ethnic genocide. How Russian Janissaries were created

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ethnic genocide. How Russian Janissaries were created
An artilleryman of the armed forces of Ukraine prepares for firing American 105-mm rounds for the M119 towed howitzer

In Ukraine, Russian people were forcibly assimilated into "Ukrainians", who were forced to renounce their personal roots, ancestors, their stories, language and culture, own shrines, heroes and faith.

ethnic chimera


Yes, the revolution and the fall of the Russian Empire did not exist any "Ukrainians" (Who are Ukrainians and where did Ukraine come from). There were Russian people whose ancestors lived on the Dnieper and Dniester from ancient times. Russ-Little Russians, the southern part of the Russian superethnos. With their cultural, linguistic, everyday (material) features. Like Russian Pomors or Siberians.



The USSR made a huge mistake when they implemented the plans of the internationalist-Trotskyists and nationalist separatists, creating an “independent” Ukrainian SSR and recording tens of millions of Russian people as “Ukrainians”. When, in the course of Ukrainization, the “Ukrainian language” invented by the Austrian authorities (based on the Russian-Polish slang-Surzhik) was imposed on millions of Russians, including ethnographic groups of the Russian superethnos like the Rusyns. Although in Little Russia at that moment several variants of the South Russian dialect were spoken, and classical Russian prevailed in the cities.

Under Stalin, Ukrainization was de facto curtailed, but, unfortunately, Russianness was not returned to the “Ukrainian people”. The Nazis played the nationalist card, including the Ukrainian Nazi Bandera, which led to a lot of bloodshed. They were able to crush the evil spirits, knock them out of the border and drive them into deep underground. But the roots remain.

During the Khrushchev era, Bandera received an amnesty, while others came out of the deep underground. They "repainted" as communists, Komsomol members and gradually began subversive work. Already in the late USSR in the west of Ukraine, as, indeed, in the Baltic states, Russians were hated and despised at the household level. Although, through the efforts of Moscow, the Ukrainian SSR has become an advanced scientific, technical, cultural, educational and economic center of the USSR and the whole world. Thieves-oligarchs, embezzlers-officials, gangsters and the Nazis who pulled themselves up behind them, who seized power in 1991, were able to flush all the works of many generations of Russian (Soviet) people down the toilet in just a generation.

Russian ethnocide


From 1991 to the present day in Ukraine there was an ethnic genocide, cultural, educational, linguistic and socio-economic destruction of the Russian people, all "Russian-speaking" (Soviet Ukrainians, who, in fact, still remained Russian), Russianness in general - history, culture, language, symbols, monuments, shrines, etc. This is how Ivans appeared, who do not remember their relatives, Russian Janissaries - people whose all ancestors were Russian people, but brought up within the framework of the Ukrainian ethnic chimera, the confusion-illusion. Fiercely hating everything Russian, as a memory of the truth.

In the fantasy world of the famous writer Tolkien, there is a similar image: dark forces captured elves, mutilated, tortured them and turned them into minions of darkness - orcs. They have lost their light essence, they have become instruments of darkness.

How did this happen?

Consistently, methodically, stage by stage. Soviet Ukrainians were not enemies of the Russians, they were still one people. In essence, as before, Russians-Great Russians and Russians-Little Russians. However, at this stage, "Ukrainian history" was created, due to the circumcision of the all-Russian history. The Ukrainian language developed, which was artificially separated from Russian.

Since 1991, nothing has held back Ukrainization. Agitation, propaganda became aggressive, captured the media, the education system. Children were taught that they were “Ukrainians”, residents of “Great Ukraine”, that all evil was from “Muscovites”. That the future belongs to Europe and the USA. The old Soviet generations, brought up on the principles of friendship between peoples, grew old and died. They were also helped by organizing a uniform socio-economic, cultural and linguistic genocide in the former Ukrainian SSR. When from almost 50 million inhabitants of Soviet Ukraine, according to various estimates, from 15 to 20 million people died out. At the same time, the Russian Federation also “fed” this anti-people regime.

The development of the media, the Internet, aggressive and powerful propaganda, the complete Ukrainization of the education system (from kindergartens to higher education) led to the fact that new generations were “Ukrainized”, although the Russian language still prevailed in everyday life.

As a result, the real heroes of the Ukrainian SSR - Sidor Kovpak, Pyotr Vershigora, Alexei Fedorov, Timofey Strokach, became enemies of the new independent Ukraine, where the executioners and Nazis Bandera and Shukhevych were turned into national heroes.

Thus, through ethnocide, when history was rewritten, national and cultural monuments and shrines were destroyed and destroyed, the native language was banned, the Orthodox faith became persecuted, and all this, in the conditions of military-political (since 2014) and socio-economic pressure, led to what we see now. Bloody massacre. A new era Ruins, when the ancient Russian lands are turned into a battlefield and filled with blood.

Russians and Russian-speakers (Soviet Ukrainians) were forcibly recoded, assimilated into "Ukrainians". Russian people were forced to renounce their roots, origins, grandparents, their history, language, culture, their blood, shrines and faith. Crimea was able to resist, it was accepted into the Russian Federation. The Russian Donbass, the heart of the Russian world, has risen and bleeds.

Thus, the collective West and its Ukrainian lackeys, thieves-gauleiters and robber oligarchs created Russian Janissaries - Russian by origin, but who hate Russians and everything Russian. Long years of information processing, pumping with hatred, created an army capable of successfully fighting with another Russian army. And now they were thrown into fratricidal slaughter.

The masters of the West solve three main tasks:

1) bleed, weaken Russian civilization and the superethnos of Rus, finish off the southern cultural and historical community of Rus-Little Russians;

2) deal a serious blow to the core of the Russian world, the Russian super-ethnos, in order to cause disintegration, unrest and solve the “Russian question” forever;

3) erase the Russians from history, seize our lands and wealth.


