The myth of penal battalions with prisoners from the Gulag

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The myth of penal battalions with prisoners from the Gulag
"Shtrafbat" is a 2004 Russian television series.


Prisoners and war


Huge losses in the initial period of the Great Patriotic War made it necessary to use all possible sources to replenish the Armed Forces (AF) of the USSR.



Already on July 12, 1941, a decree was issued by the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet (PVS) of the USSR on the release from punishment of those convicted of certain categories of crimes from areas under martial law. These categories included those convicted for short terms: hooliganism, petty theft, unauthorized leaving from enterprises, violation of discipline, etc. Also subject to release were those convicted for minor domestic crimes (with a remaining term of less than 1 year), pregnant women, women with young children. The course of criminal cases was stopped if the convicted person was entitled to a term of less than 1 year. In total, 260 people were released under this decree. Those fit for service were drafted into the Red Army.

November 4, 1941 and. O. The USSR Prosecutor Safonov suggested that the Central Committee of the All-Union Communist Party of Bolsheviks extend the decree to areas not declared under martial law. The prosecutor noted that there were many people of military age among the prisoners, and they asked to be released in order to join the ranks of the Soviet Army. There were especially many applications from convicted military men who were convicted for minor offenses. November 24, 1941 PVS extended the decree to the rear areas.

In February 1942, the Soviet government was informed that out of the 350 people to be released, more than 279 had been released. Of these, 82 people of military age were transferred to military registration and enlistment offices. Later this practice continued. So, in the report of the head of the Gulag Nasedkin to the head of the NKVD Beria dated August 14, 1944, it is reported that by decision of the State Defense Committee (GKO) in 1942-1943. 157 of those convicted of minor crimes were released ahead of schedule. They were included in the ranks of the Red Army.

Also, all those fit for military service after serving their sentence were also transferred to the Armed Forces. In just three years of the war, 975 thousand people were transferred from the Gulag to replenish the army. This practice continued until the end of the war.

Thousands of Polish and Czechoslovak citizens were also liberated from the Gulag camps, most of them sent to create national military units.

Speaking about the prisoners of the Gulag, who contributed to the Victory, we must also remember about the labor armies. The recruitment of the labor army in accordance with the GKO decree of January 10, 1942 took place at the expense of the repressed peoples: ethnic Germans and other peoples whose countries were at war with the USSR, and then other nationalities (Bulgarians, Kalmyks, Crimean Tatars, etc.). In total, over 400 thousand people were mobilized into the labor army.

In addition, the labor of tens of thousands of prisoners was used for the construction of railways, highways and airfields, in the mining and metallurgical, construction, forestry industries, etc.

Changes in the legal system


Before the war, under the current legislation, the loss of rights in relation to persons who had served the main measure of punishment prevented conscription into the army. The war changed everything.

On January 7, 1943, the Supreme Court (SC) of the USSR issued a resolution "On the procedure for the early removal of a loss of rights in relation to persons who have served the main measure of punishment and are subject to conscription or mobilization due to their age."

It was noted that in wartime conditions it is inappropriate to deprive the convicted and deprived of their rights of the opportunity to fulfill their military duty, who have served their sentences for crimes that do not pose an exceptional public danger. The courts received the right to prematurely remove the loss of rights from former convicts of military age.

On April 6, 1943, an order was issued by the People's Commissariat of Defense (NPO) to remove the loss of rights from men under 50 years of age who had served the main measure of punishment, and to draft them into the army. An exception was made only for former counter-revolutionaries and bandits. After the corresponding decision of the court, the former "defeatists" were put on military records and drafted into the army.

The myth of the penal-prisoners


During the war, they actively used the postponement of the execution of the sentence under Article 28 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR. The sentence, which sentenced the serviceman to imprisonment, could be deferred until the end of hostilities. And the military went to the army. During the war years, a decree of the PVS of the USSR was in force on the removal of a criminal record from persons with a valid deferment who proved themselves to be "staunch defenders of the Motherland."

The Red Army soldiers with a delay were in the troops on an equal footing with those with no criminal record. Only after the order of the NPO No. 323 of October 16, 1942, all military personnel convicted by military tribunals with the use of a suspended sentence were to be sent to penal units for a period of 1-3 months.

Thus, it was not prisoners who were taken into the Red Army, as falsely testified in the liberal myth, but already free people who were not deprived of their rights.

Free citizens of the USSR fought, not criminal prisoners. The former prisoners drafted into the army fought in the same units and formations as other conscripts and had the same rights. Many were awarded medals and orders.

The penal units created already during the war were also not staffed with criminals and prisoners. Guilty Red Army soldiers were sent to them, who could correct their crimes and misdeeds with “blood”.

The myth of penal battalions with prisoners from the GULAG, which is broadcast by movie hacks like the famous TV series “Penal Battalion” (filmed based on the novel of the same name by E. Volodarsky, directed by N. Dostal), was created in order to denigrate Soviet civilization and Stalin personally.
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  1. +5
    April 26 2023 05: 04
    Vladimir Vysotsky
    Everyone went to the front
    Now all the terms are over,
    And at the camp gate
    That are boarded up crosswise, -
    Caption: "Everyone went to the front."

    They will forgive us for our sins
    After all, we have such a people:
    If the homeland is in danger,
    So everyone go to the front.

    There for three years, if God saves,
    As in the camp - offset.
    Today we are on an equal footing with the VOKhRs -
    Everyone has gone to the front.

    At the head of Beryozkin -
    Oh and ambition, oh and show off!
    And the soul - crosswise boards,
    But he also went to the front.

    It was better - immediately to the rear of him:
    Only with us was he bold.
    The highest measure "awarded" him
    Tribunal for self-shooting.

    Well, we - we justified everything,
    We were rewarded later:
    Who are alive, those - with medals,
    And who are dead - with a cross.

