Childhood of Ivan the Terrible

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Childhood of Ivan the Terrible

In the era of digital technology and the Internet, any information and video is rapidly spreading around the world. You can follow the life of a person who is not personally known to you by finding his page on social networks.

And in order to learn about the pranks of a person in childhood in the Middle Ages, one of three conditions had to be observed: it was necessary



1) be a participant in events;
2) be aware of the words of the person himself;
3) obtain information from a reliable source.


Ivan the Terrible is one of the greatest rulers of Russia, whose life, struggle and service turned out to be slandered.

The king from the Moscow principality created a state that became larger in area than all other European countries combined, the population growth was 30–50%, he carried out many reforms, founded 155 cities and fortresses, 300 post stations, laid the foundation for book printing, created printing houses, six general education schools, etc.


Under the leadership of Grozny, several hundred kilometers of the notch line were built up. Zasechnaya line - a defensive complex of fortified cities, watchtowers, engineering structures, ditches, ramparts. We can say that it was a Russian analogue of the Great Wall of China, but built not of stone, but of earth and wood, which in some areas reached 15 meters in height.

V. G. Manyagin describes the significance of the construction completed under the leadership of Grozny as follows:

“... having reformed the defense of the southern border, he presented the farmers with a truly royal gift - the most fertile black earth steppes and relieved them of the fear of the Crimean raids. Since that time, the power of the Crimean Horde began to decline, and the defense system created by Tsar John and his associates served Russia for more than a hundred years - until Peter I" [1].


The author of several books about Grozny, V. G. Manyagin, describes those whose libels formed the basis of the biography of the first Russian tsar as follows:

“The creators of the myth about the “tyrant” on the Russian throne were such odious personalities as the traitor Kurbsky, who inspired the invasion of Rus' by 70 Poles and 000 Crimean Tatars; the Protestant pastor Oderborn and the Catholic Guagnino (Gvagnini), who wrote their lampoons far from the place of events - in Poland and in Germany; papal nuncio A. Possevino, organizer of the Polish aggression against Russia; the imperial spy Staden, who advised Emperor Rudolf how best to capture Russian cities and monasteries; the Livonian renegades Taube and Kruse, who betrayed everyone they served; English adventurer D. Horsey, whose conscience was replaced by a purse with money. But still, each of them was a contemporary of the events described and had reasons to hate the king and slander him" [60].

Let's add Albert Schlichting to this list.

About what the fugitive Prince Andrei Kurbsky was, the author previously published an article in the Military Review [3]. The childhood of the tsar was described by Kurbsky. There are two important points to note here.

First, Kurbsky did not have the honor of knowing Grozny as a child, and, accordingly, could not be aware of what did not exist.

Secondly, he wrote his slanderous libels after a treacherous escape to a foreign land to the Polish king Sigismund, the sworn enemy of the Muscovite kingdom.

He took up the pen for several reasons. First, solely for the purpose of justifying oneself, then - when it was necessary to gather enemy troops in different years, allegedly for a "liberation campaign against Rus'" against the "oppressor-tsar".


Grozny's real childhood, according to other sources, was completely different.

V. A. Mazurov gives the following information:

“The first Russian historian V. N. Tatishchev (1686–1756), who still had the opportunity to use materials lost by the time of Karamzin’s life, writes that no information about the childhood years of Ivan Vasilyevich has been preserved. Karamzin describes Ivan's childhood using Kurbsky's work. However, the Yaroslavl prince A. Kurbsky appeared surrounded by the young tsar only in the early 1550s, when John was already 21 years old. Therefore, neither Kurbsky, nor even Karamzin, knew how John lived in childhood.
Kurbsky's description of young Ivan's behavior repeated by Karamzin seems to be his invention, or Kurbsky transfers his childhood habits to Ivan. And there are reasons for this. The Polish historian K. Valishevsky writes that the Polish gentry, the neighbors of Kurbsky's possessions, received by him from the Polish king for special merits, complained to the king about his licentiousness and cruelty, dismissive attitude towards people.
John Vasilievich already in the years of his reign did not hesitate to communicate with ordinary people. During rest, on campaigns or on a pilgrimage, Ivan participated in village work and holidays, for which Kurbsky condemned him. The pre-revolutionary historian I. D. Belyaev, a researcher of peasant life in Russia and Russian legislation, noted that the position of the peasant in Russia had never been better than under Ivan the Terrible.
Hence the love of the people for him.
Kurbsky was hated even by his Polish neighbors - the gentry. He, hating the Russian Tsar and dreaming of the Principality of Yaroslavl, was ready to lay down (and put) on the altar of ambition thousands of lives of Russian people, and many Polish ones too.
And, nevertheless, the fabrications of the traitor Kurbsky about Tsar Ivan Vasilyevich were spread by Karamzin and a number of other Russian and Soviet historians. They are presented to schoolchildren in Soviet and Russian textbooks as real facts” [4].

Historian V. E. Shambarov explains the meaning of the word “fun” in the Middle Ages: “If we carefully read the chronicles, we will see that “fun” meant only hunting. This was the only entertainment that Ivan Vasilievich left for himself. The sovereign's hunts were both recreation, and sports activities to maintain health, and military training for his squad" [5]. Here is the answer to the question about the king's childishness.


But the childhood of Ivan the Terrible and his younger brother Fyodor was really difficult. They grew up in an atmosphere of constant intrigue, threats to life, humiliation. In addition, according to the memoirs of Grozny himself, they simply forgot to feed him and his brother, they were poorly dressed.

Metropolitan Macarius played an important role in the life of Ivan IV.

The Metropolitan was a spiritual authority for the Orthodox Church, a person with high moral and moral qualities. He was a trustee of the first literaryhistorical encyclopedia "Great Honored Menaia" in 19 volumes (13 pages). "Cheti" - from the word "reading", "Minei" - a book for worship. As historians write, "Great Menaion" was a spiritual, historical, literary encyclopedia.

Macarius appeared in the life of little Ivan when he was about 12 years old. The Metropolitan replaced the boy's father and took up his education. The future head of state was a gifted, inquisitive, thirsty child. The teacher was not only Macarius himself, but also diplomats and military men. Ivan was taught the Bible, church history, Russian chronicles, and the history of the Byzantine Empire.

