers ... All Ukraine remembered that the wife of the past president raised funds for a children's hospital. And the money was sent. So what? Money ... dissolved with Mrs. Yushchenko ...
  9. Sorry
    Sorry 11 December 2012 16: 12
    +4
    The nomenclature-criminal revolution continues. The people are silent. But everyone knows the results of the first privatization, and each of us has felt for ourselves. Where is my barrel of oil and a cube of gas? Where is my loaf of bread and a kilo of sugar? And the rest privatized by a bunch of dealers in fraudulent schemes and open banditry. The authorities are anti-people and anti-state, with their obedient thought. This government does not want to clean up even in the housing and communal services, left people face to face with scammers, bankers and other bloodsuckers. And what can I do about it? Who will help?
  10. zemlyak
    zemlyak 11 December 2012 16: 12
    +3
    Again the robbery of Russia for the eleventh time. Gentlemen dvorkovich medvedev shuvalovs want to seize the last thing that still remains in Russia, its state property. And dictate their will to Putin, and at the same time replenish their wallets. That is all privatization, everything is simple and cynical. And scary. Here they are the real '' fifth column "and not those clowns sitting in the fountain on Bolotnaya
  11. akiberg
    akiberg 11 December 2012 16: 13
    -5
    The meaning of privatization is to increase the number of players and, accordingly, increase competition. The state is an ineffective owner. The state does not know how to feed people deliciously (if at all), and even in such an industry as the defense industry, our state has shown itself in all its glory. At first, a lot of money was thrown into him, but so effectively that the scoop fell apart, and then the state. leaders plundered the remnants, turning serial enterprises into piece production. Article "leftist" - populist aftar
    1. Botanologist
      Botanologist 11 December 2012 18: 00
      +2
      State inefficient owner

      Berezovsky, of course, was the owner of a very effective. The main shareholder of AvtoVAZ. Do not tell us about effective AvtoVAZ?
      Well, Gusinsky is just a model of efficiency. Or maybe Vavilov made the workers happy with Severnaya Neft? Tell us where the Northern Oil workers are working today!
      Or are you talking about the effective owner Boris Nemtsov? Then, pliz, a sensation in the studio!

      I will show you where your mistake - an effective owner - is someone who takes ten profits per ruble of investments. And in the context of neoliberal laws, the simplest thing is to turn a plant into an office or warehouse. That's all the efficiency.
      But what does it have to do with industrial policy? That's right, no! So do not repeat the stupid cliches of the liberals, try to think when you write something.
  12. DEfindER
    DEfindER 11 December 2012 16: 14
    +2
    Medved lost legitimacy even during the presidency, if he had swamped for the presidency instead of Putin, he would have won 5 percent or less .. he became prime minister only because Putin was still in EdR, and the people did not vote for him but for EdRo. Oh sorry that now is not the 37th year .. very sorry !!!!
  13. patriot2
    patriot2 11 December 2012 16: 16
    +5
    I agree with the article, but Putin appointed Medvedev and approved the Duma. Therefore, a vote of no confidence in the Government should come either from the Duma or from the President. Here are two legal ways, and the rest is a bloody revolution and chaos in the country. Choose: or a mess like in Egypt, Libya, etc. or legal way. Blood has been shed in Russia over the past 100 years. The people already suffered huge quantitative and qualitative losses. And after all, everyone understands this - why call for it. It is necessary to think and make sure that it finally comes to those on whom the fate of the country depends - SO IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO HOST IN RUSSIA. FORBIDDEN TO SELL THE GENERAL PROPERTY. Strictly ask from negligent managers who allow squandering and bankruptcy of state enterprises. In general, there is something to think about.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 21
      +4
      Quote: patriot2
      Choose: or a mess like in Egypt, Libya, etc. or legal way.

      We want a legitimate one, but we are not deputies and members of the government, and YARY is not a president, so what and how to do it?
    2. Ymidge
      Ymidge 11 December 2012 19: 00
      +4
      Quote: patriot2
      Strictly ask from negligent managers who allow squandering and bankruptcy of state enterprises

      At least one peep at this STRICT QUESTION!
      Probably not in this life! .. crying
  14. Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2012 16: 20
    +7
    The Government of the Russian Federation is entrusted with the management of state property, entrusted with interim management. They dispose of what does not belong to them. Any actions should be explained to the people. Otherwise, the people rises to rallies. I assure you - the government is afraid of rallies, THERE IS THAT TO LOSE.
    But we must be brought to such a state that we would not have anything to lose until we are ready.

    To shoot is emotions. The question is how we can form a political force that will be PEOPLE.
    That is the question.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 16: 28
      +9
      Quote: Sergg
      The question is how we can form a political force that will be PEOPLE.
      That is the question.

      The people are corrupted, if millions had read this on the streets, then the Kremlin would have changed their style of government right away. And that's all at the level of words. As it turned out with the WTO, most are against it, they entered for the minority hi
  15. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 11 December 2012 16: 21
    +4
    The tadpole did not ripen to the previous distribution, has a desire to compensate for the loss. Vladimir in share course.
  16. Nechai
    Nechai 11 December 2012 16: 23
    +12
    "Why should development automatically equal the transfer of state property to private hands?"
    And in whose else ?! Whose power is the beneficiary. And the handles WILL BE AMERICAN (for the most part), Well this is what reason is formed TO PROTECT THE PROPERTY OF US CITIZENS !!!
    Quote: aksakal
    - I would hope that this is only Medvedev's Wishlist. Then a conflict in power structures is inevitable.

