Assault detachments of the Russian Armed Forces advanced in Maryinka and took control of the next five quarters

positive news come from the Donetsk direction, where the assault detachments of the Russian army managed to move forward and free the next five blocks of Maryinka from Ukrainian nationalists. This is reported by Russian resources with reference to military correspondents.

At the end of May, the command of the Russian grouping transferred fresh forces to the Maryinsky direction, in particular, the Akhmat special forces detachment and units of the 150th division of the Southern Military District, staffed by those mobilized from the Rostov region, were relocated there. The introduction of fresh forces made it possible to turn the tide and start moving forward. The Ministry of Defense reported about the offensive in this sector in regular reports.

On June 1, Maryinka was 70% liberated, progress was hampered by the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine created over eight years, Ukrainian troops turned the village into one large fortified area, not digging into the ground, but concreted. To date, there are practically no whole houses left in Marinka, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to cling to the ruins. However, despite fierce resistance, ours continue to advance. Today it was reported that the fighters of the 150th division, the 5th brigade and the Akhmat special forces managed to advance in the western part of Maryinka and take another five blocks.

The day before it was reported that in the course of the offensive, ours managed to take six blocks also in the western part of the city. In addition, ours managed to take up positions in the north of Maryinka, having worked with "Solntsepeks" on the opornik of the 79th Air Assault Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

They released about 70% of Marinka itself. We need to do everything to take Maryinka and move the front itself from Donetsk as far as possible so that enemy artillery and MLRS cannot reach the capital of the DPR

- said the commander of the special forces "Akhmat" Apti Alautdinov.

Comments

[Deon59]

First, we storm Artemovsk for 9 months, then Marinka, probably the same amount, then another settlement. So to infinity.

[Machito]

We have been storming Marinka for the second year already. It looks like everything is concreted underground. Surrounding it is impossible. However, we have not been making boilers for a year now. Only in the forehead we storm.

[Terenin]

Quote: Bearded

We have been storming Marinka for the second year already.

By the way, where does the info about four quarters come from?
The original article was "Soldier. pro", but they give a link-source of information on "Military Review"... And an hour earlier, but about the five districts of Maryinka, information was passed on

The soldiers of the 150th division, the 5th brigade and the special forces "Akhmat" of the Southern Military District of the Russian Armed Forces continued to advance and liberated the next 5 blocks in the western part of Maryinka.

Geo: Marinka
Source: Telegram channel "WarDonbass. War in Donbass. Special Operation Z in Ukraine"

[Egeny]

Having received Prigozhin's knee in the ass, the Moscow Region nevertheless decided to advance five blocks...
Well, at least something.)

[alystan]

But why storm in the forehead what is not possible to master such a Makar?

Wasn't it possible to go around, leave in a dense siege and continue to move forward across the open area. At the same time, cutting off the oxygen to all these Marinki. Even if underground they have a myriad of these reserves, but they would run out in a whole year (?!)

[Egeny]

Wasn't it possible to bypass, leave...

Probably you have never been involved in street fights.)
A bully can only be stopped with a strong blow to the eye until it turns blue, otherwise you will have to wait all the time for an answer from the sly.
And the Ukrainians in Maryinka had stocks for years, 8 years, prepared.

[Havoc]

Quote: alystan

But why storm in the forehead what is not possible to master such a Makar?

Wasn't it possible to go around, leave in a dense siege and continue to move forward across the open area. At the same time, cutting off the oxygen to all these Marinki. Even if underground they have a myriad of these reserves, but they would run out in a whole year (?!)

In order to surround and encircle, it is necessary to have an advantage in manpower and equipment at least three times different than you will surround, and most importantly, keep this environment. Until now, the enemy has an advantage in manpower on all fronts. Partial mobilization tightened the gap a little, but that's all.

[Kronos]

But where is Marinka being stormed since March 2022.

