The future Empress Theodora. The incredible fate of the hetaera and the circus artist

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The future Empress Theodora. The incredible fate of the hetaera and the circus artist
J. Constant "Empress Theodora in the box of the circus"


Some episodes of the world stories so implausible that such plots are not expected to be encountered even when reading tabloid novels. However, they are described in serious sources, the authenticity of which there is no reason to doubt.



One of these almost impossible heroines is Theodora, who went from a circus dancer to the empress of the Eastern Roman Empire in a fantastic way. Contemporary authors, and later historians after them, did not spare her, depicting her not only dissolute, but also vindictive, vindictive and cruel. Procopius of Caesarea, for example, wrote of her:

“No one has ever seen Theodora reconcile with the one who annoyed her, even after his death. But the son of the deceased, as if something that belonged to his father, having inherited the enmity of Vasilisa, passed it on to the third generation. For her ardor, extremely disposed to be aroused in order to destroy people, was completely incapable of appeasement.

But the Church turned out to be more indulgent, canonizing her together with her husband, Emperor Justinian I. Dimitri of Rostov writes about this couple in the Lives of the Saints:

“Thus, living in purity and piety, Justinian reigned for 39 years and died peacefully in the Lord. For the merits of the Church and for piety, he was canonized after death as a saint. Together with him, his wife, Empress Theodora, who was at first a sinner, but then repented and spent the rest of her life in purity and piety, was canonized.

Of course, ruling monarchs of either sex are holy and pious only in the Lives. However, Feodora was not even some incredible monster - Caligula in a female guise, and does not stand out much among her contemporaries and contemporaries.

The Secret History of Procopius of Caesarea


One of the main sources about Theodora's life is The Secret History - a pamphlet by Procopius of Caesarea, secretary of the famous Byzantine commander Belisarius.

The French historian of the XNUMXth century E. Renan, after reading this work, called the imperial court of Constantinople "the world of poisoners, murderers and unbridled madmen." In Byzantium itself, this work, apparently, was little known, but it was not forgotten either. Under the name Anekdota (unpublished), it is mentioned in the "Court" - an encyclopedic dictionary of the X-XI centuries. Knew about him and lived in the XII-XIII centuries. church historian Nicephorus Callixtus.

The next mention refers to the 1623th century - the French naturalist and translator Pierre Gilles speaks about the "Secret History" in his writings. And in the XNUMXth century, Niccolo Alamanni found two manuscripts of The Secret History in the Vatican library at once, but the book of Procopius was published only in XNUMX - in Lyon.


Historia Arcana, 1623 edition

At the end of the 12th century, the number of found manuscripts of the book of Procopius reached 8, new copies were found in the Ambrosian Library of Milan (XNUMX), the Riccardian Library of Florence and the National Library of Paris (one each). The earliest of these manuscripts date from the XNUMXth century.

It was Procopius of Caesarea who turned out to be the most fierce and implacable critic of Theodora. Fortunately, other sources have been preserved, where the activities and personality of this empress are assessed more objectively.

The origin and early years of Theodora's life


The future empress was born in the year 500 into a family of circus performers, whom some call immigrants from the island of Cyprus. They say that Theodora was born in the city of Famagusta. Her father was a bear trainer, her mother was an actress, Theodora was the second of three daughters born to this couple. The family lived in poverty, and after the death of its head (Theodora was then 5 years old) she found herself on the verge of poverty, from which her mother’s new marriage did not help either.

It is not surprising that all three girls from a very early age began to earn extra money in the circus. At the same time, according to Procopius, the eldest of the sisters, Komito, was the star of the performances. About Theodora, he disparagingly writes that she was

"Hetaera from those that in ancient times were called" infantry ". For she was neither a flutist nor a harpist, she did not even learn to dance, but only sold her youthful beauty.

But elsewhere the same author reports that Theodora

"she was unusually elegant and witty, because of this, everyone was delighted with her."

It is hardly possible to blame the young girl for the fact that the "most respectable public" was interested only in very frank numbers with her participation. In any case, the half-poor Theodora had little choice - to earn money with obscene numbers in the circus or go straight to the port brothel. In his Secret History, Procopius gives the following details of Theodora's speeches:

“Often in the theater, in full view of all the people, she took off her dress and found herself naked in the middle of the meeting, having only a narrow strip on her groin and shameful places, not, however, because she was ashamed to show them to the people, but because no one was allowed to appear here completely naked without a bandage. In this form, she arched back and lay on her back. The ministers who were entrusted with this work threw grains of barley on her shameful places, and the geese, specially prepared for this purpose, pulled them out with their beaks and ate them.

Procopius also speaks about the attitude of the townspeople towards the young Theodora:

“When any of the more decent people happened to meet her in the market, they turned away and hastily moved away from her so as not to touch the clothes of this woman and thus not to stain themselves with this evil spirits. For those who saw her, especially in the morning, this was considered a bad omen.”

Another contemporary of Theodora, John of Ephesus, is more sympathetic towards this woman, but also in the Lives of the Eastern Saints calls her "Theodora from the brothel." And Procopius also reports on the numerous pregnancies of the future empress, which ended in miscarriages. Some authors speak of two children of Theodora, born by her before her marriage to Justinian. The same Procopius claims that she had a son, John, who was brought up in his father's family in Arabia. He also speaks of a daughter whose son (Theodora's grandson) married the daughter of the commander Belisarius.

In general, there can be no doubt that in the first years of her life, the future empress really led a very reprehensible lifestyle. Therefore, one has only to be surprised at the strength of her character, which allowed this girl to radically change her fate and get out of such mud.

Patriarch Sevir of Antioch, personally acquainted with Theodora, called her “the queen who honors Christ,” and Bishop John of Ephesus called her “the faithful queen.” The chronicler Michael the Syrian states that Theodora "cared for the world of the churches more than her husband." John Malala in his "Chronography" says that this empress built a "monastery of repentance" on the banks of the Bosphorus for former hetairas and prostitutes with a very strict charter - so strict that, according to Procopius of Caesarea, some "harlots" could not stand it and ended in despair life of suicide.

John Malala also reports that Theodora bought girls from the owners of brothels, who were sold to them by their impoverished parents.

Transfiguration of Theodora


Theodora was already quite famous and even popular in Constantinople, when she suddenly left the capital of the empire for Alexandria - she went there together with the imperial official Hekebol, who was appointed archon of Pentapolis. Perhaps she was already hatching plans to change her fate, but her lover did not justify her hopes and soon left her.

It was said that she again returned to the craft of hetaera, but at the same time she met influential supporters of the teachings of the Monophysites, who recognized only one divine essence in Christ. Among her acquaintances were the patriarchs Timothy IV of Alexandria and Severus of Antioch (the future saint), communication with which had a great influence on the young woman.

A completely different Theodora returned to Constantinople, who began to lead a modest lifestyle and earn a living by spinning yarn. At this time, she met the future emperor Justinian, who either accidentally saw this girl through the window, or was introduced to her by the actress Macedonia, in whose house Theodora rented a room.

Justinian


Procopius of Caesarea describes Justinian as a very white-skinned man, of short stature and inclined to some corpulence, who had early bald patches and gray hairs. But his health was excellent, he was distinguished by endurance, slept little (and received the nickname "Sleepless Sovereign"), was unpretentious in food, moderate in drinking wine. But he was ambitious and appropriated the title "isapostol" - "equal to the apostles".

