Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

The situation in the Artyomovskaya agglomeration continues to be difficult. Moreover, it is difficult not only for the Armed Forces of Ukraine, but also for the Russian forces. The alarm is caused by the activity of the enemy during attacks on the flanks. As already reported, the Armed Forces of Ukraine managed to break through the defense of the Russian army units south of Artyomovsk and advance several hundred meters in the direction of Kleshcheevka. In the version of the General Staff of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, the advance took place at a distance of 2 km.

The positions of which units of the RF Armed Forces were attacked? According to the latest information, these are units of the 4th separate motorized rifle brigade and the 374th OMSB. They were forced to leave their strongholds to the north-west of the key defensive center in this direction - the aforementioned Kleshcheevka.

To date, there are encouraging reports that the fighters of the Wagner PMC, having advanced towards the oporniks lost by other units, have recaptured the previously lost positions. Several Ukrainian servicemen were taken prisoner after an artillery strike was inflicted on the Ukrainian troops, cutting off their advanced orders (assault units).

The Wagner PMC notes that the return of positions lost by other units is too expensive. After all, these are not only initial territorial and human losses, but also losses in manpower during the return of strongholds.

Meanwhile, in Artyomovsk itself, the situation is extremely difficult for the enemy. At the moment, no more than 600 meters remain until the city is completely liberated. Fights are taking place in several quarters, including the private sector and the so-called "Airplane" area, from where the roads to Chasov Yar and Konstantinovka go.

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[Orange Bigg]

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

[Nexcom]

Yes. And what was given before will be required to be returned.

[Dingo]

And what was given before will be required to be returned.

Something else needs to be returned - monetary allowance (and "combat" ones too), because "every mistake has a first name, last name," and in this case, a rank.
And another question - who needs these "parquet bastards" from the "Kremlin" military district, from the "Rublyov-Barvikha" direction?
What are they doing there? With their competence as a graduate lieutenant? If the "musicians" are forced to beat off what they ... (mate, sorry)?

[vinschu]

Something you are too complementary about a graduate. It seems that the graduate lieutenant of the "shaggy 80s" had more brains than the current big stars at times.

[Vashek]

This is true. Indeed, in the 90s, only good-for-nothing dubaki went to schools. Now they are in MO.

[nedgen]

Quote: vinschu

Something you are too complementary about a graduate. It seems that the graduate lieutenant of the "shaggy 80s" had more brains than the current big stars at times.

Sorry Nicholas, but I do not agree with you. The lieutenant of the 80s is definitely inferior in terms of the presence of brains to the generals from the Arbat Military District. Only their brains work differently. The lieutenant’s brain worked on how to train better fighters or how to get into Afghanistan so that he could get combat experience and it wouldn’t even occur to him to rob his soldiers, but the generals have a lot of brains, but they are sharpened on how military property in the form of hard cash got into their pockets. So the lieutenant of the 80s is far from the generals as far as the moon with cancer !!!

[Babermetis]

Quote: Sea Cat

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

And then who will fight there at all?

Great question! Is there an answer to the question?

[Tarasios]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

Well, at least it’s good that the Ministry of Defense does not require RETURNING EXCESS ammunition, it will become of them;)

[Catfish]

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

And then who will fight there at all?

[azkolt]

Quote from Orange Bigg

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

Good afternoon to the hut!))) He returned after 10 days in prison. Thanks to the moderators, otherwise I would have told myself for sure after the Kremlin. Well, now to the point. Just today, one person at work told me (and he has a childhood friend there) that the army is not full of shells either. As he said, they give 5 rounds per day to the tank. How much did I buy for that and sell it! If this is accumulation before the offensive of the Ukrainians, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME ALL THE SAME AS STUPIDITY, THE ENEMY SHOULD BE EXHAUSTED AND KNOCKED NOW, AND NOT WHEN HE IS SUPPOSED!

[Babermetis]

Quote: azkolt

Quote from Orange Bigg

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

Just don’t say this to the MO, otherwise they will suddenly cut off the supply of ammunition to PMC Wagner again because of this.

