Germany asks China not to recruit former Luftwaffe pilots to train PLA Air Force pilots

Germany has made an unusual request to China, German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius said in a conversation with his Chinese counterpart Li Shangfu during a meeting at the Shangri-La Dialogue security summit in Singapore. The request concerned former Luftwaffe pilots.

Germany asks China not to recruit retired German Air Force pilots. According to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius, Beijing is actively attracting pilots from Western countries, including Germany, using them as instructors to train PLA Air Force pilots. In Berlin, they fear that the former military might reveal "NATO secrets" to the Chinese.

This was what the German minister was talking about with his Chinese counterpart on Saturday in Singapore. According to the German press, Pistorius expressed concern about China's practice of recruiting German pilots to train the Chinese Air Force.

I raised the issue of German Air Force pilots who were apparently recruited to train (Chinese) pilots (...) I made it clear that I expected this practice to stop immediately and told him that he probably wouldn't be very pleased either if i try to do the same

- said the head of the Ministry of Defense of Germany.

According to German media, in recent years, China has recruited several retired German pilots, and this has greatly worried the German intelligence services, which are also afraid of revealing state secrets. The main headache is that the Chinese can learn some NATO secrets and then use them for military purposes. It is known that in addition to the Germans, the Chinese also recruited American and British pilots.

Comments

[Al manah]

Pistorius was born so stupid, or did the owner order him to voice such nonsense from behind a puddle?

[Shurik70]

Funny.
Such a "request" can be interpreted as a recognition that a NATO-China war is being prepared in the future.
It is clear that the war is actually preparing. As well as against Russia.
But just to admit it...

[Starover_Z]

Germany asks China not to recruit retired German Air Force pilots.
Beijing is actively attracting pilots from Western countries, including Germany,
using them as instructors to train PLA Air Force pilots.
In Berlin, they fear that the former military might reveal "NATO secrets" to the Chinese.

They made me laugh. Do they really think that the Chinese are so naive and gullible that they will refuse such options?!

[Labrador]

I have made it clear that I expect this practice to end immediately.

But the fact that? Offended and will not buy Chinese goods?

[A2AD]

But the fact that? Offended and will not buy Chinese goods? wassat

No, take offense and take all German spies out of China.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

lord, how low the level of politicians has become, well, the Chinese will tell him, of course we won’t and will continue to recruit

[carpenter]

Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir

well, the Chinese will tell him, of course we won’t and will continue to recruit

The Chinese, with their Eastern mentality, will simply remain silent and will continue to recruit German pilots, rocket scientists and engineers. How many "Antonov" pilots from the training center are already working in China, and now the Germans have arrived.

[hohol95]

The RAF will soon have no one to recruit.
"Useless white men" will be screened out for pilot training.
They will accept women and "rainbow-animal and other individuals"!
https://dzen.ru/a/ZHrnZQJAhALCuOFH

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: hohol95

The RAF will soon have no one to recruit.
"Useless white men" will be screened out for pilot training.

[quote female cadets from the Krasnodar Higher Military Aviation School for Pilots named after. A.K. Serov passes tests for access to flights. [/ Quote]

[Aken]

I hope you are not proud of this? ........

[hohol95]

Girls are girls!
And in our Air Force, no one blocks the path to heaven for white men!
And does not crave "gender diversity" in our Air Force!
"Most of all, it was the Marshal of the British Air Force Michael Wigston, because it was he who for a long time and very zealously makes his way into aviation for all sorts of minorities and other" oppressed ". People had a simple question for him - why are you, they say, engaged in achieving some nobody needs variety, instead of starting to adequately ensure the country's security in view of the threats from China and Russia? Well, while the marshal is silent ... "

https://dzen.ru/a/ZHrnZQJAhALCuOFH

[Leshak]

It is difficult to expect more stupidity. This is what needs to be screwed up. Although for the current ministers of Germany and the entire European Union, this is quite a normal level.