[dmi.pris1]

Actually, about a month ago, they talked about the liberation of 90% of this populated punat .. The day before yesterday they talked about fierce battles in the center .. At least they would agree ... So that later there would be no questions

[Egeny]

And what will comrade Apty Aronych say to us about this?

[Terenin]

Quote: Kronos

But where is Marinka being stormed since March 2022.

De facto, according to military terminology, there is not an assault, but a long siege. But it’s not clear, damn it, who is besieging whom?

[Alekseev]

"First Artyomovsk storms ...."
And before that, Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, Popasnaya, etc.
It is a war, and if the enemy does not surrender the cities, they have to be taken by storm.
And as for the assault on Artemovsk and Soledar with the surrounding villages, there was a big battle there, up to 90 battalions of Ukrainians took part. Because of him, the "counterattack" could not start, and the time for the formation of our units was received.
"Some civilians" are suffering: why are assaults needed, you just need to break through the dill front and surround it, like at Stalingrad, or at least like the Korsun-Shevchenko operation.
It does not dawn on them that troops are needed for this, and they, despite partial mobilization, are not yet fully prepared for such cases.
They are forming, the general immediately explained. We need another 15-20 divisions to surround. And to form, equip a modern MSD with equipment is completely "not something," in comparison with the SD of the times of the Second World War.
For information, the number of troops on the Ukrainian fronts at the beginning of 1944 exceeded 2 million 300 thousand soldiers and officers, and we can still hear idiotic remarks about why, they say, they didn’t take the 40000 Kuev group, why did they leave Kuev?
We miscalculated, deciding that the Ukrainians will rise, and Zelya will run away. The West has taken them in hand and supplies them with everything.
Therefore, there will be more assaults, but without breakthroughs and encirclements, that is, a large-scale offensive, the war cannot be won.
There is only one way out: to form our own reserves, and exterminate the Banderlog Viysko. Nothing else is given. When the balance of forces becomes favorable for us, then there will be breakthroughs and encirclements.

[Deon59]

The Ukrainian army at the moment is about 1 million 300 thousand people. At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand, and in the Russian Ministry of Defense about 1 million, the Russian Guard 340 thousand. If the Fabergier of the generals prevents you from fighting, this is very bad

[km-21]

Quote from Deon59

The Ukrainian army at the moment is about 1 million 300 thousand people

It is unlikely. In addition to the size of the army must have training, provision of command staff at all levels, combat coherence and all the necessary material resources. Kyiv and its curators simply do not have any funds to fulfill such conditions.

[Amateur]

"Some civilians" suffer: why do we need assaults, you just need to break through the dill front and surround, as near Stalingrad, or, at least, like the Korsun-Shevchenko operation.
They don't reach that it needs troops, and they, despite partial mobilization, are not yet

Some civilians - who is this? Lieutenant Colonel of the KGB, Senior Lieutenant-Foreman of the Reserve or someone else?
"what troops are needed for this" But what, the non-standard army general Gerasimov, army general Salyukov, army general Bortnikov, the "secret" general from the UR General Staff of the Moscow Region (former GRU) did not know about this when they proposed / agreed to start the NWO?

Nothing to blame on the mirror
If the face is crooked
(Folk wisdom)

[Horon]

At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand

At the beginning of its dill army ranged from 600 to 800 thousand people. These are all armed units, including volunteer battalions. After the start of the war, terbats were formed and during the first two months the number grew from 1,2 million to 1,3 million. It will be possible to find out the real numbers much later, since many units are not included in the composition of the Armed Forces, as well as a very complex system for accounting for losses. So about 200 thousand APU, this is from the realm of fantasy. Initially, from 300 to 400 thousand troops were used from the Russian side, now, together with mobilizers, from 500 to 650 thousand, taking into account the rotation, there are no more than 300 thousand in the database zone.

[helicop-man]

Have you counted the half of those who left for fertilizer?