Good afternoon to the hut!))) He returned after 10 days in prison. Thanks to the moderators, otherwise I would have told myself for sure after the Kremlin. Well, now to the point. Just today, one person at work told me (and he has a childhood friend there) that the army is not full of shells either. As he said, they give 5 rounds per day to the tank. How much did I buy for that and sell it! If this is accumulation before the offensive of the Ukrainians, THEN IT SEEMS TO ME ALL THE SAME AS STUPIDITY, THE ENEMY SHOULD BE EXHAUSTED AND KNOCKED NOW, AND NOT WHEN HE IS SUPPOSED!

And if they accumulate taking into account the attack of NATO countries, then, logically, it is necessary to at least give an order to prepare for the use of tactical nuclear weapons and identify those officers who at zero hour will turn out to be traitors to the motherland.
Then urgently eliminate them, and even then send everything that is from the warehouses and send it to the attack!

[flicker]

Soldiers of PMC "Wagner" returned the strongholds lost by other Russian units south of Artyomovsk

So they left them on their own.

[carpenter]

“Regarding the counteroffensive, Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky is disingenuous. The counteroffensive is in full swing. In the Artyomovsk direction, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go into the flanks, and, unfortunately, in some places they are successful in doing this, ”said Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio response to a request from Voice of the People.
Speaking about the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he suggested that the Ukrainian troops first need to defeat his PMC in Bakhmut in order to raise morale. According to the head of the private army, Ukrainian units are involved in the offensive, which have already undergone the necessary military training and received weapons, including Western tanks. Prigozhin added that after the Armed Forces of Ukraine “flex their muscles” in Bakhmut, an offensive will begin in the northern and southern directions, including Zaporozhye, Bryansk and Belgorod.

[azkolt]

Quote: carpenter

“Regarding the counteroffensive, Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky is disingenuous. The counteroffensive is in full swing. In the Artyomovsk direction, units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine go into the flanks, and, unfortunately, in some places they are successful in doing this, ”said Yevgeny Prigozhin in an audio response to a request from Voice of the People.
Speaking about the counter-offensive of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, he suggested that the Ukrainian troops first need to defeat his PMC in Bakhmut in order to raise morale. According to the head of the private army, Ukrainian units are involved in the offensive, which have already undergone the necessary military training and received weapons, including Western tanks. Prigozhin added that after the Armed Forces of Ukraine “flex their muscles” in Bakhmut, an offensive will begin in the northern and southern directions, including Zaporozhye, Bryansk and Belgorod.

It seems to me that before Zelya's arrival, the offensive will not begin, and he is supposed to receive some kind of medal from the Western masters there. He is a media personality and it is important for him that he shines during the offensive, and not without him they started!)))

[gsev]

Quote: azkolt

It seems to me that the offensive will not begin until Zeli arrives.

Most likely, Zelya will remain in the West until the results of his offensive are received. If she succeeds, she will return to Ukraine, and if she fails, Zelya will return to Israel.

[private person]

“Regarding the counteroffensive, Vladimir Aleksandrovich Zelensky is disingenuous.

He is not disingenuous, but hangs pasta to our General Staff of the Russian Federation. And what is interesting here in the General Staff they believe him.

[Leshak]

It's complicated and there's a lot of things you don't understand. Somehow, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are quickly punching holes in our defenses, and this is without a massive offensive.

[Nexcom]

This is what surprises me so much....

[spirit]

This is what surprises me so much

And what is surprising here? No matter how sad it may sound, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are doing everything right. They are beating between units that are openly hostile. and breaks. ...sadly

[private person]

This is what surprises me so much...

And why be surprised even if Rogozin said that the enemy is stronger than us and we need a new mobilization. And where are our 300 thousand. mobikov? Is it really that the second army of the world has ended, and 22 has taken its place?

[Garik Gorkin]

When there are not enough shells, then what is the point in additional mobilization.