The character of Justinian, apparently, was very controversial. The brave and resolute commander sometimes behaved like the last coward (this was especially evident during the Nika uprising). At times he was magnanimous and generous, but at other times he was pettily stingy. He could show generosity, but more often he was vindictive, cunning and merciless towards enemies.


Supposed image of Justinian on the mosaic of the Church of Sant'Apollinare Nuovo, Ravenna

And this is how Justinian (performed by I. Smoktunovsky) was seen by the audience of the Soviet film “Original Rus'” (1986):


The future emperor was born either in 482 or in 483 in the Byzantine prefecture of Illyria, which included two dioceses - Macedonia and Dacia.


Monument to Justinian I in Skopje (capital of North Macedonia)

Most researchers believe that the future emperor was a Thracian, although it has been suggested that he was of Slavic origin. Initially, it bore the name Upravda (Upravda). But they also talk about another name - Peter Savvaty. Justinian could not boast of a “high origin”: his parents were peasants. The testimony of Procopius of Caesarea is curious:

“They say that the mother of Justinian used to tell someone close to him that he was not born from her husband Savvaty and not from any person. Before she became pregnant with him, a demon visited her, invisible, but left her with the impression that he was with her and had intercourse with her like a man with a woman, and then disappeared as in a dream.

The story is, frankly, not original. Many rulers claimed to have been born from their mother's connection with some kind of deity, for example, Alexander the Great, his diadochi Ptolemy and Seleucus.

The boy's uncle, Justin, who began military service as a simple legionnaire in the army of Emperor Leo I, made a good career in Constantinople, rising to the important position of head of the palace guards. Being childless, he called his nephew to the capital of the empire, and later even adopted him. When adopted, the young man received a new name - Justinian. The illiterate campaigner Justin made sure that his 25-year-old relative received a good education, and then he was hired as the bodyguard of the emperor. In July 518, after the death of Emperor Anastasius I, Justin managed to seize power, and his nephew became the head of his guard.


Solidus of Emperor Justin I

In the next article, we will talk about the fateful meeting of Justinian and Theodora. About how Justinian ascended the throne, and Theodora became empress. And about the further fate of this, of course, strong and outstanding woman.
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  1. +1
    April 28 2023 07: 19
    The author slightly corrected and edited * notes of contemporaries *, but did not mention something. And it turned out to be a fairy tale.
    This future empress performed at the Parnay Theatre. Does the title say anything? He skillfully served * clients * for which he was * brought closer to the throne *. Contemporaries specifically mentioned malevolence and vindictiveness. Contemporaries wrote a lot about the Empress and everything about animal passions and incredible cruelty. no one about her mind, wisdom, or at least about common sense. No, only about torture and about intrigue.
    Years passed and the church suddenly made her a saint. After more than one century, * eyewitnesses * began to write about her incredible * holiness * and * loyalty to the church *.
    Apparently * Reverend Kshesinskaya * will appear soon. And what? She danced, served customers so much that they were delighted. The excellent service of Nicholas No. 2 is especially emphasized.
    Our Russian Orthodox Church merged in * love and harmony * with the Greek Catholic Orthodox Church abroad and adopted the ideology of those who served the interventionists and * whites * in the Civil War, then served the Nazis, then served the American-French-English and other Euroshushera.
    1. +4
      April 28 2023 07: 41
      Quote: Vasily50
      Our Russian Orthodox Church has merged in * love and harmony * with the Greek Catholic Orthodox Church Abroad

      What does it mean? and, Greek Catholic and Orthodox.
      Quote: Vasily50
      then served the Nazis

      Stalin, at a meeting with the hierarchs of the Church, in 1943, thanked them for the help to the Russian Church, which they provided to the army.
      1. -1
        April 28 2023 07: 52
        Yeah, really.
        The Greek Catholic Orthodox Church in the SOVIET UNION in 1943 self-named * RUSSIAN Orthodox Church * - ROC.
        IOSIF VISSARIONOVICH STALIN thanked the Russian Orthodox Church for their help in the fight against the Nazis.
        But the Greek Catholic Orthodox Church abroad at that moment was serving Nazi Germany.
        Now these churches have merged in * love and harmony * and completely accepted the * ideology * of the lackeys of the Nazis-Americans-French-British and other enemies of the SOVIET UNION, and now RUSSIA.
      2. +7
        April 28 2023 08: 44
        Quote: bober1982
        What does it mean?

        But no way. And you don't have to break your head.
        Have you, for example, read Erofeev's "Moscow-Petushki"? How should this be understood?
        It's a little better here.
      3. +3
        April 28 2023 10: 02
        At Stalin's in November 1941, there was a "wagon and cart" work, but he met with the acting patriarch, Sergius. Ordered: to open theological seminaries, to transfer to the church a publishing house and a magazine: "Godless".
      4. 0
        April 29 2023 22: 12
        Don't confuse God's gift with eggs. Communication between the Moscow Patriarchate (restored by Stalin) and the Russian Orthodox Church abroad has been restored. There are no canonical differences at all. There are different attitudes towards power
    2. VLR
      +5
      April 28 2023 07: 51
      To be honest, I'm very surprised. Apparently, indeed, everyone in any article sees only what they want to see and read. The entire first half of the article is devoted to the story of Theodora's bitter and "unlucky" youth. A quotation is given that contains a statement about her cruelty and vindictiveness. No "varnish". And it is reported that Theodora "was brought closer to the court" after her return from Alexandria - at a time when she did not render "intimate services" to anyone. It is clearly indicated that her contemporaries were the first to talk about the piety of the Empress! Not in a few centuries. How could all this be overlooked?
      1. +5
        April 28 2023 08: 56
        The entire first half of the article is devoted to the story of Theodora's bitter and "unlucky" youth.
        This half is presented with such gusto laughing And on the other hand, you say bitter and "unlucky" youth. And what did she have, some other way? Such as, for example, in the Soviet film "The Bright Path" with the brilliant Lyubov Orlova? Was she supposed to go to work on the "shock construction" of feudalism? What was her other path? For a not bitter and "traveling" youth?
      2. +3
        April 28 2023 09: 01
        The story is strange, something is missing in it. From the episode with "yarn and modesty" breathes either recovery from illness, or espionage deeds. And then - why did she welcome the priests, and not hang them? Also strange.
    3. +1
      April 28 2023 23: 37
      Do not mix soft with warm. Already for one phrase, the nickname is worthy of respect
  2. +8
    April 28 2023 07: 32
    The time described by Valery is one of the darkest spots of the Eastern Roman Empire. Perhaps the closest historical tracing paper from our national history is the era of palace coups.
    In relation to Theodora, I think it is useless to delve into her dirty linen. Why? Yes, because in all her actions she acted like a woman!
    Good morning everyone, thank you Valery for starting an interesting cycle. I hope at least three articles, with respect Vlad!
    1. +2
      April 28 2023 08: 02
      [B]
      In relation to Theodora, I think it is useless to delve into her dirty laundry.
      / b] The author, something to dig in women's underwear, was drawn. Apparently, some kind of emotional crisis. smile
      1. VLR
        +4
        April 28 2023 08: 09
        Well, just, "wonderful" discussion started. A certain Vasily reproaches that there are few "details", another - only "details" and sees. To be honest, I didn't expect this from you.
        1. -1
          April 28 2023 08: 20
          Ryzhov
          Do not lie.
          I don't need details.
          I pointed to the *edit-edition* of the testimonies written by contemporaries of those events and about the *miraculous appearance* of witnesses of those events centuries later.
          By the way, Dmitry Rostovsky is mentioned in the text. Is it his current church that is shoving into * the founder-builders * of Rostov-on-Don?
          1. +1
            April 28 2023 08: 51
            Quote: Vasily50
            By the way, Dmitry Rostovsky is mentioned in the text. Is it his current church that is shoving into * the founder-builders * of Rostov-on-Don?

