Russian military correspondent: Armed Forces of Ukraine organized a breakthrough in the Soledar area, the operation to encircle Wagner PMC began

Assault groups of PMC "Wagner" continue their offensive in Bakhmut and have already managed to enter the last powerful fortified area of ​​the Armed Forces of Ukraine called "Nest", a little more than 600 meters are left to the city border. This was stated by the curator of the "Orchestra" Yevgeny Prigozhin.

While the assault detachments of the Wagner PMC are successfully advancing in Bakhmut itself, the situation on the flanks is developing according to the worst-case scenario. The settled good weather allowed the Armed Forces of Ukraine to go on the offensive in some areas and hit the units of the Ministry of Defense covering the flanks of the "Orchestra". Unfortunately, part of the defense crumbled, and some units are retreating from their positions.

The situation on the flanks is developing according to the worst of the predicted scenarios. Those territories that were taken with the blood and lives of our comrades for many months, every day, passing through tens or hundreds of meters, today, almost without a fight, they are thrown by those who should hold our flanks

- declared Prigogine.

The difficult situation in the Bakhmut direction is also confirmed by the military commander Yevgeny Poddubny. According to him, after several strikes in different places, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an attack in the Soledar area, leaving the unit with the support of armored vehicles and managed to organize a breakthrough. Ours retreated again, the enemy is entrenched in recaptured positions. According to the military correspondent, the counteroffensive that Prigozhin warned about had already begun. Now the enemy is trying to surround the "Orchestra" in the city, knocking out the Russian forces from the oporniks. It is possible that in the near future an attack will also begin in the south, in the Orekhov region, in order to tie up our troops in battles.

Here is another boy who sees a wolf. Only Smug Little Red Riding Hood still thinks it's Grandma

- Prigozhin commented on the situation.

Comments

[Maz]

Units of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Russian Armed Forces left the territory north-west of Ivanovskoye with an area of ​​up to 3,5 km.

Units of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade and 374th Motorized Rifle Brigade also left their positions at the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine north-west of Kleshcheevka, which were quickly occupied by Wagner PMC fighters.

In addition, the enemy made an attempt to break through to the east of Bogdanovka. It would be necessary to send Gerasim to one flank and his first deputy to the other in battle formations, immediately there will be shells, and equipment, and reserves, and aviation, and planning bombs ...

From "no sugar"
The enemy began an operation to encircle a group of troops in Bakhmut, inflicting flank attacks
The idea of ​​the enemy can be roughly understood - areas where not the most trained and well-armed units are stationed are selected, and the most trained and highly motivated Nazis with tanks and other armored vehicles rush at them.
The enemy conducts 2 operations, intending to take the city in pincers.
Forces involved: 3rd Assault Brigade (former Nazi Azov Regiment)
92 brigade, which includes the "Foreign Legion" of mercenaries, as well as other formations.
Today it became known about the breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:
- Our units left the territory to the south-west of Ivanovsky with an area of ​​​​up to 3,5 km.
- positions were also left at the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine to the north-west of Kleshcheevka, which were quickly occupied by fighters of the Wagner PMC.
The situation on the Bakhmut front is extremely difficult.
Probably in the near future the enemy will strike in other regions.

[ZhEK-Vodogrey]

Until we see 2 brigades on bradleys and strikers, this is not a counteroffensive. These are local fights. In the Zaporozhye region, our T-54s appeared, with an equipped original double "barbecue" above the tower and an armored personnel carrier-50. The main direction of the counteroffensive of the Khinzirs is to the south, along the Orekhov-Ugledar line, it is important to strengthen it.
"At 70, the trunk stands like a young one!" With.

[ugos]

Tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go along the bypass of Kharkov towards the border with Russia - Komsomolskaya Pravda military commander Kots❗️

[Aag]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

Until we see 2 brigades on bradleys and strikers, this is not a counteroffensive. These are local fights. In the Zaporozhye region, our T-54s appeared, with an equipped original double "barbecue" above the tower and an armored personnel carrier-50. The main direction of the counteroffensive of the Khinzirs is to the south, along the Orekhov-Ugledar line, it is important to strengthen it.
"At 70, the trunk stands like a young one!" With.

Judging by the number of minuses, not everyone appreciated your bitter irony ... (((.

[ism_ek]

Quote: ZhEK-Vodogrey

Until we see 2 brigades on bradleys and strikers, this is not a counteroffensive.

So far, we see that the mobs from the LPR are again draping. (

[Earring]

What, are they stupid? No one will die for the oligarchs

[tsvetahaki]

The poor crews of these T54 / 55 ... One hope for the barbecue, apparently ...

[sifgame]

And why are you covering it so one-sidedly, where are the photos of the T-90M, T-80BVM, T-72B3, or have they run out? Even if this T-54 belongs to the armed forces of the Russian Federation, although it cannot be determined from the photo, it is better with a tank than without a tank. The Armed Forces of Ukraine use the Maxim machine gun, Contact is established on the Leopard and they do not complain.

[cast iron]

Amazing! This means our men will be on the T-55 to repel Bradley's blows with thermal imagers ... It's getting better and better ...

[Arbeiternegast]

Khkh'ly half a year themselves tryndeli about a counterattack, and now those are on ... Are there really no mobile reserves? Where is the Air Force, tornadoes, hurricanes?... Again, no one is responsible for this? Put Khuzhenetovich with his company generals, and form companies from the entire leadership of the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff and close the breakthrough ... Maybe then it would have gone differently? ... No words, the feeling that Wagner was set up ...

[Alekc]

Mobile reserves sit on the Internet in the rear

[Beagle]

Not quite so ... Entire divisions of relatives, and even the leaders themselves, sometimes sit, and sometimes travel around Saudi Arabia, London, Paris and other front-line areas ... These are the main formations of a large ambush regiment ... So to speak, our foreign legion ...))

[alexoff]

Mo and GS don't fight, they play deals with the enemy. And WagnerA is a gesture of goodwill, like Stremousov

[Barmaglot_07]

Quote: Arbeiternegast

Where is the Air Force, tornadoes, hurricanes?

What for? In the same place there are only skakuas, khokhlopiteks, and these, like them, khinzirs, in. Move one eyebrow and they all scatter.

[skeptic]

Quote: Arbeiternegast

There are no words, the feeling that Wagner was set up ...

Both "General Staffs" have a common goal ...

[Vlvl]

You seem to be a skeptic, but here you are an optimist.

[sifgame]

Khuzhenetych cannot rein in his violent son-in-law, and you want something unimaginable from him.

[Maz]

The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has begun, the Ukrainian army has launched an operation to encircle the Russian forces in the Artemovsk direction, according to the military commander of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Yevgeny Poddubny.

Poddubny, citing sources, reports a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of Berkhovka and Yagodnoe, where the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation retreated from their positions, and local success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was also recorded in the Kleshcheevka area.

In addition, in the Soledar area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to organize a breakthrough with the support of armored groups, each of which had 2-3 tanks. In the coming days, apparently, Kyiv will begin to increase its efforts in the south. In the Orekhov area, in order to tie up the RF Armed Forces with battles, and in the Gulyai Poly area in order to break through the first line of defense, Poddubny reports.
From the Orekhovsky direction, they report the use of chemical munitions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from which, after inhalation, they lose consciousness - military commander KP Kots

[invisible_man]

About chemical weapons - trendy, as always.

[azkolt]

* Tanks of the Armed Forces of Ukraine are moving along the Kharkov bypass towards the border with Russia, Komsomolskaya Pravda military commander Alexander Kots reports. He believes that “the Ukrainian command is now aiming to tear apart our orders at the Svatovsky line and simultaneously push through the flanks in Artemovsk. To crumble the entire defensive configuration of the LPR.”

[Maz]

The situation on the flanks of Bakhmut

The units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine occupied the tactical heights left by the units of the RF Armed Forces in the area of ​​Berkhovka and reached the Berkhovskoye reservoir.

In my opinion, the next blow must be expected from the northwest (direction of the Slavyansk-Bakhmut highway). The Armed Forces of Ukraine can begin to systematically level the front line.

The threat of counteroffensive actions from the south also remains.

[smart ass]

The most offensive thing is that Prigozhin spoke about this offensive a month ago, but as they say, we don’t care

[Bulrumeb]

Everyone who has at least a drop of reason has been talking about this for three months now, but MO, as you can see, all God's dew

[Blackmokona]

Quote: Bulrumeb

Everyone who has at least a drop of reason has been talking about this for three months now, but MO, as you can see, all God's dew

It was necessary to dump Prigozhin, as planned. Now I would withdraw my troops from the city. And so they promised him that they would give the shells, but it seems they didn’t tell to whom.

[Argon]

Here's what they sent him.

But seriously, what is this, some kind of game? If so, it's not funny.

[Grigory_Nikolaev]

that's the end of the fairy tale .. either this is a brilliant plan to lure the enemy into a trap and reserves, tanks, aircraft will pour out of all the cracks and in a month we will clear the beaches of Odessa, or this is an enchanting profanity after which the whole world will understand that the king is naked. .

[Aag]

Quote: Grigory_Nikolaev

that's the end of the fairy tale .. either this is a brilliant plan to lure the enemy into a trap and reserves, tanks, aircraft will pour out of all the cracks and in a month we will clear the beaches of Odessa, or this is an enchanting profanity after which the whole world will understand that the king is naked. .

Have you suspected this before? I agree, - until the last, I myself hoped for HPP (reasonable people understand that not all information is available to them. This is about the townsfolk ... And if the head of the largest Country in the World could not organize information
(or didn’t want to hear /?! / Naryshkin, - how they mocked him then ... And it seems that he knew, and, judging by the reaction, he was stunned by the decision made ... and they blamed him for this ... /).)))).

[Grigory_Nikolaev]

if someone blew into the ears of Mr. Pezhe, then very soon it will be extremely clear to everyone who thinks with his head ..

[newtc7]

Quote: AAG

Quote: Grigory_Nikolaev

that's the end of the fairy tale .. either this is a brilliant plan to lure the enemy into a trap and reserves, tanks, aircraft will pour out of all the cracks and in a month we will clear the beaches of Odessa, or this is an enchanting profanity after which the whole world will understand that the king is naked. .

Have you suspected this before? I agree, - until the last, I myself hoped for HPP (reasonable people understand that not all information is available to them. This is about the townsfolk ... And if the head of the largest Country in the World could not organize information
(or didn’t want to hear /?! / Naryshkin, - how they mocked him then ... And it seems that he knew, and, judging by the reaction, he was stunned by the decision made ... and they blamed him for this ... /).)))).

