Prigozhin said that the "conflict" between "Wagner" and the command of "Akhmat" was settled

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Prigozhin said that the "conflict" between "Wagner" and the command of "Akhmat" was settled

Yevgeny Prigozhin, curator of Wagner PMC, answered questions from the editors of the Nakanune publication regarding the “conflict” with the leadership of Chechnya and the command of the Akhmat special forces in an audio recording format. He also touched upon a number of other important topics, including criticism of the RF Ministry of Defense and the situation in the Belgorod Region.

The reason for the public squabble between the “Wagnerites” and some high-ranking representatives of the Chechen Republic, in which the head of Chechnya, by the way, did not participate, was Prigozhin’s alleged criticism of the Akhmat fighters of their combat capability after the actual replacement of the “musicians” in the Donetsk direction by Chechen fighters . The parties expressed many claims to each other and on other issues. The discussion in raised tones, during which it came almost to calls for a “showdown” between PMCs and Akhmat, was repeatedly covered in the media, it makes no sense to replicate it.



Here's what Prigogine said in response to editorial questions "On the Eve".

The Wagner curator began by saying that after a telephone conversation with the head of Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov, the conflict can be considered settled, all this history should be put on the brakes. He went on to explain the essence of the problem that caused controversy in the public space.

Prigozhin called the statements addressed to him provocative, in the style of the nineties, when conflicts were resolved on the so-called "shooters". According to him, this cannot be allowed, because any conflicts on ethnic grounds in Russia are extinguished for a very long time. It all started with the fact that the command of the Akhmat special forces was dissatisfied with Prigozhin’s comment about the ability of Chechen fighters to completely liberate the DPR. Then the businessman was reminded of his repeated criticism of the high command of the RF Ministry of Defense.

I criticize the Minister of Defense and the Chief of the General Staff because they do not fulfill their duties. We were not given shells, which led to the death of a large number of fighters. We will continue to deal with this

Prigogine said.

Further, he accused the command of the RF Armed Forces of surrendering the territories of the Kherson and Kharkov regions liberated last year, calling them primordially Russian lands, where civilians, including children, are now dying. Even worse, Ukrainian nationalists are already killing our citizens in the Belgorod region. According to him, Prigozhin intends to continue criticizing the Russian generals if the mistakes are not taken into account and corrected.

Continuing the theme of the conflict, the curator of the PMC said that a direct clash between Wagner and Akhmat could not be allowed, because this would lead to great bloodshed. At the same time, statements addressed to him by representatives of the top military and political leadership of Chechnya, the answers of the Wagner commanders, according to Prigozhin, "caused a strong reaction in society."

In fact, Pandora's box has already been opened, but we did not open it

Prigozhin stated, calling Kadyrov's decision to call him on the same day and thereby extinguish the dangerous confrontation between the two Russian paramilitary structures very wise.

To date, the conflict has been settled, and we discussed everything with Ramzan (Kadyrov) by phone

the businessman concluded.

All this time, the commander of the special forces "Akhmat" Apty Alaudinov, who is in the combat zone, repeatedly called up the commanders of the "Wagner", discussing how to prevent an open clash between two paramilitary structures designed to solve one common task of expelling the enemy from the territory of Russia, Prigozhin emphasized. .

Answering the question whether PMC fighters are ready to come to the Belgorod region to protect its inhabitants, Prigozhin said that everything would depend on the actions of the Ministry of Defense. According to the curator of Wagner, if the seizure of Russian territory is not stopped, then Wagner will come to the Belgorod region and “protect the Russian people who live there,” regardless of their nationality.

We will come without an invitation and without asking permission, the only thing we will require is ammunition

Prigogine promised.
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  1. +19
    3 June 2023 18: 02
    Well and good.
    .........................
    1. -16
      3 June 2023 19: 07
      Well and good.
      It's true. Very accessible about the essence of the conflict.
      There could be no contradictions between the fighters of Wagner and Akhmat.
      It's all about Prigogine's filthy language.
      1. NW
        +15
        3 June 2023 19: 31
        The Caucasian mentality is imprisoned under the pyramid of power. Prigogine began to shake the (military) pyramid. Of course, it is fraught. And only allowed in extreme cases. But Prigozhin is so talkative that it is no longer clear where the extreme case is and where it is not. Nevertheless, Garasimov swallowed his "grandfather". There was no attack on the Chechens, but there was light trolling - like, "I don't know what they are doing," to which they reasonably suggested that the "blogger" meet and find out. Additional filters "for the bazaar" would definitely not interfere with Prigogine, but someone should stir up the sleepy MO.
        1. +10
          3 June 2023 19: 36
          Quote from N.W.
          The Caucasian mentality is imprisoned under the pyramid of power. Prigogine began to shake the (military) pyramid. Of course, it is fraught. And only allowed in extreme cases. But Prigozhin is so talkative that it is no longer clear where the extreme case is and where it is not. Nevertheless, Garasimov swallowed his "grandfather". There was no attack on the Chechens, but there was light trolling - like, "I don't know what they are doing," to which they reasonably suggested that the "blogger" meet and find out. Additional filters "for the bazaar" would definitely not interfere with Prigogine, but someone should stir up the sleepy MO.


          Well, the Chechens are unlikely to take out a meeting with Wagner. Actually, definitely not. So it’s better for them that everyone slacked off
          1. -8
            3 June 2023 20: 23
            Well, the Chechens are unlikely to take out a meeting with Wagner
            This meeting will never happen!
            Because they do one thing.
            But personally for Prigozhin and those who stand behind him (and these are oligarchs - mostly Jews), I think this will backfire.
            1. +1
              4 June 2023 05: 45
              I don’t want to seem tactless, but, guys, stop chewing snot, you are not at the forefront, but from the sofa, of course, everything is more visible and understandable.)
              But what do you say to that? June 3 ... however, Prigozhin is not there, and Apta Aronych is writing videos.

              blue dots - Ukrainians, red - our answer, black - long-suffering Avdiivka and Maryinka
              1. -3
                4 June 2023 09: 45
                "blue dots are Ukrainians, red dots are our answer, black dots are the long-suffering Avdiivka and Marinka"
                Well? what has changed in a year?
                1. 0
                  4 June 2023 12: 34
                  Axl, there are a lot more blue dots... Can't you see?
                  And they are no longer embarrassed to strike in the Belgorod region, insolently, but there is almost no response.
        2. +11
          3 June 2023 20: 16
          Prigogine began to shake the (military) pyramid.

          But it seems to me that he began to build a new pyramid next to the staggering old one.
        3. -12
          3 June 2023 20: 20
          Nevertheless, Garasimov swallowed his "grandfather"
          There was an ambiguity in "grandfather" and was clearly not addressed to Gerasimov. So it's off target
          Nevertheless, Garasimov swallowed his "grandfather"

          There was no collision with the Chechens, but there was light trolling - like
          Yep, light trolling. Listen carefully to Alaudinov.
          And another important detail, yesterday in our closed chats I specifically asked a question to all junior commanders, who immediately brought it to the attention of the fighters, if someone wants, he can go to other military formations. Everyone answered unequivocally no, moreover, in obscene form, naturally characteristic of PMC "Wagner".