Military education in theory and practice was compulsory. In practice, they taught to wield a bow, sword, knife, spear; trained to fight both as an infantryman and as a rider. Diplomatic workers of that time were called embassy workers. They introduced Ivan to the life, way of life, history of other states, taught the Greek language. In addition, from childhood, the boy was taught to participate in church services and receptions.

In many chronicles, chronicles of the XNUMXth century, books of historians, it is indicated that Ivan Vasilyevich was not only one of the most educated monarchs, but in general one of the educated people of his time. Few people know, but he was a writer, the author of stichera. Stichera are spiritual chants. Rodion Shchedrin wrote music to Grozny's words.


Walishevsky wrote:

“Ivan IV was an enlightened man, and therefore he was more dangerous than Louis XI. Ivan will act on the souls of his subjects in order to put them behind the iron bars of his prison, where bound Russia will have to suffer for a whole century” [6].

V. A. Kobrin:

“The first thing that attracts attention when reading the works of Tsar Ivan is his wide (of course, at the medieval level) erudition. To prove his position, he quite freely uses examples not only from the history of ancient Judea, set forth in the Bible, but also from the history of Byzantium. All this numerous information seems to spill out naturally from him. He perfectly knows not only the Old and New Testaments, but also the lives of the saints, the works of the "fathers of the church" - Byzantine theologians.
The memory of the king is striking. He is clearly quoting Scripture in extensive excerpts by heart. This can be seen from how the biblical quotations are given close to the text, but with inconsistencies characteristic of a person reproducing the text from memory.
It seems that the combination of great natural abilities, intellectual and literary talent with lust for power contributed to the development in Tsar Ivan of a certain “fullness complex”, superiority over miserable “little people” who do not know what the tsar knows, who is not able to express their thoughts the way the tsar can. Not only from here, but, perhaps, from here also came the tsar's deep contempt for people, the desire to humiliate their dignity" [7].

Historians who hated him were forced to admit his education, erudition, but with all this, in the following lines they made it clear that they had an extremely negative attitude towards him.

I remember the performance at the Olympic Games by gymnast Alexei Nemov. Despite the superbly executed complex program, the judges gave low scores. The whistling of the stands and applause for Nemov forced the refereeing team to reconsider the scores. They raised the points, but in such a way that the Russian athlete could only claim third place. More raging spectators appeared in the stands, but the athlete thanked them with a hand gesture calling for silence and with a brush to his heart.


Same with Grozny. Historians had to recognize his erudition, because there is a lot of evidence for this, just as the judges were forced to recognize the superiority of Nemov, but gladly deprived him of the gold medal.

The lies that were in the books of traitors and spies, supplemented by liberal historians, migrated to the screens. The creators of the series further denigrated and distorted the ministry of the king. Unfortunate filmmakers did not pass by childhood and adolescence, where they thought of showing him as a rapist.

In refutation of this, it is necessary to pay attention to the following facts.

First, Metropolitan Macarius could not allow his disciple to run amok on the streets of medieval Moscow.

Secondly, the boy simply had no time to misbehave, because he was studying. He grew up as a deeply religious and God-fearing person, he participated in worship services for many hours, therefore he could not perform such deeds.

His deep faith is also evidenced by the fact that Ivan Vasilyevich from childhood often and for several months went on a pilgrimage to holy places. This is described by the historian B. N. Florya [8]. Traveling along medieval roads is difficult to compare, even with what seems to us a difficult nine-hour flight from Moscow to Khabarovsk. Either a thaw, or a mudslide, or a snowstorm, or mosquitoes in the summer heat ...

In addition to all this, he sat at diplomatic receptions. If you add it all up, he was loaded except for the time when he slept.


I will give two excerpts from B. N. Flory's book. Excerpt #1:

“A week after the clash over Fyodor Vorontsov (September 1543, Grozny was 13 years old - ed. note), the Grand Duke went “to the Sergius Monastery to pray”, from Trinity he went to Volokolamsk, then to Mozhaisk and returned to Moscow only in late autumn. In the life of the young monarch, such trips were new and testified that his way of life was beginning to approach the way of life of the ruler, an integral part of which were visits to subject territories.

Excerpt #2:

“The end has come and the permanent stay of the Grand Duke in Moscow. He began to make increasingly long trips around the country. So, going in May 1545 to the Trinity-Sergius Monastery, the Grand Duke went from there to the north through Pereslavl-Zalessky - to Rostov, and then to Yaroslavl and to White Lake. On the journey, he visited almost all the "trans-Volga monasteries" - Kirillo-Belozersky, Ferapontov, Korniliev-Komelsky, Pavlo-Obnorsky monasteries. In a letter written many years later to the Kirillo-Belozersky Monastery, the tsar recalled that during his first stay in Kirillovo, he and his retinue, not accustomed to a long summer day, were late for dinner, and the monastery podkelarnik refused to feed them (“I’m afraid of the sovereign, but God need to be more afraid of that). The journey lasted several months, and already in September Ivan again went to the Trinity, and from there - to Alexandrov Sloboda and Mozhaisk. Such a long absence of the young Grand Duke in the capital suggests that the decision of current state affairs was completely carried out without his participation ”(the king at that time was only 15 years old - Approx. Aut.).

After the murder of Grozny's mother, Elena Glinskaya, power passed from the hands of one clan to another [9].

N. M. Pronina writes:

“In 1540, the Shuiskys were pushed aside from power by the princes of Belsky. The head of the party, Ivan Shuisky, was exiled to Vladimir. But in January 1542, the “blooded Rurikovichs” revolted again and, having brought several Vladimir noble regiments to Moscow, drove the descendants of Prince Gedemin out of the Kremlin. Ivan Belsky strangled. Moreover, in the dead of night, having robbed the sovereign’s chambers, the Shuiskys with their people, in front of the awakened boy, almost killed the head of the church, Metropolitan Joasaph, who had come there shortly before to seek protection, hoping that even here, next to the king, he would not be killed. touched. Is this not the clearest example of how little the personality of young Ivan meant to them? [10].