    And other prisoners
    Let them read at the gate
    Our memory is glazed -
    Caption: "Everyone went to the front" ...
    1. +27
      April 26 2023 11: 52
      Well, how managers-PR managers-directors see Victory (who only shoot ads for dog food):
      It means they gather in one place - a nurse in a miniskirt, a political prisoner, a criminal prisoner, a priest. And in spite of everything, they begin to defeat the evil fascists. And the valiant NKVD helps the Nazis. And Stalin crap.
      Well, this set of the most selective lies is now the history of the Victory. And what? Budgets have been spent.
      1. +17
        April 26 2023 15: 40
        a set of the most selective lies - now the history of Victory

        Add here that the main character is played by a notorious Russophobe, on whom there is nowhere to put the seal of a Russophobe, Stalin is a complete clinical idiot with obvious signs of oligophrenia, the nurse is an actress, more like a cheap prostitute, the NKVDeshnik is an obvious maniac, with signs of degeneration with an obvious pathology of a professional killer on the face, etc. The set of performers is always classic. It differs only in the number of individual acting roles of the first and second plan and extras.
        1. -13
          April 26 2023 18: 08
          The main character is played by a Man with a Capital M, who takes two orphans and brings them up. And his personal views have nothing to do with the film. People are judged by their actions, and not by their ability to talk with the zombies
          1. +5
            April 27 2023 01: 49
            You wouldn’t scatter words, we have one deputy, either 2, or 3 orphans, in addition to his own, but it just didn’t get any better. this is incomprehensible.
          2. +2
            April 27 2023 08: 37
            The main character is played by a Man with a Capital M, who takes two orphans and brings them up. And his personal views have nothing to do with the film. People are judged by their actions, and not by their ability to talk with the zombies

            As a person, he is a good person, but easily influenced by others. I know him a little personally. He has such a friend, Alexander Marin, a useless murmuring actor with neurotic quirks, it was he who lured him to Canada to be his assistant.
          3. +7
            April 27 2023 15: 40
            Quote: AC130 Ganship
            The main character is played by a Man with a Capital M, who takes two orphans and brings them up. And his personal views have nothing to do with the film. People are judged by their actions, and not by their ability to talk with the zombies

            Wow! He took orphans! So what? Is this heroism? But what if our orphans are plague-ridden and they have to be bypassed by the tenth road? What is the feat?
          4. +8
            April 27 2023 22: 02
            The main character is played by a Man with a Capital M, who takes two orphans and brings them up. And his personal views have nothing to do with the film.

            Why is he publicly pouring mud on his homeland and its citizens? By the way, Western natives are distrustful of those who curse and curse the country in which they were born and from which they emigrated. The explanation is apparently simple - whoever betrays once, betrays him in the second.
        2. +7
          April 28 2023 12: 29
          Is there any point, in general, to discuss discussing some kind of "main character" if the film itself, already starting with the title, is a solid and opportunistic (and therefore intentional ...) lie? ..

          Penal battalions were formed at the fronts (one, to the front). And they were formed exclusively from officers who committed disciplinary offenses or crimes. The term of serving the sentence in the penal battalion was three months, or until he was wounded. After that, the punished officer was restored to his rank ...

          Penal companies were created under the combined arms armies. One for the army. And they were recruited from "fined" military personnel - foremen, sergeants, privates ...

          The disciplinary rights of the command staff in relation to subordinate "penalties" (as well as ranks - salaries) were a step higher than in the corresponding, "ordinary" combined arms units ...

          What is true is that they used "penalties" constantly in the most dangerous areas ... No prisoners convicted in a general criminal order (and not by military tribunals, just like military personnel ...) to penal battalions and companies, directly "from a civilian ", i.e. from prisons, they were not sent ...
          1. +2
            April 29 2023 15: 00
            Quote: ABC-schütze
            The term of serving the sentence in the penal battalion was three months

            Up to three months of hostilities. If a unit was assigned to the rear, then the countdown was temporarily stopped. The period of stay was from one to three months, depending on the article. For different crimes, different articles and different terms of punishment. , for a period of five to ten - 1 months. And the maximum - three months ..
      2. +2
        April 26 2023 15: 41
        I agree with you, the film is disgusting. But what about such facts as the well-known "bitch war" after the war, where some, who did not fight, legal thieves, slaughtered others who fought? Lawyers in those years had such a bunch of articles that they clearly did not pull on the weakly guilty. And the mentioned song of Vysotsky, who, although a child, saw the war, does not speak in favor of the arguments of the author of the article. I believe that the truth, as always, is somewhere in the middle, apparently there was enough of everything in that war ...
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      3. TIR
        +10
        April 26 2023 21: 43
        And not just this company wins, but the nurse once in a series sleeps with a German, after that the priest talks about God with the German and it turns out he is the same for us and the Germans, the political prisoner talks about how good life would be if we had a system like in Germany, the prisoner drinks schnapps with German nabruderschaft. This is the spirit in which we film. And I also forgot how they went on the attack with cuttings on machine guns
        1. 0
          10 July 2023 18: 53
          With cuttings from shovels, this is Mikhalkov's "great masterpiece" where the wounded man asked the nurse Mikhalkova to show her boobs.
    2. -4
      April 26 2023 21: 40
      The great poet and musician V. S. Vysotsky reflected the truth in his work. No conclusions of contemporaries, and even more so the comments of the Internet to him, the poet will never reach. Because the poet had the good fortune to communicate with those real heroes who went through the hell of the Great War.
  2. +21
    April 26 2023 05: 19
    Moreover, penalties battalions were intended for officers. And oddly enough, it was not penal officers who commanded the penal units! So the notorious criminals could not get into the penal battalion. In the penal company.... well, I don't know.. I don't know. But in the penal battalion - NIHT!
    1. +7
      April 26 2023 05: 30
      Quote: Region-25.rus
      And oddly enough, it was not penal officers who commanded the penal units!
      That's why it's a constant composition, not a variable one.
    2. +9
      April 26 2023 09: 42
      Soldiers were sent to the penal divisions, according to the sentence for crimes. But not the prisoners released from the camps
      1. +2
        April 26 2023 12: 38
        Soldiers were sent to the penal divisions, according to the sentence for crimes. But not the prisoners released from the camps

        That's it. The article vaguely interprets Order 323, it applied to ALL servicemen (including convicts).
        There it is:

        1. All servicemen convicted by military tribunals for military and other crimes with the application of a reprieve of the execution of the sentence until the end of the war (note 2 to article 28 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR), send to penal units of the army for a period of one to three months: Red Army soldiers and junior commanders - to penal companies, persons of command and command staff - in penal battalions.