          Here it is important whether this is true or again the filthy language of the cook?
          And this despite the fact that the Chechens spoke extremely respectfully and complimentary about the fighters Wagner and Prigogine.
          ---
          But this is only one side of the issue, and the other is that PMC Wagner (through Prigozhin) promised to merge from the position on May 10, risking the collapse of the front.
          but someone has to stir up the sleepy MO.
          They are already being teased.
          Additional filters "for the bazaar" Prigozhin would definitely not interfere
          They will not help him, since Prigozhin is not an independent entity, he is following the directives of the pro-Western oligarchs, whose goal is to raise a rebellion in Russia.
          1. +6
            3 June 2023 20: 40
            Quote: flicker
            Prigozhin is not an independent entity, he fulfills the directives of the pro-Western oligarchs, whose goal is to raise a rebellion in Russia.

            Doubtful.
            But passages like:
            We will come without an invitation and without asking permission, the only thing we will require is ammunition
            unguarded.
            1. -19
              3 June 2023 20: 59
              Doubtful.

              And what is the threat to merge from positions in Bakhmut on May 10?
              This, if anything, is a COLLAPSE OF THE FRONT.
              And what kind of reaction could this collapse of the front cause in Russia?
              At a minimum, the destruction of the Russian Defense Ministry, and then urgent measures to replace it and restore at least some controllability.
              After this, they could only survive thanks to a miracle and huge losses, well, or the use of nuclear weapons.
              ---
              Well, Kadyrov stopped this scenario.
              That is why Prigozhin (who had long been trying to win Kadyrov over to his side) attacked Akhmat.
              1. +3
                4 June 2023 11: 02
                Quote: flicker
                And what is the threat to merge from positions in Bakhmut on May 10?

                Kindergarten, by God... do you know under what conditions PMCs are involved in this conflict? If the conditions of their participation were violated by the other party, then what? )))
                1. -4
                  4 June 2023 12: 19
                  by God ... do you know on what conditions PMCs are involved in this conflict?
                  Well, it looks like you know. Enlighten.
                  You can not? Then what conditions are you talking about?
                  ---
                  What the
                  Kindergarten
                  the conditions are violated (and are they violated?) - you can merge from the position and COLLAPSE THE FRONT.
                  If we take and evaluate the consequences of two events:
                  1 - taking Soledar
                  2 - collapse of the front

                  then these events do not go to any comparison!

                  The consequences of the collapse of the front are much worse than the value from the prospect after the capture of Soledar.

                  Success for a penny, and damage for a ruble.

                  And Kadyrov, with his willingness to take Wagner's positions, stopped a possible collapse of the front and
                  not allowed to depreciate numerous losses of Wagner in the Bakhmut direction.
          2. +8
            3 June 2023 21: 50
            he fulfills the directives of the pro-Western oligarchs
            He is guaranteed a life sentence in the West.
            1. -12
              3 June 2023 22: 59
              He does not reach the west.

              He squandered the money of the oligarchs who financed the Wagner PMC in order to turn the cook into a super-patriot ("protector of children and pregnant women"), to connect the energy of patriots to him (through the successes (regardless of losses) of the PMC Wagner), and then direct this energy for scrapping the Moscow Region, and then Russia.
              It just turned out to be a "zilch" - he lowered the money, but did not raise a rebellion.
              Now he is trying to arrange an interethnic conflict.
              It's just that nothing will work here.
              After that, the oligarchs will "tear the skin off the unlucky cook", so that he will not have time to run to the "Canadian border".
              1. +5
                4 June 2023 03: 22
                Quote: flicker
                He squandered the money of the oligarchs who financed the PMC Wagner in order to make a super-patriot out of a cook ("protector of children and pregnant women")

                I don't think I messed up and it's doing just fine.
                Quote: flicker
                connect the energy of patriots to it (through the successes (regardless of losses) of PMC Wagner), and then direct this energy

                Any rebellion takes time to mature and the ground for conflict to thrive. He has already switched the attention of the patriots to himself, and the Moscow Region (in the person of its top leadership) makes such anti-advertising for itself that there is simply nothing to spoil karma with.
                Quote: flicker
                direct this energy to scrap the Moscow Region, and then Russia.

                The leadership of the Moscow Region is also coping well with this task, and the events in the Belgorod region, as well as the Kuryansk and Bryansk regions, are witnesses to this. The rating on a five-point system is "unsatisfactory" ... and even lower. Moreover, this applies to the entire set of power structures (border troops, the National Guard, the Moscow Region) and the entire military-political leadership.
                Where is the Ministry of Emergency Situations?? Where is the National Guard??? Why are volunteers and simply self-organized citizens involved in evacuation? Why hasn't a state of war or at least a state of emergency been declared in the border areas? For this, from whom to rip off the skins?
                Quote: flicker
                It just turned out to be a "zilch" - he lowered the money, but did not raise a rebellion.

                It's all just ahead, it was just a prelude. That's when it collapses ... not even the front - there is no front, the border in the Belgorod region, when it is no longer scattered units, but enemy formations invade the Bryansk region ... then the conditions for the "Ideal Storm" will develop ... and the conditions for it is by no means only Prigozhin who will put it down with the money of the oligarchs ... It seems that he, together with Shoiga, is playing a game in two hands ... and "grandfather" (Gerasimov) turns the notes over.
                Quote: flicker
                Now he is trying to arrange an interethnic conflict.
                It's just that nothing will work here.

                Nothing is yet known with the end of the conflict (although it is definitely not needed). And interethnic we have now how much it is warming up. The police and the Russian Guard began to pinch migrants ... unrest / indignation began. And how many labor and non-labor migrants do we have? How many are illegal? To what extent did they corrupt the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB, the Migration Service? And what will happen if someone stirs up these millions of foreign material?
                But someone intensively imported them for many years, created all the conditions for migration, granted citizenship ... And Russians from neighboring countries had to go through 7 circles of Hell in order to obtain citizenship ... What do you think THESE injustices and THIS multi-million dollar mine in Russian cities , not a reason and not material for "international conflicts". And who will extinguish these conflicts?
                Quote: flicker
                It's just that nothing will work here.

                Who knows ... the mine was not laid in vain.
                Quote: flicker
                After that, the oligarchs will "tear off the skin from the unlucky cook",

                I'm afraid that the "cook" will just protect and ensure the inviolability of the private property of these very oligarchs.
                Despite the fact that these oligarchs of the very first spill ... so to speak, "Chubais's chicks."
                I think that everything can turn out like this (if the game goes in two hands), that the Ministry of Defense is now seriously screwing up in the Belgorod region, the "Savior" comes, takes the authority to form an army of 200 bayonets (as he requested even before Bakhmut) and the budget under it forms, builds the front ... But now he will already have an army not of 000-30 thousand (corps), but 50 thousand (two full-blooded combined arms armies). And it will be HIS - a private army.
                And this will be met with "national rejoicing" about the appearance of the "army of the Savior" ... Then everything will sparkle with completely new, unexpected and intricate colors.
                1. -2
                  4 June 2023 12: 38
                  bayard
                  Today, 03: 22

                  Thanks for the comment. Yes, in general, I agree with your position, as well as with most of your comments (those that I read), I see disagreements only on Prigogine.

                  And therefore a simple question: who is Prigogine by nationality?

                  This question is simple, but it is directly related to ongoing events, which means it clarifies a lot of things.
                  1. 0
                    4 June 2023 13: 49
                    Quote: flicker
                    And therefore a simple question: who is Prigogine by nationality?

                    And is it a secret?
                    It belongs to the ancient biblical people.
                    But we have a "multinational and multi-confessional state", and the term "Russians" is an adjective (whose?).
                    Remember the joke about the meeting between Zorin and Kisinger?
                    - Comrade Zorin, are you a Jew?
                    - No, I'm Russian.
                    - Ah, well, then I'm American.
                    Therefore, we have all "dear Russians" - "Russians".
                    1. -1
                      4 June 2023 15: 52
                      And is it a secret?
                      It belongs to the ancient biblical people.