According to the libels of A. Kurbsky, the young Ivan was accused of murdering the head of the Shuisky clan. The historian Radzinsky interprets this episode as follows: “The wolf cub grew up and showed his temper ... and only the purely selfish feelings of the robbed owner then gave rise in Ivan to an unbearable desire for revenge, a desire to regain the stolen power from him.”

K. Valishevsky considered that Ivan became what the boyars around him were, because he did not see another example in front of him: “Thanks to the deeds of the boyars, the spirit of violence in various forms took possession of the imagination and feelings of the young man, penetrated into his flesh and blood. In the atmosphere of the struggle for power, the future despot was ripening - vindictive, extremely nervous, quick-tempered and tough. Already in games and amusements with comrades, whom, by the way, others chose for him, Ivan showed inhumanity, which, however, reigned in the environment that surrounded him. People were tortured before his eyes; he was not yet able to do this and limited himself to animals. It was a great pleasure for him to throw dogs from the high towers of the palace and look at them with death convulsions. He was not only not prevented from indulging in such amusements, but even encouraged. Soon the turn was to come for the people. Ivan was already at the age when he could be quite conscious of his position. He saw people around him who dared to constantly insult him; plundered his treasures and quarreled over them among themselves. Ivan was soon to draw his own conclusion from all this. In September 1543, he allowed Vorontsov to be exiled, but already in December he ordered his dogs to seize Andrei Shuisky himself. The servants obeyed and even overdid it - they strangled the boyar, instead of sending him to prison. Ivan decided that it was done well. Everyone understood that a change had taken place in Rus'. If the government has not changed, then the sovereign has changed” [11].


After reviewing the opinions of other historians, the conclusion suggests itself that the thirteen-year-old Ivan could not give such an order to tear a man to pieces to the kennel, because he did not have any power and authority. The historian Smirnov writes that Metropolitan Macarius gave the order to arrest Andrei Shuisky so that the confrontation between the two most powerful clans would not lead to an internecine war within the country.

The version of the historian Manyagin is as follows:

“Historians groundlessly accuse the sovereign of the massacre of Shuisky without trial or investigation. He did not order the execution of the temporary worker. Sources testify that "overzealous" servants were to blame. Wanting to please the tsar, they strangled the hated boyar instead of sending him to prison. It is most likely that someone from the Vorontsov group that came to power gave the unspoken order for the murder secretly from John” [12].

We can find information from Natalya Pronina that the thirteen-year-old boy Ivan was not in Moscow at all at that time, and he could not give the order to arrest Shuisky: Macarius, having withstood the daring attack of the boyars, did not allow them to repeat what they had done in January 1542 against Metropolitan Iosaph. From now on, he decided to take all the responsibility only on himself. And most importantly - responsibility for the sovereign, who had to be prepared to take power over the country. Already on September 16, 1543, that is, only a week after the unrest in the Duma, the metropolitan sent the young tsar from Moscow. His absence dragged on until the very winter ... Officially, it was a pilgrimage trip to the Trinity-Sergius Monastery " [13].


The historian cites the information of the nobleman of the times of Catherine II, M. M. Shcherbatov, according to which Ivan “went further to Volok and Mozhaisk” from the Trinity Monastery. He also cites the information of I. I. Smirny that “it was during that departure of Ivan from the capital that “what happened on December 29, 1543” was “predetermined”, “this stroke better than many others reveals the true leaders of the young Ivan IV, pointing to the role of Macarius in the overthrow of the Shuiskys.


It's a completely different picture, isn't it?

Let's turn to Wikipedia for a short note about Andrey Shuisky: “Prince Andrei Mikhailovich Shuisky (year of birth unknown - 1543) is a Russian statesman. Son of Prince Mikhail Vasilyevich Shuisky, grandfather of Tsar Vasily Shuisky (1606–1610). In 1524 - governor on the Ugra. In 1528, with his brother Ivan Shuisky, he intended to make a career ("departure") from Prince Yuri Dmitrovsky. Voivode of the regiment of the right hand in the army of Vasily Shuisky the Mute and Ivan Vasilyevich Shuisky on a campaign to Nizhny Novgorod. In 1534, after the death of Vasily III, he was again going to "depart". By order of Elena Glinskaya, he was thrown into prison and released only after her death in 1538. Governor of Novgorod (1539–1540) and Pskov (1540). He proved to be a cruel and greedy administrator. Returning to Moscow, he led the struggle for influence at court. After the death of Ivan Vasilyevich Shuisky and the murder of Ivan Belsky, he became the head of the boyar government in May 1542. In September 1543, Andrei Shuisky and his associates, in front of Metropolitan Macarius and 13-year-old Grand Duke Ivan Vasilyevich, beat the boyar Fyodor Vorontsov.

This begs the question: could a nominal tsar in his teens be equal to such an authoritative statesman with combat experience, so much so that the young man could order the kill? And we must remember that Ivan Shuisky was the governor of Novgorod and Pskov, which were in second and third places in importance in Medieval Muscovy.


The teenage king against the background of Shuisky is like a leaf in the wind. I agree that, firstly, he did not give such an order. Secondly, the order for the arrest was given by an authoritative equivalent person or group of people. Thirdly, it is possible that Andrei Shuisky, being a military man with combat experience, decided to resist, and was killed by the executors of the arrest order.

Here is what Flora writes:

“On December 29, 1543, the Grand Duke, as reported in the official history of his reign, “ordered to capture the first adviser ... Prince Andrei Shuisky and ordered him to be betrayed by a kennel, and the kennel took and killed him, attracting him to prisons.”

The last detail seems to indicate that it was originally supposed to imprison the boyar, and he was killed when some difficulties arose with this.

The murder of the leader demoralized the entire Shuisky group, and his supporters, without resisting, went into exile. At the same time, the murder of the boyar without trial or investigation testified that the Grand Duke and those who stood behind him were obviously convinced that they would not be able to carry out a change of power by legal means” [14].


PS


For the past few years I have been studying the history of the Middle Ages during the era of Ivan the Terrible. I try to publish truthful articles about him, thereby doing everything in my power to clear Grozny's name.