        That is, any cook who stole meat from the boiler, now, in fact, did not receive a term with a delay, but was sent to a penal battalion.
        And it doesn't matter if he came to the war from the Gulag or from his village. hi
        1. +1
          April 27 2023 21: 57
          How could a cook who was clearly not a commander be sent to a penal battalion? In the penal company only. You yourself gave a quote from which it is clear who was sent to the penal battalion, and who to the penal company.
          1. 0
            April 28 2023 21: 41
            You're right...

            In addition, in the above quote, we are not talking about "all" servicemen, but about all CONDEMNED (moreover, by MILITARY tribunals ...) servicemen ...

            As for the so-called. "zeks" and other "prisoners of the Gulag" who were serving juice under common criminal articles, then it was not the military tribunals that determined the "terms" for them. And from them they could form the rank and file of at least whole units. But, according to anyone, these will not be "penal units" (battalions at the fronts, or companies at the armies), but quite ordinary combined arms units. Let us also clarify that the penal battalions were at the disposal of the military councils of the fronts, and the penal companies, respectively, were the Armed Forces of the armies that made specific decisions on the use of penal battalions or companies, in a specific period and in a specific area ...
      2. +4
        April 26 2023 15: 48
        Soldiers were sent to penal units on conviction for crimes. But only no prisoners released from the camps

        A bit of history.
        During the battle for the Arctic. Due to a shortage of personnel in August-September 1941, Admiral Arseny Golovko ordered the release of criminals from the camps and send them all to the front. 7650 people were released. The criminals fought excellently as part of the 1st Polar Division.
        1. +2
          April 28 2023 21: 44
          And what is remarkable, this division was not any "penalty" in its status. And it didn’t become one even after replenishing it with the contingent you mentioned ...
    3. +1
      1 May 2023 16: 16
      My grandfather went missing in 1942 near Stalingrad, his brother was convicted on a donus in 1939 and at the front he was fined bate.
  3. +17
    April 26 2023 06: 10
    Serebryanov and Volodarsky stood side by side in two opposite directions. These are wilms "Bayazet" and "Shtafbat"
    After "Bayazet" Serebryakovsky Karabanov, I considered the standard of the Russian soul in an officer, and I considered Serebryakov himself a great Russian actor. Volodarsky, when he wrote the script "Bayazet"
    the conscience was enough to raise the spirit of the example of the courage of Russian soldiers so high
    In the "Penal Battalion" Volodarsky lost his conscience. The officers there are afraid of special officers, the special officers are animals there, criminals and the battalion itself are the only support of the front there, the Germans are humanists there who are ready to drink and eat along with the Soviet troops, and the Soviet ones are ready to rape girls ... Even in these films, two Nazarovs stood side by side. I admired the first soldier Nazarov in Bayazet, but I did not believe the second priest Nazarov in Shtrfbat. And how he looked at the water. Nazarov, who played a soldier in Bayazet, turned out to be a patriot supporting the SVO in life, and Nazarov, who played a priest in Bayazet, turned out to be a traitor in life who shits on Russia and fled abroad
    1. +11
      April 26 2023 08: 19
      After "Bayazet" Serebryakovsky Karabanov, I considered the standard of the Russian soul in an officer

      Lanovoy, too, except for the red officer of all sorts of heroes, played both scoundrels and fascists ... and what of it.
      These are actors - what they give, they must play: either Yorick, or his skull. laughing
      1. +8
        April 26 2023 09: 45
        Lanovoy remained a normal person and a wonderful actor, but Serebryakov, no
        1. +12
          April 26 2023 12: 28
          Lanovoy remained a normal person and a wonderful actor, but Serebryakov, no

          Gentlemen, comrades, let's distinguish an actor in a role from an actor in life.
          For some reason, for many Russians and before that, Soviet people, this merged.
          This led to a very sad phenomenon: actors, directors, labukhs and other actors decided that they were the true elite of society and had the right to teach people how they should live and what they should strive for.
          An artist is just a specialty, like a doctor, for example. And Dr. Mengele was known to be a very good doctor.

          There is one more point, but it is about screenwriters or directors. Very often making films "based on real events" they drastically distort reality. And they always have an excuse: "this is a work of art." In response, they need to ask a question, why did you distort reality in this direction, for what purpose, what did you want to tell the viewer. SO THIS IS THE FILM STRAFBAT EXACTLY SUCH. And him the goal is obvious - to denigrate the NKVD, Stalin, the party, the state of the USSR and the Soviet system in general. I think this discussion of the film can be closed.
          1. 0
            2 May 2023 13: 43
            I agree with you about "closing the discussion", but with a small and necessary clarification...

            Dr. Mengele, mentioned by you as a "good doctor", worked in a well-known "institution with barbed wire and towers" CLEARLY NOT BY SPECIALTY ...

            Those. clearly not engaged in the treatment of sick people. And he was engaged in crippling healthy people. And deliberately...
        2. TIR
          +1
          April 26 2023 21: 46
          Serebryakov got used to the role so much that he even believed that the whole film was true. And so he went down. As a result, the country and people were poured with slop
      2. +4
        April 26 2023 15: 25
        Quote: Slavutich
        These are actors - what they give, they must play: either Yorick, or his skull.

