Yevgeny Prigozhin criticized the Ministry of Defense for the death of residents of the Belgorod region

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Yevgeny Prigozhin criticized the Ministry of Defense for the death of residents of the Belgorod region

The founder of PMC "Wagner" commented on the situation in the Belgorod region, where civilians are dying from daily shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Prigozhin wondered what the Ministry of Defense was doing in connection with this.

The curator of the "Orchestra" cited the statement of the Governor of the Belgorod Region Vyacheslav Gladkov that as a result of the shelling of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, five people were killed and sixteen more were injured of varying severity. According to Prigozhin, the Russian Ministry of Defense is not taking any measures to curb this situation, allegedly hushing up the problem. He blamed Defense Minister Shoigu and Chief of the General Staff Gerasimov for this.



Where is General Lapin? Where is Shoigu? Where is Gerasimov? Where are their explanations to the Russian people that we give away civilians and our territories to be torn to pieces? When will this silence and the attempt to blur the fate of the Russian people end?

- he said.

Prigozhin promised to personally arrive in the Belgorod region, after which he would decide how and when to avenge the death of the civilian population.

Why did we take Bakhmut and rename it Artemovsk? Why are tens of thousands of people, our Russian guys, dying, moving towards the West? In order for us to start giving away, step by step, pieces of the Belgorod region, our primordially Russian land?

- added the curator of PMC "Wagner".

Meanwhile, residents of Shebekino, which is under constant fire from Ukrainian military formations, turned to PMC Wagner and Yevgeny Prigozhin, asking them for help. The corresponding appeal was posted on the social network on the website "Overheard in Shebekino". It is not excluded that an official statement will follow.
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  1. +60
    4 June 2023 13: 40
    Yes, he is right. The border is full of holes, as if there is no war. The entry of the first DRG did not enlighten us, we received the second ...
    Constant shelling of the original territory of the Russian Federation - is this not a "red line"?
    1. +43
      4 June 2023 13: 45
      Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
      Yes, he is right.
      And many "respectable people" in big expensive offices do not like this.
      The day before yesterday, Prigogine revealed something.
      As for provocations. As of today, there are no provocations against us from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, it should be noted that surprises were waiting for us from the other side. Shortly before our departure, we detected suspicious activity along our route. As part of the discovery of this suspicious activity, we called law enforcement and began to investigate our exit routes along the roads. We found about a dozen places where various explosive devices were placed, ranging from hundreds of anti-tank mines to tons of plastid - a charge from the so-called "Serpent Gorynych". All this was under control, while we carried out investigative actions, again together with law enforcement agencies, in order to document everything. Investigations and investigations are underway.
      Those who planted these charges were representatives of the Ministry of Defense. When asked why you did it, they point their fingers up. Questions are not yet answered. These charges did not need to be stacked in order to contain the enemy, since it is located in the rear zone. Therefore, it can be assumed that they wanted to meet the advancing units of the Wagner PMC with these charges, although we do not walk in columns. As a matter of fact, that's it. Everything is safe and sound. No harm done.
      What was that? We assume that this was an attempt at public flogging.

      https://t.me/Prigozhin_hat/3564
      1. -2
        4 June 2023 13: 57
        Prigozhin is at the same time at war with the Khinzirs, the generals of the Ministry of Defense, the Chechens, the crypto-Vlasovites, both in reality and in the media.
        1. -2
          4 June 2023 14: 02
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          Prigozhin is simultaneously fighting Khinzirs, generals of the Ministry of Defense, Chechens

          Not. Wagner is at war with the "Khinzirs", Prigozhin - he is more with the other two.
          1. +4
            4 June 2023 15: 19
            Quote: Repellent
            Prigogine is the bigger one with the other two.

            So far, I like this guy! drinks
            1. 0
              6 June 2023 07: 41
              Previously, the womb was cut down by the Swan. And a lot of people didn't like it. But according to the hypothetical "value" of the truth-womb - Prigozhin outdid Lebed 1000000000 times. And the common people love it.
        2. +10
          4 June 2023 14: 02
          Well, here's the first ever photo of a man with a halo)
          1. +9
            4 June 2023 15: 46
            With a halo, then with a halo, but cunning, not for nothing from the chosen people, Shoigu does not climb higher with criticism. wink
            In place of the Supreme, I would appoint comrade. Prigogine as head of defense of the Belgorod region.
            True, everyone already knows what they will hear right away. Where are the shells, where are the troops and who is to blame. As if Artyomovsk had been destroyed by the Wagners with sticks.
            As for the shelling of Shebekeno, etc.
            There is a war going on and in order to avoid shelling it is necessary to occupy the north of the Kharkov region. Is there strength for this now? Don't know. If Prigozhin knows, then he can be entrusted, he has competent military people who know how to command. But only to supply it not at the expense of the Kursk,
            Bryansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and other directions. They are no less important.
            And now what to do?! If there is not enough strength to kick a Ukrainian fifty kilometers from the state border?
            Probably, in response, warning about this, so that the hulks would say that, they say, Shebekino is responsible for bombing the center of Kuev. It's also a decision-making center.
            They will not understand, and the reservoir will be lowered. It's time, although it is difficult, it is necessary to carry out an operation to suppress air defense every time, to destroy the bridges across the Dnieper one or two at a time.
            It is also time to test tactical nuclear weapons and warn the Western masters of dill that if they continue to escalate by transferring missiles, aircraft and other weapons that pose a danger, at least a potential one, to the Russian Federation, not to mention the participation of their armed forces, then they can bring things to the point that the lines of communication in Western Ukraine will be destroyed by these weapons. The guys are not stupid, you see, they themselves do not "consider themselves a party to the conflict" at all. They will immediately say that, they say, it is necessary to finish this business, they say, they are all for a lasting peace, they, you see, do not want damaging factors to take place in Europe and America.
            1. 0
              5 June 2023 13: 36
              I believe that during the conduct of hostilities, this kind of open "public showdown", in general, should not be. From no one's side. Neither the Russian Armed Forces, nor Russian volunteers of any format ... Moreover, in today's situation ...

              You would listen to what a joyful howl has been standing in the western, so-called. "Media" and the Western philistine herd fed by them, about these statements ... In particular, about the "mining by sappers of the Moscow Region" of the escape routes of the "musicians" ...

              In my opinion, if "showdowns" in the highest command echelon of the Russian Armed Forces and the volunteer sector, they really "hinder the fight." It is necessary to go ASAP not "under the lenses", but the Kremlin ... AND EXACTLY THERE, "knocking with your foot" on the doors of high offices. Demanding "restoring order" and giving the appropriate arguments ...

              Or, which is much more expedient, in general, in Moscow it is continuous, "next to the body", within daily reach. By organizing a clear and continuous transmission of information from the "musicians" according to the conditions of the situation and real needs

              And on the LAN, leave those who actually plan and command the troops trained. And prepared for effective offensive-assault operations and defensive operations. And, of course, the "military correspondents" seconded to them from the "orchestra" ...
        3. +7
          4 June 2023 14: 18
          I'm interested, and who are the crypto-Vlasovites?
          1. +13
            4 June 2023 14: 37
            Quote: azkolt
            I'm interested, and who are the crypto-Vlasovites?

            Probably those with whom the emo-communists are fighting. request
          2. +15
            4 June 2023 14: 37
            Quote: azkolt
            Who are the CryptoVlasovites?

            Recently, they went to Grayvoron together with the Poles, the formation of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine "Russian Volunteer Corps"
            1. +3
              4 June 2023 16: 01
              Why crypto then? Yes, and the Vlasovites are, as it were, a completely different direction, in any case they were not liberals like these.
              1. +2
                4 June 2023 21: 00
                These are not liberals. Liberals (conditional) is the "Legion of Freedom of Russia" banned in the Russian Federation. And here is the "Russian Volunteer Corps" banned in the Russian Federation. And these are just pure Nazis. By the way, our liberals, if they were under the rule of the RDK, would be very and unpleasantly surprised.
          3. +5
            4 June 2023 15: 29
            Quote: azkolt
            I'm interested, and who are the crypto-Vlasovites?