Naryshkin knew, but he told Medvedchuk something else, but how can you not believe your godfather! It is surprising that there are people who still believe in the president and can connect two plus two that all our problems are his work and his direct responsibility.

[Sergei Fonov]

The question is not that there are people who believe the president, but that there is a war for the future of Russia, and the commander is not changed during the battle.

[Vovavvs]

The Supreme, the one that Iosif Vissarionych, does not agree with you and changed lovers of "difficult decisions" - only the whistle stood (Pavlov, Budyonny, Voroshilov, Gordov, etc.), and not the stars of Heroes hung for this (as generals L. yes M.)

[Sergei Fonov]

I wrote about the Supreme, his absence in the public space does not mean that he does not deal with the topic of the NWO, and the generals, either there are no better ones, or the goals of the NWO are different, so far inaccessible to our understanding.

[vadimtt]

Yes, Naryshkin's reaction then was very strange, but every day it becomes clearer

[IgorZ]

You can read more about Naryshkin, I would love to read it.

[Petrov-Alexander_1Sergeevich]

You can read more about Naryshkin, I would love to read it.

It's there to watch, not to read.

[I_Alpharius]

Greetings!
I apologize for the stupid question, but what kind of reaction of Naryshkin are you talking about and why they mocked him?
Somehow this moment fell out of my info.

[storm]

When live, Putin asked all members of the Security Council in turn whether it was necessary to start the NWO

[newtc7]

Quote: Grigory_Nikolaev

that's the end of the fairy tale .. either this is a brilliant plan to lure the enemy into a trap and reserves, tanks, aircraft will pour out of all the cracks and in a month we will clear the beaches of Odessa, or this is an enchanting profanity after which the whole world will understand that the king is naked. .

Yeah, yes, an ingenious plan))) of course we already know what kind of geniuses are leading everything there. I don’t even honestly think that this one is just bungling, I think that since the stakes are high, this is a betrayal.

[UAZ 452]

Bungling is worse than betrayal - treason is committed because of profit, which means it is calculated using logic, and stupidity and carelessness are not read in any way, which means that it is simply impossible not to prevent, not to minimize the consequences.

[Sid2014]

And who has not yet understood, re-read G. H. Andersen. Truly about us!!!

[UAZ 452]

Are you talking about the naked king? No, that is not at all about us: we do not have a monarchy, we have a presidential republic. We don't have any kings.

[Rome_2]

There are no kings, but there is a king under whom laws are worse than under a monarchy

[skeptic]

Quote: Argon

But seriously, what is this, some kind of game? If so, it's not funny.

"Wagner" - potential gravediggers of the thieves' godfather of Russia. And therefore, by hook or by crook - it must be destroyed. Here the interests of both parties coincide. Alas.

[Nikolay310]

So now there is only hope for him ... otherwise the Zelensky will soon be giving interviews in Popasnaya ...

Eh, it looks like the crosses didn’t help one clown on Red Square ... maybe it’s time to leave General Markovskaya to patch up the gaps, like Stalin Zhukov near Leningrad?

[Catfish]

but MO as you can see all God's dew

The trouble is, if the cobbler starts the cakes,
And the boots stitch the pastry,
And things won’t work out.
Yes, and a hundredfold
What who loves to take someone else’s craft,
He forever others stubborn and foolish:
He better ruin everything ...
I. A. Krylov (1769-1844).

[azkolt]

Quote: Bulrumeb

Everyone who has at least a drop of reason has been talking about this for three months now, but MO, as you can see, all God's dew

I wonder where these guards, who minus left and right here, said that it would be enough to spread panic, everything will be fine. One even. I haven’t seen him for a long time. I promised to take Marinka before the New Year. I really hope that they are all at the front! // Here at this place was infa, which I'm afraid to broadcast, possibly secret.//

[opposite28]

I wonder where these guards, who minus left and right here, said that it would be enough to spread panic, everything will be fine. One even. I haven’t seen him for a long time. I promised to take Marinka before the New Year. I really hope that they are all at the front! // Here at this place was infa, which I'm afraid to broadcast, possibly secret.//

Your comment never smells of a gray post-Chernobyl spirit.

where are those guards?

They climbed into the counteroffensive, a long-standing habit from that (or not that krajina - Ukraine).

// Here at this place was infa, which I'm afraid to broadcast, possibly secret.//

The word "infa" is especially pleasing, highly intellectual. It is common for you to finish writing - to finish speaking, what has turned into a national idea in the Ukrainian countryside. Ukrainians can't come up with anything of their own, even a bicycle...

[Stinging Nettle]

Or the Ministry of Defense has some other goals, which it achieves according to plan without sarcasm.

[UAZ 452]

It seems that everyone has their own goals, but the farther, the more doubts that at least someone has a victory in the NWO of Russia in these goals. Although, I think, the leadership of Ukraine would also be more satisfied not with their victory, but with the eternal SVO - this is manna from heaven for them!

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

So last year, the same thing, for several months the Armed Forces of Ukraine announced an offensive, and from our side, apart from hihaneks and khakhaneks, there was nothing from TV

[UAZ 452]

And now it has become fashionable - to make fun of. Not a day goes by without a story in our media that Zakharova ridiculed something and someone there, other talking heads (except for Konashenkov - he broadcasts any game with an absolutely serious look, he has such an image). After each such ridicule, I would transfer this official to another job in the circus if they like clowning more than fulfilling the duties of their current position. Maybe they will find themselves there, if it is already clear to everyone that they cannot cope with the current work.

[Fan-fan]

I agree with you - these talking heads from the TV in the circus arena would look great.

[Argon]

Here are those on ... Whom to believe now? Prigogine suspected this?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Argon

Prigogine suspected this?

Yes, Prigozhin said that the flanks were unreliable.

[azkolt]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: Argon

Prigogine suspected this?

Yes, Prigozhin said that the flanks were unreliable.

Prigozhin said this a week ago. and Strelkov said last fall that a possible auxiliary strike could be against the Wagnerites, as they do not have a good rear and with poor communication with the Moscow Region.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: azkolt

Strelkov said last fall

And they pushed him out of sight. Along the way, talking about the case is not popular.

[UAZ 452]

Can you give a couple of examples where "his watch" was showing the wrong time?

[private person]

Prigozhin said this a week ago. and Strelkov said last fall

They said a lot of sensible things, but no one listened to them. It looks like they want to get rid of the "Wagners" very much, they are not pleasing to our broadly striped generals from the Moscow Region.

[UAZ 452]

So maybe it was not worth it for him to advance 100 meters in Bakhmut, but to take up the flanks? And if you agreed that this is the area of ​​​​responsibility of the Defense Ministry, then do not demand hysterically shells to grind someone there, but insist that the ammunition load first of all go to its neighbors, who held these flanks? This is already some kind of schizophrenia, when Prigozhin talks about the threat to the flanks, the enemy wedged for kilometers, and then proudly announces another 50 thousand meters recaptured in Bakhmut (if anything, this is 250x200 meters). It seems that the PMC has a contract to capture Bakhmut, and in everything else - at least the grass does not grow. Even if you leave the city the next day after its liberation - the contract is fulfilled, the outfit is closed, sign here and here.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: UAZ 452

So maybe it was not worth it for him to advance 100 meters in Bakhmut, but to take up the flanks?

In general, I still don’t understand, what for these many months of wall-to-wall butting?
At the beginning, I would have concentrated my shock fist, bypassed the city, and closed it in a cauldron. I wouldn’t even storm, unhooked it and went on, if they wanted to eat, they would have climbed out themselves, like on Azovstal.
But instead, this scenario gave way to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
If this is not a trap for the APU, then I will be completely disappointed.

[Alexey G]

At the beginning, I would have concentrated my shock fist, bypassed the city, and closed it in a cauldron.

Can not be so! What do you? For the environment, large forces are needed, their voice of reason prohibits their use. According to the new tactics of the infantry, it is necessary to crawl 10 people head-on to the 5th floor, but be careful, because there are airbags behind the closet!

[Stinging Nettle]

From the point of view of the oligarchs, reducing the number of pasta consumers who do not fit into the market is not bad.

[UAZ 452]

Do you think two namesakes received one for two task to reduce the population of two countries? I am not even ready to decisively dismiss this version, although I was not inclined to conspiracy theories before.

[your1970]

Quote: Stinging_Nettle

From the point of view of the oligarchs, reducing the number of pasta consumers who do not fit into the market is not bad.

It’s just bad for them. The fewer those who didn’t fit in, the less dough you can cut. You just forget that there are relatively few raw materials compared to trade, communications, grocery and others.
Anticipating your objection, "There will be no need to spend on social programs!" - so on it you can tailor almost as much as on oil ...

[Someone_Kakoevich]

I agree with you! Moreover, the young, able-bodied population is shrinking. More, in percentage terms, there are pensioners, orphans, the disabled and others who "pull" money from the budget. And the oligarchs also contribute to the budget, but they do not distribute it, or not only them.

[Saburov_Alexander53]

If this is not a trap for the APU, then I will be completely disappointed.
Shaw so? We once handed over Moscow to the Poles and the French ... Moscow should have been cleaned long ago, and then we will push off from the Urals, remove fresh divisions from Kamchatka and Chukotka and go to the Crimea. What a weak mentality you have. You can't be that morally accommodating. Russia does not have the territory of Israel, you can lure the enemy to Sakhalin, and there he will get lost and freeze.

[UAZ 452]

The Chinese Kuomintang evacuated to Taiwan at one time, but why is Sakhalin worse?

[Sid2014]

Only we are not ARMY, but the fighters motivated two times and miscalculated !!!

[private person]

I would go around the city and close it in a cauldron.

If there is no strength to contain the flanks, it’s not worth talking about the boiler.

[Monster_Fat]

So maybe it was not worth it for him to advance 100 meters in Bakhmut, but to take up the flanks?

In general, I still don’t understand, what for these many months of wall-to-wall butting?

The "musicians" had a contract to take a certain territory by a certain number. This is on one side. On the other hand, with your actions, they delayed the Armed Forces of Ukraine and made it possible to prepare reserves for the Defense Ministry.

[Lyuba1965_01]

Well, the Ministry of Defense prepared reserves, so what?
Judging by these reserves, Russia does not have a combat-ready army.
There is only an army for show - for parades and for tank biathlon.

