American expert: Zelensky exaggerated the strategic importance of Bakhmut at the beginning of the operation and downplays it after the loss of the city

The American edition published material by columnist James Robbins, where he sums up the battle for Bakhmut (Artyomovsk). In an article published on the pages of The American Spectator magazine, Robbins writes that Ukraine initially had no chance of holding this city, but the military-political leadership decided to accept the battle without predicting its outcome for the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

American columnist:

Bakhmut is Verdun XXI of our time. This is a real battle of attrition. The defense of Bakhmut was part of Ukraine's military assistance program, but the defeat of the Ukrainian Armed Forces proves that in the end it all turned out to be a waste of money.

According to Robbins, who serves as faculty dean at the World Policy Institute (USA), Zelensky is now widely accused of hypocrisy, as he deliberately exaggerated the strategic value of Bakhmut at the beginning of the operation and downplays it now that the city has been lost to Ukraine.

American expert:

Ukraine could stabilize the frontline by retreating from Bakhmut in 2022. By now, the Armed Forces would be where they were forced to retreat a few days ago. But there is a crucial difference: they would not have suffered such heavy losses.

According to Robbins, Bakhmut should not be repeated for Ukraine, as this is too expensive a lesson.

Robbins:

Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers who have died by now could have survived.

Comments

[bath]

Why was there no headline "Another Nazi Defeat at Stalingrad" in the Russian press?

[Sulla__Glorious]

Mariupol - stormed for two months. And then - it was considered LONG. And Artyomovsk - 224 days! And then? And then: Konstantinovka, Chasov Yar, Druzhkovka, Torets, Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, which are even better fortified than Artyomovsk and garrisons - many THOUSANDS trained! And what, EVERY new urban settlement - will we storm in the forehead ?! If Shoigu and Gerasimov were stormed with THEIR "foreheads", then the brains would quickly stand in the right row! And of course: OTHERS' foreheads - do not feel sorry!

[1976AG]

"Mariupol - stormed for two months"

Mariupol was completely surrounded, and reinforcements and ammunition went to Artemovsk until the last day.

[kill the fascist]

Don't stop the strategist from sketching. I agree, the comment is too short.

[GGV]

He understands everything, it’s just that this is probably the job. You can’t hand over any village, just throw reinforcements there. This is probably why Artyomovsk was not completely surrounded

[blackGRAIL]

But this is the key question: are the Russian Armed Forces unable to carry out the encirclement of the city, which the enemy is heavily defending? With Vugledar they could not, on Soledar and Bakhmut they threw Wagner into the meat grinder. What's next?

[Yorgven]

And what prevented them from encircling, cleaning up the fortified areas around the city with neutron warheads, 1 warhead provides cleaning from the Armed Forces of Ukraine and Natsiks on an area of ​​20 square kilometers. After that, it remains to collect trophies, designate new targets and continue the exterminatus until they are completely surrounded, until they themselves scatter or surrender. But we have a NWO, not a war, but in modern times, as a superpower, we cannot fight, we are better as great-great-grandfathers in World War II ...

[SwR9]

The first task is to protect people, the second is to protect people, and the third is to grind as much of the enemy as possible. That's why the boiler was not closed for so long. It was possible to take the city in a couple of weeks, but the price would be higher.

[Yorgven]

And it was also possible to prevent our losses of 20000 people if we fought like adults, as the military superpower, which is the Russian Federation, should fight. Of course, in this case, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are likely to get into the cities, taking civilians hostage. But this will already be a counter-terrorist operation.

[Svetlana]

"Everyone imagines himself a strategist seeing a battle from the side"This is Shota Rustaveli back in the 13th century, he spoke about you as a sofa expert in 2023.

[Rage66]

In February of the 43rd, a wise guy who does not know history, Kharkov was taken by Soviet troops, and already in March, they were left again.
According to your logic, there was no point in fighting further ...
But then the capitals of Europe were taken and Berlin became the icing on the cake.
Not everything is calculated using the multiplication table.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote from: wanna

Why was there no headline "Another Nazi Defeat at Stalingrad" in the Russian press?

Because the Nazis snatched out the faces in Artyomovsk, and not near Stalingrad. Accept it as a new historical fact.

[Leshak]

According to Robbins, Bakhmut should not be repeated for Ukraine

Will definitely repeat and more than once. And each time the losses of the Nazis will increase.