            You speak in some riddles, by the way, the saint actively fought with the Old Believers, apparently for this reason, his mention had an effect on you like a red rag on a bull.
            1. +3
              April 28 2023 09: 08
              beaver
              Is it okay that this * saint * and * founder-builder * lived * strongly * BEFORE the foundation of Rostov-on-Don?
              Yes. This * hierarch * was sadistic. He loved to watch people burn alive. And for some reason he especially liked to burn women.
              1. +2
                April 28 2023 09: 28
                To be honest, I thought for a long time what you mean, now I understand what's going on.
                Of course, the saint was not the founder of the city of Rostov-on-Don, already after the death of St. Dmitry of Rostov, by the decree of Elizabeth Petrovna, the customs fortress on the Don was given the name of the saint, at that time he was canonized.
                So, all claims to Elizabeth Petrovna.
                1. +1
                  April 28 2023 12: 48
                  It turns out that you are *much* more educated than the ministers in the ROC. They claim that this sadist was precisely * the founder-builder * of Rostov-on-Don. About Elizabeth with her decree on renaming the Temernitsky Customs to Rostov-on-Don in the Russian Orthodox Church * they don’t remember, they don’t know *.
                  1. +1
                    April 28 2023 18: 33
                    Quote: Vasily50
                    They approve

                    Quote: Vasily50
                    was exactly * the founder-builder * of Rostov-on-Don

                    You are confused, in geography, I mean Rostov-on-Don and ancient Rostov the Great in the Yaroslavl region.
                    No one has ever, in the Russian Church, claimed that the saint was the founder of these cities, these are your fantasies.
              2. 0
                April 28 2023 14: 18
                "He loved to burn women" - some kind of perversion, but if the "Old Believers" had won, they would have "comed off" pr full
                1. 0
                  April 29 2023 22: 18
                  Yes, the oak comrade collapsed. Never mind
              3. +1
                April 28 2023 18: 50
                Quote: Vasily50
                Yes. This *saint*

                Catherine II made a walking pilgrimage to his relics, Elizabeth Petrovna in honor of him named the fortress, the current city of Rostov-on-Don, the saint was highly valued by Pushkin, Gogol, Dostoevsky, in the family of Nicholas II, reading the works of the saint was a daily and much, much more .
        2. +2
          April 28 2023 08: 35
          What's unexpected? You have some kind of manner, in dirty linen, to dig. Not the first article. "Yellowness" gives away, boulevard.
          1. VLR
            +5
            April 28 2023 08: 44
            And you, it turns out, are a moralist! So, you should write only about characters who are impeccable in everything they wear, so as not to inadvertently offend your morality? To hell with all kinds of Louis, Catherine, Borgia, Caligul - otherwise, inadvertently, you will "dishonor". And also all sorts of ancient Greeks with their free morals.
            1. +2
              April 28 2023 09: 11
              Somehow it’s all the same about the * appearance of morality * of this empress.
              But after all, her churchmen vpendyurili in the saints - as a model of a woman.
            2. 0
              April 28 2023 09: 21
              God forbid, what kind of moralist am I? I understand, for example, why the Aztecs sacrificed "humans", and I cannot condemn this cruelty. Can you imagine what a monster I am?
              To hell with any Louis, Catherine, Borgia, Caligul
              Oh, come on smile Louis and others listed, you won’t believe, my morals are not offended laughing From the word
              at all. smile Like the ancient Greeks with their free morals. laughing I wrote earlier, you dump out the facts, but you don’t want to understand the reasons for these facts. The main thing is that the reader, ofigel from what he read.
              1. +1
                April 28 2023 09: 49
                There would be a desire to understand. And if it is not there, then, of course: under each sentence you need to make a footnote: I wanted to say this and that, and the conclusion must be drawn as follows
          2. +2
            April 28 2023 10: 21
            Lesh, welcome. Previously, Vic Nick "pulled" Valery, and now you?
            No offense to Valery, he is an excellent author, but at times he is "carried away"
            1. +1
              April 28 2023 11: 11
              VikNik, this, as I understand it, is the one who was banned 10 times here for constant rudeness? And his last nickname was 11th? I suspect that he is not up to VO now - I suppose, he serves in the Bandera Terodefense
              1. +2
                April 28 2023 11: 43
                Quote: vet
                VikNik, this, as I understand it, is the one

                You get to lick Ryzhov's anus sincerely and with inspiration, everything else is so-so. laughing Keep doing what you know how, and do not try to speak out about something other than Valery's articles - in this case, your stupidity is not so noticeable. bully
                1. +4
                  April 28 2023 12: 15
                  Dear Mikhail, I always try my best to be correct with you. Yes, once podogitsya, but you are vindictive. As for VikNick: well, I don’t like narcissistic people, even if they know, who start calling dissenters a little hamsters, and loudly complain about the set minuses. This type with his aplomb and his ambitions was unpleasant to me.
                  1. +2
                    April 28 2023 12: 59
                    I'm not vindictive, but consistent. At the same time, I readily change my opinion about people if I see reasons for such a change.
                    Well, about Viktor Nikolaevich, you just wrote nonsense. Rather, they managed to fit several nonsense at once in one short comment. Excuse me, I will not disclose or substantiate this thesis of mine, I do not like behind-the-scenes discussions. I just suggest you take note of it, nothing more.
                    1. +4
                      April 28 2023 15: 33
                      Empress Theodora. The incredible fate of the hetaera and the circus artist

                      The article is about Theodore, and the illustrations in the article are mostly Justinian. Need to fix
                      a photo Image of Theodora from the portrait mosaic in the Basilica of San Vitale, Ravenna

                      a photo Empress Theodora with retinue.

                      The most famous image of Empress Theodora is a mosaic in the Basilica of San Vitale in Ravenna, unique in that it is in her lifetime (546-547), and has also survived to this day.

                      The Empress and her husband are depicted on two mosaic panels, which are located on the walls of the apse. Both rulers are depicted as donors, standing apart, they lead two processions bringing gifts to the temple. Both spouses hold sacrificial liturgical vessels in their hands.

                      a photo. Head of Empress Theodora. Castello Sforzesco, Milan
                      1. VLR
                        +3
                        April 28 2023 15: 38
                        Good afternoon. I did not find images of "hetaera Theodora". There will be more illustrations in the next article, including this head from Sforza Castle
                      2. +1
                        April 28 2023 17: 17
                        Dmitry "Richard" good health. In my opinion: Fedora was not the most beautiful
                      3. +3
                        April 28 2023 21: 26
                        In my opinion: Fedora was not the most beautiful

                        Is it only for beauty?
                        And he loved her without a doubt. For Justinian, she was not only a faithful wife, but also a like-minded person. Not many rulers in history can boast of this. He took her loss hard. The same Procopius of Caesarea writes:
                        Everything in her life was - and a shameful beginning, and a great reign. Everything in this world has a beginning and an end. She was buried with full imperial honors in the Church of the Twelve Apostles in Constantinople. Justinian after the death of his wife, giving solemn promises, swore by her name, which he immortalized in the names of many cities and provinces of Byzantium and conquered territories. In memory of his wife, Justinian in the monastery of St. Catherine on Sinai in the main basilica, built on his instructions, ordered to make an inscription: "To the repose of the blessed memory of Empress Theodora." After Theodora's death, the widowed Justinian remained faithful to her memory and did not remarry.