            Here, for example, a certain D. Steshin
            Note his return address.
            What is noteworthy in other publications, he changed his address to a work one, but here apparently he did not have time. Because they learned about his addictions to Vlasovism back in 2015 and after the publication of an article about Steshin from one dill, he quickly changed his email in all his publications to ([email protected]) instead of ([email protected]).

            As a result, it turns out that the Vlasovite, parteigenosse of Bandera and their best kamerad are sincerely trying to convince us that there was no Russian Spring (except in the Crimea), and Ukraine is inhabited by Bandera and there is no need to liberate them.
            What to do, request under the brand name of a patriot hides the parteigenosse of Bandera and the mehr schwein of life.
            1. -1
              4 June 2023 16: 01
              Why fight with him? I don't see any harm from it!
        4. +5
          4 June 2023 16: 19
          . turned to PMC "Wagner" and Yevgeny Prigozhin, asking them for help
          . Well, this is already the end! Who do they turn to for help? Not to the president, not to the head of the region, not to the security forces in the end! Well, who is this Prigogine in fact? Yes, just a businessman! Indeed, if he does not help, it remains only to turn to the "brothers"! am
          1. 0
            5 June 2023 13: 29
            Yes, just no one else! People paid taxes, they were assured that there was money for defense, that "the armor is strong and our tanks are fast ...", they say you are protected, but it turned out that everything was like "there is no money, but you hold on", somehow yourself defend yourself there. In general, it is better to turn to God, he hears everyone and, if according to the church language, will help everyone. On that light. But definitely.
        5. 0
          6 June 2023 00: 40
          That's why Ukrainians watch and like his videos with such delight :)
      2. +8
        4 June 2023 15: 17
        Quote: Infinity
        many "respectable people" do not like it in big expensive offices.

        Is it necessary for service people to sit in such sophisticated chairs? There is no need for this luxury now.
        It would be better if they were given to the Belgorod region, to the points of evacuation of citizens from the shelling of the Armed Forces.

        1. +8
          4 June 2023 17: 01
          Is it necessary for service people to sit in such sophisticated chairs? There is no need for this luxury now.

          Transplant their wooden benches from unplaned boards onto benches, and stuff nails from the bottom up so that they sit uncomfortable like many people, due to the current difficult situation in Russia and on the Ukrainian front ...
        2. +1
          4 June 2023 17: 38
          I agree with you that it is not the place that makes the person beautiful.
          But, in this case, it is possible that the "big stars" are none of the creators of a bright future ... OH, I didn't ask the complex of buildings of the Moscow Region in the center of Moscow.
      3. 0
        4 June 2023 20: 45
        Quote: Infinity
        Prigozhin revealed something

        It looks like Prigozhin is trying on the caftan of the "main national hero." It is very easy to criticize someone when you yourself, in principle, are not responsible for anything, except for your unit.
        1. +3
          5 June 2023 12: 22
          Well, at least he really is responsible for his unit. And what is the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation responsible for? for the defense of the territory of the Russian Federation - he is not responsible, as we see, for the supply of his troops with "everything that is necessary" - he is not responsible. For punishing those responsible for their failures? Also no.
      4. +1
        5 June 2023 11: 20
        Quote: Infinity
        Those who planted these charges were representatives of the Ministry of Defense. When asked why you did it, they point their fingers up.

        Do you believe in victory if they sit upstairs ... "for a jar of jam and a pack of cookies" ...?
    2. +60
      4 June 2023 14: 03
      Prigogine expressed the opinion of the majority! Why, after a year of the start of the NWO, are the cities of mainland Russia destroyed and civilians are dying? Enough talk about "studying the situation". The Supreme guarantor of the Constitution should directly answer the people. Russia has been attacked! Let him reread the articles of this fundamental law, because he promised not to repeat 1941 am Well, when the population of Russia does not believe in the protection of the regular army and turns to PMCs for protection, this is a reason, a very serious reason to revise the 80% rating.
      1. +26
        4 June 2023 14: 27
        Supreme guarantor of the Constitution

        Well, why do you all so stubbornly call him supreme, and even with a capital letter ?? Supreme - this is when a person commands at least something, but what or who is commanded by our adored guarantor? And what are the results of his type of supremacy? Did he deserve such a title?

        We have only one true Supreme - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. And this one...
        1. +3
          4 June 2023 17: 08
          Quote: paul3390
          Supreme guarantor of the Constitution

          Well, why do you all so stubbornly call him supreme, and even with a capital letter ?? Supreme - this is when a person commands at least something, but what or who is commanded by our adored guarantor? And what are the results of his type of supremacy? Did he deserve such a title?

          We have only one true Supreme - this is Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. And this one...

          Our Constitution is already written with a small letter, and soon the President will also be written with a small letter. crying
      2. +36
        4 June 2023 14: 30
        How dare you!!! Do you really not understand that this is a very cunning plan in the manner of Suvorov (lure them, brothers, lure them). Soon they will run out of weapons, they will freeze, Trump will come to power in the USA, a default will strike, the whole world will abandon the dollar and America will collapse. And Europe will crawl itself and will pay us reparations. Ukraine will fall apart and everyone will ask to join us. They will bring the war criminals themselves and hang them on Red Square! That Ukraine, Europe itself will be divided, some will rush across the ocean, well, LGBT of all stripes is understandable, while others will be asked to join us by all of Europe at once! China, seeing this alignment, will offer us a free loan for the restoration of destroyed cities and villages!
        So there is no need to panic. Alarmists against the wall, as Gurulev bequeathed to us! And this is the smartest person I'll tell you. Only Shoigu and Gerasimov are smarter than him among the military! And there is only a little time left before the elections! We have endured a lot of things in our history, but here, in general, ugh!
        1. +32
          4 June 2023 14: 34
          Uh-huh ... We remember, we remember .. For a quarter of a century, they have learned by heart.

          1. +10
            4 June 2023 16: 03
            Do not sell, I just collect such rarities in the fantasy section?
            1. +7
              4 June 2023 18: 45
              Nah - I need it myself, I also sometimes get carried away with unscientific fiction .. Sinful .. And then - you look around, your hand reaches for the safe itself, and you read the volume with promises, you look - and let it go .. For there - well, everything is so gooey and wonderful !! Especially in the first 10 volumes, which are fifteen years ago..
        2. +25
          4 June 2023 14: 47
          Quote: azkolt
          ! And just a little more patience

          Your plan is very vital! The only thing you didn't take into account: the Yellowstone Volcano should be booming any day now! Half the US will be swept away! fellow
          1. +6
            4 June 2023 16: 04
            Quote: Uncle Lee
            Quote: azkolt
            ! And just a little more patience

            Your plan is very vital! The only thing you didn't take into account: the Yellowstone Volcano should be booming any day now! Half the US will be swept away! fellow

            I didn't take this into account, can I make corrections? With a mention of you of course!
            1. +1
              5 June 2023 01: 48
              Quote: azkolt
              can i make corrections?

              Yes please ! You don’t have to mention me, I’m modest .... The main thing is the strict implementation of the plan! hi
      3. +3
        4 June 2023 14: 57
        80 percent of evil. Do you believe it
        1. +5
          4 June 2023 16: 06
          I believe, of course, otherwise I wouldn’t have written1 And don’t you trust the authorities anymore? As in the movie, the Soviet government spoiled you. spoiled!
          1. +16
            4 June 2023 16: 29
            I personally have never voted for Putin. And I did not trust the authorities and do not trust them. It was Putin’s people who blew it, they trusted him for 20 years, as long as there was no war. And as a result, the war is already on our territory.
            1. +2
              5 June 2023 01: 50
              Quote from Deon59
              everything seemed to trust him for 20 years, if only there was no war. And as a result, the war is already on our territory.