Photos from the film by S. M. Eisenstein "Ivan the Terrible".

Bibliography:
[1] Manyagin V. G. Grozny. Apology of the Russian Tsar. 2021, p. 163.
[2] Manyagin V. G. The Truth of the Terrible Tsar. 2007. S. 24.
[3] Shogenova A.A. Andrei Kurbsky is a traitor who slandered Ivan the Terrible.
https://topwar.ru/213008-andrej-kurbskij-predatel-obolgavshij-ivana-groznogo.html
https://dzen.ru/a/ZBUn1arZFBokagHg
Shogenova A. A. Creative environment and patriotism, the truth about historical events, influence on minds. https://topwar.ru/204098-tvorcheskaja-sreda-i-patriotizm-pravda-ob-istoricheskih-sobytijah-vlijanie-na-umy.html
https://dzen.ru/a/Y0Jidfbg_Fr1E9Qm
[4] Mazurov V.A. Truth and lies about Ivan the Terrible. 2018, pp. 35–36.
[5] Shambarov V. E. Ivan the Terrible against the “fifth column”. Judas of the Russian kingdom. 2017. S. 54.
[6] Valishevsky K. Ivan the Terrible. Historical essay. 1993. S. 18.
[7] Kobrin V. A. Ivan the Terrible. 1992, pp. 595–596.
[8] Florya B. N. "Ivan the Terrible". Electronic edition of the book.
[9] Shogenova A. A. Elena Glinskaya - the slandered mother of Ivan the Terrible. https://topwar.ru/212110-elena-glinskaja-obolgannaja-mat-ivana-groznogo.html
https://dzen.ru/a/ZADs__kFNDffZSdw
[10] Pronina N. M. Ivan the Terrible without lies. martyr of power. Electronic edition of the book.
[11] K. Valishevsky "Ivan the Terrible" Historical essay. 1993, p. 116.
[12] Manyagin V.G. Grozny. Apology of the Russian Tsar. 2021, pp. 54–55.
[13] Pronina N. M. The truth about Ivan the Terrible. 2013, pp. 90–91.
[14] Florya B. N. "Ivan the Terrible". Electronic edition of the book.
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  1. +3
    4 May 2023 04: 34
    It's a pity, but about the childhood of Ivan Vasilyevich, I learned that ':
    "In addition, according to the memoirs of Grozny himself, they simply forgot to feed him and his brother, they were poorly dressed." (C)
    I would like a link to this quote.
    And a lot of contradictory things, either he played with his peers, or he didn’t have time to play.
    The whole article is written on the opinion of some m.b. historians.
    1. +5
      4 May 2023 06: 37
      V. Manyagin describes

      V.G.Manyagin reports

      The version of the historian Manyagin sounds

      Bibliography:
      [1] Manyagin V. G. Grozny. Apology of the Russian Tsar. 2021, p. 163.
      [2] Manyagin V. G. The Truth of the Terrible Tsar. 2007. S. 24.
      [12] Manyagin V.G. Grozny. Apology of the Russian Tsar. 2021, pp. 54–55.

      Excuse me, Aksana, what kind of historian is Manyagin. they also found someone to refer to.
      Manyagin Vyacheslav - Russian Orthodox journalist, monarchist, anti-globalist. Member of the Writers' Union of Russia. Married, two children, in Sergiev Posad. In 1978 he graduated from high school, then for 5 years he worked at the enterprise as an electronic equipment inspector. In 1983-1988 he studied at the Leningrad Institute of Culture, from which he graduated with honors. After that he worked as a bibliographer, an educator in a hostel for working youth, and as a head of the district library sector. For 10 years, from 1993 to 2002, he was the head of the parish library at the church of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate. In 1998-1999 published and edited on a voluntary basis a small-circulation newspaper "Sobor" (Sergiev Posad). From May 1999, he collaborated with the newspaper "Holy Rus" (later "Serbian Cross"). Since August 2002, he has been the editor-in-chief of the independent Orthodox socio-political magazine The First and the Last.
      For his books about Tsar Ivan the Terrible, he was obstructed by the Bishops' Council of the Russian Orthodox Church of the Moscow Patriarchate and the near-church press: the Moscow Church Bulletin newspaper, the Holy Fire magazine, and others. He turned out to be one of the few contemporary writers who received criticism on the pages of the official printed organ of the ROC MP, the Journal of the Moscow Patriarchate (2002, No. 10, pp. 74-78).

      URL:https://www.livelib.ru/author/156353-vyacheslav-manyagin
      Bibliography:
      [3] Shogenova A.A. Andrei Kurbsky is a traitor who slandered Ivan the Terrible.
      [9] Shogenova A. A. Elena Glinskaya - the slandered mother of Ivan the Terrible.

      And to refer to oneself is not at all comme il faut, dear Aksana Azretalievna
      1. +6
        4 May 2023 07: 12
        Hi Dima!
        "When Vanya was small,
        He looked like us
        In winter, he wore boots,
        He wore a scarf and mittens.
        And fell in the snow more than once.

        He loved to play horses
        And run and ride
        Solve riddles
        And play hide and seek.

        When Vanya was small,
        Like you and me
        He loved the thaw
        On a small puddle
        Launch your boat.

        Like us, he knew how to be naughty,
        Like us, he loved to sing,
        True and courageous
        This was our Ivan IV"
        Based on the poems of Agnia Barto
        1. +7
          4 May 2023 08: 01
          Author: The childhood of Ivan the Terrible and his younger brother Fyodor was really difficult. They grew up in an atmosphere of constant intrigue.

