In Kramatorsk, the Ukrainian army creates concrete fortifications and firing points in the image of those previously created in Mariupol and Artyomovsk

Information appeared on the network that the Ukrainian command is considering the likely option of a Russian offensive against the Slavic-Kramatorsk agglomeration. Despite the continuing ridiculous statements from the Deputy Head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, Anna Malyar, that “the southwestern outskirts of Bakhmut are under Ukrainian control,” in reality, the command of the Armed Forces of Ukraine expects that control may be lost even northwest of Bakhmut (Artemivsk).

Having pressed against the Russian defenses on the flanks after some advance, the Ukrainian troops found themselves in a dead end. They suffered losses in manpower and equipment, in a number of sectors they were thrown back.

On the presented frames, you can see how the Ukrainian military built fortifications and firing points right on the streets of Kramatorsk. These are polygonal concrete structures with small loopholes. They are located in the southern and eastern parts of the city.

Such constructions can be observed along several Kramatorsk streets, as well as on the Railway Station Square. In some cases, there are two such "towers" in one area.

All this is reminiscent of similar preparations of Ukrainian troops before the battles for Mariupol and Artyomovsk. Then the Armed Forces of Ukraine also put up concrete fortifications on the streets, then they switched to digging trenches right along the sidewalks. However, in the end, as you know, these fortifications did not help the troops of the Kyiv regime in any way.

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[Ilya-spb]

Let them create. Our troops will take them.

Or ... bypass. And let them sit and starve.

[Kuziming]

It is advisable to bypass.
Let them sit.

[Shurik70]

I don `t understand.
Are they depicting "dot"?
Such a large target in the middle of the street - even with artillery, even with an RPG, even with a Lancet, is destroyed with one hit.
And you will not run away from there, along the open street, to the shelter under fire.
Are they going to plant suicide bombers there?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Shurik70

Are they going to plant suicide bombers there?

Ukrainians, with a large set of drug-containing drugs.

[kromer]

Quote: Shurik70

I don `t understand.
Are they depicting "dot"?
Such a large target in the middle of the street - even with artillery, even with an RPG, even with a Lancet, is destroyed with one hit.
And you will not run away from there, along the open street, to the shelter under fire.
Are they going to plant suicide bombers there?

From the looks of it, there is no toilet.

[aglet]

"Looks like there is no toilet"
this building itself is very similar to the toilet

[Plate]

Quote: Shurik70

even a Lancet

Interestingly, can you put all sorts of thermobaric warheads on Lancets? If yes, then this is the death of absolutely any dot, moreover, without any danger to the side opposite to the owner of the dot.

[Santa Fe]

I don `t understand.
Are they depicting "dot"?

Shurik70 volunteer to go to the NWO and you will understand everything

The Russian army uses the same protected firing points, for example, as in the photo (Kherson, October)

[aglet]

"The Russian army uses the same protected firing points, for example, as in the photo (Kherson, October)"
Well, it didn't help Kherson either. but the degree of mind of military commanders shows very clearly. but then there is the hit of one projectile anywhere, causing the defeat of several "fortresses". And there are no toilets either.
for me, the loopholes are located a little high, and too large. and entrance doors are hospitably located on the enemy side. and these are definitely "fortified firing points", and not street toilets?

[Bully]

Our troops will take them

Who are you going to take? Wagner after Artemovsk has almost an army corps of irretrievable losses. If frontal assaults continue to be practiced, it is possible to remain without ground forces

[Santa Fe]

Wagner after Artemovsk has almost an army corps of irretrievable losses

No need to lie and sow panic

Died in less than a year in car accidents

[Bully]

No need to lie and sow panic

Well, you have to back up the assertion with arguments.
According to Prigozhin's (official) loss of Wagner in Artemovsk, only the dead - 20 thousand. However, irrevocable, these are not only the dead. For every one killed, there are about three wounded. Suppose that out of three, one is light, one is medium, and one is heavy. It turns out that there are as many heavy as dead. And if the lungs and medium ones return to duty, then with the heavy ones everything is more difficult - long-term treatment in the hospital and subsequent rehabilitation are required. So 40 thousand irrevocable is a very real figure.
So do not whistle, you are our truthful

[Santa Fe]

Well, you have to back up the assertion with arguments.