What to do?

Destroy the enemy by military means.

Liberate all historically Russian lands.

Discard outright Nazis abroad, bring prisoners to trial for war crimes.

By any means to destroy the leaders, senior officials, Gauleiters, traitor oligarchs.

To systematically and consistently Russify the historical New Russia and Little Russia, as well as Galician and Carpathian Rus.
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  1. +7
    5 May 2023 05: 24
    By any means to destroy the leaders, senior officials, Gauleiters, traitor oligarchs.
    First things first, and then...
    1. 0
      17 June 2023 00: 09
      John. Are they catching? As soon as they catch him, they impale Yakin on a stake. This is the first thing...
      Bulgakov M. "Ivan Vasilyevich is changing his profession"
  2. +5
    5 May 2023 06: 06
    This is understandable, but you should not hide your head in the sand, the officers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, as war criminals, must be destroyed, they are obvious carriers of a hostile ideology. A total check for work in schools for, again, the ideology of Ukrainianism and the ban on such work for those who have at least once been noticed in something. It is archi important that children are the most receptive; there can be no indulgence here.
    Frank Nazis and nationalists cannot be driven out of the country, but destroyed as carriers of hostile views (there can be no place for pity)
    1. 0
      9 May 2023 13: 22
      saigon (victor). May 5, 2023 06:06 am. NEW - "... This is understandable, just don't hide your head in the sand, ...Total check for work in schools on the subject, again, of the ideology of Ukrainianism and the prohibition of such work to those who have at least once been noticed in something. This is archi importantChildren are the most receptive here there can be no indulgences...Frank Nazis and nationalists cannot be driven abroad, but destroyed as carriers of hostile views (there can be no place for pity here)..."

      You're right. how much you can "step" on the same rake. fool .."Work" is needed not only on the lands of Little Russia and Novorossia .. And not only in reorganization .. but maximizing moral and psychological PREVENTION to the level of the subconscious( an example is CLEARLY NOT an error with the division of the Russian ethnic group. and then the statehood of these "CUTTINGS" laid the FOUNDATION for THEIR use against their basis and mother part - Russia. The most "successful" opvt O.kraina.)
      Political games in order to use the "interests of the MOMENT" - Khrushchev - the release and rehabilitation of policemen and other ethno-Nazi formations of the Soviet republics - an example of the same O. Kraina and others. am They and their children went to power. Who was Kravchuk for example during the Second World War bully , Results of ERRORS and so-called. Khrushchev's "Thaw" are returning in torrents of blood. am
      Lack of work on the foundation of Russia and Russians - in Russian No. . As for Caught against his will in the CARDONNIES. The result - they received O. Krainsky "Russians" from the face to the language of OWN. but the brains of an evil hyena. am Where are the Slavs of East Germany and Europe. how did the Slavs-Poles become the most vicious dogs of Russia's ENEMIES?
      What is now in the Russian Federation. В what is the position of the native Russians, incl. Russians. for example, on the issue of the so-called. "GUEST". feel SPONSORS and main budget holders. And those "GUESTS" without false modesty "graze" on the mother's capital. benefits. pensions. benefits for diasporas. How "guests" respond to "tolerant kindness". See MFB and FSB reports. we quote, for example, Bystrikin. bully War. also SVO. "pleasure" is expensive. Why are freeloaders especially NOW needed to show their "love" for the Russian Federation and its indigenous peoples in the form of more familiar actions for Bandera and Basmachi (murder, robbery, rape and HATE in the process of ACTION). see for example "Tsar-grad". And then the language - "ne know" and "raufik. ne - guilty! Sorry. brother!" And they forgive. Who calculated the consequences of this relationship to the indigenous? Probably only THE ANGLO_SAXS AGAIN, bully At least - remember the results the created Czechoslovak corps in the Republic of Ingushetia and its consequences for RUSSIA.
      In a simplified "ignore" the ISIS and from the contingent of "guests" and create a variant of the "foreign legion" (which already has money in the Russian Federation. penetrated into power at least through corruption. quietly HATES indigenous people. Wants MONEY and "WILL" for EVERYTHING !!! Not true. REMINDERS from the USSR. But only in the Russian Federation bully am
      Incl. I repeat - You're right. how much you can "step" on the same rake. fool This time the "partners" will strive to FINISH by any means am ( They have only ONE way out to us. No matter how pathetic - "Victory or DEATH")and what God forbid. the "more modest" THEY ("partners") will be. The more HORRIBLE to expect. hi
  3. +18
    5 May 2023 06: 10
    . The USSR made a huge mistakewhen they implemented the plans of the internationalist Trotskyists and nationalist separatists, creating an "independent" Ukrainian SSR

    Nobody takes into account the requirements of the moment of that time? Yes, it was a forced and logical step after the formation of the UNR.

    And yes, when the UNR arose, there was no USSR yet! Who are you going to blame now? The USSR is to blame for them! Yes, the USSR just defeated Bandera twice. The second time after WWII. Bandera was slapped... And now Bandera number 2 of Zelensky cannot be slapped! What's stopping you? Also communists?
    1. +10
      5 May 2023 07: 34
      And yes, when the UNR arose, there was no USSR yet!
      And when the Ukrainian SSR was formed, but it was formed on March 10, 1919, the same as the USSR, did not exist yet. The USSR was founded in December 1922.
      What's stopping you? Also communists?
      Nah, Trotskyist internationalists laughing
    2. -14
      5 May 2023 08: 37
      There was no USSR, but the Bolshevik commies "God's chosen ones" who created "Ukraine", the same ones were still ...
    3. +2
      5 May 2023 18: 09
      Quote: Stas157
      And yes, when the UNR arose, there was no USSR yet!