              He did not justify the people's trust ....
      4. 0
        5 June 2023 13: 32
        This is most likely a reason to ask yourself the question: do I need SUCH a government, and SUCH a supreme commander in chief and others like him. The whole trouble is that there will be no decent people even in the re-elections, if anything. Remember the clown elections with candidates like Chumak and Ksyushadi.
    3. +12
      4 June 2023 14: 10
      Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
      Yes, he is right. The border is full of holes, as if there is no war. The entry of the first DRG did not enlighten us, we received the second ...
      Constant shelling of the original territory of the Russian Federation - is this not a "red line"?

      As it turned out, the conscripts successfully repelled the enemy’s BTG from Shebekino, including! your division! Again hastily collected and reflected successfully, thank God! And would they put the boys, what would they sing ?! How many more troubles do you need to finally revive the DShMG PV?!!! am
      1. +24
        4 June 2023 14: 32
        I'm embarrassed to ask ... What are conscripts called for? They even take an oath, don't they?
      2. +5
        4 June 2023 14: 37
        Quote: isv000
        As it turned out, the conscripts successfully repelled the enemy’s BTG from Shebekino, including! your division! WITH

        About conscripts. The guys have been standing guard over the border for a long time and on it they constantly rebuff the Khinzirs.
        1. +6
          4 June 2023 15: 08
          And then ... Then it was urgently necessary to drive troops from the Far East
        2. 0
          4 June 2023 16: 30
          Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey
          Quote: isv000
          As it turned out, the conscripts successfully repelled the enemy’s BTG from Shebekino, including! your division! WITH

          About conscripts. The guys have been standing guard over the border for a long time and on it they constantly rebuff the Khinzirs.

          So it is. They even, as far as I heard, were detained until July, at least they took away from my friend in June, and they promise to release them only in July.
      3. +5
        4 June 2023 16: 32
        The Military Informant, only today, had footage of the DRG of Ukrainians entering the village of Novaya Tavolzhanka in the Belgorod region. It looks like they are already roaming around at home!
      4. +5
        4 June 2023 16: 59
        Breaking is not building, the liberals did not spare time and effort to reduce and optimize the border troops, but no one is in a hurry to recreate full-fledged border troops instead of a flawed and ineffective border service, although everyone has already become convinced that the reduction of border troops was a huge and unforgivable mistake.
    4. -1
      4 June 2023 15: 48
      With a semblance of igil, and perfectly armed with which we are at war, a year full of holes in the border, then when the btg already climbed, they threw something from the dv, before that everyone had to put a bolt on both shelling and attacks, most of everything is scattered around the country and they are fighting in the minority without the possibility of normal conduct combat operations.
    5. +7
      4 June 2023 16: 32
      As long as we keep calling the front line "the border", nothing will change.
      Moreover, the enemy had never heard of any "borders".
    6. +7
      4 June 2023 16: 41
      Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
      Isn't this a "red line"?

      What red lines, even if they have already arrived in the Kremlin, and there, as always, they expressed concern.
      1. +1
        5 June 2023 02: 16
        Quote: guest
        expressed concern.

        Lavrov's "deep concern" and Peskov's "serious concern"! Please do not confuse!
    7. 0
      6 June 2023 00: 50
      Yes, this Prigogine has already hesitated ... The last idiot understands that his company could not appear without the knowledge of the FSB, and he himself was Putin's cook, which means he served in the FSB. All his howls and prophecies are an ordinary interdepartmental srach between the Moscow Region and the FSB, and absolutely nothing more. If the Defense Ministry had the same losses as the PMCs during the capture of Bakhmut (he himself said that up to 40% of the 50 thousand prisoners transferred to him "failed") - there would already be a howl for the whole world. It is only interesting why Putin silently looks at all this srach, and does not straighten up the presumptuous cook? It won't do any good...
  2. -33
    4 June 2023 13: 41
    Oh, in vain Prigogine gives free rein to the language. It would be better if he kept silent, and silently dealt with Wagner.
    The Sun worked fine anyway, and Wagner would definitely not have succeeded better.
    1. +23
      4 June 2023 13: 51
      Can you be more precise, where did the aircraft work normally,,?
      1. +4
        4 June 2023 15: 18
        Quote: ASAD
        Can you be more precise, where did the aircraft work normally,,?

        This is when Lapin "led" the attack, with words for the Motherland, for Stalin!
      2. -8
        4 June 2023 15: 24
        On the border of Ukraine with the Belgorod region. The work was almost perfect.
    2. +7
      4 June 2023 13: 57
      What should he be afraid of? For his African and Syrian successes, "big people" in the leadership and "purses" from the oligarchy are grateful to him.
    3. +44
      4 June 2023 14: 00
      Are you aware that an armed attack on the territory of the Russian Federation is the basis for declaring war? It's written in the law. And where are the Ministry of Defense and the Armed Forces? Why don't they raise this question, but watch how Shebekino is shot day after day?
      Prigozhin’s statements accusing the leaders of the Defense Ministry suggest the reaction of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, who must either protect his appointees from attacks by taking tough measures against Prigozhin, or agree with the accusations by removing the minister and the chief of the General Staff from their posts. However, neither one nor the other occurs, which indicates problems at the level above the MO. No adequate leader will allow undermining the authority of the military during hostilities.
      1. -28
        4 June 2023 14: 05
        Quote: Boris Sergeev
        Are you aware that an armed attack on the territory of the Russian Federation is the basis for declaring war? The law says

        Show where in the law it says that war must be declared in this case?

        Quote: Boris Sergeev
        Prigozhin’s statements with accusations of the leaders of the Moscow Region suggest the reaction of the Supreme High Command


        0:33 - 0:42 on video. Directly your thoughts.

        Quote: Boris Sergeev
        No adequate leader will allow the authority of the military to be undermined during hostilities.

        That is, in your opinion, Prigozhin is inadequate. Alright, let's write it down... Yes
        1. +27
          4 June 2023 14: 14
          Lover of overexposure, it was said "is the reason", not "should be".

          Defense law.

          Article 18. State of war

          1. A state of war is declared by federal law in the event of an armed attack on the Russian Federation by another state or group of states.

          Naturally, such a law should be adopted, which is an extremely dubious prospect with the commander in chief busy opening Ferris wheels, introducing electronic visas for citizens of NATO countries and meeting with the "creative industry".
          1. -9
            4 June 2023 14: 49
            Defense law.

            Article 18. State of war

            1. A state of war is declared by federal law in the event of an armed attack on the Russian Federation by another state or group of states.

            Where are the words: should be? If these words are not present, then at the discretion of officials. You are an adult, you must understand that if the law does not imply an unambiguous interpretation, then officials will always interpret it in their favor, depending on the situation.
            The situation is further complicated by the fact that Russia was the first to invade foreign territory, which means that the above law no longer works.
            1. +1
              4 June 2023 16: 07
              So you can be asked: Where or from whom did you find the words "should be"?
            2. +4
              4 June 2023 17: 06
              Where are the words: should be? If these words are not present, then at the discretion of officials.
              That's just "should be" this sometime later, at the discretion of officials. The law is clearly written. Announced. Here and now. Regardless of anyone's desire / unwillingness. The one who is obliged to do it, but does not do it. At the very least, he is a criminal who breaks the law. But in fact - a traitor and a traitor to the motherland.
            3. 0
              4 June 2023 17: 52
              Russia is capitalized. Even Trinidad and Tobago, Nauru, USA, UK, China. Does not depend on the size of the state.
              You won’t like it if someone mistakenly scribbles your real name on the keyboard with a small letter?
              One can
            4. -4
              4 June 2023 18: 08
              The situation is further complicated by the fact that Russia was the first to invade foreign territory, which means that the above law no longer works.
              And why did this outskirts become foreign territory to Russia if it historically belonged to Russia? Plus, Russia is the legal successor of the USSR and paid off debts for the outskirts. In my opinion, Russia has every right to return the territory of the outskirts squeezed from it by the separatists. When Russia paid the debt for the outskirts, it suited the separatists. And as soon as Russia came to take what is hers, does that mean an attack?! And what about on the outskirts of the states and Europe? Or what about the states in Europe?
          2. -1
            4 June 2023 15: 52
            Everything is ok. At the bank they said that they do not know who is behind all this, so there is no reason to declare war! We continue SVO.
            1. -2
              4 June 2023 17: 13
              Everything is ok. At the bank they said that they do not know who is behind all this, so there is no reason to declare war! We continue SVO.
              You have a reservation. Apparently you meant the Kremlin, not the bank.
        2. +11
          4 June 2023 15: 01
          In our opinion .. The head of the Wagner enterprise simply catches the hype, as in the case of shells. But seriously, the General Staff and the top leadership of our country are to blame for this situation - "Istanbul", this is clearly not Lapin or Prigogine, but the Kremlin
    4. +15
      4 June 2023 14: 09
      Quote from monetam
      Oh, in vain Prigogine gives free rein to the language. It would be better if he kept silent, and silently dealt with Wagner.

