The ratio of artillery forces of the USSR and Germany on June 22, 1941

On the eve of World War II, despite the fact that Germany was largely disarmed as a result of World War I, artillery continued to be developed and produced there in the 20s. Germany's industrial power was largely preserved despite the defeat in the First World War.

The Soviet Union after the October Revolution, with the secession of Poland and the Baltic states, lost some of the already relatively weak industrial potential that the Russian Empire had. After the Civil War, only 2400 artillery pieces remained in service with the Red Army, moreover, samples that were outdated at that time: 22-mm howitzers of German and French development in 1909 and 1910. The main part of the artillery pieces of the Soviet Army consisted of "three-inch" - 76-mm cannons of the 1902 model, which proved themselves quite well at the beginning of the First World War, but did not meet the requirements of the end of this armed conflict.

Soviet artillery is a product of the industrialization carried out, under the conditions of which, according to the results of the first five-year plan, 17 thousand guns were fired, and by the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet Army possessed 67 thousand artillery pieces, which completely refutes the myth that the USSR entered the war on the reserves of the tsarist army. army.

As of the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the USSR and Germany had approximately the same amount of anti-tank artillery, however, German artillery, reinforced with anti-tank rifles, was able to hit largely obsolete Soviet Tanks - newly developed combat vehicles capable of withstanding a direct hit by an artillery shell accounted for only 8 percent of the entire fleet of armored vehicles.

In addition, Germany had some qualitative advantage with its regimental guns. As for divisional artillery, the Soviet new guns of this type were able to successfully withstand tanks. The Wehrmacht was armed with only captured French divisional guns.

Thus, the USSR had conditional parity in artillery with Germany, achieved thanks to the industrialization carried out in the prewar years.

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[antivirus]

Iron is rubbish.
Everything in total matters.
Chemistry.
Training.
Tsvetmet.
Transport.
Education.
General culture.
The advantages were for the West / Germany /. And now it is.
In addition to the yachts of the heroes of market reforms

[bayard]

Quote: antivirus

The advantages were for the West / Germany /

That's right - and the fleet of artillery systems was newer and more perfect, and there was more ammunition for them, and the artillery of their coalition allies was at the disposal of the enemy. But by the middle of the war, the balance of our forces turned in the opposite direction. The industry created on the eve of the war pulled out and pulled out the entire power of the military-industrial complex of Europe.
And there was also lend-lease, through which explosives and propellant for ammunition, non-ferrous metals, and heavy trucks came to us.
Education ?
Yes , Germany was the most educated country with the highest quality of education . And in the first half of the 20th century, about 80% of all patents for inventions in the World (!) belonged to Germany and its citizens.
But already in the early 60s, no one doubted that the best education system and the level of our education were the best in the world. This conclusion was made by a commission of American scientists (up to 200 people) sent by John Kennedy to the USSR after we launched the first satellite and the first man into space.
We learned very quickly. Especially in War.
And now we are learning.
And our ammunition output has been increased by an order of magnitude (not the limit). And precision-guided munitions by two orders of magnitude. And attack drones are being produced at an accelerated pace. And tanks, and infantry fighting vehicles, and MLRS, and artillery systems.
And there is enough money for everything ... no matter how surprising it is.
And the oligarchs sit QUIETLY - like mice under the bench ... those that have not yet run away.

Quote: antivirus

The advantages were still behind the West / Germany /.

And who won the victory?
Or was the Soviet army on the streets of Berlin, Vienna and Prague inferior in some way ... to the German, British or American?
Any process (and war is a process) is evaluated by the result. Do you remember the result? And the fact that we gained our advantage in artillery, tanks, aviation, the amount of ammunition, the quality of planning strategic operations and the quality of personnel during the most difficult war, at enterprises evacuated beyond the Urals and during the most difficult battles, speaks precisely in OUR favor. We are better and faster than our enemies LEARN.

[Konnick]

Thus, the USSR had conditional parity in artillery with Germany, achieved thanks to the industrialization carried out in the prewar years.

It is very primitive to draw conclusions from a comparison of the number of guns. Nobody canceled tactics, experience, as well as the presence of artillery tractors with places for calculations and trucks for transporting ammunition. And a well-established aerial reconnaissance system, in addition to aerial photography, the mere presence of direct radio communication between the air spotter and the batteries increased the effectiveness of the use of artillery at times.