      But it was in it that the policy of Ukrainization was carried out.
  4. +7
    5 May 2023 06: 28
    oh, we, the superethnos of couch dreamers, have not yet repulsed the counteroffensive of the Ukrainians - but already in dreams "of the Russian world" ...
    ps if the United States (like Khokh.lam) offered us to "pan like in Europe", what do you think, would many people fall for these fairy tales?
    1. 0
      9 May 2023 13: 53
      [i]Vladimir80 (Vladimir80).5 May 2023 06:28. NEW -
      1. yours - "... oh, we, the superethnos of couch dreamers, have not yet repulsed the counteroffensive of the Ukrainians - but already in dreams" of the Russian world "..."[/ i]

      Reminds - "... we plowed - Me and the tractor...". "...we all wanted sausage..." и etc. full LIBERDOS...Alone "in your "Dreamers" on the NWO . others "work". so that IT would be PROVIDED and come true...Yes. there is someone shitting under your feet. These are the third. Who in which group chooses HIMSELF!.
      By the way, to increase knowledge - the old truth - "Have a dream? Run to it. Can't do it? Go to it. Can't? Crawl to it. No strength? Lie down and lie in the direction of the dream.."
      Easier - "Dreaming is not HARMFUL. It is harmful NOT to DREAM!"
      No need to hang Noodles of despondency on the people. crying
      Trifle. rather nice good
      - THE USSR. for all "-". the first state of labor.
      - Only thanks to the USSR, Victory in the Second World War was achieved. And if you count how many times we - Russia reached in response to Paris. Berlin!?
      - Our first cosmonaut. the first PEACEFUL atom - from a nuclear power plant to an icebreaker. and the space program of the USSR.
      And the current "having no analogues" of the Russian Federation from where - from the USSR. and there are a LOT of useful dreams in the archives. which were not implemented then or there was no necessary element base, or Gorby came and "democratized" everything in favor of the United States ...

      2.your - "... if the United States (like Khokh. Lam) offered us to" pan like in Europe "what do you think, would many people fall for these fairy tales? .."

      The same LIBERDOS. left side view only. The bandit is always JUSTIFIED by that. that AROUND the same bastard. like OH. And everyone is SO....
      Enough. especially NOW in the CUSTOMER society....But. yet "... Everyone chooses for himself - a woman. Religion is the road ... whether to serve the devil or God. Everyone chooses for himself ..."... An example for you. also - SVO ...
  5. +4
    5 May 2023 06: 42
    It's even scary to imagine where so many teachers in the new territories can be recruited. And how to protect them.
    1. +9
      5 May 2023 07: 03
      Quote from Kuziming
      It’s even scary to imagine where so many teachers in the new territories can be recruited

      And how did the communists do it in the new territories at the beginning of the formation of the USSR? Through the locals.

      Local cells of the RCP(b) were organized. It was the backbone of the new local government. Everything revolved around it. But then the Bolsheviks had a positive agenda and idea. They had something to bring. Will the current representatives of the ruling United Russia be able to do something similar - to restore their correct order?
      1. 0
        5 May 2023 11: 56
        Local teachers themselves must first be retrained, according to the Russian program.
    2. +3
      5 May 2023 11: 25
      I am watching a video about the restoration of Mariupol. They built a new school, well, sweetie. The headmaster talks about work and problems. The staff of teachers is half staffed. People are afraid to go to work, they are waiting
    3. 0
      5 May 2023 11: 54
      Especially when you consider that even in the near Moscow suburbs, not all vacancies for history teachers are filled. Teachers prefer to work in the capital.
      1. 0
        5 May 2023 12: 36
        I don’t know how it is in the capital, but in the Kuban, a teacher can get a job at a minimum salary in some kind of house of creativity .. This is in the village, the rates are busy
  6. 0
    5 May 2023 06: 58
    for seventy years, that after the death of Stalin, from the former Russians in that part of the outskirts, it was possible to create even the worst breed, they say, brothers. Although these results of "creation" and changes in the genes of "brothers" are impressive! Seventy years from Khrushchev's power on that outskirts, there
    ruled by nationalists, whom they themselves and or their relatives did not trust because of ardent nationalism, even the occupation authorities of the Kaiser and Hitler. And Khrushchev released them from prisons, thereby renewing the path of Soviet Ukrainians for the offspring of those released former Bandera. Get into power first as sergeants in the army, then as Komsomol organizers and party organizers in institutes and factories. And over all this, with the coming to power of Brezhnev, the Andropov KGB slept soundly. And the role, in the youth of the former supplier of Bandera Kravchuk, in the collapse of the USSR is not yet clear. We all piled on the drunkard Yeltsin, but the sober Kravchuk had long nurtured this in his head.
    The West is already rubbing its hands, saying that Russians are killing Russian brothers in Ukraine. Moreover, they blame the Russians of Russia, not bothering to understand that those who made Ukraine from the outskirts, having torn it off from Russia, it is possible to achieve the collapse of Russia itself, those in seventy years have already brought out the breed of "non-brothers" from the brothers, just for this task.
    In Solovyov's TV show the other day, Shakhnazarov asked himself the question - what attractive and seductive Russia can offer these Ukrainians if Russia meets Victory in the NWO in Kyiv.
    Here again, this Shakhnazarov "gives away" Khrushchev, only to appease the current Bandera, maybe now we will give them the Kuban, and not the Crimea, like Khrushchev ...? And why not pick and pick to rebuild what they destroyed and plundered themselves over the past 35 years?
    Firstly, Russia is now regaining its lands, the borders of which were thrown back by the Yeltsin-Kravchuk gang 400 years ago. Secondly, this is the same "patriot of Russia" Shakhnazarov, who, when discussing amendments to the Constitution, foamed at the mouth, that the words should not be in the Constitution, that in Russia the Russian people are a state-forming nation ...
  7. +18
    5 May 2023 07: 54
    As a result, the real heroes of the Ukrainian SSR - Sidor Kovpak, Pyotr Vershigora, Alexei Fedorov, Timofey Strokach, became enemies of the new independent Ukraine, where the executioners and Nazis Bandera and Shukhevych were turned into national heroes.
    And in the Russian Federation, A. Denikin, Krasnov, Wrangel, Kolchak, who, not without help, those who are helping Ukraine today, fought against the young Soviet Republic, became heroes of the Russian Federation. Mannerheim, Ilyin, Shmelev, Solzhenitsyn became national heroes of the Russian Federation. , helped the same ones that helped Kolchak, Denikin ...
  8. +11
    5 May 2023 08: 31
    The author blames everything on the collective West, the Bolshevik-Communists, and Ukrainian toadies... This is all understandable. But maybe you should look in the mirror. And there you can also see Vitya Medvedchuk, who from the 90s was engaged in the rehabilitation and praise of the UPA, who created "Ukraine is not Russia", and now he is warming his belly in Sochi; and curators in the DPR, DPR from the age of 14 (any Malomal official in the DPR and LPR had a curator from Moscow). This is what these curators have done there for 8 years, that the south and east of Ukraine began to fight with us and fight hard?
    1. +6
      5 May 2023 08: 41
      But maybe you should look in the mirror.
      We have a "kingdom of crooked mirrors", there is no where to look, in which one you do not look, everything is a crooked mirror. And what did you want? We don’t do our own, it’s a solid import. laughing
    2. 0
      8 May 2023 16: 33
      "Ukraine is not Russia" was created for Kuchma, but that's not the point ...
      The culprits must be found and punished.
      In addition to the Bandera biomass and their Western masters, there are also unnamed people from various organizations, and from Russia
      It was they who were supposed not only to monitor the situation in the non-state for all 30 years, but also to analyze the existing and probable risks in the development of events.
      Act proactively.
      Moreover, there was someone to rely on in Ukraine.
      Everything that is happening now is the result of the stupidity or sabotage of precisely these analysts and experts.
      Even now, some Russian LOMs, quite sanely covering events at the front, when trying to portray an understanding of the "secrets of the Bandera soul", are blatant nonsense.
      Even things that are obvious to a resident of Ukraine, and even ordinary Russians, are interpreted completely incorrectly by idiots from the information Olympus
  9. +9
    5 May 2023 08: 46
    Quote: parusnik
    And in the Russian Federation, A. Denikin, Krasnov, Wrangel, Kolchak were made heroes,


