Former adviser to the US Department of Defense about the strike on the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv: “I am sure that we lost our military there”

As a result of the recent hypersonic strike rocket The Russian Armed Forces' "Kinzhal" missile fired at a Patriot anti-aircraft missile system in Kyiv could have killed American servicemen. This was the outcome of the Russian attack suggested by former adviser to the US Secretary of Defense, retired US Army Colonel Douglas MacGregor, who gave an interview to the YouTube channel Judging Freedom.

The analyst does not rule out that the complex hit by the Russian missile could have been serviced by American servicemen. Although this was not officially announced, of course, there is a very high probability that this was the case. To service such complex systems Defense requires extensive experience that Ukrainian servicemen could not obtain in short-term courses. It is likely that the SAM system crews could have included American servicemen - either retired or even active.

If a Patriot battery is destroyed in the vicinity of Kyiv, which actually happened, then the nearby personnel will also be eliminated. I'm sure we lost our military there

Douglas McGregor said.

According to the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, as a result of the Russian missile strike, five launchers and a Patriot air defense radar were destroyed. The Ukrainian command for a long time tried to hide the very fact of the strike on the air defense system, but then even the Pentagon recognized the strike, but stated that the launcher was allegedly only damaged and had already allegedly been repaired, with American help, of course.

As for the likelihood of the death of the American military as a result of a strike on the Patriot, the citizens of the United States must understand: the more their country integrates into the armed conflict in Ukraine, the greater will be the human losses of the American side.

Comments

[Deonnix]

I hope there were many of them, for they came with a sword to us ...

[dmi.pris1]

Well, okay. The earth is glassy. Without clinking glasses ..

[Real Pilot]

Or maybe there were operators of "smaller caliber"? Polish, for example ... Or some other hegemon is not particularly sorry.

[Ile ham]

What difference does it make - Americans, Poles or other "friendly" non-brothers to us? The main thing is that professional, trained personnel is multiplied by "0". And this is pleasing...

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Ile Ham

What difference does it make - Americans, Poles or other "friendly" non-brothers to us?..

And you are evil which is correct of course. But in general do not take Poles prisoner - there's nowhere to put them beds are only occupied

[bayard]

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Do not take Poles prisoner - there is nowhere to put them

Meanwhile, on the border with Poland, the Polish border guards removed the Ukrainian border guards from the checkpoints and announced to the local public that the Lviv region is Poland. Sumerians in a panic - "Poland captured us?" . But everything is much simpler - Zelensky has already signed everything.

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: bayard

Quote: Pete Mitchell

Do not take Poles prisoner - there is nowhere to put them

..everything is much simpler - Zelensky has already signed everything

And you know, it’s not surprising: when they turned him over - from Kolomoisky to the Anglo-Saxons, apparently they took it tightly Faberge, but he didn't understand it. Unfortunately, the whole country didn't understand that they were being "drained".
And about the Poles - so it is ...

[bayard]

Quote: RealPilot

Or maybe there were operators of "smaller caliber"? Polish, for example ... Or some other hegemon is not particularly sorry.

The United States supplied the Armed Forces of Ukraine with one Patriot battery pack, and Germany supplied the Armed Forces with another of the same set. Therefore, the military specialists of these countries are at the complexes. And naturally they die with them.
The United States apparently promptly put in / on the guidance radar from the presence and a certain number of launchers, stating that "the complex has already been repaired."
Well, repetition is the mother of learning.

[Myths]

So non-brothers will also fly on f16. And they will shoot them down, it’s not for them to bomb civilians in Yugoslavia.

[Enceladus]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

Glassy Earth

You can chip in even for the best variety once such a booze has gone!

[nepunamemuk]

how they came with the ball so the ball in the face and get
football however

[digger]

Whoever comes to us with a ball will die from a brick and die .... and we ourselves will play the ball.

[Zemaan]

Quote: Deonnix

I hope there were many of them, for they came with a sword to us ...

Not much, but the installations were soaked And this is a FACT!
"Daggers" are already working on the assembly line, they have already been put into series .. So everything is still ahead!