[Hadji Murat]

The enemy deliberately hits very unstable units after reconnaissance, while there is a strange thing - saving personnel, like it’s better to retreat, and then big losses when returning the lost Russian territories are not taken into account,?

[alystan]

It's complicated and there's a lot of things you don't understand. Somehow, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are quickly punching holes in our defenses, and this is without a massive offensive.

They not only made breaches, but also "recaptured" the advanced positions from the personnel units, which they abandoned (?!)
And again, "Wagner" corrects other people's mistakes ...

[Xenofont]

Wagner was taken by one of the oporniks for a whole month, and the cadres handed him over overnight ... Later they were beaten off due to the fact that the kakel did not have time to bring serious forces there.

[barclay]

There are not enough forces on our part, even after mobilization.

[Babermetis]

Quote: barclay

There are not enough forces on our part, even after mobilization.

Not enough commanders.

[rotmistr60]

fighters of PMC "Wagner", advancing towards the oporniks lost by other units, recaptured the previously lost positions.

"Wagner" also works like an "ambulance" - where they call them badly and they carry out resuscitation. Someone should be ashamed.

[Enceladus]

In programming, this is called the old button accordion "patching script holes with script boards." That's just the encoder that makes these holes - just MO. I used to respect Shoigu, but now I am skeptical. How many times have the generals been changed to the NWO? 4 times EMNIP - things are still there. It seems that MO is like in an old joke:
Pilot to navigator: Did you take the maps?
Toth: yes, 2 decks.
Pilot: oh, again we will fly over a pack of belomer

Again, another mess, like in the 2nd Chechen. As in the same Kizlyar and the subsequent assault on Pervomaisky. Yes, as much as possible! Under Stalin, Shoigu's brains would have washed a brick wall long ago, and Prigozhin became Minister of Defense.

[cat Rusich]

Quote from Enceladus

Again, another mess, like in the 2nd Chechen. As in the same Kizlyar and the subsequent assault on Pervomaisky.
Yes, as much as possible!

Maybe you mean 1st Chechen company...
hostage taking in Kizlyar happened from 9 to 10 January 1996.
Battle for Pervomaisk was passing from 10 to 19 January 1996.

[coinsam]

Everyone has failures. Alas, in the informational noise that accompanies the coverage of hostilities, it is almost impossible to determine the real reason for military failures - were they for objective reasons, or subjective. Few people know the real reason, and I would not be in a hurry to indiscriminately condemn someone.
And do not look at the Wagners as universal terminators - and they may have failures.

[Lyuba1965_01]

One fact is enough for ordinary people: what the Wagnerites took for months, the Russian so-called. The "army", only - only, with fresh forces, having entered the battles in this direction, surrenders in a day, if not faster.
And what do you think ordinary people like me should think?
About some subjective or objective errors?
Or what they see?

[wladimirjankov]

the Wagnerites took months, the Russian so-called. The "army", only - only, with fresh forces, having entered the battles in this direction, surrenders in a day, if not faster.

our army has a lot of experience and practice in this. In the autumn of last year, under raisins, Kupyansk and estuaries, our units scrambled 30 km a day, sorry, "relocated and regrouped", abandoning equipment and weapons. But Wagner did not have such a practice yet.

[reaper]

Everyone has failures

sorry, with so many analysts-officers receiving salaries from the budget in the Moscow Region, there should be no mistakes and failures in principle.
otherwise what for they are needed there if failures are allowed

[Lemur2023]

It seems that in Russia there is only one capable unit

[Ross xnumx]

Quote from Lemur2023

It seems that in Russia there is only one capable unit

It seems that in Russia a certain force prevents the proper conduct of hostilities and creates all sorts of obstacles for people who have taken weapons, but act not according to the science of fighting, but on the orders of incompetent commanders and superiors. incapable of responding quickly to changing circumstances. I cannot understand how it is possible to slam through the accumulation of enemy forces for a breakthrough and delay the orders of the MFA, aviation to destroy forces and means ...
* * *
And the new privatization during the NWO is a stone in the garden ...
Some no longer know how to cause a new wave of hatred of Russian citizens for the authorities. But why this is done - you can understand. It remains to ask the guarantor who governs the country and why everything is done "cancer" in our country?