          What!!!??? belay Interesting girls are dancing. wassat
          Alternate history beginslaughing
          Let it be known to the respected author of this "historical" article that the youngest son of the Grand Duke of Moscow Vasily III and Elena Glinskaya, and accordingly the younger brother of Ivan IV, was not called Fedor, but Yuri (George)
          Yuri (Georgy) Vasilievich (October 30, 1532 - November 25, 1563) - Prince Uglitsky (1533-1563), the youngest son of the Grand Duke of Moscow Vasily III and Elena Glinskaya, the younger brother of Ivan the Terrible. Born in 1532 deaf and mute. Before his death, his father assigned him Cherkizovo, Uglich, Mologa, Bezhetsk, Kaluga, Maloyaroslavets, Medyn and Meshchovsk to his patrimony. Since they were not able to teach deaf-mute children at that time, Yuri gave the impression of a mentally retarded person. On November 3, 1547, Princess Juliania Dmitrievna of the Paletsky family was married to Prince Yuri, who actually controlled Yuri's property. In this marriage, the only son was born - Vasily Yurievich (March 6, 1559 - February 20, 1560). Died November 24, 1563. He was buried in the Moscow Archangel Cathedral.

          a photo. Yuri Vasilyevich Uglitsky at a reception with Ivan IV (miniature of the Illuminated Chronicle)
          1. +3
            4 May 2023 08: 20
            PS

            For the past few years I have been studying the history of the Middle Ages during the era of Ivan the Terrible. I try to publish truthful articles about him, thereby doing everything in my power to clear Grozny's name.

            )))
      2. +1
        4 May 2023 19: 44
        Skrynnikov is not on the list. Why? And correspondence with Kurbsky from PSRL
    2. +7
      4 May 2023 08: 18
      Well - it probably makes sense to read Grozny himself for a start? Moreover - he had a simply amazing style, it was a pleasure to read him ..

      For example - http://www.infoliolib.info/rlit/drl/grozny.html
    3. +7
      4 May 2023 09: 56
      Quote: ee2100
      "In addition, according to the memoirs of Grozny himself, they simply forgot to feed him and his brother, they were poorly dressed." (C)
      I would like a link to this quote.

      Sasha, good afternoon!
      We, with our only-begotten brother, who reposed as a saint, are fed up, as if they were foreigners or as if they were the most wretched child. Jacob suffered in robes and drunkards! There is no will in everything; but not all of their own will and not according to the time of youth.

      We, along with my only-begotten brother, George, who died in the Bose, began to be brought up as strangers or the last poor people. Then we suffered hardships both in clothing and in food. We had no will in anything, but we did everything not of our own free will and not in the way children usually do.

      "The first message of Ivan the Terrible to Kurbsky" hi
      1. +4
        4 May 2023 17: 22
        Hello, Sergey!
        I thought the author would answer. In her list of references there is no reference to the correspondence between Ivan the Terrible and Kurbsky.
  2. +7
    4 May 2023 04: 49
    Ivan IV the Terrible - in the role of "white and fluffy" causes no less bewilderment, "terrible and bloody." I'm afraid the truth is somewhere in the middle.
    Personally, I am not deeply interested in the psychological portrait of the young Ivan Vasilyevich. I think every 12 year old tomboy has his own stone behind his soul. In other matters, in correspondence with Kurbsky, he did not deny his attacks.
    The assessment is made by the people who loved him not for caring (personal enslavement began precisely under him - the Author kept silent about this), but as a crusher of Kazan and Astrakhan.
    I already wrote about my assessments of Peter I, I think Grozny deserves similar ones - “yes, maybe a ghoul”, but ours !!!
    All the good days!
    1. +6
      4 May 2023 07: 12
      Author: There are two important points to note here.
      First, Kurbsky did not have the honor of knowing Grozny as a child, and, accordingly, could not be aware of what did not exist.

      Apparently, the respected author himself is not aware of this. Before asserting this, it would be nice to read the correspondence between Ivan IV and Kurbsky, in which the tsar himself bitterly tells Kurbsky about his childhood. Boyar rebellions and coups were a constant companion of Ivan IV's childhood. The way the boyar temporary workers treated him arrogantly, for a long time, resentment sunk into his soul. Even after a quarter of a century, he bitterly recalled in one of his letters to Kurbsky, how, in 1542, his tutor, boyar Prince Andrey Shuisky, lounged in his boots on his bed and watched Ivan and his younger brother Yuriy being forced to play and sleep on the floor.
      1. +3
        4 May 2023 07: 27
        You need to have a certain impudence or unlimited ambitions, little backed up, in order to write an article "The Childhood of Ivan the Terrible."
        It was possible to aim at a psychological portrait, but no more.
        This is not even a blank shot, but much worse laughing
        1. +5
          4 May 2023 07: 59
          You need to have a certain impudence or unlimited ambitions, little backed up, in order to write an article "The Childhood of Ivan the Terrible."
          "The Childhood of Ivan the Terrible" is the first part of the trilogy, followed by "Boyhood", "Youth", the fourth part "At the Beginning of Glorious Deeds" is possible, naturally, everything will be written in the vein that everything is slandered. smile
        2. +6
          4 May 2023 08: 30
          Good morning Sasha hi
          You need to have a certain impudence or unlimited ambitions, little backed up, in order to write an article "The Childhood of Ivan the Terrible."

          Ten years ago, a very interesting series of three articles by Alexander Samsonov "Childhood of Ivan the Terrible" was published at VO

          Very well written and interesting, with many illustrations. And what comments - you will read.
          link: https://topwar.ru/25793-detstvo-ivana-groznogo.html
          1. +7
            4 May 2023 08: 57
            I read it, there is time.
            Although the article is called "Childhood ...", in fact, about childhood, zero, as well as here. The regency period and the struggle for power are fairly well described.
            In the comments about mercury, I would not be so categorical - they poisoned me! Previously, mercury was part of various drugs.
            Maybe they "healed", but without malicious intent.
      2. 0
        7 June 2023 14: 36
        Boyar Prince Andrey Shuisky collapsed in boots on his bed

        What do you want from a boyar-war who went through hot spots and personally hacked a lot of enemies with a sword, such people do not know how to lisp, alas.

        how arrogantly the boyar temporary workers treated him

        Then the elite did not look like a modern apathetic official.
        The boyars were warriors, they went on campaigns, cut themselves in battles, in the men's team Grozny brought up leadership qualities in himself.
        The fact that the nanny-mother did not run around on the heels, did not wipe the snot, did Grozny benefit and he did not end up like Nicholas 2, whose ideal childhood brought him up with a rag.
    2. +7
      4 May 2023 08: 21
      The people make the assessment

      That's interesting - Ivan Vasilyevich was denounced in history as a type of bloody tyrant, and the people fought for the Terrible Tsar to the last, not sparing himself .. How so? Apparently - ordinary people understood what was happening somehow more than modern non-historians ...

