The analytical program "However," with Mikhail Leontyev 29 November 2012

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Ukrainian President Yanukovych is conducting negotiations in Qatar on the purchase of liquefied gas, which are designed to liberate Ukraine from the terrible stranglehold of Russian Gazprom.

“We are now in the work process,” Yanukovych said. “We have hope, we have enthusiasm, we will find all the necessary solutions.” The Ukrainian leadership connects bright prospects with the completion of the construction of an LNG terminal near Odessa. Construction of the terminal, which began literally on Monday, the Ukrainian Prime Minister Azarov called "the first major step towards ensuring the energy independence of Ukraine ...

Liquefied gas for us will be two times cheaper than Russian.

True, how much Russian gas will cost on completion of the terminal, nobody knows, even Gazprom. By the way, Ukraine could get cheap gas right now by joining the Customs Union. However, Ukraine is wildly interested in its independence and, at the same time, is obliged to systematically confirm its "European choice." And therefore, it is in constant search for exotic ways of extracting cheap gas instead of Russian. The trouble is that only the independence of the energy of the independence can not save.

The question is very acute: how to find your own course during the second wave of economic crisis, ”Ukrainian Prime Minister Mykola Azarov complained. How to maintain fiscal economic stability in the face of reduced external demand and a shortage of credit? The Prime Minister sees strong credit support for Ukrainian exports. In parallel The Ukrainian government has decided to find additional funds for the payment of salaries, the debt on which reached 100 billions of dollars.

Do not go to the doctor - the Ukrainian Independence Square will not withstand any second wave of crisis. And this is a question not only of the structure of the crisis, the structure of the Ukrainian economy, but also the structure of the Ukrainian state.

The contract for the construction of a momentous LNG terminal at the cost of a billion dollars, which Prime Minister Azarov, Fuel and Energy Minister Boyko and head of the state investment agency Kaskiv signed with the Spanish company Gas Natural Fenos, does not exist. According to the Financial Times, the Spanish company does not know the person whom Ukrainian officials have identified as George Sarda Bonway. And I did not sign any agreements with Ukraine. A delegation of Ukrainian signatories urgently flew to Spain to find out with whom they signed the contract.

So the first major pancake on the path of "energy independence" of Ukraine turned out to be somehow lumpy. There is no reason to be surprised if you remember that it was the current leaders of the Ukrainian fuel and energy complex that once found the source of completely free gas, appropriating more than a billion cubic meters directly from the pipe. In general, predatory gas production from the transit pipe was the main source of energy independence, until Tymoshenko signed a well-known contract with Russia. Because of which both the Square and Tymoshenko are now suffering.

President Yanukovych correctly noted: "There is enthusiasm, we will find solutions." In this wonderful stories not in the miracle that it happened, but in the fact that Ukraine with all these miracles still exists. What we can do is congratulate the courageous fraternal Ukrainian people.
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  1. +3
    30 November 2012 08: 52
    Of course, "enthusiasm" will find its solution. those. will lead to its logical conclusion. And I wonder where these "solvers" will look when the West falls? Although the West is constantly showing its finger to Ukraine, this does not in any way affect the mental activity of some Ukrainian politicians. Although these are their problems and their sovereignty, they can only throw mud at Russia.
    1. Kaa
      +5
      30 November 2012 10: 58
      Quote: alexneg
      it doesn’t affect the mental activity of some politicians in Ukraine

      Affects, affects, the truth is not very quickly done ...
      "As reported, the President of Ukraine Viktor Yanukovych today signed the law" On an All-Ukrainian Referendum ", which the Verkhovna Rada adopted on November 6. to the Customs Union, said Mikhail Pogrebinsky, director of the Kiev Center for Political Research and Conflictology. “It seems more likely to me that this is an opportunity to get the support of the population through a referendum in an issue that does not enjoy the support of the elites. For example, if it so happens that there will be no other way out but to economically get closer to Russia, that is, to participate in the Customs Union in some form with obvious resistance from the elites, "he explained. The expert noted that in this situation, in order to decide to take such a step, “you need to get some kind of support, and it would be right to get the support of the population, since almost certainly such support will be received.” According to him, the data of the latest opinion polls indicate that if the question of Ukraine's accession to the Customs Union is raised to the all-Ukrainian referendum, it will receive the necessary support. "http://podrobnosti.ua/opinion/2012/11/27/873136.html
      http://ubr.ua/ukraine-and-world/power/v-ukraine-gotoviat-referendum-o-vstuplenii
      -v-tamojennyi-souz-181863
      http://kp.ua/daily/281112/368489/
      1. Nose
        +6
        30 November 2012 12: 27
        Quote: Kaa
        if the question of Ukraine joining the Customs Union is submitted to an all-Ukrainian referendum, then it will receive the necessary support

        They will support east and south, but what to do with the western part? Bendera’s underground will leave the echelons to derail ...
        1. Gluxar_
          +6
          30 November 2012 14: 52
          So this is the most desirable option. Finish off the shortcomings and end this unsuccessful epic.
        2. andrey122
          0
          1 December 2012 14: 28
          And we have little developed Siberia wink
      2. andrey122
        0
        1 December 2012 14: 26
        Yeah.
        We'll see.
    2. +4
      30 November 2012 13: 01
      Quote: alexneg
      but it’s only enough for them to pour mud on Russia.

      What then remains of their foreign and domestic policy?
      This is their main fetish, which is inside the country, that is beyond its borders.
      1. +4
        30 November 2012 15: 48
        Yanukovych also wanted to buy gas from the Germans. The joke is that our gas, but after transit through the floor of Europe.
  2. akjn4
    +18
    30 November 2012 08: 57
    "Ukraine", "gas" is an eternal soap opera. So many years on the screens, but everything keeps the intrigue. There is also a "mysterious Spaniard" - there will be 100 episodes smile
    1. +7
      30 November 2012 09: 33
      Santa Barbara is resting))
      1. Nose
        +7
        30 November 2012 12: 36
        It seems to me that this cheap gas from Qatar will ultimately be twice as expensive as Gazprom! A very muddy combination.
        1. +4
          30 November 2012 13: 09
          Quote: Nose
          It seems to me that this cheap gas from Qatar will ultimately be twice as expensive as Gazprom!

