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Serdyukov removed - nationwide joy! But if you think about what to rejoice?

The trouble is not what he has done - from him there was nothing else to expect. Serdyukov is not to blame for taking the Russian army as his own business. Like the cooperative in which he began to make stools. By the way, those who saw these stools, claim that they were very high quality. No wonder he drove gave - Taburetkin (military version - Feldmebel). Serdyukov did not create anything better in his life for humanity. They say that even the army put a huge batch of stools. Apparently, when Putin, after a loud resignation, assured the Russians that the defense minister had done something good for the army, he meant it.

So the trouble is not in Serdyukov. He is by nature a speculator (although today they are called businessmen in our country). The trouble is that he was appointed to the post of defense minister. And publicly we could rejoice not in his removal, but if Putin and Medvedev publicly asked for forgiveness for this. They can do it together - in tandem, or one at a time. Introduce in the news: the president suddenly gets into the pose of a first-grader who is late for class and says: “It's my fault for everything that happened. I won't do that anymore, I realized that I was wrong. Yes, yes, I realized that the fact that Serdyukov married the daughter of my friend is not enough to be appointed to the post of defense minister. Forgive me, good people, honest pioneer, this will not happen again. It's just that when we appointed him, I was sure that he would cope, but life has shown that he let us down. Not only did he steal, he also turned out to be an unfaithful husband. "

Ok right While the Minister of Defense was cheating on his homeland, crushing the army, no one touched him. And when his wife - the daughter of the friend of the Chief - changed, it was then that they remembered that before that he had also changed his Motherland!

Of course, such an apology from the face of the Kremlin can only be dreamed of. Although I am sure that if the president decided on this, his rating would have jumped so that he would continue to want to repent also for Fursenko, and Golikov, and for everyone else. Would enter the taste. That would definitely benefit the Motherland. And he, by the way, too.

Even if he, as an actor, played this repentance, they would still believe him. The actor is wonderful. Remember how zamotochil after the election? And then, you see, they took off Serdyukov and are proud: well, they say, what kind of honest ones are we are fighting against corruption. What kind of corruption? Which they themselves spawned? I also found Taras bulbs. Or did you really believe that Minister Tabouretkin would make the Russian army powerful under the leadership of women?

Ask any military man - nobody Taburetkin respected, except those who stuck to the financial scheme of the Russian Army JSC, in which the controlling stake belonged to the minister, and almost all other shares belonged to his harem. Along the corridors of the ministry - funny shots showed! - there were such cats with claws longer than the skirts. They had nothing to do with the army except with war paint on their faces, as well as the fact that they were quicker than others to execute the command “lie down!” Not the ministry, and Cat's house.

Do you know what was the first shame of Serdyukov before the military? Shortly after his appointment, they showed how the Minister of Defense knocks one of the vice-premiers at the door of the office and asks: “Can I?” No military man asks such a question. The military man asks: “Allow me to enter?” I wonder when he knocked so much on Putin that he was answered by our Commander-in-Chief? "Will you please, my dear"? ..

Judging by the latest articles in the press, some of the Serdyukovsk cats will still be put in, and not at all in Koshkin’s house. In general, taking into account the latest criminal cases initiated by the state and the landings that have already taken place (such as Pussy Riot and others), I predict that soon women’s colonies and zones will get much better. The real glamor will pull out on his bunk with rhinestones and wear a robe from Armani and Louis Vuitton. Who would advise, by the way, Louis Vuitton to stop scribbling bags for the Japanese and go to robes for Russian business leaders. More would have earned.

But if Serdyukov gets to the zone, it is even a pity. After all, he will go on a criminal case. And prison tillage, unlike our rulers, do not forgive treason for the Motherland, they can and ... However, he will always find a way out of the situation. For those grandmothers that he has, he will be able to get him to be transferred to a deadline for the female zone. At the very least, he will build a personal five-star prison cell for himself, and he will do business with it. Such a VIP area will not be empty.

... And I would like to see how Serdyukov returns to the zone to the labor skills of youth, to the stools. True vocation - it is more expensive than the title!

But jokes are jokes, but I still expect an apology from our rulers, and even somewhere in my heart I believe that they will figure out how profitable it is for them. Otherwise, the trust of the people will be extremely difficult to return. Well, okay, they do not want to publicly, even if they ask your church mentor for forgiveness. Repent. After all, they are believers, our rulers. Have you seen how they were baptized at Easter? Synchronously, as in figure skating, - the unanimous assessment of "6.0".

Agree, it would be a touching thing to happen: the prime minister kisses the hand of the Holy One and says: “Forgive me, Father, for Serdyukov and for what he has done. It's my fault, not him. Wrongly the servant of God understood my installation for modernization! ”- and so feelingly he says it, that he misses the excitement and kisses the Holy One ... in hours. And he adds: “God bless me, holy father, so that some day I will get such a clock from the Lord!”

By the way, I feel sorry for our Prime Minister Medvedev as well: how he fought for the modernization of the army, how he fought! With such enthusiasm, I approved the purchase of helicopter carriers from France, which Sarkozy lobbied for. And how was it not to approve? It doesn’t matter that they are not needed by the Russian army, they are so modernized! They have so many different buttons, beautiful screens ...

I remember the phrase from my speech a year ago: “The army was modernized, modernized, and not modernized!” And now it will not be possible to keep silent about this purchase: in France, a criminal case was launched against Sarkozy and publicly declared a corruption component in the cases with the Russian Oboronservis.

In general, the word itself is delightful - “defense service”. Service in the defense. The enemy attacked, and he once - service provided the Ministry of Defense!

The criminal case against Serdyukov’s “associates” is, of course, only the surface part of the iceberg. But will ever open underwater? For example, they will tell us which combat vehicles needed for Russia's hot spots were purchased by Oboronservis (well, of course, for service) in other countries? What worthy heirs tank “T-34” - BMW 525, BMW 740, Porsche Cayenne, Mercedes-Benz S500 ... All of them must have been equipped with extremely modernized acoustic systems: the enemy attacked, and we shandarahn him with a radio from BMW! And finally finished off the BTR Land Cruiser with bluetooth.

All this is modernization according to Medvedev. Medvedernization. For its implementation, a special army market headquarters was created.

And who should apologize to the people? Serdyukov? Evon women? Have you seen a biography of one of them, Marina Chubkina? At 30, she was already a full state adviser to the Russian Federation of the third class! This corresponds to the major general in the army and rear admiral in navy. Incidentally, Vladimir Putin personally appropriated the “adviser” to Chubkina. By the way, most recently, in July 2012. He does not want to apologize to the people for this appointment?

By the way, Marina Chubkin is very good. I managed to get out from under Serdyukov and lie down under the Russian Railways. Just in time. Before the scandal broke. Or maybe she is a misleading Cossack? Everything where she works gradually falls apart. And to her - even if only it blooms and prettier. But now it became somehow alarming for the train.
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  1. Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 06: 51
    +18
    Putin will not ask for forgiveness, such forgiveness will immediately stir up the country and some beyond its borders. Yes, and the good of these apologies. Let everyone transplant-this is better than any-sorry. Now they said on NTV, Serdyukov personally authorized the sale of the oil terminal, it’s worth signing .Maybe now Putin will see the light and the investigation will have claims.
    1. Owl
      Owl 7 December 2012 07: 02
      +73
      Do not believe in the tale about "the good Tsar whom the evil boyars are deceiving." Everything that happens in Russia, everything happens with the filing and with the approval of the GDP. Changing the minister is a "purely family matter", the father-in-law punishes the son-in-law, and the father-in-law and the president do not care deeply about the theft and the collapse of the Army.
      1. esaul
        esaul 7 December 2012 07: 16
        -1
        Quote: Eagle Owl
        Changing the minister is a "purely family matter", the father-in-law punishes the son-in-law, and the father-in-law and the president do not care deeply about the theft and the collapse of the Army.

        After all, everyone judges the world around him, relying on his moral principles, is not it?
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 24
          +16
          Quote: esaul
          After all, everyone judges the world around him, relying on his moral principles, is not it?

          Yes, this is exactly so. Everyone speaks and judges on the basis of his conscience, if it certainly exists.
          1. military
            military 7 December 2012 10: 02
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Everyone speaks and judges based on his conscience, unless of course it is.

            so it happens that they lose ...request talking ... drinks
            1. admiral
              admiral 7 December 2012 13: 23
              +12

              The ex-wife of Serdyukov, she is the daughter of Zubkov, is still young and must arrange her personal life. Who will become her chosen one? And most importantly, in what ministerial post will this lucky man come? And what will be the budgetary consequences of this appointment? ..
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 13: 34
                +6
                Quote: Admiral
                The ex-wife of Serdyukov, she is the daughter of Zubkov, is still young and must arrange her personal life. Who will become her chosen one?

                Oh, admiral, as I understand it, Zubkov is looking for a FAVORITE for his daughter. laughing You have no chance to photograph her wink
                1. Ribwort
                  Ribwort 7 December 2012 13: 42
                  +6
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  You have no chance to photograph her

                  And you, by chance, do not mark in a ministerial chair? laughing Take someone as the deputy who agrees to fulfill your duties (matrimonial) in case he turns out to be a crocodile. wink
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 13: 48
                    +3
                    Quote: Ribwort
                    And you, by chance, do not mark in a ministerial chair?

                    I have big ambitions laughing
                    Quote: Ribwort
                    Take someone as the deputy who agrees to fulfill your duties (matrimonial) in case he turns out to be a crocodile.

                    Well, used Vasiliev, so you have to hit the road for a beauty contest feel
                2. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 16: 23
                  +5
                  Quote: Admiral
                  The ex-wife of Serdyukov, she is the daughter of Zubkov, is still young and must arrange her personal life. Who will become her chosen one? And most importantly, in what ministerial post will this lucky man come? And what will be the budgetary consequences of this appointment? ..

                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Oh, Admiral, as I understand it, Zubkov is looking for a FAVORITE for his daughter. You do not accidentally have her photo

                  It seems that I, switching the TV, landed on the TV show "Let's Get Married"! Interesting ...
                  Ah ah ah! Admiral, respect your rank and position. wink Thank you for the minus. hi
                  It is from such news and hot "discussions" of such topics that your MANYlogs, gentlemen
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 16: 34
                    0
                    Quote: esaul
                    Thank you for the minus

                    yes please come again wink
                  2. HIGHLANDER
                    HIGHLANDER 7 December 2012 17: 03
                    0
                    good smiled, the main thing on the subject comrades argue))))
                3. baltika-18
                  baltika-18 7 December 2012 17: 06
                  +4
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Oh, Admiral, as I understand it, Zubkov is looking for a FAVORITE for his daughter. You do not accidentally have her photo

                  Accidentally. Julia Pokhlebenina, wife of Serdyukov. Meet the lady is free like a bird.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 17: 11
                    +1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Meet the lady free like a bird.

                    Stunned, Nikolai urgently tell Zubkov -I fell in love, let him send the plane for me laughing
                    1. baltika-18
                      baltika-18 7 December 2012 17: 19
                      +2
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Stunned, Nikolai urgently tell Zubkov -I fell in love, let him send the plane for me

                      So I think what Mr. Serdyukov lacked.
                      1. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 17: 25
                        +4
                        Quote: baltika-18
                        So I think what Mr. Serdyukov lacked.

                        Money, what else, set up simpostyashok and here is the result. The man, in fact, received everything from life, but wanted more. A broken trough comes to memory, Serdyukov wanted to become master, and he became ............ negative
                      2. Piran
                        Piran 24 December 2012 09: 20
                        0
                        So this was his initial task ...
                    2. general-oberst
                      general-oberst 8 December 2012 12: 17
                      0
                      No, the plane is behind me. Just why she has such a not glamorous surname, although to hell with her, with the surnamelove
                    3. Karish
                      Karish 8 December 2012 17: 20
                      0
                      Quote: Alexander Romanov
                      Stunned, Nikolai urgently tell Zubkov -I fell in love, let him send the plane for me

                      Alexander, what about Odessa? Here it is man's fidelity. crying
                      Odessa citizen will be offended and will send the group from Mossad, but it’s scary to think how it will end
                  2. Paratov
                    Paratov 7 December 2012 21: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: baltika-18
                    Accidentally: Julia Pokhlebenina, wife of Serdyukov

                    Like Raisa Maximovna! ..
                4. general-oberst
                  general-oberst 8 December 2012 12: 14
                  0
                  And there may be a telehvonchik. I would have exchanged a couple of years. laughing
          2. Kite
            Kite 8 December 2012 00: 15
            +2
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Yes, this is exactly so. Everyone speaks and judges on the basis of his conscience, if it certainly exists.

            - Today at a bus stop I heard one lady discussing the unknown activity of one plant and the invisibility on the surface of the results of the construction of a sewer laughing , at the same time made a conclusion (standard): "the activity was imitated, the grandmothers drank" hi
            That is, they are judged not by conscience, but by their individual ability to understand.
        2. Ribwort
          Ribwort 7 December 2012 12: 02
          +4
          Quote: esaul
          After all, everyone judges the world around him, relying on his moral principles, is not it?

          If, God forbid, for example, you were robbed on the street, then to call obvious things by their proper names means "to judge by yourself"? Indeed, what kind of robbery is this? Fu, as it goes ... Royalty Free expropriation of private property. Does that sound better? Only the essence does not change and does not become less obvious. wink
          1. alexng
            alexng 7 December 2012 12: 52
            +1
            Quote: Ribwort
            Gratuitous expropriation of private property. Does that sound better?

            No! Better is the "expropriation of the expropriators". But the bottom line is they are in the sand.
          2. esaul
            esaul 7 December 2012 17: 18
            -1
            Quote: Ribwort
            If, God forbid, for example, you were robbed on the street, then to call obvious things by their proper names means "to judge by yourself"?

            In, wrapped up ...! They themselves understood what they compared with?
        3. S_mirnov
          S_mirnov 7 December 2012 12: 35
          +8
          It’s not true, they are judged on the basis of common sense and critical perception of information, moral attitudes are already included later, and Filin’s moral attitudes are normal, because a thief is bad and a traitor to the Motherland is bad. Do you want to argue with that?
        4. Nick
          Nick 8 December 2012 00: 11
          -1
          Quote: esaul
          After all, everyone judges the world around him, relying on his moral principles, is not it?

          Absolute truth, dear Esaul.
        5. pum boom
          pum boom 8 December 2012 13: 31
          0
          Mr. Yesaul, nasty commenting on the statement of a person about whom you obviously do not know anything - does not honor you!
      2. alexng
        alexng 7 December 2012 09: 19
        0
        You guys are naive, since you think that everything is so straightforward and that only your own people work in the team of any president. In any power, as a rule, there are a couple of teams, groups, families (you can even call it a loaf), which are in confrontation with each other. And if the same president, they say, needs to take that person to that position, and if he does not, then he will face the fate of Kennedy. It's another matter, if at some point some team managed to weaken those who oppose them, then you can proceed to "Plan B", ie start (not fearing that they may knock on the head or even pack in a wooden mac) a large-scale cleaning.
        1. Serush
          Serush 10 December 2012 20: 55
          0
          And why do we need such shit? (I hope this is not obscene ?. He should have known where he was going and why.)
          And Kennady is a man ..............
      3. rolik
        rolik 7 December 2012 11: 18
        +7
        As they said in one very good movie:
        - Errors must be corrected with blood!
        So here, only in the role of blood - mass landings, layoffs, and the appointment of truly competent comrades. The error was fixed, but it wasn’t worth singing praises after throwing out. Immediately after the resignation of A.E. Serdyukov, the Chairman of the Government of the Russian Federation D.A. Medvedev called him "an effective Minister of Defense", who carried out a large-scale reform of the Armed Forces, although it was accompanied by errors. According to the prime minister, Serdyukov proved his professionalism during the operation to force Georgia to peace in August 2008. And even more so remember 08.08.08, when this sweet couple, sat and looked at each other. Until they received a call from China and were given a pendal on a fatty w -... And it’s never too late to repent, at one time Damn Clinton apologized to his country for his adultery (now I understand why he went to the left of his beloved lol look at Chilu and understand), and the people of mattress understood and forgave him very much. Unfortunately, this is not accepted here.
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 18: 49
          +1
          Quote: rolik
          As they said in one very good movie

          Greetings Roman hi
          Remember, remember ... laughing
          Quote: rolik
          Errors must be corrected with blood

          But, unfortunately, there the punishment ended with a portion of salt in the ass. An example is not quite ... laughing
          1. rolik
            rolik 7 December 2012 22: 40
            +3
            Greetings Valery hi
            Well, why not put salt in the same thick jo .... am ??? Bring to the frontal place and salt ........ from Tsar Cannon wassat This story around the world will probably take prime time. drinks
            1. Nick
              Nick 10 December 2012 21: 22
              +1
              Quote: rolik
              Bring to the frontal place and salt ........ from Tsar Cannon

              Why salt? From the Tsar Cannon they themselves shoot into further space ... Ram only tightly ... am
      4. His
        His 7 December 2012 13: 03
        +1
        In place of GDP, I would tighten the nuts harder. Especially in the corruption section. You can create the conditions that even the most corrupt official or prosecutor, judge, deputy, doctor, etc. in sweat he would wake up from a dream where he was rubbing grandmas. And no London would save
        1. KamikadZzzE1959
          KamikadZzzE1959 7 December 2012 14: 48
          +2
          To tighten the nuts, you need to be either Stalin, or ideological silver-free.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 9 December 2012 19: 58
            0
            Quote: KamikadZzzE1959
            To tighten the nuts, you need to be either Stalin, or ideological silver-free.

            And why shouldn't Putin become like that? The people will only be in favor, but the West will not be fooled. With the adoption of the "Magnitsky Law" they showed that there will be no more reboots.
      5. enkor
        enkor 7 December 2012 18: 28
        +1
        Oh, how, bent!
        1. rolik
          rolik 7 December 2012 22: 41
          0
          Severe - but fair soldier
      6. starshina78
        starshina78 7 December 2012 19: 38
        +3
        That's right, Owl! That Serdyukov did not know about the thief is an anecdote, but both Putin and Medvedev shout about one thing - he is white and fluffy! How shoud I understand this ? There is a good Russian proverb: "The fish goes out from the head." I wrote comments here earlier that corruption and theft is due to the connivance of the authorities, so they pecked at me. Like: "Don't touch Putin! He's almost a saint!" Isn't that proof?
        1. Ribwort
          Ribwort 7 December 2012 19: 47
          +2
          Quote: starshina78
          "Don't touch Putin! He is almost a saint!"

          How familiar is it ... negative
    2. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 07: 12
      -20
      I have very big doubts that the author of this article is the one Mikhail Zadornov whom we know from the stage. I probably missed the advent of a new journalistic star in the journalistic horizon ... But - I do not regret it. Such frankly bile passages, as in this article, are not from a great mind, but from a fear of releasing a thread from your hands for which you can pull the readers, playing on their indignation with Serdyukov’s crimes. Serdyukov did not become in the ministerial chair - a favorite topic was gone. So that (God forbid!) The topic of the crime of power does not come to naught, we need to urgently find new pain points, otherwise they may forget that there are true fighters for the good of the people!
      As a rule, the motives of such people are purely personal and, as a rule, they should pile on all those beautiful words about love for the Motherland because they hurt them - hard-won.
      You don't need to be seven inches in your forehead to predict the wave of indignation of many "patriots" that will hang on the site now in response to my post. In fact, this is a hysteria that does not paint the screaming ones and the first post on this thread, laid out by Romanov (I would very much like it!) Should become a border pillar before sliding towards rabid branding and impaling.

      Sasha, welcome. I agree with the balance of the post, I just want to add that Putin probably knew about the growing abuses (after all, the development of this case was started two years ago, as it was announced in the UK), but he considered the situation at that time not "ripe" enough.

      Moreover, in addition to the topic of return of ownership of MO - documents on the right of ownership at the terminal are ALREADY removed from the Registration Chamber and the transaction will be canceled. The same will be undertaken with respect to other facilities..

      Guys let's be friends! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 22
        +21
        Quote: esaul
        Such frankly bile passages, as in this article, are not from a great mind, but from a fear of letting go of your hands a little point for which you can pull readers, playing on their indignation with Serdyukov’s crimes. Serdyukov did not become in the ministerial chair - a favorite topic was gone. So that (God forbid!) The topic of the crime of power does not come to naught, we need to urgently find new pain points, otherwise they may forget that there are true fighters for the good of the people!

        Probably it would be right for the author and we should advise everyone to forget and keep silent. Do not pay attention to general corruption. People are not completely crazy that they will not comment on frank and insolent theft. Only the slave will not be indignant, only the coward will be silent !!!
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 07: 36
          -12
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Probably it would be right for the author and we all to forget and be silent

          You twist, colleague ... Criticism of this kind looks more like the "constructivism" of a woman's conversation.
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Only the slave will not be indignant, only the coward will be silent !!!

          In your favorite 37, they did so in bulk, but did not even stutter about publicity. If you don’t feel the difference, then this is not a question for me ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 44
            +13
            Quote: esaul
            Distort, colleague.

            I do not distort, I proceed from what you wrote above about frankly biliary passages !!! - only a person who does not want to notice corruption or a person personally interested in such a lawlessness of some officials can speak.
            Quote: esaul
            In your beloved 37th, they did so in bulk, but did not even stutter about publicity.

            That's exactly glasnost !!! To disclose the names of those who steal and do not try to substitute concepts and manipulate the opinion of citizens. Thief-call a thief !!!
            1. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 08: 20
              -5
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              That's exactly glasnost !!! To disclose the names of those who steal and do not try to substitute concepts and manipulate the opinions of citizens.

              How much pathos and anger ...! Right Caligula on stage, before Rome ordered to set fire! Bravo, bravo!

              It’s strange that you don’t leave the same imprint on Stalin and don’t ask the question - "And who put Beria, Yezhov, Abakumov and others at the helm ...? Does he not see? Is he not in business ?!"
              Not objectively, old man and biased! ... Not good ... wink
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 37
                +13
                Quote: esaul
                How much pathos and anger ...! Right Caligula on stage, before Rome ordered to set fire! Bravo, bravo!

                Yesaul is not foolish, tired of it. You’ll at least plunder everything, you’ll scream one devil, it seems that the right-wing officials are sharing with you.
                Quote: esaul
                .Not good.

                Quote: esaul
                It is strange that you do not leave the same imprint on Stalin and do not ask the question - "And who put Beria, Yezhov, Abakumov and others at the helm ...? Does he not see? Is he not in business ?!

                I say, as I see. I did not live under Stalin, but at the same time, Stalin transferred many of those who today are pulling the budget.
                Quote: esaul
                Not objectively, my friend and biased! ... Not good ..

                And for you, all the bad ones are trying to revive you. I will not lick the looted officials. wink
                1. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 09: 14
                  -7
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Yesaul is not foolish, tired

                  Romanov, let’s not tell each other what to do, otherwise we’ll get to the point of telling whom to go.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  , it seems that right-wing officials are sharing with you.

                  Go to church, find yourself, take communion ... You look - the impressions are gone, Karma will become cleaner ...
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I speak, as I see.

                  I already said today - EVERYBODY JUDGES ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT BASED ON ITS MORAL SETTINGS. You, a colleague, are not endemic.
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  I did not live under Stalin

                  Then why such deep knowledge of life in the USSR in 1937? NASRadamus? "Ali still what the hell told you this?" VERY interesting!

                  I’m not going to lick the stolen officials

                  Here, due to the simplified perception of the world, I don’t even have a thought to lick someone’s ass, but for you, apparently this topic is not new ... It remains only to sympathize crying

                  And for you, everything is bad, who is trying to revive you

                  Sasha, mind your health! I am very glad that now VALOKORDIN will not be alone for me to say that I have pouted! fellow And then I began to believe that I am the most touchy on the site!
                  And on the same topic - it's time to note that I am ready to conduct a dialogue with my opponent if he does not overstep the boundaries of respect. Unlike the "Gang of Marshals", as one of the members of the forum put it, I never organize a persecution of someone who does not agree with my opinion.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 09: 24
                    +11
                    [quote = esaul]
                    [quote = esaul] Romanov, let’s not tell each other what to do to whom, but we’ll get to the point of telling whom to go [/ quote]
                    I try to be cultural and you will not wait for me to start sending and being rude. I was brought up differently.
                    Go to church, clear up, take communion ... You look - the impressions will be lost, Karma will become cleaner ... [/ quote]
                    Have you been in the Church for a long time? EVERY JUDGE ABOUT THE ENVIRONMENT ON THE BASIS OF YOUR MORAL SETTINGS. [/ Quote]
                    As Rogozin said about Madonna, each b **** with age begins to teach others morality hi Then why such deep knowledge of life in the USSR in 1937? NASRadamus? "Ali still what the hell has told you this? VERY curious! [/ Quote]
                    As you said at the beginning of the post, "let's not tell each other what to do ............." Reading this, you remind me of an official who says a lot and promises before the elections, but having won elections - starts to be rude. I don’t want to talk to you anymore !!!!!
            2. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 08: 52
              -9
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              !!! - only a person who does not want to notice corruption or a person personally interested in such a chaos of some officials can speak

              Funny you man, Sasha laughing I like it, the site should be fun. Show me at least one of my posts where I advocate corruption and corrupt officials. The BIGGEST - I urge you to avoid sweeping accusations. I thought you read more thoughtfully ...
              At one time, I shared a link to a site about corruption. Apparently it was not interesting to you.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 09: 09
                +9
                Quote: esaul
                Show me at least one of my posts where I advocate corruption and corrupt officials. The BIGGEST - I urge you to avoid sweeping accusations

                It can immediately disband the Investigative Committee, or even better, dismiss investigators who indiscriminately accuse "honest" officials and prosecutors. You read your posts again, maybe then you will see that you did not notice before.
                Quote: esaul
                At one time, I shared a link to a site about corruption. Apparently it was not interesting to you.

