British edition: European-trained military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are forced to undergo retraining after returning to Ukraine

The Ukrainian military trained according to NATO standards have to be retrained, the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who arrived after training in Europe are retrained. The Guardian writes about it.

The British edition refers to the Ukrainian military, previously trained in the UK. As it turned out, NATO military instructors who train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not give them the amount of knowledge necessary for conducting combat operations. The thing is that the American and European military have no experience of war against regular troops, all the latest military clashes were with militants of the same Taliban level * (a terrorist organization banned in Russia).

Allegedly, NATO military instructors provide only basic knowledge, teaching the Ukrainian military the basics of military affairs. In the same UK, the Vushniks learn to shoot, provide medical assistance, build fortifications, storm buildings, etc. But they are not taught to resist the regular army, so when they arrive in Ukraine, they undergo retraining, where they are trained by Ukrainian soldiers who already have combat experience.

They have experience, but we are talking about fighting the Taliban, and this is different from fighting the regular army. Therefore, our soldiers have to retrain here

- said one of the Ukrainian military.

Everything would be fine, but the training of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in European countries is by no means free, the training of one fighter costs 10-20 thousand dollars, depending on the specialty. So far, Europe and the United States are paying for this, but these funds are being credited to Ukraine's account, and the West will present this account for payment soon.

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[dmi.pris1]

Yeah, perepodootovkv .. It all consists in leaving for the front, and there, how lucky

[saigon]

And you know that until you stay on the front end, all the preparation is purely a theory of the foundation.
Well, science is already at the forefront and it will be all and fast.
I don’t know how it is with Vsuk, only in the trenches they probably train new ones.

[Shurik70]

So far, Europe and the USA are paying for this, but these funds are being credited to the account of Ukraine, and soon the West will present this account for payment.

The only way out for Ukrainians to get rid of bondage for thousands of years is to declare the regime of Zelensky (and Poroshenko at the same time) fascist, imposed from the outside, all debts are invalid.
Well, and (quite in the Ukrainian tradition) to demand compensation from the West for those killed, for interference in internal affairs.

[Simple]

Quote: Shurik70

The only way out for Ukrainians to get rid of bondage for thousands of years is to declare the regime of Zelensky (and Poroshenko at the same time) fascist, imposed from the outside, all debts are invalid.

After WWII, the resistance movement in Spain really hoped for a coalition led by the United States and Great Britain that now the coalition would take on the fascist Franco regime, at the risk of their lives they collected evidence and dossiers about the cooperation of the Franco regime with Nazi Germany both during WWII and after , providing asylum to "former" Nazis, arranging them for government positions, laundering money from "Nazi gold and art", creating "rat trails" to Argentina to the Peron fascist regime.
The data collection of the facts was sponsored by the USA and the UK.
But after a couple of years, the establishment of the United States and Great Britain decided that the main enemy was communism in the USSR and its spread to other countries, the suppression of which the United States and Great Britain declared the most important task for themselves - more important than the fight against the fascist dictatorships left after WWII.
The collected information on the discrediting of the regimes of Franco and Peron was shelved. Now the regimes of Franco and Peron have become allies of the US and England in the fight against the spread of communism - now the former informants, who were patronized by the US and England, themselves have become the object of hunting.

[isv000]

Quote: Shurik70

The only way out for Ukrainians to get rid of bondage for thousands of years is to declare the regime of Zelensky (and Poroshenko at the same time) fascist, imposed from the outside, all debts are invalid.

A request from the regions to join the Russian Federation will solve all problems. Debts of Ukraine? No, you haven't heard...

[Lynx2000]

Quote: saigon

And you know that until you stay on the front end, all the preparation is purely a theory of the foundation.
Well, science is already at the forefront and it will be all and fast.
I don’t know how it is with Vsuk, only in the trenches they probably train new ones.

Regarding practice on the line of contact in close combat and quick training, I agree. However, training in combat tactics, handling weapons, the ability to provide first aid - develops reflexes, thanks to which you handle weapons, choose a shooting position already on the machine, with little hesitation. In the trenches, the replenishment that arrived, even the "old men" trained in training, still teach, explain ...

[Mavrikiy]

They have experience, but we are talking about fighting the Taliban, and this is different from fighting the regular army. Therefore, our soldiers have to retrain here

"Here you are not a plain. Here the climate is different ...." Now the bombing, then the shelling, and the toilet .... All by myself.