    Oh, come on! Was VVP Prime Minister, Amers and Britons needed the Samara Matallurgical Plant. And he was not only foreign, he, according to the law, and into Russian PRIVATE HANDS could NOT be transferred! And what did it stop the "process" ?! Yes, not how much! The then prime minister expressed confidence. that the new foreign owners WILL NOT learn the state secrets in this production. They are good and decent. And again, everyone is good - who needs a special rental made of super-light and super-strong alloys, right ?! But packaging and canned foil is our everything! Great!
    And the guys look like they started to rush in a hurry with the fulfillment of the assigned tasks. And the time with the temporary workers is running out, and the wobbling of chairs is evidently felt. Yes, and the customer clicks. He needs to provide his wrappers with something. In the early 90s, Russia was already saving the United States, why wouldn’t we do the same thing again ?!
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2012 16: 35
      +8
      Quote: Nechai
      And the guys look like they started to rush in a hurry with the fulfillment of the assigned tasks.

      But how, people get smarter, back and forth you need to pack your bags
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 11 December 2012 16: 55
        +11
        Quote: Vadivak
        But how, people get smarter, back and forth you need to pack your bags

        Holiday is coming.
        1. bask
          bask 11 December 2012 17: 06
          +3
          Nicholas, Vadik. I GIVE me, reminds of a SCARPING -POPKU ((((painted cock ((((Who sits on the eyelid and yells ::::: ,,, pop, fool, - the ass knows everything ,, ...
  17. vladsolo56
    vladsolo56 11 December 2012 16: 23
    +14
    How much you need to be a fool or a hypocritical liar to claim that foreign investment will boost our economy and develop industry, There are few examples when enterprises were bought up by investors, after which they were bankrupt and sold for scrap. All large Western companies have long moved production to China, they do not need competition in the form of Russian enterprises. The West needs Russia only as a supplier of raw materials and nothing more.
  18. Alekseir162
    Alekseir162 11 December 2012 16: 32
    +4
    Dmitry Medvedev and his government somehow believe that Russia will be better off.

    He thinks so because he needs to feed the "fat cats", which have multiplied (according to some reports, the number of officials since 1991 has increased more than 3 times). The officials will understand well, but not Russia, because, officials have an unlimited appetite.
  19. Misantrop
    Misantrop 11 December 2012 16: 36
    +5
    If the state is by definition a "bad owner", then what prevents the state from hiring a good manager? Hire, not give him everything in the world. And ask him for the effectiveness of management. Seriously ASK, not sadly inquire. And it turns out, as in the recent Ukrainian elections. The Ukrainian Choice Party came up with the slogan: "You rule the country, not those you choose." And then immediately the question: "Why the hell then to choose them for bad money, and then keep them?"
    1. sssrsssr
      sssrsssr 11 December 2012 16: 52
      +2
      And why do we need, then, such a state? request
      If, theoretically, the best of the best should be there, the ones chosen by us ... and they can’t even manage the property?
      I think not such fools there. And they understand well what everything can lead to. And we will only find out later whether they were mistakes or were all according to the "state" plan.
      Here is just one thing that worries, but do these plans coincide with ours?
    2. Vadivak
      Vadivak 11 December 2012 16: 55
      +5
      Quote: Misantrop
      what prevents the state from hiring a good manager?



      How are football coaches? Or Rurik?


      Our earth is great and plentiful, but there is no order in it; and go reign and be pleased with us.
    3. baltika-18
      baltika-18 11 December 2012 17: 03
      +3
      Quote: Misantrop
      If the state is by definition a "bad owner"

      The state that they created is a bad owner, because they are bad leaders. In normal leaders, the state can become a very effective owner.
      1. bask
        bask 11 December 2012 17: 18
        +2
        These liberalists and bullshit haven’t created anything over the past 25 years. And they won’t be able to, because their system has been built. To enrich this official. And this does not depend on the form of ownership. A SYSTEM BUILT ON AN APPROPRIATE TARGET-OLIGARCHIC KITALISM :::: NOT VIABLE .. It already stinks and stinks-complete decomposition across all knowledge-intensive industries .....
    4. Garrin
      Garrin 11 December 2012 17: 46
      +2
      Quote: Misantrop
      what prevents the state from hiring a good manager? HIRING, not GIFT him everything in the world. And ask him for management effectiveness. REQUEST seriously, and not bitterly inquire.

      Here only a couple of small questions arise.
      -Who is at the helm of this state?
      - For what purpose did he approach this steering wheel?
  20. Nechai
    Nechai 11 December 2012 16: 47
    +5
    Quote: Alekseir162
    (according to some reports, the number of officials has increased more than 1991 times since 3).

    In 1987, Gorby was voiced by a digital figure - for the entire Soviet Union the state apparatus + creative intelligentsia = 12 million souls ...
    Quote: Misantrop
    : "Why the hell, then for bad money to choose them, and then keep them?"

    Do you really think that WE choose them ?!
    1. Misantrop
      Misantrop 11 December 2012 18: 07
      +1
      Well, I'm not so naive wink We choose THEM if ... we don’t go to the polls. Still cast for another vote is a little more difficult
  21. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 16: 53
    +1
    So far, there is no need to privatize anything, but some people are clearly burning pipes to convert their position into something more tangible ...
  22. 8 company
    8 company 11 December 2012 17: 00
    +3
    "Why can't an economic model develop effectively, where state property also effectively develops?"

    Duc hto prevents the author from heading the state-owned enterprise and wiping their noses for all "private traders"? winked
    It is clear that tryndet about efficiency is easier than achieving it in real life. tongue
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 11 December 2012 17: 08
      +5
      Quote: Company 8
      Duc hto prevents the author from heading the state-owned enterprise and wiping their noses for all "private traders"?