      Moreover, his very nickname - Terrible, in Russian does not at all carry a negative meaning. He's not Bloody there, or Ferocious. He is Terrible. For the enemies of the Fatherland. Both external and internal.
      1. +1
        4 May 2023 18: 53
        Absolutely agree. Songs are still sung about Ivan Vasilyevich. Outstanding personality
    3. +2
      4 May 2023 10: 10
      I already wrote about my assessments of Peter I, I think Grozny deserves similar ones - “yes, maybe a ghoul”, but ours !!!

      Here the Chinese acted quite competently in assessing the reign of the "Great Pilot" - Yes, there was good and bad, but there was much more good. The evaluation question is closed.
  3. +4
    4 May 2023 05: 55
    what Why does the article constantly indicate: "Middle Ages", "Medieval Moscow"?
    When was Ivan IV Vasilyevich born? The New World has already been discovered and "new territories" were being explored, as if this period that had begun is considered "New Time".
    Al in Muscovy, times stopped, cabbage soup slurped with bast shoes and did well in the "Middle Ages" ?! wink
    In Europe, at that time, trams did not run either ...
    1. +2
      4 May 2023 07: 40
      Hmmm, colleague, what do you think are the time or event criteria of the Middle Ages?
      1. +1
        4 May 2023 07: 45
        Hi, hello!
        You know that these concepts are quite conditional.
        Better comment on the article. drinks
        1. +2
          4 May 2023 08: 02
          You know that these concepts are quite conditional.
          Hi Sasha!
          At least I at least understand the basis of the historical period called the "Middle Ages".
          As for the article .... Well, you can still speculate about the childhood of Philip II, based on the novel by Charles de Coster.)))
          1. +1
            4 May 2023 08: 12
            As historians write, the Middle Ages is from the collapse of the Roman Empire to the Objection.
            It's like yesterday, today and tomorrow. No more. The economy and social relations are practically not tied here.
            1. +4
              4 May 2023 08: 21
              The economy and social relations are practically not tied here.
              Vashchenko will not agree!)))
              1. +2
                4 May 2023 08: 36
                Let it be. There is an objective concept of uneven economic development, well, forms of government.
                One size fits all will not work, and the time is called the Middle Ages
                1. +2
                  4 May 2023 08: 50
                  As for me, the concept of "Middle Ages" is based on one basis - trust in the church. As this trust disappeared, so the era ended. The agony, however, dragged on for 300-400 years.
                  1. +3
                    4 May 2023 09: 00
                    I would clarify - the main authority of the church!
                    1. +3
                      4 May 2023 09: 05
                      I would clarify - the main authority of the church!
                      Yes exactly!
      2. +3
        4 May 2023 09: 16
        Quote: 3x3zsave
        Hmmm, colleague, what do you think are the time or event criteria of the Middle Ages?

        what I’m interested as a simple layman (especially not a historian), if, purely hypothetically, one of us turned out to be a “time traveler” traveling along the Silk Road to Europe in the years of the 1490s, called their times “Middle Ages”, they-Europeans would be surprised?

        I started teaching history at school right at the end of the Soviet Union, the textbook indicated: the period of "New Time: Renaissance (Renaissance)" - from 1500, which is characterized by the beginning of the era of geographical discoveries, the development of art, the birth of industry, the formation of a class - the bourgeoisie ...
        In Italy, the development of art, if I am not mistaken, was noted even before 1500.

        Py.Sy. wink He forgot, for that he and the supreme ruler (whether the king, or the grand duke, king or khan), so that the subjects or descendants did not know about his childhood, because there is nothing for the common people to know how the future king went to the pot, snot and drooled, or beat peers was. Yes
        1. +1
          4 May 2023 09: 32
          My question, colleague, did not carry any negative connotation. I join him with everyone.)))
          1. +1
            4 May 2023 10: 02
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            My question, colleague, did not carry any negative connotation. I join him with everyone.)))

            wink So I did not find your "negative subtext". Usually on "negative connotations" - I frown my eyebrows sad or am
            Best regards, hi
    2. 0
      4 May 2023 18: 55
      If memory serves, did you send matchmakers to Lizaveta of England?
  4. +6
    4 May 2023 06: 27
    what else should one of the greatest creators of the Empire of Russia have to be, so that the Tatars and Novgorodians would remember for six hundred years how not to be at enmity against those who lead Russia on the path
    its future power. And what about the embezzlers and traitors to the boyars, Grozny chopped off their heads, is that really
    like the enemies of Russia? And Orthodoxy, which is becoming the citadel of Christianity in Russia, is it
    will tolerate Polish-Lithuanian Catholics? And, to put it mildly, the Romanovs, who did not quite rightfully receive power and the throne, also as the hope of Poland, then wrote history for three hundred years to justify their alleged truth.
    1. +4
      4 May 2023 07: 36
      Quote: north 2
      then for three hundred years they wrote history to justify their alleged truth.