      Well, yes, but Gerasimov and Lapin Artemovsk (Bakhmut) were released.
      1. -8
        4 June 2023 15: 06
        Quote: carpenter
        Quote from monetam
        Oh, in vain Prigogine gives free rein to the language. It would be better if he kept silent, and silently dealt with Wagner.

        Well, yes, but Gerasimov and Lapin Artemovsk (Bakhmut) were released.

        Here is a specific view either from a sagging sofa, but rather from the office of tsip and co .this is the same - of course, the foreman repairs the faulty pipe and the owner does not pay and supply the repair kit.
    5. +5
      4 June 2023 14: 14
      Quote from monetam
      Oh, in vain Prigogine gives free rein to the language. It would be better if he kept silent, and silently dealt with Wagner.
      The Sun worked fine anyway, and Wagner would definitely not have succeeded better.

      If only your conscript son "successfully worked" there, what would they sing?! Or just get drunk?
      1. +8
        4 June 2023 14: 44
        Do you propose to hire PMCs to protect conscripts?
    6. +5
      4 June 2023 15: 00
      Well cheers patriot knows better. Shoigu will lead the attack in a dashing limousine.
    7. 0
      6 June 2023 00: 53
      Absolutely agree. Most Russians are already tired of his bully attacks on the Moscow Region. Well, except for the cheers-patriots, of course ...
  3. +42
    4 June 2023 13: 46
    Already the whole country does not understand what is happening ...
    1. +32
      4 June 2023 13: 55
      But it is necessary - treats this with understanding and patience .. As well as other dirty tricks over the past 30 years .. And - of course, to believe in the infinite wisdom of our leaders ..
      1. +10
        4 June 2023 14: 32
        There are two extra letters in the word wisdom. It seems
        1. +3
          4 June 2023 14: 59
          Quote from Vashek
          There are two extra letters in the word wisdom. It seems

          Yes, don't be shy!
          We are forced to believe in the endless turbidity of our tops.
          No light, no faith in the future...
        2. +1
          4 June 2023 17: 17
          There are two extra letters in the word wisdom. It seems
          Or one. "R"
    2. +20
      4 June 2023 13: 55
      wait, wait, we have more important things right now, preparations for the economic forum and the extension of the grain deal
      1. +20
        4 June 2023 14: 11
        That's for sure. In Putin's Russian Federation, the business and the market are above all else! And in general, as they say, the problems of the Indians of the sheriff are not interested.
    3. +47
      4 June 2023 13: 59
      What is there to understand. One "guarantor" for 20 years pretended to be a "macho on a horse" and a great genius of a multi-way mover, locking all the power to himself. its real essence and the tower staggered, since the system was imprisoned for one person, who turned out to be a "NON-guarantor", the barons, seeing the weakness and puffiness of the first, went peddling and doing business. Even Zakharova let it slip that there was a war going on upstairs "Elite" hi
      1. +1
        4 June 2023 15: 02
        The towers staggered, and if they collapse.
    4. +52
      4 June 2023 14: 01
      Quote: Million
      Already the whole country does not understand what is happening ...

      The whole country has already realized that our Defense Ministry and General Staff have screwed up. Everyone understood that they were not preparing for the war, but were preparing for ostentatious parades and exhibitions. Everyone understood that in these structures there are no competent generals who cannot organize either an offensive or a defense. And the residents of the Belgorod region also realized that the army was not able to protect them and turned to PMCs for help. Disgrace...
      1. +14
        4 June 2023 14: 29
        The sovereign is weak and crafty,
        A bald dandy, the enemy of labor,
        Unintentionally warmed by glory,
        Reigned over us then.

        II
        We knew him very meek,
        When not our cooks
        Double-headed eagle pinched
        Bonapart's tent.
      2. +1
        4 June 2023 21: 27
        Quote: Gritsa
        The whole country has already realized that our Defense Ministry and General Staff have screwed up.

        Yes, boyars. They themselves were appointed, played tricks ... But Voldemar the First had nothing to do with it. hi
    5. +28
      4 June 2023 14: 34
      Russia is like a bus with a drunk driver who promised passengers that he would quickly and comfortably take them to where they need to go, but at the intersection he accidentally turned the wrong way and now does not know where he is actually going. He just hopes that where he goes will be good too. Passengers, meanwhile, start to get nervous, asking where they are going and why it is taking so long, but the driver is afraid to say that he screwed up, so he only repeats over and over again that everything is fine and everything is going according to plan.
      1. +11
        4 June 2023 14: 58
        “We have not achieved any of the goals set during the NWO,” Deputy Chairman of the State Duma Committee on CIS Affairs Zatulin

        “Denazification, demilitarization, protection of the inhabitants of Donbass. On which of these points did we achieve results? None of them. Moreover, some of them have ceased to have any meaning. For example, the neutrality of Ukraine. What is the meaning of this requirement? None at the moment"

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4pIgIu_gno
        1. -9
          4 June 2023 16: 36
          Firstly, this is a purely personal opinion of this applicant.
          Secondly - SVO is not finished yet.
          Thirdly, nothing is known in the future, and therefore such statements are purely populism of this person.
          1. +2
            4 June 2023 20: 45
            Firstly, this is a purely personal opinion of this applicant.


            Ha!
            This is a 5-time deputy, a major functionary-official and, what is very important, an expert at the Security Council of the Russian Federation!
            Such people never express their opinion without first knowing the opinion of their superiors.
        2. +2
          4 June 2023 16: 54
          Quote from: dump22
          What is the meaning of this requirement?

          The meaning is just there, but with the achievement of the requirements of the problem.
          1. +1
            4 June 2023 20: 49
            Maybe you are right.
            But who are you, what public office do you hold?
            And Zatulin is not just some kind of deputy, but an expert at the Security Council of the Russian Federation. He gives advice there, not you.
            1. +2
              4 June 2023 20: 57
              And Zatulin is not just some kind of deputy, but an expert at the Security Council of the Russian Federation.