[AAK]

First of all, this "some kind of force" - the lack of a high-quality system of combat control and communications, too long passage of information through the authorities before a decision is made, and when it is made, its relevance has long been lost, it is necessary to prepare, accept and bring to the units new, and it has also already lost its relevance in a rapidly changing combat situation and a vicious circle is obtained, and in conditions when the main idea and life principle of the "striped" and multi-star ones is "no matter what happens" and "the main thing is not to do it, the main thing is to report" , hence the stupor in assessing the situation and the fear of making a decision ... and asking anything from the one who was named - so He will not answer, then you need to shoot Koresh, but do it for no reason, is there anything Peskov again bryaknet from his miserable mind ...

[donavi49]

This is already on the eastern bank of the river from Ivanovsky (this is where Stupki and the H32 road) were attacked, several landings were shot down. Then rolled back to the original. Mutual prisoners.

Total 3 areas of probing:

[Dingo]

In the spring of last year (2022), something similar happened in the Kharkiv direction. Well, our "turntables" helped a lot - the tanks set them on fire ... Interestingly, they had a crew of 2 people, cadets. They also probed ... then they hit. The result is known.

[Bingo]

Hmmm, it seems that in the academies of the General Staff they don’t teach now that they always hit the attacking enemy on the flank, and they are in no hurry to strengthen the flanks

[Lemur2023]

Quote from Bingo

Hmmm, it seems that in the academies of the General Staff they don’t teach now that they always hit the attacking enemy on the flank, and they are in no hurry to strengthen the flanks

Or maybe specifically to substitute Wagner. After all, they kept Kherson until they received the command to retreat

[Peter1First]

Kherson - there, too, albeit slowly, but retreated under the onslaught of the enemy - the Armed Forces of Ukraine stubbornly won back pieces from our bridgehead on the right bank. If the current counter-offensive goes at the Kherson pace, by the fall we will roll back for digging, and if the Kharkiv one, then they will generally be kicked out of the border for 91 years. Like it or not, but our warriors are missing something ....

[Babermetis]

Quote from Lemur2023

Quote from Bingo

Hmmm, it seems that in the academies of the General Staff they don’t teach now that they always hit the attacking enemy on the flank, and they are in no hurry to strengthen the flanks

Or maybe specifically to substitute Wagner. After all, they kept Kherson until they received the command to retreat

Yes, sure. After all, PMCs are prohibited by Russian law.
This means that anyone who enters it is socially dangerous as a citizen who breaks the law in advance and deliberately!

And what about lawlessness? Change the law or apply sanctions, or punish?

There is a malicious purge of people.

[Seal]

According to the latest information, these are units of the 4th separate motorized rifle brigade and the 374th OMSB. They were forced to leave their strongholds to the north-west of the key defensive center in this direction - the aforementioned Kleshcheevka.

Oh, how did they "force" them? And who forced - x o x l s !!!
And we were preparing our army for confrontation with the troops of the NATO bloc !!!
The command of this separate motorized rifle brigade and the 374th OMSB is under the tribunal. And if they prove in the tribunal that they were set up by the higher command, then this higher command is also under the tribunal.
What are they paid "combat" for ???

[AVESSALOM]

"Forced" can be interpreted as "out of need".)) They crap, that's it ...

[tralflot1832]

This says that the Armed Forces of Ukraine really hold huge forces near Artyomovsk. That the Armed Forces of Ukraine that we understand the importance of Artyomovsk. And there is no need to say that Artyomovsk has no strategic importance, Prigogine Evgeny Viktorovich never voices the plans of his headquarters, he has the wrong men at headquarters, to talk about plans. Dezu please. If Wagner had been so bad, Evgeny Viktorovich would not have been flying around Russia for days and at the same time being in Artyomovsk. Wagner. When the enemy is starved for shells, the enemy’s artillery is taken out first. I served a term at the division headquarters in the GSVG, I’m a little familiar with the two plans of our division, so I love cards, but not playing ones.