[Alexander Golotov]

What smart strategists are sitting on the VO ... So you can go around all the cities and say hello to the psheks on the Polish-Ukrainian border in a week ....

And now turn on the brain. Inside the same Bakhmut, a 30-strong group of enemy troops was sitting in full uniform, including artillery, mortars, copters. How are you going to keep the enemy sitting in the fortifications while sitting in an open field? It's not 43 now. Drones throw mines on their heads and even full-length trenches do not save because the mines lie exactly in the trench a meter from the fighter. Simple cannon artillery has become a precision weapon. Your entire garrison, which will keep the city in the ring, sitting in an open field in another week will be plowed with the ground. Therefore, Wagner climbs into the city so that they themselves have cover over their heads and in order to conduct military operations in a more or less equal situation.

[UAZ 452]

With the consumption of ammunition that Wagner could afford until recently, it was possible to plow the entire town into small rubble in 10 months, along with a 30-strong group. Moreover, as you write, now even barreled artillery has become a precision weapon. Well, where is the result of the actions of the 50th group over these 10 months, of which at least until the end of March it was supplied with ammunition on a priority basis, even to the detriment of the rest of the units?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: UAZ 452

it was possible to plow the whole town into fine rubble in 10 months

So he was plowed. But this does not mean that the enemy cannot resist. Even more so, in the ruined city, the fighting is more fierce, since the use of equipment is very limited and there is no clear line of contact. As in Stalingrad, for example, which the German aviation turned into ruins before the offensive, but this did not particularly affect our defense.

[Alexander Golotov]

1. Wagner has been out of ammo for months. What Prigozhin is trumpeting about, I don’t know why you decided that he was supplied to the limit of the regular units of the RF Armed Forces. They were getting below standard and their requests
2. The result of actions on the face, Wagner is the only one who has been moving forward for the last 10 months, having at least some significant conquered territories, including Bakhmut, Soledar and the territories adjacent to it. By the way, it was Wagner who helped free the LPR to the end!
3. You can plow the town, but you can also defend yourself there. You apparently have a poor understanding of the hostilities due to the lack of experience in participating in them. Although if you use the Internet, you can also draw conclusions. View footage of Bakhmut and Marinka now. There are only ruins and yet the enemy clings to them. I generally keep quiet about Maryinka. For several months we have been head-on into the western ruins of the city without moving. So erasing the city from the face does not guarantee the fact that there will be nowhere to sit down and equip positions. You can even make fortifications in them very well

Wagner, like the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation as a whole, is inferior in many positions to the Armed Forces of Ukraine. This is especially true for drones. Intelligence and those that throw grenades on their heads. Therefore, we have a failure with reconnaissance, especially at operational depth. There is some tactical one. That is why the enemy calmly moves reserves in the frontline zone, throwing up reinforcements and ironing our troops. This is what became the failure of the assault on Ugledar. When the enemy calmly moved reserves from Artemovsk along the entire LBS and strengthened the grouping in Vugledar. Precisely for this reason, the enemy ironed our advancing aircraft with artillery, because they have aerial reconnaissance at their best. Their copters hang over our soldiers for days

[Stinging Nettle]

It seems that the PMC has a contract to capture Bakhmut,

Why not.

[Mikhail Krivopalov]

There is an interview on YouTube with Arestovich 5 years ago, where he says that there will be 3 wars between Ukraine and Russia (2022, 2026 and 2032). I do not consider Aristovich a visionary or a man of great intelligence, but perhaps he knows some plans of more influential forces.

[Alexander Golotov]

I disagree, he is a very smart person and our happiness is that he is not in the place of Zelya. For from the point of view of reasoning about the same propaganda, for example, he says much stronger things than the line that is now being implemented in Ukraine. And in military thought, he is far from an ignoramus and has proven this more than once. The fact that sometimes goes too far in peremoga who argues, and who does not do this now? If we compare with our talking heads, then Arestovich is a little innocent boy

[smart ass]

Prigozhin shouted about it a month ago!!!!

[Bulrumeb]

Suspected? But after all, everyone was just screaming about it: the Wagners pulled ahead, stretched their flanks, you don’t need to be a genius of military art here - a blow to the flanks was just asking. It was all a matter of time. And then the Armed Forces of Ukraine even gave a lot of time to correct the situation, however ...

[Aken]

Why are we surprised? This is Shoigu. I miss Taburetkin. At least he's smart. Give it back.
Taburetkin, we screwed up. Save us

[azkolt]

Quote from Aken

Prigozhin said this a week ago. and Strelkov said last fall that a possible auxiliary strike could be against the Wagnerites, as they do not have a good rear and with poor communication with the Moscow Region.
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A complaint

Yes, Sergei Khuzhenetovich fully justified his patronymic!

[UAZ 452]

Taburetkin spread rot to the generals, for which he was set up fiercely, untwisting the anti-PR to the fullest. Shoigu, on the other hand, allowed everyone to make their gesheftiki, and demanded only window dressing and front tinsel, generously distributing titles and awards for this. And our lampers were ready to do this with great pleasure. Praises flowed in his address - the best MO, corrected everything that Serdyukov ruined ... Well, now we eat what we deserve.

[aglet]

"But after all, everyone just screamed about it: the Wagners pulled ahead, stretched their flanks, you don't need to be a genius here"
where did the wagner go? forward? extended the flanks? whose? you looked at the map, at least imagine in what operational

is a Wagner sitting at the rear?

[Bulrumeb]

Dear, it was the Wagnerites who took Berkhovka to the north-west of Bakhmut and Klescheevka to the south. The fact that now they are not in these ledges, but other parts, the situation only aggravates. And the flanks are stretched there, and not in Bakhmut itself.
PS: Yes, and show me where I wrote that the Wagners broke ahead in Bakhmut?

[nik-mazur]

Quote: aglet

did you look at the map?

Looking at cards is not a boy thing. Real couch strategies draw information from blogs. Fresh, but already chewed and seasoned with hysteria, so that you can reflect without regaining consciousness ...

[Bulrumeb]

That's it for you and it would not hurt to look at the map and where exactly the APU is being hit.

[nik-mazur]

Quote: Bulrumeb

it wouldn't hurt to look at the map

That's where I started. And it is completely incomprehensible to me why practically frontal strikes are called flank strikes. It is even less clear that there the Ukrainian troops can be cut off and surrounded by such blows.
Although Ukrainian strategic thought, it is so ... very original and peculiar. What was clearly manifested in the fourteenth year, during the operation to cut off the Donbass from Russia.

[saigon]

Nikolai, understand, a lot of characters came out of which they hadn’t been here for half a year, and now they’re right in and the new people from whom they’re rushing like crazy, and the map is that you don’t have to look at the map, you need to be able to read it.
Yes, and we'll see.
Although it was complete nonsense to form new units and subunits from the called-up ones. I will say one more seditious thought in our time - it is a hundred times better to command a company of conscripts, whom I myself taught, than a company of counters. Boys have higher combat stability, probably life hasn’t let them get ugly yet.

[Aken]

Prigogine did not suspect. He knew that he was condemned.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Argon

Here are those on ... Whom to believe now? Prigogine suspected this?

He foresaw it.

[UAZ 452]

It was not difficult to foresee there - here, on the forum, many wrote about this - Wagner would be allowed to fizzle out, storming the prepared lines, and then surrounded, or hit in a different place altogether. And the louder Prigozhin demanded all the ammunition to himself, the objectively he brought this scenario closer, increasing the enemy's chances of success. And Bakhmutov's "grinding" has long turned from a military operation into a media PR show.

[IgorZ]

And the creation of a lunar landscape, shooting at areas with an insane and senseless waste of shells and barrel resources, is this not a media PR show? And now the Russian Armed Forces have no shells, but the enemy has been "ground down".

[UAZ 452]

But do I really deny that parts of the Moscow Region, both before the NWO and during the operation, sinned and continue to sin in that showiness usually prevailed over efficiency? In our country, it’s not that show-offs are more expensive than money, they are often more expensive than lives. Especially if strangers. And the fact that beautiful reports have long since replaced reality everywhere is our bond, which will eventually destroy us. There was just a hope that the Wagners were different, but it seems that everything is the same.

[aglet]

"He foresaw it."
straight second vanga! Since when did he "foresee" this? since last year, since August itself?

[Rumata]

Only the Aerospace Forces of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation can save the situation. Where are they, your mother????????
This is not even a "counterattack" yet, this is such a distracting blow.

[dmi.pris1]

What, there is no hope for the rest? A strange military operation ..

[Argon]

Waiting for mobilization now? Otherwise, how to get out of the situation? Or is it still a very cunning plan and finally managed to get them out?

[ugos]

Well, yes, the plan is very cunning, how to hand over Wagner, and get rid of Prigozhin with the hands of the Ukrainians.

[Aken]

Too late to rush. Mobilization had to be done in October.

[azkolt]

Quote from Aken

Too late to rush. Mobilization had to be done in October.

And it has already begun, haven't you heard about the training camp?

[azkolt]

Hooray! One minus one still works, so not everything is lost !!! And then I thought they were already near the Upper or Lower, and possibly near both, Lars!))))

[UAZ 452]

Do you offer partisans in trains in Zaporozhye with Donbass, and immediately off the wheels into battle? If the existing T-54 army was already armed, then thirty-fours would have to be removed from the pedestals for partisans. The army is only in the tenth place about the number, and in the first, second, third - about equipment, training, controllability, communications, intelligence, motivation, confidence (justified) in command. And which of the following do we have? And without this, any mobilization is sending a crowd of meat to a useless slaughter.

[Alexey G]

The army is only in the tenth place about the number

The number just helped us out in previous wars, when training and weapons were lame!

[UAZ 452]

And now we have a few extra millions to "can repeat" like 80 years ago? Well, you have already volunteered, but where are the other millions?

[Alexey G]

where are the rest of the millions?

They are in the same place as the Ukrainian millions. On the streets, in clubs, in tasty places and other places...
But fear or unwillingness to attract new forces to victory does not lead us! The Lord loves big battalions!
I don't understand what the cons are! And it is clear to the cat that without numerical superiority with missiles and shells, we will never win the war from the word!!!

[saigon]

And you know, we still have a lot of extra ones, to catch them at night clubs, to bring the Arbat Military District into officer battalions and the comfreys will definitely not be against battle.

[Someone_Kakoevich]

The number of numbers, but you still need to prepare. And then suddenly with China to fight?