              It is also important - edinoros ... I.e. seething went inside the ruling party.
        3. 0
          4 June 2023 23: 03
          about "everything is going according to plan", these are the words of the Civil Defense!
          That's how I looked into the water ...
      2. +4
        4 June 2023 15: 05
        As the guarantor answered the question of governing the country. Difficult, difficult but forever. And most importantly, in the video conference mode, smart, meaningless words. Detachment from reality.
      3. +1
        4 June 2023 18: 55
        Everything is much worse: the carrier braked, but only the front wheels hung over the abyss. The road to a bright European-democratic future ended at the bottomless crack dividing our worlds, and no one bothered to carry out topo reconnaissance in a fit of euphoria from "freedom".
    6. 0
      6 June 2023 00: 59
      That's for sure. And this will not add to Putin's rating among the population. Because he took some completely incomprehensible position. On the one hand, Shoigu and Gerasimov enjoy his trust (he set them up himself) ... On the other hand, Prigogine is his former chef, and the PMC he oversees is a product of the FSB (without her permission, no company would exist in nature) . If such a srach between the Moscow Region and the FSB is beneficial to him, this does not do him credit.
  4. +29
    4 June 2023 13: 58
    Well, where is he wrong? Rights completely. People are tired of this silence, it's time to speak openly with the people. Without stuttering, syllable by syllable, like an illiterate person, read from a piece of paper that the adjutants wrote to him. And directly looking into the eyes of the Russian people to tell the truth. We will understand a lot, we will not forgive a lie.
    1. +12
      4 June 2023 15: 09
      Quote: 30 vis
      We will understand a lot, we will not forgive a lie.

      In this case, we will quickly recognize the lie and will not forgive him for this cunning.
      * * *
      It's not worth going far. One explanation and the speed of adoption of the pension reform speaks volumes. In particular, how he hates his people. Not the rabble who daily knocks down money for drinks, not those loafers who have not earned a single ruble in their lives, but those who from birth build (try to build) a happy life for their children; those who are fed up with this swagger of the bourgeoisie, the hypocrisy of the deputies and the arrogance of the "elite" ...
      They saw, learned and appreciated what they are worth in a difficult time.
      1. 0
        5 June 2023 08: 19
        Quote: ROSS 42
        Not the rabble who daily knocks down money for a drink, not those loafers who have never earned a single ruble in their lives, but those who build (try to build) a happy life for their children from birth; those who are fed up with this swagger of the bourgeoisie, the hypocrisy of the deputies and the arrogance of the "elite" ...

        Boldly you divide the people into pure and unclean. Building a happy life for your children.... Without a calm, dignified, high-quality life of the entire Russian people, there cannot be a happy life for some specially selected children. Let ours too. What we can ? To be decent people, not dully dodgy, businessmen, but decent in everything. . Be an example for your children in life. The succession of generations is called.
    2. +1
      4 June 2023 15: 39
      Quote: 30 vis
      And directly looking into the eyes of the Russian people to tell the truth

      How does this resonate with:
    3. -1
      4 June 2023 21: 32
      Quote: 30 vis
      And directly looking into the eyes of the Russian people to tell the truth.

      The truth? For what?
      He (the people) will be upset for some good, get excited ... He can break firewood.
      This is not "our" method. hi
    4. 0
      6 June 2023 01: 09
      WHAT do you need to say? WHAT are they hiding from you? Who is your Prigogine? In PMCs they fight for loot (they pay much more than in the Russian army): according to the contract, he is assigned a certain task, and he must complete it within the agreed time. Can he command an army? Yes, he can’t command anything at all, he’s not a military man - he has hired military specialists, most of them from the same Defense Ministry ... Does he know intelligence data? Can he control nuclear forces? Fleet?... People like him will turn the army into a bunch of field commanders. And, in the end, they will ruin it, as it was already in the 90s. I recall the equally popular (during the Civil War) Sorokin, who imagined he was the devil, and was eventually shot by his own ... It is clear to anyone that the PMC was created with Putin's permission. and under the control of the FSB (it simply cannot be otherwise). But, it is not clear to anyone where Putin is looking, and why he does not straighten up his rough-and-tumble cook when he scolds the Moscow Region (which Putin himself formed). Why does Putin need this shameful srach - that's the question ...
      1. 0
        6 June 2023 01: 16
        Quote: Muromczev-2015
        And, in the end, they will ruin it, as it was already in the 90s.

        And what happened in the 90s?
  5. +24
    4 June 2023 13: 59
    Sad, sad. recourse Remotely reminiscent of the 90s, when they turned for help not to the police, but to the brothers. Today, only the level of "disassembly" has changed, has risen to a completely different level.
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  7. +20
    4 June 2023 14: 07
    I am amused about such DRG statements! Those. in the understanding of our MO, two companies reinforced with tanks are DRGs? Moreover, these DRGs are advanced in marching order along the roads and are supported by artillery fire! There is only one conclusion, in such a mess, the BTG will soon enter, and maybe something more significant will be perceived ... And in general, maybe it’s time to stop thinking that there are nationalist militants on the other side, who supposedly ... There is an ARMY that rivets our ostentatious troops. .. Whoever thinks that I'm wrong, let him imagine what happened if not PMC Wagner and Akhmat!
    1. +12
      4 June 2023 14: 17
      Somewhere a light / motorized infantry btg with a large artillery reinforcement group operates there.

      Today, by the way, they scored the shooter Gladkov. They offer to meet in the temple to talk about the future, if he arrives before 17 p.m., then they will give two prisoners who are named on the video with their full name, unit and place of residence.
      1. +25
        4 June 2023 14: 50
        Well, they lived to see that now they are beginning to set conditions on our territory ... and the military-roletic leadership has got water in its mouth. It looks like the Wagnerites need to come to this meeting, and not the governor
        1. 0
          4 June 2023 16: 59
          Quote: Earth Walker
          Well, they lived to see that now they are beginning to set conditions on our territory ... and the military-roletic leadership has got water in its mouth. It looks like the Wagnerites need to come to this meeting, and not the governor

          The governor has to go to pick up the wounded. The case of the Wagnerians is different.
        2. +1
          4 June 2023 17: 01
          Quote: Earth Walker
          Well, they lived to see that now they are beginning to set conditions on our territory ... and the military-roletic leadership has got water in its mouth. It looks like the Wagnerites need to come to this meeting, and not the governor

          When the ammonia pipeline is opened (if), then they will have their own mouth. This is the main thing for M. Hohliks is war, and our main thing is money! Well, you must understand that money is needed for the war, so they are trying their best!
      2. +2
        4 June 2023 15: 23
        Send Lapin: he will agree ...
      3. -3
        4 June 2023 16: 56
        No negotiations with terrorists, only destroy them.
        1. +1
          4 June 2023 17: 50
          Are you serious? You are a tough warrior though!
          1. 0
            1 July 2023 12: 45
            Well, actually, this is how all normal countries act with terrorists.
    2. +6
      4 June 2023 17: 29
      Those. in the understanding of our MO, two companies reinforced with tanks are DRGs?
      MO is very beneficial if it were DRGs. Then this is a matter for the FSB, the National Guard, and someone else. If we admit that this is a full-fledged invasion of the Armed Forces of another country. Then you have to tear your asses off warm chairs and go to war. And they really don’t want to, and they don’t know how to do it.
  8. -3
    4 June 2023 14: 07
    Founder of PMC "Wagner"

    Who said he was the founder? Not from a great mind they are trying to make a media figure out of him. Blown away with Strelkov, now here is Prigogine. The result will be the same.
    1. +14
      4 June 2023 16: 15
      Quote: Ermak_Timofeich
      Blown away with Strelkov, now here is Prigogine. The result will be the same.


      Prigozhin, it’s impossible to throw Strelkov .... if in 2014 it was possible to neutralize all Strelkov’s statements (negative in relation to the country’s leadership, president, officials, etc.), they say he plays for other people’s gates, etc., then here is the situation in 2023 it’s different, one picture on TV can’t explain why the Belgorod region is on fire, and UAVs are flying in the Central part of Russia .... people want to know 1) When it will end. 2) When the RF Armed Forces take effective measures to protect their cities. 3) Who will be responsible for all mistakes?

      The silence of the authorities can be costly, because. they started this whole mess, but they practically lost contact with the population, there is no direct dialogue between society and the authorities ... even the direct line was canceled in 2022, and it is not known whether it will be at all, because. There are many questions, they are all unpleasant and no one wants to answer them.