                        PS. Procopius of Caesarea: Everything in this world has a beginning and an end.
                        These phrases of Procopius of Caesarea and his lines about how Justinian experienced the death of Theodora for some reason inspired the song of O. Mityaev
              2. +3
                April 28 2023 12: 38
                Quote: vet
                VikNik, this, as I understand it, is the one who was banned 10 times here for constant rudeness? And his last nickname was 11th? I suspect that he is not up to VO now - I suppose, he serves in the Bandera Terodefense

                The last one was 12!
                Regarding the fact that VikNik sold out - I don’t believe that person!
                1. +5
                  April 28 2023 13: 00
                  Why would he sell? Not seen in collaborationism. He made his position quite clear.
                  1. +2
                    April 28 2023 13: 08
                    But he's from Ukraine. There, now everyone’s roof has moved out on nationalist soil, even among Russian-speaking and recently adequate people
                    1. +2
                      April 28 2023 13: 16
                      So far, I am observing an anomalous concentration of those who have gone here, to VO. Sometimes, especially stubborn people get into the historical department and try to pedal the Ukrainian theme anywhere, for example, when discussing one basilisa
                    2. +3
                      April 28 2023 15: 35
                      I have a friend: with her mother and grandmother, citizens of Russia, and her father, uncle and brother are howling against us. Her husband, a sailor officer, is waiting for death at home: Islamov has all his relatives. It's all messed up right now
                2. +2
                  April 28 2023 22: 00
                  Regarding the fact that VikNik sold out - I don’t believe that person!

                  "They arranged a chamomile here - I believe it or not" (c) kf "Gentlemen of Fortune" smile
                  Wouldn't it be easier to just ask him? At sergej_84
              3. +2
                April 28 2023 14: 35
                "Serves Theroborone" he is sarcastic truth. Most likely, he did not notice me, but I want to think good about him.
                I, as a woman, sympathize with their people: most were not delighted with the leadership, and now, by the "mercy" of the leadership, they have a NIGHTMARE.
      2. +3
        April 28 2023 09: 48
        Quote: parusnik
        The author, something for digging in women's underwear, was drawn

        What does "pull" mean? Attempts to look into the bedrooms of the heroes of his articles have always been characteristic of Valery, starting from those ancient times when he wrote about Genghis Khan with Borte and Yaroslav with Ingigerda.
        I noticed a long time ago that Valery positions himself as a bearer of morality close to puritanical, all the more it seems strange to me that he is so intense, I would say, reverent interest in alcove themes. At the same time, women who lead an active and varied sexual life are clearly condemned by him, while he forgives men for their exploits in the field of reproductive activity and even, as in the case, for example, with Alcibiades, can speak of them as some kind of laudable achievement.
        So, if we talk about digging in someone else's underwear, then the author has been "pulled" in this direction for a long time.
        Although I don’t read every article by Valery, so I may have missed some additional tilt in this direction lately.
        1. +5
          April 28 2023 10: 06
          Attempts to look into the bedrooms of the heroes
          Secrets, bedrooms, much more interesting smile than social processes, the transition from one stage of social formation to another. It is easier to accuse F. Engels of Russophobia than to read and understand his work "The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State." So, for the sake of example.
        2. +4
          April 28 2023 10: 40
          Two more "forbidden" topics found! How many who want to "castrate" history!
        3. +8
          April 28 2023 11: 58
          At the same time, women who lead an active and varied sexual life are clearly condemned by him, while he forgives men for their exploits in the field of reproductive activity and even, as in the case, for example, with Alcibiades, can speak of them as some kind of laudable achievement.

          Button accordion joke
          A woman comes to an Eastern sage.
          Wise One, why is it honorable for a man to have many women, but for a woman many men are shameful?
          A sage sitting at a tea ceremony table:
          -There are seven teapots with different tea recipes and seven empty cups. Pour from any teapot into all seven cups and try tea from any.
          - Delicious, wise one. Wonderful tea.
          - And now pour from all the teapots into one cup and try ..
          - It's delicious too. I like it even better
          -Get out, d***!!!! Ruined this story...
        4. +4
          April 28 2023 15: 57
          The author, something for digging in women's underwear, was drawn

          Well, why immediately? The theme of Theodora in the concept of femininity is also relevant among modern trendsetters
          a photo. Dolce & Gabbana Collection "Byzantium 2013-2014"
    2. +7
      April 28 2023 10: 36
      The time described by Valery is one of the darkest spots of the Eastern Roman Empire.

      Vladislav welcome!
      I dare to object to you, although I did not want to laughing
      On the contrary, the VI century. the clearest: a huge number of sources: written, other narrative, there are many monuments (St. Sophia, St. Irina, "small" St. Irina, the whole Ravenna, Pula, etc. what is worth) + archeology, some pixid pieces 40 around the world . About the tighter Theodora - everything is clear as daylight. But the VII-VIII, and even the IX centuries. that's where the "dark ages" are. There are no sources - a lot of speculation.
      hi
      1. +4
        April 28 2023 12: 48
        Good day Edward!
        In the "dark spot" I put a different meaning. In the XNUMXth century, processes began in the Eastern Roman Empire that rocked Byzantium until its collapse. In fact, the reign of Justian shine and the first collapse of the empire. Subsequently, with rare exceptions, the rulers of Constantinople ran into another rake, repeating the fate of Justian, only on a smaller scale.
        If so, this is my personal opinion.
      2. +1
        April 29 2023 22: 28
        And the code of Justinian. It seems that the concept of "law" began with him. Procopius from Caesarea is still a beetle. Compare his "war with ..." and anecdote
    3. +3
      April 28 2023 23: 49
      Justinian and Theodora the height of the greatness of the eastern empire of the Romans
  3. +1
    April 28 2023 07: 58
    One of these almost impossible heroines is Theodora, who went from a circus dancer to the empress of the Eastern Roman Empire in a fantastic way.
    Right now, you can write about one impossible hero who, from the director of a furniture store, made it to the ministers of defense of one country, and then, from being accused of a crime, became a witness to the crime he committed. And still in command posts. Here this is a plot. And Theodora, a trifle.
    1. +2
      April 28 2023 10: 47
      Said rogue is an ordinary character, widespread and boring. These are everywhere and always in bulk. In here is Theodora and Cleopatra - Personalities.
      1. 0
        April 28 2023 13: 30
        Specified rogue
        The time has not yet come, swindler, to erect a monument or his name, to open a cultural and historical center. laughing I remember the articles on this resource, how from the beginning they dipped him into a vat, with a known substance, and then approved his actions. laughing
      2. +1
        April 28 2023 17: 33
        Here is Theodora "I agree: Taburetkin against Theodora" a pot-bellied trifle "he has already been almost forgotten. Well, there WAS such a swindler, and now, somewhere in third place from the back. And Theodora will not be forgotten. Already a very bright biography
  4. +1
    April 28 2023 08: 13
    Quote: VlR
    And it is reported that Theodora "was brought closer to the court" after her return from Alexandria - at a time when she did not render "intimate services" to anyone. It is clearly indicated that her contemporaries were the first to talk about the piety of the Empress!