          One hundred percent more expensive: liquefy, and then liquefy, plus delivery.
          AND THIS STILL IF THE CONTRACT WILL BE
          At least more expensive than from GAZPROM, lend a hand and take it. Well, of course, first paying.
        2. Gluxar_
          +3
          30 November 2012 14: 53
          Of course more expensive, but that’s not even the point, but where is the LNG plant ??
  3. +3
    30 November 2012 08: 57
    Given that Ukraine abstained from voting in the UN on Nazism, Yanukovych is trying to please both the west of the country and the east. Such a policy will lead to a dead end, it is impossible to sit on two chairs. In the economic situation that Ukraine may face. The only way out is joining the CU. To be ill with dreams of the European Union, which is pouring mud on him, well this is nonsense and there is no profit.
    1. +2
      30 November 2012 09: 36
      Abstinence is understandable - it is a curtsy to the undefeated fascists in the Western world, well, one won’t remember how these geeks killed more than 50 thousand of our soldiers in Ukraine, and how many peaceful citizens — teachers, village councils, collective farmers — are their compatriots. And how many descendants of these scumbags shot at ours in Chechnya. Let them fall into the European Union, leave the left-bank and southern Ukraine.
      1. Splin
        0
        30 November 2012 11: 19
        Hey! In 2008, I was 4 years younger, and Yushch was the president of Ukraine!
    2. Oboz
      -1
      30 November 2012 19: 09
      We all know that. Repetition - the mother of learning?
  4. Cavas
    +1
    30 November 2012 08: 59
    Ukrainian President Yanukovych is conducting negotiations in Qatar on the purchase of liquefied gas, which are designed to liberate Ukraine from the terrible stranglehold of Russian Gazprom.

    Couldn't think of anything smarter?
    Sorry for the Ukrainians!
    1. gladiatorakz
      -11
      30 November 2012 12: 16
      Quote: Cavas
      Couldn't think of anything smarter?
      Sorry for the Ukrainians!

      This phrase rather refers to the Russian rulers and Gazprom. After all, thanks to the betrayal of the "woman with a scythe" Russia threw a noose over Ukraine. (For understanding: in the family - a brother is trying to bankrupt his brother.) Naturally, Ukraine is trying to get away from the "strangler." A lot of small power plants are under construction. Conversion to coal CHP. Its own prey. Etc. I am completely for the unification of Russia. I am sure that it is inevitable. But I think this will not happen under Putin. Using cop methods, you can recruit sex workers and other informers, but you can't find a FRIEND or BROTHER.
      1. Cavas
        +6
        30 November 2012 12: 29
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        After all, thanks to the betrayal of the "woman with a scythe" Russia threw a noose over Ukraine. (For understanding: in the family - a brother is trying to bankrupt his brother.)

        Brother is brother, but wallets are different and each has its own family.
        All the time to go to my brother and take money without giving it will not work, my brother is not a cash cow!
        And how is Gas so immediately brother. but as the Ch. fleet - so you are another state!

        Such a brother that enemies are not necessary !.
        1. gladiatorakz
          -5
          30 November 2012 13: 56
          Quote: Cavas
          Brother is brother, but wallets are different and each has its own family.
          All the time to go to my brother and take money without giving it will not work, my brother is not a cash cow!
          And how is Gas so immediately brother. but as the Ch. fleet - so you are another state!

          Such a brother that enemies are not necessary !.
          A reference please. When did Ukraine take and not give? With this logic: how to extend the base in Sevastopol for 40 years - brother, but how is gas at the same price as the Germans, then a separate state?
          1. Cavas
            +2
            30 November 2012 14: 12
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            A reference please. When did Ukraine take and not give?

            Each time with a scandal, and sometimes even Europe, it freezes when they do stop shipment! laughing
            The whole world knows, but give you a reference!
            Quote: gladiatorakz
            With this logic: how to extend the base in Sevastopol for 40 years - brother, but how is gas at the same price as the Germans, then a separate state?

            And you always wanted to have a freebie? laughing
            The Germans are pragmatists, they have already become monopolists in Europe, thanks to Russia and do not cry, soon you will start (selling their interest) gas to sell. if they don’t already sell, but you are all around the world rummaging through and looking for the guilty in Russia! laughing
            Continue in the same vein, then it’s for sure that only zilch will remain from your independence!
            1. gladiatorakz
              -3
              30 November 2012 14: 19
              Quote: Cavas
              The whole world knows, but give you a reference!
              Do not confuse Truth with Channel One.

              Quote: Cavas
              And you always wanted to have a freebie?
              More specifically. When, where, how much?

              Quote: Cavas
              The Germans are pragmatists, they have already become monopolists in Europe, thanks to Russia and do not cry, soon you will start (selling their interest) gas to sell. if they don’t already sell, but you are all around the world rummaging through and looking for the guilty in Russia!
              Wipe your eyes, Misha Leontyev is crying that Yanukovych went to Qatar, and not to the vehicle. Slow down the rope.
              And also for the gifted: RUS = Russia + Ukraine + Belarus. Don't confuse "your" Gazprom with Russia. These are two big differences.
              1. Cavas
                +1
                30 November 2012 14: 48
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                Do not confuse Truth with Channel One.

                Never confused!




                Quote: gladiatorakz
                More specifically. When, where, how much?

                Specific questions, take the turn for the Belarusians, but first in the EEC!
                and you will have gas for free! laughing

                Quote: gladiatorakz
                Wipe your eyes, Misha Leontyev is crying that Yanukovych went to Qatar, and not to the vehicle. Slow down the rope.

                Yes, I’m on Misha from a high bell tower ...! laughing
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                And for the gifted: RUSS = Russia + Ukraine + BelaRus

                Only now you forgot it! crying
                Quote: gladiatorakz
                Don't confuse "your" Gazprom with Russia. These are two big differences.

                No one is confusing, but Gazprom has already LOST everyone, so it infuriates everyone, but they can’t do anything!
                1. gladiatorakz
                  -1
                  30 November 2012 17: 37
                  Quote: Cavas
                  Yes, I’m on Misha from a high bell tower ...!