      And Prigogine now speaks as the voice of the people, and asks the right questions .... if the silence continues, then I'm afraid that the people and the truth will someday take up the pitchfork and go himself to demand answers.
      1. 0
        6 June 2023 01: 29
        Prigozhin - the voice of the people? Boo-ha-ha-ha-ha ... Prigozhin is a product of the FSB. If you have brains in your head, then think about how some MILITARY company (read - an armed formation) could appear in a nuclear country, without the knowledge and consent of the FSB, and personally President Putin ??? Yes, it would be unthinkable - everyone understands it. :). Another thing, no one understands why Putin is looking at this srach between the Defense Ministry and the FSB with the air of an outside observer. The department in which he himself served - scolds the department, the leadership of which he appointed (and with which he goes fishing together) - and he pretends that nothing is happening :(. More than strange ... And does not add respect to him:(((
    2. +2
      4 June 2023 17: 30
      Prigogine is a good PR man, you are talking in vain
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  10. +16
    4 June 2023 14: 20
    He also said about Artemovsk. That they held the southwestern outskirts of Artemovsk with their teeth, and the Defense Ministry surrendered those positions in less than a week. And predicts the development and resumption of fighting for the city.
  11. +15
    4 June 2023 14: 22
    Every news starts with whining - we've been beaten again. The impression is that the country is constantly justifying itself for something and is completely incapable of standing up for itself. It's all very sad. Thanks to Prigogine - at least a ray of light in a troubled kingdom. He seems to be very unsuited to the court, but you can’t refuse - without him, it’s completely a pipe.
  12. +4
    4 June 2023 14: 23
    Prigozhin, another Strelkov who speaks out about the work of the Moscow Region. The army was totally reduced at the beginning of the NMD, the required number of troops was not there. So to speak, they stuck themselves in a hornet's nest, which no one noticed since 2014, that Ukraine is arming itself and that they promised to help it
    It was not at all necessary to agree with America to sign different agreements, they still do not comply with them, they will sign under one president, the other is already ready to go to war against Russia
    We already lived in the 90s at the behest of the United States, they gave us a collapse of the economy
    In the late 90s, we developed well in all sectors and could have caught up with the United States if not for Gorbachev. They deceived Gorbachev, they deceived Yeltsin, they deceived Putin with their dorovors.
    The goal of the United States is to take loans from them in dollars, buy their goods
    And they agreed because all their children studied abroad, as Prigozhin himself said. And the money was taken out of Russia, which is now blocked there
    1. +13
      4 June 2023 15: 08
      The beginning of the NWO, the Russian army, the number of about 1 million. Russian Guard 370 thousand. The army of Ukraine is about 190 thousand. What other numbers to give.
      1. -2
        4 June 2023 17: 00
        Quote from Deon59
        The beginning of the NWO, the Russian army, the number of about 1 million. Russian Guard 370 thousand. The army of Ukraine is about 190 thousand. What other numbers to give.

        It's all on paper. Even according to Western information, our contingent at the beginning of the NWO was 150000.
      2. 0
        4 June 2023 18: 35
        Scatter this million on the territory of Russia and concentrate on the front line. What will happen? Minus the dead and wounded, plus replenishment. Replenishment of lost weapons, repair. Rembats who will be listed? For MO or outsourcing? Factories will be able to meet the needs of the front?
  13. +12
    4 June 2023 14: 24
    Except for Prigozhin, everyone just doesn't care about the residents.
  14. +12
    4 June 2023 14: 32
    But he is absolutely right!
    ..........
  15. +12
    4 June 2023 14: 42
    Unfortunately, he is absolutely right, and for the people who are watching how our government does not react and does not solve the issue of protecting the border and citizens, given that military operations are taking place along it, it causes hostility and disapproval of these grief leaders from large offices, who apparently brains swam with fat that they allow such things to get up to the enemy, against our people.
    1. +7
      4 June 2023 14: 54
      The people who "watch" how they are screwed deserve to be screwed even harder.
  16. +3
    4 June 2023 14: 47
    The Armed Forces of Ukraine were given as many weapons as Russia did not have. Two civilian ministers of defense led the country to collapse. Now the production of weapons is only increasing.
    Shoigu and Serdyukov did not think about the ammunition depots, about the border troops that have existed since the days of the USSR. Military schools have undergone a total reduction
    At least there will be a problem with the officers and they will be called up.
    Well, you think that modernization in the army has been going on for years since 2008, it began with a reduction, it was reduced until 2012 and they said we supplied the required amount of equipment, many people ask where is it? Well, think that when there was a collapse in the Russian army in Ukraine, they provoked a Maidan in order to lead the country to war. By 2014, the Russian army was not ready. Well, if you analyze the year of the war. The fact that they broke through in the first months practically did not increase the territory. Apparently switched to plan B is the defense
    Well, it is not clear why the mobilization is not carried out, new people are not trained.
    And even if they pick up weapons, then no. One of the reasons why they do not mobilize.
    1. -2
      4 June 2023 19: 47
      The Armed Forces of Ukraine were given as many weapons as Russia did not have

      Russia had tens of thousands of tanks, artillery pieces, infantry fighting vehicles, thousands of aircraft. How many were handed over to the Armed Forces of Ukraine? wassat
  17. 0
    4 June 2023 14: 51
    Prigozhin hits hard, but not on target, but always below ..... Is the front sight shot down? .....
  18. +2
    4 June 2023 14: 53
    of course, crap is going on, there are not enough troops, let them carry out another mobilization, and there is no need to pull the cat by the balls, we need to strangle the hydra as soon as possible, the longer our tops are pulled with a decision, the more likely it is in unpredictable consequences of the development of the situation, and it will come to exchanging blows between yao and nato in the end
  19. 0
    4 June 2023 14: 56
    In terms of controversy:
    The army cannot—and must not! - fight according to the patterns of PMCs

    "To be a man" - like just now or like nothing?

    Mikhail Sinelnikov-Orishak

    https://svpressa.ru/society/article/374976/
    1. +3
      4 June 2023 15: 19
      Maybe you are right, but I remember the words of my grandfather-front-line soldier, how a Russian grandmother shouted at them, stepping through the village: "We dressed you in gold, but you cannot stand up for us!" and so on.
      1. 0
        6 June 2023 01: 26
        Quote: VovaVVS
        "We dressed you in gold, but you can't stand up for us!"

        Grandfather told. In captivity, an SS man led him to be shot. Well, my grandfather took it and beat it: "We feed your prisoners, and you starve us!" Well, the SS man shook his head and did not shoot. But grandfather was already in the pit.
  20. -3
    4 June 2023 15: 03
    Prigozhin is a good PR man, this cannot be taken away from him. Why was this statement made? Again sow another enmity between the Russian military, whom he constantly pours mud on? Just this. What, Shoigu, after this statement will he begin to correct the situation in Belgorod? No. Why then? To whom Prigogine is talking and for what - it is not clear
  21. +14
    4 June 2023 15: 05
    mdya ..... the supreme played out in shows and parades ...... the stupid cardboard-parquet environment finally showed itself in its full glory (fans of tank biathlons, patriot parks and the annual parades of the navy) .... Prigogine is right, all this fool on trial
    1. +5
      4 June 2023 15: 26
      Quote: next322
      .the supreme played out in shows and parades ...... the stupid cardboard-parquet environment finally showed itself in its full glory

      So you read and think about it, but is the GDP really sitting there, or has it already been replaced with a double?
      1. +5
        4 June 2023 15: 35
        Not sitting yet, but everything can change smile
      2. AUL
        +8
        4 June 2023 16: 04
        And what, behind him before brilliant deeds were listed? Well, except for the pension reform, of course ...
      3. +9
        4 June 2023 16: 59
        Quote: Egoza
        So you read and think about it, but is the GDP really sitting there, or has it already been replaced with a double?

        And what were the merits of the past? In addition to dragging a portfolio for a dog and muddy schemes in power and selling everything that is possible from the country?
        1. +5
          4 June 2023 17: 36
          Quote: lis-ik
          And what were the merits of the past?