[tralflot1832]

It’s hard to imagine a Chinese pilot in a German plane for €20, but a German pilot in a Chinese plane for the same €000 + all sorts of goodies is easy. that Li Shanfu, at least lift a finger to fulfill the whining request of the German "girl." He just fucked a black man, with freedom of navigation and specially guessed the time, indicating his place to the black man. The Minister of Defense of England, Wallace, did not reach such a game, although he has the same problems with pennies - pilots.

[Alister kroulegg]

I read Pokryshkin's memoirs about Korea, he wrote that Soviet pilots recognized their "partners" from the Luftwaffe who fought on the side of the UN immediately, by piloting

[Kamos8]

In post-war Germany, life was poor. Not surprisingly, many of their flyers were looking for somewhere to earn extra money.

[carpenter]

Quote: Alister Kroulegg

I read Pokryshkin's memoirs about Korea, he wrote that Soviet pilots recognized their "partners" from the Luftwaffe who fought on the side of the UN immediately, by piloting

Pokryshkin did not fight in Korea, Kozhedub fought there.

[Michael]

If he worked on secret technology and gave non-disclosure agreements, the highest measure of social protection. Why be smart?
However, business is just business.

[Dkuznecov]

VMSZ was liquidated in 1922. What did you come up with?

[Aken]

Exactly. Since 1923, it has become the initial measure.

[Gestas]

58_2. Armed uprising or invasion of counter-revolutionary purposes on Soviet territory by armed gangs, seizing power in the center or on the ground for the same purposes and, in particular, with the aim of forcibly tearing away any part of its territory from the USSR and a separate union republic or terminating the prisoners of the Union SSR with foreign states treaties entail -
the highest measure of social protection - execution or declaration of an enemy of workers with confiscation of property and deprivation of citizenship of the union republic and, thereby, citizenship of the USSR and expulsion from the USSR forever, with the admission, under extenuating circumstances, of demotion to imprisonment for a term not less than three years, with confiscation of all or part of the property. [June 6, 1927 (CS N 49, art. 330)].
Criminal Code of the RSFSR, red.1926, according to the official text with changes as of March 1, 1957.
PS: by the way, based on the text of the norm, they could not be shot as an "enemy of the people", these are mutually exclusive measures of social protection: either shooting or declaring the workers an enemy (with confiscation of property, deprivation of citizenship and expulsion from the USSR).

[unhappy]

In addition to the subscription, you need to give something material - land and a house in a good area, a high pension, attention and care from government agencies. Something like this

[BARKAS]

The Chinese must be told that pilots have never been recruited, but the idea is very good and will probably be implemented.

[Doccor18]

Germany asks China not to recruit former Luftwaffe pilots to train PLA Air Force pilots

The pilots of the PLA Air Force have long had a much larger raid than the pilots of the Bundeswehr ...

[paul3390]

And what - is it also possible ?? Then - is it possible to ask the type of respected German partners to stop training the ukrovermacht? No? And why? Aaaaaa. I remember it's different..

[sdivt]

By the way, China is also actively accepting civilian pilots. A lot of our compatriots from Russia. Not instructors, but pilots. Moreover, they are in very good standing there, they are considered pros from pros

[polpot]

Now the Chinese have their own Air Force 1000 times better than the German ones, what kind of instructors are the Germans, nonsense, then the pilots from the USA and then from the point of view of studying the enemy, but not the Germans.

[Aken]

I think we are talking about the study of tactics and features of piloting.

[Tryams]

China (Chinese) is a mentality, it is useless to ask for something there, it is better to cooperate.
China boldly admits its shortcomings and seeks ways to compensate for them.
Op, and copied, and buy a copy - op, and already copied gave rise to a new and better one.

So if they need the knowledge of imported pilots, and Germany also confirms the venality of its fellow citizens, then China will solve its problem%) Germany needs to look for reasons in itself.

In theory, we also need to buy their brains stupidly. The West is the West - they are sold.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Aren't they voluntarily recruited? Everyone cuts grandmas as best he can. One fights for the Nazis in Ukraine, and the other teaches the Chinese to fly and shoot down the Germans.

[Borik]

I think that in Ukraine there are no German pilots who fly on combat missions, because there is a war going on and they can shoot down.