[shm_kv]

As for the strategic importance, I don’t know (I’m not sure), but if you believe Prigozhin that the Armed Forces of Ukraine lose up to 500 bodies there every day, then this, to put it mildly, creates problems for their offensive in other directions.

[shm_kv]

Unfortunately, not all positions were returned. And the worst thing is that the road to Chasov Yar again became open to the Armed Forces of Ukraine.

[Kronos]

Actually, the battle for Artemovsk is already more and more like the battle for Marinka, which has almost been taken many times, but never could.

[donavi49]

Here is a fresh official map (it is made by Simonov / Bruce - who is the Muzikants military correspondent). +/-, the same as mine in circles above, but in more detail. From the additional, it is indicated that the wood along the river also begins to repaint.

So far, nothing critical, but again, probing in 3 areas. 2 of which facilitate supply.

[Ivan Ivanov]

Those who left their positions - for an internship with the Wagners, and it is better to disband this part of the brigade, scattering the fighters among more persistent units

[Graz]

for good, disband both units, scatter people to other units, demotion to officers

[Igor_Sergeevich]

4 Omsbr, as I understand it, from the Lugansk corps. And what kind of resilience do they lack? 374 omsb, apparently newly formed from mobilized ones, is more difficult here. But to put omsb without artillery on a responsible site is still a wise decision. Maybe something was assigned to support, but these means must be able to manage during the battle. Therefore, the fog of war does not allow us to draw conclusions. And the result of the battle is deplorable.

[Giuseppe_Cagliostro]

Of course, Wagner was supposed to cover them with artillery, but that's just the point ... they don't give them shells and ammunition, they themselves are in short supply.
At this pace, I am waiting for a successful operation of the Ministry of Defense, with awards and promotions, to destroy my troops in Bakhmut - Stalingrad.

[kventinasd]

To date, there are encouraging reports that the fighters of the Wagner PMC, having advanced towards the oporniks lost by other units, have recaptured the previously lost positions.

I am more than sure that if Wagner had stood in the Kharkov direction, then there would have been no shameful regroupings from them. The cardboard general apparently does not draw any conclusions.

[Peter1First]

So Wagner helped stop the Kharkov "regrouping" - otherwise the Armed Forces of Ukraine would have reached Luhansk ...

[Petr_Koldunov]

Something very familiar. September. Ours take a telephone booth or occupy a corner of the house in a day - and this is considered a good pace ... The Chewbaks hit once - and won back more than 2 km. But we were told that the landing force was covering Wagner from the flanks. And what will happen next?
I feel a little uneasy about our rear defense, which is so touted: all the rear defense lines, which consist of simple motorized riflemen - will they even defend themselves? Or will they leave right away?

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

These "mortgage soldiers" would try to leave their positions, under Stalin ... I believe that not all of our soldiers are "mortgage".

[lambert]

Quote: private person

This is what surprises me so much...

And why be surprised even if Rogozin said that the enemy is stronger than us and we need a new mobilization. And where are our 300 thousand. mobikov? Is it really that the second army of the world has ended, and 22 has taken its place?

Well, first of all, count yourself, 160 were mobilized at the beginning of 300, how many happened.
What a wave of mobilization in Ukraine and the number of ground units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, slipped a million.
Conclusion don't ask stupid questions. Ideally it should be the other way around. Then ask. And then forever, what, where, when. Generals are bad, Wagner is good. Here Prigozhin broadcasts from almost every iron - where, where and when. And everyone has joy - and no one thinks one is not a warrior in the field.