[Havoc]

Quote from Deon59

The Ukrainian army at the moment is about 1 million 300 thousand people. At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand, and in the Russian Ministry of Defense about 1 million, the Russian Guard 340 thousand. If the Fabergier of the generals prevents you from fighting, this is very bad

But it didn’t occur to the generals that they were still aware of the likelihood of a big war, if not completely with NATO, then with the eastern wing of this organization, and it doesn’t cost anything for the Americans to drag Poland into the conflict like others. Europe put everything on this conflict, its industry, its well-being. But the Americans, as always, are in chocolate. The new Marshall Plan will allow the United States again to delay its collapse by 80 years.

[Grits]

Quote: Alekseev

When the balance of forces becomes favorable for us, then there will be breakthroughs and encirclements.

will not be. Because our leadership is afraid to mobilize. And the bet on contractors is clearly a failure, they will never fulfill the plan lowered from above. If 300 thousand mobilized people were hardly recruited, then recruiting 400 thousand volunteers is not realistic at all.

[Plate]

Quote: Gritsa

Because our leadership is afraid to mobilize.

Well, he does the right thing. Mobilization is not a good thing. Than mobilize 400 people, you can send them to factories to rivet shells and barrels, so that you can stupidly demolish everything in front of you to hell without any assaults and encirclements. They just came and finished off those who miraculously survived under the ruins. Or you can not even finish off, but simply pour napalm on the ruins. That's how to go through Ukraine and leave behind a completely bare scorched earth. So the loss in people will be minimal, and military mobilization is not needed. It is only necessary to establish the industry, yes. Alas, this is difficult.

[spektr9]

will not be. Because our leadership is afraid to mobilize.

They are getting ready, but for some reason they don’t want to mobilize conscripts and cheers-“patriots” like you, but category B ... After all, you still need urashechki to call everyone from the sofas under arms and yell about the inadmissibility of strikes on the cities of Ukraine and the use of tactical nuclear weapons

The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation said that diabetes and cardiovascular diseases will not be included in the list of diseases that exempt citizens called up as part of partial mobilization from military service. Interfax reports with reference to Alexander Sergoventsev, Deputy Head of the Main Military Medical Directorate of the Ministry of Defense.

“If we introduce diabetes into it, we will have to introduce hypertension into it. We will introduce hypertension, we will introduce coronary disease. So we will reach the point where we will not have a single soldier left, because everyone has chronic diseases. There is a government decree, let's implement it together, - the agency quotes Sergoventsev's speech at a meeting of the coordinating council of commissioners for human rights.

[USIKPA]

Maybe with an assault then wait until there are no reserves for the environment? Don't you feel sorry for people?

[YanniKounnar]

Si les rapports des victimes de chaque coté est vrai pour Bakmut:
50000 morts Ukrainians
17000 morts Wagner + 5000 morts armée Russes.
Soit un rapport de 2.27 morts Ukrainiens pour 1 mort Russe...cela ne pourra pas durée éternellement.

If reports of casualties on both sides are correct for Buckmouth: 50 Ukrainian dead 000 Wagner dead + 17000 Russian army dead. This ratio of 5000 deaths of Ukrainians to 2,27 death of Russians... This cannot last forever.

[Lev_Russia]

"First we storm Artemovsk for 9 months, then Marinka probably the same amount, then another settlement. So ad infinitum"
How would you like...??? White flag, capitulation, red carpet and bread and salt in Kyiv...??? Ukrainians are the same Slavs as we are and for them, in essence, this is a "patriotic" war, even if it is fueled by the Nazi slogan ... By the way, how long did the battle for Stalingrad last ... ??? And the blockade of Leningrad ... ??? In 1941, the population of the USSR was about 197 million people. Whereas the population of Germany in the same year was only about 90 million people. And how long did the war last...??? Yes, and now we are at war not with Ukraine, but with a coalition of 52 states ... If you want faster, well, sign up as a volunteer, otherwise everyone fancies himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the outside "...

[Deon59]

And who is talking about surrender. The army is maintained by the people, so why does the army not perform the main task of protecting Russia. And where does Stalingrad. I am 60 years old and I am a former military man. I don’t need to tell fairy tales about how they farted there and then it smelled. Why aren't you in the trenches?