        So it is true, but Nazarov was free to refuse the role of a priest in the "Penal Battalion", like Serebryakov. Didn't they realize that their heroes were deceitful? Whichever way you look at them.
        1. 0
          April 27 2023 08: 38
          And there is only one solution - loot. You can sell your soul to the devil for good money.
        2. 0
          10 July 2023 19: 03
          I beg you, they are hypocrites. They also include Gusev, who played an officer of the Red Army who, with the SS, saved German orphans from drunken comrades-in-arms who wanted to rape them.
    2. +7
      April 26 2023 09: 07
      And Serebryakov is still the type, how much "good" about Russia he gave out and everyone is filming him
    3. 0
      20 August 2023 18: 05
      Yes, I agree with everything. You are very right about who is who.
  4. +2
    April 26 2023 07: 52
    The first film reference to penal units of the Red Army for me was this film:
    "Gu-ga" is a two-part Soviet film drama based on the work of Maurice Simashko in 1989. Premiere - April 1990.
    1. +9
      April 26 2023 08: 32
      Quote: hohol95
      The first film reference to penal units of the Red Army for me was this film:
      "Goo-ha"

      It aroused interest, since I first learned about such a film, I immediately alerted the year of film production, that is, perestroika frenzy.
      And, the anxious expectations fully justified themselves, not a film, but a spreading cranberry ....... cadet Boris hijacks a plane to make love with his girlfriend on a collective farm field .... they were caught by the evil Chekists, a penal battalion ..... , evil special officers, criminals ... and the like.
      In a word, goo...
    2. +1
      April 26 2023 11: 06
      I watched it in training, summer-autumn 1990. From the memorable - the scene when they lay in neutral and yelled "Goo-Ga".
  5. +2
    April 26 2023 08: 34
    Thousands of Polish and Czechoslovak citizens were also liberated from the Gulag camps, most of them sent to create national military units.

    This is completely off topic!

    Poles and Czechs were released, captured in the Wehrmacht and agreed to fight in the national units - in the People's Army and the Czechoslovak People's Army.
    These units were reinforced by 60% by the military personnel of the Red Army - Soviet Poles, Czechs, Ukrainians and Belarusians.

    A little-known fact, but during the years of the war and immediately after it, 391 Wehrmacht soldiers were released, of which:
    - approximately 21 French, British and Americans captured in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front and handed over to their governments;
    - approximately 195 seriously wounded soldiers of the Wehrmacht, unfit for reparations as a labor force;
    - approximately 176 and there are liberated Poles and Czechs.

    Another 69 Czechs and 000 Poles chose to serve their sentences in POW camps until 61.

    Thus, the total number of Czechs and Poles who fought in the Wehrmacht, SS troops and were captured by the Soviets is approximately 306.

    From here you can calculate the total number of Czechs and Poles who fought in the Wehrmacht:

    1.
    306 - the total number of Czechs and Poles who fought in the Wehrmacht, SS troops;
    3 - the total number of captured and capitulated soldiers of the Wehrmacht and SS troops;
    306 / 000 = 3 (177%) - their share in the Wehrmacht and SS troops.

    2.
    20 the total number of German and European citizens who fought in the Wehrmacht and the SS:
    0.0963 * 20 ~ 300.

    3.
    Therefore, it is not by chance that the figures of 630 Poles in the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front and 000 in the Wehrmacht on the Western Front are voiced. There is no exact information on the Czechs, but about a million.

    4.
    In the structure of prisoners of war, the Germans are in first place (16), Austrians are in second (093), Czechs are in third (about a million), Poles are in fourth place (000).
    These four nations out of twenty formed the basis of the Wehrmacht!

    5.
    The last question remains, why am I, a simple citizen of Russia, voicing these data, while the official authorities of the Russian Federation are modestly silent?
    It's time to announce who will have to fight soon!
    1. +3
      April 26 2023 13: 19
      The last question remains, why am I, a simple citizen of Russia, voicing these data, while the official authorities of the Russian Federation are modestly silent?
      It's time to announce who will have to fight soon!

      The question remains why write such an idiotic lie. For example, the number of captured Czechs and Slovaks in Soviet captivity amounted to 70 thousand people. Poles -60 thousand. Tell us now about the hundreds of thousands of prisoners of war Czechs, Slovaks and Poles in Anglo-American captivity.
      16 million captured Germans can only be counted if you stumble very high quality

      You and your kind will not fight with anyone, why this miserable pathos?
      1. +1
        April 26 2023 17: 42
        Quote: Engineer
        The question remains why write such an idiotic lie. For example, the number of captured Czechs and Slovaks in Soviet captivity amounted to 70 thousand people. Poles -60 thousand. Tell us now about the hundreds of thousands of prisoners of war Czechs, Slovaks and Poles in Anglo-American captivity.
        16 million captured Germans can only be counted if you stumble very high quality

        This is the total number of mobilized. Was it difficult to understand that there were no prisoners of war?
        1. -1
          April 26 2023 18: 27
          This is the total number of mobilized. Was it difficult to understand that there were no prisoners of war?

          What are you smoking? A friend is interested.
          1.
          306 000 - the total number of Czechs and Poles who fought in the Wehrmacht, SS troops;

          For some reason, the number of prisoners with the Polish campaign of the Red Army was calculated. Most of them have nothing to do with either the Wehrmacht or the SS.
          Further, this figure is arbitrarily increased by six times to estimate the total number of those who fought. 630+ 320 thousand drinkers + one million Czechs
          Therefore, it is not by chance that the figures in 630 000 Poles in the Wehrmacht in the East and 320 000 in the Wehrmacht on the Western Front. There is no exact information on the Czechs, but about million.

          And then all the prisoners of war are already enrolled in a crowd
          In the structure of prisoners of war Germans in first place (16), Austrians in second (093), Czechs in third (about a million), Poles in fourth place (000).


          This is not to mention the fact that a cursory search gives only 90 thousand Poles who fought on the Western Front
          1. 0
            April 26 2023 18: 58
            Quote: Engineer
            What are you smoking? A friend is interested.

            Your head is weak. Any adequate reader understood the essence of both my comment and calculations.!

            Quote: Engineer
            For some reason, the number of prisoners with the Polish campaign of the Red Army was calculated. Most of them have nothing to do with either the Wehrmacht or the SS.

            For a weak head - Wehrmacht soldiers of Polish and Czech nationality were released. When did the prisoners from the Polish campaign manage to visit the Wehrmacht? Did they pull into Anders' army?