      And who will let him do this, in order to head, you need to have good relatives or sleep with whom you need.
      1. Ymidge
        Ymidge 11 December 2012 19: 03
        +4
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And who will let him do it

        He will not even be allowed to the fence !!! wassat
  23. Roomata
    Roomata 11 December 2012 17: 09
    +3
    A little correction is not a bear but a put and his team)
  24. Rezun
    Rezun 11 December 2012 17: 11
    +8
    Special for DAM and Shuvalov ...
  25. DERWISH
    DERWISH 11 December 2012 17: 28
    +2
    A LOT OF PROS FOR THE AUTHOR !!!!! +++++++++ Well, really Medvedev, not only did he crawl Libya during the reign, he did not behave like a strong-willed president, he also wants to go to the last list of the richest people in RUSSIA since it’s clear to the horse that he personally will have a heap of unmeasured, really a kid preparing a badminton horseradish pension! at the expense of the state! Now it’s clear why he has Serdyukov in friends walking one field of berries apparently !!
    1. donchepano
      donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 01
      0
      Quote: DERWISH
      cherished libya



      Now Syria is being bribed ... more Iran and Russia
  26. tank64rus
    tank64rus 11 December 2012 17: 38
    +1
    Yes, of course, everything needs to be privatized, otherwise the loot over the years has ended. Yes, and Tolyan and Edik also need to fix things.
  27. andrei332809
    andrei332809 11 December 2012 17: 39
    +2
    no, still we live in a rich country. they steal, they steal, but they cannot steal to the end. but to dispossess state bureaucrats, this would be a loot
  28. Nechai
    Nechai 11 December 2012 17: 41
    +1
    Quote: DERWISH
    one field of berries apparently !!!!

    SK or as later this office will be called, it’s necessary for a loved one to begin to investigate the lady’s overwork work, even with his activity as a legal consultant in a forestry company, that he worked without stopping saws and unstopping skidders in Karelia to provide finns with wood ....
    1. Garrin
      Garrin 11 December 2012 18: 04
      +2
      Quote: Nechai

      SK or as later this office will be called

      For starters, SK will need to transplant themselves. Then organize SMERSH, under the leadership of Colonel Kvachkov (he will recruit personnel). And then move on.
  29. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 11 December 2012 17: 54
    +3
    I’ve read all the comments. There’s nothing to argue with. All wealth is drained from the country. With sips. Slowly but surely. The king has power, but the people have power. Every day they have us in hospitals, where everything is for money; on broken roads we are guarded by policemen, and in the evening on TV there’s an endless kaleidoscope of porn, murders and again porn. We are rich because we have a homeland and weak because we don’t have a single will. Here Yary spoke about veche .. The idea is clear, but somehow I can’t imagine what you can agree on. Look at the photo. That's what WE became after the collapse of the USSR. And I also have a daughter. She is one year old and I want her to live happily for a long time. I don’t want revolutionary sailors on the streets, and everything becomes more and more disturbing. on the soul .. What do we all do then? !!!
  30. korvin1976
    korvin1976 11 December 2012 18: 12
    +1
    Article minus and HUGE. If the author does not understand the CURRENT privatization, these are his difficulties and his problems, and to impose his ideas by manipulating the facts is first of all low.
    The current privatization is not the privatization of the 90s.
    In the 90s, privatization was complete.
    Now privatization is partial. Let me explain what this means:
    In the 90s, privatized enterprises passed FULLY into private hands (100% of the shares), at the moment the privatization is partial, that is, a certain asset of the enterprise is given into private hands, but the state retains a controlling stake in the enterprise.
    The money received from the sale of part of the shares does not go to the funds, but to the development of this enterprise.
    Take for example: Russian Railways, they sold 30% of the shares of this enterprise, Vasya Pupkin, received 70 million rubles for this (the amount was taken from the head). The result is: the state has 70% of the shares + 70 million rubles, Vasya has a 30% share. The next move, the state, as the holder of a controlling stake, makes a decision to increase the authorized capital by 100 million rubles. The state invests 70 million rubles in the authorized capital, which Vasya received, Vasya invests 30 million rubles. As a result, Russian Railways receives 100 million rubles practically from the air for the development of railway in Russia. There is only one minus of such a scheme, while making a profit Vasya will take part of this profit himself. But taking into account the fact that Russian Railways, at the expense of this money, will modernize and increase turnover, it is possible that everyone will remain with their own.
    The whole scheme may be used, only part of the scheme may be used, but the meaning remains the same.
    So the author is completely absurd.
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 11 December 2012 18: 15
      +4
      Along the way, are you raving here actually ...
    2. Misantrop
      Misantrop 11 December 2012 18: 34
      +4
      And if you remember that this "Vasya" lives in Oklahoma or Philadelphia, this "Vasya" turns out everything in chocolate. Especially, considering that Vasya himself prints the papers for the purchase of shares
      1. Egen
        Egen 12 December 2012 07: 22
        0
        Quote: Misantrop
        pieces of paper for the purchase of shares Vasya himself and prints


        +!
        And yet no prudent businessman will buy 30% of the shares. Well, maybe only Russian Railways or anyone like that - a blocking package gives some opportunities, and 10% - to the board of directors. But any student abroad knows that you won’t play business with Russian laws :), so to acquire is only a controlling stake in order to be able to produce what you want and sell to anyone you want. Otherwise, just stupid!
        And if what Vasya buys 30%, then this Vasya is purely laying from the same managers who manage this enterprise. And he buys for the same money stolen from the enterprise, without investing anything. Those. there is a cycle of money in the enterprise :)
        If anyone does not know or does not remember how our same coal industry was privatized: they detained the miners s / pl, it was in the bank, the bank gave loans to other people under them, those miners bought the shares of the mine from the same miners (and where to go without / pl), then s / pl gradually extinguished. That's why the miners were sitting on the rails, if someone did not know the ins and outs, and everything is legal :(
    3. 8 company
      8 company 11 December 2012 18: 35
      -5
      Quote: korvin1976
      So the author is completely absurd.