    She gave to the governor of Pentapolis, because she was his kept woman. And then Justinian also drew attention to her, but Theodora no longer wanted to be a simple kept woman with a "daddy", she swindled Justinian to the fullest.

    In short...there are no former whores! Especially if they become a whore not due to circumstances, but by vocation. There is no doubt that Theodora adorned her crowned husband with very spreading horns. laughing
    1. VLR
      +4
      April 28 2023 08: 35
      Having left Constantinople, where by that time she had everything "in openwork" - popularity, "fans", money, Theodora tried to change her fate - the first attempt failed. As for the "horns" of Justinian, no. Even the main ill-wisher of Theodora, Procopius of Caesarea, who wrote 90% of the nasty things known now about her, insists on her loyalty to the emperor. "Special easy virtue" Theodora became out of severe need, and sought to get rid of this craft.
    2. +2
      April 28 2023 08: 38
      Quote: Illanatol
      There is no doubt that Theodora adorned her crowned husband with very spreading horns

      Not entirely true, but rather - a very rude and arrogant statement.
      The status of the Byzantine (Roman) woman, as well as the empress, changed significantly after the III-IV Ecumenical Councils, when the heresy, which belittled the role of the Mother of God herself, was put an end to.
      And, if before the destruction of this heresy, there was a bestial attitude towards a woman, as to the seducer of Adam, then as Rome became Christianized and after the destruction of this heresy, the position of the woman herself changed, and of course the Byzantine empresses themselves, including Theodora - The Queen of Heaven herself became their Patron.
    3. +1
      April 28 2023 23: 53
      Haven't taken a shower for a long time... who else will throw a stone???
  5. +3
    April 28 2023 08: 58
    Roast seems to be expected discussion. But not as desired. Guys, after all, you are not cats and March is already over to get so excited. Not ashamed? Do you want to know more about Ferdor? Only "yellowness" was considered by some.
    1. 0
      April 28 2023 09: 18
      In the life of this saint, however, not only in her life, except for *yellowness*, there was nothing else.
      It is amazing that the church elevated this frank rubbish to * saints *, i.e. model for Christian women.
    2. +3
      April 28 2023 13: 05
      Quote: vet
      Roast seems to be expected discussion. But not as desired. Guys, after all, you are not cats and March is already over to get so excited. Not ashamed? Do you want to know more about Ferdor? Only "yellowness" was considered by some.

      Well, it’s not necessary to say so categorically for everyone! More precisely, the Kotovskaya component of the branch's regulars has always prevailed over other representatives of nature !!! Even judging by the nicknames and avatars of members of the forum. However, a couple of canines, one trilobite and, paradoxically, more than one hamster even fit into our company !!! laughing
      So eternal March is normal, as well as until May 31 inclusive!!!
      The question is different, Valery and not only he has a tendency to get carried away. Whether this is good or bad, I don’t know, I personally accept his work as they are, if I don’t agree, I argue, I agree, I support. The main thing is that he does not leave us indifferent to his works. As for the “shape-morality” of his heroines, I always listen to the opinion of our “girls”, they understand this much better than we do!
      Regards, Kote!
      1. +1
        April 28 2023 17: 49
        "to the opinion of our" girls "I deliberately waited for all our" young ladies "to speak out. But no. There is no one except for Katya's "chanterelle". I wanted to say:" spring, vegetable garden ", and then I remembered. They are city dwellers and they have others chores
    3. +6
      April 28 2023 16: 07
      By whom he was born and died, this is probably the worst thing in the world, the lack of a social elevator and the opportunity to escape from darkness and poverty. Therefore, I have always been very interested and interested in success stories, from the category I was nobody, but became everything. It was precisely such a woman, IMHO, that Empress Theodora was, a product of the lower classes of society, an artist, a getter, who managed to become Empress Byzantium, and then a saint. This woman invented and created herself. The extraordinary beauty and the boundlessness of Theodora's vicious courage alone cannot explain the unrelenting authority that she acquired over Justinian and which captured not only the private life of her husband, but also his state activities. Sharing the labors of government with Justinian, she undoubtedly showed outstanding talents. This suggests that in the gloomy stories of the biased Procopius about the debauchery and even the atrocities of Theodora, there is a lot of slander, or at least exaggeration. In any case, it is not for us to judge her. You can "pick the bones" as much as you like, but the fact remains - Justinian and Theodora, the nephew of a swineherd and a former actress and kept woman, became the most powerful couple in the history of Byzantium.
      1. +4
        April 28 2023 16: 26
        By whom he was born and died, this is probably the worst thing in the world, the lack of a social elevator and the opportunity to escape from darkness and poverty.
        In the Middle Ages, sometimes the social lift ended in a fire or a gallows...
        My compliments, Dmitry!
        1. +5
          April 28 2023 16: 39
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          social lift ended with a fire or a gallows

          Not the worst thing. It seems that if those who want to join the struggle for power will know for sure that they are putting their lives on the line, and that defeat in this struggle is inevitable death, there would be fewer random people in politics, and more responsibility. smile
          In this regard, I like the ancient Greeks. You can come up with a legislative initiative, but if the law does not pass - "the author drink yada" smile
          1. +3
            April 28 2023 17: 03
            Hmmm... Do you think Michael, Arno of Brescian or Jeanne d'Arc fought for power? The second example is exceptionally remarkable in comparison with Theodora.
            1. +1
              April 28 2023 17: 56
              Anton, good evening. Somehow my memory fails me: I can't remember: "Arno of Brescia" as Holmes said: "what did he do"?
            2. +4
              April 28 2023 18: 02
              What are the characters mentioned here? I did not say that only those who participated in the political process were executed. There were other reasons as well. smile
              As for Jeanne, I don’t see any parallels with Theodora at all, except perhaps as an example of a complete and absolute, diametrical dissimilarity of types and destinies.
              But by the way, both Arno and Jeanne, and many others who could be cited as an example, such as Jan Hus, participated in the political struggle in one way or another, although both were more tools than subjects of this struggle.
  6. +6
    April 28 2023 09: 00
    There are some strange debates about morality going on here. It is unlikely that a woman could achieve such a position due to a known method. The emperors were full of such goodness. So there was something else about her.
    1. +5
      April 28 2023 09: 22
      Quote: Reader
      There are some strange debates about morality going on here. It is unlikely that a woman could achieve such a position due to a known method. The emperors were full of such goodness. So there was something else about her.

      Uh-huh, just the day before yesterday on the street, out of the corner of my ear, I heard a conversation between three girls - “damn, and where - this bitch dyed such a guy grabbed” !!! One and a half thousand years have passed, and "things are still there" feel
      Someone can answer me what Gaius Julius Caesar found in Cleopatra or Maria Skavronskaya (Catherine I) - Peter I?
      1. +5
        April 28 2023 09: 39
        Julius found the queen of Egypt in Cleopatra, and Peter found a good woman in Catherine, but what?
        1. +2
          April 28 2023 13: 06
          Quote: Cartalon
          Julius found the queen of Egypt in Cleopatra, and Peter found a good woman in Catherine, but what?