[dmi.pris1]

The next "Bazmut" is next in line - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk ..

[nobody75]

There are other homemade...
Sincerely

[dmi.pris1]

I don’t mind at all. Especially in Slobozhanshchina

[1976AG]

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The next "Bazmut" is next in line - Chasov Yar, Konstantinovka, Kramatorsk, Slavyansk ..

And from Avdiivka, let them beat Donetsk for another year?

[dmi.pris1]

They forgot to say about Maryinka. There are a lot of such cities there. And they, yes, must be released

[1976AG]

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They forgot to say about Maryinka. There are a lot of such cities there. And they, yes, must be released

Maryinka is 99% liberated and therefore not so relevant, and the rest are noticeably further from Donetsk and therefore not so relevant either.

[belovvladimir]

The sheriff's Indians don't care. Sister, maybe in intensive care, no, the doctor said to the morgue, then to the morgue. The war will last until the last Ukrainian, the US State Department. They didn’t give you enough weapons, yes, the Russians already have javelins, and they’re insolent, they ask you to put mayonnaise into the humanitarian aid. The Russians are asking for Abrams, Panthers, and all kinds of equipment, they want to buy for the museum, but the tanks are not yet given

[pharmacist]

What kind of cynics are these Americans. The city was destroyed, how many people died, and they have one problem - the money wasted in vain.

[Cheshire]

He regrets that he personally did not fuck with this gesheft.

[Ezekiel 25-17]

In the Donbass, the Nazis, starting in 2015, this after the Minsk agreements, created a defense in depth, each city was turned into a stronghold or a fortress: this is how it will be clearer to anyone. Now about the tactics of our General Staff: they are doing what they can. Using their fire advantage, they squeeze the Armed Forces of Ukraine out of the supporting cities, while trying to inflict maximum losses on the enemy, while minimizing the losses of our troops. Or let's put it this way: inflicting losses on the Armed Forces of Ukraine an order of magnitude greater than our troops bear. Why is that? I think that the point is the political restrictions imposed on them by the country's leadership. 1) Unwillingness to go to general mobilization immediately in February; Why? The reason is that the economy can't handle it. 2) Non-use of tactical nuclear weapons: Ukraine has already given at least two reasons; I mean the attack of our ADD strategists and the drone strike on the Kremlin. They fit perfectly into our Doctrine. In addition, no Doctrine is required for the use of tactical nuclear weapons; it refers to strategic nuclear weapons. In general: there would be a desire. But the realization that even though our Security Councils, being of the last generation, will still give a certain trail that can expose our territories, as well as those we plan to enter, to radioactive contamination and impose such restrictions on our command. In addition: it is obviously believed that we will grind the Armed Forces anyway, since the West, when supplying weapons, will not send troops directly. It is also possible that there is an unspoken or secret (to whom, whatever) calculation for agreements with countries claiming certain territories of Ukraine. In general: "Time will tell." PS Active hostilities will be conducted until the summer-autumn of 2024, this is the end of the election campaign in the United States. This is if we do not break the APU on the knee earlier. Anticipating criticism: I don’t want and I don’t advise anyone to write about the successful counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, God save Ukraine from such a case. For in this case, the use of tactical nuclear weapons is possible, with an extremely high degree of probability.

[Bingo]

I am more pleased that I have repeatedly come across in Western periodicals - the mention of the fact that the city was purposefully destroyed by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, for example, by blowing up houses. Something there is already snapping away from the wars of good and light, which, with violets, brush off the evil orcs and more and more towards the fact that the Nazis, adnaka

[faterdom]

One more such Bakhmut, and the Ukrainian Armed Forces will not become, even taking into account the Poles and other Colombians, who want to earn extra money. And now this is understood both here and there, therefore, options for "freezing" are full of options, where the main problem is how to persuade the "inexorable Zelensky" to make territorial concessions. Along the way, threatening: "Otherwise they will kill Putin!"
The moment when you need to forge: inexorably wet, every day and night, warehouses, ports, bridges, airfields, Patriots, especially mercenaries, thoroughly everywhere and everyone, so that it comes to their spinal cord: do not get in - they will kill! Yes, the British are sure, every single one, so that the trip to Ukraine is one-way, even if you are a commando there, even though James Bond, spoiling all the girls within reach.
The British must realize: they are not Sahibs here, but the improvement of the black earth.