            And 60% of the Army of Ludov and the Czech People's Army were soldiers of the Red Army. With what fright did they put them there in such numbers?

            Before you spout nonsense, get to the bottom of it!
            1. -1
              April 26 2023 19: 07
              Even worse
              I thought this was somehow justified.
              approximately 176 and there are liberated Poles and Czechs.

              But alas, also taken from the ceiling.

              And a million fighting Czechs is, of course, a cherry cake. You don’t even know that they didn’t fight either in the Wehrmacht or in the SS because they were considered unreliable. There homeopathic quantities were from people of mixed ancestry.
              1. 0
                April 26 2023 19: 34
                Quote: Engineer
                And a million fighting Czechs is, of course, a cherry cake. You don’t even know that they didn’t fight either in the Wehrmacht or in the SS because they were considered unreliable. There homeopathic quantities were from people of mixed ancestry.

                Again!
                Of the 20 citizens of Germany and European states mobilized into the Wehrmacht and SS troops, excluding 300 Soviet collaborators in the Wehrmacht (total number mobilized 900):
                - 16 German citizens;
                - 1 Austrian citizens;
                - approximately one million citizens of Czechoslovakia;
                - approximately 950 citizens of Poland;
                - Approximately 200 thousand citizens of France.
                Total, approximately 19.

                The remaining one and a half dozen European countries made up your "homeopathic amount":
                20 - 300 ~ 900.
                1. +2
                  April 26 2023 20: 23
                  One more time, one more time.

                  Citizens of Czechoslovakia are not by default Czechs and Slovaks.
                  The vast majority of citizens of pre-war Czechoslovakia who served in the Wehrmacht and the SS were Sudeten Germans. Naturally, even in this case there was no mention of a million, you will not be able to name a single authoritative source.
                  For comparison, the total number of citizens from the Czech territories who went to Germany is estimated at 4 million people.

                  The number of Poles proper in the Wehrmacht and the SS is estimated at 300 according to the lower limit, and 500 according to the upper one.

                  Poles and Czechs were released, captured in the Wehrmacht and agreed to fight in the national units - in the People's Army and the Czechoslovak People's Army.

                  The Czechoslovak People's Army was not made up of captured Czechs. It was recruited from Czech migrants in the USSR after the division of Czechoslovakia
                  It's even more fun with Ludova's army. It has nothing to do with prisoners of war, it is a rebel formation in the occupied territory


                  That's all you need to know about the subject.
                  1. 0
                    April 26 2023 21: 11
                    Quote: Engineer
                    The vast majority of citizens of pre-war Czechoslovakia who served in the Wehrmacht and the SS were Sudeten Germans. Naturally, even in this case there was no mention of a million, you will not be able to name a single authoritative source.

                    Why do I need authoritative sources if there is a structure of prisoners of war - both released and those who have served time!
                    Why do I need authoritative sources if there is a total number of mobilized!
                    Can you imagine the Law of Large Numbers? No, you can't imagine!

                    If among the prisoners of war of the Wehrmacht, Poles and Czechs accounted for 9.5%, then in the total number of mobilized they accounted for 9.5%, and in the total number of burials 9.5%, etc.
                    If you do not understand such elementary things, then it is better to keep silent.

                    And further.
                    I have listed four countries that entered the Third Reich. Do you know about this?
                    And I wrote about the citizens of these countries, and not specifically Poles, Czechs, Austrians and Germans. Did you get the gist?

                    And absolutely do not care that they were Polish, Czech, Austrian Volksdeutsche - they were citizens from these countries. So it's clearer, refined defender of the Poles and Czechs?
    2. 0
      April 27 2023 08: 10
      The army of Lyudov could not have been formed in the USSR in any way, because these are partisan detachments under the unified leadership of the Polish Communist Party in the occupied territories of the former Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which were then called the General Government of the Third Reich.
      1. 0
        April 27 2023 19: 59
        Quote: Grencer81
        The army of Lyudov could not have been formed in the USSR in any way, because these are partisan detachments under the unified leadership of the Polish Communist Party in the occupied territories of the former Second Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which were then called the General Government of the Third Reich.

        Not confused with the Home Army? These really fought in the occupied territories of Poland, first against the Wehrmacht, and then against the Red Army.
        1. 0
          9 March 2024 13: 33
          No! I didn’t confuse you! It was you, monsher ami, who confused the units of the Polish Army, which were formed in the USSR, with the partisan detachments of the Ludovo Army, which fought on the territory of the General Government.
    3. 0
      April 27 2023 22: 14
      Chekhov was not drafted into the Wehrmacht. From the territory of the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, only local ethnic Germans were drafted into the Wehrmacht. The Czechs served in the small number of State troops of the Protectorate. There were attempts, not very successful, to create Czech voluntary units of the Waffen-SS from ideological supporters of an alliance with the Germans. As for the Poles, there were several million Polish citizens of Germany serving in the Wehrmacht. Many of them were people of mixed German-Polish origin. The Poles of the General Government were not called up. Several articles on this topic were on VO. In general, in our statistics, they often wrote about captured "Czechoslovaks", who were actually Slovaks who served in the army of the Independent Slovak State. Plus, a certain number of Czech military men who previously served in the Czechoslovak army served in the army of this puppet state.
  6. -7
    April 26 2023 09: 14
    It’s also probably worth declaring that there were no penal companies or penal battalions .... The Fritz YES, and we have NINI ...... About special officers, I didn’t drink vodka with them, but the fact that they were seriously afraid - so don’t go to your grandmother .. Look for parallels in the present ..
  7. +6
    April 26 2023 09: 25
    All power to the Soviets!

    Culture in relation to the concept is secondary.

    There was the USSR. There was a concept of improving the welfare of all. There was one culture.
    There was a restructuring. Became the concept of increasing welfare for the individual. It became a different culture.