          So Cleopatra, being a queen, could be a good "woman"!
      2. +2
        April 28 2023 10: 15
        Namesake, welcome. Didn't you hear: "Inscrutable are the ways, lord"?
      3. +4
        April 28 2023 11: 49
        About Cleopatra, we can definitely say that she was a very smart and educated woman, spoke many languages ​​​​and made her way to the throne not thanks to "special skills". Yes, in fact, she was the daughter of the ruler of Egypt, and not a circus performer. Therefore, Iie probably liked Caesar.
        Well, about Ekaterina ... She was good at doing massage of the collar zone and head)). Don't know. Peter did not tell
        1. +1
          April 28 2023 15: 47
          Quote: vladcub
          Namesake, welcome. Didn't you hear: "Inscrutable are the ways, lord"?


          Quote: Reader
          About Cleopatra, we can definitely say that she was a very smart and educated woman, spoke many languages ​​​​and made her way to the throne not thanks to "special skills". Yes, in fact, she was the daughter of the ruler of Egypt, and not a circus performer. Therefore, Iie probably liked Caesar ...

          From a historical anecdote - two professors, former classmates, meet, they begin to brag - one about the work of the other about his wife. The first asks the second, do you admire your wife so much, is she smart?
          - yes ordinary.
          - beautiful?
          - as everybody.
          - educated?
          - Well, I finished school.
          - so what's the mystery?
          - I feel good with her, and you're all about work.
          - Give it up, probably just because I'm not doing well at home!
          1. +5
            April 28 2023 18: 32
            An anecdote about our incomprehensible mentality to others. smile There is a similar and purely military one:
            There is a holiday in the officer's canteen. The commander sends the political officer to listen to what the officers are talking about at the table
            - Well?
            - About women and vodka
            - Good!
            An hour later sends again
            - Well?
            - About vodka and broads
            - Great!
            An hour later sends again
            - Well?
            - About weapons, tactics and strategy
            - All! Disperse them to hell. The bastards got drunk.
    2. +1
      April 29 2023 22: 37
      No one writes about the uprising of the Faanates. Justinian was about to run away, but Theodora stopped him. Porfira is my shroud. I'm sorry, I don't remember exactly
  7. +4
    April 28 2023 09: 36
    The article proceeds from the fact that the Secret History, Procopius can be considered a reliable source, and this is an ordinary political libel, like those where Catherine the Great was having fun with a horse.
    1. VLR
      +5
      April 28 2023 10: 00
      Alas, this is the most complete and basic source about the life of Theodora, which greatly influenced the formation of the "black legend" about her, about Byzantium. All historians are forced to use it. In other sources - fragmentary information that allows you to clarify and correct. And I try to relate to the "Secret History"
      be critical and objective.
      1. +6
        April 28 2023 10: 56
        Alas, this is the most complete and basic source about the life of Theodora, which greatly influenced the formation of the "black legend" about her, about Byzantium. All historians are forced to use it. In other sources - fragmentary information that allows you to clarify and correct.

        Valery welcome!
        The "Secret History" of Procopius of Caesarea - just sheds light on questions that would be hanging in the air without it. How and why? Why were such brilliant victories of the times of Justinian, in Africa, and especially in Italy, failed?
        Subsequent authors, such as Theophylact Simokatta, only emphasized this.
        If we judged by the history of this period only from Corippus or Johnan Lida, we would decide that the troops were all like in a parade of schoralaria, protectors or escubites. But the "Secret History" showed, to put it mildly, not a ceremonial situation, what were the reasons for the defeats and the sources of the troubles of the Roman Empire and the troubles of ordinary skutats.
        What you will probably write about in the next article: about Theodora's attitude towards one of the greatest commanders in history, Belisarius.

        hi hi
        1. +4
          April 28 2023 11: 22
          I think the plague of Justinian provides a better answer to these questions than a collection of gossip about the empress.
          1. +2
            April 28 2023 17: 35
            Bravo, Michael. It is a pity that more than one plus can not be put.
            It was the unprecedented plague epidemic that was the main factor in the troubles and misfortunes of the Roman Empire of Justinian.
            In Byzantium, the plague epidemic reached its peak around 544, when up to 5 thousand people died daily in Constantinople, and on some days the death rate reached 10 thousand. About 66 million people became victims of the plague in the East (two-thirds of the population of Constantinople died), in Europe up to 25 million people died from it
            1. +4
              April 28 2023 17: 48
              when up to 5 thousand people died daily in Constantinople, and on some days the death rate reached 10 thousand.
              I think it makes sense to reduce the numbers by an order of magnitude.
              1. +3
                April 28 2023 17: 56
                Anton, my compliments hi
                The data are taken from Supotnitsky M.V., Supotnitskaya N.S. "Essays on the history of the plague": In 2 books.
                By the way, M. Daniel in his work "The Secret Paths of the Bearers of Death" gives similar figures
                Contemporaries testimonies:
                Procopius of Caesarea: “There was no salvation for a man from the plague, no matter where he lived - neither in the palace, nor in the barracks, nor on the island, nor in the cave, nor on the top of the mountain ... Many houses were empty, and it happened that many died, for lack of relatives or servants lay unburned for several days. At this time, few people could be found at work. Most of the people that could be found on the street were those who carried the corpses. All trade froze, all artisans abandoned their craft ... "

                Evagrius Scholastic (he himself had been ill with the plague): “This ulcer was detected by various diseases: in some it started from the head, - moreover, the eyes filled with blood, the face swelled up, - then it moved to the throat and, having engulfed it, deprived a person of life; others had diarrhea; still others developed a swelling in the groin, and then an unusual fever, and they died on the next or third day, not at all realizing that they were sick and feeling strong in the body; others fell into insanity and in this state gave up the spirit; sometimes black ulcerative boils jumped up on the body and struck people with death; some, having been subjected to the plague once or twice, and having recovered from it, afterward were subjected to it again and died. The ways of borrowing the disease were so diverse that you can’t even count them: some died from the fact that they treated and ate with the sick; others - from one touch to them; others - having been only in the house, and those - in the square; some, having fled from the cities infected with the disease, themselves remained unharmed, but brought the disease with them to the healthy; and there were also those who, despite all that they lived with the sick and touched not only the infected, but also the dead, remained completely free from the disease; others, having lost all their children or household, although they wished to die and deliberately treated the sick, they were not exposed to the infection, as it would act contrary to their desire. This plague, as said, continues to rage until this time of 52 years, and has surpassed all former plagues. Meanwhile, Philostratus is also surprised that in his time the ulcer lasted 15 years.
                1. +3
                  April 28 2023 18: 41
                  Dmitry, I have great respect for Supotnitsky as a microbiologist and as a historian of microbiology, but in terms of demography... He is a complete failure.
  8. +3
    April 28 2023 10: 13
    Valery, thanks for Theodora. The topic is little known, and therefore interesting.
    By. S. I'm waiting for our ladies to appreciate it. It is interesting to compare: a male and female view of some historical figure
  9. +2
    April 28 2023 11: 41
    Albanians also claim Justinian - like, he was supposedly an Illyrian.
    1. +4
      April 28 2023 12: 26
      Quote: Paul Neumann
      Albanians also claim Justinian - like, he was supposedly an Illyrian.

