Bloomberg: Russian President will receive diplomatic immunity if he participates in the BRICS summit in South Africa

The importance of such an organization as BRICS in the international arena is growing, largely due to the fact that many countries see it as an alternative to the West, which is trying to impose its vision of democracy on everyone.

The leaders of this interstate association should gather for the next summit in August this year in South Africa in the city of Johannesburg. However, in light of the decision of the International Criminal Court (ICC) to issue an insane warrant for the arrest of Russian President Vladimir Putin, there were all sorts of rumors about his participation in the summit.

It is worth recalling that South Africa is a member state of the ICC and must fulfill its obligations and, as the West believes, either prevent the Russian president from appearing on its territory or arrest him. However, according to the American Bloomberg agency, the South African authorities decided to grant diplomatic immunity to all participants of the BRICS summit, which will allow the Russian president to visit South Africa this summer without fear.

The publication reminds that earlier the Minister of Justice of South Africa spoke about the study of the issue of the possibility of granting immunity to heads of state from an ICC warrant.

BRICS consists of five states - Russia, China, India, Brazil, South Africa, and more than 30 countries around the world wish to become members of this organization.

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[dmi.pris1]

Why is South Africa the ICC? A typical political court, and some mongrels play the first violin there

[Gnefredov]

South Africa is so I'll tell you, very rich, so rich, unreal ...
In general, traditional America, a weak reflection of the realities of the Republic of South Africa. So it's better about London.
Sirs and Peers from the banks of the foggy Thames bit their elbows and tore their coats at the sight of the riches of these banks.
But far away. The dog's womb is how far away. Although diamonds. Lots of diamonds. So many.
--
Sorry for the artistic presentation, the granddaughters have arrived. I accept small ones :)

UPD and yes, there are a lot of David's children there. This is not a reproach, but just a statement of fact. We can say that the elite of the brains of Israel is not in America but in South Africa. Since I saw it myself, I myself am the primary source.

[Kotofeich]

What is the article about?
"The South African authorities have decided to grant diplomatic immunity to all participants of the BRICS summit, which will allow the Russian president to visit South Africa this summer without fear."
However: "Diplomatic immunity, which will be granted to the participants of the BRICS summit in the Republic of South Africa, does not apply to orders from international courts, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of South Africa said."

[Petr_Koldunov]

Quote: Kotofeich

"Diplomatic immunity, which will be granted to the participants of the BRICS summit in South Africa, does not apply to orders from international courts, the South African Foreign Ministry said."

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs can say whatever it wants. The President of South Africa gave his word that Putin would be inviolable. And this issue will be decided by him, not by the Foreign Ministry.
And where the ICC warrants are distributed or not is their own business.

[dump22]

The President of South Africa gave his word that Putin would be inviolable.

In South Africa, it's not like ours, everything is complicated.
There is a special presidential-parliamentary republic.
The president is not elected there at all (!), but this is just the head of the party with a majority in parliament.
And he cannot go against the majority of his party.
Now the ANC party has the majority, and there are several warring factions in it.
The previous president Zuma - the leaders of the ANC factions conspired and removed him from the presidency in 2018. They put Ramaphosa in his place, but he can also be removed if he ceases to suit them.

[vadim_ivanov]

I thought HE doesn’t even perceive this game of some kind of antics - laws invented for insects

[uralex]

No matter how the partners "cheated" here ...

[Plane_Junkers]

here everything smacks of a trap, they can deceive

[Reserve officer]

It seems that a provocation is being prepared against the President of Russia. For example, today I read the following in the Yandex news: "Diplomatic immunity granted to the participants of the BRICS summit in South Africa in August does not apply to warrants of international courts, the South African Foreign Ministry said."

[terms]

Well, by the way, the question is debatable. For Putin is the supreme commander in chief, it's kind of like a military position, or something. That is, it is quite possible to regard this as a direct attack on a state with nuclear weapons - I doubt that The Hague will have enough eggs to host such a guest, because it’s one thing to say something about the war of some kind of yellow-blooded Papuans, because there is no one he doesn’t particularly regret it, but the other thing is to drag the current commander-in-chief directly to himself, the consequences are really few who can predict) )))
Not only did the Americans not accept the Rome Statute, they also issued a legislative act that would give them the right to military intervention in any country that detained any American citizen by decision of the ICC))
In general, world politics is interesting, few people pay attention at all. True sovereignty from the whole pro-Western world is possessed only by Americans. Only they do not bind themselves to any supranational structures. But they themselves supported a bunch of such structures. The EU is a great example when it is expensive and difficult to control every country in Europe, but it is quite convenient to create a bloc over them, the leadership of which you can twirl as you like. It is not for nothing that the British, even when they joined the EU, left their currency, and in general they do not give up their sovereignty.

[Letun]

Quote from termos

For Putin is the supreme commander in chief, it's sort of like a military position

Exactly. Sort of...