    To change the culture, you need to change the concept.
    1. +2
      April 26 2023 11: 41
      And here you are right, in those days we defended a common home, now only ours ...
  8. BAI
    +4
    April 26 2023 09: 43
    My father fought in the NKVD division, although he was never an NKVD officer. It’s just that the division was encircled 2 times, the first time 1 people left the encirclement, the second time (after replenishment and again to the front) - 1500. Therefore, only the name remained of the NKVD and it was replenished with ordinary conscripts and ordinary officers. But not just ordinary ones. Division of the NKVD !!! replenished with a special contingent - zk directly from the colonies. My father (commander of a mortar platoon, junior lieutenant) in the mortar platoon had 2 to 3000 personnel - ordinary conscripts and prisoners
    1. +1
      April 27 2023 22: 18
      Before getting into this division, these prisoners were legally released and were called up as having served their sentences. That is, they were already former convicts.
  9. 0
    April 26 2023 10: 21
    The penal units created already during the war were also not staffed with criminals,
    Excuse me, but if a person was CONVINCED under a CRIMINAL article for a military crime by a tribunal, then WHO is he?
    Separate assault battalions, that's who definitely wasn't staffed with criminals
    Order of the People's Commissar of Defense No.ORG / 2 / 1348
    Commander of the Moscow, Volga and Stalingrad Military Districts
    on the formation of separate assault rifle battalions
    1 1943 of August
    Copies:
    People’s Commissar of the Interior
    Head of the Main Political Directorate of the Red Army,
    Head of the Main Directorate of Personnel of the Red Army,
    the commander of the artillery of the Red Army,
    to the rear commander of the Red Army,
    Head of the Main Artillery Directorate of the Red Army,
    to the head of the financial department of the Red Army,
    Head of the organizational and accounting department of the Red Army

    In order to provide an opportunity for commanding and commanding personnel who have been in the territory occupied by the enemy for a long time and did not take part in partisan detachments, with arms in their hands to prove their allegiance to the Motherland, I order:
    1. Form by August 25 of this year from contingents of commanding officers held in special camps of the NKVD:
    The 1th and 2th separate assault battalions in the Moscow Military District,
    3th Separate Assault Rifle Battalion - in the Volga Military District,
    The 4th Separate Assault Rifle Battalion is in the Stalingrad Military District.
    The formation of battalions should be carried out according to state No. 04 / 331, with a number of 927 people each.
    Battalions are intended for use in the most active sectors of the front.
    2. To complete the formed assault battalions:
    a) the posts of commanders of battalions, deputy. political battalion commanders, chiefs of staff, company commanders - at the expense of the best, carefully selected and well-trained commanding personnel with combat experience;
    b) ordinary, junior commanding officers and the rest of commanding officers — at the expense of the middle and senior officers of special contingents located in the Lyubertsy, Podolsky, Ryazan and Coal special camps of the NKVD — for battalions formed in the Moscow Military District; Kalachevsky and Kotlubansky special camps of the NKVD - for the battalion formed in PrivO; Stalingrad, Belokalitvensky, Georgievsky special camps of the NKVD - for the battalion formed in the Stalingrad military district.
    The missing staff for the assault rifle battalion formed in the Volga Military District should be allocated from the Khanlar NKVD special camp at the request of the district headquarters to the organizational headquarters of the General Staff of the spacecraft.
    The appointment of both junior and middle commanding officers after careful selection of commanders from special contingents;
    c) carts, blacksmiths forging, tailors, shoemakers, cooks, drivers - at the expense of special contingents located in the Lyubertsy, Podolsky and Ryazan special camps of the NKVD - for battalions formed in the Moscow Military District; The Kalachev and Kotlubansky Special Camps of the NKVD - for the battalion formed in the Volga Military District, and the Stalingrad, Belokalitvensky, Georgievsky Special Camps of the NKVD - for the battalion formed in the Stalingrad Military District.
    3. The term of stay of personnel in separate assault rifle battalions shall be established for two months of participation in battles, either before being awarded an order for displayed valor in battle or before the first wound, after which the personnel, if there are good certifications, may be assigned to the appropriate field positions for commanding and commanding officers composition.
    4. All personnel appointed from the NKVD special camps should establish uniforms correspondingly to their positions in the assault battalion.
    5. To the personnel of battalions to establish salaries of the contents on the positions occupied in a battalion.
    6. Families of personnel assigned to battalions from the special camps of the NKVD should be given all the rights and advantages defined by law for families of commanding officers.
    7. By 5.8.1943, the chiefs of the main directorates of non-profit organizations should provide the formed battalions with the necessary personnel, equipment, weapons, property, and transport.
    8. To inform about the performance.

    People's Commissar of Defense
    Marshal of the Soviet Union I. Stalin
    TsAMO. F.Z. OP.11566. D. 13. L. 210–212.
    1. +1
      April 26 2023 14: 27
      Excuse me, but if a person was CONVINCED under a CRIMINAL article for a military crime by a tribunal, then WHO is he?
      Apparently, in the understanding of the author, criminals are citizens convicted not under Art. 58 and not for military or domestic crimes.
      Those. thieves, robbers, murderers, hooligans, etc.
    2. +1
      April 26 2023 17: 10
      As the chief specialist of the Center for Educational Work of the Federal Penitentiary Service Larisa Pertli writes in her scientific article, in total, until May 1945, 1,2 million prisoners were drafted into the Red Army.
      It would be a mistake to think that this is a continuation of the "Penal Battalions" theme. It's a completely different story. Penal battalions were created at the front and servicemen from the active army who committed various crimes (real or imaginary) were sent there. A very small part of the mobilized prisoners fell into such specific formations. Basically, the convicts, who wished to atone for their guilt with blood, replenished ordinary units and often showed themselves to be excellent fighters. A textbook example is Alexander Matrosov, who at the cost of his life opened the way for the advancing fellow soldiers.
      1. +2
        April 26 2023 17: 33
        Textbook example - Alexander Matrosov

        Didn't he go to the front after serving his sentence?
        1. +1
          April 26 2023 18: 06
          Didn't he go to the front after serving his sentence?