[aglet]

"Mobilization should have been done in October."
yes, 21st year

[UAZ 452]

Yes, after six months of drill and regulations, the mobilized began the NWO as a holiday - to take a break from endless work on painting curbs and shifting snowdrifts.

[Doctor]

Nevertheless, the recipe is the same - to bomb all of Ukraine with bombs and rockets ruthlessly. I think if for a couple of months we make daily raids on Kyiv and drop at least 50 tons of bombs for each, then Ukraine will not be alive to the Donbass.

Not. ET won't help. Not that scale. One Su aircraft takes 8 tons.
For comparison, so you understand.
In World War II, the bombing of German cities took:

City Bombs dropped, tons
Berlin 67 608
Hamburg 38
Munich 27 111
Cologne 44 923
Leipzig 11 616
Essen 37 938
Dresden 7 101

TENS OF THOUSAND TONS. Only in certain cities.

In order to carry out the bombing of Ukraine, we need the Air Force and the military economy of a completely different scale. Times commercials in 30 more than now.

[Plate]

Quote: Arzt

One Su aircraft takes 8 tons.

Excuse me, but... Maybe 8 tons? And then 8000 tons is ... well ... you know, some warships with serious missile weapons have a smaller mass.

Quote: Arzt

In World War II, the bombing of German cities took:

City Bombs dropped, tons
Berlin 67 608
Hamburg 38
Munich 27 111
Cologne 44 923
Leipzig 11 616
Essen 37 938
Dresden 7 101

TENS OF THOUSAND TONS. Only in certain cities.

Yes, it's all clear. In Vietnam, by the way, they dropped even more. Well, I wrote - AT LEAST 50 tons per day. For modern aircraft - the load is about nothing. One raid by one squadron.

Quote: Arzt

In order to carry out the bombing of Ukraine, we need the Air Force and the military economy of a completely different scale. Times commercials in 30 more than now.

What for? Bombs are a very cheap and very simple product. Here are the planes and means to overcome air defense, yes. But, I think, if we take air supremacy, then serious expenditures of these funds are coming only once. And the Air Force is pretty good. At least in Europe, no one else has such a number of combat aircraft in service. And why 30 times more than now? That way the economy will be larger than that of the States!

[Evil_minusator]

And what to arm the mobilized. Galoshes are already running out.

[Vladimir80]

No, it's not weird, it's scary. Passionaries must lay down their lives in the steppes of Donbass, and swarthy, industrious new citizens will come in their place...

[Plate]

Quote: Vladimir80

Passionaries must lay down their heads in the steppes of Donbass

Hey, what about the forum participants on VO? They will stay!

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Plate

Quote: Vladimir80

Passionaries must lay down their heads in the steppes of Donbass

Hey, what about the forum participants on VO? They will stay!

In the memory of swarthy hard-working new citizens, but that's another story.

[Someone_Kakoevich]

They won't come. They are not here to work and develop OUR country, but in order to get as much money as possible and send it TO THEM, to their homeland.
I read how they are compared to red insects and gray rodents. Say, they will live somewhere as long as there is food (money) there and they are not touched. They have an "alternate airfield" - their homeland. If the number of those who are willing to hire them for money decreases, then the price of their services will fall. First, their inflow will decrease, then it will disappear, and the outflow will begin. This is a rather long process. But at a certain moment their number will become such that their influence here will become negligible. And then the indigenous population may want to force out the remaining ones already physically or legally. And this process will go much faster ...

[BIGLESHIY]

Quote: Nekto_Kakoevich

They won't come. They are not here to work and develop OUR country, but in order to get as much money as possible and send it TO THEM, to their homeland.
I read how they are compared to red insects and gray rodents. Say, they will live somewhere as long as there is food (money) there and they are not touched. They have an "alternate airfield" - their homeland. If the number of those who are willing to hire them for money decreases, then the price of their services will fall. First, their inflow will decrease, then it will disappear, and the outflow will begin. This is a rather long process. But at a certain moment their number will become such that their influence here will become negligible. And then the indigenous population may want to force out the remaining ones already physically or legally. And this process will go much faster ...

Wake up. They come here with their families. They are already here at our side creating their new country. And we are sure whoever arrives earlier has more chances to become a buyer. The first wave of builders moved into barbecue and teahouse owners, the second into taxi drivers and shaurmen, the third occupies the markets.
Bastrykin is already voicing the problems that came with gasters.

[Sebostyuan]

Yes, they would be happy. But who will give out the goals? There, combat pilots are often led by the same ones ... that they sent fighters without PTS to the front line in the trenches. Fans of marching songs are still at their posts.

[BorzRio]

Just no tantrums. Tomorrow by lunchtime, the generals of the MO will wake up and begin to correct the situation.

[azkolt]

Quote: BorzRio

Just no tantrums. Tomorrow by lunchtime, the generals of the MO will wake up and begin to correct the situation.

It may have already begun, the planes are landing one after another! But a week before that, there were only transport workers, only something suspiciously many!

[Vashek]

And to get drunk, drink brine, take a shower - I forgot!

[Alexey G]

Where are they, your mother????????

So the stock of those planning for the last week seems to have run out a little! Must be saving...

[Konnick]

And again, someone somehow profukal something. When will they call by their names those who purposefully merge, and Mr. Poddubny?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Konnick

And again, someone somehow profukal something. When will they call by their names those who purposefully merge, and Mr. Poddubny?

Nobody will take them down. Unless they move to another chair. They don't get into politics.

[UAZ 452]

One of the manipulators is Prigogine. Continue to free hundreds of meters in Bakhmut, demanding for this the entire stock of shells of the grouping on the eve of the enemy's counteroffensive ... This is either shiz, or some kind of muddy scheme.

[Lyuba1965_01]

No matter how many meters they occupied, but they occupied the same!
But what the valiant Russian amiya was doing at that time is, of course, an interesting question.
Ready?
Shouldn't she be ready at any moment?
Or suddenly a war, and I'm not eating?

[nachkar67]

But someone still tolerates Shoigu

[kventinasd]

Quote from: nachkar67

But someone still tolerates Shoigu

Shoigu is up to his ears smeared with the main. There, the hand washes. Who will ride with the chief on picnics, if not a deer specialist?

[UAZ 452]

So after all, how does the uniform sit on him! A real general! Here, his predecessor walked in a jacket, so the military hated him fiercely for this.

[Stinging Nettle]

Maybe someone is satisfied with the death of the indigenous population of the Russian Federation?

[UAZ 452]

If the task is to reduce the population of the two countries, then a completely sensible way is to push them against each other. And if the Anglo-Saxons pursue this goal, then they would not be able to do anything without high-ranking (VERY high-ranking) agents of influence on both sides. And there are as many options for influence, given that almost all of our elite have wives, children, other relatives either abroad or who knows where (state secret) - as many as you like. They will do everything that they are ordered, and they can even be understood as human beings - their own blood. Well, who doesn’t have relatives - those acquired by overwork, also why not leverage?

[Mavrikiy]

If a deplorable situation develops with Wagner in Artemovsk, then Shoigu and his team will have to leave ... Horses are not changed at the crossing, they are shot if they are not ours. Stalin fired and won the war..

[Vladimir80]

You speak so categorically because you don’t know the goals of something ... Maybe they are the opposite of your ideas ...

[Nikolay310]

Stalin, like Shoigu, in the first place, would not have allowed close ...

[your1970]

Quote: Nikolay310

Stalin, like Shoigu, in the first place, would not have allowed close ...

Come on
"I'll beat the scoundrel Guderian!" - was it not under Stalin?
And yes - under Stalin there was a people's commissar of defense, upon surrendering his post, 360 tanks and more than 500 armored vehicles were missing ...
No no no!!! Not what you thought, did not steal!
I just brought the spacecraft to such a state - that cannibalism of technology was a common occurrence ...

[alexander 66]

The trouble is that the generals are not responsible for their actions. Yesterday, on Rozhin's channel, a video from 404 from a copter, like 2 Wagners, young guys commit suicide wounded so as not to be captured. And someone is squirming. They write that a lot of Nazi equipment goes towards Belgorod, and Nazis use chemical weapons in Zaporozhye

[azkolt]

Quote: alexandr 66

The trouble is that the generals are not responsible for their actions. Yesterday, on Rozhin's channel, a video from 404 from a copter, like 2 Wagners, young guys commit suicide wounded so as not to be captured. And someone is squirming. They write that a lot of Nazi equipment goes towards Belgorod, and Nazis use chemical weapons in Zaporozhye

Kots write that a lot of vehicles are moving along the Kharkov bypass towards our border. The only reassurance is that the planes flew apart!

[Commissar Kitten]

As expected, Zelensky's words were IPSO to lull vigilance.

[Egoza]

Quote: Commissar Kitten

As expected, Zelensky's words were IPSO to lull vigilance.

Is this the "surprise" that Zelya promised Putin? I hope he miscalculated. Rake "Wagner" to spite all deaths.

[UAZ 452]

They will come out of the encirclement, but Bakhmut, who was taken for 10 months, will be left in days, if not hours. And what part of the weapons they can pull out is a question. Towed artillery - hardly.

[Aken]

Nobody believed it. But someone who would have written a week ago that Wagner's encirclement would begin would have flown into a gray zone. Until yesterday, bonnet tossers ruled the site.

[Beagle]

So they always rule here ... By the way, you can look at customers and see who and how changes shoes right in a day .. From laudatory odes to angry condemnations ..

[Commissar77]

Where has Meehan gone? Haven't heard from him for a long time

[Terenin]

Quote: Military Commissar77

Where has Meehan gone? Haven't heard from him for a long time

Missing sweet words?

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Terenin

Missing sweet words?

And really, I got bored. I hope he's all right and didn't have another heart attack.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Military Commissar77

Where has Meehan gone? Haven't heard from him for a long time

He perished on an invisible front with world Zionism, went to the Mossad to surrender.

[aglet]

"He perished on an invisible front with world Zionism, went to the Mossad to surrender."
mihan will outlive you all! for sure, somewhere here, under the sixth nickname, he is acquired, hehe!

[UAZ 452]

Maybe, but if the fact that Gonzalez and the Voice of Reason are the same person was absolutely clear, then now I do not detect it. I haven't seen such cute little bastards lately. There are versions?

[And Us Rat]

Quote: UAZ 452

Are there any versions?

Maybe the conscience tortured?

[UAZ 452]

Meehan found! Now it is Corrosion_Inhibitor (Gromov Athanasius). One in one his style! Moreover, he started an account a year ago - to be seen as a backup.