      With all the shortcomings and virtues, almost all the emperors of the Eastern Roman Empire were, first of all, Romans! Even if they spoke Greek and were born in Macedonia, Illyria or Thrace. The imperial machine in "action", the main service, plus the presence of social lifts, a single space of language and religion. Regrettably, Byzantium drove the first nail into its coffin with its own hands by entering the noose of religious heresies! If she could have avoided it, it is still unknown how her story ended!!!
      1. +2
        April 28 2023 14: 50
        The whole history of the Eastern Roman Empire is sheer heresy, it didn’t live at all without religious disputes turning into stabbing
  10. +1
    April 28 2023 12: 29
    Good day everyone. At the "kvartsevani", the manager introduced a mandatory one (order of the Ministry of Health 1969! They forgot about it back in the USSR) and I have a "window".
    I read about famous women with pleasure, but I only know Theodora from novels.
    1. +2
      April 28 2023 15: 57
      Last week I beat off the service for gas masks EO-62 from KRU. I had to raise the GOSTs of 1978. However, the instructions for this brand of gas mask were never found even from manufacturers.
      By the way, the concept of administrative premises was found in the decree of the RSFSR of 1964. It's amazing it hasn't been canceled yet.
      1. +1
        April 28 2023 18: 39
        Last week I beat off the service for gas masks EO-62 from KRU. I had to raise the GOSTs of 1978. However, the instructions for this brand of gas mask were never found even from manufacturers

        And you couldn't find it. The gas mask is called PMG - 2. It is completed with a ShM-62 or ShM-66Mu helmet-mask and an EO-62K filter-absorbing box.
        1. +2
          April 28 2023 22: 13
          Sergey, if you explain two questions in the topic:
          1. The helmet-mask on gas masks was ShM-62u without an intercom (light gray) and holes for the ears.
          2. How is it different about GP-5.
          1. +1
            April 28 2023 23: 49
            Yes, practically nothing. PMG-2 is, in fact, GP-5. Only the first is considered military, and the second - civilian. And boxes in a complete set different on a filler.
  11. +2
    April 28 2023 13: 17
    Quote: VlR
    As for the "horns" of Justinian, no. Even the main ill-wisher of Theodora, Procopius of Caesarea, who wrote 90% of the nasty things known now about her, insists on her loyalty to the emperor. "Special easy virtue" Theodora became out of severe need, and sought to get rid of this craft.


    If they strongly insist on something, then this just inspires suspicion. Why would Procopius even touch on this topic, if Theodora was not publicly accused of treason?
    By the way, Procopius did not describe Theodora's voluptuousness ... well, about sophisticated ways of self-satisfaction? Or is it already the Marquis de Sade speculated?

    Well, yes, well, yes ... out of cruel need, of course! An excuse for all time. And, of course, she did not like this craft at all. laughing

    "Tell me, are there any honest women in your Paris?"
    - Of course, monsieur. But they are too expensive...
    1. +3
      April 28 2023 16: 38
      Voluptuousness described in full growth, obviously a staff of private detectives, followed her, from about 7 years old.
  12. +1
    April 28 2023 13: 26
    Quote: Reader
    There are some strange debates about morality going on here. It is unlikely that a woman could achieve such a position due to a known method. The emperors were full of such goodness.


    Of course, not only due to this. Of course, Theodora was distinguished by a sharp mind and was experienced in practical psychology, and she knew a lot about intrigues.
    But still, the first rapprochement was due to both external attractiveness, and sophistication in bed comforts.
    A man does not notice the mind of a woman in the first place. First of all, attention is paid to
    other... laughing
    It was possible that there was plenty of goodness. But when such goodness is full, it leads to satiety. And here you need a special talent of the "priestess of love" to inflame passion. This is not given to everyone ... Feodora undoubtedly had talent. She changed her VUS from "love infantry" to "aerobatics ace".
    1. +4
      April 28 2023 16: 23
      lllantolu "front end" would not be able to make its way. In those days, the "front end" is now too, you will not surprise anyone. Need intelligence and luck
  13. +3
    April 28 2023 13: 40
    Quote: bober1982
    The status of the Byzantine (Roman) woman, as well as the empress, changed significantly after the III-IV Ecumenical Councils, when the heresy, which belittled the role of the Mother of God herself, was put an end to.
    And, if before the destruction of this heresy, there was a bestial attitude towards a woman, as to the seducer of Adam, then as Rome became Christianized and, after the destruction of this heresy, the position of the woman herself changed,


    That is, prostitution has already been done away with?
    How did Theodora become a hetero if the Ecumenical Council (451 AD) had already canceled all this?

    Yes, of course, in the early Middle Ages, the position of women, both in Byzantium and in Western Europe, was raised to an unattainable height, yeah.
    The woman remained the temptress of Adam in the Bible.
    And some heretical sects (Bogumils, for example) generally put forward the assumption that "the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil" is nothing more than an allegory of sex. Adam and Eve, at the instigation of the Serpent, did "this", so they were expelled from Eden. And the initiative was still with Eva ...
    There is indirect confirmation of this version in the Bible.

    Christianity and later considered a woman to be a lower being, which is more prone to animal passions. Many theologians have voiced this thesis.
    These priests are sexist. not otherwise...
    1. +6
      April 28 2023 13: 59
      Quote: Illanatol
      Christianity and later considered a woman an inferior being

      The cult of the Mother of God, which had a huge development in the Middle Ages, both in Orthodoxy and in Catholicism, does not correspond very well to your thesis. There was also a cult of Mary Magdalene. There were also numerous female saints who were quite sincerely worshipped.
      So not a "lower being" or a "vessel of sin", but simply a weaker and therefore vulnerable to sin being than a man. Of course, different theologians had different opinions on this matter, often diametrically opposed, but in general, a woman was recognized as quite a person with all the ensuing rights and obligations.
      1. +1
        April 28 2023 16: 17
        Michael seems to be Mary Magdalene': a repentant sinner!?!
        1. +2
          April 28 2023 16: 47
          There are subtleties there. Among Catholics, she is a former harlot, sort of, while the Orthodox deny her "stormy youth".
          Be that as it may, her cult existed among both.
          1. +1
            April 28 2023 18: 12
            Mish, good health. "existed", and who told you that: Catholics and Orthodox threw her out of the saints?
            As far as I know: the church does not like to "scatter" its saints. Although, the ROC had a president: they "crowned" someone, t.s. Somewhere there was such an infa
            1. +1
              April 28 2023 18: 40
              Hello Slava. Of course, I misunderstood. It still exists, of course.
            2. Fat
              +1
              April 28 2023 19: 32
              hi Greetings Slav.
              Quote: vladcub
              the church does not like to "scatter" its saints.