    Did not do. They tried to make it official propaganda, but for the vast majority, these individuals did not become heroes.

    As one of my acquaintances rightly noted: "Jokes are still told about Chapai, but not a single one about Denikin. Chapai and Petka are ours, but Denikin-Kolchaks are not, strangers."

    In my city there is a monument to Kolchak, but he is not very popular with the townspeople. Not everyone knows where he is, not everyone will find him. And at the monument to Lenin (on the street of the same name, in the center of the city) there are flowers and the newlyweds are photographed.
    1. +1
      5 May 2023 10: 19
      Tried to make official propaganda
      Yes, but there is a nuance, they were made heroes out of them, until a certain point, until someone pointed out flaws during the NWO period, guys, what happens? Zelensky is helped by those who helped, Denikin, Kolchak and others, for whom you propagate and op ... already silence ...
      1. +1
        5 May 2023 10: 26
        Quote: parusnik
        Yes, but there is a nuance, they were made heroes out of them, until a certain point, until someone pointed out flaws during the NWO period, guys, what happens? Zelensky is helped by those who helped, Denikin, Kolchak and others, for whom you propagandize and op ... already silence ..

        Well, stupidity, rare. I must say this.
    2. -2
      5 May 2023 11: 32
      Quote: Illanatol
      In my city there is a monument to Kolchak, but he is not very popular with the townspeople. Not everyone knows where he is, not everyone will find

      I was interested, apparently in Chelyabinsk, next to the railway station, what to look for - the city center, the more lively station square. With what I agree - zero attention from local residents and guests of the city.
      Quote: Illanatol
      Did not do. Tried to make official propaganda

      No one made heroes out of Denikin, Kolchak, especially the official propaganda you mentioned.
      The fact is that during the period of decay of developed socialism in our country, with the aim of, so to speak, more energetic decay, the communists themselves (!) Reanimated the theme of the White Guards and the sweet life under the tsar. All this was expressed in the famous White Guard chants (concerts, records, TV), films, where former opponents were also shown with sympathy, etc., favorably treated the royal power ...... bagels-sweets in Russia are intoxicating and so on.
      The Soviet people were fooled by the Soviet government itself, they, of course, were not explained to the people that the communists themselves (!), It was necessary to "bring down" the Soviet government itself (!) Such Marxism-Leninism turned out.
      After 1991, the new government, interest in the whites and the tsar evaporated, the citizens, mutilated by the new reforms, also did not care about Denikin and the white chants.
      1. +2
        5 May 2023 13: 12
        the communists themselves (!) reanimated the topic

        What kind of specific communists? Or so, in general, so to speak?
        After 1991, the new government, interest in the whites and the tsar evaporated ... citizens, mutilated by the new reforms, also did not care ...

        Therefore, in the country there is a lot and a small cart of organizations of a monarchist persuasion, from "amusing" to radical ones, a restored Nobility Assembly, etc. and so on.?
        1. +2
          5 May 2023 13: 37
          in the country there is a cart and a small cart of organizations of a monarchist persuasion, from "amusing" to radical ones, the restored Assembly of the Nobility

          these are all "mummers", do not worry too much, there are not many of them left - soon they will be replaced by fans haripothera, fans game of thrones and other nonsense...
          1. +1
            5 May 2023 14: 39
            there are not many of them left - soon they will be replaced by fans

            It just seems that way. Firstly, these "few" have their children growing up in the same way. Secondly, the "newmonarchists" are closely intertwined with a) nationalists b) churchmen. Where will they always receive "personnel" replenishment.
        2. -3
          5 May 2023 13: 42
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          What kind of specific communists?