                You are not the last source of information, where can I get a link to a website on which there are also a lot of facts, will they also be called indiscriminate? Things should be called by their proper names — a thief is a thief and a thief should be in prison, regardless of family ties or what’s posts.
                1. Joker
                  Joker 7 December 2012 12: 11
                  +4
                  Well, you still have to fight, hot Finnish guys hi
                  And in fact, both are not right, because behind all these disputes they did not understand one thing, that in fact you have the same point of view, just voicing it in different ways. Valery considers everything more on the positive, and Alexander on the negative, that's all the difference, from which the essence does not change, I am also inclined to consider everything with a negative, so are we hi And honestly, the topic has become annoyed already, just well, the media likes to whip up the situation in Europe, they embellish, and on the contrary, don’t feed me with honey, give me some nasty things to write about the country, this is our mentality, we are attracted by more scandalous news than positive, there are of course exceptions, but such a minority, and an overwhelming one. As for Putin, I recently talk a lot about him, but in fact I don’t even have anything to say about him, something he does for the country, but everything is so intertwined with corruption in his surroundings and debilism that I can’t even say how I treat him more negatively or positively, I don’t have any personal complaints about his decisions and his actions, well, except for the WTO, but there are a huge number of complaints about his environment, which he himself appointed. And for the fact that they get up, he, too, must answer, to the trough, he allowed them, but in the end he exposes the type of not at all matters. In general, the impression is ambiguous and rather negative already, in the future something may change, but so far. Something I went away from the topic lol In general, do not swear, you are both good people drinks
                  1. esaul
                    esaul 7 December 2012 17: 06
                    0
                    Joker,
                    Greetings, Oleg. hi
                    Very happy for a healthy and calm comment. good
                    Quote: Joker
                    And the topic is honestly fed up already

                    I'm about the same, buddy.
                    Quote: Joker
                    but there are a huge number of complaints against his surroundings, which he himself appointed.

                    Accepted - flight. He himself has repeatedly spoken about this.
                    Quote: Joker
                    you are both good people

                    feel
              2. Ribwort
                Ribwort 7 December 2012 12: 14
                +7
                Quote: esaul
                ... I urge to avoid sweeping accusations.

                Good boy! It should be understood that only what is proved in court can be considered NOT a sweeping accusation? Well, well ... Let's imagine together how Serdyukov, Fursenko, Levitin, Nurgaliyev give evidence in court ... Hardly, sir? Hence, there is nothing to blame! Pure, like angels ...
                1. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 17: 00
                  0
                  Quote: Ribwort
                  Good boy!

                  Thank you, colleague! hi feel
                  Quote: Ribwort
                  It should be understood that only what is proved in court can be considered NOT a sweeping accusation?

                  Understand, colleague ...! wink Wow! Trick!
        2. MilaPhone
          MilaPhone 7 December 2012 07: 39
          +7
          Quote: esaul
          I have very big doubts that the author of this article is that Mikhail Zadornov,

          Perhaps this is Mikhail Mikhailovich Zadornov (b. 1963) - Russian economist and statesman, Minister of Finance of Russia in 1997-1999, deputy of the State Duma of Russia of the first and fourth convocations.
          1. esaul
            esaul 7 December 2012 07: 45
            -5
            Quote: Milafon
            Perhaps it is Mikhail Mikhailovich Zadornov (b. 1963)

            I welcome you, Michael and thank you for the information.
            Quote: Milafon
            Russian economist and statesman, Minister of Finance of Russia at 1997 — 1999,

            Now everything fell into place. This, it turns out, is one of that glorious cohort who stood up for the provision of any grants from Soros and Co., pulled his hand "For!" in polls to solicit money from the United States and jump from button to button in the boardroom, punching his way into a bright, carefree future somewhere in Switzerland and California ...
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 56
              +7
              Quote: esaul
              Now everything fell into place. This, it turns out, is one of that glorious cohort who stood up for the provision of any grants from Soros and Co., pulled his hand "For!

              No, it’s not him. The article was indeed written by Zadornov, a amorist, in the original source there is a link to the author with a photograph.
              1. esaul
                esaul 7 December 2012 08: 28
                -8
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                No, it’s not him. The article was indeed written by Zadornov, a amorist, in the original source, a link to the author with a photograph

                Thank you, Alexander. I only "clicked" before "... Komsomolets", but now I was curious and, indeed, - THAT! fellow
                Such an opus does not honor him, but there is a clear desire to please those who prefer to shout loudly that they are the most perspicacious and uncompromising. It would not hurt to recall, in this case, Zadornov's sprinkling of ashes on his head and penitential speeches addressed to the minke whales for calling them - "Well, stupid-s-ee ...!", In the hope of getting a visa. And after he was refused (vindictive, damn it!), To return to the beloved and knurled topic of American stupidity. And - nothing - in a blue eye amuses the people!
          2. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 58
            +7
            Quote: Milafon
            Perhaps this is Mikhail Mikhailovich Zadornov (b. 1963) - Russian economist and statesman, Minister of Finance of Russia in 1997-1999, deputy of the State Duma of Russia of the first and fourth convocations.

            No dear, the person you are talking about will not write such articles, because at the very stigma in the cannon.
            1. MilaPhone
              MilaPhone 7 December 2012 08: 06
              +3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              No, it’s not him. The article was indeed written by Zadornov, a amorist, in the original source there is a link to the author with a photograph.

              When a comedian begins to criticize power, he becomes a satirist.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 20
                +7
                Quote: Milafon

                When a comedian begins to criticize power, he becomes a satirist.

                But this does not change the essence of the article and does not whitewash the snickering thieves.
              2. baltika-18
                baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 17
                +7
                Quote: Milafon
                When a comedian begins to criticize power, he becomes a satirist

                And Zadornov in this case has long been a satirist.
            2. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 08: 42
              -3
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              No dear, the person you are talking about will not write such articles, because at the very stigma in the cannon.

              Well, you are not so naive, Alexander, to believe this ...! And Nemtsov, and Navalny, and Kasyanov, and Gudkov ... And everyone writes, they say, burn with a verb and brand ...! It's expensive! There’s a smelly flower garden and that’s all - wrestlers !!! There, Razvozzhaev, how broadly, boldly and firmly he stepped from the cat-dog with teenage acne to the assistant of the Deputat! Not horseradish from the mountain, sorry ...! Now it turns out that having received grandmothers from Georgians, he is immediately very informative invested them in the national cause - vacation with his girlfriend, without denying anything to himself ... The wisest politician, damn it ...! For one day, really.
              1. tambourine 2012
                tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 10: 16
                +5
                Quote: esaul
                Now it turns out that having received grandmothers from the Georgians, he immediately very meaningfully invested them in the national business - a vacation with his girlfriend, without denying anything to himself ... A wise politician, damn it ...!
                we also just now learned that Serdyukov not only reformed the army, but also his girls and new people will come and we will learn that the great all-around storks drove before wintering so that is not a correct comparison
                1. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 18: 44
                  -1
                  Quote: Tambourine 2012
                  we also just now learned that Serdyukov not only reformed the army, but also his girls and new people will come and we will learn that the great all-around storks drove before wintering so that is not a correct comparison

                  "So this is Chuck Barry ...! The Golden Age of the Tambourine ...! Come on, come on, colleague!" - dialogue from the show "Ural dumplings".

                  Sound out loud, buddy. Happy for you. drinks
        3. Magadan
          Magadan 7 December 2012 08: 00
          +3
          Alexander, so they bring it to this! No brainer
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 07
            +9
            Quote: Magadan
            Alexander, so they bring it to this

            yes, like the marsh and the like slandered the "honest and decent" Serdyukov and his harem. Do not worry, people can read and see everything.
        4. Gorchakov
          Gorchakov 7 December 2012 10: 53
          -7
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Only the slave will not be indignant, only the coward will be silent !!!

          And only an idiot will advise and be indignant without knowing the nuances of the criminal case and the final result .... Written sayings do not prove that they were written not by a slave and not a coward ... They prove that they are written by an empty bell and a critic ..... Not interfere with the investigation with your silly slogans and you will see the result ... Don’t make a tsar from the president, but from the secret services ... Everything should be in accordance with the law of the Russian Federation, and I have no doubt that it will be so ... Thieves will be in prison, otherwise there would be no command to stir up all this ... The President, instead of opening this abscess, has sufficient authority to hide all this ... However, this did not happen ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 11: 13
            +9
            Quote: Gorchakov
            And only an idiot will advise and resent not knowing the nuances of a criminal case

            That is, for you the official statements of the press service of the UK and the prosecutor’s office are empty words, and it is on this basis that they write comments and publish articles by various authors.
            Quote: Gorchakov
            . Do not interfere with the investigation with your silly slogans and you will see the result.

            I’m interfering with the investigation; you’ve just joked or how to understand this.
            Quote: Gorchakov
            .. Everything should be according to the law of the Russian Federation, and I have no doubt that it will be so

            I also had no doubt when they covered a gang of prosecutors, how naive I was.
            Quote: Gorchakov
            The president, instead of opening this abscess, has sufficient authority to hide all this ... However, this did not happen ...

            I agree that such a scale of theft is no longer possible to hide with all desire.
            1. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 18: 41
              -2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              That is, for you the official statements of the press service of the UK and the prosecutor’s office are empty

              Well, damn it, I am touched more and more ...!
              Recently, in one of the films, during the interrogation of the "enemy of the people" in 37th, he said in his hearts, Chito was like "You're wrong!" To which ENKVDshnik readily - "So, in your opinion, the Soviet government is not right for you, ?!"
              Ah yes Romanov! ... Ah yes the master ...! laughing
          2. Bigriver
            Bigriver 7 December 2012 15: 30
            0
            Gorchakov
            Thank you, comrade Gorchakov, for your sober voice!
            It seems that the expressed sober thoughts here become Courage :)
          3. olegyurjewitch
            olegyurjewitch 7 December 2012 22: 18
            +3
            Quote: Gorchakov
            .. Thieves will be in prison, otherwise there would be no command to stir up all this ... The President, instead of opening this abscess, has sufficient powers to hide all this ... However, this did not happen ...

            I would have constructed the last phrase a little differently - "However, it did not work out."
            How it is impossible to plant other exposed, the consequence, angry articles on this matter, and as a result, three years in a settlement colony, without confiscation. Have you ever heard that stolen millions returned to the treasury? Me not. And you, the result, it is precisely that the results are not adequate to the deed, so hang up the slogan or take off, everything is one, this is not a hindrance.
          4. Dubrovin
            Dubrovin 8 December 2012 17: 19
            +2
            That's right, everything must be according to the law, and the law must be fulfilled. An investigation is underway now. It is rather naive to judge the progress of the case from the media. The media have their own task - to "warm up" public opinion and, alas, to misinform. They have long become a kind of "mass disinformation". Let's wait for the result. But judging by the number of cases, processes unprecedented in the post-90s began.
        5. 11Goor11
          11Goor11 7 December 2012 14: 42
          -2
          "There is terrible corruption in Russia, why is this government not fighting corruption? !!"

          And so the government began to fight corruption

          "How dare this government allow such corruption? !! Where did it look before? !!"

          Here is a brief summary of the article - a solid tantrum.
          1. ozs
            ozs 7 December 2012 17: 29
            +3
            What kind of nonsense? The main message of the article is that it is necessary to punish not only performers, but also customers.
            1. 11Goor11
              11Goor11 7 December 2012 18: 09
              -2
              ozs
              The main message of the article is that it is necessary to punish not only performers, but also customers.

              "You give more revolutions, good and different!"
              "Russia will rise from sleep and our names will be written on the wreckage of autocracy!"
              Yes you are almost singing! But the lyrics do not understand the consequences of their spiritual impulses.
              And the real customers of revolutions are sitting overseas. And their conductors are NGOs
              The Carnegie Moscow Center makes predictions about the triple crisis and revolution in Russia

              Well, they can't wait to bring the implementation of "prophecies" closer
              1. ozs
                ozs 7 December 2012 18: 22
                +4
                Yes, where does NPO and revolution.
                The thing is much simpler and this is obvious even to a specialist.
                No need to look for a black cat in a dark room if she is not there at all.

                It was decided to make money on the assets of the Moscow Region, so they put the financier. Well, he sold, and when he sold everything, they decided to raise his rating as well. They took and merged the feldmebel girls. At the same time they killed two birds with one stone, privatized the army and raised their ratings.
      2. vlad_pr
        vlad_pr 7 December 2012 07: 42
        +8
        Quote: esaul
        title deeds on the terminal are ALREADY removed from the Registration Chamber and the transaction will be canceled
        need to add - maybe. Since if the defendants in the criminal case are acquitted, the transaction will be recognized as valid. Alas.
        Sincerely.
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 08: 13
          +1
          Quote: vlad_pr
          need to add - maybe

          Greetings, Vladislav. Then you still need to clarify - maybe that? - that the documents have been seized and transactions will be canceled or that a return "back" is possible?
          If according to the terminal, then even if the defendants are acquitted (which is very doubtful since Smetanova gave confessions and is merging the company with might and main, and Vasilyeva, saving her own skin, is actively draining the "daddy"), the transaction on the object has already been canceled and declared illegal. The case will not be reversed.
        2. alexng
          alexng 7 December 2012 12: 36
          0
          Since if the defendants in the criminal case are acquitted, the transaction will be recognized as valid.


          In any case, the transaction will be canceled, so burdened with legal proceedings. Well, if they justify it, which is unlikely, then the deal will have to be concluded anew, only who will allow it to repeat "Groundhog Day".
          So "no, grandma - she died so."
      3. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 07: 51
        +20
        It is only with acne that you have to wait until they ripen, you need to fight corruption from the very first moment, and not wait for everyone to plunder!
        It was already noted here that a certain esaul temporarily disappeared from the air, but with a noticeable decline in the company of revelations in the higher spheres, with the gradual transfer of arrows to the lower levels, he perked up and again began to speak in the spirit of the cat Leopold, that we must live together, not spoil the fever , and calmly observe how people continue to steal and saw ...
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 08: 06
          -10
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          It was already noted here that a certain esaul temporarily disappeared from the air, but with a noticeable decline in the company of revelations in the higher spheres, with the gradual transfer of arrows to the lower levels, he perked up and again began to speak in the spirit of the cat Leopold that we must live together, not spoil the fever ,

          Oh, what insight! laughing
          I'm not going to make excuses to a certain Sarych, where I was and what I did. Unlike some Sarych, I don’t have much time to bomb on the clave - we’re working ... but we don’t start squabbles on the Internet.
          I admit - flattering, flattering, that they did not forget me during my absence. But, I have to grieve - I’ll appear as rarely and, as it turned out, after the New Year’s festivities. Cases, you know ... The collective has families, and families ask for food ...
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          It is only with acne that you have to wait until they ripen, you need to fight corruption from the very first moment, and not wait for everyone to plunder!

          Apparently you are good at it, since you know how to deal with acne. It seems not a teenager ... Then I can assume - worms and, as Okhlobystin says in "Interns" (What a nasty film and a hero! - my opinion, not imposed on anyone) - "Definitely!"
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 09: 43
            +10
            And to me your excuses are unnecessary, even if you will ...
            Do not think that someone missed you - they usually do not get bored on the Internet ...
            And what about worms? Is that how you characterize me? Or is it not necessary to fight them? Well, your will - walk in acne and with full well ... these same inhabitants - only we should not be called for this ...
          2. tambourine 2012
            tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 09: 46
            +8
            Quote: esaul
            I'm not going to make excuses to a certain Sarych, where I was and what I did. Unlike some Sarych, I don’t have much time to bomb on the clave - we’re working ... but we don’t start squabbles on the Internet.
            I admit - flattering, flattering, that they did not forget me during my absence. But, I have to grieve - I’ll appear as rarely and, as it turned out, after the New Year’s festivities. Cases, you know ... The collective has families, and families ask for food ...

            And the rest here are all idlers and live on grants from abroad thanks for explaining
            1. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 17: 22
              0
              Quote: esaul
              Unlike some Sarych, I don’t have much time to bomb on the clave - we’re working ... but we don’t start squabbles on the Internet.

              Quote: Tambourine 2012
              And the rest here are all idlers and live on grants from abroad thanks for explaining

              Catch the difference, colleague?
          3. Yarbay
            Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 20
            +10
            Quote: esaul
            I'm not going to make excuses to a certain Sarych, where I was and what I did.

            Hello Valery!
            It seems to me that you just have to have a conscience!
            You used to think that all Putin’s ministers are saints, and Putin’s archangel !!
            People have told you more than once here that they consider Putin’s personnel policy to say the least erroneous, what did you answer to now, would you suggest someone better? They say everyone has mistakes !! For 10 years, it’s time for the authorities to learn not to make such mistakes !! Among the 100 million citizens of Russia there are a huge number of worthy and competent people who can rule your country !!
            Who was Putin before being elected President ??
            How did you feel that he is the best ??
            What did he manage before this ?? Or was he a leader from birth?
            No need to nod in the direction of Sarych or Romanov, you just need to be honest, and not curry favor and bow to those in power, so that maybe they notice, they suddenly notice !!
            1. Bigriver
              Bigriver 7 December 2012 18: 32
              0
              Yarbay

              I apologize for the invasion of a personal conversation;)) Yeah? ..
              1. Whose personnel policy in the history of RI do you personally consider exemplary, and why?
              2. Do you think that the President, the Head of the Supreme Council, is really capable of making ANY decisions?
              1. Yarbay
                Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 50
                +3
                Quote: BigRiver
                I apologize for the invasion of a personal conversation;)) Yeah? ..
                1. Whose personnel policy in the history of RI do you personally consider exemplary, and why?
                2. Do you think that the President, the Head of the Supreme Council, is really capable of making ANY decisions?

                No apologies, everything is fine, we are here just for communication!
                1. in a draw, because everyone handed over power to each other and put the interests of oligarchs close to themselves at the forefront, moreover, created these oligarchs, brought the country into the abyss of corruption and lawlessness!
                2. Undoubtedly, he must have organizational skills, select staff and strictly control their activities, which is now much easier than 50 years ago !!
                with respect!
                1. Cavas
                  Cavas 7 December 2012 19: 13
                  +3
                  Quote: Yarbay
                  1. in a draw, because everyone handed over power to each other and put the interests of oligarchs close to themselves at the forefront, moreover, created these oligarchs, brought the country into the abyss of corruption and lawlessness!


                  ..People are weak, people are herd. People who shoot others in the back, people who betray each other, not even for profit, but simply because they are too lazy to think about the consequences and generally about anything, are also people. Does this mean that there are extraordinary people and there is a herd, and you need to love the extraordinary and hate the herd? AND? Maybe the Creator loves the extraordinary, but the flock doesn’t give a damn to Him? Does this mean that the herd must be treated just like the herd, and on this finally build the very ideal society that everyone is talking about? For each representative of the herd - is not a potential criminal worthy of blame and punishment, maybe even for the future? AND? What are these reptiles to regret? Cowardly, corrupt, and dumb? Petty, greedy and cruel? Allies of children, bloodsuckers, murderers? ...

                  © V. Romanovsky "Three Kingdoms: Year of the Mammoth".
                  1. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 December 2012 19: 27
                    +4
                    Quote: Cavas
                    V. Romanovsky "Three Kingdoms: Year of the Mammoth".
                    I understood your idea, but I can not agree with this!
                    Since 28 years old, I have been working and work as a boss in various industries!
                    Twice refused to lead this or that unit because he knew that there were problems that I could not solve, and I did not want to blush for anyone for my work!
                    When there are untouchables in submission, as in those cases, then the person must decide one thing, is it worth it to mess?
                    I believe that a person should never refuse a proposal to lead if there are no unacceptable conditions, since only after working can you understand whether you can manage it or not, but at the same time you need to soberly evaluate it in the course of work — whether you are doing it or not and make honest decisions before yourself!
                    It’s not customary to resign, it’s wrong !!
                    1. Cavas
                      Cavas 7 December 2012 19: 59
                      +3
                      Quote: Yarbay
                      When there are untouchables in submission, as in those cases, then the person must decide one thing, is it worth it to mess?
                      I believe that a person should never refuse a proposal to lead if there are no unacceptable conditions, since only after working can you understand whether you can manage it or not, but at the same time you need to soberly evaluate it in the course of work — whether you are doing it or not and make honest decisions before yourself!

                      Yes, but there is such a thing as homeland and patriotism.
                      For many people, "Motherland" is such an important, significant component of their life that they are ready to give up the instinct of self-preservation, sacrificing themselves in the name of the Motherland.
                      The essence of true patriotism lies in selfless love and service to the Motherland!

                      Two feelings are marvelously close to us
                      They find food in the heart:
                      Love for the native ashes
                      Love for fatherly coffins.

                      AS Pushkin
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 7 December 2012 20: 18
                        +6
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Yes, but there is such a thing as homeland and patriotism.

                        Totally agree!
                        But what Putin and Medvedev say that Serdyukov was a very successful and effective minister is patriotism?
                      2. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 20: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Totally agree!
                        But what Putin and Medvedev say that Serdyukov was a very successful and effective minister is patriotism?

                        Alibek, do not distort.
                        DEM yes, that’s what I said, GDP said something else.



                        And what did he say wrong here?

                        Alibek, you are an experienced fox and you can’t get you with the agitation of the West! laughing
                        The West acts only on fragile minds!
                        laughing
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 December 2012 12: 48
                        +3
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Alibek, do not distort.

                        I wrote many times here that as a person I respect Putin!
                        I am impressed by his courage, the ability to be friends, but as the leader of a large state, his actions are wrong for me!
                        Quote: Cavas
                        DEM yes, it said

                        I give a LOT to a Larger Putin too!
                        Quote: Cavas
                        GDP said another.

                        I don’t see a huge difference!
                      4. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 12: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I wrote many times here that as a person I respect Putin!

                        This is good! laughing

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I am impressed by his courage, the ability to be friends, but as the leader of a large state, his actions are wrong for me!

                        Alibek, the one who does nothing is not mistaken!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I give a LOT to a Larger Putin too!

                        DAM was needed as a case, to the best of its own, but the liberal wing was more attracted to it, that's the mistake of DAM and its political death!
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        I don’t see a huge difference!

                        The whole world sees, and you suddenly started to get ill with myopia! laughing
                        Do not dissemble, it does not suit you! hi
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 December 2012 13: 30
                        +4
                        Quote: Cavas
                        The whole world sees, and you suddenly started to get ill with myopia

                        It seems to me that there is an agreement between them on how to behave and that nothing is done spontaneously, just like the way they agreed on the elections!
                        Agree that things like power and its sharing do not trust anyone!
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Do not dissemble, it does not suit you!

                        In life, I try to stay away from guile, and in communication with you I will never allow myself this!
                      6. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 13: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        It seems to me that there is an agreement between them on how to behave and that nothing is done spontaneously, just like the way they agreed on the elections!

                        The king cannot negotiate with the serf!

                        What a shame sometimes
                        That the owner is not visible:
                        Up and into the dark thread goes.
                        And the dolls are so obedient to him,
                        And we believe ingenuously
                        In what the doll can say.


                        And then the doll decided to go on its own, relying on the liberal wing, which will devour it and throw it away like an unnecessary rag.

                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Agree that things like power and its sharing do not trust anyone

                        There will be no sharing, the owner has returned, and the case will be thrown to the far shelf, suddenly come in handy ?! laughing

                        But the owner extinguishes the candles -
                        The ball is over and the evening is over
                        The month will shine in the clouds ...
                        And the dolls will be removed from the string of long
                        And falling asleep with mothballs,
                        In the form of rags folded in chests.
                      7. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 8 December 2012 14: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Cavas
                        And then the doll decided to go on its own, relying on the liberal wing, which will devour it and throw it away like an unnecessary rag.

                        if this is an incessant incineration, then you have to be a very short-sighted person to go for such a conspiracy in Russia, especially since Kasyanov’s example is before your eyes !!
                      8. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 17: 40
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        if this is an incessant incineration, then you have to be a very short-sighted person to go for such a conspiracy in Russia, especially since Kasyanov’s example is before your eyes !!

                        Perhaps in Russia no one has yet canceled.
              2. Odessa
                Odessa 7 December 2012 18: 52
                +4
                Bigriver,
                Do you think that the President, the Head of the Supreme Council, is really capable of making ANY decisions?

                That's why he and the president, in order to make decisions, including any.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 09
          +6
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          Brother Sarych

          Not often agree with you Brother, but here +. drinks
          1. esaul
            esaul 7 December 2012 08: 56
            -4
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Not often agree with you Brother, but here +.

            How to grill - "Fisherman fisherman ..." wink
      4. Magadan
        Magadan 7 December 2012 07: 59
        +3
        Yes, except for clowns making up themselves, they can’t do anything.
        It’s just like everyone turned - and then the jamb of Putin and there. In a word, such a hint that the guys started in vain cleaning, they say they are scorching in full.
        For me it's better late than never.
        At least Serdyukov did not stand close to Chubais. Not the consequences. Well, let's hang on all the dogs to Stalin because of General Vlasov!
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 33
          +4
          Quote: Magadan
          - and here the jamb of Putin and there.
          At least Serdyukov did not stand close to Chubais.

          Dear Magadan!
          Is anyone here saying that Chubais is better ???
          Well, are we Chubais appointed Minister ?? It was we appointed him the head of a huge industry or Putin ??
          If he is worse than Serdyukov, why is he still not sitting ??
          Why is wise Putin appointing him to high positions ?? So Putin considers him one of the best or afraid ??
          Quote: Magadan
          Well, let's hang on all the dogs to Stalin because of General Vlasov!
          Let's learn how to separate flies from cutlets !!
          Stalin scoundrels and traitors hung publicly !!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 8 December 2012 00: 17
            0
            Quote: Yarbay
            Stalin scoundrels and traitors hung publicly !!
            - Well, yes, there are such shots on YouTube. Villagers gather, laughter, tear the button accordion, dovachki flirt. At a merry spectacle gathered. Children run. Only one stands in a leather jacket, the view is all from itself, it casts an eyebrow frowningly, pathos like that. And five or six men with loops on their necks in the back of a Zis-5. Then this one in the jacket say something, he says for a long time, then the ZiSs drive off, they twitch on the ropes. Fun, laughter. In general, it is certainly correct for that time. Only now is not that time and I wouldn’t want my children to go to such a spectacle and so be delighted to see the agony of a recently living being. I am glad for you, Yarbai, that it will give you pleasure, probably, in the Armenian-Azerbaijani war, they discovered it in themselves and this is not enough for you. Just don’t bring it to Russia and generally to the post-Soviet space, have fun with yourself like that. Both in Russia and in the post-Soviet space, the 21st century is in the yard, I don’t know which one you have there.
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 8 December 2012 08: 43
              +1
              Quote: aksakal
              Just do not bring it to Russia ... in the post-Soviet space, the 21st century in the yard

              In which murderers, rapists, and terrorists are kept for life by taxpayers. In which gays and transvestites parade, promoting unconventional foundations. In which national wealth and industry, created by generations of our ancestors, are divided among themselves by a narrow circle of people. In which all kinds of scum are being stolen by billions, being confident, and not without reason, that they will absolutely nothing for it ... You can continue for a long time. But for me, this is not progress, but final degradation. I want to age 20!
            2. Yarbay
              Yarbay 8 December 2012 12: 44
              +2
              Quote: aksakal
              well, there are such shots on YouTube

              In my opinion, we talked about traitors like Vlasov !!
              After all, you yourself cited the example of Vlasov, and Stalin hung him!
              Therefore, your reasoning about people in a leather jacket is the usual demagogy of a man who has sat down in a puddle!
              Quote: aksakal
              so that my children would go to such a sight and so be delighted to see, seeing the agony of a recently living being

              And you do not let your children into such a spectacle, then you and the father!
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 10 December 2012 13: 04
                0
                Quote: Yarbay
                And you do not let your children into such a spectacle, then you and the father!