[your1970]

Quote: UAZ 452

Maybe, but if the fact that Gonzalez and the Voice of Reason are the same person was absolutely clear, then now I do not detect it. I haven't seen such cute little bastards lately. There are versions?

No matter what really happens

Quote: Mordvin 3

I hope he's all right and didn't have another heart attack.

[your1970]

Some kind of fly in flight dropped a minus - in anger ....

[And Us Rat]

Quote: your1970

Some kind of fly in flight dropped a minus - in anger ....

I already get used to it. I even learned to appreciate it, a silent minus means that either there is nothing to cover, or there are not enough brains to formulate an answer.

[Sebostyuan]

I suggest not throwing spears at the NGSH. Yes, maybe as the head of the General Staff, the person is not in his place. Let's remember the beginning of the Second World War. Zhukov - head of the General Staff. He was removed and sent to the commander of the reserve front. It's time to repeat history. Give Gerasimov a chance. Become the best company commander.

[Nikolay310]

The removed Zhukov, firstly, he himself asked him to be relieved of his post, and secondly, he cut off the Yelninsky bridgehead immediately after the removal ... the Soviet Guard was born in those battles ...

[Beagle]

Chances have already been given ... 15 months of trenches - isn't it too much ?????

[nachkar67]

And what about the Ukrainians? How are we or not? I'm talking about the minister and the NGSH.

[75 Sergey]

Well, if we are not advancing, the enemy is doing it, you can, of course, counterattack on the flanks and encircle these breakthroughs, but ...

[Terenin]

Quote: 75Sergey

Well, if we are not advancing, the enemy is doing it, you can, of course, counterattack on the flanks and encircle these breakthroughs, but ...

I believe that at first the APU will be successful, they will run no more than 10 km, but then, when the reserve runs out, how will they hold their positions?
Early here they began to reel in fishing rods. A couple of weeks you need to wait with the conclusions and everything will become clear.
We notice.

[Kvakosavrus]

Well, if there are few combat-ready units, then neither Gerasimov, no one will do anything. It's like in Syria, there was a good division of the Tiger Force, it was dragged along all fronts where it was urgently needed. And the rest of the army fled at a serious threat.

[Vladimir80]

Yes, everything is going according to plan, according to a cunning plan, hoh.ly must defeat the second army of the world so that the people rally even more firmly around someone and his faithful squires !!!

[Aken]

Not the second one. Already twenty-third. For the twenty-second is the army of the outskirts.

[seviller]

Gentlemen who rummage through history, is this a repetition of the Crimean or Russian-Japanese?

[Cartalon]

The First World
Too short comment

[Nikolay310]

This is a complete copy of Russia, which we lost with Nikolasha the bloody. Only he at least tried to take responsibility ...

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: seviller

Gentlemen who rummage through history, is this a repetition of the Crimean or Russian-Japanese?

No matter how it turned out to be a repetition of the Soviet-Polish war of 1920 with the defeat of Tukhachevsky.

[Aken]

Neither one nor the other. This is the attack of Peter the Great on Narva.

[Ryaruav]

where did you see Peter the Great in modern power?

[alexander 66]

This is the Crimean and Russian-Japanese and 1st World War.

[AVESSALOM]

Another round of history that repeats itself like a farce. Bloody, unfortunately. The same vague leadership, the same gulf between the interests of the elites and the people ..

[UAZ 452]

Yes, in our country, to be honest, and not according to sleek history books, except for two domestic wars, the rest go through this scenario. Either we first win, then we rake to the very tomatoes (Livonian, Crimean and many others), or first we rake, then, having squeezed out all the resources, ruining the country, we begin to win (the Northern War, with its Narva defeat, bells poured into cannons). And there were very few wars in which Russia lost less than its opponents, except that the Turks also fought losses, not counting. So there are a lot of examples, the question is what scenario this time will go further.

[IgorZ]

Quote: seviller

Gentlemen who rummage through history, is this a repetition of the Crimean or Russian-Japanese?

More like Franco-Prussian. There, the French (led by Napoleon II) also started a war to prevent the unification of Germany under the auspices of Prussia. But the Prussians were ready for this, they defeated the French army, locked them in boilers. The generals had to hire deputies for money, they did not hire them, they put the money in their pockets. The emperor knew about everything, but he was in these schemes, so the generals, regardless of their personal qualities, were irremovable. The General Staff showed itself in such a way that after the war it was disbanded. Decisions during the hostilities were made not on the basis of military considerations, but on the basis of what they would say in Paris, etc. and so on.

[Lyuba1965_01]

Finnish 1939 - 1940
A lot of similarities.

[Kuziming]

Well, it's begun.
I hope it became clear that a miracle would not happen with the capture of the last high-rise building of Bakhmut, and all these assaults were of no strategic importance. Who will now hold the defense, whether the dragon pyramids will help, we will find out in the near future.

[UAZ 452]

One hope - the icons donated by the Supreme have managed to smuggle through all the military units, so if God approves of the SVO, then it will help.

[coinsam]

Oh, military correspondents ... They should have made military reports from the rear or from the front line, but no, analysis begins and stories about who, where, how much and why retreated.
"Under Stalin, this was not the case!"

[Vladimir80]

Most military correspondents are doubly risking - getting a mine from a Khokh.la and an article of the Criminal Code for honesty of judgments.

[hellcos]

I hope Kharkov history will not repeat itself, but the news is disturbing. What will happen when leopards and other trample at full strength?

[Vladimir80]

Pegov wrote that columns of vehicles including leopards are moving towards the Belgorod region ... (not my news!)

[BorzRio]

Poddubny says that armored columns of Ukrainians, including Western-style tanks, are moving towards the border and Belgorod.

[Aken]

I suppose another gesture of goodwill. And the menacing dances of the Foreign Ministry.

[Vladimir80]

A gesture of goodwill is not the worst option...

[UAZ 452]

A gesture of goodwill from Belgorod - this will not be another one. This have not happened before. It hasn't been for 80 years, and it shouldn't be.

[Beagle]

It will not happen again .... There will be another ... Belgorod history ....

[rocket757]

Russian military correspondent: Armed Forces of Ukraine organized a breakthrough in the Soledar area, the operation to encircle Wagner PMC began

. Question, question, and then ... but let's see what, where, how it will be later.

[Nikolay310]

This is a twist ... when I wrote this in the morning, the patriots furiously minus me ... when in the afternoon they simply deleted the message ... and now it turns out, Mikhalych ...

[Aken]

Such is life, colleague. And the patriots are actively winning. I guarantee that no one will do hara-kiri to wash away the shame.

[Maxim Sergeevich]

Well, anything can happen. Now for how they hit, they will beat everyone off and let's go forward. After all, the leadership is calm and on TV everything is fine showing that the Russian Federation is slowly moving forward

[Vladimir80]

In principle, if you watch TV (especially slag channels TNT, muses, a pit house, ...) - then everything is fine, beautiful marquise ...

[1 z1]

It seems that the leadership has not yet come to its senses, after "meetings with many guests on May 9.

[Vladimir80]

There may have been many events (probably very important and difficult!)

[Al manah]

Yes, Konashenkov today, as usual, "looked like an eagle, looked like a falcon" (c). Everything is fine.

[UAZ 452]

Yes, he is generally a flint-man! I’m sure that he will be just as brave and fit, even if the sushniks with weapons come into his studio. Even then, he will continue to broadcast about 100500 destroyed places of accumulation of enemy personnel and equipment, command posts and military infrastructure facilities. I admire them! A real Russian general!

[your1970]

Quote: UAZ 452

Even then, he will continue to broadcast about 100500 destroyed enemy personnel and equipment gathering places, command posts and military infrastructure facilities.

Read the Sovinformburo reports for 1941-1943 .... for starters ....
Against the background of those reports, he is a truth-teller rebuffed to the full head, telling the naked truth ...

[sopot]

Quote: Bulrumeb

Everyone who has at least a drop of reason has been talking about this for three months now, but MO, as you can see, all God's dew

Or maybe Puimn the thief, again, like all this war, surrendered something to his dear "partners" ...

[Volunteer Marek]

And, the Russian army is not going to fight?

[Vladimir80]

You mustaches announced that we are not at war! "brotherly" people after all!

[Pulkovo1942]

Amazing manipulation of public consciousness. When "V" was pushed back under Stupochki and in the area of ​​Sacco and Vanzetti, did Mr. "P" also arrange such a clowning?) And now it turns out that the MO is to blame)

[Beagle]

Now the clowns from the urapatriots will catch up. Which minuses always throw. Sofa guard ... Remember, because of room freaks like you
moral licking, in our army and in our country all this game is happening now ...

[Vladimir80]

Don't get mad at them, they might just be bots (patriotic AI)

[Aken]

They won't understand. What are we for? We are faithful Skabeevites. We are our own, compradors.

[Argon]

Either the urapatriots interfere with you, or the all-propellers. Who do you need then?

[Aken]

And what, besides them, there are no more people left in Russia? For example, those who are now taking Bakhmut. Do you remember them?

[Fangaro]

Maybe the problem is the lack of coordination between the Wagner soldiers and the soldiers of the RF Armed Forces?
Well, not privates, but unit commanders, from a company and larger.
Forget it, but I can’t believe that those who take part in real battles at a mortal risk to their lives do not try to negotiate against the enemy, and not for someone from above. Big stars and stripes do not sit in the trenches at the present time. ?

[BorzRio]

Poddubny says that armored columns of Ukrainians, including Western-style tanks, are moving towards the border and Belgorod. Looks like a massacre is about to begin on both sides. May God give strength and courage to our Russian wars!

[Lyuba1965_01]

I heard that the governor (or the mayor? Fuck them there) organized a terrorist defense.
So she will meet this column of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
For something was not heard about the fact that there are parts of the regular Russian army.

[PVV66]

Now the General Staff is organizing a "regrouping" and everything will be fine! There is experience.

[Aken]

I'm afraid not everyone will understand the irony. Witnesses HPP accurately - no.
At least two didn't understand.

[nikanikolich]

Prigozhin warned, but apparently someone really needed to merge these guys, that in general this is happening now. These PMCs? Gazvaz? and similar formations are a set-up of a set-up. It's a pity for the men, everything is like a x / f - "battalions ask for fire." The only question is who is responsible for this? Judging by the last thirty-three years, no one.

[Beagle]

Why won't anyone answer? Ordinary infantry soldiers Vanya, Magomed, Ramzan, Abido will answer for this with their lives ...