          It is known what, perestroika, labeled, communist Trotskyists.
          Quote: A vile skeptic
          the communists themselves (!) reanimated the topic

          What kind of specific communists? Or so, in general, so to speak?
          After 1991, the new government, interest in the whites and the tsar evaporated ... citizens, mutilated by the new reforms, also did not care ...

          Therefore, in the country there is a lot and a small cart of organizations of a monarchist persuasion, from "amusing" to radical ones, a restored Nobility Assembly, etc. and so on.?

          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          Therefore, in the country, things and a small cart of organizations of a monarchist persuasion

          Do not make me laugh.
          1. 0
            5 May 2023 14: 40
            It is known what, perestroika, labeled

            1) They revived the "white idea"? 2) Are they communists?
            Do not make me laugh.

            And I didn't think. It's not funny.
    3. -2
      18 June 2023 13: 24
      Anecdote is a dying genre. It is mostly spoken by people 50+. And the jokes themselves, for the most part, are a retelling of jokes from a third century ago
      Accordingly, they don’t tell jokes about Kolchak and Denikin, since they didn’t exist a third of a century ago.
  10. +3
    5 May 2023 08: 47
    Soviet Ukrainians were not enemies of the Russians, they were still one people.
    Here I do not agree with the author, by 1991 the vast majority of Ukrainians (age 19-21) were already separatist-minded towards the USSR, and hostile towards not only Russians, but also Belarusians. He served in the military in 1991-1993, 90% of the crew were from Ukraine, so I know what I'm writing about. hi
    1. +5
      5 May 2023 08: 59
      You will not believe it, but by 1991 the vast majority of the inhabitants of the same city of Vladimir were separatist in relation to the city of Moscow.
      1. +5
        5 May 2023 10: 23
        by 1991, the vast majority of the inhabitants of the same city of Vladimir were separatist in relation to the city of Moscow.
        This applied to many regions, in particular, in our Krasnodar Territory, but do you remember how they tried to create the Ural Republic?
        1. +4
          5 May 2023 10: 31
          I also remember about the "Ural Republic". And the example of Mr. Vladimir was given because. it will be closer to Moscow.
    2. +2
      5 May 2023 19: 39
      by 1991, the vast majority of Ukrainians (ages 19-21) were already separatist-minded towards the USSR
      Is quite real. I will say more, when I was in my first year, in 1972, a Ukrainian fellow student from Sumy seriously argued that the Ukrainian SSR would survive well without the rest of the Union. He expressed this then from his young stupidity (17 years old), but the idea was already then. In general, he was quite adequate, now retired in Korolev, he survived the collapse of the Union hard.
    3. -1
      6 May 2023 21: 35
      ... in 1991, the vast majority of Ukrainians (age 19 - 21 years old) were already separatist in relation to the USSR

      Probably so. I believe. Moreover, 90% are Ukrainians, i.e. too much specific gravity. Yes, they still served (ended up) in an already collapsed country. However, since about 88, there has been propaganda in Ukraine that Moscow takes too much, but gives little, i.e. rob Ukrainians. And if Ukraine were independent, it would flourish no worse than France. I served in the early 70s and none of this happened. At the same time, the Belarusians, Russians, Ukrainians were "their own" among themselves, and the rest were not quite their own. Some are "chocks", and some were respected regardless of nationality.
  11. +4
    5 May 2023 08: 49
    In the USSR, they made a huge mistake when they implemented the plans of the internationalist Trotskyists and nationalist separatists, creating an “independent” Ukrainian SSR

    В июне 1917
    1 Universal of the Central Rada proclaimed the autonomy of Ukraine. In January 1918, the 4th Universal of the Central Rada proclaimed the independence of the Ukrainian People's Republic. March 10, 1919
    The Third All-Ukrainian Congress of Soviets proclaimed the creation of the Ukrainian SSR. Question: where does the USSR?
    1. -2
      5 May 2023 10: 04
      Stalin in 1936, when writing the new Constitution, could well liquidate all these "SSRs". Nobody would have peeped.
  12. +8
    5 May 2023 09: 48
    The so-called imperialists, having pissed themselves off in all directions, now again take out the old button accordion about the guilt of the USSR. This rotten propaganda says only one thing - there has been an increase in sympathy for the USSR in society.
    1. -1
      5 May 2023 12: 11
      Quote: Evil_minusator
      The so-called imperialists, having pissed themselves off in all directions, now again take out the old button accordion about the guilt of the USSR. This rotten propaganda says only one thing - there has been an increase in sympathy for the USSR in society.

      Well, who else created the sovereign Ukrainian state, which became part of the USSR?
      Who, in order to create a separate Ukrainian history and substantiate Ukrainization, invited Hrushevsky from Austria - for a moment, the Chairman of the Ukrainian Central Rada of the UNR, who fought against the Bolsheviks in 1917-1918? And not just invited - Grushevsky became a professor of history at Kiev State University, an academician of the All-Ukrainian Academy of Sciences, head of the historical and philological department, a full member of the USSR Academy of Sciences.
      Who gave the Russian lands to the Ukrainian SSR, and then began forcible Ukrainization on them?

      In fact, the Bolsheviks 14 times (more precisely, 15 - but changed their minds once) repeated the black deed of Alexander the First, who from the Swedish provinces transferred "in bulk" blinded a "state within a state" - the Grand Duchy of Finland - along the way cutting off the territories of the Empire right up to the border of the capital .
      1. +1
        5 May 2023 13: 17
        "Well, who else created the sovereign Ukrainian state, which became part of the USSR?" - and further in the text

        It remains only to come up with a connection, and not a correlation, what does all of the above have to do with what is happening over the past 30 years in the territories of the former empire.
        1. 0
          5 May 2023 15: 53
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          It remains only to come up with a connection, and not a correlation, what does all of the above have to do with what is happening over the past 30 years in the territories of the former empire.