          No. The validity of the last 2 article 192a of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR A. Matrosov was closed only on October 26, 1942, after his voluntary admission to the Red Army
          Alexander Matveevich Matrosov was repeatedly convicted. First in 1938. under article 162 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR "Secret theft of another's property (theft)". The teenager was delivered to the regime colony of the village of Ivanovka, Ulyanovsk district, Ulyanovsk region, on February 7, 1938. After graduating from school in the Ivanovo orphanage, in 1939 Matrosov was sent to Kuibyshev to work as a molder at plant No. 9 (car repair plant), but he soon escaped from there. On October 8, 1940, the people's court of the 3rd section of the Frunzensky district of the city of Saratov convicted Matrosov under part 2 of article 192a of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR and sentenced him to two years in prison. He was found guilty of continuing to stay in the city despite the signed letter he had signed to leave Saratov at 24 o'clock. Matrosov was sent to the Ufa children's labor colony No. 2 under the NKVD of the USSR, where he arrived on April 21, 1941. At the end of April 1941, a group of juvenile prisoners preparing for a group escape (about 50 people, including Matrosov) was discovered in the colony, only the organizer was convicted. He worked as an apprentice locksmith until March 5, 1942. After the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the factory of the colony began to produce defense products (special closures). On March 15, 1942, he was appointed a voluntary assistant to an educator and elected chairman of the central conflict commission of the colony. According to the study of the Ufa historian Airat Bagautdinov, Alexander Matrosov was called up by the Kirov RVC in Ufa on October 26, 1942 from the colony as having expressed a desire to protect the Motherland and having reached the age of majority. Sailors arrived in the unit, served in the 2nd separate rifle battalion (according to other sources in the 1st company of the 3rd battalion) of the 91st separate Siberian volunteer brigade named after I.V. Stalin (later the 254th Guards Rifle Regiment 56 XNUMXst Guards Rifle Division, Kalinin Front).
          1. 0
            April 27 2023 22: 25
            By the way, in those days the status of corrective labor colonies and juvenile colonies was very different from the status of corrective labor camps, as well as the regime in them. In the colonies, as a rule, there were those who had a term of up to three years.
      2. 0
        April 27 2023 10: 56
        You dragged Matrosov out of place, if only because there is no reliable information about his pre-war past and there is too much misinformation about him
      3. 0
        April 27 2023 11: 19
        A penal battalion should be distinguished from an assault battalion. There were 65 penal battalions and 29 separate assault rifle battalions (officers).
        Additional information: According to the "Order of the People's Commissar of Defense No. ORG / 2/1348", from August 1943, the formation of separate assault rifle battalions began
        Separate assault rifle (fighter) battalions or "Officer assault battalions" were formed exclusively from officers. The personnel were called "ordinary-officers". These battalions were formed by 90% of the officers of the Red Army, the NKVD troops (and border troops), who had previously been surrounded, captured or passively staying in the occupied territory.

        Officer assault battalions took the fortress on Mount Gellert in Budapest. The basis of these battalions were officers, such as private (lieutenant) Goncharov S.D. captured in the 42nd on the Southwestern Front and released from a concentration camp. Here is his award

      4. 0
        April 27 2023 22: 21
        Penal battalions for commanders (officers), privates and junior officers (sergeants) were sent to penal companies.
  10. +2
    April 26 2023 10: 53
    In the West, too, "masterpieces" are filmed about German penalty boxes. "Wheels of Fear" for example, based on the book by the Danish writer Sven Hassel "Legion of the Doomed". I didn't watch the movie, but I read reviews and read the book, or rather books. He wrote there more than one about the penalty box in the Wehrmacht, where he himself served, according to his statement. That's where the trash, waste, natural science fiction - eyes climb on their foreheads from what they read, so it was bombed there.
  11. +12
    April 26 2023 11: 18
    Officer of the penal company Golbraikh E.A. about "Penal Battalion": "This series has only one advantage - a wonderful play of actors. Everything else is complete nonsense, sorry for the harsh expression. Let's dwell on the main thing.
    The officers who retained their military ranks by the verdict of the tribunal were never sent to penal companies. Only in officer penal battalions.
    Criminals were never sent to serve their sentences in officer penal battalions - only in penal companies, like privates and sergeants.
    Political prisoners have never been sent to penal units...
    Penal companies have never been located in settlements. And outside the combat situation, they remained in the field, in trenches and dugouts. The contact of this difficult contingent with the civilian population is fraught with unpredictable consequences.
    Never, even after a minor injury and regardless of the time spent in the penal unit, no one was sent to the penalty box again. The slightest scratch - has already "redeemed with blood."
    None of the penalty boxers has ever addressed the authorities with the word "citizen". Only "comrade". And they didn’t poke a soldier - “penalty box”, everyone was “comrades”. Do not forget that the charter of the Red Army extended to penal units.
    Punishers have never been appointed commanders of penal units! This is no longer a bluff, but an irresponsible lie. The commander of a penal battalion, as a rule, is a lieutenant colonel, and the commanders of his five companies - three rifle, machine gun and mortar companies - are career officers, not penalized. Of the penal officers, only platoon commanders are appointed.
    1. 0
      April 27 2023 22: 29
      By the way, if within three months the penal was not wounded or did not accomplish a feat, but simply fought and survived, he still went back to his unit. I'm talking about the myth of mandatory atonement by blood.
  12. -2
    April 26 2023 14: 31
    was created to denigrate Soviet civilization
    laughing fool
    1. Alf
      0
      April 26 2023 18: 58
      Quote: Lewww
      was created to denigrate Soviet civilization
      laughing fool

      fool
  13. -1
    April 26 2023 14: 57
    So the Red Army took non-prisoners, as perjured in the liberal myth, but already free people who are not deprived of their rights.
    the author did not fully understand the topic.
    Citizens, in relation to the cat. applied Note 2 to Article 28 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR since the beginning of 1944, they were taken into the army from places of detention, i.e. prisoners from prisons (except for persons to whom a preventive measure not related to detention was applied)
    https://bdsa.ru/dokumenti/prikazi-nko-1944/2-28/
  14. +6
    April 26 2023 15: 36
    According to our new cinematography, the war was won in spite of... In spite of the evil Stalin, the terrible NKVD officers, the ruthless SMERSH. And only convicts and retired in disgrace fought. Evil is missing.
  15. +3
    April 26 2023 15: 39
    Capitalism persistently distorts and destroys the memory of the best period in the history of civilization: socialism
  16. +4
    April 26 2023 17: 21
    The filmmaker, to put it mildly, is delusional, having nothing to do with reality. I don't understand what can be discussed there.
  17. -1
    April 26 2023 19: 20
    The myth of penal battalions with prisoners from the GULAG, which is broadcast by movie hacks like the famous series "Penal Battalion"