                - I did not deny the execution, I denied the public - but this is useless, that’s all. Even adults do not need to watch it. There are experts, even if they do, as well as who is nearby - a doctor to fix the death, the prosecutor and others. People have enough messages, who are interested in, can watch the video.
      5. Bigriver
        Bigriver 7 December 2012 08: 09
        -1
        esaul
        Some crap: /
        Esaul, I pressed you +, you jumped out "-": //
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 39
          +13
          Quote: BigRiver
          Esaul, I pressed you +, you jumped out "-": //

          the system knows to whom and what to put wink
        2. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 09: 00
          -1
          Quote: BigRiver
          Esaul, I pressed you +, you jumped out "-": //

          Greetings, Vladimir! hi Don't worry, buddy. This means that before that, two of the compassionate ones clicked on the minus and your plus, according to the laws of mathematics, was "extinguished". Believe me, I was quite expecting the "reddening" of my post, so to me it is purple. Thank you for your support, buddy. Plus to you. drinks
      6. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 12
        +8
        Quote: esaul
        I have very big doubts that the author of this article is the one Mikhail Zadornov whom we know from the stage.

        I personally have no doubts. Look, do not be lazy at his performances at concerts that do not show on TV. You will understand a lot of how Zadornov relates to power, to the situation in the country. Plus, definitely. And I want to remind you if you forgot the February 2007 appointment Serdyukov by Putin’s decree a year before the presidential election.
        Quote: esaul
        Serdyukov did not become in the ministerial chair - a favorite topic was gone. So that (God forbid!) The topic of the crime of power does not come to naught, we need to urgently find new pain points, otherwise they may forget that there are true fighters for the good of the people!
        But we must talk about this constantly, do not forget that we would not let the brakes go from the authorities.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 09: 35
          +7
          Quote: baltika-18
          Look, don't be lazy

          Nikolay, it makes no sense to turn to the blind, he still will not see.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 7 December 2012 10: 06
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Nikolay, it makes no sense to turn to the blind, he still will not see.

            Sasha, age and conscience are not allowed to remain silent.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 10: 22
              +5
              Quote: baltika-18
              conscience does not allow

              This is just what very much is missing in our time. Because of its absence, what happens is happening. Only not everyone likes to talk about it. I remember some officials also ran away from the cameras, stealing through their lawyers, they made expressions about innocence.
      7. tambourine 2012
        tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 09: 26
        +5
        Quote: esaul
        So that (God forbid!) The topic of the crime of power does not come to naught,
        And what about the rest of the exemplary guys? Do not worry, God will not let go of the topic of crime of power: - (((
      8. Ribwort
        Ribwort 7 December 2012 12: 07
        +4
        Quote: esaul
        I just want to add that Putin probably knew about the growing abuses ... but did not consider the situation at that time "ripe" enough.

        Let's return to the analogies: If in your house a certain person close to you starts selling property, driving whores, etc., how long will it take for you to consider the situation "mature enough"? laughing
      9. Uncle
        Uncle 7 December 2012 14: 37
        +2
        Quote: esaul
        Such frankly bile passages, as in this article, are not from a great mind, but from the fear of letting go of your hands a thread for which you can pull the readers, playing on their indignation with Serdyukov’s crimes. Serdyukov did not become in the ministerial chair - a favorite topic was gone.

        I agree, by the way, the author did not answer the question that he himself asked, who put it, stool.
      10. esaul
        esaul 7 December 2012 16: 53
        -1
        Hello everyone, again, today! hi
        In fact, I got stuck with the minuses, at this point - already 31sht. ! This, apparently, from true patriots who are very concerned about the personal lives of other people, their dirty laundry, booze and grunt (as Esther once put it) and who believe (yes no, they know!) that only they know how and who should govern the state, and they themselves are immaculate and crystal clear swans ...
        The guys who really think with their heads and wish for the good of the country are not you. With your tantrums, you create the prerequisites for Russia to have its own Tahrir Square and its own Mursi ...!
        Or do you think emotions dominate politics? Politics are made by the brains that those who have (thank you, colleagues! drinks !), softened the negative blow for me, and, as you may not be pleased to hear, gentlemen, the minus signers, Putin’s! And your tantrums-not an indicator of popular opinion! This is a slice, by the way, that doesn't smell very good.
        Glad to talk gentlemen and as a polyglot wink Polyglot Romanov (who is fluent in Khryantsensky belay ) I say (but in Italian - “Arrivederci, seniors!” I am in a great mood today. This is probably because today I received a letter from one of the members of the forum, humanly intelligent and benevolent. But for me, it’s all the same that Romanov LITER mead roll! All the very best, dr-r-uzya drinks
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 16: 59
          +2
          Quote: esaul
          In fact, I got stuck with the minuses, at this point - as much as 31pcs.

          32, for the mead that I hate belay
      11. ozs
        ozs 7 December 2012 17: 19
        +4
        What are you talking about now?
        They put a man to sell off the property of the army, he did it successfully. And when he completed the task, they decided to raise their rating in the eyes of idiots who believed in feldmebels and a government that is trying for the good of the people.
        The funny thing is that not so long ago, many reputable visitors to this site defended the feldmebel. And they justified his abandonment to the position of MO, so that he had to correct his mistakes. It was generally the height of cretinism. As well as now, when everyone understands perfectly well with whose supply the army was selling and who really bears responsibility for this.

        Continue to believe in evil boyars and an honest king, and simultaneously rejoice at unit deliveries to the army and fairy tales about 2020.
    3. Blackscorp
      Blackscorp 7 December 2012 08: 02
      +11
      Why do we need empty words like "excuse me", "excuse me" ..... I remember one, too, before the new year said so, even let out a tear, but somehow his "forgive me" made me neither hot nor cold ... ..So here, the best "excuse me" is to put all these bastards .... kov and bl ... th until the end of their lives with the complete confiscation of their property and their closest relatives, and even to their relatives 10 years old for assistance ... ... yes, return everything sold to the state .... That's when you can say "sorry"
    4. s1н7т
      s1н7т 7 December 2012 08: 33
      +6
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Maybe now Putin will see clearly

      Are you serious ?! laughing
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 47
        +7
        Quote: c1n7
        Are you serious?

        Well, what does he essentially have to do? To pretend that there was nothing, then he himself would bring millions out onto the streets with his own hands, but these would not be marshy, but those who had cast their votes in the elections.
        1. EropMyxoMop
          EropMyxoMop 7 December 2012 10: 51
          +8
          http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/901/nknb177.jpg
        2. s1н7т
          s1н7т 8 December 2012 11: 37
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, what does he essentially have to do?

          I thought you had a better opinion of your "chosen one"! laughing
          It remains for him to continue to do what he has done so far, otherwise he will lose everything - his own will be overthrown.
    5. military
      military 7 December 2012 10: 03
      +8
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Maybe now Putin will see clearly

      aha yes suddenly... what
    6. S_mirnov
      S_mirnov 7 December 2012 12: 31
      +11
      And it’s useless to ask the Russians for forgiveness of GDP, our people will not forgive such scum. And to wait for him to see better also does not make sense. The removal of Taburetkin should have ended with the term for Taburetkin in the Kolyma, and so all this pampering.
      1. Uncle
        Uncle 7 December 2012 14: 44
        +1
        Quote: S_mirnov
        The removal of Taburetkin should have ended with the term for Taburetkin in the Kolyma, and so all this pampering.
        I do not believe in it, everything will get away with it, Malech will shake the guts, he will unfasten the dough and sink into oblivion.
        1. in reserve
          in reserve 7 December 2012 17: 09
          +1
          ... And I would like to see how Serdyukov returns to the zone to the labor skills of youth, to the stools. True vocation - it is more expensive than the title!


          This is the case, and we don’t need your forgiveness, but Serdyukov is obliged to answer.
      2. not good
        not good 7 December 2012 21: 41
        0
        Throughout our history, only one person from the government had the conscience to ask for forgiveness from the country. Apparently, after many years of drunken fervor, having looked around, Yeltsin felt ashamed of people, and he apologized and resigned. So before apologizing to people, it’s necessary to find this conscience, and where does the thieves have a conscience. They don’t see people in the Russians either. When there is a hole in the place of conscience, and instead of God’s pocket, it’s not people and it’s necessary to root them out of power.
      3. Magadan
        Magadan 8 December 2012 05: 18
        0
        Here I agree with you and I’ll press plus. I’ll only clarify that GDP itself don't scum Although I vote for the Communist Party. It is time to leave that the ruler is fashionable and cool. Especially now, when the movement towards 37 years for thugs in power began
    7. Sasha 19871987
      Sasha 19871987 11 December 2012 17: 40
      0
      yes, the frayer's greed destroyed ...
  2. Vanek
    Vanek 7 December 2012 06: 52
    +7
    I managed to deceive from under Serdyukov and lay down under the Russian Railways.

    Or maybe like that Tatyana? On the way, and high with her.

    Apologize? Yeah, right now. He threw everything and ran to apologize. They take it off, take it off there. Can you change your mind?
    1. Karish
      Karish 7 December 2012 08: 08
      +5
      Quote: Vanek
      Apologize? Yeah, right now. He threw everything and ran to apologize. They take it off, take it off there. Can you change your mind?

      They kind of apologized, but the people seemed to believe laughing
      And in the country everything seemed to change immediately
    2. Dimych
      Dimych 7 December 2012 08: 32
      +3
      And what about Tatyana? Maybe, anyway, Anna?
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 7 December 2012 08: 49
        +1
        Well, what are you picking on the words smile
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 49
        +2
        Quote: Dimych
        Maybe, anyway, Anna?

        And Anna, along with her, in addition. To Karenina change her name and ........... our paravoz fly forward belay
  3. Pit
    Pit 7 December 2012 07: 03
    -12
    Empty article. Thinking in the kitchen with a neighbor ...
    1. smel
      smel 7 December 2012 07: 24
      +20
      Empty article. [I
      Well, why is it empty? The accents are right. Ved Serdyukov didn’t climb into this chair himself. He came out of power and thanks to her, having made a glorious path in the footsteps of his father-in-law. It was necessary to highlight this point too.
      Anyway, what is “corruption?” If the head of the presidential administration himself becomes the president, and then his head of administration changes that one in the same post, is it corruption or continuity, is it secrecy, clannishness or a manifestation of democratic principles ???
      1. Pit
        Pit 7 December 2012 10: 16
        0
        Quote: smel
        Emphasis is set correctly.


        Well, yes, the emphasis is set correctly. That's just everyone has long known about this and nothing new and constructive article in itself does not odd.
      2. military
        military 7 December 2012 11: 04
        +5
        Quote: smel
        having made a glorious path

        from an ordinary sperm to the Minister of Defense of a nuclear power ... winked
    2. Magadan
      Magadan 7 December 2012 08: 01
      0
      Pete, I pounded you, but something minus got out. I'm sorry. Nonsense!!!
  4. Ash
    Ash 7 December 2012 07: 26
    +2
    I’m sure that if Prokhorov came to power, only the actors would change, and theft would continue to flourish, it would only be called something like fulfilling obligations to the United States on the path to world peace. So before scolding Putin (who , of course, far from ideal) think about who would do better. Zyuganov, who came under the same banner with homosexuals and other glamorous Muscovites on Bolotnaya? Or Mironov and Yavlinsky, who sent authorized representatives to the US ambassador for further instructions? That's just the same ...
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 07: 37
      +14
      Quote: Ash
      So before scolding Putin (

      Dear, I voted for Putin, and I, as a Russian citizen casting my vote for him, expect him to work and the results of the fight against corruption about which he talked so much. I spit on Prokhorov and everyone else, Putin is the president of Russia, and he is in demand .
      1. smel
        smel 7 December 2012 09: 06
        +3
        I voted for Putin
        And I did not vote for him ... But he is the President, including mine and my children and parents. I would like to hope that he will succeed in making the country prosperous and the population happy. But the past 13 years in power, apart from the redistribution of the country's wealth, seats and the authorities for his former entourage so far have not given anything positive from my point of view. Yes, of course, he stopped terrorism a little, yes, he bought the Caucasus once again, yes, he began to fight corruption (which he himself created), yes, he stably pays pensions are scanty, but at the same time, the country's degradation, the export of capital, the death rate of the population are growing, education, culture, defense, health care is bent. You can end only with Biblical words - "Blessed is he who believes" did not answer, then even now only a naive person can hope for fair demand
    2. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 07: 39
      -2
      Quote: Ash
      So before scolding Putin (which, of course, is far from ideal), think about who would do better.

      Stopudovo support your words, colleague.
      1. Karish
        Karish 7 December 2012 08: 11
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Putin is the president of Russia, and there is demand from him.

        Stopudovo support your words, !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 22
          +1
          Quote: Karish
          Stopudovo support your words, !!

          it’s a pity that not everyone reaches + mutually.
      2. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 26
        +14
        Quote: esaul

        Quote: Ash
        So before scolding Putin (which, of course, is far from ideal), think about who would do better.
        Stopudovo support your words, colleague.

        He’s been doing something all the time for 12 years. But for some reason, he’s not getting better from these things, but often worse.
    3. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 07: 54
      +4
      And we do not know who would do better - for this we had to at least try! And then see what came of it ...
      1. esaul
        esaul 7 December 2012 09: 30
        -2
        Quote: Brother Sarich
        for this it was necessary to at least try!

        So propose your candidacy! The people will pull up and "you will be judged according to your deeds ...!" fellow
        1. tambourine 2012
          tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 09: 52
          +8
          Quote: esaul
          So propose your candidacy! The people will pull up and "you will be judged according to your deeds ...!"
          but don’t have to mock, maybe he would be the best just don’t let me even register
        2. Brother Sarych
          Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 14: 33
          +1
          Who is your extreme kings? Well, then I'm the first so far ...
          smile
          1. Tatanka Yotanka
            Tatanka Yotanka 7 December 2012 19: 40
            +1
            Quote: Brother Sarich
            Who is your extreme kings? Well, then I'm the first so far ...

            Chur I turn - the second
            From this site-wide gang
            I will not be king, the demand is great
            Appoint Propoganda Minister

            Let it be like before, get up,
            - “Monarchs must be praised”
            O Sarych-father, our king
            I'll glands to tear fellow
    4. Alexss
      Alexss 7 December 2012 08: 10
      +10
      Look in the wrong direction, remember the end of the 80s and the beginning of the 90s, politicians were "at least chew on the taste and color," but now either the pro-Putin assholes or all kinds of trash like bulk and Nemtsov! And then the latter exist only because the former are interested in them. And the normal opposition with the help of the guardsmen in the mass media is spreading rot even at the germination, and if suddenly this does not help, the guardsmen from the organs come to the rescue
      1. Vanek
        Vanek 7 December 2012 08: 30
        0
        Quote: AlexSS
        and now either


        Maybe enough already

        Quote: AlexSS
        80s early 90s politicians


        remember? Yes, there was everything with us. Times are changing, people are changing ....... Yes, everything is changing. No, I do not urge to forget what happened. But trindet about it on every corner is also not necessary.
      2. Rowicz
        Rowicz 7 December 2012 08: 31
        +1
        example please ....... normal opposition
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 09: 50
          0
          Vanek,
          Rowicz,
          Greetings, colleagues. hi
          Quote: Rowicz
          Maybe enough already

          And then what will they have to talk about? About successes is boring .. About the fact that the Army is arming itself - the same ... The appropriate people will not understand and will not appreciate it. But blowing on a grouse breast and making a louder sound is the thing!
          Quote: Rowicz
          example please ....... normal opposition

          But this is the problem. It's easier to shout - "Down with everyone! I alone know how and who to lead!" and watch with satisfaction how people mutuz each other.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 7 December 2012 15: 56
            +2
            Quote: esaul
            And then what will they have to talk about? Success is boring.

            Why? Share your successes, personally I will only be glad if somewhere, something is still built, works. I just want to warn the word "will", screwdriver assembly, shopping malls, spas, legal advice does not count.
        2. EropMyxoMop
          EropMyxoMop 7 December 2012 11: 28
          +17

          example please ....... normal opposition

          Yes, no problem, Mikhail Gennadievich Delyagin is perhaps the best economist in modern Russia, a socialist. He was promised to be the Zhirik in the elections by the Minister of Economics. Truth, Mikhail said that with a fat on one hectare, it’s not enough to sit down to work. Being president does not mean to understand everything best of all, it means appointing specialists to the respective posts. Min.econom-Delyagin, min.defense and just a patriot of any kind thinking patriot even though Kvachkova, he certainly will not steal and ruin the army, and so there are plenty of smart and honest people in Roosia. they are not allowed to power, in the same place, the great Vova, he flies and dives and breaks assholes, and the country is ruled by thieves and traitors.http: //topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/707/hdco518. jpg
          1. bokorezzz
            bokorezzz 10 December 2012 13: 50
            +1
            we don’t need any war, the guys friendly in 2 hours passed Kiev and we are in the Stavropol region without a fight and everything is in order with us the minister knows how to make stools the main reformer nano lamps Tajiks build duvalls taxes are sawn and gold toilet bowls are bought in bulk and everything else is fine
      3. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 29
        +6
        Quote: AlexSS
        and now, either Pro-Putin residents or any other rabble like bulk and Nemtsov! And then the latter exist only because the former are interested in them

        But this is what they say in the top ten. And if you take the Duma opposition, it’s generally a farce.
      4. esaul
        esaul 7 December 2012 09: 33
        -6
        Quote: AlexSS
        and now, either Pro-Putin residents or any other rabble like bulk and Nemtsov!

        "Whose will you be?" For others, you have not left a place, unfortunately ... what There remains a true place for the orange coalition ...
    5. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 09: 38
      +5
      the whole point is to show the "electorate" that there are no such people capable of replacing the great. Looking at our football teams, you will not have an idea of ​​the national composition of the Russian Federation
  5. Magadan
    Magadan 7 December 2012 07: 54
    +3
    Quote: Eagle Owl
    Do not believe in the tale about "the good Tsar whom the evil boyars are deceiving."

    And then what about Caesar, whom Brutus stabbed to death? Maybe Caesar was a loshara at all?
    It's a fairy tale that one "good tsar" can get into the heads of several hundred "boyars" from his inner circle, as if it's ridiculous to believe.
    Examples of how "boyars" seemed good, but they turned out to be scum as much as necessary. Boyarin Told that Pskov surrendered, was a direct subordinate of Nevsky. Maybe Nevsky was bad? And General Vlasov? Him personally Stalin knew! Stalin, too, could have been a bad ruler?
    Stop singing your mantras about "the king and about the boyars"
    1. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 08: 33
      0
      Quote: Magadan
      And then what to say about Caesar, whom Brutus stabbed to death? Maybe Caesar was generally a loshara? It's a fairy tale that one "good tsar" can get into the heads of several hundred "boyars" from his inner circle, as if it's ridiculous to believe. Examples of how "boyars" seemed good, but they turned out to be scum as much as necessary. Boyarin Told that Pskov surrendered, was a direct subordinate of Nevsky. Maybe Nevsky was bad? And General Vlasov? Stalin knew him personally! Stalin, too, may have been a bad ruler? Stop singing your mantras about "the king and about the boyars"

      WelcomeMagadan,
      and thank you for the comment. Shine! good
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 43
        +6
        Quote: esaul
        GreetingsMagadan
        and thank you for the comment. Shine!

        It’s rather darkness. negative
        1. military
          military 7 December 2012 11: 11
          +1
          Quote: baltika-18
          It’s rather darkness.

          the movie was like that ... "Shine and poverty courtesans "... recourse
      2. Magadan
        Magadan 7 December 2012 11: 01
        0
        Thank you Esaul, a long time ago you were not visible. wink

        And such articles must of course be read. We started cleaning, and I don't like it. Like, "the fight is between the clans." Yes, for me at least a ritual sacrifice, if only the thief was in prison
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 11: 16
          +3
          Quote: Magadan
          And such articles must of course be bitten.

          And what is there to explain to her, the essence is the same - the court must sit in prison, with which you actually agree.
        2. military
          military 7 December 2012 12: 20
          +5
          Quote: Magadan
          We started cleaning, and this is not like it. Yes, for me, at least a ritual sacrifice, if only a thief in prison

          Вор he won’t go to jail ... No. and on the sacrificial altar there will not be anyone larger than a skinny chicken ... in this program there will be many more ritual dances ... sit down and heed ... hi
        3. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 18: 32
          -2
          Once again - Greetings, Magadan,
          Quote: Magadan
          something hasn’t been seen for a long time

          Yes, work, her mother, beloved ... laughing Now I am in the city, so I think we will "see each other" more often hi
          Quote: Magadan
          We started cleaning, and this is not like it.

          They like to cook noodles in quantities that no pasta (Italian) can handle and engage in a fascinating process - hanging it on the ears. The buzz for them is extraordinary! ... fellow
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 December 2012 09: 41
      +12
      Quote: Magadan
      Boyar claimed that Pskov passed, was a direct subordinate of Nevsky. What, maybe Nevsky was bad? And what about General Vlasov? Stalin personally knew him! Stalin, too, could have been a bad ruler?

      You know, Magadan’s comparison is not correct. Stalin personally knew many generals, Vlasov didn’t stand out from this circle. Here it’s not only about Serdyukov’s personality, his theft, but also about the direction of reforms in the army. And who sets the vector as they say? Or what do you think Putin simply said: well, reform Tolyan! Surely the task was set in 2007, and this task was carried out as needed, otherwise he would not have sat in the ministerial chair for 5 years. And if we assume that Putin was not in the know , then a legitimate question arises: what kind of leader of the country are you if everyone deceives you and doesn’t put you in hell?
      1. Magadan
        Magadan 7 December 2012 11: 07
        0
        I agree about Vlasov, but Brutus nevertheless stabbed Caesar, anyway? Or is it a bad example too?
        Damn, it's one thing to cut strategy, and another thing to move living people. Well, I do not believe that it is so easy to know everything about your entourage! If the FSB had worked, it might have been possible. And so, to all appearances, our special services are simply pouring out for the time being to Western pests. Well, they do not have enough traction to cut through the whole game. Too much, you see, the agents of the heirs of Loyola are strong. "To their people" skillfully cover their ass. Well, not a traitor Putin. And his brains are all right. And at the same time, there is a mess in power. So the pests are stronger for now.
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 7 December 2012 11: 45
          +9
          Quote: Magadan
          Well, not a traitor Putin. And with his brains, everything is in order. And at the same time, there is a mess in power. So while the pests are stronger.

          To be honest, I still do not have a definite opinion about the answer to the question “Who are you? Whose are you?” There is only a firm conviction that he is leading the country along the wrong path, destructive. What is this: thoughtlessness or some plan is being implemented, I don’t know. But if he doesn’t take drastic steps to reform the economy in the near future it will be bad. And you are talking about pests, but 12 years is a decent period, not a year, not two. There are more questions than answers. And there are many more options. than one.
        2. military
          military 7 December 2012 12: 36
          +5
          Quote: Magadan
          Well, not a traitor Putin. And with his brains, everything is in order. And at the same time, there is a mess in power. So while the pests are stronger.

          ... kindly and generously gifted by him ... and their name is "family" ... recourse
      2. Roman Dmitriev
        Roman Dmitriev 7 December 2012 11: 33
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        And if we assume that Putin was not in the know, then a logical question arises: what kind of head of the country are you if you are all being deceived and not put in hell?
        You read my mind straight.
        Quote: Magadan
        And then what about Caesar, whom Brutus stabbed to death? Maybe Caesar was a loshara at all?
        It's a fairy tale that one "good tsar" can get into the heads of several hundred "boyars" from his inner circle, as if it's ridiculous to believe.
        Examples of how "boyars" seemed good, but they turned out to be scum as much as necessary. Boyarin Told that Pskov surrendered, was a direct subordinate of Nevsky. Maybe Nevsky was bad? And General Vlasov? Stalin knew him personally! Stalin, too, may have been a bad ruler?
        Stop singing your mantras about "the king and about the boyars"

        Magadan, you strain your memory and remember how the boyars of the Stronghold and Vlasov finished their days.
        1. Magadan
          Magadan 8 December 2012 05: 27
          +1
          Here! Perhaps this is the most important conclusion of our conversation.
          If Serdyukov and the woman’s battalion sit down, then we will hope further on the restoration of the state. Well, if again we have people steaming for a bag of potatoes in the zone, and just being fired for billions, then everything is bad. And from there it is already necessary to dance. Somewhere in a year it will be seen, usually so much is spent on the investigation.
          I hope for the mind of the authorities. I am a kind of intelligent person, but I thirst for blood. Evil must be punished.
          1. ramzes1776
            ramzes1776 9 December 2012 20: 42
            0
            Quote: Magadan
            If Serdyukov and the woman’s battalion sit down, then we will hope further on the restoration of the state.

            We bet gentlemen))) I think one of the women will sit down, and Serdyuk will get off with a slight fright. He knows too much)
    3. military
      military 7 December 2012 12: 51
      +2
      Quote: Magadan
      into a fairy tale that one "good tsar" can get into the heads of several hundred "boyars" from his inner circle, as if it is ridiculous to believe.

      so he has another function - to chop these heads ... and not to threaten with a finger from the throne ...
      Quote: Magadan
      Stalin personally knew him!