                  Then why are you here? You worry about the interests of those who gave Misha the command "fas". To you and to RUSSIA from the high bell tower.
              2. Oboz
                -2
                30 November 2012 19: 35
                There are many truths - the TRUTH is one.
          2. Oboz
            -5
            30 November 2012 19: 33
            Links were more than the Black Sea! Your links to the studio (did I write correctly?). And we honor, discuss and provide a verdict!
      2. Nose
        +7
        30 November 2012 12: 32
        gladiatorakz,
        What difference does it make to ordinary Ukrainians, cheap gas is supplied by Gazprom or expensive? And the profits are pockets.
        1. Splin
          0
          30 November 2012 12: 36
          Nose,
          Big one. Either Akhmetov will earn two rubles. whether it’s the ruble, and the shortage of rubles will be pulled out of the pocket of a simple person
          1. +5
            30 November 2012 12: 50
            a simple person in any way will be in flight
        2. gladiatorakz
          +4
          30 November 2012 14: 01
          Quote: Nose
          ladiatorakz,
          What difference does it make to ordinary Ukrainians, cheap gas is supplied by Gazprom or expensive? And the profits are pockets.
          It’s more correct to ask the question where are the revenues from Russian gas going? The woods? Oil?
        3. Oboz
          -2
          30 November 2012 19: 38
          Gazprom supplies gas to Ukraine. Domestic prices - internal affairs!
      3. Oboz
        0
        30 November 2012 19: 21
        gladiatorakz and all
        "After all, thanks to the betrayal of the" woman with the scythe "" - international law was automatically brought into play. So what? Following Ukraine, "serve" the product at cost to ALL? There are no concessions here. Once you give in and that's it ... Edrit independence.
        Played as "whipping boys" for Europpa, huh? They tried for ALL, and why then - "After all, thanks to the betrayal of the" woman with the scythe ""?
        Russia is here, from which side - you didn’t try for yourself!?! And, Not for Russia - for sure.
        Russia persuaded, persuaded.
        And - "put on a noose"! ??????
        1. gladiatorakz
          0
          30 November 2012 19: 38
          Quote: Oboz
          Once you give in and all ...
          Poland, Germany, Austria and a number of other countries, Gazprom reduced the price. And pays the penalty. In fact, I do not care about gas. Relationships are important. If there are none, one is another. I am for clarity. Russia is pushing Ukraine away now. Yes Yes. I think any person soberly, without hysteria, having analyzed the situation, will agree. Russia wins in tactics 3-5 years. But what about the strategy? At least 15-50 years. What kind of relationship will we grow during this time by such actions?
          1. Oboz
            -1
            30 November 2012 20: 05
            No relationship. “Russia is now pushing away Ukraine.” - the key phrase.
            This is as usual - good deeds from the antiquity of years - a lie (forgotten).
            All according to Freud. ))) As in the family.
            White Russia paid more than Nenko. Oh, there were times and people.
            Penalties due to the policy of Ukraine were paid.
      4. andrey122
        -1
        1 December 2012 14: 35
        Are you brother to me or not brother? It happens only after the second bottle. And big politics is not built like that.
  5. +3
    30 November 2012 09: 00
    A delegation of Ukrainian signatories urgently flew to Spain to find out with whom they signed the contract.

    How is that?

    Most likely Ukraine wants such a step (liquefied gas) to exert pressure on Russia, it is necessary to sign new gas contracts with Gazprom at the end of the year, so they are trying ..... As for the idea "to liberate Ukraine from the terrible stranglehold of Russian Gazprom." , then a more acceptable and real way is to transfer Ukrainian thermal power plants to coal (already voiced as well) ..... Well, the best thing for Ukraine is joining the Customs Union ....
    1. +4
      30 November 2012 09: 12
      Quote: BlackScorp
      How is that?

      Yes, like that, they took and signed a contract, and now they are driving out with whom wassat
      1. webdog
        +11
        30 November 2012 09: 42
        after this contract was signed, George Sarda Bonway’s scout received the hero of Russia, and the Ministry of Defense ordered 2 more submarine missile carriers for extra money from fraternal Ukraine)))))
    2. -1
      30 November 2012 10: 07
      Blackscorp,
      What is interesting now to enter something.
      Oh, and do not avoid someone's pitchfork. .... and braid.
    3. Splin
      -2
      30 November 2012 11: 22
      A plus. Yes she wants, but what remains for her? Just do not need a fairy tale about the dairy rivers of the TS ..
    4. Cavas
      +2
      30 November 2012 12: 24
      Quote: BlackScorp
      to liberate Ukraine from the terrible stranglehold of Russian Gazprom.

      I understand that for the Ukrainians, Russia is the enemy? laughing
      And Gazprom scare children instead of a babayka! wassat

      1. Kaa
        +4
        30 November 2012 14: 51
        Quote: Cavas
        And Gazprom scares children instead of babayki

        Regarding Ukraine’s plans to reduce future gas purchases:
        “And if they don’t take it, we will turn off the gas! laughing
        1. Harlin
          +5
          30 November 2012 16: 44
          Yes, all this is nonsense! .. It’s just that Yanukovych is trying to blackmail Gazprom. But somehow he’s inept, childishly everything ... Remember, Lukashenko did something similar with Venezuelan oil. But no, it didn’t work. And the parties again returned to a trusting dialogue. There will be one to one.
  6. sashka
    +1
    30 November 2012 09: 20
    Quote: BlackScorp
    and the best thing for Ukraine is joining the Customs Union ....

    This is also here to start the brains to peck their antics?
    1. +3
      30 November 2012 09: 38
      Sasha is probably right, they’re not damn, I’ll bite
  7. +2
    30 November 2012 09: 26
    I wonder how is Tymoshenko?

    I wonder how is Tymoshenko?
    1. +2
      30 November 2012 09: 39
      Quote: tronin.maxim

      I wonder how is Tymoshenko?

      Yes, it’s like sitting or you don’t taste Maxim laughing
      1. not good
        +3
        30 November 2012 14: 13
        More often lies sick Yes
        1. Harlin
          +4
          30 November 2012 16: 35
          Quote: Negoro
          More often, more

          No, she’s still moving ... on a walker.
        2. 0
          30 November 2012 17: 00
          Quote: Negoro
          More often lies sick

          Well, yes, it lies until it burns and they’re not filmed in the video
    2. Captain Vrungel
      +3
      30 November 2012 10: 04
      Interestingly, who slipped the signers a candidacy with "the Spanish drove"?
      Yes, the Ukrainian authorities are not thinking about any European Union or customs union. She thinks how to wash up the dough for the presidential elections a little longer. Yanukovych is not a checkpoint. The regionals have no candidate. When changing, all political prostitutes will rush into "friends" for the new president and his political forces. Finally, we must at least earn "old age" for ourselves and the kids for a comfortable existence far from their homeland.
      1. gladiatorakz
        -1
        30 November 2012 12: 24
        Quote: Captain Vrungel
        Yanukovych is not a checkpoint.
        It's too early for that. For business it will be necessary to watch. In the meantime, in 2012, 20 ships of the Naval Forces of Ukraine, in my opinion 72 aircraft, underwent repair from a dozen (or more) solar and wind power stations, underwent repairs and repairs - modernization of the hydroelectric power station. Bought tanks, laid ships. A great many roads were repaired throughout the country. Moscow was not built right away. Not everything is as deplorable as they are shown in Russia.
        1. Captain Vrungel
          +3
          30 November 2012 13: 37
          The absence of your name and place of residence, a look at reality through rose-colored glasses in the words of Azarov, they tell me that you are an "optimist" from his entourage. If ships can be called a raid boat, a diving boat and a tug, a river boat laid down by a ship for the Danube, repaired roads of the route to the residences of Yanukovych and Azarov, one purchased tank, solar and wind power. station for subsidiary farming is an indicator. Where there are a great many repaired roads, I did not notice. It is possible to get from Odessa to Kiev, but other directions to the north, east and west-death suspension. I agree with you on one thing, more and more deplorable, as they show in Russia. Yanukovych has been spinning on high estates for several decades. And what is the result? All the poperedennyk are to blame So he too was this poperednik for many years. Have already seen enough of his "affairs". But the "case" should appear. In fairness.
          1. gladiatorakz
            -1
            30 November 2012 14: 31
            Captain Vrungel. Denial of the obvious - is it the desire to stand out, to bend under Russian pluses or just dumbness? winked Success.
            Yes, I'm an optimist. I see the state of affairs is very difficult. But ... The analogy with the reconnaissance group: Some whine, sit on the ass and smear the snot. And others will grip their teeth and rod with a bulldozer. Question? YOU belong to which group?
            1. Captain Vrungel
              -1
              30 November 2012 15: 29
              The analogy with the reconnaissance group is not appropriate. Squishies and bulldozers for the ballast group, which they get rid of at the first stage of group formation. One of the main conditions to be able to correctly assess the situation.
              Whining is useless. There is no one to carry with a bulldozer to no avail. Search another way. The minimum task is to provide the family with human conditions of existence, which depends only on you and is deeply indifferent to the bulk of those around, especially the authorities. To serve would be glad, to serve is not good. He made efforts and knowledge, understanding that I was thrown out of my profession in my homeland and it is not possible to return to it (it is not in demand by the state, but the private trader drives me into bondage), I found a serious foreign company with a worldwide reputation and I have been working in it on mutually beneficial conditions for many years. Already not a conscript, but an employee of the company.
              1. Captain Vrungel
                +1
                30 November 2012 16: 13
                I realized that it’s a minus because I’m not a patriot of Ukraine. I was born in the Soviet Union. I grew up in the USSR. This has remained my Motherland forever, well, small, fortunately not looped, but international. Many of my friends and colleagues were scattered around the world. Who, under the flag, who is in the French foreign legion, and ethnic gypsy, even in the Israeli Navy. We are young, thrown out of the profession at the beginning of 90, not able to trade and not willing to serve the bandits, began to look for ways to realize ourselves. The work allows some to meet and everyone in the soul remained patriots of the USSR, consider the new homeland as the territory of compelled residence both in Russia and Ukraine.
                1. gladiatorakz
                  -1
                  30 November 2012 17: 55
                  Quote: Captain Vrungel
                  Whining is useless. There is no one to carry with a bulldozer to no avail. Search another way. The minimum task is to provide the family with human conditions of existence, which depends only on you and is deeply indifferent to the bulk of those around, especially the authorities.