[Argon]

Here now the problem begins with pinds. Either the Americans were there and therefore they fought off the daggers, or there were laughs and therefore the patriot was destroyed.

[Thrifty]

And not a drop is not a pity! There they are dear!

[terms]

And it’s clearly not three kopecks to train so many specialists) Sorry, a cent)

[cash]

from 70 to 90 people, if it exploded as expected

[Silver99]

The fact that the US lost military personnel is putting it mildly, the installation is serviced by up to a hundred people, I don’t think that the radar operators were Bandar-logs, in addition to complex control, this SAM system is also tied to long-range detection aircraft and intelligence from space, the loss of personnel is indirectly confirmed by the suspension of the use of "patriots", the US is very sensitive to the death of their advisers, they don’t feel sorry for the local natives in the trenches, but they treat their own with reverence. Today there was information that the US gave the go-ahead to supply F-16s to Ukraine, it’s high time to punch them in the face, because with the supply of aircraft, service specialists from the US will also arrive, having received now their agility will decrease.

[Orange Bigg]

It is quite possible to destroy the Patriot air defense system with subsonic weapons, loading the system with the same false targets.

“There was a massive attack by cruise missiles. At the same time, it must be understood that the Patriot complex can simultaneously accompany no more than six targets. That is, ten cruise missiles are flying, six of them he can shoot down, and four will reach their targets. And so it happened. Patriot worked on six targets, most likely on false ones. At the same time, it is clear that cruise missiles flew over and hit those objects that were supposed to hit, ”the analyst noted.

He added that the high intensity of the anti-aircraft battle led to the fact that the radiation stations of the complex worked for an unacceptably long time.

https://www.politnavigator.net/ehkspert-rasskazal-kak-rossijjskie-rakety-obkhodyat-zapadnuyu-pvo.html

It was not difficult to visit a working air defense radar station. So the Dagger arrived.

[Diger]

Quote from Orange Bigg

The Patriot can track up to six targets at a time.

Well, it's not worth it...
Even the relatively ancient AN / MPQ-53 with the MSQ-104 control station is able to track more than 100 potential targets and direct missiles (hit) up to 9 of them.

it is able to track more than 100 potential targets and to engage up to 9 of them.

and 65 is GaN-Based AESA (GaN APAA)
The station provides almost simultaneous detection, identification and tracking of 90 to 125 air objects. They do not know how many SAMs it can guide, but clearly not less than 9 (I can assume up to 15)
The AN / MPQ-65 radar is mounted on a two-axle semi-trailer weighing 15 tons and is transported by an M818 tractor.
Wavelength range 4-6 GHz

Target hit range with probability of 0,9
with EPR 0,1m2 is 60-70 km,
for a missile with an RCS of 0,5 m2 in the range of 80-100 km,
for a fighter with EPR 1,5m2: 110-130 km
for a bomber with an EPR of 10m2 - 160-180 km.
Detection time 8-10 s.

The 92H6E multifunctional radar is a high-potential 3-coordinate monopulse station with a phased antenna array of a feed-through type with a diverse set of signals. MRLS has the possibility of simultaneous route tracking up to 100 targets and accurate tracking up to 6 targets under all combat conditions.

Quote from Orange Bigg

https://www.politnavigator.net

serious source. Yes. And the author is a match for him:
director of the Air Defense Forces Museum YURI ALBERTOVICH KNUTOV
Graduated from the Leningrad Higher Military-Political Air Defense School named after Yu. V. Andropov

which prepared political officers air defense troops. The term of study is 4 years. Upon graduation, the military rank of lieutenant was awarded, the qualification of an officer with a higher civilian education and secondary specialized military education, were awarded a diploma of the all-Union sample and a badge. Since 1983, qualifications in the specialty "teacher of the history of the USSR and social science" began to be assigned in civilian specialization. Graduates of 1991 and 1992 were awarded a civil qualification "social educator-psychologist".

[Comet]

Quote from Digger

and 65 is GaN-Based AESA (GaN AFAR)

AN / MPQ-65 - PFAR pass-through type (with optical power), it needs to highlight the target for TU-2.