[Terenin]

Quote: Lev_Russia

How would you like...??? White flag, capitulation, red carpet and bread and salt in Kyiv...???

Quote from Deon59

I don’t need to tell fairy tales about how they farted there and then it smelled. Why aren't you in the trenches?

Here, colleagues, something similar is happening now between the Wagners, the Ministry of Defense and the Akhmatovites.

[Arzoo]

Until the end of the year they will take this Maryinka. By the way, the landscapes there are simply the most epic in the entire Donbas. Haven't seen this anywhere. There are no buildings left, only the foundations are standing.

[Mol_18]

I just remember not long ago, Marinka was just a little bit left, we broke through the defense of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and in a week we control Marinka by 60%

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Throughout the year, there are peppy reports of military correspondents “almost”, “a little bit left”, “a little more”, “we already control by 70%” in the Maryinka area.

[Carlos Hall]

Chechens and the regular Russian army are advancing on Marinka. He will soon fall like Bakhmut.

[Konnick]

Chechens and the regular Russian army are advancing on Marinka. He will soon fall like Bakhmut.

I doubt. At first, the shelled guards of the NM of the DPR, there were heavy losses. Then they brought in the Marines and the 155th division, the same thing. There is no way we can organize a counter-battery fight there, and the Akhmat special forces have no artillery. They only acted well in the commercials of military officer Severyanov, when they jumped out into an open place in a clean uniform and fired from the belly from a machine gun, without receiving a sniper's bullet in response. They were nicknamed troops on the Tik-Tok network and Prigozhin’s words will soon receive either confirmation or Maryinka will be taken soon. Two places near Donetsk are Marinka and Avdeevka, with well-organized artillery defenses, where machine guns play no role, since there are no shooting battles. Therefore, starting with Basurin, they write, then 3 quarters, then half, then 80%, then 70%. Both the Maryinka direction and Avdeevskoe are potential directions for the offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in order to take Donetsk.

[Grits]

Quote: Konnick

I doubt. At first, the shelled guards of the NM of the DPR, there were heavy losses. Then they brought in the Marines and the 155th division, the same thing.

If such a task had been assigned to one of the commanders of the Second World War, then he would have solved this task in a few days. Even with the same means, everything could be done - with several dozen Katyushas and artillery to demolish everything to hell, burying the remnants of the enemy under the rubble and then calmly go through and clean it up. Well, unfortunately, we don’t have WWII level commanders now. Only weakness and stupidity.

[Konnick]

If such a task had been assigned to one of the commanders of the Second World War, then he would have solved this task in a few days. Even with the same means, everything could be done - with several dozen Katyushas and artillery to demolish everything to hell, burying the remnants of the enemy under the rubble and then calmly go through and clean it up. Well, unfortunately, we don’t have WWII level commanders now. Only weakness and stupidity.

Read on the net a letter to Stalin by Colonel Tolkonyuk about the events of the winter-spring of 44 on the Western Front. There they could not successfully conduct a counter-battery fight with the artillery of the Center group and what were the losses during our several offensives.

And in Maryinka there is already a lunar landscape.

There are no targets for artillery, and the artillery of the Armed Forces of Ukraine maneuvers 10-15 km from Maryinka. The photo shows the center of Maryinka, and the destruction from Ukrainian artillery. And until we use massed aviation both against the Center group, we will be under artillery and mortar fire as a "gritsa" - they say.

[Captain Pushkin]

Quote: Konnick

Two places near Donetsk, these are Marinka and Avdeevka, with well-organized artillery defense,

It is necessary to start a serious assault on these fortified areas with the destruction of artillery and tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. Purposeful operation, provided with means of reconnaissance and destruction.
So far, unfortunately, we have not heard about it.

[Nikolaevich I]

Hmmm...! And what kind of NSP a couple of months ago they took 90%? (Hint: it's not Bakhmut!)