          So the connection is simple - Ukrainian statehood, which we are now seeing in all its glory, was nurtured by faithful Leninists. It was they who collected, generously endowed with lands and supported the Ukrainian sovereign socialist state for 70 years (namely, this was the status of the union republics according to the Constitution of the USSR), which lacked only one step to independence (also carefully spelled out in the Constitution of the USSR).
          1. 0
            5 May 2023 16: 31
            So the connection is simple...

            So what is written below is not related to what is happening now. After does not mean as a result. The acquisition of statehood does not mean a deterioration in relations up to open hostility. As well as its absence does not mean the absence of separatism up to the civil war.
            PS The statehood, for example, of the Finns, with this approach, is also "the brainchild of the faithful Leninists." I suppose in your paradigm this should also be the cause of the current SVO in Ukraine. winked Well, why not, the owl will be patient.
  13. +2
    5 May 2023 10: 21
    Another million-dollar explainer, the West says everything ...
    And what did the mentor of current politicians Boris share with the USSR, did not recognize the LDNR and the Russian spring of the KREMLIN, fed nationalists and Russian oligarchs, they are simply much richer than Ukrainian ones - no, no ...
  14. +7
    5 May 2023 11: 04
    Quote: Evil_minusator
    The so-called imperials
    These are the so-called. And for normal imperials, the USSR is also an empire. The difference between normal imperials and "non-imperials" is that normal imperials put the interests of the state (empire) in the first place, regardless of the nationality and religion of those who are in the service of the Empire and honestly serve it.
    And for non-Imperials, religious and national preferences come first.
    Over the past 20 years, I have been offered several times to join the Cossacks. But my entry never took place, because, in the opinion of those who now rule these mummers, a prerequisite for joining "Cossacks" is the presence of baptism according to the Orthodox rite. And I, as born in the USSR and having gone through all the stages from October to Komsomol member and even a candidate member of the CPSU, remained faithful to atheism, as if it were a sin. And I'm not going to change my beliefs.
    While in the Empire there were a decent number of both Muslims and Buddhists among the Cossacks. And it didn't bother anyone.
    1. 0
      5 May 2023 11: 37
      Well done ! Not everyone has principles and ideas.
    2. 0
      5 May 2023 12: 17
      Quote: Seal
      And I, as born in the USSR and having gone through all the stages from October to Komsomol member and even a candidate member of the CPSU, remained faithful to atheism, as if it were a sin. And I'm not going to change my beliefs.

      Ai-yay-yay, are you going against the general line of the party? wink

      November 25 [2011] on the Day of church holidays - St. John the Merciful and the Icon of the Mother of God "Merciful" Chairman of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation Gennady Zyuganov visited and kissed the shrine of the Orthodox world - the Belt of the Virgin, located in the Cathedral of Christ the Savior.
      By the grace of God and with the hard work of the Communists to revive Russia, together with all the people of our country, it will be possible to push back the slide of our Motherland into the abyss of crisis and lawlessness.
      © kprf.ru
      1. +3
        5 May 2023 13: 20
        Ai-yay-yay, are you going against the general line of the party?

        Sergey Petrovich in his message just mentioned
        these mummers

        What difference does it make who is "masked" - "Cossack" or "communist"
    3. +4
      5 May 2023 15: 25
      There is no quality as an organized force, and there cannot be. The Cossack is an estate that owes military service for the land transferred to it by the community.
  15. +5
    5 May 2023 11: 36
    Author ! And every year with plywood to close the mausoleum of V.I. Lenin, how is it? And as we celebrated the 100th anniversary of the formation of the USSR, this is how it was celebrated abroad. And as we celebrated the 100th anniversary of the October Revolution, many countries also celebrated abroad. So, there is nothing to look for in the "other's eye is a log" when they themselves have "a crooked face."
    1. +1
      5 May 2023 11: 43
      every year with plywood to close the mausoleum of V.I. Lenin, it's like

      what do you think will change if the mausoleum is not covered with plywood?

      there is nothing to look for in the "other's eye is a log" when they themselves have a "crooked face"

      I support this!
  16. +3
    5 May 2023 19: 34
    Another strange article by the author in the spirit of chauvinism (apparently in-demand products during the SVO) about Ukrainians "invented by the communists and grown in the laboratories of the USSR"! It's embarrassing, though...
  17. +3
    5 May 2023 22: 41
    It seems to be cleverly said, but partly - wild anti-historical and anti-scientific nonsense.

    For example:
    Yes, the revolution and the fall of the Russian Empire, there were no “Ukrainians” ...
    There were Russian people whose ancestors lived on the Dnieper and Dniester from ancient times. Russ-Little Russians, the southern part of the Russian superethnos. With their cultural, linguistic, everyday (material) features. Like Russian Pomors or Siberians.

    As for "yes, there was no revolution" - they existed, the author, even as they existed - under the commonly used ethnonym LITTLE RUSSIAN. Although some ethnographers and historians of the Russian Empire already then called Little Russians - and Ukrainians.

    And they were considered - INDEPENDENT PEOPLE. Related to the Great Russians - but independent.

    As for the statement that then, allegedly, "everyone was Russian" - for some reason everyone forgets or does not know one small but important nuance that in the Russian Empire "Russians" - they called all the East Slavic peoples of the Russian Empire. Great Russians, Belarusians and Little Russians.

    And today they also think so - we open the Russian geography textbook for the eighth grade, the section "Ethnic composition of Russia", and we read that there are Ukrainians in the Russian Federation.