[Uncle_Misha]

All right. Of those mobilized in the first line units, hardly a third went. The rest were equipped with artillery, tank, anti-aircraft units, without them, too, nowhere. For such a length, this is really not enough. react to such coercion?. Those who write about the shameful surrender of positions are calling for the commanders to be demoted, do they not want to try on military uniforms?

[Stinging Nettle]

Especially given the lack of war (once again recently confirmed by Peskov).

[Uncle_Misha]

The vaguely formulated tasks of the NMD do not add enthusiasm to the fighters either, few of them can clearly say how a Nazi differs from a fascist, and these two from a nationalist. But this is all poetry, the current state of our army is not surprising to me, it is the result of a disregard for her. The indignation and bewilderment of many commentators is also understandable, on paper we are the second, and so we want to believe it, but reality and expectations do not always coincide, unfortunately.

[AVESSALOM]

They messed it up. And there really isn’t an offensive yet, it’s only reconnaissance in force. And the result is good: what was taken for months by the forelocks was taken in a day! What will happen if, God forbid, they hit for real?

[IgorZ]

Quote: Peter_Koldunov

I feel a little uneasy about our rear defense, which is so touted: all the rear defense lines, which consist of simple motorized riflemen - will they even defend themselves? Or will they just leave

The defense is held by fire. Artillery, anti-tank systems, and not at all a soldier with a Kalashnikov and an RPG. From the front line to the sea 100 km, 3 hours of the tank if it is not stopped. So you are right not on your own. There will be nowhere to run. To Crimea? This will be an epic retreat much cooler than Kharkov.

[wladimirjankov]

If our units left their positions, then they were forced to do so. So they had neither the support of artillery, nor aviation, nor their own reserves. With one rifleman, they seemed to be sitting in the trenches. If a small group of Nazis with three tanks forced them to flee. They probably didn’t even have ATGMs or mortars. If they had at least this, the Bandera people could be stopped and their tanks set on fire. The command of those who allowed this surrender of positions must be mercilessly judged, demoted, demoted and sent to the front line to be retrained and change their attitude to the service.

[mitlantecutli_zen]

Deberían sentir vergüenza esas unidades que abandonaron sus posiciones. Espero que sean capaces de redimirse.

[Giuseppe_Cagliostro]

Thank God!

Proverbs in the spirit of the times:

- Rely on MO, but don't make a mistake yourself.

- Whoever hopes for MO will be left without everything.

- On MO hope - to sit without clothes.

- They said in two in the MO.

- That MO is not needed, who is friendly with Wagner.

- To whom MO - to whom nobody.

[Eduard_Adolfovich]

In addition to the Musicians, the rest of them came on a business trip, and not to war. It is necessary to select hard, and not just anyone

[Stinging Nettle]

You must be put in front of everyone, with small arms.

[nikanikolich]

Well done guys, God bless them!

[Yarr_Arr]

I don't know what the issue is....
"Wagner" is not MO.
But a COMMERCIAL organization.
They BUY b/p in regular modes or what????
This option is not described. And is it because of commerce fuss?

Maybe someone in the know can chime in?

[BorzRio]

I won’t be surprised if the Moscow Region accuses the Wagnerites of repulsing the positions abandoned by the military ... They say it’s not according to plan

[vvn_vl]

thanks to them... isn't it time for Wagner to get his own mouthpiece and speak after the rusty general mouthpiece??

[Vashek]

The country is accustomed to lies, so any calls for a people's war, and even in the mouth of Kinder Surprise, do not reach people, even if they contain some truth. So the army is simply unmotivated, everyone has one year. Hence the fear of this bad counteroffensive. They've been lying for too long.

[arnulla]

The modern Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is an integral part of modern Russian society. With monstrous unprofessionalism, with monstrous corruption, with appointments on the principle of not professionalism, but convenience and necessity to higher authorities. To say and do what is convenient, God forbid, not upset, well, lick often and deeper).
The war simply made all these facts known to our citizens more vivid and clearer. But the authorities, apparently, are happy with everything.
Therefore, there is no need to wait for any cardinal changes, they will not happen ...