      "... - Do you see this hand? Comrade Stalin himself pressed it! ... And who was pressing what to you?" (k / f "Shtrafbat") Comrade Stalin not only personally knew many of his "boyars", but also personally "participated" in their fate ... winked
  6. aksakal
    aksakal 7 December 2012 07: 58
    +7
    Come on, apologies - how would you make Putin no longer want to appoint such stools?
    Usually they hurt for it. This is what Putin needs to do bo-bo! Not to remove and plant, but somehow convey, and well convey that would be more responsible with the appointments. And that would update his bench, finally. There is no one to look at - Shoigu da Lavrov. The Minister of Culture - looked him in Pozner - more or less liked, but the face is new, you need to look. Onishchenko is somewhere nearby, but only in terms of as a weapon against Georgia or someone else's thread, and as a minister - mediocrity. And that’s all! People in Russia? Since when in Russia is such squalor with personnel?
    1. Karish
      Karish 7 December 2012 08: 17
      +14
      Quote: aksakal
      And that’s all! People in Russia? Since when in Russia is such squalor with personnel?

      D annette, just GDP and others like it crushed all competitors in the bud so that people would say like

      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      So before scolding Putin (which, of course, is far from ideal), think about who would do better.

      There are no competitors, there is no problem, so Medvedev is already stuttering for a new term in 12 years.
      And whoever appears dangerous - immediately, or they buy it, so that they shut their mouths or announce it - the people believe that the authorities are happy with the swamp, blue or sold to Amer.
      To think that the same Serdyukov has sold himself to America is to deceive himself. All homegrown, flesh from flesh Putin's vertical theft.
      Raised by him, and guarded by him.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 08: 41
        +2
        Quote: Karish
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        So before scolding Putin (which, of course, is far from ideal), think who would do better

        Karish, I did not say that, these are the words of the "patriot"
        1. Karish
          Karish 7 December 2012 08: 59
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Karish, I did not say that, these are the words of the "patriot"

          Alexander, good morning!
          I understand and therefore quoted your post,
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Putin is the president of Russia, and there is demand from him.

          And it is not known how it got out.
          So before scolding Putin (which, of course, is far from ideal), think who would do better

          There is someone better, in Russia there are still people who are not dumber, farsighted and more respectful of their people than GDP.
          Yes, it is more respectful because , in my opinion, the ratio of GDP to the people - like a cattle or a herd - which can be carried out wherever you want, and periodically tossing a heap — another oat to shut up your mouths.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 7 December 2012 09: 38
            -1
            Quote: Karish
            There is someone better, in Russia there are still people who are not dumber, farsighted and more respectful of their people than GDP.
            - you know better from Israel laughing Willingly believe that there are such people laughing Even the names I can name them - Germans, Kasparov, Jurgens. Few? Piontkovsky. Still? laughing
            Sit and here you shove the simplified version. Who do you take for? For a first grader, or what? Sorry, what you tweeted here, I went to the bathroom to a large extent ten years ago, and you just thrown away by me only eat and still offer me.
            Actually, I like the way we shove crap beautifully. Yesterday, I convincingly proved that we are still a financial colony of the West (someone will say - international transnational corporations, it doesn’t matter) and this is why all the problems are common. They hover in response to us - again an external enemy! If bad, then the reason is you! And soar well. As a result, the problem is that we ourselves are so bad, the Russian people are in the furnace and so on. And it’s enough to objectively look, analyze, who benefits, a completely different picture pops up.
            Very-nama Putin favorably does not have competent ministers. He wants to personally manage everything himself laughing In fact, dullness in the highest echelons of power is a problem not only for Russia. This is a global process - compare Gaulle and Sarkozy. Compare Kennedy and the Bush. Even Brzezinski or Kissiniger with Clinton, whom I hate. Yes, even Goldu Meir with the current who are you? I don’t even want to know. And here you are a world problem that has touched the West even more than Russia, pushing Putin alone. Eat your feces yourself! I have outgrown this for a long time, you made a mistake with the address with your primitive agitation
            1. baltika-18
              baltika-18 7 December 2012 13: 58
              +8
              Quote: aksakal
              you know better from Israel. I willingly believe that there are such people. I can even name them - Germans, Caspars, Jurgens. Few? Piontkovsky. Still?

              You distort Aksakal. What does the personalities you have indicated here? It's not about them, it's about the fact that the personalities in our elections for 12 years are the same and we don’t even have to predict the places we occupy: Putin (Medvedev), Zyuganov, Zhirinovsky , -this triple is obligatory for execution. Further nuances-Mironov, Yavlinsky, Prokhorov, etc. etc. Actually, all this pushes me into bad suspicions. There is some kind of a theatrical action.
            2. Karish
              Karish 7 December 2012 14: 03
              +3
              Quote: aksakal
              Yesterday, I convincingly proved that we are still a financial colony

              To prove you need at least an opponent. In the case of the colony, it is not clear that someone opposed this statement. Do not prove the axiom.
              Quote: aksakal
              Sorry, what you tweeted here, I went to the bathroom ten years ago

              Aksakal, I didn’t pass sheep with you, so keep your distance.
              Quote: aksakal
              you know better from Israel. Even the names I can name them - Germans, Caspars, Jurgens. Few?

              Nonsense first grader. First of all, you also do not live in Russia, as I understand it. Secondly, I am talking about Russian citizens (and not necessarily only Russian) So among Russian citizens (even if he is Kazakh by ethnicity laughing ) there are worthy people and the wedge did not converge on GDP with Medvedev
              Quote: aksakal
              In fact, dullness in the highest echelons of power is a problem not only for Russia. This is a global process - compare Gaulle and Sarkozy. Compare Kennedy and the Bush. Even Brzezinski or Kissiniger with Clinton, whom I hate. Yes, even Goldu Meir with the current who are you? I don’t even want to know. And here you are a world problem that has touched the West even more than Russia, pushing Putin alone.

              Eco you how bent laughing
              Talk about GDP, and let Americans deal with Bush and Clinton.
              Quote: aksakal
              ! I have outgrown this for a long time, you made a mistake with the address with your primitive agitation
              laughing
        2. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 09: 37
          -2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          these are the words of the "patriot"


          Love you, Alexander, hang tags! Feeling educated ...!
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 7 December 2012 10: 40
            -5
            Quote: esaul
            Love you, Alexander, hang tags! Feeling educated ...!

            - I look at the minuses, here is a specific liberoid attack. If Romanov sings along with Israeli cheap propaganda, then this is sad. Romanov would have thought ten times. It seems a sane man. But on Karishevskaya garbage, intended for those primitives who are looking for the guilty in alcoholic T-shirts in the kitchen, I bought it. Romanov, I'll tell you a secret here - Putin eats children for breakfast, count laughing And the cats, the infection, multiplied - he is also to blame! Oh yes, you’re waiting here, if you gave your voice, what would it be! and oppanki-paradise in Russia! The army is fully equipped, more Boeing aircraft are produced and in general! laughing Damn, Romanov, I understand your disappointment, Putin, the bastard, deceived, he did not have a magic wand! In a bastard! Maybe then the Karishevskys have such a wand? Have, I'm sure, ask Karish laughing He will name the names of those who have it. laughing Only I got ahead of him - I already called them laughing I understand your disappointment. But in response, understand mine laughing To you
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 10: 55
              +4
              Quote: aksakal
              If Romanov sings along with Israeli cheap propaganda, then this is sad. Romanov would have thought ten times. It seems a sane man. But on Karishevskaya garbage, intended for those primitives who are looking for the guilty in alcoholic T-shirts in the kitchen, I bought it. Romanov,

              aksakal, you didn’t understand clearly and you don’t see my attitude to Karish-personal relationship. You can see in my previous posts, you’ll understand everything.
              Quote: aksakal
              Damn, Romanov, I understand your disappointment, Putin, the bastard, deceived, he did not have a magic wand! In a bastard! Maybe then the Karishevskys have such a wand? I’m sure, ask Karish. He will name the names of those who have it. I just got ahead of him - I already called them. I understand your disappointment. But in response, understand mine in you

              Aksakal, don’t write nonsense, it’s just not interesting, but it’s your business. You can continue to shout Hurray to Yesaul, for God's sake, how many people have so many opinions. And you, like Yesaul, if anyone does not agree with your opinion, right there write in the liberals. Well, and which of us hangs labels?
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 7 December 2012 11: 57
                -1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Aksakal, don’t write nonsense, it’s just not interesting, but it’s your business. You can continue to shout Hurray to Yesaul, for God's sake, how many people have so many opinions. And you, like Yesaul, if anyone does not agree with your opinion, right there write in the liberals. Well, and which of us hangs labels?
                - I do not shout hurray, and I do not see that Esaul is doing this. We also voice problems and sometimes offer ways to solve them. Not slipping into the primitive "shoot everyone" and even more so not slipping into "Putin is to blame for everything!" How did you decide that Chubais’s honorary place is now vacant, and that Putin must certainly be put in there? No, leave Chubais in place, he still has to sit and sit, and no amnesty!
                And you call this substitution instead of Chubais "real" patriotism? Your will laughing
                Karish, essentially have something to answer? At least Kudrin would be cited as an example, or what? Like, here he is a glaring example of how Putin and Co. look at bright and dangerous personalities and immediately politically destroy laughing What if I agree? Then I'm sorry, I'm not proud laughing Yes, and about the fading of political figures has something to argue? Or just throw agitation can?
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 12: 11
                  +2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  We also voice problems and sometimes offer ways to solve them. Not slipping into the primitive "shoot everyone" and even more so not slipping into "Putin is to blame for everything!" How did you decide that Chubais’s honorary place is now vacant, and that Putin must certainly be put in there? No, leave Chubais in place, he still has to sit and sit, and no amnesty!

                  I also carefully read that who writes, agrees with someone, but why not. One did not understand in your comment where I should push Chubais, for me the only place worthy of him is a solitary confinement on Magadan. it’s a substitution, Putin put Chubais in NANO or am I mistaken? Although Putin and Bush called a friend, only a friend appeared on 08.08.08 belay I won’t even talk about Esaul's cheers, I just have enough of his presence on the site for my eyes.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 7 December 2012 13: 34
                    -4
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    What kind of substitution are we talking about, did Putin put Chubais in NANO or am I mistaken?

                    allegorically. Who is eternally guilty in Russia? Chubais! Now, through the efforts of many, partly your efforts will sound who in Russia is to blame for everything? Putin! I do not agree with this. Chubais was forever guilty, even if he remains forever and ever. To even go into the proverb and what? Chubais or what? (instead of red or what?). Enough galleys with Putin laughing
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 13: 42
                      +7
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Chubais was forever guilty, even if he remains forever and ever.

                      If Chubais dies, the accordion is torn at his wake. As for Putin, we need to admit mistakes, there are no other people on the political horizon yet. Once so, then the demand from him and he must make decisions for the sake of the people who elected him. Our Primorye Governor, Putin was fired very well, but why did he appoint him minister after that? Putin has pluses, it’s impossible not to notice, but this is no reason not to notice the minuses.
                      1. Ribwort
                        Ribwort 7 December 2012 13: 50
                        +7
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        our coastal governor, who was stealing to smithereens, Putin was fired, well done, but why did he appoint him after that as minister?

                        Because tradition, however. Follow the fate (after the resignation) of many of our ministers - you will be surprised (or not). They all got pretty good.
                        PS Does it seem to me alone that power holds us for idiots?
                      2. Uncle
                        Uncle 7 December 2012 20: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Ribwort
                        It seems to me alone that power holds us for idiots?

                        Power mocks us.
                      3. esaul
                        esaul 7 December 2012 17: 30
                        0
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        If Chubais dies, the accordion will tear at his wake.

                        Already one button accordion is torn, as I understand it? After all, the same thing was said about the displacement of Serdyukov. laughing
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 17: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: esaul

                        Already one button accordion is torn, as I understand it?

                        Valery, I see you can’t live without me, that with regards to the button accordion, you drank champagne with the officers of the Far Eastern Federal District.
                        Quote: esaul
                        After all, the same thing was said about the displacement of Serdyukov.

                        Precisely on this occasion, for the whole country, the removal of Serdyukov was a festive day, sincerely sorry that for you the resignation of Serdyukov is a tragedy. hi
                    2. Karish
                      Karish 7 December 2012 14: 16
                      +8
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Who is eternally guilty in Russia? Chubais!

                      Jews, Aksakal, Jews are to blame for everything.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Now, through the efforts of many, partly your efforts will sound who in Russia is to blame for everything? Putin!

                      No, he has nothing to do with it as always. And his post in general (in your opinion) does not imply any responsibility.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Chubais was forever guilty, even if he remains forever and ever.

                      The GDP and the authorities in general will like this, still introduce the ritual of throwing shoes into the portrait and then everything will fall into place.
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Enough galleys with Putin
                      1. Brother Sarych
                        Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 14: 48
                        +1
                        Or maybe you're still right and Putin is right? Somehow he looks more organic surrounded by rabbis in a yermolk at the Kotel, than with a candle in an Orthodox church, well, of course, if not around him are not the same rabbis, but for some reason in cassocks ...
                        I was joking if someone didn’t understand ...
                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 December 2012 16: 33
                        -4
                        Quote: Karish
                        Jews, Aksakal, Jews are to blame for everything

                        They called themselves. I didn’t call, reread my post VERY carefully, moreover, I’ll also point out to you yourself for inciting you. I have cited only the names of the most odious oppositionists rocking the boat, but what about the Jews you quoted? And then Perelman or Wasserman, whom I respect, although I think the first is a little eccentric? Justify please. your point of view. I called specific citizens of RUSSIA. and not Jews, by name, where do the Jews? Something Karish, you have completely gone wedge for wedge. Explain
                        Quote: Karish
                        No, he has nothing to do with it as always. And his post in general (in your opinion) does not imply any responsibility.

                        - I repeat - no primitive is needed here. If you don’t have enough mind to understand the diversity and complexity of the corruption problem, moreover, the historical diversity and complexity of corruption in Russia, then you don’t need to argue. Put on a T-shirt-alcoholic and yell about it in your kitchen, do not shame here!
                      3. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 18: 35
                        0
                        Quote: aksakal
                        They called themselves. I did not call

                        laughing
                        Quote: aksakal
                        I have cited only the names of the most odious oppositionists rocking the boat, but what about the Jews you quoted?

                        But I didn’t bring Jews, they themselves came (like many other nationalities). Blame the Jews for everything - as it is original. fool
                        Quote: aksakal
                        I called specific citizens of RUSSIA. and not Jews, by name, where do the Jews? Something Karish, you have completely gone wedge for wedge. Explain

                        So I say nothing.
                        It just smells of such cheap anti-Semitism from your posts.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        If you don’t have enough mind to understand the diversity and complexity of the corruption problem, moreover, the historical diversity and complexity of corruption in Russia, then you don’t need to argue

                        Beautiful words, versatility, complexity of corruption, historical background, financial crises add, a comparison with 1913, the enemy’s environment and Gorbachev.
                        Therefore, it is true that the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and the President (as well as the former head of the Sov.Min, which includes both the Minister of Defense, the FSB, and the Ministry of Internal Affairs) in one person --------- are not to blame for anything. 14 years is no longer to blame.
                        And it’s all because of people like you who don’t ask --- Why nothing is being done, but look for excuses for them yourself.
                        I can help, there is still one reason for which you can definitely blame everything
                        Tunguska meteoroid or Tunguska meteorite (Tunguska phenomenon) is a hypothetical body, probably of comet origin, which, presumably, caused an air explosion that occurred in the region of the Podkamennaya Tunguska River (about 60 km north and 20 km west of the village of Vanavara) 17 ( 30) June 1908 at 7 hours 14,5 ± 0,8 minutes local time (0 hours 14,5 minutes GMT). The power of the explosion is estimated at 40-50 megatons, which corresponds to the energy of the most powerful hydrogen bomb.

                        recourse
                        Good luck and do not forget after the morning exercise to periodically shave the outer surface of the tongue, so that the authorities would not cause unnecessary inconvenience
                      4. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 December 2012 23: 12
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        So I’m not saying anything. It’s just from your posts that it smells of such cheap anti-Semitism.
                        - correct your scent and do not lose it in the future. I have named the most active citizens rocking the boat in Russia, if something seemed to you from the composition of the names, it was an accident. Accidentally ended up together, by chance everyone was in the highest echelons of the Russian economy. I have named the names of the most odious, and if you saw some pattern there, if it is there, then this is not "cheap anti-Semitism", but simply the truth. But you saw this pattern, thanks. And now, just straight ahead - calm down yourself and calm down these German, Jurgens and Kasparovs. They will continue in the same spirit and be so active - it will not end well. And this is also true, not "cheap anti-Semitism"
                      5. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 23: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: aksakal
                        I named the most active citizens rocking the boat in Russia, if something seemed to you by the composition of the surnames, it was an accident. By chance, they ended up together, by chance, all without a word all ended up in the highest echelons of the Russian economy.

                        Well, if Jews (those with GDP) swing the boat in one direction, and Jews who (against GDP) in the other direction, then according to the laws of physics the boat is in some equilibrium laughing
                        I absolutely do not care how many Jews are on one or the other side, and of course I have nothing against that someone does not like the government or the opposition. I am against the fact that for some reason they speak only about Jews, it seems that there are simply no others nearby.
                        Generally divided by nationality is simply racism, and anti-Semitism is one of its forms.

                        Quote: aksakal
                        And now, just right on the forehead - calm down yourself and calm down these German, Jurgens and Kasparov

                        You know, I’m not personally acquainted with voiced comrades, but in general I’m not burning with desire. Unlike the GDP, with which he was present at some celebrations together (when he was still a modest deputy of Sobchak, and my relative held a slightly higher post)
                        By the way, his sense of humor (GDP) remained just as excellent. But this is a St. Petersburg feature, you can’t erase it.
                      6. Uncle
                        Uncle 7 December 2012 20: 42
                        +2
                        Quote: Karish
                        Jews, Aksakal, Jews are to blame for everything.
                        Karish, do not be offended, but the government is really full of representatives of the once God-chosen people. And all the revolutionaries were from there too.
                      7. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 23: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle
                        Karish, do not be offended, but the government is really full of representatives of the once God-chosen people. And all the revolutionaries were from there

                        Uncle, you read the Bible, and as I understand it quite seriously. * Once * in relation to the God-chosen people is not used. Agree with me if correlated with the source
                        That there are many Jews - it fills my heart with pride. because Jews stood at the origins of the great USSR. And without them it simply would not have existed, like the theories of socialism and much more.
                        The fact that there are a lot of them in power -0 speaks only about one thing, among them there are a lot of smart, proactive and talented people. By the way, villains should not be denied the same talent.
                        That’s what I’m sure for sure that there are no fools among them, and this already deserves respect. hi
                      8. aksakal
                        aksakal 8 December 2012 00: 42
                        +3
                        Quote: Karish
                        That’s what I’m sure for sure that there are no fools among them, and this already deserves respect.
                        - No fools, no one argues. There is not enough humanity and decency, but the mind itself, just the mind, does not deserve respect. If anything, Hitler was also unable to lead and very quickly restore the country after the devastating World War I, to lead people. Only you do not respect him.
                        Quote: Karish
                        That’s what I’m sure for sure that there are no fools among them, and this already deserves respect.
                        - you, as I understand it, for the sake of a red word said?
                        Quote: Karish
                        The fact that there are a lot of them in power -0 speaks only about one thing, among them there are a lot of smart, proactive and talented people. By the way, villains should not be denied the same talent.
                        - there are no less of them in any other nation. I was convinced many times. But mostly Jews are in power. And not at all because the others are smarter there. I once had a chance to participate in the business of the early 90s. I even gave up the institute for the sake of this and then in the late 90s I was already recovering on a paid basis. At first there was hyperinflation, then the machine was sealed, and all enterprises were shut down. Called a non-payment crisis. I had to do business like this - we got spare parts from Minsk for tractors and agricultural machinery. At a sugar factory, which has its own fields, they exchanged for sugar. We are trying to sell, no one has money. here comes a Russian, he has a lot of white computers (there was such a term) in his province, but there is a shortage of sugar. Exchanged. trying to shove. Kaztelecom appears, who should have money. But even they don't have them. But the cable network, there is something incomprehensible, such as a PBX. Not interested. But this is interesting - a German car. BMW five, just appeared Mercedes "Kaban" 600, a couple of wheelbarrows. We are changing. Here is such a simple business. So then these factories gave away for free! Take it, pour the loot into the raw materials, pay off the wage arrears and the budget, with loans - and you are a full-fledged owner. And we wanted to take it, but we didn't pull nifig. And to think of what you can take, promise and sell - somehow did not come to mind. So Mashkevich, a toilet from Bishkek, and Giller, who later organized the Caravan, ran there at that time, and they were no better than us. It's just that when it was possible to take a metallurgical plant for free - we can't afford that. It was. And Mashkevich, who, to be honest, got hit all the time and could not push anything, they appeared. And in huge quantities. Together with the brothers Cherny and Luchansky. And in general, these were grandmothers from who knows where and who is the data, but the fact is. This Mashkevich did not possess anything phenomenal, man and man. In general, this could be called diaspora support, there is nothing illegal in this, but from an ethical point of view, such things are not entirely correct and do not deserve respect at all. And there is no such mind in this.
                      9. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 09: 27
                        -2
                        Quote: aksakal
                        And there’s no such mind in it.

                        IF YOU ARE SMART, WHAT IS SO POOR? laughing
                        Envy is very poor quality, for
                        Aksakal (from Turk. Ak - white and Sakal - beard) - the head of the clan, elder, respectable person among the Turkic peoples in Central Asia and the Caucasus. The word aksakal refers to the elders and sages of the community. Aksakals play a significant role in tribal politics as advisers and judges.
                      10. aksakal
                        aksakal 10 December 2012 14: 23
                        0
                        You are mistaken, dear, I do not envy, I despise.
                        Such people, as one well-known Almaty businessman acted in relation to the "fallen" mayor, with whom he was friends, can only be despised, alas. I would become rich if I did the same, but something is stopping me. Parents brought up poorly -)))))))). I am citing this act, and by the last names you can guess who exactly did the ugly thing. The bribe-taker-mayor, of course, is ugly, but you either don't need to be friends with such, or, if you are friends, then be friends to the end. Alas, this is completely unusual for entrepreneurs of a certain ethnic group. So I just despise, my dear -)))) "In Almaty, the Khrapunovs owned 40% of the Basis-A company; they were very close friends with Belovich (Alexander Belovich, head of the construction company - F). As soon as Khrapunov was dismissed (from the post of akim of the southern capital in December 2004. - F), Belovich immediately turned away from him, apparently they told him not to (communicate with Khrapunov more. - F), "he said.". It is here: http://news.nur.kz/241435.html. Read and enjoy. By the way, Belovich is the one that dug up the Central Square in Almaty, uprooted the age-old blue spruce, destroyed even a conscientious, but magnificent architectural the ensemble, but as it became unprofitable - so threw it. So there is an agromous pit excavated in the center of the city. And after that you will order the Almaty people with aspiration and without anti-Semitism? Well, well -))))))))))))))) )))))).
                      11. Uncle
                        Uncle 8 December 2012 15: 37
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        Once * in relation to God's chosen people is not used.
                        “The Kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people that bears its fruits” This is about Russia ...
                      12. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 23: 10
                        +1
                        ]
                        Quote: Uncle
                        “The Kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people that bears its fruits” This is about Russia

                        Blessed are you poor in spirit
                        By the way, please a reference to your review. That would be somehow out of context.
                        33 Listen to another parable: there was a certain landlord who planted a vineyard, surrounded it with a fence, dug a grindstone in it, built a tower, and, having given it to the wine-growers, went away.
                        34When the time of the fruits approached, he sent his servants to the winegrowers to take their fruits; 35 Vinogradar, having seized his servants, beat another, killed another, and stoned another.
                        36 Again he sent other servants, more than the former; and they did the same to them.
                        37 Finally, he sent his son to them, saying: My son will be ashamed.
                        38But the husbandmen, seeing their son, said to one another: this is the heir; let's go kill him and take possession of his inheritance.
                        39 And they seized him, brought him out of the vineyard, and killed him.
                        40 So, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do with these winegrowers?
                        41 They say to him: these villains will be put to death by evil, and the vineyard will be given to other winegrowers, who will give him fruit in their days.
                        42 Jesus says to them: Have you never read in the Scriptures: the stone that the builders rejected has become the head of the corner? Is it from the Lord, and is it marvelous in our eyes?
                        43Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a people that bears its fruits; 44 and he who falls on this stone will be broken, but on whom he falls, he will crush.
                        45 And when they heard His parables, the chief priests and Pharisees understood what He was talking about, 46 and they tried to seize Him, but were afraid of the people, because they respected Him as a Prophet.

                        [/ quote
                        Matthew - Am I Right?
                        As you know, Russia here does not mention in any way the conversation in general about another.
                        Dmitry, do not remember the name of the Lord in the bustle and do not interpret the texts.
                        The answer will be only between Him and you, think about it. Sincerely, Alexander hi
                    3. Brother Sarych
                      Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 14: 41
                      +1
                      I wonder who the president is.
                      If all glory to him in case of victory, so to him all the cones in case of defeat! There are no special victories, so we’ll wait for the hosannah to sing, and we didn’t get cones for him at our request ...
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 December 2012 23: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: Brother Sarich
                        If all glory to him in case of victory, so to him all the cones in case of defeat! There are no special victories, so we’ll wait for the hosanna to sing, and we didn’t get cones for him at our request
                        Nobody sings hosanna to him, and in fact there are two serious bigwigs - this devilish serdyuk, and corruption. But Serdyuk is a grown man. knew what he was doing. It was not a child who was appointed, but a person who cried out the tax and managed to unravel the scheme of tax evasion of the Hodor empire - remember, well fluid, etc.? On the basis of this successful operation, he was entrusted with the reform of the Ministry of Defense. Did not cope. Let me down. Moreover, he was stealing. Yes, Putin is responsible. Submit a vote of no confidence. So declare - "I, a citizen of Uzbekistan and further in the text" - a protest, a demand to leave the highest post of the country, etc. What is the problem? If you are so passionate about it, you will succeed. But better deal with Karimov. Investigation of the Andijan events. Something does not stick - one president was deceived, let down, so you have already sprayed your computer, that your saliva drips from my computer. Another shoots a couple of thousand from large-caliber machine guns - and nothing, democratic president
                2. Karish
                  Karish 7 December 2012 14: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: aksakal
                  Karish, essentially have something to answer? At least Kudrin would be cited as an example, or what? Like, here he is a glaring example of how Putin and Co. look at bright and dangerous personalities and immediately politically destroy

                  I am not going to give anyone an example.

                  I'm just sure that there are people who are worthy.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 7 December 2012 16: 41
                    -3
                    Quote: Karish
                    I'm not going to give anyone an example. I'm just sure that there are people who are worthy.