[al3x]

I turned on channel 1 - everything is fine there, the enemy suffers losses and retreats. Grabbed propaganda and calm I’ll listen to Konashenkov and in general I will stay in euphoria)

[former soldier]

I turned on channel 1 - everything is fine there, the enemy suffers losses and retreats. I grabbed propaganda and was calm wassat I’ll listen to Konashenkov and in general I will stay in euphoria)

Actually, you need to think a little.

[al3x]

Actually, it was sarcasm. Anyway.

[Barmaglot_07]

Quote: Former soldier

Actually, you need to think a little.

And for this you can get an article. For discredit.

[Metallurg_2]

Turned on channel 1 - everything is fine there, the enemy suffers losses and retreats

I bought the magazine "Korea" - it's good there too (c).

[UAZ 452]

North or south? As in the south - it doesn’t shine for us, as in the north - it seems that soon everything will be just as good with us too.

[ximkim]

Quote: Mavrikiy

If a deplorable situation develops with Wagner in Artemovsk, then Shoigu and his team will have to leave ... Horses are not changed at the crossing, they are shot if they are not ours. Stalin fired and won the war..

Shoigu will receive another medal (of the hero of Russia), and there you look, and not far from the hero of Ukraine ..

[cat Rusich]

Maybe that piece of land that the enemy occupied is simply burned out with TOS, Tornadoes, Grads ...
And only then go on the attack on "scorched earth".

[Sergey_52]

From the Orekhovsky direction, they report the use of chemical munitions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from which, after inhalation, they lose consciousness - military commander KP Kots

[Nikolay310]

For half a day the military review tried to pretend that nothing was happening and the great Putin was again outplaying the Swedes and other Honduras ... well, good morning !!!

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

What a surprise. It never happened.

[donavi49]

Well, nothing major has happened so far. About the environment - this is not the topic at all, look at the map.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine conduct reconnaissance in combat and local strikes. Just like they did before. One difference - there was no cement in the form of musicians or anyone else sensible (which Prigozhin said bluntly today - Wagner has no reserves to close the flanks, stand to the death). If you put aside the panic, then the result of three days:

In the north, a serious tactical failure - facilitating logistics, in the south - an almost operational crisis. If the opornik near Kleshcheevka had not been recaptured, then all the rest would have crumbled and a safety buffer of 3 km would have appeared at the track. And the question would have risen to Kleshcheevka. But the opornik was returned - so there are quite small real losses.

Near Soledar, if it is into the river, then again, squeezing out bridgeheads taken long ago for the future. If to Krasnopolovka / Yakovlevka, then yes, already with the aim of creating an operational crisis. But again, no concrete data yet.

[Kronos]

Well, in general, Ukrainian troops unblocked the supply road to Chasov Yar to Artemovsk.

[donavi49]

But half a kilometer from which position. Field roads are rolled up there, now they are dry, so they are actively used.

[Al manah]

You'd think it was blocked...

[former soldier]

About the environment - this is not the topic at all, look at the map.

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[Oleg812spb]

The map has been updated. The breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the area of ​​Bogdanovka, unfortunately, was successful. Units of the 9 SMEs of the RF Armed Forces have lost several more square kilometers.

[UAZ 452]

The map, by the way, shows well that butting the Wagner into the remaining western outskirts of Bakhmut is an activity that makes no sense from the point of view of military logic (but not from the point of view of PR). What is the way to the operational space?! There, after 2 km, Ivanovskoye, which has probably long been turned into the same fortified area, which they will “gnaw through” for another year, laying down their fighters in tens of thousands (Prigozhin himself cited the numbers), and urging Russian citizens to believe in the word that many times more vushnikov die (Why would they if they meet Wagner attacks in prepared positions?). They will gnaw through Ivanovskoye - then there will be Chasov Yar, this is for another year. In general, judging by the map, Prigozhin chose a place for the offensive of his PMC that was most conducive to getting stuck for an endless time. Or is that the point - the main thing is not the result, but the process itself?

[Lyuba1965_01]

We took a few meters in a few days - we rent in kilometers per day.
Bravo!

[My name]

The verdict is basically clear. Only Wagner knows how to fight and command in our army. The rest can't do anything.
Hence the conclusion is to disperse our entire general staff, instead of them, appoint the commanders of the PMC Wagner.
Otherwise, I foresee another "Izyum retreat" with the abandonment of soledar and bakhmut.

[d4rkmesa]

A year ago they knew how, but now "only Wagner knows how"? As for me, now the Wagnerites have lost their potential for exactly the same reasons - a decline in the absence of rotation.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

Khokhlov had to be beaten from the south along Kurdyumovka with access to Otradovka, and from the north to Praskovievka. Thus immediately cutting off our positions west of Bakhmut. Well, a distracting blow to Bryansk. Shine. The defeat is complete, the front collapsed, wild losses and operational space with access to Donetsk.

[flicker]

Here is another boy who sees a wolf. Only Smug Little Red Riding Hood still thinks it's Grandma

- Prigogine commented on the situation

He commented with ill-concealed gloating.
---
Kadyrov, on the other hand, offered to replace Wagner at the positions in Bakhmut, Prigogine seemed to agree, and then suddenly decided to stay.
Can't you understand him?

[flicker]

In addition to the above
Rusvesna with reference to the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine:

Russian troops are conducting offensive operations in the Donbass, attacking the positions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the Ukrainian General Staff reports in its summary.

The fiercest battles were for Bakhmut and Marinka. At the same time, the summary does not say anything about the offensive actions of the Armed Forces of Ukraine on the flanks of Bakhmut, which Prigozhin speaks about. It is only about the offensive actions of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.

Russian troops carried out more than 30 attacks in the following directions:

- Limansky - in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbSerebryansky forestry,

- Bakhmut - in Bakhmut and in the direction of Stupochek,

- Avdeevsky - in the Avdeevka area,

- Maryinsky - in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbMarinka,

- mining - in the Novomikhailovka area.

[9lvariag]

Ah yes, the Flicker of the fart. Already in Russia sites refer to the General Staff. APU?

[Blackmokona]

Quote: flicker

Here is another boy who sees a wolf. Only Smug Little Red Riding Hood still thinks it's Grandma

- Prigogine commented on the situation

He commented with ill-concealed gloating.
---
Kadyrov, on the other hand, offered to replace Wagner at the positions in Bakhmut, Prigogine seemed to agree, and then suddenly decided to stay.
Can't you understand him?

So Shoigu gave ammunition at the last moment

[16112014nk]

Prigogine seemed to agree, and then suddenly decided to stay.

Prigozhin was warned from the Moscow Region: leave your positions, it will be considered desertion, with all the ensuing consequences.

[16112014nk]

Will Shoige have enough conscience to resign? Or such a thing as conscience is unknown to him?

[Nikolay310]

For what? He still has the Hero of Ukraine to receive awards from NATA

[Vladimir80]

There was a highmars in a hostel, there was a raisin, there was a Kupyansk, a cruiser Moscow time ... Now why???

[Aken]

It seems that he does not understand at all what is happening and what he personally risks. Where was he going to run? Who and where is waiting for him?

[kventinasd]

Quote from Aken

It seems that he does not understand at all what is happening and what he personally risks.

And what should the parade-cardboard general, who is a complete zero in military affairs, understand?

[UAZ 452]

So, to be objective, he never hid the lack of a military education, so all claims are against the one who appointed the civil builder as Minister of Defense.

[your1970]

Quote: UAZ 452

so that all claims to the one who put the civil builder as the Minister of Defense.

The civil builder L.P. Beria turned out to be a good organizer in the nuclear program. Although where is the nucleus, and where is the architecture ....

[Vladimir M]

He is not retired, he should be judged. In general, nonsense - the 23rd or 27th army of the world is advancing on the 2nd army of the world and not without success. How can this be? And the explanation for the presence of mercenaries and the supply of weapons does not work. And the problem is not with soldiers, officers, military generals honestly doing their duty.

[flicker]

Have you heard anything about Prigogine's trolls? Can you tell me something about them?

[Aken]

Not this way. The 22nd army of the world is advancing on the 23rd army.

[Nikolay310]

It looks like it’s worth finally realizing that Stolyarov’s father-in-law and Mu-Mu are traitors

[1 z1]

Peskov about the course of the special operation: “You ask why the Russians are acting so slowly? Because the Russians don't wage war."

I thought that after this statement, everything should become clear to everyone

[Pavel73]

You read the comments and you are amazed ... Well, who will really tell us what is there actually happening?! There is a lot of information mixed with disinformation. Otherwise it is impossible.

[seviller]

Quote: mordvin xnumx

Quote: seviller

Gentlemen who rummage through history, is this a repetition of the Crimean or Russian-Japanese?

No matter how it turned out to be a repetition of the Soviet-Polish war of 1920 with the defeat of Tukhachevsky.

In the Soviet-Polish, nevertheless, a specific commander lost. In Krymskaya, the system itself lost. If now, instead of Gerasimov, a General Staff officer of Vasilevsky's level is appointed, he still won't be able to do anything.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: seviller

In the Soviet-Polish, nevertheless, a specific commander lost.

There was also a shortage of ammunition, poor intelligence, communication problems, the Poles were pumped up with Western weapons, and Budyonny's cavalry was bombed by American mercenaries.

[Million]

It seems that Wagner decided to merge.
Prigozhin said a lot of things that were impartial in relation to the Moscow Region.

[Vladimir80]

It's strange that he was put up with it for so long!

[d4rkmesa]

Hasham was already there, which is quite possible. Substitute - do not blink an eye.

[flicker]

It seems that Wagner decided to merge.

Not Wagner, but Prigogine.

Prigozhin said a lot of things that were impartial in relation to the Moscow Region.

Not for this and not the Moscow Region, its owners, since it leaked the master's money (and this is hundreds of billions of rubles), but did not complete the main task: he could not raise a rebellion in Russia.
This means that Prigozhin's owners will not be able to recoup the money spent on the rebellion scenario.

[Evgeny Ivanov_5]

It's time for Prigozhin to leave Artemovsk and pull the units out of the bag. It is already clear that the personnel units are fleeing, exposing the flanks and the threat of a deep envelopment of our group in Bakhmut has risen to its full height.

[9lvariag]

Quote: Maz

The counteroffensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine has begun, the Ukrainian army has launched an operation to encircle the Russian forces in the Artemovsk direction, according to the military commander of the All-Russian State Television and Radio Broadcasting Company Yevgeny Poddubny.