      Starikov should be sent to China, maybe his brain will be cleansed of Marxist husks there when he sees how Chinese private corporations are doing business.
    4. Garrin
      Garrin 11 December 2012 18: 37
      +1
      Quote: korvin1976
      There is only one minus of such a scheme, while making a profit Vasya will take part of this profit himself. But taking into account the fact that Russian Railways, at the expense of this money, will modernize and increase turnover, it is possible that everyone will remain with their own.

      Very greedy your Vasya. They will ruin the Russian Railways, and almost they have already ruined it.
      1. Misantrop
        Misantrop 11 December 2012 18: 41
        +1
        Igor, you have not seen Ukrainian trains ... wassat
        1. Garrin
          Garrin 11 December 2012 18: 57
          +1
          Quote: Misantrop
          Igor, you have not seen Ukrainian trains yet ... wassat

          Oh, Valera, and not see. I mean, in Soviet times, I could get my bearings twice a week from Donetsk to Moscow, plus my current wife, who was then a bride, once a week to pay the way back and forth. Now, it’s expensive for my mother to go.
        2. sanyabasik
          sanyabasik 11 December 2012 20: 28
          -1
          Quote: Misantrop
          new


          I saw, I drive sometimes ... laughing
          Well, the country is also smaller and there is no gas .. laughing
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 11 December 2012 21: 24
            0
            Quote: sanyabasik
            I saw, I ride sometimes ... laughing
            Well, the country is also smaller and there is no gas .. laughing

            So they take less and serve better. wink
            1. sanyabasik
              sanyabasik 12 December 2012 14: 42
              0
              Quote: Garrin
              So they take less and serve better.


              I allow myself to disagree with you. In branded trains, but in NE, maybe yes, but in ordinary trains it is horrible - the cars are very old, but the prices are the same. I travel several times a year. Train number 61 Moscow - Nikolaev. And I always take a ticket to the 8th carriage (the so-called staff car), although at least the air conditioner works in the summer (there are no air conditioners in the rest of the carriages smile )
        3. Nagaibak
          Nagaibak 12 December 2012 06: 50
          0
          Misantrop "Igor, you haven't seen any Ukrainian trains yet .." Hmm ... that is, we have not the limit yet !!! There is something to strive for !!!
    5. bubla5
      bubla5 11 December 2012 19: 01
      0
      In 90, the state fictitiously had 50% + 1% of the so-called gold, but until the year 99 all of this for free or deceit from ordinary citizens such as co-owners was bought by future oligarchs, remember vouchers and their expiration dates, if it were all honestly would give vouchers a life sentence, and our people, and he would have kept them thrifty and now, well, etc., etc., the authorities had and still have a crook
      1. Sergg
        Sergg 12 December 2012 11: 02
        0
        Strange, actually my question was not for you.
        Why moved here ...

        I completely agree with you.
    6. Sergg
      Sergg 11 December 2012 20: 14
      -1
      Prove your words.
    7. bart74
      bart74 12 December 2012 00: 32
      +1
      Dear, we have already done this once with vouchers. This does not work for us. It is not necessary that any John Smith or even Vasya Pupkin owns STRATEGIC ENTERPRISES and still receive loot for this.
      What country do you live in?
      IS THIS ABOUT YOU WHAT DO GAZPROM SAY A NATIONAL DOG? Are you a shareholder? Where does Zin come from?
      1. korvin1976
        korvin1976 12 December 2012 08: 18
        +1
        Hmm, nothing special to say.
        All from the category: the plane can not fly because it is iron, and if it can fly it should flap its wings.
        As they say, wait and see, though ......
        Someone may not see, because even now it’s especially not to see.
  31. Kochetkov.serzh
    Kochetkov.serzh 11 December 2012 18: 12
    +1
    Medvedev as a prostitute as a pawn in the wrong hands
  32. isp96
    isp96 11 December 2012 18: 14
    0
    only his words about the beginning of the war in South Ossetia tell me that Georgia started the war, I’m waiting. Civilians are dying, peacekeepers are waiting. What is Serdyukov No. 1, and Serdyukov No. 2.
  33. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 11 December 2012 18: 14
    +2
    Odd. Bear begins to strain me.
  34. Celmz
    Celmz 11 December 2012 19: 20
    0
    Quote: Kolyan 2
    Odd. Bear begins to strain me.

    Plus, and the author too.
  35. Alpha-omega
    Alpha-omega 11 December 2012 19: 24
    +3
    Comrades, giving education and health care to private hands (also Western) is tantamount to suicide, these industries are already degrading, and if they are also privatized, this is a cross on us.
  36. 120352
    120352 11 December 2012 19: 31
    +3
    The fact that the puppeteers of the first two persons are far from Russian people is obvious for a long time. In the interests of the state, since these persons "work", they do not enter. Most of the assets have already been transferred abroad to the accounts of these and those close to them. The main one, I think, is Zubkov, the godfather of the domestic mafia, who gave them "power". Serdyukov is among the same. Although he is in a quarrel with his family, his father-in-law seems to have forgiven him. If Serdyukkov was not a member of this team, he would have been in prison for a long time, after all, 6 billion rubles. It’s not money for these guys, though. Immeasurably more stolen. And the upcoming privatization will lead to the fact that the state will generally remain poor and have nothing. After that, the mission of the entire crowd of top officials will be completed and they will calmly leave for their places of permanent residence for their thirty pieces of silver for our Motherland.
  37. Strashila
    Strashila 11 December 2012 19: 36
    +2
    let at the beginning call at least one industry that has become effective in private hands ... no such industry... they finish off the remnants of the Soviet era. For the last two decades, nothing has been created ... it just collapses ... where is the effectiveness ... Chubais correctly voiced ... privatization in our country is the destruction of the country.
    1. Marine One
      Marine One 11 December 2012 21: 47
      -4
      Quote: Strashila
      let at the beginning call at least one industry that has become effective in private hands ... there is no such industry