                    - you refuse to give names, but at the same time you are already calling the incumbent President guilty of everything and worthy of the most severe responsibility. And so, we follow your advice: we shoot judged and in places not so. And nobody is in this position. And you in Jesuit refuse to name the candidate. So you don’t need to name your surnames anymore - the goal has been achieved, in Russia in fact anarchy. More precisely, there are those citizens (not Jews, I named them by name, you are engaged in insinuations) start a fight for power, without having the mandate of the people. We have already passed, which results in anarchy in Russia. In response, I may wish to go through this to Israel. Get into the hole that we dig.
                    1. Karish
                      Karish 7 December 2012 18: 52
                      0
                      Quote: aksakal
                      refuse to name names

                      Well, torture me, torture laughing
                      Quote: aksakal
                      but at the same time you are already calling the incumbent President in all guilty and worthy of the most severe responsibility

                      Well, he is to blame, and who? The most severe? Do not distort, the most severe punishment, if you just do not re-elected. Well, if they prove that the thief is in prison.
                      In general, people deserve the power that they choose
                      Quote: aksakal
                      And you in Jesuit refuse to name the candidate.

                      Are you sure that the word JESUS ​​is appropriate for the context?
                      Quote: aksakal
                      start a fight for power, without having the mandate of the people

                      Mandate for power, give an election (if you understand the word mandate). Therefore, many of them are fighting simply for the opportunity to participate in them.
                      By the way, the question? Mandate laughing on power, in your understanding, is support by how many people?
                      Quote: aksakal
                      We have already passed, which results in anarchy in Russia. In response, I may wish to go through this to Israel. Get into the hole that we dig.

                      I do not want to upset you, but democracy and anarchy are not related definitions.
                      For all my dislike of European politics, I can tell you that democracy (and we have it) is good. Our governments change every 3-4 years (sometimes even after 1.5 -2). And nothing the sky doesn’t fall to the earth, people don’t climb the barricades and believe me the changes over the past 20 years are simply colossal and in 90% of cases only for the better. I don’t have to scare me with democracy. We are well with her.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 7 December 2012 20: 16
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        I do not want to upset you, but democracy and anarchy are not related definitions
                        - Do not pretend that you are stupider than you really are. You know very well that the unexpected departure of a leader from office in the absence of people in the political sky with the necessary political capital (or weight, as you wish) leads not to democracy, but to anarchy. By placing the blame on Putin, you are essentially inciting his immediate departure. And through Putin's fault, I object - this is also about SABZh - you need to remember that Serdyuk was brought in by Zubkov and headed the tax office. And when it was necessary to plant the Hodor, and plant it so that the mosquito would not undermine the nose, Serdyuk coped with it brilliantly. I don't like Serdyuk myself, but objectivity requires it - the hodor was planted so that the international court recognized his planting as LEGAL. Compare - when it was necessary to defeat Hermitage, Serdyuk's successors worked so clumsy that the consequences for Russia came immediately. Since Serdyuk knows how to perform difficult tasks, then you can entrust him with such a difficult task as reforming the Armed Forces. And he failed this time. Can Putin be wrong, especially when someone did the first job well? Can. When Serdyuk was appointed to the post of defense minister, he could negotiate a complete carte blanche with Putin. Like, "" reforming is a painful matter, I should have all the rights, and you shouldn't listen to everyone - there will be a lot of them. "Such a carte blanche can be obtained by Serdyukov, for sure received. So this is a question of trust, not a criminal conspiracy between Serdyukov and Putin stupidly Serdyuk personally framed Putin and Zubkov in front of Putin. Any president of any country can get into such a situation. Only Putin is not forgiven, he must see people right through and be provided with an X-ray. He is not allowed to shoot if anything. Chinese leaders you can use hundreds at a time in the expense, and Putin will be put on the same level with Hitler at the very first executed corruptor
                      2. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 23: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: aksakal
                        “Don't pretend to be dumber than you really are.”

                        Do not flatter yourself, I am an absolutely adequate and quite erudite person (you will not praise yourself, who will praise? crying ) Having a fairly large experience of life both in Russia and in some countries abroad. I absolutely give a report and understand what I'm writing. Unlike you, I don’t do agitation
                        Quote: aksakal
                        You are well aware that the unexpected departure of a leader from his post in the complete absence on the political neboklon of people with the necessary political capital (or weight, as you like) leads not to democracy, but to anarchy

                        If the election you call - an unexpected departure? So I dare to assure you that the president is an elected position, not a succession to the throne, and as a rule, the departure of a politician is always unexpected for him.
                        As for the lack of people on politic. in the sky --- so I’ll just say how to fool the people, so that you can be sure that there is no alternative to the tandem.
                        So all the GDP structures are working as they should, I am removing the competitors in the bud or do you think that the people of Russia have shredded so much that there is no alternative?
                        Quote: aksakal
                        And because of Putin’s fault, I object - it’s also because of Sabzh - I need to remember that Serdyuk was brought by Zubkov and headed the tax

                        And the king, as always, is white and fluffy
                        Quote: aksakal
                        And when it was necessary to plant a hodor, and plant it so that a mosquito would not undermine the nose, Serdyuk coped brilliantly with this

                        Nothing is eternal under the Moon . Ezhov-Berry-Beria, all of them in turn exposed each other.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Compare - when it was necessary to defeat the Hermitage, the successors of Serdyuk worked so clumsy that the consequences for Russia came immediately

                        family disputes and sharing of spheres of influence and by whom? By power! Have you heard the word Mafia? The reason for your enthusiasm is not clear. I would have understood if they had at least returned to the state, but had simply rattled it between themselves.
                        Rob the loot. Already heard somewhere laughing
                      3. aksakal
                        aksakal 8 December 2012 00: 58
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        If the election you call - an unexpected departure? So I dare to assure you that the president is an elected position, not a succession to the throne, and as a rule, the departure of a politician is always unexpected for him
                        - if you are talking about the elections, I voiced the military - after five years, please, just don’t lose five years in vain, find a worthy one. So you, and especially Sarych, are so splattered that it sounds like that - leave immediately, and I am against this.
                        And I speak -
                        Quote: Karish
                        As for the lack of people on politic. in the sky --- so I’ll just say how to fool the people, so that you can be sure that there is no alternative to the tandem. So all the GDP structures are working as they should, I am removing the competitors in the bud or do you think that the people of Russia have shredded so much that there is no alternative?
                        - against this your opus. Here is this cheap agitation, and again I ask you to eat these feces yourself. You can deceive the people for a short time, but for 12 years no one has been able to deceive him. It is only in your inflamed brain, where only the presence of the mind already deserves respect, I answered you there, only in your brain the Russian people have been deceived for 12 years. Here either you think of yourself so much about yourself, beloved ones, that the rest of the nations think you are a set of duped fools, either you are a fool or again your cheap agitation. In the first case, I hasten to disappoint, in vain think so of myself, in the second I agree, because your opuses really look like records of a fool, in the third case I just send them on a long journey, and do not even dare to be offended. here Baltic-18 takes offense for you. and does not even see such a sophisticated insult of the Russian people on your part.
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 09: 40
                        -3
                        Quote: aksakal
                        So you, and especially Sarych, are so splattered that it sounds like that - leave immediately,

                        Aksakal, I’m not writing in Kazakh (which I don’t know) and my memory is in order. I never said about GDP that it should leave, especially now.
                        I affirm that he is responsible for everything that happens in the country (at the macro level) and the people deserve the power that he chooses (and you choose not only the president)
                        Quote: aksakal
                        only in your brain the Russian people have been deceived for 12 years.

                        Hack it on your nose, as it’s already tired of repeating for the sick and miserable, I’m not talking about individual nationalities and not only Russians live in Russia. It’s about Russian citizens whom I deceive. I am not saying that everyone - they just tell you the truth.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        and does not even see such a sophisticated insult of the Russian people on your part.

                        The Russian people are a great people and Russia is a great country. Worthy of a better life.

                        You can continue to saliva and go on minor insults when there are no arguments, this is the only thing left.
                        Peace to you Aksakal and to your whole herd of bleating artiodactyls
                      5. Uncle
                        Uncle 8 December 2012 15: 40
                        -2
                        Quote: Karish
                        In general, people deserve the power that they choose

                        It's right.
                        Quote: Karish
                        that democracy (and we have it) is good

                        But for Russia it’s bad. Only autocracy ...
                    2. Karish
                      Karish 7 December 2012 23: 15
                      0
                      Quote: aksakal
                      So this is a matter of trust, not a criminal conspiracy of Serdyuk with Putin.

                      There was no conspiracy. Serdyukov received the estate and disposed of it as he wanted. But when his arbitrariness and theft became dangerous for the top authorities - he was immediately leaked.
                      Remember the character (or rather the real face)
                      In 1768, the landowner Daria Saltykova, the famous Saltychikha, who tortured to death at least 138 of her serfs, stood near the Execution Ground at the pillar of shame. While the clerk read from the page the crimes she had committed, Saltychikha stood with her head uncovered, and a plaque with the inscription "The Tormentor and Murderer" hung on her chest. After that, she was sent to eternal imprisonment in the Ivanovsky monastery.

                      So it does not resemble anything
                      The initial complaints of the peasants led only to the punishment of the complainants, since Saltychikha had an influential relationship and managed to bribe officials with bribes. But still, in 1762, two peasants, Savely Martynov and Yermolay Ilyin, whose wives she killed, managed to convey the complaint to Catherine II, who had just ascended to the throne
                      The empress didn’t wave away the paper, it was too painful to talk about a large number of victims. Although Saltychikha belonged to a noble family, Catherine II used her work as a show trial that marked a new era of legality.

                      Nevertheless, of course, they did not hang her, but sent to the monastery. Then, as Holmes said, you will believe in relocation --- EPOCH
                      Quote: aksakal
                      Only Putin is not forgiven, he must see through people and is equipped with an x-ray

                      Yes, from no reason no one heard the resignation being voiced, and Medved even praised the manager.
                      And rightly so, why should the people be informed, this is rednecks, let them feed on rumors and think out what they like.
                      The fool riches with a thought.
                      1. aksakal
                        aksakal 8 December 2012 01: 07
                        -1
                        Quote: Karish
                        There was no conspiracy. Serdyukov received the estate and disposed of it as he wanted. But when his arbitrariness and theft became dangerous for the top authorities - he was immediately leaked. Remember the character (or rather, the real person)
                        - laughing laughing laughing laughing again, some cheap stuff. Sorry, I thought and wrote below that you are smart and suspected you of agitation. But it seems like you're just squalor if you think so seriously. You do not even have any idea how the state functions. And most importantly, as a fool ass insist on his own. Sorry, primitive.
                3. Brother Sarych
                  Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 14: 38
                  0
                  Everything is clear, only unclear - on which side did Chubais get out in this thread?
                4. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 17: 29
                  0
                  Quote: aksakal
                  - I do not shout cheers, and I do not see that Esaul does it

                  Greetings and thank you, pal. I am glad that there are thoughtful people on the forum.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 17: 54
                    +1
                    Along the way, the company is suitable - esaul, saxaul, sorry, aksakal ...
                    How was it there? A gang, and, no, a fisherman, a fisherman - it seems so?
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 7 December 2012 20: 23
                      0
                      Quote: Brother Sarich
                      Along the way, the company is suitable - Yesaul, Saksaul, sorry, aksakal ... How was it? A gang, and, no, a fisherman, a fisherman - it seems so?
                      - and follow the tongue in any way? And essentially argue in any way? I would advise you to continue to refrain from such comparisons and reservations
                  2. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 25
                    +4
                    Quote: esaul
                    Greetings and thank you, pal. I am glad that there are thoughtful people on the forum.

                    Do you think your dreams of Furtseva’s spread legs are thoughtful ??
                    1. Odessa
                      Odessa 7 December 2012 18: 35
                      +3
                      Yarbay,
                      Hello! Where did you lose your marshal epaulettes?
                      1. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 43
                        +5
                        Quote: Odessa
                        Hello! Where did you lose your marshal epaulettes?

                        Hi Esther!
                        Demoted by my own request, for which many thanks to the admins !!))
                        I think that I did too little to even be a lieutenant)))
                      2. Odessa
                        Odessa 7 December 2012 18: 45
                        +1
                        Yarbay,
                        I think that I did too little to even be a lieutenant)))

                        said the sergeant laughing
                      3. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 58
                        +4
                        Quote: Odessa
                        said the sergeant

                        But the burden of responsibility does not press))))
                        I can already write nonsense, consciously)))))
                      4. Odessa
                        Odessa 7 December 2012 19: 01
                        +2
                        Yarbay,
                        I can already write nonsense, consciously)))))

                        Why not fool around? laughing
                      5. Yarbay
                        Yarbay 7 December 2012 19: 07
                        +3
                        girls even if they eat, then all the same happiness))
                      6. Odessa
                        Odessa 7 December 2012 19: 20
                        +2
                        Compared to sleeping under an alder, there is no one to lean on? laughing Oh, he gave wassat
                      7. Uncle
                        Uncle 7 December 2012 20: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Yarbay
                        Demoted by my own request, for which many thanks to the admins !!))

                        Nothing, it's fixable. smile
            2. Gorchakov
              Gorchakov 7 December 2012 11: 31
              0
              aksakal,
              You are right ... Romanov, as a moderator, needs to learn how to control such a forum .... No principles ... He is for Putin, then he is against .... At one time V.I. Lenin called such people political prostitutes ....
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 11: 38
                +6
                Quote: Gorchakov
                You are right ... Romanov, as a moderator, must learn to control such a forum .... No principles ... He is for Putin, then against ..

                And what, you want to say this. I voted for Putin and there are things that I support his initiatives, but I, like any citizen, also feel the shortcomings that exist. And to be silent and not to notice them, I'm sorry, I’m not an official in charge of the budget.
                Quote: Gorchakov
                At one time V.I. Lenin called such people political prostitutes ...

                If you also follow Lenin, who drowned Russia in blood, then everything is clear with you. hi By the way, go to the mirror, maybe you will see something.
            3. Karish
              Karish 7 December 2012 14: 09
              0
              Quote: aksakal
              I’m sure, ask Karish. He will name the names of those who have it. I just got ahead of him - I already called them. I understand your disappointment. But in response, understand mine in you

              Nonsense . fool
            4. baltika-18
              baltika-18 7 December 2012 16: 05
              +4
              Quote: aksakal
              I look at the minuses, here is a specific liberoid attack. If Romanov sings along with Israeli cheap propaganda,

              Aksakal is no longer according to the rules. If people have the same or close opinion on some issue, this does not mean a "liberoid" attack or "Israeli" agitation. You are not using good techniques, forcing people to make excuses. It looks more like Jewish tactics ...
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 7 December 2012 19: 38
                0
                Quote: baltika-18
                Aksakal is no longer according to the rules. If people have the same or close opinion on some issue, this does not mean a "liberoid" attack or "Israeli" agitation. You are not using good techniques, forcing people to make excuses. It looks more like Jewish tactics ...

                - no, I call a spade a spade. The man carried out a stuffing-in - a simple explanation of the ideologists of liberal countries, when it is necessary to abnormally “explain the popularity of a bloody dictator.” This cliché is twenty years old at lunchtime, even if something new has been invented during this time. Well, first of all, Putin is not a "bloody dictator", but he will become one if he goes to "shoot" especially zealous citizens. They shoot in China, something doesn't help much. At the same time, no one is in a hurry to declare the Chinese leaders as bloody dictators, and Putin, with the first execution, will be declared the bloodiest of all the bloodiest. And they will include the full power of sanctions. Secondly, Karish threw it in when I noted that the bench was too short. Something I don’t remember the fact that Putin crushed some thread of a bright personality as a dangerous competitor .. No, I remembered Kasyanov and Kudrin. Very bright personalities and very dangerous competitors. laughing He didn’t even press Ivashov close; Ivashov’s something has been read and quoted so little in the last. So it’s Ivashov himself who is to blame, but Putin did not press him. I also objected to Karisha that Putin’s kutsai spare bench wasn’t scanty even in Western countries, but no, that is, there was no one there and brought arguments. There are no objections, they pretended that they did not understand, supposedly, where do those faces come from? Here is the Military man, he is opposing me, he understood, and you pretended that you did not understand. I’m sure that it’s not dumber than the Military, but he pretended.
                Thirdly, I emphasize that both Karish, Pupyrchaty, and the Professor show an enviable mind when explaining the intricacies of the political situation in the Middle East, while revealing very complicated causal relationships and intricacies. But as soon as it comes to Russian realities, then dumb cliches begin. What is it? Either Karisha is two, the one who is smart is responsible for Middle Eastern politics, and the one that is stupid is responsible for Russia. Or is it one Karish, but somehow smart with some questions and dumb with the second. This does not happen. Or Karish here with a very definite purpose. And if in order to attract for Israel, then why doesn’t he? Israel is a pretty country, no one will mind. So it’s not doing this, but doing stupid liberal stuffing, that is, it is doing ideological work specifically. He himself admits, here in the last answer - like democracy instead of vertical. Nothing that was popularly explained to him that they wouldn’t go with their democracy, ate in the 90s, no, he’s climbing again. You explain it even more popularly - here you are outraged. Well, if people do not understand? Rather, he understands everything perfectly, but (see above)
            5. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 17: 59
              -6
              Quote: aksakal
              - I look at the minuses, here is a specific liberoid attack.

              I’m glad, buddy, that you, looking down and seeing, have precisely determined who is HU! The children were so carried away that they slammed the fact that they had already proclaimed all this heresy. Only, as I already wrote, no one joined EDRo, the accordions from Romanov were whole-eyed (Zhmotyara, probably), everyone had their fingers ... For the sake of a red word, some of the lads are ready to poop through their throats, if only it would be stupid. Plus, buddy. Thanks for the support.hi
          2. Gorchakov
            Gorchakov 7 December 2012 11: 21
            -12
            esaul,
            Do not pay attention to the liberals who are putting you cons ... ... I completely agree with you ... And false - the patriots are precisely those who, instead of arguments and real logical thinking, can only shout ^ Ata of all ... not understanding that with their exclamations they interfere more than help establish the truth ... I think that they do not need the truth ... they just need to discredit our president ... On this forum, it stinks with white ribbons ...
            1. Ribwort
              Ribwort 7 December 2012 14: 26
              +10
              Quote: Gorchakov
              Do not pay attention to the liberals putting you cons ...

              Why did they decide that the liberals put the minuses? Somehow, the Novodvorskys, the Nemtsovs and the Kasyanovs, I have not met here. On the other hand, pro-Kremlin trolls, ready to "logically" justify the need for a corrupt government, meet with enviable consistency.
              Quote: Gorchakov
              they just need to discredit our president

              Your president with a team of hangers-on already and you’ll lie to dust, so you shouldn’t even try ...
              Quote: Gorchakov
              This forum directly stinks of white ribbons ...

              You would be the perfumers ... laughing
              1. Bigriver
                Bigriver 7 December 2012 16: 04
                +1
                Ribwort
                ... Why did they decide that the liberals put the minuses? Somehow, the Novodvorskys, the Nemtsovs and the Kasyanovs, I have not met here. On the other hand, pro-Kremlin trolls, ready to "logically" justify the need for a corrupt government, meet with enviable consistency.

                Cons put forward by fans of simple solutions. Such have always been at all times.
                They understand everything: in politics, in the defense industry, in strategy, philosophy, etc.
                It is these "professionals" who classify the local community into species. And, apparently, you were led ??? You are also ready to talk about the Kremlin trolls :)))
                1. Ribwort
                  Ribwort 7 December 2012 16: 26
                  +5
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  They understand everything: in politics, in the defense industry, in strategy, philosophy, etc.

                  By no means ... I do not participate in the discussion of topics that are not close to me or do not understand. In this case, I read more the opinions of others. But when I see that certain participants are brainstorming in their heads, trying to find an excuse for things that are obvious to the majority (though not voiced by a court decision), which are understandable even at the everyday level, what should I think? For example this:
                  Quote: esaul
                  I just want to add that Putin probably knew about the growing abuses .... but considered the situation at that time not “mature enough”.
                  May Valery forgive me, but corruption is a cancer of our country. Looking forward to when it ripens? Or the fact that the government is completely "godfather, matchmaker, brother, husband ..." and the replacement of some characters with others looks more like an intra-family showdown, also needs some kind of proof? And what kind of "difficult" decisions can be in this case?
                  1. Bigriver
                    Bigriver 7 December 2012 17: 45
                    0
                    Ribwort
                    Do you know what the difference is between "opinion" and "judgment"?
                    You yourself, personally, are ready to judge the process .., people .., the system?
                    Well no?
                    It is advisable to respond promptly.
                    1. Ribwort
                      Ribwort 7 December 2012 17: 55
                      +3
                      Quote: BigRiver
                      You yourself, personally, are ready to judge the process .., people .., the system?

                      Probably I will answer - no. I think, like most on this site. And what should follow from this? There are no those who judge - there is no punishment for the perfect?
                2. esaul
                  esaul 7 December 2012 18: 07
                  -4
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  They understand everything: in politics, in the defense industry, in strategy, philosophy, etc.

                  good
                  I remember the film "Member of the Government" Soviet. On the podium is a collective farmer who was sent (!) To the congress, as a stick for the people's eyes - "Here I stand ...! A simple Russian woman ...!"

                  Beautiful tales, however sculpted in the Union. The woman remained a woman, and Madame Furtsevs carried out the policy, spreading her legs.
                  1. Brother Sarych
                    Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 18: 12
                    +1
                    Real Cossack, you can’t say anything!
                    And what about Furtseva? She got out of here? You might think that someone here was holding a candle ...
                    By the way, those who knew her always claimed that the woman was very sane, not a couple of the current ...
                  2. Cavas
                    Cavas 7 December 2012 18: 14
                    +4
                    Everyone knows that there are no former intelligence agents. In Russia, even children know that more loyal to their homeland than Russian intelligence, are only in Hollywood. President Putin is unlikely to be an exception here, and probably being in his post today, he does a little more than the president who took this place before him did. It’s not that the “past” is absolutely not what he did, but every Russian will gladly agree that “the current president is not just the old, but quite the opposite.”

                    Outside of Russia, too, a large number of various politicians recognize the effectiveness of President Putin. As a matter of fact, this effectiveness is somehow suspicious, it is too effective. Too Putin is focused on the result. In a somewhat suspicious way, all his efforts end in an inevitable success, which yesterday seemed to be not close and all of a sudden! Everything as if by a wave of a magic wand is folded into the pattern Putin needs. Just one turn of the kaleidoscope and here it is the desired result, although one more rotation before that, nothing portended such a result. Let's look at the palette of events of recent days.

                    In the post-Soviet space: Gagauzia decides in a referendum on joining the CU. Saakashvili was blown away like a turkey on the eve of Thanksgiving. Latvian citizens receive the right to traditional spelling of surnames and middle name in the passport. Estonia is forced to drastically cut spending on its armed forces. Yanukovych declared the need to join some provisions of the Customs Union.

                    Beyond: The German Foreign Minister urged the Germans to respect the Russians with great respect. Putin’s visit to Turkey ended on a high note, with numerous contracts and brilliant new prospects for the two countries. The US Senate decided to stop funding the development of the new MEADS. Voting on the Palestinian question ended in success for Russia. Most countries voted in solidarity with Russia, not with the United States.
                    Someone may ask, well, what is common in these completely independent from each other events? The answer here may be very simple: The interests of Russia are common in all this. Of course, they themselves do not coincide in a single pattern, behind this is the great work of different people, collectives and even departments. If the author worked in any of the analytical divisions of the United States, then he would certainly try to track how all these teams bring together the results of their work, how they coordinate their efforts, and then how it turns into plans that Russia has recently implemented simply with brilliance. And most importantly, who are all these people!

                    Former US Secretary of Defense Mr. Robert Gates is trying to understand how this is organized in Russia. He became known since when, together with his teacher, Mr. Brzezinski, he imposed a war on the USSR with Afghanistan. It was a hard lesson for the Russians, but they learned it well. The old fox Gates from time to time tries to drag Russia into some next devastating war, but either he has lost his grip or the “cunning lads” are opposing him from the Russian side, but Gates still does not manage to capture Russia.

                    In this regard, the behavior of the Russian president is interesting. As we see, Putin is playing with the West the same game in which the West would like to draw Russia. Transit to Afghanistan and even a transshipment point in Ulyanovsk are all elements of a game that inflicts huge costs on the American economy. This is so to say in the field of "cooperation", but this is not limited to this. In countries where Russia and the United States directly compete, it is also not so simple. Those who closely monitor political events in the world can see how slowly, but confidently, Putin is recouping territories lost over the past 20 years.
                    1. Cavas
                      Cavas 7 December 2012 18: 17
                      +2
                      For his part, Putin offers his own game. As you know, up to half a trillion dollars will be spent on the rearmament of the Russian Armed Forces in the next 10 years. This is an unprecedented amount for the Russian budget. It is clear that in order to comply, the United States will have to spend perhaps four times as much. There is no such money now, so Putin is simply stripping the West.

                      Previously, the United States used foreign money that flowed in the United States very well. In 2008, every day in the form of investments "flowed" to a billion dollars a day. Now there is no money or strangers. In addition, now the dollar zone is becoming smaller and the ruble zone is increasing. For example, with Turkey and the CIS countries, Russia will begin to pay in national currencies, this causes anger in the US Federal Reserve. Any other state would not get away with it, but God and nuclear weapons preserve Russia.

                      At the end of the last century and in the first decade of the present, Russia suffered a boorish attitude from the West. It seemed that Putin was just tolerating him, but as it turned out back then, Putin was preparing a revenge. Remember the time when everyone tried to kick Russia, even microscopic as mushroom spores of the Baltic states, those who were not a state before the USSR, for example, Moldova, also disgusted. The foolish Saakashvili came the farthest. Let no one say that starting a war in South Ossetia is his personal initiative.

                      Given the fact that American troops were stationed in Georgia, it can be argued that the United States would never have allowed some kind of banana king to dominate and thus jeopardize American citizens or even drag the United States into a war with Russia. Thus, it turns out that the United States and Israel knew about Saakashvili’s plans and even participated directly in them. Nevertheless, they simply used Saakashvili, and by the way, today the United States is ready to back down from him and surrender it.

                      All these events were observed and systematized as directed by Putin. Asymmetric responses were developed, always sharp as dagger lunges. These counterattack attacks inflicted very tangible damage. Here we can talk about the withdrawal from the CFE Treaty, when Russia refused to abide by its terms, there were many other answers. All of them were united by only one thing, to force the US economy to disperse its funds.