                      I’ll make a reservation right away, I fully admit that Jews can be patriots of Russia (I doubt it about Prigogine)
                      ---
                      We all observe the conflict between, on the one hand, Prigozhin (meaning Wagner), and on the other hand Shoigu and Gerasimov (meaning MO).
                      But this conflict is not personal, but between two systems (and these systems are NOT Wagner and MO).
                      Whose interests does Prigozhin defend? What system is it a part of?

                      To do this, look at his biography. And of interest is his restaurant rise (in the 90s in St. Petersburg - the "criminal capital of Russia") - from nowhere to the owner of a chain of restaurants, including ELITE.
                      In the 90s, "crime" owned many restaurants, but the city's ELITE did not visit these restaurants.
                      And I visited Prigozhin's restaurant, which means that behind Prigozhin's success was not crime, but the elite. Moreover, only the corresponding elite could support Prigogine - the Jewish one, which was built into so many state institutions.
                      So Prigogine became part of a powerful ethnic system.
                      As soon as you become a part of the SYSTEM, you immediately receive the necessary power of this SYSTEM. The more powerful the SYSTEM, the greater the power of support.
                      But, in return, you will do what this SYSTEM requires of you.
                      If you let the SYSTEM down, it will crush you.
                      Conclusion: Prigogine is not an independent subject - it means he will do what this SYSTEM tells him.
                      When Prigozhin attacks the Defense Ministry (in the person of Shoigu and Gerasimov - and by the way, PUTIN approved them for these positions!) This means that the elite Jewish (pro-Western) SYSTEM runs into the SYSTEM, part and core of which is Putin.
                      ---
                      The question is what does each of the SYSTEMS want?
                      More or less accurately, we can talk about the SYSTEM, which includes Putin (and therefore the Moscow Region, the FSB, the Russian Guard) - in fact, she challenged the WEST.
                      Based on this, one can see the direction of the SYSTEM behind Prigogine.
                      Those. one can say about the Prigogine SYSTEM (since it attacks Putin's) that it, on the contrary, shares the values ​​of the West and does not want to quarrel with it. In other words, it is ready to accept the conditions of the West (to merge from the front).
                      In the context of the struggle between these two SYSTEMS, Prigozhin's conflict with the leadership of Akhmat should also be considered. Akhmat is for Putin, and Prigozhin is against (and how the Wagner fighters position themselves in this conflict is an open question).
                      ---
                      Any rebellion takes time to mature and soil to nurture conflict.
                      I absolutely agree.
                      He has already switched the attention of the patriots to himself
                      Is not a fact. Of course, the Prigogine trolls are trying, but in real life their influence is weak.
                      Out of ten people, only 5 have heard of Prigozhin, and 3 of them believe that this is Valeria's husband. And the opinion of these two was divided. With a great deal of conventionality, but this can be extrapolated to our society as a whole.
                      and the Moscow Region (in the person of its top management) makes such anti-advertising for itself that there is simply nothing to spoil karma with.
                      The MO, whatever it is, fights, and much better than the Prigogine trolls write about it.
                      The results are already there: the Armed Forces of Ukraine are still unable to launch their "counterattack" since the Russian Armed Forces successfully stop everything at an early stage.
                      The same can be expected with regard to border shelling. Some kind of fight must take place (both sides are waiting for it), which will solve many questions and problems, including the impact on the conflict of SYSTEMS inside Russia. For example, not the success of the Russian Armed Forces is used in its favor by the SYSTEM behind Prigogine. On the contrary, the success of the Russian Armed Forces, on the contrary, reduces the influence of the opposite SYSTEM.
                      ---
                      And interethnic we have now how much it is warming up
                      There is such a problem. But I think we also have levers of influence on it.
                      I'm afraid that the "cook" will just protect and ensure the inviolability of the private property of these very oligarchs.

                      That is if his SYSTEM wins.
                      By the way, in this case, he will be tempted to crush this SYSTEM for himself.
                      But this system will not win - since Prigozhin made too many mistakes.
                      Too many of his trump cards were exposed ahead of time.
                      And most importantly, he could not close the energy of the patriots to himself, moreover, he turned many patriots against himself, and therefore against his SYSTEM.
                      For chutzpah is not welcome in our people.
                      And before his SYSTEM, he will have to answer - though he has a chance to go over to the side of another SYSTEM and thereby save himself.
                      1. 0
                        5 June 2023 15: 23
                        Quote: flicker
                        Whose interests does Prigozhin defend? What system is it a part of?

                        This system can be conditionally and generically called the Chubais System.
                        Quote: flicker
                        When Prigozhin attacks the Moscow Region (represented by Shoigu and Gerasimov

                        In fact, Ramzan was the first to run into these commanders, although he mainly pressed on the personality of Lapin. But he also mentioned the role of superiors. It was then that Prigogine publicly supported him for the first time.
                        Prigozhinsky's raid on the Moscow Region began later - in the midst of the battles for Bakhmut. But it was noisy, media-covered and resonant.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Akhmat is for Putin, and Prigozhin is against

                        Prigogine is working to split society and decriminalize power. Moreover, it provokes and prepares a civil war if the RF Armed Forces fail, and the power in the Kremlin staggers.
                        Quote: flicker
                        Out of ten people, only 5 have heard of Prigozhin, and 3 of them believe that this is Valeria's husband. And the opinion of these two was divided.

                        And what if the name Prigozhin is replaced by Wagner in the questionnaire?
                        Do not flatter yourself, with his noisy PR and the capture of Soledar and Artemovsk, he made the howl of PMCs very popular among young people. And with any kipish, coup, revolution and civil war, the stake is always placed precisely on the youth. But Wagner is popular not only among young people - the population of the border regions directly turned to Prigozhin to come to their aid and SAVE.
                        Exactly - SAVE. For official power demonstrates incapacity, helplessness, unreason and weakness. In a word - impotence.
                        And it's already starting to become a common meme.
                        Alas, it is.
                        The Kremlin, of course, has different towers, and they have a permanent conflict of interest, but ... tell me what Putin meant when he said goodbye to Borrell when he visited Moscow exactly on the eve of the SVO. What did he mean by "We won't let you down"? And is this connected somehow with the ODDITIES of the now-going NWO? And why are there SO MANY "strange things"?
                        Quote: flicker
                        That is if his SYSTEM wins.

                        And if these are two hands of one system?
                        Or two sides of the same coin?
                        Quote: flicker
                        Prigogine made too many mistakes.

                        He's just acting out the script. All "errors" and conflicts are registered in it.
                        Quote: flicker
                        could not close the energy of the patriots

                        He has already drawn a LOT of attention to himself.
                        And he is not "against", he is part of this very system.
                        But events may not go according to the script, because the director and the author of that script ... he has big problems. Very big .
                        Quote: flicker
                        And before his SYSTEM, he will have to answer - though he has a chance to go over to the side of another SYSTEM and thereby save himself.

                        Its system is in the unified system of power and property of the Russian Federation. If there is consensus in this big system, anything is possible.
                        In the meantime - Strange Military Operation.
          3. -1
            3 June 2023 22: 09
            They are already being teased

            Everyone is well svoroshtlitz last fall, and now, shreds will probably also soon run through the back streets, if Sladkov wrote about tension, the situation near Zaporozhye means there, a very serious and tense situation
            1. 0
              5 June 2023 15: 24
              Before the onset, the situation is always tense.
              And the offensive (his attempts) began.
      2. -11
        3 June 2023 23: 48
        And again, what is the title?
        Prigozhin said that the "conflict" between "Wagner" and the command of "Akhmat" was settled

        Between Wagner and Akhmat's command. Like, between Russians and Chechens.