[Doccor18]

Quote: Konnick

Nobody canceled tactics, experience, as well as the presence of artillery tractors with places for calculations and trucks for transporting ammunition. And a well-established aerial reconnaissance system, in addition to aerial photography, the mere presence of direct radio communication between the aircraft spotter and the batteries ...

And in this it was very far from "conditional parity" ...

[andron352]

And the Germans also had complete superiority in AIR (artillery instrumental reconnaissance). Unfortunately, our AIR was much weaker, so our artillery mainly hit squares throughout the war. Germans for specific purposes.

[Eug]

Iron is by no means a trifle, because all of the above ultimately affects the quality of iron and the damage inflicted on the enemy. Before the Great Patriotic War, the USSR did not have time to "raise" EVERYTHING, as a result, after the restoration, as the Stalinist inertia was exhausted, the development of the country slowed down somewhere, somewhere it went the wrong way ....

[sergej_84]

22-mm howitzers of German and French design in 1909 and 1910.

Obviously, the author had in mind the 122-mm howitzer of the 1910 model of the French company "Schneider" and the 122-mm howitzer of the 1909 model of the year, developed by the German weapons company "Krupp", which, being modernized, remained in service with the Red Army in 1941, moreover, were the most numerous in their class, since nothing of the kind was produced in the USSR until 1940, and only in 1940 did the production of 122-mm howitzers of the 1938 model (M-30) begin, of which 1545 were produced by the beginning of the war. For comparison, on that At the same time, there were 122 1910-mm howitzers of the 30/3395 model and approximately 900 122-mm howitzers of the 1909/37 model.

[sergej_84]

By the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the Soviet Army had 67 thousand artillery pieces, which completely refutes the myth that the USSR entered the war on the reserves of the tsarist army

This, without a detailed analysis, does not refute anything. If we consider in detail, then a very significant part of these 67 thousand will be just either "royal reserves" or samples developed on their basis.

[Illanatol]

Thus, the USSR had conditional parity in artillery with Germany, achieved thanks to the industrialization carried out in the prewar years.

It's silly to compare trunks. This is just part of the system. Communication, control, target designation, mobility (how to transport guns), ammunition supply, coordination of actions with other branches of the military.

Artillery by itself does not fight, as well as tanks and aircraft. The Armed Forces is a system, a kind of organism. So it is necessary to compare systems, organisms, and not individual organs and parts of the body.

[mat-vey]

Quote: Illanatol

It's stupid to compare trunks

Here it is ... because even the explosives with which the shells are equipped have a very strong effect on the "parity".

[Victor Tsenin]

Where is the number of Reich artillery, where is the ratio with the USSR?

I will add that there was no parity, but unsuccessful commanders, such as Pavlov and other unsuccessful decisions, did not allow this advantage to be fully realized by losing a mass of shells in known rear areas.

[dump22]

The USSR had conditional parity in artillery with Germany

The USSR had an advantage in artillery.
Of course, not as overwhelming as it was in aircraft and especially in tanks, but an advantage.
In order not to stick out this, usually in books they give the total number of artillery for the Germans, and for the USSR only the number in the "western districts".

[Illanatol]

Quote from: dump22

The USSR had an advantage in artillery.

There was no advantage. There were more trunks - but there was no advantage.
Artillery is not only guns. Guns need transport (the Germans have an advantage), intelligence and target designation (the Germans have an advantage), and of course - shells!
The USSR had more barrels, but the Germans had more shots made from them.
With tanks and planes - the picture is similar. The USSR had more combat aircraft, and the Germans had more sorties in the initial period (and later).
The plane on the ground is a target, nothing more ...

[zenion]

It is not clear why this is all about the war that the people of the USSR won. Not this war, and people for this government are slaves who will be sent anywhere and anytime. But nothing has ended yet, and already everywhere there is a cry that Russia has won, there is still a chicken in the nest, and the testicle is inside, and they are shouting cheers, we won. This is exactly how it was and will be when the countries of capitalism clash, where the people are matches and straw that needs to be burned.