Poddubny, citing sources, reports a breakthrough of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in the direction of Berkhovka and Yagodnoe, where the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation retreated from their positions, and local success of the Armed Forces of Ukraine was also recorded in the Kleshcheevka area.

In addition, in the Soledar area, the Armed Forces of Ukraine were able to organize a breakthrough with the support of armored groups, each of which had 2-3 tanks. In the coming days, apparently, Kyiv will begin to increase its efforts in the south. In the Orekhov area, in order to tie up the RF Armed Forces with battles, and in the Gulyai Poly area in order to break through the first line of defense, Poddubny reports.
From the Orekhovsky direction, they report the use of chemical munitions by the Armed Forces of Ukraine, from which, after inhalation, they lose consciousness - military commander KP Kots

There was no need to grow a beard to the navel, like 1700s model chubaks.

[Carlos Hall]

And I ask, amazed and in my ignorance. How is it possible that it is so difficult for Russia to move forward, while the Ukrainians manage to do it so easily?

[Ivan Ivanov_36]

Give orders to retreat and leave positions.

[UAZ 452]

Something incomprehensible is already happening in Bakhmut: Prigogine himself speaks about the danger of encircling the city, and immediately broadcasts about some occupied territories measuring 250 by 200 meters. Will it somehow affect the overall situation in the case of the environment? They will leave the whole city, which has been heroically stormed for 10 months, in a couple of days, leaving the encirclement, and they will also have to leave the weapons.
If the units of the Defense Ministry retreat, "holding" the flanks of the musicians, then Prigozhin should send them ammunition and reinforcements from himself, and he still drags all the reserves on himself, arguing that it is necessary to clear the remaining quarters of the city. But at such a pace, he will release them for several more months, but what about the danger of flank envelopment? A sane military leader goes on the offensive only after he secures the flanks and rear, but are Prigozhin and other PMC leaders sane? The last few weeks have cast doubt on that. Or some kind of murky contractual schemes are spinning there that have nothing to do with the approach of victory in the NWO. Moreover, they are spinning from the side of Prigozhin and the leadership of the Moscow Region. So it's not far from disaster.

[Stinging Nettle]

That's right, why so many minuses?

[Sid2014]

It’s easier to put a minus than to justify your position and thoughts. I think the minusers are those who believe the reports for housewives (from Konashenkov). I wrote earlier that Kherson would be handed over, so they showered me with minuses and warned me on the site. Nobody likes the truth, especially the bitter one. And from everything that is happening, the conclusion suggests itself that WE HAVE NOT LEARNED ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING IS RUNING THE SAME! (see tg channel 2 major and a kotsa) ONLY NOW WHERE TO CRIMEA OR FURTHER ???

[UAZ 452]

Because not the worst professionals worked for Prigozhin's PR. Now for some time he can create any game, and the people will eat it for a sweet soul.

[1erWahrheitsMinister_1984]

Ich kann es einfach nicht fassen, dass jetzt tatsächlich passiert,
was Prigochin schon seit Wochen immer wieder klipp und klar
vorhergesehen, besser noch befürchtet hat...?!?

Seit Wochen weiß man ziemlich genau, welches Szenario der
ukrainischen Führung vorschwebt um gerade die "Gruppe Wagner"
anzugreifen, die den Ukraine-Nazis so sehr zugesetzt hat...und
jetzt DAS...!!

Diese Sache stinkt zum Himmel und zeigt - jedenfalls fur mich -
dass Präsident Putin scheinbar immer noch nicht genug mit der
Faust auf den Tisch geschlagen hat...!!!

Möchte Schoigu unbedingt gefeuert werden...?!?
Was ist da nur los verdammt noch mal...?!??

[azkolt]

Quote: Vladimir80

No, it's not weird, it's scary. Passionaries must lay down their lives in the steppes of Donbass, and swarthy, industrious new citizens will come in their place...

These hard-working people are already trying their hand at various cities of the Russian Federation and showing their swarthy fangs. Although I myself work next to an organization where there are a lot of them and I can’t say anything bad about them. They plow all 24 hours.

[Stinging Nettle]

When they are at work, they are normal. They are good people in their own way, only brought up differently. According to their concepts, it is possible to rush and kick. They don't think they are doing something bad. From their point of view - they just maintain order, correct if someone behaves wrong. They sincerely think so.
They do not have an internal barrier before a fight that ours have. We have been told for many generations that the state has a monopoly on violence, and in order to start a fight, you need to step over this barrier. And they are different.
There are very few people who consciously want evil, among all peoples. Most people want to be normal. They just have different standards than we do.

[Lyuba1965_01]

The fact is that they consider (from their point of view quite reasonably) Russian women ... hmm ... accessible, and Russian men those who have these affordable daughters and wives.
And with such, according to the Koran, the conversation is short and they, especially men who allow their wives and daughters to behave and look like this, are unworthy.

[Vladimir Dmitrievich Burtsev]

Dear, why do Putin and Shoigu tolerate the sloppiness of our generals in Artyomovsk? Another slap of our General Staff of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation! Where is d .... th Surovikin ?! What does Gerasimov do?! That there are not enough flamethrowers or guided bombs in Artyomovsk? Where are the reserves of the RF Armed Forces? Again Gerasimov surrenders his troops and positions. It's time to fire Gerasimov and put him on trial for treason!

[zurbagan63]

Quote: Beagle

Now the clowns from the urapatriots will catch up. Which minuses always throw. Sofa guard ... Remember, because of room freaks like you
moral licking, in our army and in our country all this game is happening now ...

but for fun I’ll put a minus, at least some entertainment))) Gee-gee-gee

[Yapet100]

Well, who could have thought that the Ukrainian Armed Forces would launch its offensive!

[Fangaro]

Quote: al3x

I turned on channel 1 - everything is fine there, the enemy suffers losses and retreats. Grabbed propaganda and calm I’ll listen to Konashenkov and in general I will stay in euphoria)

Sometimes in the evening it’s better to have 1 Stolichnaya instead of Channel 0,25. And you sleep soundly, and in the morning there is new news on Channel 1. Which you don’t read or watch, because you need to work, and not wait for big stars to decide to take care of privates and junior officers. But big stars don’t plow the land, don’t teach in schools, don’t teach graduates of former vocational schools how to work on modern machines, or auto mechanics who have just graduated from college how to work around a car.

[alystan]

The difficult situation in the Bakhmut direction is also confirmed by military correspondent Evgeniy Poddubny.

Isn't this a little outdated information?

[AlexWar]

If there was a breakthrough site, it was necessary to send tanks and infantry there
The question is what they were doing there on the spot; they did not control the approach of enemy forces. The one who does not control the situation loses.
It’s time to clear the commanders’ minds that retreat is unacceptable.
The question is why there were no retaliatory strikes. The troops defending the positions did not know where to turn? Where are the helicopters that can send reinforcements?
If there was an attack, then it would probably be better to hit the flanks of the attackers.
It wasn’t even an offensive, for some reason I think that the neighboring troops rather gave the shells to Wagner
Why was a civilian minister of defense appointed? Unclear. After all, they essentially destroyed the entire army with two appointments. Serdyukov began to cut everything unnecessary, Shoigu cut everything there before he left the Ministry of Emergency Situations.
The reform of the police, which has stopped catching crime and releases everyone, medicine, which has essentially stopped helping people, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, apart from fires, we see nothing new from them. and here is an army in which there are no uniforms or shells left on the mobilized.
Haven’t they seen that the United States is sponsoring one conflict and then another, and now, besides everything else, they have set the whole world on us, Ukraine is going around the world collecting weapons.

[Sinner]

Quote: Maz

selected areas where there are not the most trained and well-armed units

Are there untrained and poorly armed units at the front? And even in critical sectors of the front? Wow! How then was the Russian Federation going to win? It looks like the valiant RF Armed Forces will run again!

[cash]

this is a cypsum, why drag it to VO? Coal has already confirmed that this was a special stuffing to check journalists and military correspondents... calmly everywhere except Bakhmut

[AlexWar]

They said that airborne troops were stationed there, but in fact they were no longer airborne. For scaring away or something. Or now we can call any formations airborne forces. Just recently they said on the news that the Airborne Forces troops were supposed to be kept from breaking through, apparently again the Airborne Forces were sent somewhere to the Zaporozhye front and here again units were left without cover. Yes, what if they run away from us?
If there was a commander in charge there would be order, they simply run and don’t listen to their commander. Lately there has not been a single news about attacks on that part of the front, but the Ukrainians are already excited that everyone there is being destroyed.
There is an order to abandon positions and it’s time to carry it out.
Ukrainians never attacked en masse, a couple of tanks and 45 infantry
How can you run when there are up to 100 thousand reserves nearby???
I think no one gave them such an order to retreat, they left their positions and now they will have to stop the enemy before he gets behind Wagner’s rear.
Let Wagner themselves carry out lynching with those who escaped.
We need blocking detachments so that no one runs anywhere.
And the most important question I need to ask you was who gave the order to retreat? You don’t have a radio to request help from both aircraft and Iskanders
Now such people need to be removed who were the instigators of the escape

[Esaul]

It's strange somehow. Our army fights for months for one small piece of land, and the Ukrainians recapture it in a day. No, this is not strange, this is the result of the country’s degradation over 30 years.

[tolmachiev51]

everything is predictable - according to info.media, only Wagner is fighting here! They will be the first to be “bent over”. They got to the point that we have only Prigozhin at war with the entire NATO. The market needs to be filtered.

[Tagan]

Quote: Beagle

Now the clowns from the urapatriots will catch up. Which minuses always throw. Sofa guard ... Remember, because of room freaks like you
moral licking, in our army and in our country all this game is happening now ...

How tsipsota and liberota intensified, however. It's like pissing on boiling water.
Are you in a trench? And apparently handsome?)))

[Tagan]

Pay attention to those peeing boiling water here. It’s like a wave is being driven on cue. And what’s interesting is that of the “caring” ones, many are relatively “fresh”))

[Tagan]

Quote: Beagle

So they always rule here ... By the way, you can look at customers and see who and how changes shoes right in a day .. From laudatory odes to angry condemnations ..

Using your example, it will be very interesting to observe how many times you change your shoes in one jump, after yesterday’s “minute of fame.”

[Tagan]

Quote: Nikolay310

This is a twist ... when I wrote this in the morning, the patriots furiously minus me ... when in the afternoon they simply deleted the message ... and now it turns out, Mikhalych ...