        Although everything is exactly the opposite:
        Not between Wagner, but between PRIGOGINE and Akhmat.

        That is between the filthy language of Prigozhin and the Akhmat unit.
        1. 0
          4 June 2023 05: 40
          Oh fool-ah! fool
          ZY: The text of your comment is too short and, according to the site administration, does not contain useful information.
          1. -2
            4 June 2023 12: 27
            Oh fool-ah!
            Well, finally the smart one showed up
            Enlighten, shine your mind)
      3. 0
        4 June 2023 18: 52
        How can you? In the VO comments, this name is sacred. It is generally full of adherents of the sect "Prigozhin's Witnesses"
    2. -3
      3 June 2023 19: 13
      Quote: Al Manah
      Well and good.

      Actually!
  2. +20
    3 June 2023 18: 09
    well, it’s good to hammer enemies and not fight among themselves! Prigozhin said that some of the towers of the Kremlin wanted to start all this!
    1. +13
      3 June 2023 18: 58
      Quote: opuonmed
      Prigozhin said that some of the towers of the Kremlin wanted to start all this!


      Perhaps .... although, I think, the close relationship between Kadyrov and Shoigu played a huge role in this story, because. Ramzam often speaks well of this friend in his social networks, but what such friendship is based on is an interesting question ....

      Maybe this is a personal relationship, maybe common interests and deeds, who knows. But the emergence of such a force as PMC Wagner (another power bloc in some way) is clearly not in the interests of these groups.
      1. +6
        3 June 2023 19: 01
        current shas inter-ethnic massacre in the Russian Federation was not enough at such a time! who wanted to start an enemy or who suggested it!
        1. -16
          3 June 2023 21: 19
          current shas interethnic massacre in the Russian Federation was not enough at such a time
          And between what ethnic groups?
          If we think in this context, then we are talking about a conflict between Jews (to whom Prigogine belongs) and Chechens.
          But Prigozhin wants to make this conflict inter-ethnic.
          This cunning creature could not shake Russia through the collapse of the front in Bakhmut (Kadyrov did not give it), then he decided to go from the other side.
          Decided to rock Russia through inter-ethnic conflict - between Chechens and Russians.
          That's just nothing this cunning Jew will succeed.
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      1. +5
        3 June 2023 19: 08
        Quote from Sadam2
        Utkin grappled there, the real head of the PMC showed Allaudinov for two Chechen wars when they were on opposite sides ...


        Utkin and Allaudinov do not have such weight to start this whole story ... by the way, I often hear in the comments that Utkin is behind everything in the Wagner PMC, etc. But on what is such confidence based? As for me, this person is a specialist in military affairs and a good commander, and in this structure he is something like a military unit manager, but Prigogine is the person who has the resources (financial, connections - even in an interview he talks about higher acquaintances who do not agree with his position, etc. + has a very high weight there) + he is very competent in the PR company / work with the media and his ratings are very good to advance somewhere higher, but it’s not a fact that they will give him this do.

        Moreover, such patriots (and he really, judging by the deeds of a patriot) are not particularly liked there.

        But Allaudinov, in his hierarchy, is clearly below Ramzan Kadyrov, and the conflict of interest occurs just one level higher.
        1. +4
          3 June 2023 19: 50
          .. Two not the last Kadyrovites showed Zhenya come to the arrow we will spread ... Zhenya is already over 60 .. Utkin answered him (this is generally his first appearance in public) .. like we are not afraid, we can decide how we decided twice in Chechnya ...
          Vovina is a horror story that they are afraid of the Kadyrovites, everything may not work
          The infantryman is also on the sidelines .. if the movement gets out of control
          1. -10
            3 June 2023 21: 24
            Utkin answered him
            Why did you decide that Utkin answered. Someone wrote in the cart?
            So in tg you can write on behalf of Napoleon.
            In addition, Utkin seems to be already engaged in the restaurant business, he became the general director of Concord Management and Consulting
          2. 0
            4 June 2023 06: 17
            The infantryman is also on the sidelines .. if the movement gets out of control

            It's just PR, no one will ever touch anyone)
      2. +6
        3 June 2023 19: 15
        Many of us can show the Chechens for two wars. But only one who was not there can do it. I also have something to throw at them, but I believe that a bad world is better than a good massacre. If they want to fight for Russia, let them fight. They like it - go ahead. Shamil was also so pacified. And nothing.
      3. -8
        3 June 2023 20: 25
        Utkin grappled there
        What makes you think that that shnyaga in the internet belongs to Utkin?
        On behalf of Utkin, anyone could write, even Prigogine himself.
        This is, firstly, and secondly, Utkin seems to have become the general director of Concord Management and Consulting, that is, in fact, he went into the restaurant business.
        And Prigozhin seems to have become a military expert?! request
        --
        In short, who owns all this writing (Utkin, Lotus, etc.) is another question.
    3. AAK
      0
      3 June 2023 19: 03
      Both Prigozhin and Kadyrov are two completely different, but at the same time strong personalities, one might even say - predators, each of which has its teeth on some of the Kremlin "towers", the Garant is still trying to play the game of "his wolfhounds" from them (prepared earlier for this the role of the National Guard - frankly, did not pull, alas, Zolotov is not Kadyrov or Prigozhin ...), but these people will not let themselves play ...
    4. 0
      3 June 2023 19: 42
      Prigozhin said that some of the towers of the Kremlin wanted to start all this!

      It's clear what a tower! WOODEN! Led by a descendant of Subedei hi
    5. +1
      3 June 2023 20: 01
      Figase, there is a war here, and the warriors, like small children, share the sandbox. .Iosif Vissarionovich in 45 pushed for HEALTHY competition between the commanders of the fronts, but here .. There are no words
      1. -1
        3 June 2023 22: 19
        Figase, there is a war here, and the warriors, like small children, share the sandbox.

        All this activity probably begins because of the imminent elections and the desire to get the biggest pie possible. And the fact that Kadyrov climbed on Prigozhin is not accidental, there are no accidents in such a case. It's just that everything is terribly reminiscent of the beginning of the 20th century. Here Putin himself needs to get in and sort out these squabbles, but in general all these units must be brought under a single command.
  3. +10
    3 June 2023 18: 10
    Thank God reason prevailed. Bandera and their curators would only rub their hands if such a showdown began, they need this. What do you say, well done.
    1. +1
      3 June 2023 19: 18
      Worse. Such showdowns are decided by the blood of the soldiers, since they would have to be extinguished by the army, and there it is one step to the civil one.
  4. +16
    3 June 2023 18: 11
    Some kind of lunatic. Military units argue who is more combat-ready. Nearly missed the arrow. It's like some kind of OPG.
    1. +5
      3 June 2023 18: 22
      Prigozhin was offended by Akhmat when they announced that they would replace Wagner in Artyomovsk. Like they didn’t let Prigogine put the squeeze on MO!
    2. +19
      3 June 2023 18: 23
      Quote: Andrey Moskvin
      It's like some kind of OPG.