                  This is what I am leading to. Do not exaggerate. There are problems, but there are solutions. You can’t blame everything. A lot of good things are happening.
                  My colleagues are missing in the Union from the GRU of the Russian Federation, GUR of Ukraine to the same legion. He visited him winked (before the start of Yugoslavia, he jerked, he thought with the Cossacks of Serbs to support). So the assumptions about the environment of Azarov - one laugh.
                  Throw away emotions and collect FACTS. And then the picture of what is happening will become clear. "Collection and processing of information"
                  1. Oboz
                    -2
                    30 November 2012 20: 31
                    Ukraine forgot the era of Kuchma!
                    There is all SHAME in her!
                2. Oboz
                  -1
                  30 November 2012 20: 29
                  Keep secrets !!! Between us current.
            2. Oboz
              -2
              30 November 2012 20: 28
              We are from sympathizers !!!)))
        2. Oboz
          -2
          30 November 2012 20: 27
          And this is good!!)))
    3. sashka
      +4
      30 November 2012 14: 28
      Even if you lie, you still sit ..)))
    4. MG42
      +4
      1 December 2012 20: 27
      Quote: tronin.maxim
      I wonder how is Tymoshenko?

      Julia cheerfully knocks on the hospital door with a shoe - the clowning continues. winked
      The video shows how the ex-official punches the door, pulls the handle. Then a portable metal detector went into action. Later, Tymoshenko framed the walkers, sat in them, took off her shoes and began to beat them on the glass.
      1. gladiatorakz
        +2
        1 December 2012 20: 38
        Quote: MG42
        Julia cheerfully knocks on the hospital door with a shoe

        This achievement alone means a lot !!! And two years ago, I thought that she’s not a judge. Super-democratic Italy could not put Berluscona in jail.
        1. MG42
          +2
          1 December 2012 20: 59
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          This achievement alone means a lot !!! And two years ago, I thought that she’s not a judge.

          But you never know what she thought, history is silent about this. And what does this achievement mean? Another "blue" government has come to replace the "orange" one - one business group has replaced another with a watered Olympus.
          Quote: gladiatorakz
          Super-democratic Italy could not put Berluscona in jail.

          Yes, I couldn’t. But only I consider here the personal accounts of Yanyka and Zhulka. Here Yuscher is to blame no less and in honor of the current government.
          1. gladiatorakz
            0
            1 December 2012 21: 21
            Can and so. But the precedent is important.
  8. +8
    30 November 2012 09: 32
    Yes, as Zoshchenko said, "Everything can be in our world, even what cannot be." Already Western analysts recognize the fact that America is in agony, and with it the West. The only one who stands firmly is Germany. And all the same, it is smeared with honey and many want to join the "great ideas of democracy and pedaristic values" of the West. Ukraine is an example of this. It seems that all these renegades want to take a place in this sinking boat (please do not confuse with Noah, he saved). For what? After all, the goat understands that the West does not need Ukraine, like the Baltics, Georgia and others. They do not need anyone at all, they have seen enough of the "Matrix" and so it was carried. They all felt they were the chosen ones (this is a matter of psychiatry). What kind of gas from Qatar, what nonsense, construction of the terminal has not yet begun and they have already been thrown. At this rate, by the end of construction, everyone will be stolen.
    1. Kaa
      +7
      30 November 2012 12: 32
      Quote: Averias
      They all sensed themselves chosen (this is a matter of psychiatry).

      Well, not all, namely elected ... to parliament
      Quote: Averias
      They don't need anyone at all, they've seen enough of the "Matrix"

      It has been carrying it for a long time, the "Matrix" has not yet been filmed, and the "great man" has already arrived ... laughing
      1. not good
        +2
        30 November 2012 14: 19
        It's kinda weird this is a pritenzy map laughing China
        1. Kaa
          0
          30 November 2012 14: 45
          Quote: Negoro
          It’s strange, it’s like a China claim map

          And you didn’t hear, they offered a loan to Ukraine, for agriculture ... soon the rice fields will turn green ... covered with straw hats ... laughing and then all the Western Ukrainian peasants in Europu are torn ... to collect raspberries, and the fields are idle, hence the claims ... of the "yellow" to "zhovto-blakytnaya" angry
  9. +2
    30 November 2012 09: 39
    The show in Ukraine continues .... only nifiga is not funny.
  10. webdog
    0
    30 November 2012 09: 47
    Quote: Averias
    terminal construction has not yet begun, but they have already been thrown.

    this is ours ...)
    felt Russian dash))))
  11. columbus2
    -5
    30 November 2012 09: 47
    In this wonderful story, it’s not a miracle that it happened, but that Ukraine, with all these miracles, still exists. With what we can only congratulate the courageous brotherly Ukrainian people.


