"Msta" - the main artillery installation of the SVO

The self-propelled artillery mount "Msta" is capable of firing five shells at once, which simultaneously reach the target. It is noted that at present the share of fire destruction of the enemy by artillery is approaching 80 percent. "Msta" is the most effective and most massive artillery system in the Russian army. Despite the fact that "Msta" has been in service for more than three decades, according to experts, at present it has not yet fully revealed its potential.

After the start of the special operation in Ukraine, the volume of production of such artillery systems increased many times over. The fundamental differences of the newest modification of the Msta-M2 are more accurate, compared to previous models, guidance, increased guidance speed due to an improved automated guidance and fire control system, as well as improved habitability conditions, including even air conditioning.

High rate of fire is achieved thanks to the automatic loading conveyor system. In the densest mode, the Msta is capable of firing 10 rounds per minute. In the new version, the conveyor is combined with a computer that selects the types of ammunition necessary for specific tasks. "Msta" is able to work in remote mode, when shots are fired using the remote control.

"Msta" has a relatively thin layer of armor, which is due to the fact that this artillery system is designed to fire from closed positions. A twelve-kilogram powder charge accelerates a projectile fired from the Msta to 2900 km/h. In addition to the gunner's aiming system, a separate system of surveillance equipment, which includes machine gun and main sights, as well as the classic tank triplex, the place of the gun commander is also equipped.

The chassis of the Msta is represented by track rollers and tracks of the T-80 tank and a transmission and engine from the T-90. In addition, the undercarriage of the gun has reinforced shock absorbers, which is designed to compensate for the large mass and the gun barrel, which is much longer than that of the tank. With a significant mass, "Msta" can easily move along the highway at a speed of 60 km / h.

Comments

[Ohsetin]

this artillery system is designed for firing from closed positions.

"Closed positions" in the NWO are 80-100 km. from LBS?

Now for self-propelled guns it’s not even enough even for them to fire in continuous motion, because FPV (VPN ;-) a drone can catch on the march.

[Bogalex]

Now it’s not even enough for self-propelled guns even for them to fire in continuous motion

And what you need? So that they hit the enemy from the stratosphere?

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Bogalex

And what you need? So that they hit the enemy from the stratosphere?

So that they would be covered by anti-drone electronic warfare all the way, or that they themselves would have effective anti-drone weapons. For launching several FPV drones for 10K rubles. from shit and sticks against the multi-million dollar MSTA-S is not a problem at all now.

[Bogalex]

So that they would be covered by anti-drone electronic warfare all the way, or that they themselves would have effective anti-drone weapons. For launching several FPV drones for 10K rubles. from shit and sticks against the multi-million dollar MSTA-S is not a problem at all now.

...and take your mind off the computer games, get out of your chair and at least try to find out what the real world looks like. True, this is no longer about "Msta", but about you.

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Bogalex

at least try to find out what the real world looks like.

Well, definitely not as rosy as in articles on VO.

[Bad_gr]

The video mentioned MSTA-S under the NATO (155mm) caliber. It is called - 2S19M1 and its barrel length is 52 calibers

[Bogalex]

There is such a tool. It exists in a single copy, it was developed under an Indian, if I'm not mistaken, contract. The competition lost, although it has very good characteristics.
Why did you remember him?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Bogalex

Why did you remember him?

An article about MSTA-S, so I remembered. Another question is, if this MSTA has a 52-caliber barrel, then why is there a 49-caliber barrel on the conveyor in our caliber? It seems that they were going to install a long barrel during modernization, but now something is not heard about this.

[Bogalex]

Firstly, it is not only the length of the barrel, but also the volume of the charging chamber. The gun on the 2S19M1-155 has much more power compared to the regular 2A64 howitzer, so if you look closely at the photos, you will see that the turret is different there. That is, it is impossible to simply take and replace the gun - it is necessary to completely re-arrange the fighting compartment.
It is not known for certain how much the existing 2S19 base can withstand such executions, since there were no full-fledged tests for mileage, strength and stability when firing, etc., as is customary in the Ministry of Defense.
Secondly, the NATO gun is designed for NATO rounds - shells and modular propellant charges. No matter what anyone says, there is no production on the territory of the Russian Federation and it is very unlikely that it will be for completely objective reasons.

[Svetlana]

A self-propelled gun is just a gun, albeit self-propelled. This is not a tank fighting directly on the line of contact. Therefore, as a weapon, it shoots from equipped or not, from closed or not, positions. Shoots usually over the horizon. And unlike a tank, it has almost no armor.