The 92H6E multifunctional radar is a high-potential 3-coordinate monopulse station with a phased antenna array of a feed-through type with a diverse set of signals.

Multifunctional radar 92N6E - 4-x coordinate.

Quote from Digger

... MRLS has the ability to simultaneously track up to 100 targets and accurately track up to 6 targets in all combat conditions.

The multifunctional radar 92N6E MRLS has the ability to simultaneously track up to 100 targets and accurately track up to 10 targets in all conditions of combat work.

[Diger]

Quote: Comet

AN / MPQ-65 - PFAR pass-through type (optically powered), it illuminates the target

read yesterday the rave reviews of the Poles on visiting the plant
AN / MPQ-65 - PFAR yes.
Raytheon's GaN-based AN/MPQ-65A AESA Radar. Only the canvas and a few blocks change there.

Since it was presented in 2016, and since 2018 they have been using it, it is necessary to see in the form that Ukraine was unloaded

It is easy to distinguish from.
Pass-through and optical power supply - I do not understand.
And you need to “shine” and afar: the guidance method has not changed

up to 10 targets in all conditions of combat work.

For what I bought...
It is given for a full sosiava zrs, it is easy to calculate. 10 fails

[Comet]

Quote from Digger

Since they were presented in 2016, and since 2018 they have been using

The article also says that for 2018 - TRL-6.

Quote from Digger

And you need to “shine” and afar: the guidance method has not changed

For new missiles, it has changed.

Quote from Digger

For what I bought...
It is given for a full sosiava zrs, it is easy to calculate. 10 fails

Diger, stop using artificial intelligence technologies to form messages. 92N6E accompanies 10 targets in the precise tracking mode, and the maximum range of the hit target is 380 km. This is public information from the developer. What kind of data is in the table you provided - try to figure it out yourself.

[Zemaan]

Quote from Silver99

The fact that the United States lost the military is putting it mildly, the installation is served by up to a hundred people, I don’t think the banderlogs were radar operators,

Yes, a blow to the image of the United States and their vaunted Patriots "was very loud to the whole world .. They are now running and attracting everyone to force Russia to negotiate .. EVERYONE is ready to sign, if only to save at least part of Ukraine .. No Lord, we know we will meet you according to the Minsk agreements

[Iris]

Are you familiar with the materials of the interrogations of an American lieutenant general and a Canadian marshal captured in Mariupol? Then even the pictures were shown, and once - the video. True, nothing is visible on the video, but what comments there were!

[terms]

This, in principle, is good - if the F-16s appear in the air, then many of them will still not be delivered on the scale necessary for serious success. But to study these cars with locators and practice shooting them down will definitely give a lot of information and experience.

[antivirus]

The loss of several billion in the search for ways to counter hypersound is justified.
Russia is a little sad, the Chinese - yes, they have hypers and 1,5 billion + fleet + memory for 3 thousand years and the last 80 years (the last 1123 Chinese warning).
Against China, it is necessary to find a countermeasure to hypersound + all their challenges.
320 missiles will be spent. Justified for the USA.

[Orange Bigg]

What is justified if neither 32 nor 320 missiles help against a hypersonic missile, even one?

[El Barto]

This is not about hypersound. Above any air defense system of the same category as the Patriot there is a kind of "funnel" of the dead zone, which it does not cover. These dead zones should cover other air defense systems. Therefore, a single complex is actually defenseless from a strike from above. What is a hypersonic missile, what is a conventional Iskander type.
And here they have a dilemma - they cannot mass the air defense and create a unified air defense system of different levels for two reasons:
1. The concentration of air defense systems will easily lead to its mass destruction (we can, because we have a unified air defense system), so they dispersed their air defense and actually acted from ambushes.
2. Ukraine's own air defense systems were largely destroyed (most of them) last year. NATO itself does not have air defense systems in the quantity necessary to give them to the Hohols and "close the skies" over Ukraine (in terms of air defense, they generally rely more on aviation, and not on air defense systems). Basically, their air defense systems are either outright old stuff or advertised new products that are seriously inferior even to old Soviet systems, and secondly, there are few of them. Not enough even for themselves. Of course, they will give something, but this will only be enough for a focal air defense, and not a unified system.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Correctly written! Even in the USA they don't have such a layered air defense system as we have around Moscow. They cover only certain important objects in small numbers. One Chinese ball was worth what, the whole world was sleeping for several days)))
And then, the cost of air defense is always very high, who will give Ukrainians air defense worth a trillion bucks? The West does not need it at all. Their goal is to create a new 58th parallel and continue to pull us out with sanctions and sabotage. We still have to go to the end in this war. And you will have to destroy the fifth column, which stirs up its affairs on a common grief ...