      They are. For Russia, they are more dangerous than all Ukraine and the United States combined. In a normal state, there is a single armed forces, only the state has the right to violence. They can argue among themselves only in court. Threatening to use a weapon is a crime. Russia's internal enemies are more dangerous than external ones.
      1. -8
        3 June 2023 19: 42
        In a normal state


        Ooooh, how it stinks with forgotten liberoid slogans))
      2. -4
        3 June 2023 21: 32
        Russia's internal enemies are more dangerous than external ones.
        Yes, it is more dangerous, because it is difficult to detect them.
        True, through Prigozhin it becomes easier to identify them - everyone who supports Prigozhin should be classified as a risk group.
        ---
        By the way, there was such a pimp in history - Trotsky, who also kept yelling like "stop chewing snot", but in the end he got hit on the head with an ice pick.
        Now his tribesman Prigozhin will also receive a campaign ... only with a Wagner sledgehammer on the head.
      3. +1
        4 June 2023 03: 17
        The problem is that our Defense Ministry crap, from the very beginning, and lost trust and respect. But PMCs, on the contrary, gained weight and fame. And then the same thing continues, in the place of truth there are so many lies and no agreements.
    3. +6
      3 June 2023 18: 38
      It's like some kind of OPG.
      This is true. organized paramilitary groups that are not subordinate to the state.
      1. -9
        3 June 2023 18: 43
        Quote: Gardamir
        organized paramilitary groups not controlled by the state

        Hm. Are you sure that in the country, without the knowledge of very competent authorities, it is possible to wait and support such a "legal bandit formation"? The question is rhetorical, you can not answer.

        Wagner is a purely state proxy structure for working abroad with a hedgehog. Prigogine went rogue? Well, so they will replace it, not Berezovsky, tea ... everything is simple. Yes
      2. 0
        3 June 2023 22: 12
        paramilitary groups outside the control of the state.

        Yeah, having combat aircraft with their accompanying infrastructure. laughing
    4. 0
      4 June 2023 18: 57
      As there was a mess in Russia, it remained so. Fuck knows who commands whom and is responsible for what.
  5. +2
    3 June 2023 18: 13
    The day after tomorrow he's freaking out again. This is fine.
  6. +12
    3 June 2023 18: 18
    After reading the sediment is incomprehensible ... The state shared the right to use force and smelled of the Makhnovshchina.
  7. 0
    3 June 2023 18: 19
    The fact that they figured it out and agreed, it's good. Wagner and Akhmat, as I understand it, were sharpened for different purposes. The Private Company (ChK) was conceived (both here and abroad) purely for protection. Calling it a Private Security Company (PSC) is not solid. They called it the military. But it was not intended for conducting assault operations! Otherwise, it would be the Assault Company (CHSK). Wagner's plus is that there are a lot of former military pros. Well, the truth is diluted them a little with prisoners. According to Prigozhin, Wagner has its own tanks, aircraft and satellites. In general, a full-fledged army of a small country. And in general, it can conduct assaults. Akhmat, as I understand it, was created purely for sweeps and has light weapons and lightly armored vehicles. Therefore, Akhmat is not imprisoned for the assault. And theoretically they should not have any conflicts. They have a different line of business.
    1. -23
      3 June 2023 18: 27
      Quote: North Caucasus
      CHSHK

      This is your comment - a complete CSHK. Like everyone else, though. You are not the North Caucasus, you are the North ... damn it, I won’t say who, they will ban it, although it’s not a mat laughing
      1. +2
        3 June 2023 18: 44
        What is wrong with my comment? Can you enlighten?
        1. -17
          3 June 2023 19: 02
          Quote: North Caucasus
          What is wrong with my comment?

          Everything, in short.

          Quote: North Caucasus
          The Private Company (ChK) was conceived (both here and abroad) purely for protection. Calling it a Private Security Company (PSC) is not solid. Called Military

          The world is full of PMCs, which, as profiling, designate security activities for themselves. It's normal practice, you see. wink

          Quote: North Caucasus
          But it was not intended for conducting assault operations.

          How do you know what exactly it was intended for? And the Wagners have such experience (the same Syria, as an example), and continues to develop.

          Quote: North Caucasus
          And theoretically they should not have any conflicts. They have different line of business

          Well, it seems like an adult ... but the level of thought is like that of a preschooler. They have a common habitat. The bank in which they sit, if in a simple way.

          Quote: North Caucasus
          Can you enlighten?

          No. On a free basis - it's useless, but I won't take it on a paid basis. You are untrainable.
    2. +1
      3 June 2023 18: 30
      That's exactly how it was intended, Private Military Company! Unlike private security companies, they operate in regions with an unstable situation, and often in conditions of military conflicts.
      1. +1
        3 June 2023 18: 43
        And not to protect the property of companies in regions with an unstable situation and escort cargo? Nothing was said about the conduct of hostilities. Well, if only to repel the attacks of the bearded ones.
        1. 0
          3 June 2023 19: 08
          What was Wagner guarding in the Central African Republic? Nothing,
          1. 0
            4 June 2023 10: 02
            "was Wagner guarding in the Central African Republic? Nothing"
            do you know for sure? and if so, then he was in the role of a sledgehammer, thanks to which it was found that to protect, without hitting once, with one presence
    3. +10
      3 June 2023 18: 37
      PMC Wagner participated in the storming of many Syrian cities during the war in Syria, where she gained experience. Later, PMC Wagner played a key role in the capture of Popasnaya, Severodonetsk, Soledar, Bakhmut. a thousandth group of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, namely, so many participated from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine for almost 160 months of the battle for Bakhmut, which went from August 10, 1 to May 2022, 20. Do not believe me? Read at least an extremely adequate analysis of Western experts regarding the battle for Bakhmut .The bloodiest and largest battle in the 2023st century.

      Russia's huge advantage in artillery suggests that the Armed Forces of Ukraine will suffer horrendous losses, and this is true, as we hear from numerous sources at the front. Then, of course, there was the shocking statement in February by a former US Marine in Bakhmut that life expectancy on the front lines is only four hours. All this is ancillary to a more important point. A huge number of units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine that passed through Bakhmut totaled about 160 people. Assuming a loss rate between 000 and 25% (roughly on par with the Wagner burnout), it is clear that Ukraine's losses were extraordinary. I believe that the total irretrievable losses of Ukraine in Bakhmut amounted to approximately 30 people, with an error of +/- 45.
      Thus, my current working casualty estimates for the Battle of Bakhmut are around 45 for Ukraine, 000 for Wagner, and 17 for other Russian troops.


      An Australian Army veteran volunteering in Ukraine gave a very interesting interview in which he downplayed Wagner losses and instead emphasized that "Ukraine is taking too many casualties" - he later adds that the 24th Brigade suffered 80% of the losses in Bakhmut. He also notes that Wagner favors infiltration teams and small units - the exact opposite of massive human waves.

      https://dzen.ru/a/ZHrpAJm_3yEyqqcx




      These are absolutely huge losses (37 brigades, 2 regiments and 18 separate battalions (plus irregular formations such as the Georgian Legion), which indicate obvious serious losses (by the way, the pro-Ukrainian military deployment map on the MilitaryLand website allows for the same titanic deployment of Ukrainian forces in Bakhmut). However, this does not allow us to accurately estimate losses, mainly because the Ukrainian order of battle (ORBAT) is a little confused. Ukraine often distributes units below the brigade level (for example, their artillery brigades are never deployed as such), and they have a bad habit of cannibalizing units.

      If we make very rough estimates, then a minimum reduction of only 37 brigades could easily lead Ukraine to losses in excess of 25 people, but there are a number of shaky assumptions here. Firstly, it is assumed that Ukraine withdraws its brigades when they reach the level of combat ineffective losses (000% here would be a conditional number), which is not necessarily true - there is a precedent when the Armed Forces of Ukraine leave troops on the spot to die, especially from lower quality units, such as territorial defense. In fact, an Australian volunteer (interviewed below) claimed that the 15th Mechanized Brigade suffered 24% casualties at Bakhmut, so it is possible that many of these brigades were expended beyond task inefficiency levels (i.e., they were not properly rotated), but instead were completely destroyed. For example, a recent article in The New Yorker interviewed the survivors of a battalion that had been nearly wiped out. On another occasion, a retired Marine Colonel said that units on the front line typically suffer 80% casualties.