    And at the same time, we are bribing Ukraine for gas too ... "bratski" .... winked Thank you, since Friday morning I laughed ... with such "brotherly" love it would be better for an orphan.
    1. Prishtina
      +6
      30 November 2012 10: 00
      Stop ..) we are not dependent .. sovereign states. even though the brotherly people. And that means absolutely equal subjects in international relations and law.
      Moscow proposed a deal to Kiev .. TS and closer integration to replace the preference for gas prices, etc. in response to a song about the old .. So why should Moscow discount prices for goods if the sufferer tries to sit on 2 chairs? and how can it not be decided ?!
      1. gladiatorakz
        -1
        30 November 2012 12: 29
        Quote: Prishtina
        Stop ..) we are not dependent .. sovereign states. even though the brotherly people. And that means absolutely equal subjects in international relations and law.
        Moscow proposed a deal to Kiev .. TS and closer integration to replace the preference for gas prices, etc. in response to a song about the old .. So why should Moscow discount prices for goods if the sufferer tries to sit on 2 chairs? and how can it not be decided ?!
        Then what could be the claim that Yanukovych went to Qatar? After all, the transmission itself calls for us to be brothers. At the very end, a few words, so small. So judge for yourself ... If the brothers, Russia sells the most expensive gas to Ukraine. If there are two business entities, then why Ukraine does not have the right to look for where it is cheaper? And build energy independence? Do not depend on the vagaries of the second economic subject.
        1. Beck
          -7
          30 November 2012 13: 13
          In general, what matters is Leontyev, what and where is Ukraine buying? This state is a subject of international law. This is where I care where the Uzbeks buy skullcaps.

          The Kremlin means it is possible to carry out its gas pipelines along the bottom of the Baltic and Black Seas. But Ukraine cannot buy cheap gas where it is sold cheaply. From time immemorial, and trade has been holding - they buy where it is cheaper. And what is unnatural here. If you want to sell yours, see what prices are at the market. Nobody will buy anything from you above the market price.
          1. Machingver
            -9
            30 November 2012 13: 30
            Quote: Beck
            In general, what matters is Leontyev, what and where is Ukraine buying?

            Absolutely.
            - I'll tell you what's the matter. The Russian Federation, having no geopolitical leverage in the world, has put under the slogan "energy superpower" - on terror with gas. VTCH Ukraine, but to force Ukraine to "brotherhood". But this position did not justify itself, now the EU and Ukraine are massively rejecting Russian gas. gas terror - sows hatred of Ukrainians towards the Russian Federation, which will lead to the bankruptcy of the Russian Federation by 2017-2018 with 54% of export earnings from oil and gas now.
            1. Harlin
              +6
              30 November 2012 16: 46
              Quote: Machingver
              and will lead to the bankruptcy of the Russian Federation by 2017-2018 with 54% of oil and gas export earnings now

              Eco has suffered you! .. Your dreams are not weak! wassat
            2. andrey122
              0
              1 December 2012 14: 49
              Yeah. However, cunningly twisted.
          2. Splin
            +3
            30 November 2012 14: 14
            Quote: Beck
            In general, what matters is Leontyev, what and where is Ukraine buying?

            Big one. He is the mouthpiece of the Kremlin. Either Ukraine buys 40 billion cubic meters from Russia, or 25!
            and then even less. Addict gets off the needle!
            PS I, as a layman, have not used gas for 3 years. Electricity and sawdust to warm the hut is much cheaper. I’ll buy more windmill. If everyone follows this path - the khan of volatility!
            1. Cavas
              +2
              30 November 2012 14: 37
              Quote: Splin
              I, as a layman, have not been using electricity for 3 years. Electricity and sawdust warm the hut much cheaper + thermocompressor. I’ll buy more windmill. If everyone walks along this path - the khan of volatility!

              laughing Laughing for a long time!)) Not at what is cheaper, but about khana energy addiction!
              Now, if you also stop eating fat, then YES! wassat
              1. Splin
                -5
                30 November 2012 15: 50
                Cavas,
                He laughs. who laughs last ...
                So our greedy bourgeoisie are so dumb that they build electric smelters instead of blast furnaces.
                I will explain by my example. At the neighbor on AGV street. In severe frosts that year, he paid 2100-2300 hryvnias per month only for heating his 4-room house. I am for my 5-room apartment (although the living area is approximately equal) - 1200 hryvnias per month for all electricity + 2200 hryvnias for 3 cubic meters of briquettes. Half still. from that season. Well, let me save another piece by taking a truck from my father-in-law. It’s cheaper anyway.
                1. Harlin
                  +5
                  30 November 2012 16: 48
                  Quote: Splin
                  I will explain by my example.

                  It calls - the brain has earned! A cold, like nothing else, stimulates the work of gray matter! drinks
                  1. Splin
                    +3
                    30 November 2012 16: 54
                    Quote: Harlin
                    It calls - earned a brain

                    This is called an opportunity has appeared. Even autonomous heating in an ordinary apartment is much more profitable than the heating system batteries. Only this autonomous heating must still be bought for money!
                    There will be a windmill, there will be full autonomy. Well already own!
                2. Cavas
                  +1
                  30 November 2012 18: 40
                  Quote: Splin
                  Cavas
                  He laughs. who laughs last ...
                  So our greedy bourgeoisie are so dumb that they build electric smelters instead of blast furnaces.

                  Nobody laughed at you!
                  I laughed at the "hana from energy dependence".
                  And let your bourgeoisie even build a rover, anyway there is something to pay for, gas or electricity, no difference!
                  The government will not be offended!
                  1. Splin
                    +2
                    30 November 2012 19: 07
                    Cavas,
                    I was not talking about the government and its energy dependence (they went to F ...), but about the common man, so that he was independent in this regard. Electricity will go up at times, I will switch to purely sawdust briquettes. They will not make boards in Ukraine - I will switch to pressed straw, coal, firewood. My wife will not cook on the electric stove and hot air grill, but on the stove. This is of course extremes, but 10 years ago I realized that a person should not depend on the handouts of the state. And if everyone thinks like that, then that expensive gas.
                    PS Although his wife does not have a gas minivan, he is also cheap Ukrainian propane, and not expensive Russian gasoline.
                    1. Cavas
                      0
                      30 November 2012 19: 30
                      Quote: Splin
                      Cavas
                      I was not talking about the government and its energy dependence (they went to F ...), but about the common man, so that he was independent in this regard.

                      Your love for an independent life is only admirable. good
                      Turn off the Internet and you are independent!
                      And I’m afraid you don’t have enough briquettes from sawdust! laughing
                      Quote: Splin
                      but 10 years ago I realized that a person should not depend on the handouts of the state.