[Leshak]

Really positive news, but still oh how far from complete victory. These are only local successes, and strategic ones have already been waiting for. Nevertheless, good luck to the fighters, and as during the Great Patriotic War: "Crush the Nazi reptile."

[Kronos]

Where did you see success? In this locality, fighting back and forth has been going on for the second year.

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Kronos

Where did you see success? In this locality, fighting back and forth has been going on for the second year.

"Today we will redo everything, but nothing will be left for tomorrow" (Girls)

[Semovente7534]

To relieve pressure on Donetsk, you should first take the city of Zaporozhye, and then divide your forces into 2 directions, one for Dnepropetrovsk and the other for the capture of Pavlograd, but I think that this will never happen.

[solar]

The Russian Armed Forces advanced in Marinka and took control of the next five quarters

How many blocks are there in this Marinka? What kind of metropolis is this?

[Michael]

History in a spiral!
Consider the First World War. Let's remember how WWI ended.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Let Maryinka become the same grave for the Ukronazis as Mariupol and Artyomovsk.

[Il'nur]

Where are his red lines???

Basically you're right, but it's rude...

[hellcos]

In winter, Maryinka was already 80 or 90% liberated, according to Pushilin's statements, so I perceive the news as "it's good at least we don't retreat"

[tarakan]

Quote from Deon59

The Ukrainian army at the moment is about 1 million 300 thousand people. At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand, and in the Russian Ministry of Defense about 1 million, the Russian Guard 340 thousand. If the Fabergier of the generals prevents you from fighting, this is very bad

Do you propose to expose all directions and throw the entire army into Ukraine?

[Terenin]

Quote: tarakan

Quote from Deon59

The Ukrainian army at the moment is about 1 million 300 thousand people. At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand, and in the Russian Ministry of Defense about 1 million, the Russian Guard 340 thousand. If the Fabergier of the generals prevents you from fighting, this is very bad

Do you propose to expose all directions and throw the entire army into Ukraine?

Well, another option is to leave everything as it is and calmly watch how our citizens are being killed.

[Igor Tarakanov]

I have a reasonable question why dill fiercely fight for each settlement, and we calmly give the city without a fight?

[Kronos]

For them, this is a defensive war and their land, that's all.

[Terenin]

Quote: Kronos

it's defensive war

That's right, they are with us. are fightingand we are with them are working those. we're just doing the surgery.

[Ghost1]

It seemed to me that this was a village, but on TV somehow in the news from there they called it a city.

[mad-max78]

In this article they write that Marinka is 70% free, here is an article on the same site https://topwar.ru/206838-vrio-glavy-dnr-zajavil-chto-marinka-osvobozhdena-uzhe-na-80-procentov.html where on December 15, 2022 they write that Maryinka is 80% liberated, I have a question in which article is a lie, dated December 15, 2022 about the liberation of 80% of the territory of Maryinka or in today's article where they write that 70% have been liberated

[Uno]

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December 15 2022 - The head of the DPR said that Maryinka has already been liberated by 80 percent
March 24, 2023- The head of the DPR: In Marinka, one site must be taken and the city will be completely liberated
April 28, 2023 - The commander of the Russian Armed Forces unit: the Russian army is left to occupy a few blocks before the complete liberation of Maryinka
Today, 12:23 - Assault detachments of the Russian Armed Forces advanced in Maryinka and took control of the next five quarters

[Il'nur]

another five blocks

I don’t understand why they take cities, storm fortified areas within the city, when you can bypass this city, surround it, and wait until the Armed Forces of Ukraine have enough provisions and surrender themselves ...

[Plate]

Surrounding it is still difficult and risky. I wouldn't surround either if I wasn't completely sure that I could. But it is possible to demolish the entire city, and then burn out everyone who remained in ruins. You don't even need to surround it.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Plate

Surrounding it is still difficult and risky ..

Recall Hannibal at the Battle of Cannae, August 2, 216 BC.during the Second Punic War...
Since then, each environment led to Victory in the Battle, but not always to Victory in the War (remember the same Hannibal ...)