What else can you do with the accomplices of Tsipsota?
But you have to be picky, and not peck at everything that smells. What is it today? "Here's a new twist"?

[Seal]

Quote: Maz

Units of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade and 374th Motorized Rifle Brigade also left their positions at the stronghold of the Armed Forces of Ukraine north-west of Kleshcheevka, which were quickly occupied by Wagner PMC fighters.

And where is the tribunal? The command of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade and the 374th Motorized Rifle Brigade should be put on trial, condemned and sent to PMC Wagner as privates or junior commanders. Which of the units of the 4th Motorized Rifle Brigade and the 374th Motorized Rifle Brigade fled the position first - too.

[Mikhail Ivanov]

To publish such messages you need to have solid information! In this case, Poddubny acted as an alarmist. The problems of interaction between Wagner and the Moscow Region have not been canceled, but yesterday’s acceleration in the cart will not help us much, and in fact will create unnecessary movements. Military correspondents, despite all their necessity, began to talk too much, they will soon become army commanders...

[Lech from Android.]

Quote from Aken

Why are we surprised? This is Shoigu. I miss Taburetkin. At least he's smart. Give it back.
Taburetkin, we screwed up. Save us

He will return with his women’s battalion...where should they go?

[nik-mazur]

I read all 250 comments and still don’t understand - have we completely screwed up the war and do we urgently need to learn language or is there still a chance to stop the enemy at least in the Urals? There is such an intensity of patriotic hysterics and strategic panic that you can’t figure it out without half a liter...

[polynet]

Quote from: nik-mazur

I read all 250 comments and still don’t understand - have we completely screwed up the war and do we urgently need to learn language or is there still a chance to stop the enemy at least in the Urals? There is such an intensity of patriotic hysterics and strategic panic that you can’t figure it out without half a liter...

https://aftershock.news/?q=node/1244310

[polynet]

Quote from: nik-mazur

I read all 250 comments and still don’t understand - have we completely screwed up the war and do we urgently need to learn language or is there still a chance to stop the enemy at least in the Urals? There is such an intensity of patriotic hysterics and strategic panic that you can’t figure it out without half a liter...

What is really happening on the flanks near Artemovsk

The independent blogging community quoted Prigozhin as not believing Zelensky’s words that the counter-offensive has been postponed. According to the main “musician,” “Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky is disingenuous. The counter-offensive is in full swing. Ukrainian Armed Forces units are entering the flanks, successfully.”

According to Prigozhin, the Armed Forces of Ukraine want to surround the “Wagnerites” in Bakhmut/Artemovsk, and then, amid a surge of adrenaline and euphoria, rush to Zaporozhye, Bryansk and Belgorod regions. “It is important for the Ukrainian Armed Forces to break through the Bakhmut direction. If this works out, the next directions will be Bryansk and Belgorod regions,” said Evgeniy Viktorovich.

Meanwhile, according to insider reports from Bankova, Zelensky was informed about the start of the first stage of the Ukrainian army’s operation near Bakhmut. Its goal is to “move Russian soldiers away from the “road of life.”

As the popular telegram channels of Square write, “in several sectors of the front we managed to open the first redoubts of the [Russian] defense, and also advanced several kilometers in the fields near Ivanovsk. In the city, the Armed Forces of Ukraine continue to maintain a high-rise building area.” And in general, “The Armed Forces of Ukraine have not yet started,” with a clear allusion to a common expression in Russia regarding the Northern Military District.

But here information misunderstandings begin (or rather, continue). It makes sense to provide a direct quote from the overseas Institute for the Study of War (ISW) in the report for May 11: “The commander of the Eastern Group of Forces of Ukraine, Colonel General Alexander Syrsky, stated that Russian troops retreated two kilometers in unspecified areas of the Bakhmut Front. Syrsky’s confirmation of Ukraine’s successes prompted a response from Prigozhin, who said that Ukrainian forces had launched a counter-offensive and recaptured three kilometers of territory in and around Bakhmut.”

Independent independent experts, as they joke on chats, went for “heavy alcohol” to sort out the situation. One of them wrote on his page on the social network: “You, Alexander Stanislavovich [Syrsky] and Evgeniy Viktorovich [Prigozhin], at least agreed with each other on the “successes of the Ukrainian army, and did not fool people.”

They say that Syrsky always embellishes (they took 2 km), and Prigozhin, on the contrary, worsens (they took 3 km), and the total turns out to be just a little, or, in general, zero, since both military leaders need to “make their own sensation.”

According to the truth-tellers, we are talking about an ordinary “temptation”, which, nevertheless, the Ukrainian Armed Forces fell for.

“MTR units and Alpha special forces have been actively deployed to the semi-encircled city since February, and losses became noticeable for us already in March. As a result, the Ukrainian Armed Forces lost some of their most combat-ready and, most importantly, experienced units before the counter-offensive. Several tens of thousands of soldiers were lost. Bakhmut really no longer has strategic importance, but continues to remain a “meat grinder”, where our main losses are from enemy artillery and air bombs,” writes Ukrainian blogger rezident.

However, a number of Rosvoenkorov reported that units of the Russian Armed Forces had surrendered some positions in the area of ​​Bogdanovka (6 km northwest of Bakhmut) and Khromovo (immediately west of Bakhmut), as well as near Ivanovsky and Kleshcheevka. The TikTokers actually posted several photos of the oporniks allegedly left behind by our fighters, but without the Russian “two hundredths”. This alone raises doubts about the reliability of the footage. If we assume that there was in fact some minor movement, then we are not talking about any breakthrough.

“I would like to remind everyone that the combination of high susceptibility and methodical information and sabotage work of the enemy can lead us to panic,” commented the commander of the Vostok battalion of the DPR armed forces, Alexander Khodakovsky, on the “victory” of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The Russian Ministry of Defense even published a refutation after an outburst of emotional posts from some Rosvoenkorov: “Statements disseminated by individual telegram channels about “defense breakthroughs” that took place in various sections of the line of combat contact do not correspond to reality.

As of 22.00 on May 11, 2023, three enemy attempts to conduct reconnaissance in force in the Donetsk direction were thwarted, and eight attacks by the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the positions of Russian troops were successfully repelled.”

What is curious: this information is consistent with the information of the Ukrainian General Staff, whose evening report (May 11) states that the fiercest battles are taking place for Bakhmut and Marinka. But there is not a word about the offensive actions of the Ukrainian Armed Forces on the flanks of Bakhmut, which Prigozhin talks about. On the contrary, only the enemy's offensive actions are reported.

“The Russians are trying to mislead Ukrainians about their military goals,” said Deputy Defense Minister of Ukraine Ganna Malyar. “We believe the facts. Fact: the number of enemy shelling in the Bakhmut and Liman directions has increased significantly in recent weeks. That is, there is something to shoot with,” Malyar clarified.

Of course, one can assume that the Ukrainian warriors, represented by their top bosses, are playing some kind of their own game. They say they are trying to “relax” the Russian army as much as possible. However, the internal situation in “Nezalezhnaya” is such that the Ze-team is in dire need of any “victories”, even the smallest ones.

Separately, we will say that another information bomb exploded in Ukraine in the form of the video “Panchenko vs. Zelensky,” which tells about the terrible things that are happening in Nenko. Bankova began terror against its people, throwing into the basements of the SBU everyone who blathered anything against the Ukrainian president and his “grave”.

The generous Ukrainians, it seems, are no longer “excited” by the alleged capture of several oporniks near Bakhmut. They begin to understand at what price these “victories” come at a price, if you can even call them that. As of May 12.05.2023, 17, the Ministry of Defense officially recognized more than 205 thousand missing persons (the numbers are much higher), and volunteers of the funeral teams of the Armed Forces of Ukraine counted XNUMX thousand obituaries of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

Ukraine is being shaken by “forced mobilization.” A huge number of videos are published from cities where military commissars organize a “safari hunt” for men in order to serve them with summonses. In order to somehow justify the “grave”, the Ze-team needs real “victories”, and not the capture of several oporniks at the cost of half a thousand of Independence’s defenders.

[Iuriy Snitko]

Now is the time to transfer the Wagners to another area. There are too many coincidences again. And the road to Artyomovsk is abandoned and the flanks crumble. There are a thousand dill with a cap sitting there, they can’t block the road for them..,

[Moskal 55]

For now, we can only state the weakness of the Russian Defense Ministry units that retreated from the flanks of Artemovsk. Here, it is clearly not only Shoigu and Gerasimov who are to blame, but also the specific personnel of the units. And instead of wild cries about the incompetent authorities and generals, it is high time to pay attention to people “of our level”, i.e. from private to major, no higher. And tell them every time that escaping from positions or surrendering is a shame! A person will think a lot if he reads from every blog that soldiers are honored and respected in society, and cowards and refuseniks are disgraced.
There are few options.
Maidan is a clear loss of everything and the collapse of the country with the further semi-slavish existence of the stubs.
Losing in the SVO is most likely the same thing, but postponed for some time, with little chance of survival.
“Not losing” in the Northern Military District - time to reformat the country and society, i.e. you and me.
And everyone is to blame - otherwise the USSR would not have collapsed. Even in 96, the majority was for Yeltsin... They wanted capitalism and entry into the Western world. Got!

[Guran33 Sergey]

when will this shit be removed? YOU admins either take off your cross or put on your panties!

[sashok1951.21]

For almost 20 years, the most mediocre officers, in order not to “educate” idiots, were sent to academies. Like so as not to interfere. Now, apparently, these “priceless” personnel, in infrequent moments of alcoholic enlightenment, control the troops. Disgraceful.

[megavolt823]

In the former Ukrainian SSR there are different streams of consciousness. The treacherous Svidomo, the oligarchy and Western intelligence services and the interests of the deep West. The oligarchy and Svidomites are taking revenge on their former territories. Hence the shelling of Donetsk and Lugansk. The West, realizing the scarcity of military capabilities, wants to expand the contact zone. Wants several fronts. Hence the attacks on the Bryansk region, Kursk. Provocation, to force the Russian Federation to enter the Sumy and Kharkov regions. Achieve expansion of fronts. Loosen your fist from Solidar and Artyomovsk. It is important for the West to involve the Russian armed forces in urban battles. And attacks from the Russian Federation in cities. For negativity from the population. And the imposition of sabotage, guerrilla warfare. It's cheaper for the West. A ton of TNT costs less than a ton of modern weapons. And the population, driven to despair, will carry out subversive activities for little money. How it all happened before.