[mikh-korsakov]

Well, yes, throughout Europe at 10.00 coffee break. But near Avdeevka - this is unlikely. But the accustomed stomach demands, and here the Russians with their shelling. Collision...

[isv000]

Quote: saigon

And you know that until you stay on the front end, all the preparation is purely a theory of the foundation.

It is not for nothing that real masters of their craft begin their appeal to their wards with the words: forget everything that you have been taught...

[guild]

They mastered the main money .. The Eastern Front here is not computer shooters for you, they kill from all types of weapons there

[Reptiloid]

.... no experience of war against regular troops ....

Certainly! Only against the natives or against the civilian population ---- destroy a wedding there or a funeral procession from an airplane. schools, hospitals too

[Aken]

Why are we surprised? They are taught punitive actions against civilians.

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote from Aken

Why are we surprised? They are taught punitive actions against civilians.

Judging by the way the Chewbaks behave against the civilian population, the training was not in vain.

[Aken]

The British understand this topic. Hundreds of years of training and practice.

[Boniface]

So and previously written in the comments on our website
"Well, what kind of teachers are Lithuanians, Estonians, Poles, and even the British - those countries who have not won a single war, only participating in raids in Afghanistan and Syria - where there is no resistance from the regular army"
What can such warriors teach the Armed Forces of Ukraine???

[Aken]

The Poles and the British did not win a single war? Are you delusional?

[rocket757]

The British edition refers to the Ukrainian military, previously trained in the UK. As it turned out, NATO military instructors who train the military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine do not give them the amount of knowledge necessary for conducting combat operations. The thing is that the American and European military have no experience of war against regular troops.

. What they said / wrote about more than once, not twice, now it comes to them ... all training according to NATO standards is similar to the NVP.
However, this is also possible and necessary ... and superimposed on the obstinacy, frostbite of the former ... in general, the enemy is difficult, this should be realized.

[Reptiloid]

Quote: rocket757

.... in general, the enemy is heavy, this should be realized.

They didn’t have time to master something, but propaganda according to the tsarist model + anger and hatred activate them.
Greetings Victor!

[Bingo]

Twyum, they finally realized that they hadn’t fought with the army for a long time! Half a century later, they will admit that the United States, in principle, has never waged a single war - they don’t even know what a warring country is, when it’s about the very existence of a state, bombs don’t fall across the ocean, but in your garden, and war concerns every family, so snot about saving some Ryan doesn’t even cause laughter, but Lavrov’s phrase. They really think that it was the United States that defeated Hitler, when only 3% of families, according to their data, are with servicemen who fought in WWII. And we have a pancake in every family, both grandfathers, well, now rather all 4 great-grandfathers - fought, who died, who survived, but the rarest case that both grandfathers did not fight is simply the rarest ... And in the USA - 97%
And they are there in the USA, in all seriousness, some recommendations, they come up with strategies, knowing about wars from books, moreover, written by frogs, for whom defeat in the war did not mean extermination in the camps, but the fact that price tags were written in two languages ​​on croissants, and All.
And they will somehow condemn the Donbass, which they promised "first the gallows, then the schools"

[lukash66]

Quote from Bingo

Twyum, they finally realized that they hadn’t fought with the army for a long time! Half a century later, they will admit that the United States, in principle, has never waged a single war - they don’t even know what a warring country is, when it’s about the very existence of a state, bombs don’t fall across the ocean, but in your garden, and war concerns every family, so snot about saving some Ryan doesn’t even cause laughter, but Lavrov’s phrase. They really think that it was the United States that defeated Hitler, when only 3% of families, according to their data, are with servicemen who fought in WWII. And we have a pancake in every family, both grandfathers, well, now rather all 4 great-grandfathers - fought, who died, who survived, but the rarest case that both grandfathers did not fight is simply the rarest ... And in the USA - 97%
And they are there in the USA, in all seriousness, some recommendations, they come up with strategies, knowing about wars from books, moreover, written by frogs, for whom defeat in the war did not mean extermination in the camps, but the fact that price tags were written in two languages ​​on croissants, and All.
And they will somehow condemn the Donbass, which they promised "first the gallows, then the schools"

No, well, as if there were attempts to make war. I don't remember Korea and Vietnam. Japan is also a separate song. But with the nemchura, they fought a little and washed themselves with blood. Wherever you go, there is only one zradushka around, starting from the landing. Not counting the two elite TDs - the GU and the Training Tank, and a pair of TTB SS, the rest of the German troops are a collection of ersatz infantry, security, stationary and all kinds of different police units. Practically without equipment, artillery, on horseback and on foot. And then they swallowed. And as soon as the Germans gathered a little strength in the Ardennes, these miraculous heroes immediately ran, only their heels sparkled.