No arguments needed

[aglet]

"Dies in less than a year in car accidents" Well, yes, of course. only Prigozhin had to go twice into the hot spring, and once to the Urals, to organize cemeteries only for the Wagner. were not placed at the places of residence

[aglet]

"Our troops will take them. Or... bypass them."
get around - Zarathustra does not allow. it's normal heroes always go around. ours - only on the forehead, only on the forehead

[nickname7]

it's normal heroes always go around

According to your Armed Forces of Ukraine, they specially prepared safe corridors strewn with flowers to Kyiv, but the Ministry of Defense does not want to use the corridors?

[aglet]

"does the MO not want to use the corridors?"
free, it can’t, the status doesn’t allow, after all, the second army of the world!. but they cannot find it. here is a stick in the forehead

[Horon]

All this is reminiscent of similar preparations of Ukrainian troops before the battles for Mariupol and Artyomovsk. Then the Armed Forces of Ukraine also put up concrete fortifications on the streets, then they switched to digging trenches right along the sidewalks. However, in the end, as you know, these fortifications did not help the troops of the Kyiv regime in any way.

How did it not help? Therefore, it took so much effort and time to capture these settlements.

[topol717]

This birdhouse is nothing.
1 shot from RPG-7

[dmi.pris1]

That's right. I understand if they built a pillbox. And not one. And so? As a distraction, for lure.

[Graz]

This birdhouse is nothing.
1 shot from RPG-7

there will be nothing on the concrete wall from the RPG-7, only a through hole of a centimeter and a half to two in diameter and that's it., the maximum that there will be no luck for those who will be on the move of the cumulative jet. rpg video on youtube

[Santa Fe]

and it took so much effort and time

The result is. Artemovsk liberated

The rest of your chatter is irrelevant.

[Leshak]

Who would doubt that they would build fortifications of this or that plan. They have time, from each settlement, to create a "fortification". Which then the Russian fighters heroically take.

[Gardamir]

We must wait. When they get stronger, go squeeze.

[Russian_Ninja]

You know, such phrases not only do not inspire optimism, but frighten to the point of horror.
Since when is it more profitable to take fortified areas than to advance without enemy resistance?

[Cicerist98]

@Russian_Ninja: I think he was being sarcastic there...

[aglet]

"Since when is it more profitable to take fortified areas than to advance without enemy resistance?"
it depends what the benefit is. and for whom. but nothing just happens. someone is benefiting

[orionvitt]

One shot from a tank or grenade launcher and that's it. This is not a pillbox with meter-long reinforced concrete walls, but some kind of shed.

[petrol cutter]

And, you all counted on bread / salt or something ?!.
When will this bullshit end?!

[RuAbel]

It is hard to imagine that anyone in their right mind would climb into this coffin.
My version is "Nezlamnost's Outhouse".
And God save us and the General Staff from the second Bakhmut!

[novel66]

An appeal to God is appropriate, to the General Staff - no
Ttttttttt

[Aken]

Is there anyone else out there who is sane?

[Santa Fe]

It is hard to imagine that anyone in their right mind would climb into this coffin.

The idea of ​​​​such protective structures dill stole from our army

Protective structures in New Kakhovka

[aglet]

"Dill defenses were stolen from our army"
this is definitely a "protective structure", and not a bus stop, for example?

[Ivan F]

"However, in the end, as you know, these fortifications did not help the troops of the Kyiv regime in any way." - Yes, but that's not good enough. How many of our guys laid down their lives because of such "architectural objects", about which they also said - "nothing special" and were given time to build them.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Ivan F

"However, in the end, as you know, these fortifications did not help the troops of the Kyiv regime in any way." - Yes, but that's not good enough. How many of our guys laid down their lives because of such "architectural objects", about which they also said - "nothing special" and were given time to build them.

I will say an "obvious" thought for VO readers -
"The fortified area must be bypassed from the flanks, surrounded - taken by IZOMOR".
Maybe someone from the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense will read ...?