              Everything is fine with the "decanonization" of the saints by the ROC. Only the priests do not particularly spread about this. Let's say the ascetic was an intercessor in the face of God ... The church policy changed and everyone stopped commemorating him. An example is Anna Kashinskaya. She was not revered from 1678 to 1909 ... There are also less well-known examples of "crowning". About 10 years ago, as many as 36 "new martyrs", victims of the "Bolshevik terror" were removed from mention.
              And not only the ROC was engaged in this. Each Christian "religious movement" has its own troubles with the withdrawal of previously canonized ...
          2. +1
            April 28 2023 19: 14
            Michael appears to be Mary Magdalene': a repentant sinner

            Not Magdalena, dear Katya, but Magdalena. The nickname “Magdalene” (Hebrew מרים המגדלית‎, other Greek Μαρία ἡ Μαγδαληνή) in Christianity is geographical and traditionally stands for “a native of the city of Migdal-El in Galilee.”
            1. +2
              April 28 2023 19: 31
              By the way, Katya. We owe the custom of painting eggs for Easter to Mary Magdalene. All Christians, both Orthodox and Catholics, know the story of how, a few years after the Ascension of the Lord, Mary visited the Roman emperor Tiberius, informed him of the Resurrection of Christ and presented a modest gift - an egg. The emperor laughed: “The dead cannot be resurrected, just as this egg cannot turn from white to red,” and then the egg in his hand turned red.
  14. +2
    April 28 2023 15: 03
    "Led a reprehensible lifestyle" Valery, you yourself said that she had a "chic" choice: a brothel or a circus, and now you are moralizing.
    1. VLR
      +1
      April 28 2023 15: 33
      I'm stating a fact. The more striking is the metamorphosis of this woman, which will be discussed in the next article. This is a completely different person, having almost nothing in common with the young "Theodora from the brothel"
      1. +1
        April 29 2023 22: 51
        Will wait. Applause to the author
  15. +1
    April 28 2023 16: 14
    The Internet does not want to justify Theodora' hangs
    "Vengeful cruel", I almost justify her: before she was humiliated, and now she has the opportunity to take revenge
    1. +1
      April 29 2023 22: 47
      I would not like the holy fox. Don't write what you don't know. Stay on the sidelines. catechumens
  16. +2
    April 28 2023 19: 19
    Any story must have some meaning.
    It is not entirely clear what is the relevance of this topic now.
    I would ask the author:
    1. Tell about the novel by Ivanov Primordial Rus', where Theodora is one of the main characters. His opinion is interesting.
    2. Mention the construction of Justinian, he built a lot in the Crimea, in particular, he founded Alushta.
    3. Touch on the issue of the origin of the Slavs. I am a supporter of the fact that the Slavs are the descendants of the Thracians and Illyrians expelled beyond the Danube and into Asia Minor.
    4. Touch upon the issue of church schisms, Arianism and Manichaeism.
    1. VLR
      +2
      April 28 2023 19: 37
      Wow, you have questions. smile
      Especially 3 and 4. These are the topics of separate series of articles. The easiest way is with the first question: the novel "Primordial Rus'" is "near-historical". It shouldn't be taken seriously.
    2. +6
      April 28 2023 20: 03
      Quote from Kuziming
      I would ask the author:

      Quote: VlR
      Wow, you have questions.

      I also freaked out a little. wassat
      According to "primordial Rus'" I agree - the work is near-historical.
      The construction of Justinian - one could try, especially if on the territory of modern Russia - large volumes are not expected there.
      The origin of the Slavs - Vashchenko has a whole series of articles on this subject. The truth about the Thracians and Illyrians, he will disappoint you. I think such a topic is only here if you personally can master it.
      Questions of church schisms and heresies are generally a topic, in my opinion, unbearable. Very complex, full of technical terms, completely unfamiliar to most of the local audience and just as indifferent.
      Quote from Kuziming
      It is not entirely clear what is the relevance of this topic now.

      In order for people who are interested in history to know more, or at least become interested in an unfamiliar topic. Or just rested reading from boring realities.
      As I understand it, do you think that any historical article should be timed to coincide with current events? Then you are on "News", "Opinions", "Analytics" - there this stuff is over the roof, frolic as much as your soul asks. But especially for you, I propose the connection of the current article with the present. Draw a parallel between Theodora and Melania Trump. smile
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        April 29 2023 09: 43
        Quote: Trilobite Master
        According to "primordial Rus'" I agree - the work is near-historical.

        And it's unfortunate, as a child I really liked it .... crying
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    April 29 2023 08: 20
    Quote: Trilobite Master
    The cult of the Mother of God, which had a huge development in the Middle Ages, both in Orthodoxy and in Catholicism, does not correspond very well to your thesis. There was also a cult of Mary Magdalene. There were also numerous female saints who were quite sincerely worshipped.
    So not a "lower being" or a "vessel of sin", but simply a weaker and therefore vulnerable to sin being than a man.


    The devil, as you know, is in the details. And the Virgin Mary was a woman in the full sense of the word?
    Let me remind you that she conceived the baby Jesus immaculately, that is, not in the way that is customary for women. What made her exceptional, not like everyone else.
    That is, from the point of view of the Christian religion, the usual conception, the most important physiological function of a woman, is vicious in its very essence.

    The measure of sinfulness, the measure of guilt is determined by the measure of punishment, isn't it?
    So how did the Judeo-Christian God punish "a weaker and therefore vulnerable to sin creature"?
    By the fact that he determined to give birth to women in torment and pain. Not very merciful on the part of the Creator and clearly shows his true attitude towards the weaker sex.
    Well, the priests continued the work of their heavenly boss. Who was burned at the stake there in the first place, who was accused of having links with evil spirits, who was hunted ("Hunting for ... witchers? Or is it witches?"). So alas...

    And the fact that the social status of a woman was obviously lower than that of a man (and in all Abrahamic religions, not only in Christian countries) does not need proof.
    Such a patriarchy, yeah.
    Otherwise, there would be no movement for the emancipation and equality of women...
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    April 29 2023 08: 33
    Quote from lisikat2
    lllantolu "front end" would not be able to make its way. In those days, the "front end" is now too, you will not surprise anyone. Need intelligence and luck


    And I did not claim that only this. But the beginning of the road to the throne is not without it.

    "Let's pave the way to the Kingdom of Freedom with our breasts..." laughing

    OK. So who did Theodora remain in History? What else is her name associated with, besides voluptuousness, deceit and vengeful cruelty (by the way, the monastery for harlots fits perfectly ... a sophisticated and hypocritical way of revenge on former colleagues who could know too much about her past).

    Maybe she became famous in the field of lawmaking? Helped her husband compose his famous Code?
    Or did she discover the talent of a strategist in herself, develop plans for military operations to capture Vandal Carthage or clean Italy from the Goths?
    Or maybe she understood architecture and concocted a master plan for the construction of the church of St. Sofia?
    Alas, alas... I know nothing of the kind. But if those who know - light it up. Prove that Theodora became famous not only for the scandalous details of her intimate life - I'll take my words back.

    Well, the fact that she helped the church is not God knows achievement. Religion is a tool for keeping subjects in obedience, a simple calculation, nothing more ... there is nothing outstanding in this.
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    April 29 2023 08: 44
    Quote: Cartalon
    Voluptuousness described in full growth, obviously a staff of private detectives, followed her, from about 7 years old.


    Why such passion? Maybe Procopius had personal motives for raids?
    Like, at one time he tried to drive up with well-known intentions, and Theodora turned his lapel: "Leave me alone, nerd, go to your papyri ... I need a male of a larger caliber." So Procopius began to take revenge in the way that was available to him: to collect gossip and write it down in his Talmud.
    By the way, the fact that Procopius insisted on Theodora's marital fidelity - was it a forced recognition of the increased level of social responsibility of this "maiden" or something else?
    For example, a veiled allusion to Theodora's frigidity. The latter can be very offensive to one who reveled and was proud of her voluptuousness.
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    4 May 2023 14: 13
    Apparently, the usual operation of the services to introduce an agent of influence on the heir to the throne. there is nothing new and they are doing it now
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    11 June 2023 08: 31
    And this is how Justinian (performed by I. Smoktunovsky) was seen by the audience of the Soviet film “Original Rus'”

    A disgusting film based on a no less disgusting junk fiction of the "writer" Ivanov. It is a pity that such an actor as Smoktunovsky starred in this junk.