      We can say a few things for sure. First, Ukraine had an extremely high casualty rate, which forced it to use almost a third of its total personnel. Secondly, we know that at least some of these formations remained at the front until they were destroyed. Finally, we can definitely say that pro-Ukrainian sources are wrong (or perhaps lying) when they say that the defense at Bakhmut was carried out to buy time for Ukraine to build up forces in the rear. We know this, firstly, because Bakhmut insatiably drew in additional units, and secondly, because a large number of Ukrainian leading and veteran forces participated in this crucible, including about a dozen assault, airborne and armored brigades.

      However, there is another problem with the approach to losses, and it concerns Wagner. You see, one of our goals here is to try and get an idea of ​​comparative loss rates, and Bakhmut is simply not a representative example here. This is due to the fact that the battle was fought mainly from the Russian side by the Wagner group, which is a huge formation with an opaque internal structure.

      While on the Ukrainian side we can list a long list of formations that fought at Bakhmut, on the Russian side we will simply list the 50-strong Wagner Group.
      1. +2
        3 June 2023 18: 52
        Thanks for the info! But when Wagner was created, no one stuttered about conducting assault operations! No military operations, purely security and escort! We are not US mercenaries! After all, it was presented in the beginning just like that.
        1. +2
          3 June 2023 19: 03
          Wagner was created in 2014-2015 under Syria.
    4. +2
      3 June 2023 18: 55
      Quote: North Caucasus
      The fact that they figured it out and agreed, it's good. Wagner and Akhmat, as I understand it, were sharpened for different purposes. The Private Company (ChK) was conceived (both here and abroad) purely for protection. Calling it a Private Security Company (PSC) is not solid. They called it the military. But it was not intended for conducting assault operations! Otherwise, it would be the Assault Company (CHSK). Wagner's plus is that there are a lot of former military pros. Well, the truth is diluted them a little with prisoners. According to Prigozhin, Wagner has its own tanks, aircraft and satellites. In general, a full-fledged army of a small country. And in general, it can conduct assaults. Akhmat, as I understand it, was created purely for sweeps and has light weapons and lightly armored vehicles. Therefore, Akhmat is not imprisoned for the assault. And theoretically they should not have any conflicts. They have a different line of business.


      I absolutely agree, Akhmat is rather a military police. Functions like BB in the past. But Prigogine did not take into account the Caucasian temper in his statements, hence the conflict. I think Kadyrov is right, such things cannot be taken out into the public space.
  8. +20
    3 June 2023 18: 23
    All this time, the commander of the special forces "Akhmat" Apty Alaudinov, who is in the combat zone, repeatedly called up the commanders of the "Wagner", discussing how to prevent an open clash between two paramilitary structures designed to solve one common task of expelling the enemy from the territory of Russia, Prigozhin emphasized. .

    I'm just sick of what's happening.
    Prigozhin rinses the MO in the media space as he wants. Shoigu is silent as he took water in his mouth. Then - a misunderstanding between Akhmat and Wagner, and it comes to a real threat that the detachments can clash with each other (!). Showdown, moreover, really on the slang of the 90s. How is that at all? And again Shoigu is silent. The issue is resolved by a conversation between Prigozhin and Kadyrov...
    Return of the 90s at the level of state PMCs?
    1. +6
      3 June 2023 18: 28
      The law has been turned into paper. PMCs are criminals under the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, "Ahmad" is not clear to whom they obey. These showdowns are the strongest blow to the statehood of Russia, which cannot be inflicted by an external enemy.
      1. +4
        3 June 2023 18: 48
        Akhmat obeys in the same way as the rest of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, for this is what they are. Only in their authority is Kadyrov. Like in Wagner Prigogine. And if something happens... what
        There's going to be a big bang
    2. -19
      3 June 2023 18: 34
      Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
      Return of the 90s at the level of state PMCs?

      I think everything is easier. It is very reminiscent of the proverb about the cows and the dog. Prigogine is now, whatever one may say, removed from real affairs, and what he is trying to "get" with words - see above about the proverb.
    3. 0
      3 June 2023 18: 35
      Or maybe a different question? Wagner and Akhmat see ways for the speedy liberation of the historical territory of Russia, and Shoigu, like a clumsy elephant, does not know what to do. And if we compare the effectiveness of the leadership of Wagner and Akhmat with the Ministry of Defense, then the Ministry of Defense may turn out to be far from being a leader in terms of conducting combat operations. One regrouping of the MO has already dragged on for how long!
      1. -2
        3 June 2023 18: 52
        Wagner and Akhmat can't possibly see more than MO. They simply simply do not have access to such data. If only they think so. For example, I am also an "awesome" strategist
        1. +4
          3 June 2023 18: 57
          I agree about data access. But at the expense of seeing the situation, they can have their own view based on their vision. Just like every visitor to VO has his own vision of what is happening. Although no one knows the whole picture of what is happening. hi
    4. -3
      4 June 2023 10: 11
      Shoigu only benefits from such a conflict. For neither Prigogine nor Kadyrov put him in a penny.
  9. +4
    3 June 2023 18: 25
    In terms of the degree of cetification and publicity, Prigogine overtook all the others combined.
    1. -3
      3 June 2023 23: 20
      In terms of the degree of cetification and publicity, Prigogine overtook all the others combined.
      Of course. Whole factories of trolls work for him.
      Internet Research Agency (eng. Internet Research Agency, also indicated in the press and other sources "Prigozhin's trolls”, “Olginsky trolls”, ) is a Russian structure headquartered in St. Petersburg, engaged in disinformation, the formation of public opinion, in particular by discrediting the Russian opposition. The agency uses fake accounts in major social networks and online publications, on forums and video hosting sites to promote the interests of the customer,

      They have "fake accounts" rushing from one social network to another, leaving complimentary comments about Prigogine.
      I think they are here on VO up to and more.
      Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin will head the board of trustees of the Patriot media group, which contains information resources, control over which has always been attributed to the St. Petersburg businessman. This is the Federal News Agency (FAN), "People's News", publications "Economy Today" and "Politics Today". This is reported by Open Media.

      Plus, he is readily quoted and supported by the media belonging to our oligarchs (especially Jews), Ukrainian publics, our former compatriots from Israel, etc., etc.
      ---
      Prigogine is a completely inflated product of the Internet.
      Some of his photos with a machine gun are worth something. Like, warrior bully
  10. +9
    3 June 2023 18: 27
    Prigozhin is right about something - Akhmat is far from being an assault unit, unlike Wagner, if only because they do not have heavy weapons - tanks, artillery, MLRS, aviation. "Akhmat" is closer to the internal troops, so they cannot fulfill the tasks of "Wagner". Both of these "organizations", whatever one may say, are private armies. And the fact that "misunderstandings" arose between them is bad. And all this is due to the fact that the "blogger's father-in-law" is not able to organize general leadership and interaction. Well, it's not his. And the sooner it is removed, the better for the country.
  11. +7
    3 June 2023 18: 29
    In general, the raid of the commanders of tik-tok troops on PMCs looks very strange.
    It looks like someone is inciting them to Prigozhin
    Here is Prigozhin's latest statement. This turns into a serious confrontation.