      This story was composed by Karamzin and Kostomarov, from their liberal positions, having no historical sources, then Soviet historians began to interpret the period of the reign of Ivan the Terrible in their own way, in the end - either a tyrant, or a righteous tsar.
      Often they try to find something average, but there is an opinion that in relation to Ivan Vasilyevich this is simply impossible, not the case - the arithmetic mean cannot be deduced.
  5. +1
    4 May 2023 07: 43
    Ivan the Terrible is one of the greatest rulers of Russia, whose life, struggle and service turned out to be slandered.
    Here's "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" Who slandered Ivan the Terrible? Names of liars, in the studio!
    1. +5
      4 May 2023 07: 57
      I will express my opinion.
      The negative image of Ivan Vasilyevich began to form in the West, primarily due to the conduct of the Livonian company, or rather its goals.
      1. +3
        4 May 2023 09: 12
        I will express my opinion.
        Can we leave the West alone? laughing And if it has already been touched, I will note that in the West two positive images have been formed about N.S. Khrushchev and M.S. Gorbachev. laughing Do we have a lot of Western positive images formed? Who are we ready to carry? In Holland, there are monuments to Peter I, in Switzerland, to date, they have not closed the house-museum of Lenin, opened museums to A.V. Suvorov. What Western figure has a monument erected in our country? The only thing, somewhere, the monuments to K. Marx remained laughing And so in general? smile
        1. +2
          4 May 2023 09: 30
          We are discussing Ivan IV, not Gorbachev and Khrushchev. laughing
          1. +1
            4 May 2023 10: 13
            The negative image of Ivan Vasilyevich began to take shape in the West
            Keyword, in the West smile So who slandered Ivan the Terrible? Specifically? laughing Yes, he slandered so much that the slandered image of Ivan the Terrible entered the history and minds of Russians of all subsequent centuries? Who is this scoundrel? laughing
            1. 0
              4 May 2023 19: 21
              Quote: parusnik
              The key word is in the West smile So who slandered Ivan the Terrible? Specifically?
              Have you tried to read the article?
              “The creators of the myth about the “tyrant” on the Russian throne were such odious personalities as the traitor Kurbsky, who inspired the invasion of Rus' by 70 Poles and 000 Crimean Tatars; the Protestant pastor Oderborn and the Catholic Guagnino (Gvagnini), who wrote their lampoons far from the place of events - in Poland and in Germany; papal nuncio A. Possevino, organizer of the Polish aggression against Russia; the imperial spy Staden, who advised Emperor Rudolf how best to capture Russian cities and monasteries; the Livonian renegades Taube and Kruse, who betrayed everyone they served; English adventurer D. Horsey, whose conscience was replaced by a purse with money. But still, each of them was a contemporary of the events described and had reasons to hate the king and slander him" [60].
        2. +2
          4 May 2023 10: 32
          What figure, Western, have we erected a monument to?
          Alexey, you will not say that Dominico Trezzini was Russian, will you?
          1. +1
            4 May 2023 11: 29
            I could not resist, I will add: We respect foreigners who have done something good for the country. Composition of busts of B.F. Rastrelli, A. Rinaldi, G. Quarenghi, C. I. Rossi. Opened on May 28, 2003. Installed in the square on Manezhnaya Square, near the fountain. The work of the wonderful sculptor Vladimir Emilevich Gorevoy, a very interesting author of monuments to historical figures.
            I don’t cite all the images, only one, those who wish can easily find it on the net.
            1. +1
              4 May 2023 11: 42
              Hello Vladimir!
              I note that in small Vyborg there are three monuments to foreigners.
          2. +3
            4 May 2023 12: 46
            Was Domenico Trezzini Russian?
            "Eeeee, we said, with Peter Ivanovich" (c) laughing I do not mean foreigners in the Russian service laughing In Russia, the only monument to a foreign statesman, Fidel Castro, has been erected smile There is also a tablet to another statesman of Finland - Mannerheim, but it is dedicated to him as an officer of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia laughing Also, slandered laughing
            1. +1
              4 May 2023 12: 59
              Okay, why is Thorgils Knutsson not a statesman for you?
              1. +1
                4 May 2023 14: 20
                Ernst Telman Pushkin Saint Petersburg
                1. +3
                  4 May 2023 15: 09
                  A worthy man, they didn’t have time to demolish in due time, they missed laughing And now, it’s too late. It doesn’t fit into the ideology, for demolition. laughing But they compensated with monuments to Ilyin and Shmelev.
              2. +2
                4 May 2023 15: 02
                As far as I remember, the founder of Vyborg? As a founder, it was established. We, the founder, of our county town, cannot be established in any way. Russia with its lands. They didn't, in the end. And Vyborg, "on the shield", had to be taken. And more than once.
                1. +1
                  4 May 2023 15: 16
                  As far as I remember, the founder of Vyborg? As founder and installed.
                  Not only Vyborg, but also Landskrona.
                  1. +3
                    4 May 2023 16: 16
                    Not only Vyborg, but also Landskrona.
                    We should be proud of this, we recaptured it, after all.
              3. 0
                4 May 2023 19: 55
                Interesting. And he is definitely a knutson? Torkel is long.?
            2. 0
              4 May 2023 16: 05
              Franciso de Miranda, St. Petersburg, 300th Anniversary Park.
              1. +3
                4 May 2023 16: 28
                Hugo Chavez, gave, I remember, it was a sin to refuse. In addition, a colonel in the Russian service, a victim of the French revolution. At that time, he fit into the ideology. smile In addition, he was familiar with Suvorov, corresponded with Potemkin until his death, by the way, very interesting. Yes, the same monument stands to Miranda in Cuba, in the capital Havana - and in several other cities of the world. He died in a Spanish prison, and S. Bolivar handed him over, yeah, the same one.
                1. +1
                  4 May 2023 16: 39
                  Died, in a Spanish prison
                  One gets the impression that the monuments to foreign political figures in Russia are united by one motive: they all ended badly...
                  1. +4
                    4 May 2023 17: 59
                    Castro, died a natural death, Mannerheim, also
            3. +1
              4 May 2023 16: 57
              Quote: parusnik
              In Russia, the only monument to a foreign statesman, Fidel Castro, has been erected

              There is a monument to de Gaulle in Moscow. It is not clear, however, why.
              1. +3
                4 May 2023 18: 09
                It's not clear why, though.
                And this, the one opposite the Cosmos Hotel? In 2005, I was on a business trip, I barely got to the hotel. They opened it, VVP and Chirac, it seems, as they later found out when they got there. Yes, but do you know who the sculptor is? Zurab, ours, Tsereteli. You can’t recognize Goll, only by the inscription on the pedestal. Tsereteli, that’s how he saw him. laughing
            4. +2
              4 May 2023 20: 31
              There is also a tablet to another statesman of Finland - Mannerheim, but it is dedicated to him as an officer of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia laughing Also, slandered laughing
              And what, according to the status, all officers of the General Staff of the Republic of Ingushetia are given signs? Well, he is "slandered" in the same way as Admiral Kolchak, a polar explorer.
          3. +2
            4 May 2023 17: 11
            Domenico Trezzini was Russian