[paul3390]

Modern international law traditionally proceeds from the absolute immunity of the highest officials of the state - heads of state, heads of government and ministers of foreign affairs - from the criminal and civil jurisdiction of any national courts. The UNICJ, in its 2002 decision in the Yerodia case (better known in the literature as the Arrest Warrant Case), confirmed that, in the absence of treaty rules, the immunities of such persons are now governed by international custom, i.e. international customary law (International Customary Law). Using the example of the Minister for Foreign Affairs of the Congo, against whom an arrest warrant was issued by a Belgian court, the UNICJ confirmed that such immunities are valid without any exceptions as long as the person in question is in office, even in the case of charges of international crimes ( such as war crimes or crimes against humanity (para. 58)). The doctrine and practice of national courts now proceed from the fact that the conclusions of the UNIC are fully applicable not only to the Ministers of Foreign Affairs, but also to other acting senior state officials.

However, the ICJ in the same decision noted that such immunities may not be an obstacle to criminal prosecution of such persons by international courts in cases where such courts have appropriate jurisdiction, specifically mentioning among such courts the ICC (para. 61). Indeed, Art. 27 of the ICC Statute states that the immunities of an official granted to him under international law should not prevent the Court from exercising its jurisdiction over such person. But this means that, by creating the ICC and ratifying its Statute, the states, by this international treaty, voluntarily waived the immunity of their officials in relation to cases considered by the ICC, both vertically - in relations between states with the court, and horizontally - between the states themselves - Parties to the Statute. In other words, a State Party to the Statute has assumed a treaty obligation to arrest and extradite to the Court, on its warrant, its senior officials, as well as officials of any other State Party to the Statute, if they happen to be in its territory.

However, the ICC Statute does not exclude the Court's jurisdiction over crimes committed by nationals of states that are not party to this treaty, including theoretically the highest officials of these states. In this case, a possible conflict between the obligations of states under the Statute with the norms of international law on the immunity of such persons was resolved on the basis of Art. 98 of the Statute. Under this article, the Court cannot make a request to a State Party to the Statute which would require that State to act in contravention of its obligations under international law regarding the immunity of officials of another State until the Court has obtained the cooperation of that other State in the matter waiver of immunity. As we can see, in the case of officials of states that are not parties to the Statute, priority was still given to their international immunities, and not to the interests of justice until the Court obtains the consent of a state not party to the Statute to waive the immunity of such persons .

https://zakon.ru/blog/2023/03/29/kovarstvo_i_holodnyj_raschet_mezhdunarodnyj_ugolovnyj_sud_i_immunitety_glavy_gosudarstva

[Galleon]

I understand! I understand what you wrote! )))
Good comment on the case

[Gnefredov]

Well, thank you Lord.
Didn't expect anything else, really.
And it's great that it's being voiced.

[paul3390]

I still hoped that it would be interesting for people to understand thoroughly what is happening, and not to contemplate emotional statements like - fuck them ..

But to quote in full in the answer a long post that you didn’t like so much - and it’s really not clumsy .. There are spoilers for that ..

[Antokha]

many countries see it as an alternative to the West, which is trying to impose its vision of democracy on everyone.

There may be, and there are countries that do not want any democracy at all. It must be understood that the very term "democracy" is an invention of the same West.

[AdAstra]

South African Foreign Ministry: Immunity for participants in BRICS meetings does not cancel the order of the international court

PRETORIA, 30 May. /TASS/. Diplomatic immunity, which the authorities of the Republic of South Africa (South Africa) intend to provide to the participants of the meeting of the BRICS foreign ministers in June and the association summit in August, does not cancel the warrant that an international court could issue against any participant in the meeting. This was announced on Tuesday by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Cooperation of South Africa.

[know]

Be afraid, he is no longer traveling. The plane will be easily landed on the way to South Africa, and the "comrades-in-arms" will be happy to hand it over in exchange for access to foreign assets.

[Dimy4]

Be afraid, he is no longer traveling. The plane will be easily landed on the way to South Africa, and the "comrades-in-arms" will be happy to hand it over in exchange for access to foreign assets.

Well, for sure he will fly guarded not by a couple of maizemen.

[Sergey3]

Corners will knock down or distract. The West is now worse than a rabid dog in agony.

[Gnefredov]

Quote: paul3390

I still hoped that it would be interesting for people to understand thoroughly what is happening, and not to contemplate emotional statements like - fuck them ..

But to quote in full in the answer a long post that you didn’t like so much - and it’s really not clumsy .. There are spoilers for that ..

Exactly. And I agree with you. Therefore, I deleted my answer. Accept my apologies

[rotmistr60]

Today I read that in South Africa an opinion is being expressed about withdrawing from the ICC, tk. this is a too politicized "legal" organization working exclusively in the interests of the West. Because it is only being discussed decided to grant diplomatic immunity to the participants of the summit. But our president will go or speak via videoconference, it is up to him and the FSO to decide, focusing on the data of the SVR.

[Pankrat25]

Diplomatic immunity, which will be granted to the participants of the BRICS summit in the Republic of South Africa, does not apply to orders from international courts, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of South Africa said.

[Stanislav82]

diplomatic immunity is when your fleet is nearby. And the Strategic Missile Forces got a little excited.

[Sergey3]

Personally, in my opinion, given the double meaning of the South African government's statement, no guarantees have been provided to the President of Russia. I wouldn't go anywhere if I were him.