    As for provocations. As of today, there are no provocations against us from the side of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, however, it should be noted that surprises were waiting for us from the other side. Shortly before our departure, we detected suspicious activity along our route. As part of the discovery of this suspicious activity, we called law enforcement and began to investigate our exit routes along the roads. We found about a dozen places where various explosive devices were placed, ranging from hundreds of anti-tank mines to tons of plastid - a charge from the so-called "Serpent Gorynych". All this was under control, while we carried out investigative actions, again together with law enforcement agencies, in order to document everything
    .

    Those who planted these charges were representatives of the Ministry of Defense. When asked why you did it, they point their fingers up. Questions are not yet answered. These charges did not need to be stacked in order to contain the enemy, since it is located in the rear zone. Therefore, it can be assumed that they wanted to meet the advancing units of the Wagner PMC with these charges, although we do not walk in columns.
    As a matter of fact, that's it.


    So, one conflict is extinguished, another lights up. Someone is playing with fire
    1. -5
      3 June 2023 18: 55
      Akhmat - special forces. They may well storm buildings. This is not an open field with trenches and embrasures. This is what they were taught
      1. +3
        3 June 2023 19: 05
        To storm the buildings in which the regular army has settled, covered by heavy weapons - I don’t think that this is the task of Akhmat. To storm buildings with entrenched terrorists, to clear buildings after assault units - yes.
  12. -3
    3 June 2023 18: 29
    When reading an article, the soundtrack from Santa Barbara should play in the background.
    1. Aag
      +1
      4 June 2023 07: 19
      Quote from Huggie
      When reading an article, the soundtrack from Santa Barbara should play in the background.

      After such "graters" between two military formations with an incomprehensible status, representing whose interests it is not clear, "Swan Lake" may not sound on the central channels. (((
  13. +1
    3 June 2023 18: 30
    Well done Prigogine! Answered multiple times and concisely to everything!
  14. -3
    3 June 2023 18: 35
    I have no doubt that Wagner will restore order in the border areas. The question is where is the FSB of the Ministry of Internal Affairs and others when Ukrainian ub-dki come in. You watch criminal news as FSB officers in bulletproof vests and helmets with machine guns twist the arms of sleeping crooks in shorts, but something is not visible against armed fighters.
    1. -2
      3 June 2023 18: 59
      I mean where? Just the FSB near Belgorod repulsed the attack, and not only they
      1. +4
        3 June 2023 19: 09
        Just the FSB near Belgorod repulsed the attack, and not only they

        What FSB, there General Lapin drove his hands
        1. +2
          3 June 2023 21: 02
          This is at the first break. Then everything was more organized.
          . - As a result of the active actions of the cover units of the State Border of the Western Military District and the FSB of Russia, the terrorist formations of the Kyiv regime, having suffered significant losses, were driven back. Violations of the state border are not allowed.
          Konashenkov.

          It was also added that the defense units are participating. When they managed to create - I don't know request
  15. +9
    3 June 2023 18: 37
    I already wrote earlier that Prigozhin did not say anything bad about Kadyrov's special forces in an interview. Kadyrov, by the way, did not succumb to provocations. It is necessary to figure out from whose suggestion the journalists tried to inflate a scandal in the active army from Prigozhin's interview.
    1. +4
      3 June 2023 19: 01
      It is the journalists who inflate him. They asked this one, they asked that one, they illuminated everything, embellished it a little and voila. They don't give a damn about the country. They just want a sensation
  16. +18
    3 June 2023 18: 55
    The whole situation is that there is a strange war that is not understandable to the people.
    And people don't understand what's going on.
    Such x .... usually ends badly for the state. hi
  17. +4
    3 June 2023 18: 59
    Here is a happy ending. And now run to the Belgorod region
    1. -1
      3 June 2023 19: 04
      Most likely, they will go there the other day - he again recorded a video on emotions about Belgorod, and yesterday he said that they would go there. We wait
  18. 0
    3 June 2023 19: 06
    It was they who reconciled in vain. For personal safety and the good of the cause, they should maintain the illusion of hostility. Well, like Zhukov and Konev under Stalin.
  19. 0
    3 June 2023 19: 14
    Personally, I give a damn about their graters.
    I'm interested, when are you planning to turn off the war?
    Anyway.
    1. +5
      3 June 2023 19: 51
      You can personally ask this question to the Supreme. Well, if Kremlin.ru is not blocked in your Internet segment
    2. Aag
      +1
      4 June 2023 07: 31
      Quote: Petrol cutter
      Personally, I give a damn about their graters.
      I'm interested, when are you planning to turn off the war?
      Anyway.

      ... Uh-huh .. "Damn it" ...
      After such "graters" NWO may seem like an unfortunate misunderstanding.
      And it's not about Prigozhin or Kadyrov, but about those who stand behind them. hi
  20. 0
    3 June 2023 19: 38

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  21. +2
    3 June 2023 19: 49
    There was also not enough civil war among themselves.
  22. +5
    3 June 2023 20: 00
    There's absolutely no point in these disassemblies now. Someone has to put them both in their place. And so that if they continue to make public statements, then only joint and verified ones. And no more. And then some kind of partisanism, and not the Russian Army. am
  23. +8
    3 June 2023 20: 06
    All these public and non-public showdowns of power units are an abomination and a disgrace. They do a common thing, and it does not matter - for the love of the Motherland or for the sake of dividing future spheres of influence. And all this media squabbling is not masculine.
  24. +3
    3 June 2023 20: 10
    Oil painting: the current feudal lords (or their vassals) scold - just amuse themselves? winked
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    1. 0
      3 June 2023 20: 39
      Don't make waves. It goes on and we are all brothers. At the front, they are not divided by nationality. And the Chechens have been fighting with us shoulder to shoulder for a long time. If I'm not mistaken, the "wild division" is an example of this. It was in the 90s that they tried to pit us. And it even succeeded. And you have the views of a nationalist. With which we are now fighting in Ukraine.
      1. NW
        +1
        4 June 2023 00: 31
        Paranoia is a mental illness, not attitudes. The resource turns into a mental hospital.
    2. -4
      3 June 2023 23: 24
      Who is Prigozhin by nationality, can you answer?
      1. 0
        4 June 2023 08: 01
        Don't know. But apparently a pure Jew. And does this change anything?
  26. +4
    3 June 2023 20: 33
    "... discussing how to prevent an open clash between two paramilitary structures, ..."

    In general, the "tough guys" "fingers like a fan" began to "throw show-offs", "score arrows" and frighten "throw an answer". And hinted at the arrow, with aircraft, tanks, and artillery?