          Uh ... Actually, I spent the Olympics. And the football championship!
    2. 0
      4 June 2023 16: 09
      Quote: next322
      mdya ..... the supreme played out in shows and parades ...... the stupid cardboard-parquet environment finally showed itself in its full glory (fans of tank biathlons, patriot parks and the annual parades of the navy) .... Prigogine is right, all this fool on trial

      Prigozhin is right that the "Supreme has finished his game" or that the "shelupon" should be somewhere - there? In my opinion, both at the same time - it is not logical.

      In addition, give at least one phrase of Prigozhin, where he criticizes the Supreme Commander ..... Girkin had it, so Girkin is already being checked for discredit .....
  22. +2
    4 June 2023 15: 05
    Quote: Alister Kroulegg
    will begin to correct the situation in Belgorod

    is obliged to correct the situation, and not sit in the office. let him go to the Belgorod region and raise it with a bayonet, since it doesn’t work anymore
    1. 0
      4 June 2023 16: 16
      Quote: Graz
      Quote: Alister Kroulegg
      will begin to correct the situation in Belgorod

      is obliged to correct the situation, and not sit in the office. let him go to the Belgorod region and raise it with a bayonet, since it doesn’t work anymore

      Everyone is obliged to do what they are obliged to do. But by what order were the Border Troops liquidated? And in whose jurisdiction is the function of the former Border Troops now? run by the FSB.

      In general, is it objectively possible now to 100% protect the borders with the available forces? The area and border of Ukraine is larger than that of Germany ...

      I believe that if Prigogine is allowed from Above to carry any nonsense without any responsibility for the consequences, this does not mean that every commentator is obliged to repeat this nonsense.
      1. 0
        4 June 2023 16: 52
        Do not worry you. Many people are simply sore and emotionally do not know what they are doing - just to speak out. And believe me, as soon as the situation turns the other way, they will trumpet in the very first rows about the well-worked cunning plan of the Moscow Region and other positive aspects.
        1. 0
          4 June 2023 22: 54
          as soon as the situation turns the other way, they will trumpet in the very first rows about the well-worked cunning plan of the Moscow Region and other positive points
          No)) will not. They are not interested in such topics.
          The RF Armed Forces repulsed an attempt of a local counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine west of Ugledar, destroying at least 15 armored vehicles
          Today, 21: 47
          13
          13 comments in one hour.
          But Prigozhin criticized the Moscow Region
          Today, 13: 35
          159
          159 comments.
          The brain of many here is simply sharpened for negativity, there is an opportunity to splash out negative emotions, they do it with joy. They don't care about positive news.
          1. +1
            5 June 2023 08: 58
            For some reason, the negative is more in trend than the positive, and the journalists know this, and for the sake of popularity they feed on the negative.
  23. +8
    4 June 2023 15: 13
    I don’t know what our generals are taught in the academies, but as history shows, the border war is lost by the static defending side ...
    1. +10
      4 June 2023 15: 24
      I don’t know what our generals are taught in the academies

      Yes, few people know what they are taught there, but everyone has already seen what they learned.
    2. -8
      4 June 2023 17: 00
      Quote: VovaVVS
      I don’t know what our generals are taught in the academies, but as history shows, the border war is lost by the static defending side ...

      On the real the moment Ukraine loses the border war - it's us on its territory (and quite large by any standards) and not them on ours
      1. -4
        4 June 2023 22: 16
        Quote: your1970
        it's us on her territory ... and not they on ours

        No, we are on our own territory, and they are on our.
        This is OUR land. Temporarily occupied by Bandera.
  24. +16
    4 June 2023 15: 17
    The danger is not in the shelling as such. The danger is that the people from the Shebekinsky district (and from the border regions in general) are fleeing, and inland. Few people plan to return, because there are no prerequisites for correcting the situation. A gray, poorly controlled zone is created in which enemy DRGs of all stripes and sizes will feel very at ease. Soon, cannon and rocket artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, their mortars can be pulled up there, and then Belgorod itself will be subjected to shelling. And from there, people will also be drawn to leave. Should you continue further? And MO continues to pretend that nothing special is happening.
    1. -7
      4 June 2023 15: 24
      That is, a conditional pensioner living in Shebekino is now catching Ukrainian saboteurs? How does the outflow of the population to the interior creates the danger of the emergence of drg?
      1. +4
        4 June 2023 15: 56
        Quote: Alister Kroulegg
        How does the outflow of the population to the hinterland creates the danger of the emergence of drg

        Yes, at least by the fact that ONLY THE POPULATION LIVING IN THIS TERRITORY IS ABLE TO CONTROL IT!!! The population working, living, moving through this territory! Not copters, not border guards, not the FSB - only the population sees every minute who is doing what there. There is no population - everything, a gray zone, no one really knows what is happening there. It is strange that such simple things have to be explained.
        1. -1
          4 June 2023 16: 02
          That is, the population needs to be exposed to the blow of Ukrainian DRGs so that they see something there? Some kind of cannibalistic policy, don't you think?
          1. -1
            4 June 2023 16: 10
            Who do you have to be to see such a meaning in my words? You are stupid, sir. It's just that gray zones should be created by WE and ON THE TERRITORY OF THE ENEMY. And I think - by the same methods, that is, shelling of settlements. Let their population scatter. I've had enough of this strange humanism. We no longer have brothers or just friends. Well, I don't think there's any need to be embarrassed.
  25. +15
    4 June 2023 15: 24
    Yes, there is no longer any need to criticize .... Shoigu must definitely be removed (along with his mediocre parquet shufflers) because this plywood misunderstanding slows down all the positive processes for the RF Armed Forces. We are talking about the survival of Russia, so incompetent and stupid personnel are tedious to burn out with a red-hot iron as enemies. The example of General Muradov, through whose fault hundreds of our guys died, was transferred with a promotion. This is generally called as not sabotage and betrayal.
    1. +14
      4 June 2023 17: 02
      Quote: Chernorechye
      Yes, there is no longer any need to criticize .... Shoigu must definitely be removed (along with his mediocre parquet shufflers) because this plywood misunderstanding slows down all the positive processes for the RF Armed Forces. We are talking about the survival of Russia, so incompetent and stupid personnel are tedious to burn out with a red-hot iron as enemies. The example of General Muradov, through whose fault hundreds of our guys died, was transferred with a promotion. This is generally called as not sabotage and betrayal.