[Practitioner23354df]

Minus you, probably, someone from the General Staff of the Moscow Region delivered.

[RED_ICE]

And the Wagner was laid down by about 20 thousand fighters storming Bakhmut. So it's not only MO

[aglet]

"The fortified area must be bypassed from the flanks, encircled - taken by starvation."
Maybe someone from the General Staff of the Russian Ministry of Defense will read ...?
this does not prevent the handsome man from knowing. since August 2022, he’s been pounding his forehead in bakhmut, a stranger, though

[nickname7]

I will say an "obvious" thought for VO readers -
"The fortified area must be bypassed from the flanks, encircled - taken by starvation."

The Armed Forces of Ukraine are not fools, unlike you, they mine the approaches of the flanks, put gouges and shoot. The purpose of the fortifications is to cover the flanks, and while you take the flanks, the armored vehicles will start to be blown up by mines, at that moment the attacks from the self-propelled guns crab and himars will begin and your attempt to bypass will end without starting.

[aglet]

"How many of our guys laid down their lives because of such "architectural objects", about which they also said - "nothing special" and gave time to build them."
and who sent them head-on to these "fortifications"? oh yes, there were no shells! but you have to attack. and Prigozhin said, "we could have 5 times less losses." but it was very necessary. that's how it turned out

[RED_ICE]

Previously, we used to set up such people at the outposts, only half-buried. SPS-2, SPS-3 were called

[Stepan]

We had such people at traffic police posts, then they removed them.

[Tochilka]

What's stopping you from digging into this conspicuous structure? At least where it can be dug in (without communications below).
Or will they fight from the roofs and upper floors as usual?

[Arkady007]

There is an assumption that no one will take anything soon.
It all comes down to a big deal on unexpected terms.

[Al manah]

Somehow reminded:

"The avenue flows into another square. Actually, this is not quite a square - just on the right there is a semicircular square, behind which a long building with a concave facade lined with fake columns turns yellow. The facade is yellow, and the bushes in the square are some kind of sluggish yellow, as if on the eve autumn, and therefore I do not immediately notice another “glass” in the middle of the square.
This time it's intact and shiny as new, as if it had just been installed here this morning among the yellow bushes. - a cylinder two meters high and a meter in diameter, made of a translucent, amber-like material. It stands perfectly upright, and its oval door is tightly closed...
On board, Vanderhouse has a flash of enthusiasm, and Shchekn once again demonstrates his indifference and even contempt for all these subjects “not interesting to his people”: he immediately begins to itch, turning his back to the “glass”. I walk around the glass, then place two fingers on the ledge on the oval door and peek inside. One glance is enough for me - filling the entire volume of the “glass” with its monstrous jointed mosses, putting out half-meter spiked claws in front of it, the giant shell-spider from Pandora in all its glory looked at me dully and gloomily with two rows of muddy green walleyes.

The Strugatskys had a shell-spider in their "glass", but it seems to me that he was prettier than the Banderlokhs, who will sit in the "glasses" of the clown.

[Kelwin]

Wonderful shelter) A few short ones in the window, the rest will be completed by ricochets. Khokhlomikser)

[aglet]

"However, in the end, as you know, these fortifications did not help the troops of the Kyiv regime in any way"
they can't do anything to help. one hit from a projectile, or a bumblebee, or a burst from the CPV will turn this fortification into a pile of concrete debris. if you get there, of course

[nickname7]

they can't do anything to help. one projectile hit

Another "genius of tactics" aiguillette came out of no connection. Concrete fortifications are needed to gain time before the reserves arrive, and secondly, in addition to the fortifications, there will also be calculations with ATGMs and stingers on the roofs of houses.

[aglet]

"Concrete fortifications are needed to buy time before the reserves arrive"
here I don’t argue with you - concrete fortifications are needed. but reinforcement, not this concrete misunderstanding. and about roofs, will you see a lot from the roofs of houses in the city, except for the same roofs? and stingers against whom? aviation will definitely not be there

[terms]

They prepare good, reliable crypts for their soldiers)