Quote: Plate

. I wouldn't surround myself either if I wasn't completely sure that I could..

What for environment there are not enough forces and means - this is a question for the Ministry of Defense (of any country)

Quote: Plate

. But it is possible to demolish the entire city, and then burn out everyone who remained in ruins. You don't even need to surround it.

In fact, first surround, and then comes into play siege artillery - as an example, the Germans at the beginning of WWI - at first the Germans surrounded the Fortress, the enemy hid in the casemates of the fortress, and the Germans sipped siege artillery and destroyed the fortress.

[Plate]

Why surround if modern long-range MLRS are capable of hitting 100 kilometers? Bombs from the UMPC are also famous for 70 kilometers, they say, they can plan. Although, of course, I would like to just throw dozens of tons of cast iron at them with the Tu-95 and Tu-160, but alas, there is air defense on the other side (that's what needs to be fought, and not with the fortifications of the Ukrainian infantry). I think the environment is not a prerequisite for the total demolition of the city. Yes, the Americans demolished the same Dresden even in World War II, although their troops were not even close there.

Quote: cat Rusich

The fact that there are not enough forces and means for the environment is a question for the Ministry of Defense (of any country)

So I meant that if I were the leadership of the country, I would not be engaged in encirclements in the current conditions. Less risk. And then, if the troops fall into the Ukrainian cauldron, they will have to report to the population, answer a bunch of uncomfortable questions, and watch unpleasant footage with them. Although ... I would be afraid to carry out the autumn mobilization. For a long time and stubbornly, I would have maneuvered contract troops, either occupying territories or leaving them, if I suddenly felt that the defense would cost many people. Aviation and missiles must be actively used.
Don't take this as advice from the couch. Just an interesting mental exercise: "What would I try to do in their place and what price would I have to pay for it."

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Plate

Although ... I would be afraid to carry out the autumn mobilization. For a long time and stubbornly, I would have maneuvered contract troops, either occupying territories or leaving them, if I suddenly felt that the defense would cost many people. .

"Potato War" = War of the Bavarian Succession 1778...
In 1777 the king of Bavaria died, and the Wittelsbach dynasty came to an end. Austria claimed its rights to Lower Bavaria and the Upper Palatinate, the Emperor of Austria Joseph 2 agreed "for good" with the Elector of the Palatinate Karl Theodor - to exchange Bavaria for the Austrian Netherlands.
Prussia objected - and in 1778 a "war" began - in this war, the Prussian army entered Bohemia - the opponents did not fight each other - everyone moved, trying to occupy lands with potatoes, which they ate, and the remaining crops were trampled down so that the enemy would not get it ... after a year of such a "war", they ate all the potatoes in the district - and decided that in 1779 the war should not be continued - to sign a "peace treaty".

[Plate]

- You're finished! There will be no potatoes!
- You won't have potatoes! You're finished!

[kill the fascist]

Wagner is resting, it was the turn of the others to destroy the banedrlogs.

[Terenin]

soldiers of the 150th division, the 5th brigade and the Akhmat special forces managed to advance in the western part of Maryinka and take another five blocks.

Come on Akhmat, make yourself a "Name" like Wagner

[VladimirNET]

Quote from Deon59

At the beginning of the SVO, the Armed Forces of Ukraine served 200 thousand,
and in the Russian Ministry of Defense about 1 million

The number of "served" and the number in the operation are DIFFERENT numbers. It was the lack of soldiers that led to the retreat of the Russian Federation from different areas: due to mistakes in the RF Ministry of Defense (specifically: Gerasimov).

I have the impression that this is just some kind of slacker (who drove off to the tank biathlon when the Ukraine was advancing).
Shoigu is a nominal figure who also needs to be removed: for the duration of the war, and even more so after.

By the way, Prigozhin and Strelkov are of the same opinion:
we DO NOT NEED Gerasimov, we NEED a second Zhukov.
By the way, Zhukov (1941-45) - came PERSONALLY to the front, which cannot be said about Gerasimov ...