                      Putin understands perfectly well that no international treaties will be able to keep the United States and NATO from the temptation to take possession of the Russian bowels and lands, among which the most valuable is probably a huge amount of fresh water. Could not international treaties save Yugoslavia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, now now the matter has reached Syria. Of course, the time will come to check on the fortress of Russia. It is to Russia that Uncle Sam wants to get close, read big American capital.

                      Putin realized that Russia has only one task. Whatever it is cooperation with the United States or rivalry, but it should cost America to the maximum. Putin doesn’t need the United States to withdraw troops from Afghanistan, it doesn’t need the United States to stop heating up the situation around the world, this all emasculates the US economy - America’s main weapon.
                      1. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 18: 18
                        +3
                        Previously, it was not possible to catch the United States in financial scissors - the maximum expenses against the background of minimal incomes, but the president’s president’s gossip drunkard, the cowboy president plunged the country into an economic spending breakthrough, and here Putin realized that you shouldn’t doze off. We need to consolidate the status quo with all sorts of actions. For this, cooperation programs, Russian transit of American cargo, and so on, were approved. Now all that was needed was to continue such efforts, and America would ruin itself.
                        However, Obama, already the last two years has begun to sharply reduce the costly part of his economy. Numerous programs, military supplies, and even troops withdrawn from hot spots were curtailed. Without financial support, both countries and movements and just some people who previously very well fed the State Department remained (some of them are still feeding now). It became known that many US defense and rearmament programs fell under the guillotine. This does not suit Putin and he announces that he will rearm the army by half a trillion dollars. If you want, you don’t want, but America will have to shell out many times more money to match.

                        Further, Putin also allocates an additional about 134 billion rubles for the development of military space programs, and this happens when Congress is trying to close MEADS, which are at the last stage of development of air defense systems. Putin clearly needs this work to be completed and funding not to stop. He is constantly ahead of Obama by one step. Today, it is Putin who brings the American economy to the greatest expenses, while Putin does not increase his “external” expenses and Russia does not bear any special expenses.

                        Generally speaking, all this looks like some kind of very competent wiring. Announcing trillions of defense spending in the current environment is practically ruining the United States. The reader may object that the Russian budget will also cost a lot. This is where the main doubts arise. Announcing the allocation of funds and really allocating them are two different things. The current activity in the fight against theft of funds in the army, in the Glonass project and beyond can be simply ostentatious. Say we allocated money and plundered them. Or maybe no one allocated anything? Let's say a part was allocated to Glonass, and the rest they said that they had stolen. The same is true for other defense programs.

                        This layout (if this is true) has the status of a strategic weapon and can be arbitrarily costly and large-scale. Putin is a great master of the political game and he always has a couple of cards in his sleeve. His secret war primarily pursues the main goal - the Fed. Sooner or later, the self-discredited Fed must fall. The country will live on real money, then probably the United States and Russia will be able to become partners, but so far the relationship remains very complicated and the real initiative today is already on the side of Russia.


                        And now, gentlemen, decide the forum users which of you is right. and who is not! hi
                      2. Uncle
                        Uncle 7 December 2012 20: 25
                        +4
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Announcing trillions of defense spending in the current environment is practically ruining the United States.
                        Perhaps we are ruining the USA, but why canceled free school lunches !!! And there’s not enough paid !!! Why is the child allowance 750 rubles !!!
                      3. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 20: 54
                        0
                        Quote: Uncle
                        Perhaps we are ruining the USA, but why canceled free school lunches !!!

                        Understand correctly, I’m not protecting anyone, but I have my own opinion.
                        So, while studying in the USSR a special school with a bias in English, the best school in the city, we did not have free lunches. We drove food from the restaurant! (Donut cost 5 kopecks, bread with a patty 10 kopecks, the second cost 22 kopecks)
                        So I don’t understand what you mean? request
                        Quote: Uncle
                        And there’s not enough paid !!!

                        The only question is KShP, they need to be torn to the fullest, and they also ask kickbacks from suppliers, is GDP also to blame?

                        Quote: Uncle
                        Why is the child allowance 750 rubles !!!

                        PRESIDIUM OF THE SUPREME COUNCIL OF THE USSR

                        DECREE
                        from 25 September to 1974 year

                        ON INTRODUCING ALLOWANCES FOR CHILDREN TO LOW-SUPPORTED FAMILIES

                        (as amended and supplemented by Decree of the Presidium of the USSR Armed Forces
                        from 13.12.1983 - Vedomosti Armed Forces of the USSR, 1983, N 51, Art. 783)

                        In order to create better conditions for the upbringing of the younger generation and to increase material assistance to low-income families with children, the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR decides:
                        1. Introduce allowances for children to families in which the average total income per family member does not exceed 50 rubles a month.
                        In areas of the Far East and Siberia, as well as in northern and other regions of the country, according to the list determined by the Council of Ministers of the USSR, child allowances are assigned to families in which the average total income per family member does not exceed 75 rubles per month.
                        2. Assign child allowances and pay to families:
                        a) workers and employees;
                        b) members of collective farms;
                        c) military personnel;
                        d) students of higher and secondary special educational institutions, colleges, schools and training courses;
                        e) retirees.
                        3. Benefits are assigned and paid in the amount of 12 rubles per month for each child until he reaches 8 years of age.
                        4. The payment of allowances for children to the families of workers, employees, students, military personnel and retirees is carried out at the expense of the state budget, and to families of collective farm members, pensioners from among collective farm members and workers and employees working on collective farms under an employment contract, from centralized funds Union Fund for Social Security of collective farmers.
                        5. From November 1, 1974, collective farms (including fishing) and inter-collective farm enterprises and organizations make monetary contributions to the centralized union social security fund for collective farmers in order and amounts determined by the USSR Council of Ministers to pay child benefits.
                        6. Child allowances are not subject to taxation.
                        7. To instruct the Council of Ministers of the USSR to approve, in accordance with this Decree, the Regulation on the procedure for assigning and paying child benefits to low-income families, which, in particular, provides for:
                        the circle of persons equated in the right to receive child benefits to citizens specified in Article 2 of this Decree;
                        types of income taken into account when calculating the average total family income.
                        8. This Decree shall enter into force on November 1, 1974.
                      4. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 23: 53
                        -1
                        Quote: Uncle
                        Perhaps we are ruining the USA, but why canceled free school lunches !!! And there’s not enough paid !!! Why is the child allowance 750 rubles !!!

                        What would only with the ruin of the United States not to reach the standard of living of S. Korea. Anyway, there’s an old saying
                        While the fat dries, the thin one dies.
                        By the way, in the USA they understand that they are being ruined?
                      5. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 01: 27
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        By the way, in the USA they understand that they are being ruined?

                        Here is your teacher’s score!
                        In 2012, a new work by Brzezinski appears - "Strategic Vision", in which two main lines stand out. The first is a description of the current state of America. The second is the search for such options for the development of the United States that would allow America to escape the fate of the Soviet Union. Brzezinski does not hide: "The United States of 2010-2012 is very reminiscent of the Soviet Union in the 1980s." He highlights significant similarities between two types of states:

                        a frozen, ossified and incapable of reform political system;

                        financial bankruptcy due to military adventures and a bloated military budget;

                        declining living standards of the US population;

                        the presence of a political class that is not sensitive to growing social inequality and that thinks only of its own enrichment;

                        attempts to compensate for the declining legitimacy of power within the US by seeking foreign policy threats;

                        US foreign policy leading to self-isolation in the world.

                        And hence the main question: what should be done to keep the United States "global leadership"? The answer for those who are familiar with many years of Brzezinski's activities may seem unexpected. Russophobe offers an alliance with Russia!

                        So are you freaking out ?! laughing
                      6. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 09: 57
                        +2
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Why are you freaking out?

                        Fear, in my opinion, YOU.
                        Brzezinski may be right, of course (the old 88-year-old senile), but when the people feel good, he somehow does not think about tomorrow, I have the impression (after the last visit to the USA - only 2 years ago). Yes, it’s hard and a lot of work - but the standard of living - God forbid everyone and just do not think about the collapse.
                        I understand that it’s not a problem that my cow is dead, the problem is that my neighbor is alive.
                        Name at least one reform initiated by Medvedev or Putin - which has been successfully implemented
                        Military, Medical, Education, Housing and Public Utilities? --- I can continue.
                        So are you freaking out?
                      7. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 10: 16
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        I understand that it’s not a problem that my cow is dead, the problem is that my neighbor is alive.

                        )) An eternal Jewish problem, you are famously trying to cross it on our shoulders!
                        Quote: Karish
                        Name at least one reform initiated by Medvedev or Putin - which has been successfully implemented
                        Military, Medical, Education, Housing and Public Utilities? --- I can continue.

                        Since when has Israel been worried about Russia?
                        Probably since when Germany slapped Netanyahu.
                        After the Czech Republic, Prime Minister Netanyahu met with Mrs. Merkel. It was a gross mistake. The purpose of the meeting was to show the unity of Israel and Germany. Moreover, this is not unity in the generally accepted sense. Israel skillfully manipulated Germany by pushing Germany and recalling that Germany was once the Third Reich and destroyed a huge number of Jews. By speculating on this terrible past, Israel could easily get the position of Germany he needed. However, Germany began to bother this game. No one wants to feel forever guilty. Taking advantage of such massive disobedience in the vote, Germany decided only to abstain, but this turned out to be a very sensitive slap in the face. So without agreeing to anything, Netanyahu could not look into Merkel’s eyes at the end of the meeting.


                        Quote: Karish
                        about tomorrow, I have such an impression and developed (after the last visit to the United States - only 2 years ago). Yes, it’s hard and a lot of work - but the standard of living - God forbid everyone and just do not think about the collapse.

                        Convincing argument! laughing
                        Steeper than just rocks! wassat
                      8. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 15: 57
                        0
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Steeper than just rocks!

                        Steeper than rocks - eggs cooked in a steep.
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Since when has Israel been worried about Russia?
                        Probably since when Germany slapped Netanyahu.

                        This is your desire, although I don’t give a damn about it (what and how Netanyahu got it or not) This will not affect my living standards, nor on medical care. neither at the level of education, nor even at the level of security. With or without Netanyahu - everything will remain at the same proper level tongue
                        But to my question
                        Quote: Karish
                        Name at least one reform initiated by Medvedev or Putin - which has been successfully implemented

                        Why do you answer the question m laughing
                        You are not a Jew laughing
                        More specifically, pliz bully
                      9. Normal
                        Normal 7 December 2012 23: 36
                        +5
                        Quote: Cavas
                        And now, gentlemen, decide the forum users which of you is right. and who is not!
                        Bravo, Cavas, Bravo. No one will reproach me with sympathy for Putin, but you respect. To object to you I have no arguments (not yet)
                        Hey! Aksakal, esaul and others. Learn how to speak on the side of Putin. This is not about liberoids and the State Department with a swamp barrel organ to twist.
                        Yes there esaul with aksakal, there is something for Mikhail Leontev to learn.
                        Bravissimo! good

                        PS But still I do not like Putin .... wink
                      10. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 23: 41
                        +1
                        Quote: Normal
                        Bravo, Cavas, Bravo.

                        THX! laughing
                        Quote: Normal
                        To object to you I have no arguments (not yet

                        I hope it will not! laughing
                        Quote: Normal
                        PS But still I do not like Putin ...

                        You know, I also like girls more like that! (Sorry for vulgarity) hi

                        Quote: Normal
                        Yes there esaul with aksakal, there is something for Mikhail Leontev to learn.

                        Well, it’s you who have already bent, to me, oh, how far! feel
                      11. Normal
                        Normal 8 December 2012 00: 34
                        +3
                        Quote: Cavas
                        I hope it will not!

                        Well, it's you in vain ... Do not expect laughing
                        Quote: Cavas
                        You know, I also like girls more like that! (Sorry for vulgarity)

                        Old anecdote:
                        -Doctor, I'm probably a lesbian ...
                        - ???
                        - You see ... there are so many handsome guys around, but for some reason I am attracted to women.

                        You know, I also like girls ... but I don’t like Putin ... This is such a paradox ... wassat
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Well, it’s you who have already bent, to me, oh, how far!

                        Do not be modest ... This is the first two far from you. And the third is simply more famous. Just, I ask you, do not be like the first two characters, they already have a sore point on the site, although without esaula it really was boring. But then he came back and immediately many teeth ached belay
                      12. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 00: 48
                        +1
                        Quote: Normal
                        Do not be modest ... This is the first two far from you.

                        And you are not at all as simple as you seem, you have not seen such a thin instigator for a long time! laughing
                        R.S. No offense, plus definitely! hi
                        It's nice to talk with a smart person! hi
                      13. aksakal
                        aksakal 8 December 2012 01: 36
                        0
                        Quote: Normal
                        Hey! Aksakal, esaul and others. Learn how to speak on the side of Putin. This is not about liberoids and the State Department with a swamp barrel organ to twist. Yes there esaul with aksakal, there is something to learn for Mikhail Leontev too. Bravissimo!
                        - in fact, is it only a matter of presenting the material? Not in the essence, not in that. that they turned out to be right in the end, but only that tongue-tied ones? Alas, I admit, I especially do not know how to write. But to be honest, then you, Romanov, have not far left in the mastery of writing. And actually, I am dissatisfied with my already excessively long posts, I certainly will not be enough for such sheets in three layers laughing As for the State Department and the marshes - deny this phenomenon? Yes. there are no these factors, all this fiction, I agree and if I agreed laughing As for liberoids, you don’t like Putin (by the way, if anything, I didn’t notice any resemblance in him to any of the world’s, but not the world’s banknotes that everyone would like), I do not like liberal infection. I don’t like this ideology, people get wild from it, and girls behave like prostitutes - they are married only for money, what kind of guy is there that has that money. it doesn’t matter anymore. already before the sale of virginity came. And the only measure of success is money. Moreover, it does not matter how. Killed someone for the money? And you weren’t caught? Pretty boy! Well done! Well, at least treat a beer, if you got rich? Each does not like his own, here I am not a decree for you laughing But while there is an opportunity and the moderator allows, I will react sharply to liberoid stuffing, so do not blame me.
                      14. Normal
                        Normal 8 December 2012 17: 08
                        +1
                        Quote: aksakal
                        not that. that you ended up right

                        No, it's not about tongue-tiedness and presentation of the material, it's about the material itself. It is clear that Savas did not come up with everything himself, but translated materials from foreign publications (text in blue). But in these materials, the rationale and successes of Putin's policy, and in your posts with esaul and alexneg, there is only mossy Surkov propaganda. All the same mantras about liberoids, the State Department, oranges and marsh white-tape marshes that have set the teeth on edge. It's time for you to change the record, otherwise the old one is already painfully washed down and "stutters" Learn ... Fortunately, there is someone.
                        And why did you get that right? Did you decide that yourself? Well, this is not new. In general, you tend to overestimate the significance and degree of impact on the public of your statements.
                        Then you say that I was convicted of something, although I did not even understand how and in what
                        Having expressed yourself in one topic, the next day and in another topic, referring to your very controversial statement, you declare that you proved something there yesterday. Now, completely groundlessly, you declare yourself and your like-minded people right, and so to speak, in passing, as if it goes without saying.
                        I practically did not participate in this discussion, well, except for a little communication with Cavas. And as an outside observer, I will say that if it were not for the posts of Cavasa, then you and esaulom and others could be counted as a defeat, and Romanov, Karish and baltike-18 and his comrades could be awarded a victory, and with a clear advantage. Cavasa's participation in this "battle" on your side led to a combat "draw" Which does not negate esaula's personal defeat.
                        Well, what about
                        Quote: aksakal
                        I do not like liberal infection. I don’t like this ideology, people get wild from it, and girls act like prostitutes

                        Quote: aksakal
                        . And the only measure of success is money.

                        I already wrote that I consider everything you have listed as one of the results of the policy conducted under the guise of Putin. Just do not say that he is struggling with this, (for 13 years already, but there is no result, or rather there is a result, only negative) I'm already a big boy and I don’t believe in fairy tales hi
                      15. aksakal
                        aksakal 10 December 2012 13: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Normal
                        I already wrote that I consider everything you have listed as one of the results of the policy conducted under the guise of Putin. Just do not say that he is struggling with this, (for 13 years already, but there is no result, or rather there is a result, only negative) I'm already a big boy and I don’t believe in fairy tales

                        - Something I did not notice that Putin is engaged in ideology and educational work with the people. He is more concerned with foreign policy and domestic economics, which Kawas described. But what are these successes - they evaluate everything differently, you are more negative (the glass is half empty), I am more positive (the glass is half full). The aberoid ideology was not imposed by the amers even under the hunchback, but even under Brezhnev (the Highlife movement, under Brezhnev only among golden boys, with humpback - among the entire population), and what does Putin have to do with it? If he didn’t even express his consent or disagreement with this ideology. You blame him for what he did not do at all.
                        Perhaps he should deal with a change of ideology, but no one told him that. In the election wishes of what just was not! - put Amera in place, the growth of GDP and living standards and other. But not a word about it. I see this discussion only on this site.
                        If you think that such an ideology has developed as a result of economic policy, then I indicated above that there is no way, ideology first came, and the economy was ripe with Gaidar. Putin is just honing the current liberal economy - it is also quite workable and can act in Russia's favor if the oligarchs are stalled and not let out.
                        And further events need to be observed. Putin has already hinted to the oligarchs that since it happened so, it would be nice for the people to unfasten such an amount that the people would consider their losses compensated. The oligarchs did not understand or pretended not to understand. Something I don’t remember that Putin would forget such things or forgive such things - surely such incomprehensibility will come out so sideways, about which Khazin can say - "Reincarnation of the red project" - he predicts it. Just put it off for a while. In general, taking everything away from the oligarchs is now a civil war, and definitely. Never in history has the good been voluntarily given away. Do you think Putin is to blame for not starting a war yet? Explain specifically what Putin is to blame?
                        I can only see sharp dissatisfaction with Putin precisely because of the heart. And I think it’s a mistake that Putin didn’t go out among the people and either didn’t apologize as if by Sabzh, or he could harshly say his opinion on how he knows how to do it - when they pressed him and Hodor, he threw pieces of paper, then I don’t remember that someone would get up and object to something - they would pull their heads into their shoulders and be silent in a rag. It would be better to do these two things than to pretend that nothing happened. It looks as if it does not consider it necessary to communicate with the public, considering it unworthy of this.
                        And you just do not like Putin. And even when I compared Putin with Nazarbayev in terms of raising daughters, you managed to accuse Putin of poorly raising daughters on the grounds that they do not want to do anything, they do not even want to engage in raiding -)))). You would have raised your daughters to appreciate so.
                        I will honestly say - due to the fact that I have to help the school where my daughter is studying, I caught my daughter trying to play this, to convert my authority to some kind of academic relief. I had to make a suggestion. So educate your own before you blame it, just to blame it.
                      16. Normal
                        Normal 11 December 2012 14: 40
                        0
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Something I did not notice that Putin is engaged in ideology and educational work with the people.

                        Here I am about that! He is engaged in trade in natural resources, that is, simply selling out the Motherland, and what his appointees do under his cover in the country is to him the drum. Well, unless there is a hint of a threat to his rule. Then of course he will be very indignant.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        What does Putin have to do with it? If he didn’t even express his consent or disagreement with this ideology.
                        So hello to you ... Have you forgotten by chance what position he held? As far as I understand, the president should determine the ideology and development strategy of the country. Well, as a last resort, have your own position on this issue. And he is not "be" not "me". Well, then everything suits him
                        Quote: aksakal
                        You blame him for what he did not do at all.

                        Not true. I accuse him of inaction and concern only with personal power
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Perhaps he should deal with a change of ideology, but no one told him that. In the election wishes of what just was not! - put Amera in place, the growth of GDP and living standards and other. But not a word about it. I see this discussion only on this site.

                        Harosh! Well actually, not funny already. Not voiced to him ... But he himself does not know? And everything has already been voiced, and not only on this site.
                        In general, it seems to me that you take me for a schoolboy. You give me so naive arguments.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Putin is just honing the existing liberal economy - it is also quite workable and can act in Russia's favor if the oligarchs are stalled
                        Well, you let slip. Putin is a liberoid laughing,
                        and leader of all liberoids. And he had plenty of time to stall the oligarchs. Yes, only things are there.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Here explain specifically what Putin is to blame?
                        Have mercy, I have every third post about this. If it’s not enough for you, I’ll come from work.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        And you just do not like Putin.
                        And you just love Putin. They just don’t love for something, but love just because they love everything.
                        About daughters later - it's time to work hi
                      17. Normal
                        Normal 11 December 2012 22: 15
                        0
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Putin has already hinted to the oligarchs

                        To listen to you, so you were directly present at the same time, as well as you were present at Putin’s harsh hitting of your daughters; they say there is nothing here while I am president. Alas, neither one nor the other is convincing, not believable, and indeed not true. There was no such ...
                        Quote: aksakal
                        Khazin can say - "Reincarnation of the red project" - he predicts it. Just put it off for a while.

                        Well, you don’t tell me about Khazin. Khazin and Putin are not two things in common. Do not confuse the social idealist with the progmatic official. Putin postponed the reincarnation of the red project for a while - even Leontiev and Surkov could never have thought of such a thing. No, you are definitely fantastic.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        In general, now, to take everything from the oligarchs is a civil war, and definitely.
                        Where such confidence? Who will come out with arms on the side of the oligarchy? Army? White officers? Or maybe the "office proletariat"? Don't fool us. No one will speak up for the world eaters and there will be no civil war
                        Quote: aksakal
                        It looks as if it does not consider it necessary to communicate with the public, considering it unworthy of this.
                        It doesn't just "look", it does. And why should he consider the public worthy of his apologies and explanations? It is not his first term in office that he has been leading this public around his finger. Feeds PR and promises, lies to the arrogant and rude to anyone without embarrassment. So what? What has the public done? NOTHING! So why on earth? ...
                        Quote: Normal
                        you managed to blame Putin for the poor upbringing of your daughters,
                        Quote please. With my accusation of Putin for the poor education of his daughters.
                        Quote: aksakal
                        on the grounds that they do not want to do anything, do not even want to engage in raiding -
                        Please quote where I say that Putin’s daughters do not want to do anything. (And raiding is truly a female occupation, everyone knows that)

                        Quote: aksakal
                        So educate your own before you blame it, just to blame it.
                        Once again. Do not attribute to me what you yourself thought up.
                        And how I bring up my daughters, I'm sorry, it's not your business. I didn’t touch either your daughter or Putin’s daughters. (Besides writing that they didn’t live in Russia) They have nothing to do with our dispute, as well as Nazarbayev’s daughters, too.
                      18. Karish
                        Karish 7 December 2012 23: 56
                        -1
                        Quote: Cavas
                        And now, gentlemen, decide the forum users which of you is right. and who is not!

                        Probably right are those who advise applying a moisturizer to the tongue when the authorities lick. What would they not just be pleased, but very nice.
                        laughing
                      19. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 00: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Karish
                        Probably right are those who advise applying a moisturizer to the tongue when the authorities lick. What would they not just be pleased, but very nice.

                        Where does such a deep knowledge of licking come from, and even with creme? laughing
                        You are directly ass, I understand the practice, practice and practice again! laughing
                        Well, I will not bother you, Mr. .. ?????? ... .. wassat
                      20. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 15: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Where does such a deep knowledge of licking come from, and even with creme?

                        Strange, from all my comments (more than 1600) find at least one where I sang the praises of our government (Netanyahu and Co.), find, believe me, I’ll use cream tongue
                    2. ozs
                      ozs 7 December 2012 18: 33
                      +3
                      Those who closely monitor political events in the world can see how slowly, but confidently, Putin is recouping territories lost over the past 20 years.

                      I want to cry because of how Russia "wins back".
                      Leaving Cuba, Vietnam, surrendering Central Asia to the United States, joining the Baltic states in NATO, the war with Georgia, losing hope of returning to Libya, the current surrender of Syria, continue? And this is not even for 20 years, but only for 10. It is the current government, and not the EBN, that is responsible.
                      1. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 18: 44
                        0
                        Quote: ozs
                        Leaving Cuba, Vietnam, surrendering Central Asia to the United States, joining the Baltic states in NATO, the war with Georgia, losing hope of returning to Libya, the current surrender of Syria, continue?

                        Go on, go on.
                        Would you sponsor Camran or Cuba?
                        The war with Georgia, it was necessary to wipe off and not interfere?
                        Libya -Kadafi all offered, but he decided first with one. and then when I realized that the clamp was tightening, it was too late. On two chairs to sit, the seat is not enough!
                        Syria is already a year since the Americans have been trying to conquer it, and things are still there, Russia even printed money and transported it, it is clear that it will fall, the human resource is not unlimited, but your suggestions are to attack America or bomb Turkey?
                        Russian intelligence calculated and warned Syria about a possible militant attack on Damascus this Saturday, thanks to this, the SAF dispelled these forces with a direct strike, what else do you have over-massed zinc coffins with our boys?
                      2. ozs
                        ozs 7 December 2012 19: 43
                        +7
                        Would you sponsor Camran or Cuba?

                        It’s better to finance a base in Cuba than feldmebel girls.
                        The war with Georgia, it was necessary to wipe off and not interfere?

                        It was necessary to prevent this at all. And then hostile states appear on our borders, now and then. Color revolutions, an indicator of complete failure in foreign policy in the USSR.

                        Libya -Kadafi all offered, but he decided first with one. and then when I realized that the clamp was tightening, it was too late. On two chairs to sit, the seat is not enough!

                        Oh, there’s no need to dissemble here. But somehow it does not work out well. After all, events were not so long ago. If forgotten, then I will remind. First, Russia writes off debts of Libya, in exchange for contracts totaling about $ 4 billion, and then supports the terrorists who successfully send Russia to ....

                        Syria is already a year since the Americans have been trying to conquer it, and things are still there, Russia even printed money and transported it, it is clear that it will fall, the human resource is not unlimited, but your suggestions are to attack America or bomb Turkey?

                        Why should I come up with an ordinary layman how to help the allies of Russia. Why then do we have the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and other structures, for which they receive money there? One thing is obvious to me that even if something is being done, then this is clearly not enough, since the result is not in favor of Russia and Syria so far.
                      3. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 20: 10
                        0
                        Quote: ozs
                        It’s better to finance a base in Cuba than feldmebel girls.