                      Those. gas and electricity is your state handout?
                      Then break the sewer and the water supply, the independence is so independence! wassat
                      1. Splin
                        +1
                        30 November 2012 19: 58
                        Filing - this was my captain's disability pension with ten years of service. As for the benefits of the ass in the form of a toilet bowl and Bede, they are, but I don’t have a centralized sewage system and water supply, but there is an autonomous processing and a well for water. (when they bought this house in 2008, there was a toilet like a toilet and a schedule for supplying a muddy drinking liquid) There is still an autonomous generator and half a barrel of AU of the 80th. There is no windmill yet. But we will go so far. And I'm not waiting for December 21. I still have plans for the 22nd
                        Still, the conversation is not about me. You shouldn't think that a Ukrainian citizen lives only on Russian gas. Electricity is your own. And it is quite possible to switch to it. The CHP plants run on Ukrainian coal. Understand, the world did not converge like a wedge on the natural Russian resources. Have you read Griboyedov's "Woe from Wit"?
                      2. Cavas
                        +1
                        30 November 2012 21: 24
                        Quote: Splin
                        Still, the conversation is not about me. Do not think that a Ukrainian citizen lives only at the expense of Russian gas. Electricity is its own. And go to it is quite possible. Thermal power plants operate on Ukrainian coal. Understand that the wedge did not converge on natural Russian wealth.

                        I already heard this, in my opinion in the 90s, like we are the breadbasket of Russia, if we leave Russia will die of hunger, etc.
                        But for the fact that you do not lose heart, respect to you! hi
                3. MG42
                  +4
                  1 December 2012 21: 15
                  Quote: Splin
                  So our greedy bourgeoisie are so dumb that they build electric smelters instead of blast furnaces.

                  They do it right - the converter is economically viable and saves resources compared to open-hearth, and the cost of building the converter is many times less than open-hearth. Learn the materiel.
                  In Ukraine, an excess of electricity, which is even exported and a lack of natural gas, own production of about 20 billion cubic meters.
                  1. Splin
                    0
                    1 December 2012 22: 28
                    MG42,

                    If I have a complaint, then I know that!
        2. Prishtina
          0
          30 November 2012 15: 04
          I don’t have any .. Your case is at least in Qatar, at least in Spain.
          Russia sells the most expensive gas to Ukraine. They sell gas to Ukraine at exactly the same price as Poland and others like them. That is, on a completely market basis.
          Ukraine has the right to look for cheaper and generally switch to another supplier. And in this case, it is the absolute right of Ukraine. But the cimus is something of this moment and beyond Ukrainian government believed that for some reason it should have preferences in the gas pricing policy ... But you understand that this does not happen, if you want to take something with a good discount in big business (politics), you will have to sacrifice something in return. This is a normal practice in world politics and business. There is no need to represent Russia and Gazprom as something monstrous. The same USA, when they give money and preferences, are guaranteed to take in return the "soul" of the state .. his loyalty and loyalty.
          This practice ... like it or not. And thank God that Russia ceases to be a "bad heifer" who is milked for beautiful eyes and gorgeous promises.
      2. not good
        0
        30 November 2012 14: 22
        On two chairs it’s more convenient, so there’s a crack between them, even if you can mess up a neighbor, you can push everything on one chair. wink
        1. gladiatorakz
          +1
          30 November 2012 14: 35
          Quote: Negoro
          On two chairs it’s more convenient, so there’s a crack between them, even if you can mess up a neighbor, you can push everything on one chair.
          Can you see a difficult fate? laughing Experience is visible in many issues !!!)
    2. SSR
      +4
      30 November 2012 10: 06
      Quote: columbus2
      And at the same time, we are bribing Ukraine for gas too ... "as a brother"

      Well, of course ... when for everyone .. give, give, give you get on .. on .. on .. it's in "Bratsk" when after all "on" "on" "on" they say and dike please ... and in reply :
      Nope to take only me .. give only you .. we are brothers ... Then the orange whip comes and grit ... you let the Russians and I went west ... Europe will help us ... and it starts to gas)))
      In general .. in any case, a constructive dialogue is needed, but in the case of the Ukrainian "elite" it does not work .. they still have a raid of the former courtyard "gopota" ... sometimes you look .. quite reasonable .. and sometimes ... ... yoshkar-ola ... well, pure Poles.
    3. +3
      30 November 2012 10: 10
      And this is called - fumbled. Nothing personal, from the ancestors of Chernihiv region themselves, but it’s good to spit in our direction, if you want to be uncoupled - be. Well, she doesn’t care. But why be rude at the state level?
      1. 1946095andrey
        +11
        30 November 2012 11: 00
        Quote: Irkutsk
        but good to spit in our direction

        we don’t spit friendship ... it’s such power, it instigates stupid people who don’t have an opinion that Ukraine has always been Ukraine even when mammoths were running, and there are many such people ... so at the national level we are a kindred people ..... because the nation is primary
        the state is secondary! I LOVE YOU SLAVEN !!!!!!!!!!
      2. gladiatorakz
        -2
        30 November 2012 12: 31
        Quote: Irkutsk
        And this is called - fumbled. Nothing personal, from the ancestors of Chernihiv region themselves, but it’s good to spit in our direction, if you want to be uncoupled - be. Well, she doesn’t care. But why be rude at the state level?

        We don't have such programs about Russia. After all, if you look unbiased, then Russia speaks more and worse even of our "Banderevites"
    4. -6
      30 November 2012 10: 32
      Ooty, an orphan offended.
    5. Machingver
      0
      30 November 2012 12: 55
      Quote: columbus2
      And at the same time, we are derelict from Ukraine for gas too ... "bratski" .... thanks, on Friday morning I laughed ... with such "brotherly" love it would be better to be an orphan.

      Well then - in Europe.
    6. +2
      30 November 2012 13: 29
      Quote: columbus2
      And at the same time we are fumbling from Ukraine for gas

      Join the Customs Union and there will be gingerbread, otherwise Russia is alone as a whip, but as a company to eat gingerbread. Let us first join us, BROTHER.
      1. +2
        30 November 2012 14: 16
        Quote: Bulls.
        Let’s first in one team with us BROTHER.

        Here is this columbus2 Bandera, he has been watering Russia on the site for a long time, he has found someone to call his brother. negative
  12. +3
    30 November 2012 09: 55
    We have hope, there is enthusiasm, it remains to tie a pioneer tie and give a salute - and we are able to sign gas contracts.
    It is interesting when the current "rulers" will be put next to Tymoshenko.
  13. botur2013
    +6
    30 November 2012 10: 02
    At our place, Lukashenko also shouted that oil from Venezuela would solve all problems. And now something has subsided. It is not all so simple.
    1. sq
      +6
      30 November 2012 12: 20
      And Venezuelan oil at that time solved one of the problems, not even one. And Lukashenko did not shout about it. It was clearly said that Venezuelan oil is obviously more expensive. But what is better - to have expensive oil or not to have oil at all? It was a competent attack against the Moscow oligarchs and nothing more.
      1. Harlin
        +5
        30 November 2012 16: 50
        Quote: kvm
        And Lukashenko did not shout about it.