And yes, you can catch it in the sight both in FPV, and from a satellite, and from an airplane, and by any other means of reconnaissance.

[Ohsetin]

Quote: Svetlana

This is not a tank fighting directly on the line of contact.

I have never compared it to a tank. Rather, with CAESAR. Oh, yes, we have few Krasnopoles and 40 km. they don't fly.

Quote: Svetlana

Shoots usually over the horizon.

And at that moment, a classic anti-battery radar fires at her and drones are launched there.

[nickname7]

FPV drones have a short range and will not reach closed positions.

[russianreactor]

It's fun to read the local audience of lamers. Here you come in, so the Ukrainians FPV flies in swarms and kobzda. You go into the profile chats of Ukrainian drone pilots and electronic warfare specialists, there are screams, groans and squeaks that the "trench electronic warfare" does not allow us to fly further than 300-500 meters from the LBS. According to the Ukrainians themselves, the "wedding drones" have only 3-4 months left to live at the front, and the parties will muffle the radio range of amateur transmission to hell, just as amateur GPS reception is already muffled almost everywhere.

You are confusing the 100 bucks craft and the Lancet. With ZALA, target acquisition and navigation is done by AI video analysis. As it flies towards the target, it checks what it sees against a 3D map of the area in memory. Communication there, although in amateur bands, is very short and with repetitions with a change in position. So most of the time drones and scouts and kamikazes work without operators. They are controlled by Artificial Intelligence. Since he does not need communication with the operator other than confirming the target, there is a very high stability of electronic warfare.

On Wikipedia, it was not in vain that topwar was banned for "lamer center" for the massive dissemination of false information, and not at all for a patriotic position.

[Diger]

Quote: author

"Msta" is the most effective and the most massive artillery system in the Russian army.

It is not the most massive in the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation.
Acacia dominates.
But effective, yes, because the cat cried coalitions

[dmi.pris1]

I didn’t understand. How can five shells be fired from a gun and they hit the target at the same time? Within a minute, most likely.

[ratfly]

Performs several successive shots with different elevation angles of the barrel, in such a way that the shells fall simultaneously on the target.

[Knell wardenheart]

The maximum elevation angle of the gun gives the longest trajectory (and the longest projectile flight time), the minimum angle gives the shortest and shortest time. And different charges of gunpowder give different initial speeds - as a result, several shells fired one after another (at different angles of fire and with different powder charges) arrive at the target at the same time, because they do not fly in a straight line, but in ballistics.
The essence of this is that 1 conditional trunk could create a gross shelling of a certain point (in other words, it could work like 5 trunks and then leave "into the sunset").
Of course, this is "in theory" because for this the machine (and barrel) must be in very good condition, and the crew is prepared Like a Pro. Well, yes, target designation. And a carload of shells for such epic volleys. And by the way, this may not be useful for every combat mission. But the option itself "in theory" is just chocolate.

[Bogalex]

How can five projectiles be fired from a gun and they hit the target at the same time?

Only in the fantasies of the authors of this statement
The possibility of implementing the "simultaneous fire raid" mode is based on the difference in the flight time of a projectile to the same range when using different charges.
For example, for a 2S3 self-propelled howitzer at a distance of 12 km, the projectile flies the following time:
full charge - 32 s (barrel elevation 18 °);
first charge - 21,5 s (barrel elevation 21,5 °);
second charge - 42 s (barrel elevation 31 °).
It is easy to guess that in order for all three projectiles to simultaneously reach the target, the howitzer must have an aimed rate of fire of 3 shots per 10 seconds, i.e. 18 rounds per minute, which is impossible for 2S3, for example.
For more modern systems, the same long-range 2S19, the parameters are slightly different and the rate of fire requirements, similar to the above example, are reduced to about 10 rounds per minute. "Msta-S" in the "M2" version provides such performance characteristics, but only for of three shots. Share at the same time five not a single modern gun is capable of hitting a target.

[abrakadabre]

Not a single modern gun is capable of firing five shells at a target at the same time.

In fairness ... If we take the technical rate of fire and automation, then ship installations like the AK-130 and the like should be capable of this.

[Bogalex]

If we take the technical rate of fire and automation, then ship installations like the AK-130 and the like should be capable of this

I agree, but these are still completely different shooting conditions

[Foul skeptic]

3 shots in 10 seconds

2 shots.
PS And why in 10 seconds?

[Bogalex]

2 shots.