      Do not go to extremes and do not distort as an experienced masturbator. With private hands in Russia, the mobile communications industry has been created and developed - one of the most efficient in the world, no less efficient industry of IT and Internet technologies (let’s recall Yandex). I can also talk about domestic private developments in the field of biological products, vaccines, genetic analysis, Raman sensors, holography, prosthetics in cardiology, neurointerfaces, X-ray optics ... I can also talk about a friend selling protected absorbent mixtures developed by him and a bunch of international patents to the basis of diatomite in Western Europe, because monopolists controlled by government officials do not allow it to enter the domestic market. However, why do you need knowledge? ..
      1. Garrin
        Garrin 11 December 2012 22: 00
        +3
        Quote: Marine One
        prosthetics in cardiology

        How much does the operation cost? How accessible?
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 11 December 2012 22: 09
          -2
          Quote: Garrin
          How much does the operation cost?

          Artificial heart valves, which were specifically discussed, cost from 18 to 30 thousand rubles. This is the price of 15-20, at least, years of the patient’s life. American counterpart - from 100 thousand. The cost of the operation is unknown to me. Let me clarify, is a private valve manufacturer required to determine the cost of the entire operation?
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 11 December 2012 22: 30
            +2
            Quote: Marine One
            Let me clarify, is a private valve manufacturer required to determine the cost of the entire operation?

            I clarify. Not required, but has a way to influence.
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 11 December 2012 22: 41
              -2
              Quote: Garrin

              I clarify. Not required, but has a way to influence.


              Well, dear, how? Sell ​​less than the cost of production? And then what is the pay to developers? Transfer business to the state? So nothing will change in the end. Valves will cost 5 thousand rubles (and that is unlikely), and the remaining 13 thousand will be removed from another place, from another industry, from another production. We have all gone through this.
              1. YARY
                YARY 11 December 2012 23: 36
                +1
                For information.
                I underwent a wound operation when I was already in "civilian life" - free of charge!
                Now such an operation costs 150000 dolarians!
                Everything seems to be?
                1. Marine One
                  Marine One 11 December 2012 23: 46
                  -2
                  Quote: Ardent
                  Now such an operation costs 150000 dolarians!
                  Everything seems to be?

                  Andrey, a similar operation in the USA costs 2 times less. My father (not a military man, but a scientist working in the military-industrial complex) had coronary artery bypass grafting in Moscow Pirogovka on Pervomaiskaya cost 0 rubles 0 kopecks, two years ago. Doesn't it seem to you, Andrey, that we have a place to have some kind of weird healthcare system? One randomly free, the other 150 000 USD ...
                  1. Garrin
                    Garrin 12 December 2012 00: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Marine One
                    My father (not a military man, but a scientist who worked in the military-industrial complex) had coronary artery bypass grafting in Moscow Pirogovka on Pervomaiskaya cost 0 rubles 0 kopecks. 2 years ago.

                    Glad for your father (this is not ironic).
                    And 12 years ago I had hip joint endoprostheses, they cost a "Zhiguli" in each leg, this is only the cost of domestic prostheses (excluding the cost of the operation), you see the production of prostheses was already in private hands.
                    1. Marine One
                      Marine One 12 December 2012 00: 25
                      -1
                      Well, see colleagues, Garrin и Ardent that system abnormal. At the very least, damn him, at least for the so-called state insurance medicine exactly determine when and for what we pay and how exactly in which case they will help.
                    2. donchepano
                      donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Garrin
                      see the production of prostheses was already in private hands.


                      YES FOR A LONG TIME THE 1ST Sailor PRIVATIZED MEDICINE ..
                      DO NOT TAKE THE FEEDER FROM HIM
                  2. YARY
                    YARY 12 December 2012 00: 01
                    +1
                    Lucky how unbeknownst to anyone!
                    And I can’t get a piece of iron out of the tower.
              2. donchepano
                donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 15
                0
                Quote: Marine One
                u well, dear, but how? Sell ​​less than the cost of production? And then what is the pay to developers? Transfer business to the state? So nothing will change in the end. Valves will cost 5 thousand rubles (and that is unlikely), and the remaining 13 thousand will be removed from another place, from another industry, from another production. We have all gone through this.


                RECEIPT OF GOVERNMENT FROM THE STATE ON THE LINE OF THE HOSPITAL OR CARDIAC
      2. Misantrop
        Misantrop 11 December 2012 22: 01
        +1
        It remains only to mention Gazprom and the Deripaska plants laughing You can also remember the car factory screwdriver assembly. And cellular communication would be worth looking at least at one Russian mobile phone
        1. Marine One
          Marine One 11 December 2012 22: 34
          -2
          Quote: Misantrop
          All that remains is for Gazprom to mention

          Do you understand Russian written language in principle? And what about Gazprom, the Deripaska factories and the screwdriver assembly? No one denies that there are no Russian cell phones. It was about creating a cellular infrastructure.
          1. Garrin
            Garrin 11 December 2012 22: 37
            +3
            Quote: Marine One
            It was about creating a cellular infrastructure.