                        Yeah, the GDP imposed on them by him. laughing
                        Quote: ozs
                        It was necessary to prevent this at all. And then hostile states appear on our borders, now and then. Color revolutions, an indicator of complete failure in foreign policy in the USSR.

                        With one stroke of the pen you overshadowed our entire Foreign Ministry.
                        Bravo! laughing
                        Kozyrev recall?
                        Quote: ozs
                        First, Russia writes off the debts of Libya, in exchange for contracts totaling about $ 4 billion, and then supports the terrorists who successfully send Russia to ...

                        Let me remind you, Russia in Libya was not an active player, and where did the Libyan debt come from? laughing
                        Quote: ozs
                        Why should I come up with an ordinary layman how to help the allies of Russia.

                        Nobody asks you, they just tell you, stop shouting at the whole site all the time, everyone is guilty of GDP, and nothing is being done in this world.
                        Read newspapers (western, and some of ours) between the lines, as was done in the USSR. hi
                        Quote: ozs
                        One thing is obvious to me that even if something is being done, then this is clearly not enough, since the result is not in favor of Russia and Syria.

                        Write a letter to GDP and tell us that you are better. than Lavrov, it’s just that your life has developed like that — you only know how to criticize, but if you are given power, then you ogogohow much you will do for Russia, but sitting in its place you can’t! laughing
                      4. S_mirnov
                        S_mirnov 7 December 2012 21: 11
                        +3
                        GDP imposed Serdyuk on the post of minister! And he warmed the girls himself!
                        Eclipse is our Foreign Ministry is not difficult because it does not really do nichrome.
                        "They just tell you, stop shouting at the whole site, everything is all wrong, everywhere the GDP is to blame," Exactly, let's keep quiet about this, and suddenly everything will correct itself.
                        The position of a true coward.
                        "but if you are given power, then you will do so much for Russia" - do it and do not even hesitate, because any honest person, a patriot of his country would do much more for Russia than VVP and his entire gang with Serdyukov and his mistresses!
                      5. Cavas
                        Cavas 7 December 2012 21: 50
                        0
                        Quote: S_mirnov

                        GDP imposed Serdyuk on the post of minister! And he warmed the girls himself!

                        You or people like you always remind me of Novodvorskaya, that at least feed the whole country with black caviar, she will shout that I quote "commies" and the authorities! laughing
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        Eclipse is our Foreign Ministry is not difficult because it does not really do nichrome.

                        Here he is the child prodigy who will save Russia.
                        Young man, I'm afraid that you cannot even decipher the acronym of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs! laughing
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        The position of a true coward.

                        It’s famously that you manage to hang up stamps, who you are, prosralipolymers, as I understand it! laughing
                        Quote: S_mirnov
                        an honest man, a patriot of his country would have done much more for Russia than GDP!

                        All the same, you remind someone of me, but you remember!



                        and as a continuation

                      6. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 10: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Cavas
                        You or people like you always remind me of Novodvorskaya, that at least feed the whole country with black caviar, she will shout that I quote "commies" and the authorities

                        Have you tried to feed caviar? Maybe they won’t shout laughing
                      7. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 10: 33
                        0
                        Quote: Karish
                        Have you tried to feed caviar? Maybe they won’t shout

                        Novodvorskaya? Let her State Department feed! wassat

                        Caviar can be considered an indicator of the standard of living of the population - it does not apply to essential products, and its demand is directly and very strictly connected with the welfare of consumers.

                        The new economic history of Russia actually begins with the 1998 crisis, when the period of the spontaneous market economy (or the period of the "wild market") ended. The consequences of the economic crisis and the jump in inflation were felt until about mid-2001, around this time stabilization began, and a gradual, but quite pronounced increase in living standards began, not only in the capital, but also in the regions.

                        If caviar is regarded as an indicator of the economic situation of the population in Russia, it is necessary to immediately stipulate that this product has some sacred significance for the Russians. Red caviar is a festive dish, the road is scarce, but quite comparable in terms of affordability! smoked sausage. Black caviar - it was a Symbol, the consumer of black caviar automatically joined the qualitatively different standard of living. Therefore, it is not surprising that as soon as Russian families got the opportunity to consume caviar with varying degrees of regularity, it began to appear on their tables

                        Dynamics of consumption of red caviar in Russia



                        Red caviar can be called a product for Muscovites of all social categories (it is indicative that 13% of families who describe their financial situation as "barely enough money for food" consume this product at least once every 1 months). Among the wealthy strata of the population, the level of consumption of red caviar has probably reached its maximum today: among families who do not experience financial difficulties, the share of consumers of red caviar is about 3%, and among those who have enough money for any needs, except for the purchase of real estate - about 81%.

                        Dynamics of consumption of red caviar in Moscow

                      8. ozs
                        ozs 8 December 2012 13: 52
                        -1
                        The dynamics of changes in oil prices.
                      9. Karish
                        Karish 8 December 2012 16: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Cavas
                        Dynamics of consumption of red caviar in Russia

                        And we have an average patient temperature of 37.3 in hospitals, so what? laughing
                      10. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 16: 34
                        +1
                        Quote: Karish
                        we have an average patient temperature of 37.3 in hospitals, so what?

                        - And from our window
                        Red Square is visible!
                        And from your window
                        Only a little street.


                        Everything is clear with you! laughing
                      11. ozs
                        ozs 8 December 2012 03: 22
                        +1
                        Yeah, the GDP imposed on them by him.

                        He appointed him, and therefore responsible for this mess.
                        And even more so in a department like Moscow Region. It is impossible to say that the felmebel bosses suddenly began to see clearly how assets are being developed and disintegrated there. After all, the feldmebel was engaged in this for five years and it was impossible not to notice it.
                        With one stroke of the pen you overshadowed our entire Foreign Ministry.
                        Bravo!

                        If hostile states appear on our borders, this can only speak of a failure in foreign policy.

                        Let me remind you, Russia in Libya was not an active player, and where did the Libyan debt come from?

                        Which player? Gaddafi refused to pay after Russia violated the obligation of sanctions imposed on Libya.
                        And Russia threw Libya twice and looked with approval at the destruction of the country.
                        Nobody asks you, they just tell you, stop shouting at the whole site all the time, everyone is guilty of GDP, and nothing is being done in this world.

                        And who is responsible for this mess? Who?
                      12. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 14: 18
                        0
                        Quote: ozs
                        If hostile states appear on our borders, this can only speak of a failure in foreign policy.

                        This is logic, then the whole existence of Russia is just a failure, BUT IT STANDS, STANDS AND WILL STAND!
                        Quote: ozs
                        Which player? Gaddafi refused to pay after Russia violated the obligation of sanctions imposed on Libya.

                        Russia supported UN Security Council Resolution No. 1970 on Libya. I think that you do not quite understand what it is. laughing
                        The Russian Federation initially wanted the settlement of the internal problems of Libya to happen peacefully. Other countries already violated this resolution, but not Russia. The Foreign Ministry can’t act exactly as you wish! laughing
                        Whether it was a mistake, yes rather than no, but it may be so. that rather no than yes is politics!
                        Quote: ozs
                        And Russia threw Libya twice and looked with approval at the destruction of the country.

                        Russia has officially joined the UN Security Council sanctions against the Libyan leadership. Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree "On Measures to Implement UN Security Council Resolution 1970 of February 26, 2011". Read the decree will be useful to you!
                        If A said, then B already has to say!

                        Quote: ozs
                        And who is responsible for this mess? Who!

                        Eternal questions; Who is to blame and what to do?
                        I’ll be brief, probably I! wassat
                      13. ozs
                        ozs 8 December 2012 15: 52
                        +1
                        This is the logic, then the whole existence of Russia is just a failure, BUT IT STANDS, STANDS AND WILL STAND!

                        And what do you want to say during the times of the USSR and the Russian Empire, hostile states constantly surrounded us. Yes, there were similar moments and in the end it led to war. Did hostile states surround us after the Second World War?
                        With such rulers, Russia is living out its last years and will soon disappear from the political map.
                        The resource of the USSR is almost completely consumed. The economy is in decline and there is only non-naphthollars. I gave you the above chart for a reason. As oil prices changed, so did the welfare of the population. As oil prices fall, 1991 seems like flowers. The reform of the army is carried out by 26 year-old ssyanki and field-furniture of various stripes. In such conditions it is very difficult to hope for something good.
                        Russia supported UN Security Council Resolution No. 1970 on Libya. I think that you do not quite understand what it is. laughing
                        The Russian Federation initially wanted the settlement of the internal problems of Libya to happen peacefully. Other countries already violated this resolution, but not Russia. The Foreign Ministry can’t act exactly as you wish! laughing
                        Whether it was a mistake, yes rather than no, but it may be so. that rather no than yes is politics!
                        Russia has officially joined the UN Security Council sanctions against the Libyan leadership. Dmitry Medvedev signed a decree "On Measures to Implement UN Security Council Resolution 1970 of February 26, 2011". Read the decree will be useful to you!
                        If A said, then B already has to say!

                        You resort to smiles everywhere, I just can’t understand what’s funny here. Perhaps it’s funny to you that because of the weakness of our country, hundreds of thousands of people have become victims of democratization.

                        But there’s nothing that Russia actually supported the terrorists. And as soon as your language turns, talk about a peaceful scenario. If, with the tacit Russian consent, Libya was bombed by as many as 8 months, is this a peaceful way?
                        Was this a mistake? Well, I don’t know if we consider the loss of contracts for $ 4 billion a success, then of course the dialogue with you further does not make any sense. And not only the loss of contracts, but also the loss of the opportunity for our military to return to Africa. I wonder where you were able to consider political successes in all this.

                        Eternal questions; Who is to blame and what to do?
                        I’ll be brief, probably I!

                        The irony is certainly good. Only here is no practical benefit.
                        And if there is a mess in the department, the head of this department should be responsible for this. Something I could not see what punishment the courier had, for what he did not see, did not want to see, or he stole with his deputies.
                      14. Cavas
                        Cavas 8 December 2012 16: 46
                        0
                        Quote: ozs
                        And what do you want to say during the times of the USSR and the Russian Empire, hostile states constantly surrounded us.

                        You need to read not the propaganda of the liberals, but the story, believe me it is terribly interesting! request
                        Quote: ozs
                        You resort to smiles everywhere, I just can’t understand what’s funny here. Perhaps it’s funny to you that because of the weakness of our country, hundreds of thousands of people have become victims of democratization.

                        It’s funny to me that you are an illiterate person who knows neither history, nor international law, nor any other topic, give advice to cosmic stupidity! laughing
                        But even funnier that you do not want to understand this.! laughing
                        Quote: ozs
                        Something I could not see what punishment the courier had, for what he did not see, did not want to see, or he stole with his deputies.

                        Of course, first you or people like you shout to the whole site that you need to live by the law, and now here is BOP-, to prove this you need evidence and facts (as well as investigators) and welcome to the court!
                        Prove that he is a thief. and do not engage in a hollow bream and the whole country with pleasure (and I even more so) will see how it is planted, so that others are not accustomed!
                        laughing
                      15. ozs
                        ozs 9 December 2012 02: 26
                        +1
                        You need to read not the propaganda of the liberals, but the story, believe me it is terribly interesting!

                        So take an interest in the history of your fatherland. And do not drag liberals here, they are not appropriate here. Well, or at least quote me, where I turned to liberal agitation. And then you become like a chime.

                        It’s funny to me that you are an illiterate person who knows neither history, nor international law, nor any other topic, give advice to cosmic stupidity!

                        It’s right when there is nothing to say, they turn to the individual.

                        Of course, first you or people like you shout to the whole site that you need to live by the law, and now here is BOP-, to prove this you need evidence and facts (as well as investigators) and welcome to the court!
                        Prove that he is a thief. and do not engage in a hollow bream and the whole country with pleasure (and I even more so) will see how it is planted, so that others are not accustomed!

                        I see you are positioning yourself as a person advocating for the law.
                        It's just a pity that you don't understand what a "causal relationship" is. Anyway, please read it again.
                        Something I could not see what punishment the courier had, for what he did not see, did not want to see, or he stole with his deputies.

                        In any case, he should have been punished, since he was directly responsible for the activities of his subordinates.
                        It is not yet clear what the punishment is. If we suppose he did not know about the tricks of his Amazons, which a normal person would never believe, then why was he only fired for negligence?
                      16. Cavas
                        Cavas 9 December 2012 12: 09
                        +1
                        Quote: ozs
                        Well, or at least quote me, where I turned to liberal agitation. AND

                        Read your posts, they are not much different from liberal agitation.
                        Well, if you are not out of harm? laughing
                        Quote: ozs
                        I see you are positioning yourself as a person advocating for the law.

                        All of Russia does not live according to the law, or rather, according to the principle of the law that draws ...
                        Quote: ozs
                        It's just a pity that you don't understand what a "causal relationship" is. Anyway, please read it again.

                        Believe me, I understand very well, but they haven’t been convicted yet ... we’ll look further.

                        Quote: ozs
                        In any case, he should have been punished, since he was directly responsible for the activities of his subordinates.

                        It’ll carry, then even the father-in-law will not be able to grease ... not yet evening.
                        He’s been filmed for five years, I hope they’ll put him faster! :
                      17. ozs
                        ozs 9 December 2012 14: 45
                        +1
                        Read your posts, they are not much different from liberal agitation.

                        I repeat, please quote !!!
                        He’s been filmed for five years, I hope they’ll put him faster!

                        Who shot it for five years?
                  3. Yarbay
                    Yarbay 7 December 2012 18: 23
                    +7
                    Quote: esaul
                    Beautiful tales, however sculpted in the Union. The woman remained a woman, and Madame Furtsevs carried out the policy, spreading her legs.

                    Write already cheap stupidity!
                    That you parted Furtsovoy legs would be shy !!?
                    Surely if at that time we would live, then we would bow to her !!
                    This is your character !!
            2. military
              military 7 December 2012 14: 49
              +2
              Quote: Gorchakov
              But to the lie - the patriots are precisely those who, instead of arguments and real logical thinking, can only shout ^ Ata of all ... not realizing that with their exclamations they more interfere than help establish the truth ... I think that they do not need the truth ... they just need to discredit our president ...

              I do not participate in the "backing track" of your comment ... although I assume that the main backing track goes on the first two phrases of the comment ... recourse
              but in structuring the array of recipients according to the principle of differentiation into "patriots", "hurray-patriots" and "false-hurray-patriots" there is a rational kernel ...
              By the way, for some reason I don’t even doubt the answer to the question, to which category do you belong? ... (purely optional question) feel
            3. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 17: 37
              -5
              GreetingsGorchakov,
              Fortunately, I already can not notice it, thanks. You plus the same wishes, mate drinks
              Quote: Gorchakov
              I think they don’t need the truth ... they just need to discredit our president

              Absolutely right! And I’ll add - the guys are buzzing from the currents.

              "Chu ...! There is no way a yater is hiding in the reeds ...?! Here's how to call her a capercaillie chorus (sorry for such a deep expression from the people, friends! People - he doesn't choose the expression EV)!" , poor fellow, a scallop, something einy - to rattle ...! And to her - in a thrill! ... "And ... EH !!! ... Beautiful ...! Nature, their mother ...! winked (From the notes of the Turgenev hunter. Although, hell knows - did he watch these black grouse ... laughing )
            4. ozs
              ozs 7 December 2012 17: 59
              +4
              I think they don’t need the truth ... they just need to discredit our president ...

              For the last 12 years he has been discrediting himself.
              Serdyukov, Golikova, Fursenko, continue?
              Who appointed them all? Who is responsible for their activities?
              On this forum, it smells of short-sighted admirers of power, who rejoice in the removal of the Moscow Region for having messed up in his department, just getting fired. This primarily concerns you and such Yesaul.
    2. military
      military 7 December 2012 11: 44
      +5
      Quote: aksakal
      There is nobody to look at - Shoigu da Lavrov ... Since when in Russia is such squalor with personnel?

      from recent, elders ... hi if such a system cluster feels a potential threat - it is simply programmed to take measures to prevent it from being destroyed ... implementation paths may vary ... request
      and Kozhugetovich and Lavrov are the same natives of the flawed system ... Onishchenko is out of the game (this one, like the truth ... "somewhere nearby ...") ... recourse
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 7 December 2012 13: 50
        +2
        Quote: military
        from recent ones, aksakal ... if such a system cluster feels a potential threat - it is simply programmed to take measures to prevent it from being destroyed ... implementation paths may vary ...

        - I agree, but then you will have to agree that the West has gone much further along this path - I will quote them again:
        Quote: aksakal
        This is a global process - compare Gaulle and Sarkozy. Compare Kennedy and the Bush. Even Brzezinski or Kissiniger with Clinton, whom I hate. Yes, even Goldu Meir with the current who are you? I don’t even want to know.

        but our process is not entirely unambiguous. Of all the countries listed, only the States have recently chosen a grayness slightly less gray than the previous ones (somehow Obama wins against the background of Bush Jr., although the same grayness). About the rest - the dullness is only increasing. About Putin - I can't compare with Stalin, let history judge, especially since Putin's story is still far from over, but against the background of a criminally weak-willed and just drunk, he is really a bright personality. Quite bright personalities and Hugo (either because of the trogtelny outrageousness, or because of childish spontaneity, it is not clear), and the Belarusian Old Man. Berlusconi was also bright to a certain extent. So our process with "oserivation" is far from so unambiguous and requires further observations.
        I still think that Russia is a part of the world and world processes cannot bypass it. And the "oserization" of the political establishment is clearly a global process. I suppose - if there are already really bright personalities and they already rule the world processes, they simply do not want to "shine", then they do not need bright personalities in public politics. We need accurate performers - and this is always dull. But I'm afraid to even suggest that.
        1. military
          military 7 December 2012 14: 31
          +2
          Quote: aksakal
          This is a global process ...

          and what can I object? ... hi
          however, we live in Russia and the Russian dynamics of this process look too depressing ... perhaps because we paid attention to it too late ...
          Quote: aksakal
          but against the backdrop of a criminally weak-willed and simply drunk, he is really a bright personality.

          we understand that the background level is interconnected with the degree of contrast ... drinks
          Quote: aksakal
          I suppose - if there are already really bright personalities and they already rule the world processes, they simply do not want to "shine", then they do not need bright personalities in public politics. We need accurate performers - and this is always dull. But I'm afraid to even suggest that.

          and here it is difficult to argue ... the dullness of the performers in the official power structures suggests the likelihood of implementing a version of the shadow management scheme ... the thesis "capital rules the world" has not lost its relevance, no matter how much we want it, it lives and flourishes ... he ( capital) today also rules the power elites ... request hi
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 7 December 2012 15: 47
            -1
            Quote: military
            we understand that the background level is interconnected with the degree of contrast

            - I agree, dashing trouble began. There are five years - people need to pick up even better during this time! And just pick it. And the Russian people know how to make it clear - that’s what I understood from EBN. Even through hard drinking, it struck that it was time and honor to know -))))). This is how you need to convey it -)))) But Putin is even smarter and not drunk, so as soon as the people let you know - I’m sure he will act like a man and that’s adequate, not drunk.
            1. military
              military 7 December 2012 17: 02
              +2
              Quote: aksakal
              There are five years - people need to pick up even better during this time! And just pick it.

              you need ... however, the choice is not simple, and it is not so easy to choose ... recourse
              Quote: aksakal
              Even through hard drinking, it struck that it was time and honor to know -))))). This is how to convey it is necessary -))))

              here, nevertheless, I will allow myself to doubt ... I do not pretend to be reliable, but the version that it was his environment that "struck" the fight, and not something else (mind, honor, conscience ...), I believe is more appropriate reality ... and this environment was hardly motivated by the "voice of the people" ... everything is simpler - power and money ... request drinks
            2. esaul
              esaul 7 December 2012 18: 12
              -1
              good

              It's nice, "shyurt pobyery!", That with the military, we may have the same assessments! hi Regarding the comments of the respected aksakal!
              Quite a pleasant, mutually respectful dialogue, warms the soul ...
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 7 December 2012 18: 14
                +2
                Why, without fear of sin, the cuckoo praises the rooster?
                1. Colonel
                  Colonel 7 December 2012 19: 24
                  0
                  false - cheers - patriots

                  it's cooler than the right-left slant
        2. Karish
          Karish 8 December 2012 10: 06
          -3
          Quote: aksakal
          and we have this process is not entirely unambiguous. Of all the listed countries, only in the United States lately grayness has been chosen a little less gray than the previous ones (somehow Obama wins against a bush-ml background, although the same grayness). For the rest - grayness is only increasing.

          Damn, you have 30 years old TV in your yurt. What do you know about what is happening in other countries? On the AUL TV channel, have you seen enough tales?
  7. Pon69
    Pon69 7 December 2012 08: 07
    +3
    The question is different. How do we treat corruption not only at the top, but nearby, at the local level. Local anecdote: the local administration started the renovation of the building as a native. The tender-contract-agreement was signed with a company that is not local at all, "agreed" with a higher-level budget. Guess who is doing the repair? In general, they do not speak Russian, they do not also have some work skills. At the same time, everyone knows how this happens. Everyone understands. The order of the local Taburetkin: to sit to watch the workers, so that nothing is wrong with @ zdili. Till night. Fuck a family, fuck a labor code and an eight hour day.
    PS Yesterday I read on artofwar.ru the work http://artofwar.ru/comment/b/bikbaew_r_n/text_0190-2. Soon I’ll go to the partisans myself !!!
    1. EropMyxoMop
      EropMyxoMop 7 December 2012 11: 40
      +3
      Soon I’ll go to the partisans myself !!!
      http://topwar.ru/uploads/images/2012/789/snnq305.png
      1. esaul
        esaul 7 December 2012 17: 47
        -2
        Quote: EropMyxoMop
        Soon I’ll go to the partisans myself !!!

        Moss only from the ears and shake off - good luck, YegorushkoO, our diamonds are kasatik ...! crying
        Or is the yahurt bruliant ...? Ugh! Grandmother forgot, I suppose ?!
  8. Bigriver
    Bigriver 7 December 2012 08: 14
    -2
    The article is written in full accordance with the pop genre - to amuse, amuse, entertain.
    "Dry residue" - absent. But the goal was the process!
    1. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 09: 41
      0
      Quote: BigRiver
      But, the goal was the process

      Volodya, once again, salute. As Zhvanetsky said on behalf of a life-star: "I don't love children! But - the process itself!" laughing A plus.
      1. Bigriver
        Bigriver 7 December 2012 14: 31
        0
        esaul
        hi
        Boom to consider, met;))
        1. esaul
          esaul 7 December 2012 17: 51
          0
          hi
          Quote: BigRiver
          Boom to consider, met;))
          drinks
    2. tambourine 2012
      tambourine 2012 7 December 2012 10: 00
      +3
      Bigriverif everyone were sure that each person involved would get what they deserved, then there would be no conversations or articles
      1. Gorchakov
        Gorchakov 7 December 2012 11: 48
        0
        Quote: Tambourine 2012
        if everyone were sure that each person involved would get what they deserved, then there would be no talk or articles

        We can confidently say that the defendants in this case, as well as we all die, it is true at different times and in different situations ... This is just as true as the Earth rotates .... It is everyone’s right to express their opinion, but it’s not will bring the denouement in the criminal case closer and will not give any guarantee ... However, criminal cases have been opened and the perpetrators will not evade responsibility ... but not because you so want, but because the court decided so ....
        1. military
          military 7 December 2012 12: 26
          +3
          Quote: Gorchakov
          criminal cases have been opened and the perpetrators will not evade responsibility ... but not because you want it that way, but because the court so decided ....

          but nothing that very often they evade responsibility precisely through to this court ...? recourse
          1. Ribwort
            Ribwort 7 December 2012 12: 37
            +5
            Quote: military
            but nothing that very often they evade responsibility precisely because of this court ...?

            Apparently, this is the calculation ... Why, I wonder, not all the persons involved in this case were taken into custody? It is clear, after all, that this time will be used by them to "cover their tracks", destroy evidence, transfer funds abroad, etc. ???
            1. military
              military 7 December 2012 12: 56
              +2
              Quote: Ribwort
              Why, I am wondering, not all the persons involved in this case were taken into custody? It is clear, after all, that this time will be used by them to "cover their tracks", destroy evidence, transfer funds abroad, etc. ???

              You yourself answered drinks
      2. Bigriver
        Bigriver 7 December 2012 14: 37
        +1
        tambourine 2012
        ... if everyone were sure that every person involved would receive

        The tasks of the authorities are completely different. Cleanse yourself and lead the country in time.
        Confidence of the Company in anything is a relative value.
        I assure you, if there was a command to "satisfy" the needs of society, they would be satisfied with information :))
        But, we see a different alignment.
        And wait ...
        1. military
          military 7 December 2012 14: 59
          +1
          Quote: BigRiver
          The tasks of the authorities are completely different. To clean oneself and lead the country in time. The confidence of the Company in anything is a relative value.

          hi ... perhaps the level of the Society's confidence directly depends on how openly, truthfully and intelligibly the authorities are ready to inform the "followers" about exactly where they intend to lead them ... and at the same time would not replace the term "cleanse" with "whitewash" ... request
          1. Bigriver
            Bigriver 7 December 2012 16: 21
            0
            military

            ... level of confidence of the Company directly depends and on how openly, truthfully and intelligibly the authorities are ready to inform the "followers" about exactly where they intend to lead them ...

            Unfortunately no.
            I answer you, as a person directly related to the question :))
            1. military
              military 7 December 2012 17: 13
              0
              Quote: BigRiver
              Unfortunately no.

              Has everything gone so far already? ... or the reason is precisely in "truthfulness, clarity and ... readiness" recourse
              a strange feeling of deja vu ... it was the same when in 1991 (even before the "putsch") he filed an application for withdrawal from the CPSU ... due to the fact that the party leadership had lost contact with both the Program and the Charter .. ... recourse
              1. Bigriver
                Bigriver 7 December 2012 17: 52
                +1
                military
                .... has everything gone so far already? ... or the reason is precisely in "truthfulness, clarity and ... readiness

                Exactly the opposite.
                The problem is not the content.
                Problem cause in the absence of content... There is no ideology of "content", appeal, message to society.
                1. military
                  military 7 December 2012 22: 00
                  0
                  Quote: BigRiver
                  There is no ideology of "content", appeal, message to society.

                  understood your idea ... agree ... drinks it only remains to add that such a long "abstinence" of the authorities in this matter is a priori fraught with the risk of subsequent counterproductive perception of any "message", regardless of its specific content ... it is strange that the authorities do not understand this ... or still understands but their own "point" no return "already passed ... request
          2. esaul
            esaul 7 December 2012 18: 15
            0
            Quote: military
            would not replace the term "clean" with "whitewash" along the way ...