    This point of view is also recognized by the state - we open any census of the population of the Russian Federation, we look at the national composition of Russia - and we see Ukrainians in the list of peoples.
    But the author, for some reason, followed the path of the Banderaites, who claimed that "there are no Russians" - and, like the Banderaites, began to assert that there were no longer Ukrainians.
    Article minus.

    Bandera, of course, evil. But it is just as evil to deny a person's right to national self-identification, his right to nationality. And in the case of Ukrainians - the right of tens of millions of people to a real nationality.
    Oh, the evil Bandera torn off the Ukrainians from the Russians?

    Well, I’ll remind the author that earlier, IN ALL THE BIG WARS, most of the Ukrainians who fought fought on the side of Russia.
    Why are we now at enmity with them - you need to ask the leadership of the Russian Federation, because of whose inaction this situation has developed.
    1. -1
      6 May 2023 10: 58
      Nobody disputes that they were. The only question is to what extent they were.
    2. 0
      6 May 2023 21: 51
      Why are we now at enmity with them - you need to ask the leadership of the Russian Federation, because of whose inaction this situation has developed.

      I was also interested in this question. However, initially, it was not Russia that became at enmity with Ukraine, but vice versa. And after Ukraine gathered in NATO, after the mass purchase of Ukrainian politicians by the United States, then Russia bared its teeth at Ukraine. And this question was interesting to me for a reason: did Ukraine really not understand the danger from Russia if Ukraine joined NATO? Probably, the United States gave too much money to such people as Yushchenko, Poroshenko, Yatsenyuk, that they did not even try to establish relations with the Russian-speaking regions, but decided to kill and fight, which Russia took advantage of.
  18. -1
    5 May 2023 23: 07
    And the natives of Austria-Hungary, the Greek Catholics of Bandera and Shukhevych, were also Little Russians? Or am I not understanding something?
    1. +2
      6 May 2023 07: 32
      It's okay, Katerina, that you don't understand something - ask, I'll explain.
      To begin with - about the "natives of Austria-Hungary." Let's clarify that nationality does not depend on citizenship. Nationality and citizenship are not related concepts.

      Next - "Greek Catholics". Nationality also does not depend on religion. A person can be a Buddhist and an Ethiopian at the same time, he can be a Japanese and a Christian, he can be Russian and even a Muslim at the same time - because nationality and faith are two different things.

      Well, what nationality were some scum, ask their biographers, I'm not interested.
      Moreover, nationality does not depend on the political preferences of a person, and on his moral and volitional qualities.
      1. 0
        6 May 2023 23: 22
        But I can’t imagine that the Russians had heterodox and foreign national heroes. This simply cannot be. And that's why I will never understand Ukrainians and Belarusians
        1. -3
          7 May 2023 08: 09
          Can you understand that a person, in order to be part of his people, does not necessarily have to live in a state where the majority of this people live?
          Well, what he believes in is his own business. Because nationality, I repeat, does not depend on religious beliefs either. Can a Russian be an atheist? Yes. Orthodox? Yes. And a Catholic? If a Russian accepted Buddhism, did he stop being Russian?
          You have confused ethnicity and religion.
          And in general, the conversation went somewhere to the side, let me remind you that the original topic was my criticism of the stupid and delusional idea that there are allegedly "no" Ukrainians as a nationality.
          There are Ukrainians - and earlier in all the big wars they were on the side of Russia and the Russian people.
          1. -1
            7 May 2023 10: 57
            Quote: Alt22
            Can you understand that a person, in order to be part of his people, does not necessarily have to live in a state where the majority of this people live?
            .
            No. I said I couldn't understand it. And I don't understand. A foreign and infidel Russian is vyrus. He will never become a hero for Russians. We do not need such heroes.
            1. +1
              8 May 2023 07: 48
              That is, you have a Russian living abroad of the Russian Federation - this is not Russian ???
              And a Russian who does not adhere to Orthodoxy is not Russian either???
              I understand that you only have Russian citizens of the Russian Federation and only Orthodox citizens of the Russian Federation.

              By the way - imagine the Russian Empire. And then the USSR. Imagine thousands of Russian families who have lived in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and Kazakhstan for centuries. And then the USSR collapsed, and in your country all these thousands of Russian families suddenly became "non-Russian" at once, because, as you said above,
              Foreign and heterodox Russian is vyrus
              .
              Now imagine how these thousands of Russian families, who remained Russian, despite the change in state borders, spit deliciously in your face - they deserve it.
              1. -2
                13 May 2023 12: 18
                From time immemorial there were no Tajikistans, Uzbekistans and Kazakhstans. Stalin created them. And I'm not surprised that this non-Russian is spitting deliciously in my face. What else can they do? How else to respond to the hurtful truth? They voluntarily agreed to live in Russian-speaking ghettos under the rule of the Chuchmeks. That is why they are not even called Russians, vyrus is unworthy of this title. They are just Russian speakers.
                1. -2
                  21 May 2023 11: 29
                  No truth was found in your message - all these "Tijikstans and Uzbekistans" are the former territory of the Russian Empire, then the USSR - and Russians lived there. And the nationality of a person, if you are not aware, DOES NOT DEPEND ON THE PLACE OF RESIDENCE AND CITIZENSHIP.
                  Today, hundreds of thousands of Russians live in Tatarstan, Karelia, Yakutia, Chukotka - in places where there were historically no Russians before, but there were local indigenous peoples.
                  If, God forbid, the Russian Federation collapses tomorrow and these Tatarstans become separate independent republics, then the Russians living in them will also be considered "not Russian" in you???