[El Barto]

Well, there is nothing to be particularly happy about. Yes, everything is bad with missile defense, but even the existing focal object air defense hohlov and the saturation of the troops with low-level air defense systems (military air defense systems, MANPADS) create serious problems for our unfortunately small aviation. All the same, we do not have thousands of aircraft.
As a matter of fact, hohls are begging F-16s from NATO precisely for the organization of air defense, and not as strike aircraft or fighters

[Mikhail Ivanov]

What is justified if neither 32 nor 320 missiles will help in any way against a hypersonic missile, even one? That is, that these 32 missiles exist, that they do not exist, and the result of the air defense operation is the same, zero.

So in the evening they gave the news - because of the blow of the Russian Dagger to the Patriot, he would have to be moved! MOVE! And it is better to bury or send to Antarctica.
Think about it, they are selling it for billions of dollars, and it was immediately destroyed with one blow. By the way, not five launchers were destroyed there, but two. And there were only three of them, the third one was behind the house, so it remained intact. And now they decided to hide it
I wonder who will buy it from them now in this situation?
And one more important point, they really did not want to pass it on, but they really wanted to try to shoot down the Dagger, and they gave it only for this. Now they sit and scratch not only their turnips, but also their asses - because Russian pendal, it hurts!

[Normann]

the Chinese - yes, they have hyperz

Who has ever used it?

[Poplar]

Tests in the conditions of real combat operations are fraught not only with large financial costs, but also with the loss of specialists, for the training of which a lot of not only money, but also time was spent. So I think you are wrong, which is justified. It is more justified to direct these billions to create your own hypersound, and then try to solve the problem at the training ground. But, it’s true, mattress covers are not very successful yet, despite the presence of billions and even trillions.

[kill the fascist]

It is quite possible that the command of the crews was carried out, if not by pendos dances, then by some kind of NATO.

[Ryaruav]

yes, pepper is clear, at least a couple of Yankees were there, of course I would like a battalion

[Ezekiel 25-17]

Let it be so: both the Patriot and his service personnel are legitimate targets.

[16112014nk]

Quote: Deonnix

for they came to us with a sword...

Whoever came to us with a sword will die from the "Dagger"!

[bars042]

ex-adviser

Why, like "ex-...", so they say the Truth?

[Pavel57]

If the Americans served, then there was a panic - they fired 32 missiles.

[Master_of_mechanics]

I hope you lose more, preferably without any shots from the side. UkrainiansI still hope that Americans They'll finally find mom, they've lost her!

[sdivt]

Quote from Orange Bigg

At the same time, it must be understood that the Patriot complex can simultaneously accompany no more than six targets

Actually no
Quote from "Military Review", dated March 14 this year:

The main performance characteristics (TTX) of the AN / MPQ-53 radar are as follows:
[note: part of the Patriot PAC-3 air defense system]

– operating wavelength 5,5–6,7 cm (4–6 GHz);
– view sector in search mode: in azimuth from +45° to –45°;
- detection range: with EPR targets: 0,1 m² (small UAVs or missile warhead) - 70 km; 0,5 m² (medium UAVs - missile) - 100 km; 1,5 m² (large UAV or fighter) - 130 km; 10 m² (bomber) - 180 km;
- the number of simultaneously tracked targets - up to 125;
- maximum speed of tracked targets - 2 m / s;
- target detection time - 8-10 seconds.

https://topwar.ru/212672-3pk-patriot-v-puti-na-ukrainu-naskolko-jeffektivny-jeti-protivovozdushnye-sistemy.html

[Igor Malyshev]

Further - simultaneous tracking of up to 125 targets
maximum target speed 2200 m / s
simultaneous guidance to 6 rockets

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Further - simultaneous tracking of up to 125 targets
maximum target speed 2200 m / s

They accompanied him, and with the whole package, and then met, and together with the staff

[Comet]

Quote from sdivt

- the number of simultaneously tracked targets - up to 125;

This is track tracking of targets.