            Beautiful words! And I am ready to support all those who will achieve this as reasonably and smartly as these words of THIS comment sound! good
    3. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 7 December 2012 11: 32
      0
      Bigriver,
      I agree ... + ....
  9. predator.3
    predator.3 7 December 2012 08: 19
    +15
    The military generally say about the decisions of Serdyukovsky’s Ministry of Defense: “Wonderful girls are dancing”. Such a number of skirts in the military, and even in key posts, before Serdyukov was not in the entire history of the country.

    Serdyukov appointed Elena Kalnuyu as head of his office, Irina Kovalchuk appointed press secretary, Olga Vasilyeva, head of the financial supply department, Olga Vasilyeva, head of the financial planning department, Anna Kondratyeva, who is in charge of the state order, Daria Morozova, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who is responsible for the state order, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who is responsible for the state order, and Yekaterina Priezheva, who will be responsible for the state order, will go to the party, Ekaterina Priezezheva, who will be responsible for the state order, Darya Morozova; Yashin, for legal service - Marina Balakirev, etc. Some protégés at the time of appointment turned only 26 years, many have passed through the FTS.


    Former deputy. Tatyana Shevtsova, Head of the Federal Tax Service, who was familiar with Serdyukov as a joint service back in St. Petersburg tax service, was appointed advisor to the minister of defense in May 2010, and in August, deputy minister.

    Under the leadership of Serdyukov, the accounting specialist in agriculture Nadezhda Sinikova also worked on the Neva. In 2004, with the appointment of her patron as head of the Federal Tax Service, Sinikova headed the department for Moscow, and in 2010, Rosoboronpostavka.

    Ludmila Vorobyeva, the former deputy of Serdyukov in the Department of the Federal Tax Service for St. Petersburg, also took a bread position at the end of last year - she headed Rosoboronzakaz with an average annual budget of 2 trillion rubles.

    Relatives

    Serdyukov’s proximity to Putin gave rise to a rumor that his son was married to one of the president’s daughters. He really has a son from his first marriage - Sergey, the same age as Putin's youngest daughter, Katerina. In addition to his son, Serdyukov has two daughters - the foster Nastya (a student) and her native Natasha (a schoolgirl).

    The current wife of Serdyukov, Yulia Pokhlebenina, led the aquafitness club, and is now engaged in real estate. It was after meeting with his future wife Serdyukov moved from business to the tax office in St. Petersburg.


    The tax department was then led by father Pokhlebenina, future deputy prime minister Viktor Zubkov, who, obviously, contributed to his son-in-law’s career.

    Serdyukov’s sister, Galina Puzikova, founder of several firms, in particular Cleanline LLC, which actively earned orders from the Federal Tax Service first, and then the Ministry of Defense. Galina's husband, Valery Puzikov, became the general director of the Federal State Unitary Enterprise “St. Petersburg Engineering and Technical Center of the Ministry of Defense of Russia”, who received billions of orders from Serdyukov at inflated prices.
    In a word, maybe Anatoly Serdyukov didn’t really try for the Ministry of Defense, but he managed to do a lot for his personal guard.

    Dossier

    Anatoly Serdyukov was born in 1962 in the Krasnodar Territory. Early orphaned. In Leningrad, he received a degree as an economist and for several years engaged in the sale of furniture. In 2000, he transferred to the civil service and in 4, from the deputy head of the ordinary tax inspectorate, he rose to the head of the entire Federal Tax Service. In 2007, he was appointed Minister of Defense of Russia.


    http://army-news.ru/2012/06/kak-anatolij-serdyukov-prodvigal-svoix/

    This is soaring! for seven years and the Minister of Defense! Well, just like Lieutenant Kizhe!
    1. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 09: 39
      -11
      Not good, Ilham, porn addicted! Mom scolds and uncles out of control RY they will come and instigate the spread ... am
  10. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 7 December 2012 08: 30
    +17
    Putin and Medvedev were primarily to blame. They knew who they had put as the Minister of Defense. Yes, and about all his cuts and sales, they were also up to date. However, they were silent for as long as they needed it.
    1. xaxaes
      xaxaes 10 December 2012 13: 08
      0
      It seems that both of them have not even understood what has been done and what kind of shadow lay on them. For this "fight against corruption" people really want to ask, but where were you dearest? and where did you look? or do you have special services? or really from the media learned that trillions of pussies? without fear and reproach! like noble highway robbers, everybody's on the drum! what laws?!? all the fuck .....! WHO IS GIVING ME?
  11. Karish
    Karish 7 December 2012 08: 51
    +17
    I can even imagine how this whole market developed.
    Zubkov’s daughter, running to her dad with tearful eyes and a red nose with tears, began to scream
    Dad - your brother-in-law, whom you found (with the help of your FRIEND) such a bread place threw me (or rather threw it), I caught him during an act of love with one of my (gifted young assistants) in the bunker of the Moscow region. I could understand it and even forgive, daddy, but rummaging through his page in Odnoklassniki, I realized that they PREPARE RUSSIA, and as you know, I cannot forgive this.
    Therefore, dear dad, grab the info in the teeth and run to a friend and ally. We finally revealed a nest of corrupt officials.
    Everything was done quickly and accurately.
    Now, some of the young leaders of the female Moscow Defense Ministry will fight back at night from masculine lesbians somewhere in the far north, for 5-10 years.
    The people are happy, but in reality - the people are power to the bulb.
    ALL THIS IS JUST A FAMILY DISASSEMBLY,
    And the real change in policy here does not smell. Who will chop the branch on which you sit?
    1. Zlyden.Zlo
      Zlyden.Zlo 7 December 2012 09: 07
      +2
      Cool. Laughed heartily laughing
    2. aksakal
      aksakal 7 December 2012 13: 24
      -2
      Quote: Karish
      but rummaging through his page in Odnoklassniki, I realized that they were PAYING RUSSIA, and as you know, I can’t forgive this.

      - here they lied a little. Rather, dad got angry and gave the command to dig in order to punish. A vote of confidence on anyone is at that level. You did not work, I worked somewhere close. It’s not at all what they appointed you to and someone immediately follows you and looks at what you sign there and what decisions you make. No one is watching you, but at meetings they believe your arguments. And sincerely. Until the one who liked the place you occupy appears. Then it gets a little more interesting. So, dad ordered to dig and even probably didn’t expect that they would dig up so quickly. And now the question is - I wanted to slightly tame the presumptuous brother-in-law, so that he knew his place, but it smells like they will kill your father of your adored grandchildren. The dilemma, however. In human terms, one can even understand - a disgusting son-in-law, but how can grandchildren look in the eyes? The moral of this fable is this: either don’t drag relatives upstairs, or if you drag, honestly immediately warn — give a damn — don’t be offended (paraphrased about Lee Kuan Yew, former Singaporean leader) and be ready to look into the eyes of grandchildren. Li Kuan Yu we do not have. The Kazakhstani leader would like to be similar, Taldychit in every speech, but according to his brother-in-law and his daughters, he can see him walking to Li Quan Yu. Sadness. that in Russia, no.
      By the way, when Lee Kuan Yu began to act, they printed about him so that what is being printed about Putin is like that, flowers.
      He had been in prison for forty years. He had only one party all the way in parliament, but he didn't even care. If the deposits in Kazakhstan are leased to foreign corporations, Li Kuan Yew first gave them the entire economy. Not to mention any restrictions on fundamental human freedoms. For example, such as a rather exotic quotas of nationalities of residents who move into both new houses and secondary housing. Where else has this been seen ?! Just a complete tyrant and a dictator, from the point of view of some liberal. I am not talking about how this is possible in the conditions of multinational Kazakhstan or the same Russia. BUT WHAT IS THE RESULT! Ultimately. And the country is far from being liberal.
      And so on the post, everything else is true
  12. patriot2
    patriot2 7 December 2012 08: 53
    +7
    The article of many has hooked and it is good. It’s not good to cover and praise those who depend on the country's security for their connivance with corrupt officials. The USSR was mighty, that the property of the Moscow Region is still (after 20 years) pulled apart. But only when it ends, what will the thieves do - rub each other !?
  13. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 7 December 2012 08: 54
    +10
    The main question here is not who put Taburetkin. Everyone knows the answer for so long and well (although they prefer kag-be not to voice it) - Taburetkina set GDP, to say Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, then the prime minister, and now the president ...
    Here the main question is, but will Taburetkin’s GDP put against the wall (of course, figuratively speaking)? .. And it seems to me that hardly(! ..). And why (? ..), think for yourself and decide for yourself, my dear colleagues on the site ...
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 December 2012 11: 48
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      Taburetkina set the GDP, in other words, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, then the prime minister, and now the president ...

      Correct. Then he was president too (2007). And so +
    2. military
      military 7 December 2012 13: 00
      +3
      Quote: Chicot 1
      will Taburetkin’s GDP put against the wall

      and he, the shkodnik, will not even put him in a corner ... wink
  14. s1н7т
    s1н7т 7 December 2012 09: 17
    +1
    Shopipets! Is the author really the same one who came up with: "well, stupid! ..." ?! laughing
    Now take on us? And rightly so! For about a people who stupidly stepping on the same rake for 20 years, we can only say - well, dumb! if you believe Churov laughing
    Another thing is how quickly this buffoon caught the "trend" - you see, praising the authorities for Serdyukov is becoming fashionable and in demand laughing
  15. valokordin
    valokordin 7 December 2012 09: 30
    +6
    I’m probably writing the last time after the warning, I don’t remember what I wrote. In my comments I did not swear obscene language, did not insult anyone's national and religious feelings, did not arouse racial and class hatred, although it was possible to mention class contradictions and antagonism, but this is philosophy. With a shudder, I read an open article by Mikhail Zadoronov, got scared and wondered how a blogger had missed it without giving a warning. Perhaps he could describe the situation in the style of Mikhail Zoshchenko. I was very glad that the courageous Yesaul responded to this article and in his comments defended the good name of the leaders. Probably others who disagree with Esaulam will be warned, I’m finishing. Hello
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 10: 03
      +1
      Quote: valokordin
      I’m probably writing the last time after the warning, I don’t remember what I wrote.

      If you do not agree with the warning, you can write to the administration. In the event that they didn’t put it objectively, they will remove it from you. I didn’t put it for you, so contact Vadim Smirnov.
    2. Gorchakov
      Gorchakov 7 December 2012 12: 11
      +1
      valokordin,
      Vladimir, I know that you are a pro and that your thinking is adequate and professional ... .. The fact is that such moderators consider themselves to be the owners of the forum and your opinion does not always coincide with the opinion of a person endowed with virtual power in the virtual world over virtual visitors ... But the virtual world is not the real world and it is still unknown who will be right in this real world ... Wait and see ..
    3. esaul
      esaul 7 December 2012 18: 21
      -4
      Quote: valokordin
      I was very glad that the courageous Yesaul responded to this article and in his comments defended the good name of the leaders

      Apparently, it was said with some irony, but thanks, colleague. And your yesterday’s not quite correct attack, I’m ready to consider it an annoying misunderstanding. drinks
      Quote: valokordin
      Probably others who disagree with the Esaulam will be warned, I am finishing.

      And this is already in vain and you know it perfectly well. There is no need to try on the rags of the persecuted ... It will not suit you - you are a person capable of conducting a completely tactful dialogue. Checked ("No mines!") laughing
  16. Garrin
    Garrin 7 December 2012 10: 05
    +4
    Real glamorous will pull the term on bunks with rhinestones and walk in a robe from Armani and Louis Viton. Who would advise, by the way, Louis Viton to stop scribbling bags for the Japanese and switch to robes for Russian business ice. I would have earned more.

    Very doubtful. Maybe they will give a term, but conditionally. And with a delay of 50 years, until the children reach retirement. So Armani and Viton fly by.
  17. gregor6549
    gregor6549 7 December 2012 10: 22
    +3
    There is a clear analogy with Taras Bulba and his son Andriy. How is it there? "The way I gave birth to you, son, the more I will kill you." So it is with Taburetkin. Who put him ... in the chair of the Minister of Defense, he will put him ... in another chair. And it's not a fact that another chair will be worse than the previous one. Yet again. D ... I don't sink. Physics, in kind
  18. nsws3
    nsws3 7 December 2012 10: 30
    +1
    Cool with this b-lady Chubkina it turned out even cooler than that of a general in the 80's: made a career on females, married the daughter of the head of the academy Frunze, finished, divorced, married the daughter of the head of the academy of general education, got a general in 36 years !!! and if during the coup the beginning of the 90’s had gone for those, then I would have been at the top now, and so I campaigned against Beni Yeltsin, I had to shoot myself.
    1. EropMyxoMop
      EropMyxoMop 7 December 2012 11: 48
      0
      I had to shoot. [b]
      So even so was an officer.
      1. s1н7т
        s1н7т 8 December 2012 11: 43
        0
        Quote: EropMyxoMop
        So even so was an officer

        Shopipets! Since when is an officer considered the mug in uniform, which makes a career on women and the heads of comrades ?!
  19. dmb
    dmb 7 December 2012 10: 45
    +7
    Well, thank God, the appearance on the site of "Glavkazak" is becoming systematic, otherwise it has become boring lately. Virtually no one remembers Nemtsov, Navalny and Sobchak, Bolotnaya is branded somehow boringly, without pathos. Slogans about building a happy society as soon as possible under the leadership of United Russia and its leaders have faded. There is no need for the eye to rest. And here is a fireworks of thoughts, from which it turns out that Zadornov (who did not raise doubts before, because he criticized only America) turns out to be a bastard, and someone is trying to please that the author of the commentary is a humanist and practically the Mother of God in relation to opponents, and that everything , who criticize the leader, are Gudkov's explicit or secret relatives, who receive 10 out of 30 American pieces of silver from him. As for Zadornov, not being very enthusiastic about his work, I want to note that he is a literate person. At least he knows who Kozma Prutkov is. I would also refrain from talking about the Glavkazak's tolerance on the basis of at least the following quote: Vaughn, Razvozzhaev, how broadly, boldly and firmly he stepped from a cat dog with teenage acne to an assistant deputat! Don't fuck off the mountain, sorry ...! "It is felt that natural education, the lack of which the author apparently from his understanding of this issue, pointed out to Romanov. (It is curious what the author can say about the age of career growth and the skin of the new adviser to the new minister Kitaeva). In general, dear colleagues, with the publication of articles that do not contain approving exclamations about the policy pursued by the party and the government, we will face new geographical discoveries like the Caspian Military District, stunning revelations (TVs and bicycles stolen by the communists during the Olympics) and bright assessments of our politicians and statesmen.
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 7 December 2012 11: 52
      +1
      Quote: dmb
      In general, dear colleagues, when publishing articles that do not contain endorsements about the policies pursued by the party and the government, we are waiting for new geographical discoveries like the Caspian military district, stunning revelations (televisions and bicycles stolen by the Communists during the Olympics) and vivid assessments of our politicians and statesmen . Watch out for ads.

      good With humor. +
  20. tekinoral
    tekinoral 7 December 2012 10: 59
    0
    How did it all begin after the delay in Turkey, maybe there was something about the plane that was not known from above?
  21. Vanek
    Vanek 7 December 2012 11: 05
    +6
    Who put Taburetkina

    - Maybe a monument?
    - The monument was.
    - Whose monument?
    - Well, do I know? Some guy.
    - With beard?
    - No!
    - With whiskers?
    - I do not remember.
    - Sedentary?
    - What?
    - Sits?
    - Who?
    - This man is yours!
    - Into the village! Wow! Who will plant him? He is a monument!


    "Gentlemen of Fortune"
  22. Middle-brother
    Middle-brother 7 December 2012 11: 46
    +5
    "All this is modernization according to Medvedev. Medvedevization."
    РћРіР °, Р ° Р'Р'Рџ РєР ° Рє Р ± С ‹, РЅРµ РїСЂРё дел Р ° С .... РќРµ Р · РЅР ° Р », Р ° может РЅРµ РґРѕР »РѕР¶РёР» Рё, РїСЂРѕРєР »СЏС‚С‹ Рµ.

    I read the comments, and "my mood has improved"))). Had a lot of fun.
  23. Nechai
    Nechai 7 December 2012 12: 41
    +3
    Quote: Magadan
    Pete, I pounded you, but something minus got out. I'm sorry. Nonsense!!!

    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    the system knows to whom and what to put
  24. deman73
    deman73 7 December 2012 12: 57
    +3
    I don’t remember the moments that our bosses apologized to their people and didn’t put anyone in it; they would find some switchman as always
  25. Oleg1986
    Oleg1986 7 December 2012 13: 06
    +1
    I’m reading, I think, it’s somehow crookedly written, as if the announcer from the TV is nauseous. Neither to you logic, nor to you analysis. Some kind of nonsense. It turns out that you had to see the signature first - it would save 5 minutes of free time from the lunch break.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 7 December 2012 13: 45
      +2
      Quote: Oleg1986
      I’m reading, I think, it’s somehow crookedly written, as if the announcer from the TV is nauseous. Neither to you logic, nor to you analysis. Some kind of nonsense.

      Write better and post the article, you will be able to read it with pleasure.
  26. 8 company
    8 company 7 December 2012 13: 28
    +3
    Oh, Zadornov fussed, saddled the current topic. I pulled the material from the Internet and opened my eyes to everyone. laughing

    He himself did not serve in the army. and there - a great specialist on army problems, even talks about "you can" and "allow" wassat
  27. Alekseev
    Alekseev 7 December 2012 13: 41
    +1
    The article is mocking in shape, the satire is, so to speak, but, essentially true!
  28. ironman
    ironman 7 December 2012 14: 17
    0
    Quote: Gorchakov
    The president, instead of opening this abscess, has sufficient authority to hide all this ... However, this did not happen ...

    I’m thinking about exactly this and he has been doing it in recent years (he was silent). And for what reason this inter-clan war has spilled out, and so it’s impossible to remain silent, you need to ask the Kremlin clans and the president. You’ll get an answer.
  29. Uncle
    Uncle 7 December 2012 14: 59
    0
    The purpose of the article is to anger and quarrel readers, why does Zadornov touch the topic of the church? What does Taburetkin have to do with it? He cringes from the fact that someone is baptized, as if on command. There is nothing strange in this, they are baptized with a certain exclamation, so everything is the way. And besides, the conversion "holy father" is among Catholics, he does not know the simplest things, but to judge there too ... Thank God that they are baptized, and not staring or jumping in front of an idol with a tambourine, or doing something else indecent.
  30. JonnyT
    JonnyT 7 December 2012 15: 01
    +1
    Who framed Roger rabbit ????

    Simply everything, Greed ruined the fraer !!!! Or "Take it by yourself so as not to fall when walking!"
  31. tan0472
    tan0472 7 December 2012 15: 03
    +5
    Who put Taburetkin? Yes, the same one who took off.
    Has confidence in Putin fallen (because of Serdyukov)? I think it has fallen.
    Does trust in Putin continue to decline after his protégé, Aifonchik (today), once again called Taburetkin an "effective manager"? I think it continues to fall.
    But there is also a "great reformer" - andnanoEast Chubais, who also does not add pluses to Putin.
    The question is, do GDP perceive the opinion of normal people? (not wetland)
    1. military
      military 7 December 2012 15: 57
      +1
      Quote: tan0472
      But do GDP care about the opinion of normal people? (not wetland)

      curious accent ... what Don't you think that he is absolutely not worried about the opinion of either one or the other? ... at least, as a person who has been in such an "ano (R) mal" environment for a long time ... recourse
      1. tan0472
        tan0472 7 December 2012 17: 04
        +1
        Quote: military
        Don't you think that he is absolutely not worried about the opinion of either one or the other? ... at least, as a person who has been in such an "ano (R) mal" environment for a long time ...

        I do not want to think about such a scenario. If so, then the matter is seam.
        It seems to me that Putin's problem is his inability to choose his associates. And this, in our time, is the most important dignity of the leader. You can't manage everything personally, which means that cadres decide everything. If you do not know how to choose, create a system of the most severe control. To catch thieves at the initial stage, and not after years of "illegal activity". hi
        1. military
          military 7 December 2012 17: 39
          +1
          Quote: tan0472
          It seems to me that Putin’s problem is the inability to choose colleagues.

          for 12 years not to see people ... the same people worked "on trust" ... it's strange ... although, and possibly ... theoretically ...
          Quote: tan0472
          Do not know how to choose - create a system of severe control.

          and here what stopped him? ... lack of adequate awareness of his "inability"? ... unwillingness? ... hidden "potential" of such a system? ... request drinks
        2. vezunchik
          vezunchik 7 December 2012 21: 41
          +1
          here - this was what Comrade Lenin was talking about!
  32. Horla
    Horla 7 December 2012 15: 05
    +8
    According to the number of reviews, the article is definitely a "plus." For them, there is nothing worse than the loss of huge stolen capital, how they started yelling when the US began to prepare this list, which is interesting - so this list can expand indefinitely. As a former military man, I am wary of the United States, and all the more, we should work on expanding this list?
  33. Hairy Siberian
    Hairy Siberian 7 December 2012 20: 28
    +1
    The first time Zadorny didn’t do it funny. Probably because without "stupid Americans".
  34. homosum20
    homosum20 7 December 2012 20: 29
    0
    Let Zadornov better tell us about America. He is still not allowed to go there. And so after agree - and stop letting here.
  35. vezunchik
    vezunchik 7 December 2012 21: 40
    +4
    While the Minister of Defense was cheating on the Motherland, ruining the army, no one touched him. And when his wife - the daughter of a friend of the Chief - cheated, then they remembered that before that he had cheated on his homeland too!
    Just think - the bandits have been in power for 20 years, and what else can you expect from them? But there is no need to hope for drastic changes - except to throw to steal and ..... they cannot do anything else ....
  36. NEMO
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  41. pesec
    pesec 7 December 2012 22: 39
    0
    I propose to look at the situation differently. There are popular politicians and military leaders. It is long and difficult to explain the origins of this popularity. Charisma, special image, etc. Remember General Kornilov. According to Brusilov's estimate, the losses in his unit were the greatest in 8, it seems, the army. He failed the breakthrough to the Hungarian Plain, did not hold the pass, etc., but enjoyed wild popularity (partially deserved). Perhaps the opinion about Serdyukov will eventually “settle down”, having lost its sharpness. I offer information from a local news agency. Owner of Mokhnatkina Pakhta denies the accusations of investigators
    An open letter to the media.
    Currently, the media are actively discussing issues related to the sale of property of Oboronservis OJSC and its member organizations, including information about the illegal sale of an oil transshipment complex in the Murmansk Region. We are talking about a number of facilities on which the Komandit Service LLC is currently operating and which were built at its own expense.
    At the same time, Kommandit Service LLC notes that incorrect information is advertised in the media, figures that are inappropriate for reality are given - all information is presented in a distorted form.
    LLC “Commandit Service” has documentation confirming all of the above.
  42. afire
    afire 7 December 2012 23: 59
    -1
    yes, it’s insulting, it’s obvious that I drastically messed up the GDP with a stool and its crap, but it’s not beautiful to mock him so arrogantly. He is the best and so far uncontested president of Russia. Everything is true in the article, but for mocking the Main minus. He should not make excuses to us, because without him everything would have looked much worse and faith alone is for now
  43. Normal
    Normal 8 December 2012 00: 12
    +1
    Phew ... I finally read it. It was interesting and fun. Thanks everyone!
    Probably the first time that I did not want to participate in the discussion of the actions of the authorities. Oddly enough, but most commentators wrote the same thing that I would have written, only much better than me. It is nice to realize that I am not alone in my doubts and opinions.
    1. ramzes1776
      ramzes1776 9 December 2012 22: 14
      +1
      Quote: Normal
      Phew ... I finally read it. It was interesting and fun. Thanks everyone!

      I wanted to say the same thing. Specifically, they printed it out. Such an analysis, even on NTV, cannot be heard not in Itogi, not in Broom, not in Wasserman's. Time is night, tomorrow for service. In my head there are a lot of thoughts like who is right or wrong, which I need to digest. recourse Thanks to all!!!
  44. Magadan
    Magadan 8 December 2012 05: 45
    +2
    Yes guys, perhaps this is the most interesting discussion in the last six months wink
    Thanks to Romanov, the Baltic, Aksakal and Esaul for a powerful brainstorm, I really enjoyed it wink even though the points of view are generally polar.
    Let’s do this - in a year everything will be visible. Babskiy’s battalion should be seated unconditionally and at least ten years each. Serdyukov also needs to be planted. Even if they do not prove anything, it means high drug is planted or something. And it turns out that ordinary citizens can be planted for the sake of daws, but bureaucrats, for the sake of our joy, cannot you? Enough to plant potatoes for a bag and simply dismiss for billions. Probably the authorities need some kind of willpower for this (I really don’t understand why) Well, or there is a desire. And let them not hope that in a year everyone will forget about everything. Do not forget. Too everything is rotting there, at the top.
    I repeat, I don’t vote for Putin, but I can smell it from the inside, he is not a traitor.
    1. general-oberst
      general-oberst 11 December 2012 18: 08
      0
      The command "back" was received from Vovka. Everything, forget about the stool. There will be something else about his women, but stop about him.
  45. Bosk
    Bosk 8 December 2012 19: 24
    -4
    The fact that the Stool ... agrees, but you’re all jackals!, Because rushing even at such a Tab as you use JAKAL!
  46. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 8 December 2012 23: 05
    +2
    So we can’t express our opinion? (WELL VERY WANTED AND WHY ONLY MAT)
  47. 120352
    120352 13 December 2012 15: 11
    0
    The excess with Serdyukov, combined with an attempt to make the entire people idiots in the event of a final assessment of his "work", is a sentence to the tandem, their dishonesty, incompetence, and disrespect for the citizens of Russia. And why is Serdyukov still free? No evidence? Don't tell my slippers. He stole the whole harem, but he, poor thing, did not know! Yes, aunts and pearls for him, for his bai, the sheikh. You should leave quietly through the court for 25 years, repenting and turning out your pockets.
    How despise the people who supposedly chose you to lie to them like that! Despise both of you !!! Damn you !!!
  48. atamura
    atamura 13 December 2012 20: 17
    0
    )) hello from the stool)))