      Who will film? This is one gang of thieves. They will not rest until they ruin Russia to the end and take out everything that can be taken out of the country.
  26. +5
    4 June 2023 15: 24
    Countering the DRG is an old topic. As well as harassing shelling of settlements. Both are done strictly by the forces of army units, without any territorial defense, but precisely by special forces. which so - suddenly! - that's why they are called, and them - all of a sudden! - you need to be attracted to it. And those - all of a sudden! - available.
    And here Prigogine is right, it is not clear why this is not being done. Yes, damn it, 100% will still not be closed, but for almost a day, sporadically shelling a settlement is already too much. And Patriot right on the border - too much. If the FB is not lying, that they shot down 4 sides precisely by them. At least this is exactly 2 jambs, it’s another matter that they can count like this - they still can’t block 1500 km, which means there’s nothing to itch. But it’s one thing when they’re hunting for a wandering eighty-two mortar, and another thing, when they pushed a brisk MLRS to the border, by the way, it won’t go everywhere, and already 20 times it was possible to throw anti-tank mines, but it’s impossible - all of a sudden, after all, a peaceful truck will blow up !
  27. +10
    4 June 2023 16: 12
    Military action is a blood business. Some make money like friends like Sechin, Rotenberg, while others die. In Russia, again raised the price of gasoline. For whom? Again type for Sechin. So he is profiting not sickly with the people and all sorts of dampers, and now also with the supply of fuel and lubricants. Military action is also the same as government contracts. And how many kickbacks are taken or bought at an inflated price. There are many examples, and I think such actions are no exception in NWO. If someone is surrounded by these insatiable friends, then what can one say. He is unable to refuse them, and even more so if they have invested in the election campaign in the past, and will invest in 2024 (((
    1. -5
      4 June 2023 17: 00
      Nikniknik, I am also outraged by the things that are happening in our country both at the front and in the rear. But why lie about the increase in gasoline prices, I regularly fill my "grindstone" with 93 gasoline at the Lukoil gas station and have not seen any price increase for almost more than a year. A noticeable increase in prices at gas stations stopped after the start of the CBO, or am I wrong? Or are you not at the gas station? I repeat once again with the beginning of the CBO there is no noticeable increase in gasoline prices. No matter how badly we treated the bourgeoisie, they were able to keep the situation under control, the situation could be much worse with prices, and not only with fuel.
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  29. +9
    4 June 2023 16: 40
    It's time for Putin and Shoigu to come to Belgorod and ask for forgiveness from the residents of Shebekino and border villages for neglecting their constitutional duties. They cannot protect the population and territory of Russia from enemy attacks. Barely picked up censorship words.
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    2. +3
      4 June 2023 20: 52
      This is not a tsarist-boyar business to "break your hat" before the serfs, Mr. PVV66 ..... The serfs will be remembered when the elections are "on the nose" ... That's when apologies and promises will fall, as if from a "horn of plenty". In the meantime, as in the song L.O. Utyosova: "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise!" Yes! Watch Solovyov on TV - it is very calming and inspires optimism in all directions ...... And, of course, victory will be ours, with promising "cuts" of the state. budget for the restoration of the destroyed, no longer national, economy ... That's something like that.
  30. +8
    4 June 2023 16: 47
    And who cares about the common people? Nobody! Ordinary Russians are interesting to the state, only as the electorate on the eve of the elections ... In vain, Mr. Prigozhin "shakes the air with words, I think that he himself understands everything perfectly .... No one will ever answer for the death of civilians in Shibekino, for the destruction and international shame that "fell" on the head of Russia for "indifference" in the organization of the defense of the state. borders. The evacuees are housed in school gyms (and the city's hotels are "untouched") What's that? And this is the bonal "indifference" towards compatriots, in its daily manifestation of all, or almost all, branches of executive power ....
  31. 0
    4 June 2023 16: 58
    In addition to the fact that the borders are full of holes, we cannot properly protect civilians who live there in fear, Donetsk will soon turn into dust, why is the country's security not properly ensured, a question for the Commander-in-Chief? Why such indecision, where are our Russian weapons, which only shine at exhibitions? It is a pity for the death of people, who will answer for this ???
  32. +4
    4 June 2023 17: 11
    Well, at least he clearly and specifically explained the goals and objectives of his - re-renaming Bakhmut to Artyomovsk.
  33. Two
    +4
    4 June 2023 17: 12
    And what is there to criticize, the fact that the distance from Belgorod to Kharkov is 70 km. From Shebekino to the border 5 km, now compare the range of modern art systems. As I already wrote to the authorities of the Belgorod region, a year ago it was necessary to take away people within a radius of 30 km from the border. And the authorities of the Belgorod region, as well as the Kursk and Bryansk regions, all believe in miracles that someone will come and do this work for them (our valiant officials are used to sitting quietly on their ass). And now they started shooting at them, I’m generally surprised that they started shooting so late , I thought that they would do this half a year ago. In the Belgorod region, there are two solutions (in my opinion), one is the capture of the Kharkov region, the second if the first does not make the territory up to Belgorod on our side and to Kharkov with the Ukrainian will be a gray zone of more than one the whole settlement (zone of action of art systems).
    1. +2
      4 June 2023 17: 17
      In general, you write correctly. It is only interesting what the Kremlin thinks on this issue. It's not quite right to blame everything on the governors
      1. +1
        4 June 2023 22: 33
        Quote: Alister Kroulegg
        It is only interesting what the Kremlin thinks on this issue.

        Think?
        Someone "draws", someone "cuts", someone "negotiates". They haven't "started" yet. But everyone is doing it right. And "reset" periodically. hi
  34. +4
    4 June 2023 17: 16
    Quote: isv000
    Quote: The collective farm is a voluntary business.
    Yes, he is right. The border is full of holes, as if there is no war. The entry of the first DRG did not enlighten us, we received the second ...
    Constant shelling of the original territory of the Russian Federation - is this not a "red line"?

    As it turned out, the conscripts successfully repelled the enemy’s BTG from Shebekino, including! your division! Again hastily collected and reflected successfully, thank God! And would they put the boys, what would they sing ?! How many more troubles do you need to finally revive the DShMG PV?!!! am

    To do this, you first need to "revive" the PVs themselves. sad
  35. +1
    4 June 2023 17: 31
    The question is rhetorical, why did they not build defensive lines in the Belgorod region, as in Zaporozhye, or did they think that the Ukrainians were humanitarians or gentlemen?
  36. +6
    4 June 2023 17: 40
    I recommend the leadership of the Belgorod region to appoint Prigozhin acting. president and supreme in this area. Once the principal does not cope with his duties. And let the acting decides whether the minister of defense and the head of the general staff should remain in their positions. Or remove them and replace them with others.
  37. +8
    4 June 2023 18: 55
    Another confirmation that this government is NOT CAPABLE of protecting the population and territory of our country. For 20 years, we were told fairy tales and fed with tank biathlon. It's a shame for the POWER.
  38. +1
    4 June 2023 18: 59
    There are no secrets here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EABFgqLZQbU
  39. +5
    4 June 2023 21: 09
    Quote from Silver99
    The Supreme guarantor of the Constitution should directly answer the people.


    And he does not want to first answer for many other things that he broadcast before February 24? That there will be no increase in the retirement age while he is president? That we will catch up with Portugal in per capita GDP? Why is it unacceptable to change the Constitution? That you can go crazy to rule the country for more than 8 years? That there is no alternative to the Minsk agreements? That attacking Ukraine is unthinkable, are the Americans slandering? And after February 24 - that everything is going according to plan ahead of schedule? That there will be no mobilization, all tasks will be performed by professionals? That only men under 35 with combat experience will be mobilized? Did he answer for anything? Has anyone asked him for this?
  40. +5
    4 June 2023 22: 03
    Well, this is already the end! Who do they turn to for help? Not to the president, not to the head of the region, not to the security forces in the end! Well, who is this Prigogine in fact? Yes, just a businessman! Indeed, if he does not help, it remains only to turn to the "brothers"! am[/ quote] Peaceful people need protection and security. They turn to someone who can. The rest of the above authorities have demonstrated their incompetence.
  41. 0
    4 June 2023 22: 20
    it is obvious to everyone, but the authorities do not see this; I wonder why the authorities do this? where is the army? do we have power other than the governor? it’s clear that you can’t pull off the dandies, but why don’t we have regiments in the Belgorod region ???? or are there army units? and yours when we start as Putin said until we started
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  43. +1
    5 June 2023 09: 15
    Support with all limbs. The war has been going on for a year, they are constantly hammering on the Belgorod and Bryansk regions, and these not only have retreated to their borders, but they still do not protect them. They keep the army in Siberia, of course it is more important there, suddenly Kazakhstan will attack. Shoigu is not a wartime commander.
    Was it difficult to transfer a couple of divisions a year ago? Firstly, this would help our people in Ukraine by pulling ukrov over to themselves, and secondly, it would allow us to block the border, including airspace. A couple more divisions to the Rostov region, so that there would be a reserve for a quick transfer.
    Today's news: ukry forces of 8 battalions launched a large-scale offensive. Either cry or laugh at our MO. 8 battalions, 3-4 thousand people is this a large-scale offensive? Is it really so bad that it's scale? Where is our strategic aviation? When attacking, the attackers break away from their air defense, let us wedge in and I don’t want to dolby.