[Architect]

Is our air defense capable of intercepting Kinzhal analogues?
Or is it now a headache for all countries?

[Bingo]

S-500s are talking with the interception of maneuvering hypersonic ones ... But which ones exactly are a state secret ...

[Brturin]

there is such a statement .. but what and how ...
But the general designer of the Almaz-Antey concern, Pavel Sozinov, refuted the opinion that faster means better. “Any hypersonic missile, both existing and potentially created in the foreseeable future, is within our power,” he told Sputnik News. develop in this area". The designer shared the details in an interview with the Russian news agency RIA. "It must be understood that the increase in the speed of missiles itself does not have significant unpleasant consequences," he said. "Any hypersonic target can fly to the target at its maximum speed only at high altitude, and as it approaches the object, it descends, enters the atmosphere and loses speed.There are other nuances that I will not delve into.—In short, any hypersonic missile, both existing and potentially created in the foreseeable future— we can do it" https://inosmi.ru/20210826/250384250.html
The designers of anti-aircraft systems took into account the development of hypersonic weapons, so the fight against it is already incorporated into the complexes, and there are also opportunities for their further modernization. https://topwar.ru/186304-v-rossii-nachata-razrabotka-malogabaritnyh-zenitnyh-raket-dlja-unichtozhenija-bespilotnikov.html

[rocket757]

Former adviser to the US Department of Defense about the strike on the Patriot air defense system in Kyiv: “I am sure that we lost our military there”

. Who cares at all???
The guys are paid grandmas, they don’t ask questions to the authorities ...
If the coffins had gone back en masse, maybe they would have moved, but no, minke whales don’t particularly climb, and they don’t give a damn about gay Europeans at all.

[sdivt]

Quote: Igor Malyshev

simultaneous guidance to 6 rockets

Can I see a confirmation link?
and what is it all about - simultaneous guidance?

[Stoler]

We allowed (WITH AN EXCELLENT FACE) to place Petriota, Hoki and the like!!!!! WE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOD FORBID "Dome" arrives!!! WHAT WILL OUR NUTCRACKER SAY?

[Orange Bigg]

Have you read an article on this site where the Israelis said in plain text that the Iron Dome will not help against Russian missiles, since these are not Palestinian MLRS missiles made in a garage to shoot down? Google what is the Iron Dome and what purposes it is intended to destroy. Do you think that the Israelis just buy the same Patriot and create their own Hetz-2, Hetz-3 missile defense system?

The Ukrainian regime was told another unpleasant news for it - even the Israeli-made Iron Dome air and missile defense system will not help protect the country's airspace. Jon's military expert Jeremy Bob writes about this in The Jerusalem Post. According to the analyst, the Russian army is not Palestinian militants with their makeshift missiles. The RF Armed Forces have sophisticated missiles capable of bypassing missile defense systems. Therefore, the transfer of the Iron Dome missile defense system to Ukraine would be a useless decision due to the capabilities of Russian missiles that previously hit the Patriot air defense system.

https://topwar.ru/217275-izrailskaja-pressa-pishet-o-bespoleznosti-peredachi-ukraine-sistemy-pro-zheleznyj-kupol-iz-za-vozmozhnostej-rossijskih-raket-porazivshih-ranee-zrk-patriot.html

[Bingo]

And what, someone doubts that for the maintenance of the air defense system of the "Cossack" Gavrilyuk with Sashko Bily and the wounded major of the troops named after Semen Semenchenko himself is somehow not enough?