        Well, where is Lukashenko now buying? And the noise! ​​... hi
  14. Ruslan
    +9
    30 November 2012 10: 06
    In its internal squabbles, Russia has lost sight of our corrupt Jewish-Malanian elite labeled "Ukrainian". So, comrades in Russia, clean out the liberal scum and then we need to restore order. Alas, there is simply no real political patriotic force in Ukraine. In power, some Jews or Malians with a residence permit in Israel or other countries of Western "civilization".
    1. 1946095andrey
      +5
      30 November 2012 10: 46
      Quote: Ruslan
      you are really no real political patriotic force in Ukraine.

      yes, you’re right ... and Russia has that too .. that’s where all the problems come from ......... they need to be thrown off .... but Robin Hood won’t come here alone can’t cope here you need a Russian-Slavic revolution. (Russia- Ukraine-Belarus .... and so they gave ...)
      1. andrey122
        0
        1 December 2012 15: 01
        "Yes, you are right ... and Russia has this too .. hence all the problems"
        Divide and rule.
        So they separate us.
    2. +3
      30 November 2012 10: 52
      Ruslan,
      That’s the idea of ​​Ruslan, with whom and with what Putin has to deal !!
      With exactly the same Jewish pack of enemies of Russia both in the media and in the financial
      sector of the economy. And then at the computer we are all smart and experts, and the point is not to work with the language.
    3. Kaa
      +6
      30 November 2012 12: 49
      Quote: Ruslan
      In power, some Jews or Malians with a residence permit in Israel or other countries of Western "civilization".

      But at the same time they are the leaders of the Our Ukraine party. Is this a hint?
      1. MG42
        +2
        1 December 2012 22: 28
        Quote: Kaa
        But at the same time they are the leaders of the Our Ukraine party. Is this a hint?

        Kaa, + as in that song, Jews are all Jews around wassat
    4. andrey122
      -1
      1 December 2012 14: 54
      Golden words good
      Straight to the bull's-eye. "Ten", sir.
      1. andrey122
        -1
        1 December 2012 15: 12
        Oops, minus already. Nimble banderlogs are here however.
  15. Splin
    -3
    30 November 2012 11: 29
    There is nothing to argue about. Leont'ev zae ... pull pieces out of the phrase. Reminds: "I am being treated for tripak with injections, pills, I am not cheating on my wife and I don’t go to women anymore."
    As always, he pulled out "I DON'T LIKE WOMAN ANYMORE" Words of an impotent man and dreams of the same journalist.
    1. +1
      30 November 2012 12: 02
      Don’t listen to him: there is no information, no problems.
    2. +2
      30 November 2012 12: 06
      Spin
      The fact that you became infected with a European trepak is visible without passing tests. At
      this, Walk or not for women, decide for yourself, without blackmail
      1. Splin
        0
        30 November 2012 12: 14
        askort154,
        Yes, I’m sorry ... for Europe and Qatar. I am offended that in Europe, Ukraine and Russia are sent there in all directions, and such Schwonders like Leontyev are looking for an external enemy in close neighbors. And we have such Schwonders to hell, only none of them enjoys authority, even if they shout from the central channel A more flexible system than in Russia.
    3. dimanf
      0
      30 November 2012 12: 54
      Quote: Splin

      There is nothing to argue about. Leontiev zae ... tear pieces out of the phrase.
  16. gladiatorakz
    0
    30 November 2012 12: 04
    Misha Leontiev is a talking head. Makes a smart look and puffs out cheeks. Now I dropped my glasses, otherwise it looked like a martyr. Such reports are not worth a broken egg. What thoughts did he express? What analysis did you do? Took pieces out of context and produced a ready-made solution. Urgently in the vehicle. Also such an excellent film as "Heart of a Dog" dragged. Although he is a spitting image of Sharikov. They gave a transfer - bark at whoever we say. He would say at the end "We were strangling them already, strangling them !!"
    1. dimanf
      +3
      30 November 2012 13: 04
      quote = gladiatorakz] Misha Leontiev is a talking head. Makes a smart look and puffs out cheeks. Now I dropped my glasses, otherwise it looked like a martyr. Such reports are not worth a broken egg. What thoughts did he express? What analysis did you do? Took pieces out of context and produced a ready-made solution. Urgently in the vehicle. Also such an excellent film as "Heart of a Dog" dragged. Although he is a spitting image of Sharikov. They gave a transfer - bark at whoever we say. He would say at the end "We have already strangled them, strangled them !!" [/ quote]

      to the point said. hucksters of a certain nationality fill their pockets in Russia and Ukraine. I pit peoples against each other in order to distract from themselves. and ANALYTICS, such as Leoniev’s, yapping what the owners will say to them.
      AND RUSSIA AND UKRAINE-BROTHER PEOPLES.
      EARLY OR LATER WE UNIT AND RELEASE FROM THE IG!
      1. gladiatorakz
        +4
        30 November 2012 14: 09
        Quote: dimanf
        AND RUSSIA AND UKRAINE-BROTHER PEOPLES.
        EARLY OR LATER WE UNIT AND RELEASE FROM THE IG!
        Thank you, bro, for your understanding !!
  17. 8 company
    +1
    30 November 2012 12: 26
    Yes, the story is familiar. The Belarusian leader bought the Venezuelan oil at an exorbitant price just to prove something. Only I did not understand - what exactly? All the same, I agreed to all Russian conditions.
    1. gladiatorakz
      0
      30 November 2012 14: 10
      Quote: Company 8
      Yes, the story is familiar. The Belarusian leader bought the Venezuelan oil at an exorbitant price just to prove something. Only I did not understand - what exactly? All the same, I agreed to all Russian conditions.
      That is, Ukraine immediately agree to all Russian conditions?
      1. 8 company
        +1
        30 November 2012 15: 18
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        That is, Ukraine immediately agree to all Russian conditions?


        What for? You can not agree, no one is forcing anyone. I do not like the price of Russian, buy elsewhere, no one forbids.
      2. Jaromir
        +3
        30 November 2012 21: 14
        Quote: gladiatorakz
        That is, Ukraine immediately agree to all Russian conditions

        Well, not right away ... Surveying for decency, and then taking it with a calm soul, they say, we did everything we could! Yes
  18. Machingver
    -7
    30 November 2012 13: 06
    Again that analyst ...

    Here are some interesting articles:
    Ukraine is no longer among Russia's priorities
    http://www.unian.net/news/538534-ukraina-uje-ne-vhodit-v-chislo-prioritetov-ross
    ii.html
    In addition, according to F. Lukyanov, “it became clear that the more pressure on Ukraine, the more resistance in return. But if you do not demonstrate frank political and economic pressure, but give Kiev the opportunity to pursue the policy he wants, you can achieve your goals, or continue to take a wait and see attitude. It seems to me that this is exactly how Russia is acting now, and Ukraine is not among the top priorities now. ”


    Russian expert believes that Ukraine will slow down the Customs Union
    Read more here: http://www.unian.net/news/538574-rossiyskiy-ekspert-schitaet-chto-ukraina-budet-
    tormozit-tamojennyiy-soyuz.html
    “If you look at political relations, it becomes clear that even if such an amazing and unlikely event happens and Ukraine wants to fully join this union, it will play a role similar to that played by Uzbekistan in the CSTO. That is, to block everything that others offer and always take a special position, defending their national interests, and, as a result, prevent this organization from developing ”