            Again, due to speculative tariffs and outright “robbery”. Plus the potential of the military (this is theft).
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 11 December 2012 22: 58
              -3
              Quote: Garrin
              Again, due to speculative tariffs and outright "robbery"

              The cost of mobile services in Russia is one of the lowest in the world. The average monthly subscriber's account in Russia is 12 euros, while the average European pays 30 euros per month. For a minute of conversation or SMS, Russian subscribers pay on average from 2 to 5 euro cents. While, for example, French operators usually charge 5-10 times more for the same service.
              1. donchepano
                donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 28
                0
                Quote: Marine One
                The average monthly subscriber's account in Russia is 12 euros, while the average European pays 30 euros per month. For a minute of conversation or SMS, Russian subscribers pay on average from 2 to 5 euro cents. While, for example, French operators usually charge 5-10 times more for the same service.


                And the average wage of a worker in Russia is also like that of a worker in Germany or Norway? how does it fit with prices in Russia economist you are our 1st sailor
          2. Misantrop
            Misantrop 11 December 2012 22: 44
            0
            In other words, about promoting imported products and technologies to the Russian market. And the shuttle trader creates its own "infrastructure" when it starts to wander around for junk to Poland or Turkey. The only thing is that there is a larger scale. Do you need to explain the difference between "create" and "mediate"?
            1. Marine One
              Marine One 11 December 2012 22: 54
              -2
              Gentlemen, non-stop. I understand your pain in a place lower than your back .. I understand that the Russian MTS and Beeline bought up half of the telecommunications market in Ukraine. But you also understand that thanks to them, the cost of a minute of communication is almost the lowest in Europe and the CIS. Be prudent and grateful.
              1. Garrin
                Garrin 11 December 2012 22: 57
                +1
                Quote: Marine One
                Gentlemen, non-stop. I understand your pain in a place lower than your back .. I understand that the Russian MTS and Beeline bought up half of the telecommunications market in Ukraine. But you also understand that thanks to them, the cost of a minute of communication is almost the lowest in Europe and the CIS. Be prudent and grateful.

                Or maybe just restrain your appetites? This, by the way, also concerns valves.
                1. Marine One
                  Marine One 11 December 2012 23: 10
                  -2
                  Quote: Garrin
                  Or maybe just restrain appetites?


                  Igor, dear, the question remains. At whose expense? The market value of those valves = real cost + kickbacks for the possibility of introducing them into medical practice. So whose appetites should be moderated?
                  1. Garrin
                    Garrin 11 December 2012 23: 16
                    0
                    Quote: Marine One
                    + kickbacks for the possibility of introducing them into medical practice.

                    That is exactly what I had in mind. Not all doctors are the final scammers and scum?
                    These amounts can be adjusted.
                    1. Marine One
                      Marine One 11 December 2012 23: 25
                      0
                      Quote: Garrin
                      That is exactly what I had in mind. Not all doctors are the final scammers and scum? These amounts can be adjusted.


                      Who can argue. The problem is not with the doctors, but with the bureaucrats who are around and within healthcare. The same purchases in state clinics often go through not through a specific operating surgeon-cardiologist, but through “high” “curators” and ministerial “controllers”.
                      1. Garrin
                        Garrin 11 December 2012 23: 36
                        +3
                        Quote: Marine One
                        Who can argue. The problem is not with the doctors, but with the bureaucrats who are around and within healthcare. The same purchases in state clinics often go through not through a specific operating surgeon-cardiologist, but through “high” “curators” and ministerial “controllers”.

                        So the whole problem is that it is these bureaucrats who will put all the medicine on their sticky paws. In the upcoming privatization phase.
                      2. Marine One
                        Marine One 12 December 2012 00: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Garrin
                        In the upcoming privatization phase.

                        Heh, they will not clean up, but strengthen themselves. Everything has already been captured. And what is not captured, they want to formalize it officially. In order to further quote "the multinational people of the Russian Federation, united by a common fate on their land, affirming human rights and freedoms, civil peace and harmony, preserving the historically established state unity, proceeding from the generally recognized principles of equality and self-determination of peoples, honoring the memory of ancestors who transmitted love to us and respect for the Fatherland, faith in goodness and justice, reviving the sovereign statehood of Russia and affirming the inviolability of its democratic basis, striving to ensure the well-being and prosperity of Russia, proceeding from responsibility for their Motherland before present and future generations, recognizing that they are part of the world community "did not rock the boat.
                      3. donchepano
                        donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Garrin
                        So the whole problem is that it is these bureaucrats who will put all the medicine on their sticky paws. In the upcoming privatization phase


                        How to drink will be tidied up. Don't go to grandma

                        Quote: Garrin
                        So the whole problem is that it is these bureaucrats who will put all the medicine on their sticky paws. In the upcoming privatization phase


                        How to drink will be tidied up. Don't go to grandma

                        Quote: Garrin
                        So the whole problem is that it is these bureaucrats who will put all the medicine on their sticky paws. In the upcoming privatization phase


                        How to drink will be tidied up. Don't go to grandma
                  2. donchepano
                    donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 41
                    0

                    MARKET VALUE = COST
                    shadow on the fence - fooled like good afternoon
                    large private business is mainly predatory
                    with rare exceptions
                2. donchepano
                  donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 38
                  0
                  Garrin,
                  The appetites of the growers pah I'm sorry for some doctors are not measured and not moderate
              2. Misantrop
                Misantrop 11 December 2012 23: 02
                +1
                And in these networks there is not a single nut, neither Russian nor Ukrainian. Indeed, creators ... laughing But now I finally found out why Ukrainian mobile communication is cheaper than Russian. This is all because the Russians bought it. Offset! laughing
                1. Marine One
                  Marine One 11 December 2012 23: 37
                  -1
                  Quote: Misantrop
                  And in these networks there is not a single nut, neither Russian nor Ukrainian