[Human_manoid]

I said that we would play "knives": with daggers in Kyiv. And this is just the beginning.
Now let the Poles wait for their radiation clouds from Ukraine)))

[runway-1]

As a result of a recent strike by a hypersonic missile "Dagger" of the RF Armed Forces on the Patriot anti-aircraft missile system in Kyiv, servicemen of the American army could die. Such a result of the Russian attack was suggested by the former adviser to the US Secretary of Defense, retired US Army Colonel Douglas McGregor, who gave an interview to the Judging Freedom YouTube channel.

Well, everything is as usual from this "expert", but senseless, but joyful comments again rained down.

[former soldier]

but then even the Pentagon recognized the impact, but stated that the launcher was allegedly only damaged and had already allegedly been repaired, with American help, of course.

Did they fix it that fast? The guides are probably bent. American specialists apparently arched back with a sledgehammer

[sdivt]

Quote: Architect

is our air defense capable of intercepting analogues of the Dagger?

Yes, on paper, these Patriots are intercepting Daggers with might and main) But real collisions show a little different)
So do we. It seems to have read in several sources that the five hundredth complexes are quite capable of intercepting, but without real tests, you know ...

[RGB]

It seems to me that such tests were carried out, but we will never know the results.

[Poplar]

Quote from RVA

It seems to me that such tests were carried out, but we will never know the results.

In any case, we have such an opportunity, but the Merikos must first bungle their hypersound.

[Nord11]

Well, Kyiv proudly declared that it had repaired a broken rear-view mirror and a dented wing, at the same time significantly modernizing the complex, sharpening it for the destruction of "Daggers". Shirye Vintik and Shpuntik work wonders!

[Nord11]

Well, of course, everything was quickly repaired and painted. After all, if they find out that the Russians have stashed the complex for a billion American soldos, then how will it be sold to capricious Arabs and tight-fisted Europeans?

[Vasyan1971]

If a Patriot battery is destroyed in the vicinity of Kyiv, which actually happened...

Come on! The entire progressive public knows that nothing has been destroyed, but only a little scratched on the paint, and besides, it has already been painted over.

[Bingo]

Quote: Vasyan1971

but just scratched the paint a little,

Not paint, but a high-tech stealth coating! Do you think why the photos before and after the repair are not shown? Before - it’s still possible, but after the repair everything is stealth ... They can’t find it in the hangar ...

[blackcat]

Maxim died, well, the flag was striped to his grave

[Mikhail Ivanov]

Continuing the author's thought, I would like to note that the US military has successfully integrated into the Kiev asphalt. And there is a lot of asphalt in Kyiv, enough for all the American military. The main thing is that we have enough Daggers ...

[nachkar67]

McGregor to read is not to respect yourself. He's already said so much.

[ilpine]

The project "Europe without Patriots" was launched within the framework of the SVO. The essence of the program is the disposal in Ukraine of the Patriot air defense systems supplied from European countries to form or restore the Ukrainian air defense system. The first stage began on May 17, 2023, with the liquidation of the first Patriot air defense system in Kyiv and the announcement of the delivery of a new air defense system to replace it.

[Evgeny_Sviridenko]

The Colonel was right. More needs to be voiced about the death of mattresses and other foreign rabble in different "holes" according to their concept, about which most of them do not even know where they are on the map. In general, the information war, in my opinion, is being conducted by Russia rather incompetently, but considering that almost all the world's major Internet sites are, to put it mildly, hostile, the conditions are clearly not equal.

[Sergey Kuznetsov_7]

, well, the earth is glassy to them !!! We still have to feel sorry for the Amer warriors, who may have died! They came for money to kill our guys!! Let them remember Alexander Nevsky!! Coming to us with a sword.............

[JD1979]

the operators are likely to be aliens, but was the control center hit? from MORF only heard about 5 trailers.

[Sergei Viktorovich Korolev]

I hope the devil was pleased with the number of exceptional souls!!

[Andobor]

Naturally, not Ukrainians were sitting there.

[AC130 Gunship]

Someone here wrote about Raytheon. Neither on their website, nor on the net in general, I found a word about any condolences to the Americans, allegedly sitting in that same Patriot. Facts - in the studio