[nordscout]

As I understand it, China is recruiting former Luftwaffe pilots who fought, more, under the command of Goering ... And such, more, in the "clip", and not in cemeteries? The modern world of the West is full of amazing things, like the "flea market" in Paris... It turns out that Beijing is showing interest in relic pilots... Yes! The East is a delicate matter, Petruha!

[Alister kroulegg]

These are questions to Pistorius' statement. And so, yes, the pilots from the Luftwaffe are already over 100

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Man kann sich nur noch fur das unterirdisch dämliche
"Personal" in der deutschen Politik schämen...!!
Gut, dass die Chinesen offenbar Humor haben...!!!

[nordscout]

Der Osten ist eine subtile Angelegenheit! Und mit Humor ist es dort nicht so einfach... Wir brauchen gute Ausbilder, und in Europa sind die besten, Ausbilder in Deutschland und Russland die besten Ausbilder....

[acetophenone]

he probably won't be very pleased either if I try to do the same

[Rumata]

The Germans no longer have an ordnung, but some kind of mess.
In the USSR, it was simply correct and understandable. A categorical ban on traveling abroad for a certain number of years, depending on the level of the admission form.
I suppose that the Chinese have order and any carrier of a secret is not allowed to travel abroad.

[vadim_ivanov]

And They, that they are such aces of shmass, that they have so much skill, sounds like an absurd boast

[terms]

Like the Chinese will listen to these livers) Did Peskov bite him or something?)) He expressed decisive concern))

[Sergey Khatylaev]

405 German warning to the Chinese))

[Vladimir_2U]

Well, he asks, and if he is sent / ignored? What? What measures of influence will follow?

[Vita vko]

Well done Chinese. It is necessary to accept this useful experience. Just need to take into account the German mentality. And then they themselves recruited pilots, and they flew to their place in Germany on vacation to pay taxes and write reports to the Bundeswehr about their work in the PRC army.

[Illanatol]

Lived up. Previously, the pale-faced Sahibs hired Asian servants, now the Asians rent the descendants of former masters. "Dance, Russia, cry, Europe..."

[Antokha]

German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius

A good name is Boris, but something is filthy about his last years: Yeltsin, Johnson, Pistorius ...

[Sergey G]

Yes Yes . China listened carefully to Fritz, and acted strictly in his own way!

[alesmart]

How history has turned is unthinkable...

[Kostadinov]

Probably we are talking about the pilots of the NNA of the GDR. Some of them later served in the Luftwaffe on Soviet MiG-29 aircraft.

[alexandre II]

I already thought that the Germans were smarter than their cellmates in NATO, but no, a couple of chromosomes were missing, the Chinese were already fulfilling their request at a gallop

[Dedok]

So "asked" or all the same "demanded"?
and yes, retired officers - they receive a pension, they are threatened with its complete absence ... if they do not return
but, the paradigm is such that they are paid in China, apparently, much more than for length of service in their homeland, so let's wait, let's see how they do

[Maxim_RB]

Everything is simple - shot at the end of the contract for the Luftwaffe and there are no problems

[Pavel57]

And that the Chinese answered: I - I, we will not web.

[Private SA]

Quote: polpot

but not the Germans.

But why ? The Germans were the first to use the tactics of action in combat pairs.
The names of von Richthofen and Hartmann should be known to everyone.
The Germans flew on the F-105 "Widowsmaiker" with a sad experience, and on our
MiG-29, so they have experience.

[Butchcassidy]

And how will it be "bye, and us for sho ?!" in German?

[Private SA]

Quote: Rumata

The Germans no longer have an ordnung, but some kind of mess.
In the USSR, it was simply correct and understandable. A categorical ban on traveling abroad for a certain number of years, depending on the level of the admission form.
I suppose that the Chinese have order and any carrier of a secret is not allowed to travel abroad.

The Germans have democracy. Since Madame Ursula von Der Leyne as Minister
defense. By the way, a ten-year ban on traveling abroad was announced to me by the secretaries ...