    Well, they scratched a little, and the 90s came out in crimson jackets .. What is the other term, the PR elite.
    1. Aag
      +2
      4 June 2023 07: 35
      "... What is the term for others, the PR elite ...".
      good
  27. -11
    3 June 2023 20: 38
    Prigozhin called it provocative, in the style of the nineties, when conflicts were resolved on the so-called "shooters". According to him, this cannot be allowed, because any conflicts on interethnic ground in Russia extinguished for a very long time

    The cunning Prigozhin, does he want to present the conflict between his filthy language (which voices the whim of pro-Western oligarchs) and Akhmat’s units as a conflict on interethnic grounds?!
    This is between what nations?
    Prigozhin seems to be a Jew, which means the conflict between the Jews (many of whom are rocking Russia for some reason) and the Chechens.
    That's just on the side of the Chechens will be everyone who cares about Russia, everyone who is against the frantic dictates of the West.
  28. +5
    3 June 2023 20: 41
    Some theater of the absurd. How Vasilevsky and Konev quarreled, but decided to make peace before it came to the tank armies ..
    I hope that this idiocy is virtual, and exists only in social networks.
    1. -3
      3 June 2023 23: 28
      I hope that this idiocy is virtual, and exists only in social networks
      So far, yes, in social networks, but Prigozhin is working and his goal now (Kadyrov did not succeed in collapsing the front) is to inflate an interethnic conflict - between Russians and Chechens.
      Talented this Jew.
    2. -1
      4 June 2023 10: 19
      "Some kind of theater of the absurd. How Vasilevsky and Konev quarreled,"
      in general, beetles with a horse, for which he raked with a stick. but that was after the war, there was no talk of tank armies
  29. +1
    3 June 2023 20: 50
    Either crawl or breaststroke they swim ... tomorrow they said they will go to the sea laughing
  30. +3
    3 June 2023 20: 54
    Akhmat, Wagner, BARS, Corps, Airborne Forces, Marine Corps, Guard.......
    Twelvelanguage
    Centerum censo Washingtonium delendam esse
  31. -1
    3 June 2023 23: 03
    Quote: flicker
    Prigozhin is not an independent entity, he fulfills the directives of the pro-Western oligarchs, whose goal is to raise a rebellion in Russia

    The surest way to start a rebellion is to merge all fronts
    But Prigozhin and Wagner are doing just the opposite - they are pulling out difficult situations
    Therefore, the statement is highly controversial.
  32. +1
    3 June 2023 23: 54
    Je velká škoda u tak velkých bojovníků tříštit síly!! Chce to více moudrosti a pokory na obou stranách, hádky velmi poškodí Rusko!
    1. 0
      3 June 2023 23: 55
      It's a shame to share strength with such great fighters!! We need more wisdom and humility on both sides, the arguments will greatly harm Russia!
  33. ata
    +1
    4 June 2023 03: 23
    Both Prigozhin and Kadyrov are controlled by Putin.

    Kadyrov officially admitted that he illegally and without the permission of the higher authorities entered into relations with the intelligence service of the enemy state and received from them an object worth 10 (ten million) US dollars, admitted that his horse, which fell under the sanctions, was handed over to him by the Ukrainian special services.

    There are two explanations that come to mind first:
    First, very kind people serve in the Ukrainian intelligence service and give people just like that gifts worth a billion rubles, including officials of the state with which they are at war.
    The second explanation is that the secret service paid for the services of a traitor to their homeland, and this against the backdrop of an approaching attack by the Armed Forces of Ukraine - what did he do to deserve such a gift?

    Also seen in contacts with the Ukrainian special services and Prigozhin.

    Putin, interfering in the conduct of the NMD, deliberately made the decision to send troops to the Donbass, instead of cutting off Ukraine from Western supplies with a strike along the Polish border in Transnistria. Also, instead of throwing more and more people to the Donbass, they could be used to expand success in the south, and without reinforcements, it was necessary not only not to expand this success, but even to surrender the only liberated regional center and the most important bridgehead on the right bank of the Dnieper. Pushing through a grain deal that allows the Armed Forces of Ukraine to strike at Russian ships and in the Crimea, regular meanness, exchanges of some Medvedchuks and some kind of frostbitten Chechen clown who was in Ukraine himself and voluntarily poured mud on his own relatives and was engaged in all kinds of criminal dirt, on the Azov people, this is a betrayal. All the difficulties of the SVO are the result of the activities of the Yeltsin-Putin clan, both for more than thirty years, and of Putin’s direct intervention, directly during this SVO, in decision-making on hostilities and deals and agreements on human blood, on the blood of people whom He had already robbed and betrayed before.
    1. -1
      4 June 2023 08: 38
      That is, you want to say that the army, contrary to Putin, began its own? Contrary to him, returned the Crimea, two republics and two regions? What is the size of the army you need to have to cut Ukraine in half and then hold the position? In my opinion, the only correct decision, as it is now, is to gradually take settlements, constantly leveling and reducing the front line. Although there are only 18 million inhabitants left in Ukraine, they have total mobilization.
      And although their army is now larger in number, the resource is not unlimited. And this does not mean that you have to go over the corpses of everyone. There is some unacceptable value in the losses, after which the troops simply refuse to fight. This critical moment could be their counter-offensive, which everyone was tired of waiting for and is now generally in doubt. Although a month ago it was quite real
      1. 0
        4 June 2023 10: 31
        "There is some unacceptable value in the losses, after which the troops simply refuse to fight."
        what troops are these? wagner? yes, they can, Prigozhin said so. but they kept the bakhmut to the last, and retreated by order to pre-equipped positions 5 km from the bakhmut, where they stand
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        4 June 2023 19: 25
        Quote: igorbrsv
        In my opinion, the only correct decision, as it is now, is to gradually take settlements, constantly leveling and reducing the front line.


        What is happening is the most ill-advised military decision imaginable.
        Large losses of personnel, equipment and time, without solving military problems.
        At the same time, there is an obvious interest of their foreign masters in such a development of events: one should not lose sight of the fact that Ukrainians for the Western masters of Putin and Zelensky are the same Russians who are now dying on both sides, the war is dragging on, the tasks of the NMD are not being solved, but all they need is provide one of the parties for this weapon (on credit).
        Therefore, the idea of ​​the so-called Bakhmut meat grinder is inherently flawed; in an interview with Prigozhin, he said "we" convinced Surovikin of the idea of ​​​​the Bakhmut meat grinder. Who were these "we" along with Prigogine?

        The solution would be a complete military victory over Ukraine and a change of political leadership in Ukraine (and in Russia).
        But this is precisely what the Putin clan does not go for, but instead does dirty deeds with the Zelensky clan.

        And from a military point of view, the front line from Belarus to Transnistria would be shorter than the current front line, in addition, the ancient Ukrainians did not have any fortifications there at all, they were not going to fight with anyone there, while Donbass was strengthened for eight years and it was on these fortifications that Putin sent troops and exactly as they expected. Meanness, betrayal and dementia in one bottle.

        And the icing on the cake, which Russian intelligence could not have been unaware of, is that in Ukraine there is only one plant for the production of shells, and their stock in Ukrainian warehouses at the beginning of the invasion met the needs for two weeks, thus cutting off Ukraine from the western border and by bombing one single plant for the production of shells, the war can be won with virtually no losses and without stress, forcing Ukraine to shoot ammunition, and then take everything away for free and without fighting, even Kiev, even Lviv, even Odessa, even Donbass.
        The problem is precisely political in nature, it is necessary to remove from power the vile, stupid and corrupt political leadership of the country, which is responsible for the failure of the SVO.
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    4 June 2023 09: 13
    Quote: igorbrsv
    In Ukraine, though there are only 18 million inhabitants

    Where do these numbers come from?
    In the wildest public - and then, less than 30+ do not speak
    So where do these numbers come from?
  35. 0
    4 June 2023 09: 41
    Prigozhin and Kadyrov showed insight - the issue is settled. However, I assume that they will try to warm up the conflict again - and again, internal enemies. The story obviously didn't end there. And again the variant with confrontation appears.

    Apparently, we are witnessing a serious intra-elite conflict.
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    4 June 2023 09: 42
    “We will come without an invitation and without asking permission, the only thing we will require is ammunition,” Prigozhin promised.
    straight, Napoleon, and Robin Hood in one bottle. started talking. it's time to send to Africa, or to St. Elena
  37. 0
    4 June 2023 13: 14
    This is correct, very good news. There was still not enough squabbling between the power units within the warring country.