                  Well, before blaming you for "voluntarily agreeing", first remember that they were all BORN there - where do you see "voluntariness" here ???
                  And before you reproach that they live there, in the territories that Russia left - first ask, WHAT RUSSIA DID to make it really easier for them to move and obtain Russian citizenship? Is it easy to move to the Russian Federation and obtain its citizenship for residents of the country of the former USSR? No - usually very difficult.
                  Obtaining Russian citizenship on a general basis takes at least FIVE YEARS, and often even longer!
                  That is why you have no right to reproach them for not having money and opportunities to move to the Russian Federation - you do not have such a moral right. And they are Russians, but I'm not sure about you. But I am 100% sure that with regard to people like you, the Germans were right, who created a saying about the role in the family for stupid women - "Kinder, Küche, Kirche" - "Children, kitchen, church (temple)".

                  You first understand how citizenship differs from nationality, and then try to rant on this topic! Or do you think Russian and Russian are one and the same? laughing And if a Russian leaves the Russian Federation, does it cease to be one? Or does it cease to be with you when he renounces the citizenship of the Russian Federation? )))
                  And when a Tajik receives a Russian passport, does it become not only a Russian, but also a Russian? )))
                  Infinite universe, America's greed and woman's stupidity! am
  19. +2
    5 May 2023 23: 18
    During the Khrushchev era, Bandera received an amnesty, while others came out of the deep underground. They "repainted" as communists, Komsomol members and gradually began subversive work. Already in the late USSR in the west of Ukraine, as, indeed, in the Baltic states, Russians were hated and despised at the household level. Although, through the efforts of Moscow, the Ukrainian SSR has become an advanced scientific, technical, cultural, educational and economic center of the USSR and the whole world. Thieves-oligarchs, embezzlers-officials, gangsters and the Nazis who pulled themselves up behind them, who seized power in 1991, were able to flush all the works of many generations of Russian (Soviet) people down the toilet in just a generation.

    There has been a big war for a long time. Then they won. Then they started betraying. Then traitors became chairmen. Then the chairmen betrayed again. Then these traitors were persecuted, persecuted, but they were never driven away. Then came the writers. And everything was described as it should be. But still, the Tsar is good, and the boyars are petty tyrants.

    I do not believe that the author is Samsonov! I do not believe!!!
    This is some kind of artificial "smart".
    VO joking over readers? Or is VO no longer the same?
  20. +1
    6 May 2023 11: 05
    The war in the 21st century begins in the corridors of the university in the trenches, it continues. Former teachers of Marxism-Leninism quickly began to teach Ukronazism. The complacency of a part of the Russian "elite", or maybe just betrayal, led to today's events or the SVO. Everything is clear about the oligarchy's coming out. But really in the Russian Federation they did not see the total ideological nationalist indoctrination of the population. Pumping up and rearmament of the army of the military industry, etc., at least for the period from 2014.
  21. 0
    7 May 2023 13: 10
    Quote: Alexey RA
    Ai-yay-yay, are you going against the general line of the party?


    The line of this party has not been general for a long time.
    More right SRs are reminiscent than communists.
  22. 0
    7 May 2023 13: 12
    Quote: Katya_Ivanova
    But I can’t imagine that the Russians had heterodox and foreign national heroes. This simply cannot be.


    Che Guevara and Fidel Castro were not respected at all.
    E. Telman and R. Luxembourg - too. True, the streets were called by their names, but these are trifles ...
  23. +1
    7 May 2023 13: 19
    Quote: Alexey RA
    So the connection is simple - Ukrainian statehood, which we are now seeing in all its glory, was nurtured by faithful Leninists. It was they who collected, generously endowed with lands and supported the Ukrainian sovereign socialist state for 70 years (namely, this was the status of the union republics according to the Constitution of the USSR), which lacked only one step to independence (also carefully spelled out in the Constitution of the USSR).


    Oh really?
    But the Romanovs did not encourage the sovereignty of Little Russia at all. But when their Empire began to crumble, the Ukrainians immediately wanted sovereignty and were ready to surrender to anyone who would provide them with at least the specter of statehood.
    As for the Bolsheviks, they were forced to act according to the rule: "You can't interfere with the process - lead it." As long as Soviet power was indestructible, everything worked and not bad. And when anti-communism and liberalism raised their heads, it rained down everywhere, not only in Ukraine, by the way.
  24. 0
    8 May 2023 03: 24
    There was no other choice but: "With fire and sword." Forgive me my ancestors...
  25. 0
    13 June 2023 11: 57
    Abstract of the article:

    Your brother stopped loving you after listening to strangers, what should I do?
    - Break his face and break his legs, then hold him on bread and water, and heal his wounds. Then he will love you.

    The Brotherhood is returned by other methods, but the Samsonovs are clearly not aware of the soft power, unlike the Yankees. Hence all this slaughter without end and edge.
  26. -1
    18 June 2023 12: 54
    Just don't try to re-educate anyone. This guys is the nipple system:
    - There - blow, back ... do not blow back.
    As in the body, healthy cells can be reborn into cancerous ones, but not vice versa. We must not make the mistake of our grandfathers, who did not crush the Bandera reptile. We are seeing the fruits of this mistake "right now."
  27. -1
    18 June 2023 13: 17
    Curiously, how many tribes of his relatives does the author of the article know?
  28. 0
    18 June 2023 14: 09
    Quote from Sumotori_380
    Anecdote is a dying genre. It is mostly spoken by people 50+. And the jokes themselves, for the most part, are a retelling of jokes from a third century ago
    Accordingly, they don’t tell jokes about Kolchak and Denikin, since they didn’t exist a third of a century ago.

    Leaving???
    This is modern low-level cinema, because only high-level films leave behind anecdotes, folk films.
  29. 0
    30 October 2023 09: 57
    It's too late to try to change anything. There, in almost every family, the memory will live for decades that someone close to them was killed. How can one live with this with such neighbors? However, there is a remedy, a proven remedy - this is the old-new Soviet Power, only it can solve this problem