            People say that this is actually a monument to his fur coat ... what For it is she who occupies the central place of the composition .. wink
            1. +2
              4 May 2023 17: 24
              Yes, I agree. The sculpture is made in a somewhat comical style.
              1. 0
                4 May 2023 18: 11
                Hello, Anton. It was difficult for the group of authors to find the idea for the monument. In monumental art, one must start from the subconscious image. To take for the soul and break through a critical attitude. But Trezzini has no established relationship in society, none at all. In such cases, the formal approach leads to bronze mannequins. Here they decided to go from the grotesque, exaggerating everything - a fur coat, and a compass, and a drawing, and arrogance in a pose and look. Deliberateness in the pedestal as a stylization of a book illustration, as an architectural cartouche. In addition, the surrounding architectural context was taken into account. And it turned out, in principle, not bad, commensurate with both the audience and the square. And it feels like a modern stylization of the Petrine baroque.
                1. 0
                  4 May 2023 19: 07
                  And it turned out, in principle, not bad, commensurate with both the audience and the area
                  I actually liked it too. I've driven past many times, but only got close last summer. I also thought about some kind of anti-vandal integrity of the sculpture, so that the fate of Shemyakin's "Builders" would not be repeated.
                  1. 0
                    4 May 2023 20: 55
                    I am also jarred by some residents and guests of the city who want to climb a monument, rub some place on it, or perform some strange ritual such as sticking papers with a desire into some cavity.
                    However, specifically Mikhail Shemyakin for his works installed in public spaces was not against such an attitude. Toli, being a realist, understood the inevitability of this, or he proceeded from higher considerations, considering the monument to be a kind of utilitarian element of the environment.
                    1. 0
                      4 May 2023 21: 31
                      I do not agree. The place for the monument to the "First Builders" was chosen ideally, however, Shemyakin did not take into account the general thievery of the townspeople, a sample of the mid-late nineties, and placed on the monument a lot of small, quickly dismantled parts ... A couple of times he restored the monument at his own expense, then spat on it business ... Today the composition is lonely boarded up with boards in half with plywood.
        3. +4
          4 May 2023 14: 13
          two positive images about N.S. Khrushchev and M.S. Gorbachev.
          The three-deserved alkonaut here can argue with Gorbachev in terms of the level of positivity. (EBN)
        4. 0
          4 May 2023 19: 00
          Yes. Khrushchev and Gorbachev ... applause
    2. +3
      4 May 2023 08: 24
      Well, on the famous monument of the Millennium of Russia, only one character is missing - Ivan Vasilyevich the Terrible ... So it started a long time ago, and there were many authors ..
      1. +4
        4 May 2023 08: 35
        Quote: paul3390
        So it started a long time ago, and there were many authors ..

        Repin's famous painting: Ivan the Terrible kills his son ...., a dirty and disgusting fake, but Repin did not suffer any punishment, moreover, this "artist" had success and money, this was the madness of the authorities.
        1. +3
          4 May 2023 09: 02
          And now they are removing fakes and other vile things at the expense of the state. What has changed?
        2. -2
          4 May 2023 19: 08
          What did you want? Monarchy ... did not grow up to democracy
  6. +3
    4 May 2023 09: 05
    Quote: bober1982
    Repin's famous painting: Ivan the Terrible kills his son....,


    There was no such picture, it was called differently (Tsar Ivan and his son ...), the word "murder" did not appear in the title.
    And everyone is free to see in this canvas the interpretation that is closer to him.
    Personally, I do not see in the picture a triumphant son-killer trampling on the body of his victim.
    I see a father suffering from grief, who presses his unfortunate son to his chest, on the face of the latter there is not a shadow of hatred and hostility towards his father, only regret ...
  7. +1
    4 May 2023 09: 08
    Quote: bober1982
    This story was composed by Karamzin and Kostomarov, from their liberal positions,


    Karamzin was a supporter of an autocratic monarchy, he did not have liberal positions for sure.
    Simply - a descendant of a noble family repressed (by Ivan) and a faithful servant of the Romanov dynasty (who really wanted to throw mud at the previous dynasty for the sake of self-affirmation).
    1. 0
      4 May 2023 09: 43
      Quote: Illanatol
      Karamzin was a supporter of an autocratic monarchy, he did not have liberal positions for sure.

      I agree here, I spoke to Nikolai Mikhailovich
  8. 0
    4 May 2023 09: 48
    Worse than articles about Ivan the Terrible on VO can only be comments under these articles
    1. -1
      4 May 2023 12: 57
      Well, no, there are still articles about the Mongols - Tatars.
  9. +2
    4 May 2023 20: 25
    The note is interesting.
    The historian Radzinsky interprets this episode as follows

    Only I would beware of calling the playwright Radzinsky a historian.
    1. +2
      4 May 2023 20: 53
      The note is interesting.
      My respect, Sergey!
      Are you seriously???
      1. 0
        4 May 2023 22: 16
        Well, Anton, I am generally far from this topic, for my zero approximation it will do. Although the author's style is somewhat annoying, I'm already used to different styles on VO.
  10. 0
    4 May 2023 23: 22
    It's good that there are people who are not indifferent to national history. It would take years to read all the books on which such articles are based. Thanks to the author for a patriotic look at historical events and convincing logical conclusions! It is a pity that modern professional historians are afraid to openly state their opinion, which does not coincide with Karamzin's "scripture".
  11. 0
    5 May 2023 08: 52
    Quote: Bububu
    What did you want? Monarchy ... did not grow up to democracy


    Historical experience shows that some nations, having tasted democracy (or republic), for some reason introduced a monarchy.
    The ancient Greeks, who invented this democracy, eventually became autocratic Byzantines.
    The Romans moved from their seemingly perfect republic to Caesarism, to empire.
    The freedom-loving British, after the era of Cromwell, again wanted a monarchy. Proud of their liberalism, they are licking the heels of representatives of a foreign dynasty, and even thrilled with
    pride and pleasure.