                  And in fact there will be objections? The nut manufacturer is now of little interest to anyone. It is important who orders these nuts and why. Global economy - global production. Get used to it.
                  1. Misantrop
                    Misantrop 11 December 2012 23: 50
                    +3
                    By this fact, it turns out that now the creator is the one who paid for the purchase? Is this what you suggest getting used to? belay Wow, how far behind life I am ... what

                    "The nut maker is not interesting." Well, yes, exactly as long as it is and works. And when a wave a couple of years ago washed away the factory for the production of hard drives in Malaysia, all the proud creators of computers and laptops ran around as if stung ...
                    1. Marine One
                      Marine One 12 December 2012 01: 29
                      -1
                      Quote: Misantrop
                      Well, yes, exactly as long as he is and works.


                      Malaysia (as a state) has nothing to do with it. Problems in the HDD market were due to flooding at the end of 2011 in Thailand. Thais restored their previous production volumes about a month after a natural disaster, so that the proud creators did not have time to run to any of the SEZs in China. Again, the global economy is global production. Get used to it.
              3. donchepano
                donchepano 12 December 2012 08: 31
                0
                Quote: Marine One
                the cost of a minute of communication is almost the lowest throughout Europe and the CIS. Be prudent and grateful.


                It would be good if the cost of gasoline and gas was the lowest as a producer, for example, in Turkmenistan. do not comment on us the mariner are you our messenger?
                And the salary did not interfere with the European one. Then the guest workers were not needed ...
          3. Egen
            Egen 12 December 2012 07: 37
            0
            And what about Gazprom? - the most successful company in the world :) Giving 50% of the state budget, just something :) Yes, I heard about the opinion that Gazprom should be divided into parts, so it will be more efficient. It's all bullshit, we've seen enough of "Pretty Woman" :) Gazprom is a balanced company with its subsidiary companies, etc. productions. If we separate something, the prices that are now internal and are strictly regulated will creep up and the cost will obviously increase. Read on the Gazprom website about measures to reduce costs. In principle, quite effective. Of course, everyone is far from perfect, but here - at least they ask harshly, not idle chatter. According to ratings, Miller has one of the highest salaries. Therefore, Gazprom has no reason to steal. Although it depends more on the nature of the person than on the place, the girls in MO are not enough :)
            And besides Gazprom, Russian Railways and Rosneft, what else is state-owned, what are the hints in the article about? :(
  38. IlyaKuv
    IlyaKuv 11 December 2012 19: 38
    +3
    What kind of idiots from one country to another they are leaving, no peace for the people, fucking dissidents in power.
  39. sxn278619
    sxn278619 11 December 2012 20: 02
    +1
    In the USSR, state property was worse than private property in the USA.
    In today's China, state ownership is better than private property in the United States.
    Conclusion - the unification of Russia with China.
    And Medvedev is retired.
  40. Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2012 20: 20
    +4
    The government started privatization in secret.
    Announced that it is selling state property,
    and people like cattle should stand in the stall and not moo.

    I say again: the government of the Russian Federation is entrusted with state ownership in management. They are hired, including the president - no more. The property belongs to the people.

    A Russian peasant refills the sled for a long time, but quickly drives.
    If we tolerate, this does not mean that we can be deceived endlessly.
  41. swarog57
    swarog57 11 December 2012 21: 02
    +3
    Something recently all the reforms at the exit have a minus sign. Whether it is the army, the police, the police, education, medicine, agriculture. It's time to replace "effective managers" with specialists, then there won't be any idiotic projects.
  42. patriot2
    patriot2 11 December 2012 21: 08
    +2
    And here is what the "free press" writes:Medvedev's rating reached the worst. In the near future, the same will happen with the popularity of the president.
    Citizens' trust in government is rapidly creeping down. Less than five percent of Russians believe that Medvedev and his team are capable of doing something useful for the country. These are the results of a survey conducted by the Levada Center in late November.
    Half of the respondents described the prime minister’s activity as not very effective, one in seven - as absolutely ineffective. The maximum since 1999 has been reached by the percentage of citizens who are convinced that the government is corrupt, unprofessional and does not have a well-thought-out program of economic development.
    The fact that Dmitry Medvedev "premieres" as much as Vladimir Putin will be president (until 2018), half of the respondents are sure. Only 12% “measured” the premiere for another year or two, 14% gave three or four.
    Political scientist, leading researcher at the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Dmitry Oreshkin, says that historically this fate has been destined for Medvedev: “People would express distrust to any government in such conditions. The economic situation does not improve, the standard of living does not rise. Of course, people do not like what is happening. The government is doomed to lose popularity. However, this does not mean that the prime minister is about to fall. Removing it now makes no sense. He can fall only if the clan wars begin. Or for some reason, Putin will sacrifice him about two years later, choosing some reason for this. ”
    "SP": - But still, what are the main claims to the prime minister?
    - The people do not like his manner of behavior - he is doing well, but in reality he is not independent. It is trying to convince the population that life is improving day by day, and the population sees that medicine is being destroyed, education is becoming paid, factories are closing down, residential buildings are falling apart ... His well-being, well-fed full-time family, irritate most citizens, living from paycheck to paycheck.
    Despite this, Putin remains for many the only hope for improving the situation in the country. There is no one else to hope for. Therefore, Putin is a little good, and Medvedev is bad, people are pouring all the negative on him.
    “SP”: - If the president decides to “abandon” Medvedev, who will become the main contender for the post of head of government?
    - This question has no answer. Who could imagine that in September 2007 Putin would appoint Zubkov as prime minister ?! No one knows what the president will think about in two or three years if he suddenly decides that Medvedev should be removed.
    Putin is a smart person, he understands that to raise the economy you need to add a little freedom. But this contradicts his ideas about the state structure: manual power, obedient bureaucracy. Control in his head is the key word.
  43. Sergg
    Sergg 11 December 2012 21: 09
    +2
    By 2012, it is planned to sell 100% of the United Grain Company (OZK), which is responsible for grain interventions and grain storage in the intervention fund.