[lukash66]

It’s purely interesting, if the Nemchura had thrown into Normandy everything that they had collected near Kursk, how many days would they have drowned them in the English Channel? Yes, I also forgot about aviation and the navy in the previous post, complete dominance in the air and at sea.

[your1970]

Quote from: lukash66

It’s purely interesting, if the Nemchura had thrown into Normandy everything that they had collected near Kursk, how many days would they have drowned them in the English Channel?

1/3 of the strength and 3 days would be enough. They would have stuck them anyway - if the cloudiness would have lasted another week

[sabakina]

- Bill. I'll teach you how to enter the room.
- Mikola. What about fighting?
- Bill. You will teach this yourself.

[Uncle lee]

Bill: Throw a grenade and then come in.
Mykola: That grenade is gone!
Bill: Then move on by!

[billy bones]

"He has the wrong grenades."

"White Sun of the Desert".

[Enceladus]

They don't have grenades - even rails of a different width

[kill the fascist]

Bloomers are generally right. The impudent Saxons have no experience of war with an enemy of equal strength. Only anti-partisan operations with a total advantage in air, firepower, mobility, etc. The wars with Saddam were a long time ago and it is difficult to call the Iraqi troops equal in strength. Banderogei themselves can teach teachers a lot. And ours, after the assaults on Mariupol, Artemovsk, Soledar, I think, are the best in the assault on cities.

[Enceladus]

Eat lard and drink vodka, after foie gras caviar and borjomi? Or did you lose all your skills during the return? Even after 17 years with SVDU from 600 meters, I’ll hit the growth without a miss

[rotmistr60]

military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine who arrived after training in Europe undergo retraining.

And now a simple question - is it worth spending money on transporting to Europe, maintaining and training Ukrainian military personnel if they receive practically nothing useful for conducting real hostilities? But how much noise: we have trained 10 soldiers, and we have 000. It is obvious that the countries receiving and conducting training have a good profit from this.

[spirit]

I don’t understand why everyone is happy here? As if they are preparing better now? The same base is at best in the trench, you will finish your studies there. then that one should already have a system of mentoring and training new arrivals according to a well-established scheme

[solar]

I don’t understand why everyone is happy here? As if they cook better here now?

And it would seem that everyone should have remembered the story of the conflict between the mobilized Leshkov (actually a volunteer) and the colonel due to the fact that instead of combat training they were marching along the parade ground.

Leshkov was not sent a summons because he did not do military service. On October 3, the man himself signed up as a volunteer and went to a military unit on the territory of the Taman Division, which later moved to the Patriot center. At the end of October, he fell ill, but refused treatment due to the promised assignment to the war zone. The dispatch was delayed, and the dissatisfaction of the soldiers grew: they were given low-quality equipment that did not fit, and almost no one was involved in their training.

As a result, the volunteer who demanded at least some kind of training first received 5,5 years, then they threw it up to 7. The rest fell silent on this topic, although there were a lot of people dissatisfied with the "training".

[Strannik96]

Because he was not in the yard, but on the parade ground, you can disagree with the order, but would he do this if he was somewhere in a special department? Or would he be alone, and surrounded by officers? Discipline - the basics, not only in the army, but also at work

[isv000]

Everything would be fine, but the training of military personnel of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in European countries is by no means free, the training of one fighter costs 10-20 thousand dollars, depending on the specialty. So far, Europe and the United States are paying for this, but these funds are being credited to Ukraine's account, and the West will present this account for payment soon.

Ears from a dead donkey! There is no extradition from Dnipro! What a demand from a dead man ...

[Beck69]

Having received an initial course in England, the sharovaries return home, where they continue their self-education in the trenches, who survived that professor.