    I remember that a penal company with prisoners (as well as a reconnaissance company) was commanded by Senior Lieutenant Volodya Sharapov, he gained skills in thieves' jargon from them, which helped him later infiltrate the Black Cat gang and bring it to clean water.
    ... he joked all the time, tried to insert some anecdotes into the conversation, the first one himself laughed at them and, choosing me as a newcomer and certainly even less experienced than himself, asked:
    - Do you use a hair dryer?
    And I commanded a penal company and saw such urkagans that Vekshin probably never dreamed of, and therefore I was fluent in thieves' jargon.
    1. 0
      April 27 2023 02: 04
      Well, Sharapov in the penal company could deal with convicts sent there for redemption from ordinary units, you must admit that the rich biography of representatives of this kind of contingent was quite conducive to commit crimes already in the army environment, it would be interesting to look at statistics what percentage of criminals, after being sent to front, was in the penalty box.
      1. +1
        April 27 2023 10: 59
        Well, Sharapov in the penal company could deal with convicts
        funny to read - discussing a fictional character like a real person laughing
  18. +4
    April 26 2023 20: 55
    So many comments. And different comments...
    I am grateful to the country in which I was born: the USSR. And to this day, they don’t shoot at the city where I live.

    What would you do if you were at 41 or 42 and you have to force yourself to get up and run forward, shoot, yell for courage? Don't know. Maybe he would die of fear. Maybe he messed himself up, but he ran forward and took revenge for his fear, and not for the idea. And maybe it would turn out to be ideological. But this is unlikely. I don't believe in miracles.

    You may or may not like the movie.
    It, this movie, has already been filmed. Already shown.
    And let's not condemn the cinema, but discuss ""if I were there."
  19. +5
    April 26 2023 22: 41
    Yeah, this is from the "Saboteur" series, according to which it turns out that the most dangerous thing for the scouts was not the Nazis, but the return from behind the front line. By this time, all the surrounding special officers were gathering and looking for a reason to shoot these scouts ..
  20. 0
    April 27 2023 08: 37
    Talking about Gulag prisoners
    when such an article is written, I would like the author to understand the topic
    firstly, the abbreviation of this institution is spelled differently - Gulag
    secondly, there were not and could not be ANY prisoners in the Gulag, THIS IS THE MAIN DEPARTMENT
    1. +1
      April 27 2023 22: 39
      You can write "in the Gulag system."
  21. +4
    April 27 2023 08: 41
    I think it's time to give a legal assessment of the "works" of Solzhenitsyn. A complete lie.
  22. 0
    April 27 2023 10: 03
    such myths are cherished and cherished by those for whom the sun is brighter in the west, the water is tastier and everything is better.
    and Solzhenitskin began this whole rotational campaign.
  23. +1
    April 27 2023 10: 55
    Grandfather, one of the grandmother's village, spoke about the penal company in which he ended up ... According to his stories, at the time of his stay in this unit, there were about a third of the former criminals. He described the reasons for their being there as follows: some for greyhounds, some for fights with officers, well, someone “tried” something or already stole property (like hands remember, head turns off). And about directly from the zone, he didn’t talk about such people. Uncle Vasya spent the full term in the penalty box, there were no injuries. Yes ... and he said that during these months he picked up jargon from the former.
    1. +1
      April 27 2023 22: 41
      Is it three months full time? This was the rule, if there were no injuries or heroic deeds.
  24. -4
    April 27 2023 14: 28
    And I like the movie "Shtrafbat". I don't see any blackening. Quite a decent movie.
  25. -2
    April 28 2023 22: 31
    Since when have they allowed Samsonov, who has soiled his common name, to stick his dirty hands into articles about the Second World War? About the USSR? About Stalin?
  26. 0
    3 May 2023 21: 12
    The Stalinists say that there were no repressions, Khrushchev invented everything with Solzhenitsyn, and here it turns out, the Gulag and hundreds of thousands of prisoners. And what's with the feature film? Is it the main thing that the prisoners are fighting? There, the fates of seemingly broken people who, it turns out, can remain human under such conditions and demonstrate miracles of heroism. And the bloody ghoul Stalin will still receive his share in history when the slaves he raised die out.
  27. 0
    10 July 2023 07: 29
    Why is this shit constantly played on central channels??? To drive this bastard got out of the profession.
  28. 0
    13 October 2023 14: 17
    Lately, they've been making speculations about the Second World War again, seasoning them with a little statistics and a little quotes. This does not make them true. And on both sides. Some argue that Stalin was a ghoul and this is true, others that he was a savior and this is also true. Let's honor the eyewitnesses. As a child, I read the novel “Take Alive” by Vladimir Karpov, a front-line intelligence officer who ended up in a penal battalion as a result of denunciation and received a Hero of the Soviet Union! Highly recommend
  29. 0
    14 October 2023 17: 42
    The very title of the film “Penal Battalion” is already a lie. According to the resolution of the NGO, officers were sent to penal battalions by court decision to atone for their guilt. If they were wounded or their term of stay expired, they were released, their rank and position were restored, and their awards were returned. Then they were sent to a unit or a separate regiment of the reserve personnel of the front. Regarding former prisoners, my dad commanded a reconnaissance company, and he had former prisoners. Two of them became heroes of the Soviet Union. During the liquidation of the Chernobyl accident, out of 156 personnel, 7 were former prisoners. These are the same people as everyone else with different destinies. I think that someday they will make films about the fates of officers of the Soviet Army who, during the 30-year period of timelessness, remained faithful to both the Oath and Duty.