    But what about the food security of the country!
    Why sell it ???
  44. patriot2
    patriot2 11 December 2012 21: 12
    +3
    Part 2:
    “SP”: - What will Medvedev do if he is dismissed?
    - About the same thing that the retired mayor of the capital Luzhkov did. He for a salary of one ruble headed the faculty at the International University. He is rich, his old age is provided. Medvedev can be made, for example, the head of the Supreme Court. The position is solid, but without real power.
    "SP": - The scandalous situations in which the prime minister finds himself - accidents or planned provocations?
    - I think there are no specialists in the Kremlin who can create such situations. Rather, they were made publicly available to worsen the prime minister’s image. Perhaps this was to increase the popularity of the president. Perhaps this is a consequence of growing conflicts at the top. There is a clash of forces of influence. There is a serious battle for powerful budget flows.
    “SP”: - How did the representative of the Investigative Committee, Vladimir Markin, dare to criticize the prime minister, who impartially spoke about the police?
    - I decided because he was allowed to do so by the head of the committee, Alexander Bastrykin. He probably feels the president’s strong support. Therefore, I was not afraid of the negative consequences after “reporting” the second person in the country.
    The publicist Egor Kholmogorov agrees with this:
    - We can say that there has been a discord between the president and the prime minister. How serious it is and whether it can end with the resignation of the government, today it is impossible to predict. It is hardly worth focusing on the general atmosphere of expectation. The system of government formation in Russia is opaque; therefore, it is not amenable to political science forecasting. From the very beginning of Medvedev’s public political career, people suspected that practically nothing depended on his words, decisions, actions and plans. Therefore, to date, people have completely lost confidence in him.
    And this, according to the famous politician, the rector of the Russian State Trade and Economic University Sergei Baburin, is fraught with social upheavals. “What trust can cause, for example, the Minister of Education of Livanov, who recognizes universities after each other as ineffective for far-fetched reasons? Is the government with such a minister effective? ”
    So think, dear forum users, what will happen next ...
    I would like peacefully, without blood ...
    smile
  45. Gorchakov
    Gorchakov 11 December 2012 21: 12
    0
    Starikov + .... Medvedev - !!!
  46. patriot2
    patriot2 11 December 2012 21: 13
    0
    Medvedev's rating reached the worst. In the near future, the same will happen with the popularity of the president.
    Citizens' trust in government is rapidly creeping down. Less than five percent of Russians believe that Medvedev and his team are capable of doing something useful for the country. These are the results of a survey conducted by the Levada Center in late November.
    Half of the respondents described the prime minister’s activity as not very effective, one in seven - as absolutely ineffective. The maximum since 1999 has been reached by the percentage of citizens who are convinced that the government is corrupt, unprofessional and does not have a well-thought-out program of economic development.
    The fact that Dmitry Medvedev "premieres" as much as Vladimir Putin will be president (until 2018), half of the respondents are sure. Only 12% “measured” the premiere for another year or two, 14% gave three or four.
    Political scientist, leading researcher at the Institute of Geography of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Dmitry Oreshkin, says that historically this fate has been destined for Medvedev: “People would express distrust to any government in such conditions. The economic situation does not improve, the standard of living does not rise. Of course, people do not like what is happening. The government is doomed to lose popularity. However, this does not mean that the prime minister is about to fall. Removing it now makes no sense. He can fall only if the clan wars begin. Or for some reason, Putin will sacrifice him about two years later, choosing some reason for this. ”
  47. diditch
    diditch 11 December 2012 21: 50
    -4
    It's nice to flip through the pages of the Voennoye Obozreniye site. Discipline, order, a military atmosphere is felt. The topics are great, and the comments .... Horrible!
  48. Bresh
    Bresh 11 December 2012 21: 53
    0
    I voted for Putin in the elections), I am reading now, and I understand that there is no one else ... give the candidature so that I support Russia, children, education, history, ancestors ...
    1. Nagaibak
      Nagaibak 12 December 2012 06: 59
      +2
      Bresh "I voted for Putin in the elections), now I read, and I understand that there is no one else for ... give me a candidacy, so that I support Russia, for children, education, history, ancestors .." - UMNICHKA !!! This is the approach !!! So we are all in chocolate !!! Everything is fine with us !!! Right! And he has nothing to do with it! He is for us like ... a galley slave ... And how he is rooting for the Motherland and for children and for education !!! Congratulations, your children will be perfectly aware of life safety, and you will pay for the rest! Vote further ..
  49. Asketxnumx
    Asketxnumx 11 December 2012 21: 57
    +1
    So is there a need to sell state property today? Is there such an urgent need for privatization?
    This is my question.
  50. wax
    wax 11 December 2012 22: 02
    +1
    Andropov began to look for a change to rejuvenate the country's leadership - he ran into Gorbachev. I quickly realized my mistake, but I didn’t have time to fix it (or didn’t I give it?). The mistake was worth the collapse of the greatest country. Putin decided not to repeat Andropov’s mistake - to take care of the change in advance, but also a puncture. The tandem is no longer a question. The question is, where is the shift? If this is Medvedev, Dvorkovich ..., then the pre-privatization of Russia is inevitable. Old man respect. Putin’s health at least before the deadline.