    Russians still do not want to believe and convince themselves that Ukraine is looking east. Not looking, nothing to look at.
    We divorced in 1991 for objective reasons, before that - we were not even married, there was compulsion to love by means of rape. The Russians still do not understand that our civil society has grown up, that the line of generational change has passed. In this decade-years - the last soviet marginals of the "brotherhood" will go away.
    And that’s all. Gas is already being drilled on the shelf, being drilled onshore, compressor stations are being modernized, an LNG terminal will definitely be built, the reverse is growing from Europe, we will participate in the TANAP and the Trans-Caspian gas pipelines, and shale exploration is underway. “And it will be done, and not so much in a long time.” Already this year, a billion from the shelf, in 2013 - one and a half, in 2015 - more than 3, 2020 - 7. And so on.
    We are an exporter of electricity for electricity in the Russian Federation, we are building hydroelectric power stations, PSPs, we are just at the Stakhanov pace we are seeding the coast of wind power plants with generation in the near future - up to 5-7 billion kW - these are one and a half nuclear power plants.
    All point. On the threshold of visa-free with the EU and the association.
    1. not good
      0
      30 November 2012 14: 28
      Turkey is YOUR EU.
      1. gladiatorakz
        -4
        30 November 2012 14: 38
        Quote: Negoro
        Turkey is YOUR EU.

        Turkey goes on
        Isn't that the Turkey that cooked, cured, armed the chicha? And where do Russians take 40 billion a year for lousy hawks at lousy resorts?
    2. 0
      30 November 2012 15: 01
      Gas is already being drilled on the shelf, being drilled onshore, compressor stations are being modernized, an LNG terminal will definitely be built, the reverse is growing from Europe, we will participate in the TANAP and the Trans-Caspian gas pipelines, and shale exploration is underway. “And it will be done, and not so much in a long time.” Already this year, a billion from the shelf, in 2013 - one and a half, in 2015 - more than 3, 2020 - 7. And so on.
      We are an exporter of electricity for electricity in the Russian Federation, we are building hydroelectric power stations, PSPs, we are just at the Stakhanov pace we are seeding the coast of wind power plants with generation in the near future - up to 5-7 billion kW - these are one and a half nuclear power plants.
      All point. On the threshold of visa-free with the EU and the association.
      Well ... Jules I will return to you far ... bravo!
    3. 0
      30 November 2012 17: 05
      Quote: Machingver
      On the threshold of visa-free with the EU and the association.

      A dreamer, but to whom you fell there in the EU, producers are not needed there. Consumers are needed in the EU, so until you ruin your economy, they will not accept you in the EU, or rather you will never be accepted there laughing
      1. Machingver
        -2
        1 December 2012 15: 12
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        A dreamer, but to whom did you fall there in the EU, manufacturers are not needed there.

        Pass your words to the MIL of the Russian Federation, or else you see a hysteria over the fact that Ukraine will receive a visa-free regime with the EU earlier than the Russian Federation. According to the Foreign Ministry - something Ukraine should enter simultaneously with the Russian Federation ...
        - Russia forgot to ask. More precisely, the Russians still do not want to believe that no one is going to ask them.
    4. andrey122
      0
      1 December 2012 15: 07
      So the banderlogs howled. We've already got the Russian people. Stop yapping. It's time to master Siberia and the Far East.
  19. +4
    30 November 2012 14: 38
    "... A delegation of Ukrainian signatories urgently flew to Spain to find out who they signed a contract with ..."
    Is this a joke or a clinical case?
    1. Kaa
      +3
      30 November 2012 15: 01
      Quote: Goodmen
      Is this a joke or a clinical case?

      This is all our national drink ...
      1. +2
        30 November 2012 15: 10
        The contract was signed - they do not know with whom !!! "Squirrel" caught after "national drink"? And the "squirrel" is just a clinical case. Q.E.D.
      2. Harlin
        +8
        30 November 2012 16: 56
        Kaa,
        I imagine that in the morning we got up and fucked up - but why did we sign the contract?
        - Yes, hell knows, in a way with the Spaniard somehow?
        - And where he?
        - Well, if he is Spaniard, then in Spain.
        - They say dumb things like that ...
        - Yes ... business ... Well, how much did we drink yesterday?! ..
        1. Kaa
          +2
          1 December 2012 00: 43
          Quote: Harlin
          Yes ... business ... Well, how much did we drink yesterday ?!

          "Well, then another little bucket and home ..." drinks
  20. Cold
    -1
    30 November 2012 23: 36
    Ukraine is playing its game from the East, the fraternal peoples that they fought with, etc. But it’s prestigiously cool with the West, especially for the Elites, to rest with real aristocrats in Lyme clubs and so on. Well, what should I lick and yank to the east. Ordinary people like the whole world in flight. (except Bendera nationalists bought). hi IMHO
  21. Splin
    0
    1 December 2012 07: 39
    jhtkuykukuyhkky
  22. sevl
    +1
    1 December 2012 17: 19
    The gas issue will divide Ukraine into two parts, Eastern and Western. It seems that the Russian leadership is considering this prospect. Ukrainians themselves do not exclude the possibility of this event.
  23. WW3
    WW3
    +2
    1 December 2012 21: 47
    Do not go to the doctor - the Ukrainian Independence Square will not withstand any second wave of crisis. And this is a question not only of the structure of the crisis, the structure of the Ukrainian economy, but also the structure of the Ukrainian state.

    Leontyev "+" 100% hitting the target.
    Ukraine practically does not build anything new, what is left of it from the USSR, that infrastructure wears out for modernization there is no money, all tidbits are seized. The EU does not take it, on the other hand, Onishchenko and Miller keep on a short Russian leash ...
    1. gladiatorakz
      -4
      2 December 2012 10: 15
      Quote: WW3
      Ukraine practically does not build anything new, what remains of the USSR, that infrastructure wears out on modernization there is no money

      Are you often in Ukraine? Or are they talking on TV?
  24. -1
    2 December 2012 13: 09
    I myself am a Ukrainian and actually regret my people and country, but it’s not Gazprom or Putin that is to blame for the third grade country, the Ukrainian government is to blame !! Incomprehensible flirting with Europe, despite the fact that they perfectly understand that Europe will not invest money in modernizing the country! But you can’t spread political dividends on bread and don’t give people a salary!
    Ukraine itself invests in anything but the economy of the country! Why Ukraine Donbass Arena? Such structures do not pay off at all !! And what to do with a loan for Daewoo trains? Domestic politics consists of games with the Nazis just thugs! There is no economic policy, the country works to please the oligarchs! The tax system is used to redistribute property! The state in terms of GDP was the second after Russia now ........... the country is at a crossroads .. a gap or who will pick it up!
    1. pidluts
      -1
      2 December 2012 14: 28
      support crying
    2. -1
      2 December 2012 20: 16
      Again some deer instructed the minuses !!! Maybe I bet ............. why scared, maybe there is another truth!