The last video of Strelkov and Gubarev (according to CBO):
02.06.2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY8IHXZHAJ4

[Christophe_Nicolas]

Ce n'est pas une pression pour avancer mais une pression pour repérer et détruire les moyens militaires importants sans franchir les limites des régions qui veulent quitter Kiev. Ça oblige à avancer un peu, forçant l'ennemi à résister pour mieux le sursaturer avec le feu. Kiev montre au monde entier sa volonté de nuire à la population du Donbass depuis 2014 en attaquant. La guerre de mouvement sans effet de surprise n'est efficace qu'avec une grande asymétrie des moyens pour minimiser les pertes ce qui n'est apparemment pas le souci de Kiev.
Dans une guerre moderne, les pertes doivent être limitées pour que le soutien de la société civile ne s'assèche pas et pour ne pas tomber dans une dictature qui censure l'information.
Kiev a beaucoup de pertes donc Kiev censure or que se passera t-il lorsque la vérité deviendra evidente ? Les tyrannies sont faibles car elles mentent à leur propre peuple qui les haïsse pour ça, ce n'est pas tant une question d'élection que de ne pas prendre son peuple pour des idiots. "Le mensonge prend l'ascenseur là où la vérité prend l'escalier" dit-on chez nous. Kiev a le cancer, il suffit d'être patient et toutes les régions qui en auront marre de Kiev rejoindront la Russie d'elles mêmes. Il suffit alors de les protéger et l'opération spéciale progressera jusqu'à ce que Kiev capitule en reconnaissant le droit aux régions de ne pas se soumettre à leurs idées révolutionnaires qui cachent la main de l'occident. A ce moment, Kiev s'effondrera et les Ukrainiens qui veulent rester avec l'occident seront exploités par les multinationales pour rembourser la dette de guerre laissée par Zelensky donc autant dire qu'ils seront esclaves car l'occident ne donne jamais rien gratuitement. .. à eux de choisir.
Patience, les USA sont une société du spectacle, c'est "the show must go on", et la bonne tactique est de ne pas leur offrir ce plaisir pour qu'ils se lassent. Sobriété, patiente, pugnacité, efficacité, 0% spectacle, 100% realisme car la guerre reste très destructrice à cause de la puissance des armes modernes.
La guerre ne peut être justifiée que par une intention de justice après une sérieuse bonne volonté pour l'éviter pour trouver grâce aux yeux de Dieu or le coup d'état de 2014 avec ses assassinats provoqués, la ségrégation anti-russe puis la guerre civile avec l'intention de Kiev d'asservir militairement le Donbass justifient l'opération spéciale et toute conquête doit rester dans le cadre de libérer les peuples russophones des griffes de nos dirigeants occidentaux dont la côte d'amour ressemble à la navette Columbia. Pour l'instant, ils tournent en orbite avec des tuiles de protection qui se détachent et on attend avec suspens leur rentrée atmosphérique... :)

[VladimirNET]

Quote: VladimirNET

Zhukov (1941-45) - came PERSONALLY to the front, which cannot be said about Gerasimov

Is it really FORCED to work:
05.06.2023
https://rusvesna.su/news/1685917758
{
Chief of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation Gerasimov during this period was at one of the forward control points in this direction.
}

But the question is not only in defense, but when:
1) let's recruit ENOUGH people - for this war.
2) we will advance - with an advantage in people and equipment.

As Strelkov said: with the capture (at least one) - the regional center or a large city.
And this is apparently possible - only after the _elimination_ from the leadership of the Russian Federation: the 5th column of traitors who are there (the source of this fact is Sivkov).

[VladimirNET]

Quote: VladimirNET

And this is apparently possible - only after _elimination_ from the leadership of the Russian Federation:
5th Traitor Column

Source:
https://rutube.ru/video/0060a28f21f20948e495b0a5d8f2f2db/

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