You can do one. In the example I showed of calculating shots, there are three.

PS And why in 10 seconds?

Because 42-32=10.

[Foul skeptic]

In the example I showed of calculating shots, there are three.

One of which is already in the barrel. And the countdown starts from the moment it is shot. So it turns out that reloading in 10 seconds - 2 (second and third shots) - 12 shots per minute.

Because 42-32=10.

Why 42-32 and not 42-21?

[Diger]

I didn’t understand. How can a gun

Oh, it’s a pity there are no notifications for your “message” on the site ... you have to look at the history, it’s inconvenient
Already answered below. Briefly: firing mode "fire raid with one gun"

a mode in which the gun simultaneously fires up to ten shells at different angles and all of them simultaneously reach the target.

ASUNO is needed. MSTA-S can do, acacia - of course not.

[Bogalex]

Oh, it’s a pity there are no notifications for your “message” on the site ... you have to look at the history, it’s inconvenient

I fully support.

ASUNO is needed. MSTA-S can do, acacia - of course not.

The matter is far from being only in ASUNO, which, by the way, is on the modernized Acacias. At one time, the "simultaneous fire raid" mode was confirmed on the "Khost" with a completely manual loading process.
Yes, and "Msta-S" does not show such tricks in the entire range of ranges. Questions in the ballistics of a particular charge, the "calming" time of the gun after a shot, the ability to knock down the aiming during firing, the speed of the guidance drives, etc.
Well, to be completely honest, then the "simultaneous fire raid" mode, from my personal point of view, is self-indulgence and sabotage, window dressing for generals. In real combat work, there is little sense from him.

[acetophenone]

At the same time, in modern combat conditions, the maximum firing range of a self-propelled howitzer should be 40-45 km. This parameter is unattainable for the outdated ballistic solution used in Mste-S. Therefore, according to the plan for the rearmament of the Russian Armed Forces, by the beginning of 2020, the outdated 2S19 self-propelled howitzers had to be replaced with new self-propelled guns 2S35 "Coalition-SV"

But, as usual, something went wrong....

[Konstantin Shevchenko]

The old is full until the warehouses of the "Coalition" are shot off. And they already wrote that for the Coalition their own shells, from the rest art. systems of this caliber are not suitable.

[Konnick]

Again Soviet weapons, where is the "analogue" of the new Russia? But they began to officially celebrate Easter, and some say

One remembered the galoshes, and the other anti-communist calls the period of socialism obscurantism. Cheers forward to the caves to pray, suddenly it will help .... No one will help us, especially prayers, only we ourselves with science education and our own conscience.

[Svetlana]

It is not analogous in nuclear weapons and nuclear power and especially in the production of nuclear fuel. There are no analogues here. The productivity of equipment in the West is several times less. And if you read, rummage through the net, you will find that the Russians are to blame for the collapse and ruin of one of the nuclear projects of the West. And thank God, Chubais did not have time to ruin it.

And the rest .. they are rockets. Artillery is artillery. Small arms are also small arms in Africa

Yes, and the Russian soldier, there are no analogues either.

[Diger]

Quote: Svetlana

The performance of equipment in the West is several times less.

Rosatom accounts for 36% of the global market. Urenco accounts for about 30%, the French Orano - 14%, another 12% is occupied by companies from China.
"Razov" did not see

[Svetlana]

Look in the direction of cost, equipment performance. I'm talking about her. How much energy (electricity) is needed to produce, say, one kilo of enriched uranium.
..

[Konnick]

This is analogous in nuclear weapons and nuclear energy, and especially in the production of nuclear fuel.

Moreover, the nuclear shield was created in the Soviet Union

[Svetlana]

Created. Yes. But look at today's statistics.

[Konnick]

Created. Yes. But look at today's statistics.

There is such an expression

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

Here, some want to use nuclear weapons, but this is fraught with the fact that the nuclear bomb may end up in the hands of Bandera, since the ban on tests could affect the reliability of the nuclear charge.

[TermNachTer]

Damn, citizens, well, who writes like this: "a thin layer of armor"))) armor is not cream)))

[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Auto RU:

projectile fired from "Msta" up to 2900 km / h.

And it was weak to write normally -800 m / s? \ sincerely perplexed \ :)

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[Vadim Topal Pasha]

Quote from: dmi.pris1

I didn’t understand. How can five shells be fired from a gun and they hit the target at the same time? Within a minute, most likely.

"Learn materiel!" (WITH) :)

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